WEBVTT - The Pencil

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Invention, a production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to Invention. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Joe McCormick, and today we're going to be exploring the

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<v Speaker 1>invention of the pencil. Yes, like, like most of you,

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<v Speaker 1>we grew up with pencils, the good old fashioned wooden variety.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course you know the whole exercise of having

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<v Speaker 1>to keep the you know, keep them sharpened, dealing with brakes,

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with oh I always hey when they when the

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<v Speaker 1>eraser either rubs off or falls out, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>go to erase something and you just get that heart

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm getting the chills even thinking about it, of

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<v Speaker 1>the metal, of the of an eraserless pencil scraping against

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<v Speaker 1>your text. Or Another thing I hate is when you

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<v Speaker 1>get like an older pencil out of your grandmother's writing

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<v Speaker 1>desk and it has one of those petrified erasers that

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<v Speaker 1>does nothing, and you start chewing on it, only to

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<v Speaker 1>realize it has lead paint. Well I'm that chewing on

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<v Speaker 1>them is another issue altogether, But but I remember, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually being done, feeling done with the old fashioned wooden pencil,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I embraced the mechanical pencil instead. Wait wait, wait,

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<v Speaker 1>you mean done, like I'm never going to use a

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<v Speaker 1>wooden pencil again. Basically, yeah, it's like what mechanical pencils exist?

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<v Speaker 1>Goodbye wooden pencil I'm done with you and sharp to

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<v Speaker 1>pencils just no more, basically. And you know, also I

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<v Speaker 1>think at the time, being you know, essentially still a child,

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<v Speaker 1>like there was the gadget try of it right, Suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>oh I there's this plastic cylinder or I remember the

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<v Speaker 1>fancy ones. We had to like load the little uh

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<v Speaker 1>purchased lead um into the back of the pencil, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then you're having to click it to

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<v Speaker 1>get I mean, ultimately it's another headache, right because it

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<v Speaker 1>still breaks. You still have to reload it, you have

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<v Speaker 1>to dry. You end up dropping those little tiny leads

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. And I never liked mechanical pencils.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I always have had too heavy of a

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<v Speaker 1>hand when writing. I pressed down too hard, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the mechanical pencil lead would always just snap instantly. I

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<v Speaker 1>also as a heavy doodler. One of the things I

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<v Speaker 1>noticed is that with the mechanical pencil, you pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>always have the same um you can you're always making

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<v Speaker 1>the same thickness of line for the most part, tiny gauge. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>But with a pencil, is it dolls? You can? And

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's not dold, you can do more things

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<v Speaker 1>on the paper when you're drawing, you know, goblins and

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<v Speaker 1>castles in the margins of your notes. Yes, the cone

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<v Speaker 1>of graphite becomes something that you can angle to its

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<v Speaker 1>flat side if you want to, sort of like shade more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's much more versatile, I believe. Yeah. But but

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<v Speaker 1>either way, even as I grew tired of the mechanical pencil,

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<v Speaker 1>I fell into the arms of the word processor, which

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's a whole whole episode of invention onto itself.

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<v Speaker 1>The word processor is amazing. Uh. It it changed the

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<v Speaker 1>way I wrote. It defines the way I write today. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And so to a certain extent, I guess I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thought I was done with anything aside from you know,

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<v Speaker 1>occasional sharpie's and uh in markers uh and the you

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<v Speaker 1>know in pens for when you have to sign something,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, or to make a quick note. But otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, I don't need to consider pencils

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<v Speaker 1>ever again. But then two things happened first, um Um

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<v Speaker 1>ended up becoming a parent. So I have a child

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<v Speaker 1>who's going through elementary school, and suddenly pencils, old fashioned

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<v Speaker 1>pencils were flowing back into my household or having to

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<v Speaker 1>buy sharpeners, and I had to acknowledge, you know, given

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<v Speaker 1>his schooling and he's learning to write and spell and

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<v Speaker 1>doing a lot of physical homework in addition to digital homework. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the pencil, the old fashioned pencil is is really wonderful technology.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a question that comes from this, Actually, why

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<v Speaker 1>is it that we associate pencils with childhood and pens

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<v Speaker 1>with adulthood? Do you know what I mean? Yeah, well, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of it I think is is the the eraser

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of it, right, the idea that as you're learning,

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<v Speaker 1>you will be making mistakes and you will need to

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<v Speaker 1>correct things. And then adults make mistakes. Oh no, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but perhaps there is this idea as adults that we

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<v Speaker 1>don't make mistakes, We shouldn't be making mistakes, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when we make a stake, mistakes will just cross it out.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have We're not turning our work into a supervisor,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to a teacher anymore we can. These are

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<v Speaker 1>notes are mostly from my own purposes, and therefore I

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<v Speaker 1>can do what I want. With adults, it's more important

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<v Speaker 1>to have a constant reminder of your mistake, is a

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<v Speaker 1>big scratched out blot on the page steering back each

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<v Speaker 1>rather than something that you can erase all evidence of

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Of course, there are some of you movies saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there are erasable pins. I definitely remember. Irasable pins were horrible. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was never a huge fan of them, but but

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<v Speaker 1>they did exist. Just to acknowledge. But another thing that

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<v Speaker 1>is very recently happening happened to me really in the

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<v Speaker 1>last month is after like a five year period of

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<v Speaker 1>being a dungeon master in Dungeons and Dragons, I became

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<v Speaker 1>a player again under another dungeon master, so I had

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<v Speaker 1>my physical character sheet. Again. One can use a digital

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<v Speaker 1>character set, but I prefer the paper. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be writing down a bunch of stats and belongings,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, recording how much gold your character has, how

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<v Speaker 1>many experience points, their hit points, etcetera, it really behooves

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<v Speaker 1>you to have an erasable and erasable pencil. To have

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<v Speaker 1>a pencil at your disposal for this. So I find

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<v Speaker 1>myself using an old fashioned pencil once more and not

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<v Speaker 1>only appreciating it, but marveling at the at the perfection

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<v Speaker 1>of the device, of of this invention, of this writing

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<v Speaker 1>implement the pencil. I got asked, do you go like

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<v Speaker 1>full on pencil long thing with the eraser or you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a golf pencil game. I am not a

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<v Speaker 1>golf pencil person, know what I'm really digging right now. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>And this feels a little extravagant when I compare it

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<v Speaker 1>to my childhood experience with pencils pre sharpened Tai Conderoga

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<v Speaker 1>pencils that come in the box already sharpen. You just

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<v Speaker 1>take them out, they're ready to go. Uh. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to be just completely reckless, and I don't recommend this,

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<v Speaker 1>you could like basically pull one out right with it

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<v Speaker 1>until it breaks and then just throw it away. But

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<v Speaker 1>don't do that, obviously. But then that's why I think

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<v Speaker 1>it feels kind of extravagant, because I remember just using

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<v Speaker 1>pencils until they were just gone. Oh. I loved it. Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed getting a pencil down to the like

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<v Speaker 1>the one inch zone. I thought that was fun. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>where it had no no length on the pencil, no

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<v Speaker 1>eraser remaining where I remember the replacement erasers that you

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<v Speaker 1>put on the end of the pencil. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that fit over the end yea, which which really I

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<v Speaker 1>found did not work all that well. You'd go to

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<v Speaker 1>a race something, I'd just come off, but it would break. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but sometimes they look cool. They're brightly colored, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of end up. That was the thing too.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember just fetishizing writing implements as a child. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>did you ever have one of those gigantic novelty parallelogram erasers,

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<v Speaker 1>the standalone eraser that's parallelogram with the bent sides? Big,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I had one of I tend to

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<v Speaker 1>have tended to have the gum eraser like that dark brown,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just a just a try angular chunk. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you remember this one? Now? Would I would have that?

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<v Speaker 1>I know nothing of this. This is outside my world.

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<v Speaker 1>Well or nice, especially if you're if you're engaging in

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<v Speaker 1>you know, uh, pencil art. It's good to having like

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<v Speaker 1>a nice art eracer art gum eracer on the side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you might wonder, like, well, how much could actually

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<v Speaker 1>be out there about the pencil. You know, there's somebody,

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<v Speaker 1>a scholar of engineering, who wrote an entire book about

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<v Speaker 1>the history and invention of the pencil as like an

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<v Speaker 1>injury from an engineer's perspective. Uh. This is a book

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<v Speaker 1>by Henry Petrovski called The Pencil, A History of Design

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<v Speaker 1>and Circumstance, published by Alfred A. Knopf in And. Petrovsky

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<v Speaker 1>is an American engineer and a professor of civil engineering

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<v Speaker 1>at Duke University. I haven't finished reading this whole book yet.

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<v Speaker 1>It is a huge book about pencils, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>it is great, Yeah, in more than one sense. In

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<v Speaker 1>one sense, if you find any article online about the pencil,

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<v Speaker 1>this book is inevitably cited, like he is the authority

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<v Speaker 1>on pencils. And then, on the other hand, this is

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<v Speaker 1>not a dry read. It is so like he has

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<v Speaker 1>an incredible time just taking the pencil's history apart, contemplating

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<v Speaker 1>what it means, what it says about the human experience,

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<v Speaker 1>what it says about innovation and invention. It's extremely contemplative

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<v Speaker 1>and full of what almost feels like oratory. Often the

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<v Speaker 1>book feels like it is it is a speech that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been delivered in ancient rome about like the

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<v Speaker 1>virtues of engineering or or like there's almost a religious

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<v Speaker 1>flare to it, like, Hello, my name is Henry Petrovski,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would like to tell you about the pencil. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be a lot of fun. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>one reason it made me think, I'm not sure yet

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<v Speaker 1>whether this is going to be our one episode about

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<v Speaker 1>the pencil, or maybe we'll need to explore more, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we'll have to come back. Yeah, we'll have to keep

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<v Speaker 1>an eye on it, because as we explore the pencil,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to talk about and a number

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<v Speaker 1>of other writing implements, and we're going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the racer as well. So uh, let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and dive in. Generally, our our format on

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<v Speaker 1>the show is to begin with what came before. Obviously, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>pencils haven't been here forever. We know writing predates the pencil,

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<v Speaker 1>So so what does that world look like? All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just think for a second about writing implements. At

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<v Speaker 1>a very basic level, the act of writing or even

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<v Speaker 1>drawing requires you to either add to a given surface,

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<v Speaker 1>subtract from a given surface, or but just in some

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<v Speaker 1>way disrupt an existing layer or a pile of particles, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And the most basic tool to do this is of

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<v Speaker 1>course the human finger. So with the finger in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>you can even pull yours out and look at it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, Um, let's let's consider a few examples. So,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, the additive model. So if you were

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<v Speaker 1>to dab your finger in dye, in oil, in blood,

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<v Speaker 1>or smearit with ash and then trace a few lines

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<v Speaker 1>on a surface, that is uh, you know, additive writing

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<v Speaker 1>that you're adding to something to create the act. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>then there is subtractive Okay, If you use your fingernail

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<v Speaker 1>to scratch a few lines into a surface by removing

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<v Speaker 1>the outer layers such as you know, layers of bark

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<v Speaker 1>on a tree, a stone face, paint on a house,

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<v Speaker 1>or on a metal sign, that sort of thing, then

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<v Speaker 1>you were subtracting from it to make your mark. And

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<v Speaker 1>both of these methods of making marks go far back

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<v Speaker 1>into prehistory. Like if you look at a cave paintings

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<v Speaker 1>or petroglyphs, some of these are going to be additive,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know that they've created some kind of pigment

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<v Speaker 1>out of something and then painted that onto cave walls,

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<v Speaker 1>others are going to be subtractive where you see carvings

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<v Speaker 1>that are left behind his indentations, right, and then there's

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<v Speaker 1>this other area which is is kind of in between,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's just disruption. So if you were to trace

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<v Speaker 1>the same lines through, say the accumulated dust on a

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<v Speaker 1>given surface, or the accumulated ash following say, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>volcanic eruption, it's the perfect way to use your finger

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<v Speaker 1>as a writing implement. When you realize that you can

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<v Speaker 1>write wash me on the dusty back of somebody's car, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But even without surfaces like that, you know you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can write in the in the dirt or in

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<v Speaker 1>the sand with your finger. It's it's not quite subtraction

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<v Speaker 1>or addition. It is much more of a disruption of

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<v Speaker 1>the of what is before you. So that's just a

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<v Speaker 1>basic way to to look at it. But of course

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<v Speaker 1>humans didn't just create language, they also created tools. So

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<v Speaker 1>the finger is just the beginning. Let's consider a few

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<v Speaker 1>more examples of each of these forms of writing. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of stopping at the finger, will go beyond

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<v Speaker 1>the finger into instruments. Let's insert beyond the finger music. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>going beyond the finger so let's start with both the

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<v Speaker 1>subtractive and disruption sort of you know, putting together into

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<v Speaker 1>one category here. I think a fine example of this

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<v Speaker 1>is the use of a stylus to make marks in

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<v Speaker 1>a wax or clay tablet. And this was used from

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<v Speaker 1>ancient times well into the Middle Ages. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>probably it would be the oldest examples of like character

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<v Speaker 1>based writing we have, right, would be, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>from like ancient Mesopotamia using stylists to make indentations in

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<v Speaker 1>like a clay or wax surface. And for a more

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<v Speaker 1>modern example, I think you have some of these novelty

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<v Speaker 1>toys where you use a magnetic stylists to move around

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<v Speaker 1>iron filings. Yeah, you know, generally you're not maybe writing something,

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<v Speaker 1>you're more like putting a mustache of iron filings onto

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<v Speaker 1>a cartoon face. But but that I think also is

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<v Speaker 1>an example of what we're talking about here now. Speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of of of the stylists or or styles, which I

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<v Speaker 1>believe is the plural um, Petrovsky writes that iron styles

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<v Speaker 1>were known to be often misused in Roman times because

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things about a fine tipped metal object

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<v Speaker 1>is you can also use them to stab people. So uh.

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<v Speaker 1>So sometimes they were banned in favor of ivory or

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<v Speaker 1>other materials, which of course begs the question can't you

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<v Speaker 1>stab somebody with ivory? Obviously you can. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 1>can stab somebody with a number two pencil if it's

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<v Speaker 1>sharpened enough. And um, you know so I don't entirely

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<v Speaker 1>understand the prohibition there. Um. But lead was also a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly favored material at the time as well, and we

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<v Speaker 1>can come back to that. Yes, Now let's talk about

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<v Speaker 1>additive writing implements. The use of chalk and slate is

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<v Speaker 1>a great example, and that goes back at least to

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<v Speaker 1>like the eighth century. Uh. And the the use of

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<v Speaker 1>ink on a brush or in a pin is another

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<v Speaker 1>good example. The history of of the ink pen will

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<v Speaker 1>have to, I think, wait for another episode of this show,

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<v Speaker 1>but suffice to say that reed pens were used in

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<v Speaker 1>ancient Egypt five thousand years ago and are still used today.

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<v Speaker 1>In some places. Quills have been used for this purpose

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<v Speaker 1>as well as have metal nibs. The ink pin with

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<v Speaker 1>a reservoir dates back seemingly at least as far as

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth century CEU to northern Africa, and then of

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<v Speaker 1>course the pencil. The modern pencil that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>in this episode. Uh, this is additive as well, um,

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<v Speaker 1>and an additive method that uses a graphite cord length

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<v Speaker 1>of wood sharpened on one end and capped with a

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<v Speaker 1>rubber eraser on the other. Though of course sometimes you'll

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<v Speaker 1>still find pencils that are either uh not capped, whether

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<v Speaker 1>an eraser or capped with with just metal. Yeah, your

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<v Speaker 1>golf pencils not capped. Yeah, that's the the low rent version. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe we should take a break and the when we

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<v Speaker 1>come back, we can discuss the pencil in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>names and materials. All right, we're back, So let's start

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<v Speaker 1>with the name of this invention itself. Yes, So it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out the name of the pencil actually pre dates

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<v Speaker 1>what we would think of as a pencil, which is

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<v Speaker 1>this thing made of wood with or even you know,

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<v Speaker 1>mechanical pencil either way, with a letter, graphite core inside

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<v Speaker 1>the the eraser on the back. Things that were really

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<v Speaker 1>not much like that. We're called a pencil long before

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<v Speaker 1>this existed, that's right. According to Petroski, this refers to

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<v Speaker 1>the penicillum brush um, which this was the Latin name

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<v Speaker 1>for a writing instrument that consisted of a tuft of

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<v Speaker 1>animal hair that was inserted into a hollow read. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you can imagine, yeah, you have you have this

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<v Speaker 1>this tuft of animal hair that I think it's like

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<v Speaker 1>kind of curled and shaped, and then you insert that

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<v Speaker 1>through a hollowed out read, hollow read and then that

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<v Speaker 1>way you're holding the read on the outside, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the interior of it is this, uh, this animal hair. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So what you would have is a a long, solid

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<v Speaker 1>implement I believe it would be the same length or

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<v Speaker 1>so of a pencil of today. But then out the

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<v Speaker 1>end of it you would have a fine gathering of

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<v Speaker 1>animal hairs all clumped together by the opening at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the read. So what it would create is

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<v Speaker 1>this fine tipped little brush. Yeah. And and and to a

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<v Speaker 1>certain extent, it mind is one of various animal tails.

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<v Speaker 1>And in this we kind of get into the curious

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<v Speaker 1>history of the word, the name itself, and and also

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<v Speaker 1>I think we touched on the the euphemism treadmill that

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<v Speaker 1>we've discussed on stuff to blow your mind in the past.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Latin name stems from penaesulis, the for the

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<v Speaker 1>for brush, which is a diminutive form of the word

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<v Speaker 1>penis which is Latin for tail. So a pencil is

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<v Speaker 1>literally a little tale. Yes, And if you're wondering, I

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<v Speaker 1>did look it up. Was the word penis in Latin?

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<v Speaker 1>Did that actually ever mean penis like it does in

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<v Speaker 1>English today? Apparently sometimes it did, but originally what it

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<v Speaker 1>meant was tail, And then again through some like process

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<v Speaker 1>of euphemisms or whatever associations, it also came to me

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<v Speaker 1>and what it means in English today. So call it

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<v Speaker 1>what you will. Let's consider the particular strength of the

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<v Speaker 1>modern pencil based on what we've been talking about so far.

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<v Speaker 1>So first of all, it is portable. It is highly portable,

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<v Speaker 1>and I smudge roof to a very large degree at

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<v Speaker 1>least when you Yes, you can smudge pencil etchings. But

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<v Speaker 1>compare it to ink, compare it to a chalk on

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<v Speaker 1>a board. Uh, it's I think it's it's safe to

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<v Speaker 1>say that it's pretty smudge free. It's less messy than

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<v Speaker 1>most of these other forms of writing. It is erasable

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<v Speaker 1>on untreated paper, and uh, certainly today anyway, it is inexpensive.

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<v Speaker 1>People regularly treat the pencil like dirt. I'll walk my

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<v Speaker 1>son into school and they'll be like a pencil and

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<v Speaker 1>a mud puddle and um, and of course I've kind

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<v Speaker 1>of been broken by our disposable culture to where I

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<v Speaker 1>would just pass it by. He'll stop, He'll pick it

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<v Speaker 1>up out of the mud puddle and be like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a pencil. We should say this, And sometimes they

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, oh, I think you're right. Later, the

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<v Speaker 1>eracer looks pretty good on that one. It's it's even

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<v Speaker 1>still sharpened. Okay, let's dry it off. That's the sweetest

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<v Speaker 1>thing saving a pencil. Yeah, I mean, and I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with them now that I'm I'm forcing myself to respect

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<v Speaker 1>the pencil a lot more now by Roman times, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that Petroski uh points out that you have two

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<v Speaker 1>different uh threads of technology that would eventually unite to

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<v Speaker 1>become the pencil we have today, because in those times

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<v Speaker 1>we had the penicillum, the brush, the read with the

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<v Speaker 1>hair through it, and that that would sort of supply

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<v Speaker 1>the elements that you think of of like a long

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you can hold in your hand to write with.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rigid and it makes a dark, fine mark on

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<v Speaker 1>the page. And but the other thing he points out

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<v Speaker 1>is that at the time, lead was literally used as

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<v Speaker 1>a writing implement and this would have been real lead,

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<v Speaker 1>not the graphite of today. Uh. So, you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>are several reasons that lead would be useful as a

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<v Speaker 1>writing implement. Number one is very soft and so it

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<v Speaker 1>can rub off on a writing surface to easily leave

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<v Speaker 1>a mark. But that mark, if you were just like

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<v Speaker 1>holding a chunk of lead in your hand to write with,

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<v Speaker 1>the mark would probably not be very dark. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be kind of light colored, and it would not be uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and it would not necessarily be very permanent. Maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>could easily get rubbed off and also kind of be

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<v Speaker 1>hard to hold the chunk in your hand as you're writing.

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<v Speaker 1>So it seems like these two things could ultimately kind

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<v Speaker 1>of converged, right. Yeah, Now, a quick note on lead

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<v Speaker 1>for starters. There's an older episode of Stuff to Blow

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<v Speaker 1>your Mind our other podcast titled Cupids Laden Arrow, which

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<v Speaker 1>is about lead and about the history of lead and

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<v Speaker 1>how lead was used, and we get into a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Roman uses of lead and then as well. Another

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<v Speaker 1>thing to keep in mind is that graphite was a

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<v Speaker 1>long thought to be a form of lead and was

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes classified as such. Thus some of our confusion at

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<v Speaker 1>time regarding the lead in our pencil. Yeah, but but

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<v Speaker 1>there is a specific material reason why something like lead

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<v Speaker 1>would have been useful for writing, And again it's that

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<v Speaker 1>it's soft to the lead. The paper that you write

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<v Speaker 1>on is kind of like sand paper. It just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>scrapes it right off and leave some on there to

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<v Speaker 1>be your additive marking material. Absolutely, so, of course, graphite

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<v Speaker 1>or lead or charcoal, any of these things in and

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<v Speaker 1>of themselves can be used as a writing implement. You

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<v Speaker 1>could just have a chunk of of graphite in your hand,

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<v Speaker 1>but do you actually want to write with that? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want your hand to potentially cramp. That's something that

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<v Speaker 1>Petrusky touches on a number of times is that you

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<v Speaker 1>need a writing implement that is not too big or

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<v Speaker 1>too small, like if you had to write with a

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<v Speaker 1>golfing pencil all the time. Like a golfing pencil is

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<v Speaker 1>ideal because ultimately you're not writing, You're you're only gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be so verbose while you're keeping score during a golf game.

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<v Speaker 1>You just need to jot down a few numbers here

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<v Speaker 1>and there. There's no you know, introductory paragraph or a

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<v Speaker 1>self reflection essay. Only needs to be useful enough to cheat. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Another question is do you want that graphite or lead

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<v Speaker 1>all over your hand and your fingers and then potentially

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<v Speaker 1>all over your work surface while you're writing. Uh, Thus

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<v Speaker 1>the need to encase it in something much like the

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<v Speaker 1>read casing um of the the sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the earlier pencil, the penicillum that we discussed earlier. So

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<v Speaker 1>so there's that side of the advancement. The other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the advancement, of course, is that paper became increasingly cheaper,

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<v Speaker 1>and graphite then was an increasingly favored means of etching

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<v Speaker 1>on it, especially after a deposit of fine graphite was

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<v Speaker 1>an earth in Cumbria, England during the fifteen hundreds. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, in this region today you'll find the Derwent

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<v Speaker 1>Pencil Museum in what is now Kesswick. They have the

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<v Speaker 1>largest colored pencil in the world. That sounds like something

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<v Speaker 1>worth stopping on your road trip for right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>did note that they specify the largest colored pencil in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, which makes me think there must be an

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<v Speaker 1>even larger just graphite pencil somewhere in the world, but

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<v Speaker 1>I do not know where that is. So I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to hear from our listeners if they know where

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<v Speaker 1>we can find such a titan pencil. It's got to

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<v Speaker 1>be in Florida. So I was reading another article on this.

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<v Speaker 1>This one came from Howard J. Bennett in the Washington Post.

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<v Speaker 1>There was an article uh, ever wondered about the lead

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<v Speaker 1>and pencils. Uh. And he points out that, yes, graphite

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<v Speaker 1>was thought to be a form of lead at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is why we still refer to the lead

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<v Speaker 1>and the pencil. But at the time, a graphite stylus

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<v Speaker 1>was just a sawed off stick of graphite, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a thick crayon. Um, Bennett writes, with no paper

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped around it. And you would you would whittle down

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<v Speaker 1>one end of it with a knife as you would

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<v Speaker 1>like whittle a stick, and then use that to write with.

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<v Speaker 1>That doesn't sound very fun. It's yeah, it's You're just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna get a graphite all over your fingers, right. Petrovsky

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<v Speaker 1>comments at length, actually about the interesting phenomenon of tools

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<v Speaker 1>and materials that are named after the original materials they

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<v Speaker 1>were made out of, but no longer are made out

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<v Speaker 1>of those materials. So you've got the lead and a pencil,

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<v Speaker 1>the silverware you use, which is made out of stainless steel,

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<v Speaker 1>and he talks about how I think. In England erasers

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<v Speaker 1>are often called rubbers, even though they're probably now made

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<v Speaker 1>out of some petroleum product. Yeah, it's like we we

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<v Speaker 1>the terminology sticks, even though the material changes. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the late fifteen hundreds people began gluing graphite rods inside

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<v Speaker 1>wooden sleeves because it's essentially what we're talking about here

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<v Speaker 1>with the pencil. Even though you know, generally I'm looking

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<v Speaker 1>at a pencil right now, and you certainly do not

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<v Speaker 1>do not get that sense from looking at the modern

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<v Speaker 1>version of it. You don't feel like this is a

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<v Speaker 1>thing that was assembled. It almost feels like something that

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<v Speaker 1>was grown. Yeah, I know what you mean. And certainly

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing processes have changed somewhat since then. But anyway, fifteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>something like the modern pencil uh comes into the world.

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<v Speaker 1>So you might be wondering, then if we have any

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<v Speaker 1>actual names or places to consider here. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>go to the Wikipedia entry for pencils, and it's a

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<v Speaker 1>logical place to go. We were Wikipedia fans here. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've discussed in the show or stuff to blow

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<v Speaker 1>your mind before that. You know, Wikipedia is an increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>good place to get like a general idea of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on with the topic, and sometimes a very in

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<v Speaker 1>depth look at a particular topic not a good final source,

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<v Speaker 1>so say, because you know anybody can edit it. But yeah,

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:06.639
<v Speaker 1>it's often a great place to start out. But if

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<v Speaker 1>if you do, go to Wikipedia's entry for pencils, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find Simonio and Lyndiana Bernacotti credited with this advancement UH

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<v Speaker 1>circle of fifteen sixty in Italy. So the sources on

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<v Speaker 1>this are a Rocket City Space Pioneers page which had

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<v Speaker 1>a short article titled who invented the pencil? Despite the

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<v Speaker 1>Rocket City Space Pioneers having been a past Google Lunar

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<v Speaker 1>X Prize participant and not really you know, a website

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<v Speaker 1>associated with the history of writing implements. That's interesting. It

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<v Speaker 1>also cites a history of Information dot com website written

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<v Speaker 1>by Jeremy Norman, who wrote quote, uh, Simon Eo and

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<v Speaker 1>Lidiana Bernacotti are believed to have created the first carpentry pencil.

0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:51.439
<v Speaker 1>They did this by hollow hollowing out a stick of

0:24:51.520 --> 0:24:55.359
<v Speaker 1>juniper wood. Okay, don't necessarily sound like the most solid

0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.639
<v Speaker 1>of sources I've all, but I've also seen this line

0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:01.560
<v Speaker 1>of reasoning picked up on an least one um uh

0:25:01.600 --> 0:25:04.720
<v Speaker 1>you know journal article Uh, simplicity as a route to

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>impact a material research by ten at Allen and Advanced Materials.

0:25:10.840 --> 0:25:13.680
<v Speaker 1>But I at least can't find much to back up

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>or elaborate upon these individuals. Uh, though perhaps I'm missing something.

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 1>Petrovsky did not mention these two individuals when he wrote

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<v Speaker 1>the following in his book on Pencils. Quote. Exactly when

0:25:27.119 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 1>and where pencils containing graphite were first made and used

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 1>appears to be unrecorded, as are so many technological milestones.

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>There are undocumented assertations that that place the discovery of

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<v Speaker 1>the graphite that Gessner refers to as early as about

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred and as late as fifteen sixty five, the

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<v Speaker 1>date of his book, But the scanty evidence generally points

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 1>to the unearthing of the pencils marking substance the new

0:25:52.800 --> 0:25:56.879
<v Speaker 1>unrefined mineral or English antimony as sometime in the early

0:25:56.960 --> 0:26:02.360
<v Speaker 1>fifteen sixties in Cumberland. So this would be referring to graphite. Yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So that seemed to be about the best we can

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<v Speaker 1>do in terms of you know, finding you, because we

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:10.760
<v Speaker 1>do always want we always want to find that Eureka

0:26:10.800 --> 0:26:13.959
<v Speaker 1>moment you always want to find that that first individual

0:26:14.040 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>and the cool story about how they you know, accidentally

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:20.040
<v Speaker 1>invented the pencil or saw it in a dream and

0:26:20.119 --> 0:26:23.040
<v Speaker 1>made hit a reality. But like you said, sometimes we

0:26:23.119 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 1>just don't have an answer. It just kind of emerges

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>from what people are doing at that time. Well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually something Petrovsky talks about in his book A

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<v Speaker 1>Good Bit, which is that much of the history of

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<v Speaker 1>engineering is unrecorded um because for much of human history,

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<v Speaker 1>engineering was not thought of as something that deserved to

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<v Speaker 1>be written about, um. Like he talks about in Ancient Rome. Vitruvius,

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, writes this great treatise on architecture where it's

0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 1>clear that Vitruvius is is he really knows his stuff

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>in terms of engineering and architecture of the day, but

0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:00.600
<v Speaker 1>he's a terrible writer. Like he didn't you know, bother

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:02.320
<v Speaker 1>to go out and say, like, I'm going to get

0:27:02.320 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a better writer to do this. So, you know, people

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:09.919
<v Speaker 1>have commented through the years that his Latin sucks, um.

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.080
<v Speaker 1>But but yeah, I think it's just because historically it's

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:19.520
<v Speaker 1>a fairly unusual attitude that that, uh, that engineering innovation

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.200
<v Speaker 1>is worth being written about, and a lot of times,

0:27:22.480 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, especially worth being written about in like sources

0:27:25.840 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>that are meant to be you know, read by the

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>public and sustained over time. A lot of times, if

0:27:30.359 --> 0:27:34.200
<v Speaker 1>we want insights from literary sources on the history of engineering,

0:27:34.240 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you have to like look at people's diaries and letters

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Yeah, and then it's something we've just seen

0:27:39.640 --> 0:27:41.160
<v Speaker 1>in the past. Who as you have like a situation

0:27:41.200 --> 0:27:44.720
<v Speaker 1>where is the person who who happens upon an innovation

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>or even an invention just in order to do to

0:27:48.840 --> 0:27:50.879
<v Speaker 1>get the work done, to get through the day, you know,

0:27:50.960 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>be it like create essentially creating the forerunner of the

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>jigsaw puzzle in order to be a better teacher, that

0:27:57.160 --> 0:27:59.240
<v Speaker 1>sort of thing. And then there's the person who comes

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<v Speaker 1>along and says, m hmmm, I bet I could make

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<v Speaker 1>some money off of that. I could mass produce that, etcetera.

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.400
<v Speaker 1>So no offense to the bernacottis I don't know where

0:28:08.520 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>whether I buy that or not. But I mean they

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>very very well maybe true, we just do not have

0:28:14.600 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>perhaps robust evidence enough, uh you know, to to uh

0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:21.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, to state that that is what happened. Okay,

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.000
<v Speaker 1>so question mark on that, yes, but at any rate,

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>it there it certainly catches on. And then later in

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.040
<v Speaker 1>sevente it was discovered that one could vary the hardness

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 1>of a pencil's lead by mixing powdered graphite with clay

0:28:35.320 --> 0:28:38.320
<v Speaker 1>and firing it in a kiln. The more clay, the

0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>harder the lead. And this is ideal if you want

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:45.240
<v Speaker 1>a finely sharpened pencil that won't break easily. Well, that

0:28:45.240 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>that's the friend of the heavy handed like me. Yeah,

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>and um and and also yeah, it allows you again

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.240
<v Speaker 1>to make different types of lines and strokes. Right, you

0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.600
<v Speaker 1>have the finely sharpened pencil where you can do a

0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of very fine work. But then as it gets duller,

0:28:59.640 --> 0:29:02.280
<v Speaker 1>you can, uh, you can color in those shapes. You can.

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.080
<v Speaker 1>You know, it changes how you're writing. But uh, it

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>also gives you a lot more versatility. Okay, So whoever

0:29:08.480 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 1>actually invented it, we know by the fifteen hundreds, these

0:29:11.560 --> 0:29:16.440
<v Speaker 1>graphite cores were being inserted into these wooden outlines, and

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.960
<v Speaker 1>then by the late seventeen hundreds they had found a

0:29:20.040 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>better way to incorporate graphite by mixing it with the

0:29:23.560 --> 0:29:26.440
<v Speaker 1>this clay, and you're getting something more like the pencil

0:29:26.480 --> 0:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>product we're familiar with, right, yeah, and it's it's inside

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.000
<v Speaker 1>inside the wood. So we almost have the pencil that

0:29:33.040 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 1>we uh, the basic form of the pencil that we

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 1>have today. But of course it's missing something on one end,

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and that would be the racer, which we'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>in a bit. For now, we're going to take a break,

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:51.960
<v Speaker 1>but we will be right back to continue our exploration. Alright,

0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 1>we're back. You know one thing that I meant to

0:29:54.240 --> 0:29:58.320
<v Speaker 1>mention earlier that I think is really net. Petrovsky has

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of little tangents and had bits of history

0:30:01.200 --> 0:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>throughout this book, and in discussing, like the the advantages

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.479
<v Speaker 1>of a pencil over other writing implements, he shares a

0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>little bit about the Scottish poet Robert Burns who lived

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 1>seventeen fifty nine through seventeen nine and his reported fondness

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 1>for writing on glass panes with a with either it

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<v Speaker 1>seems to depend on who you're reading on this, either

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 1>a diamond pointed pen or stylists, or perhaps a diamond ring. Um.

0:30:30.360 --> 0:30:32.680
<v Speaker 1>And uh so he's using it to, you know, to

0:30:32.880 --> 0:30:39.120
<v Speaker 1>etch into the glass pane permanently, um, composing poetry upon

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 1>it or within it, depending on how you look at it.

0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.640
<v Speaker 1>And a number of these diamond point engravings can still

0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:49.280
<v Speaker 1>be found throughout Scotland, though some maybe fakes apparently not

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 1>actually Robie right, but but when out there has you know,

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.520
<v Speaker 1>certainly if you if you are Scottish, or if you've

0:30:55.520 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>lived in Scotland or traveled in Scotland for any length

0:30:57.800 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>of time and you've you've seen one of the uh,

0:31:00.640 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 1>we'd love to hear from you about it. But anyway,

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>they're they're often celebrated, um and uh in. Petrovsky argues

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that the pencil delivers on a number of the strengths

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 1>exhibited by this technique without having to rely on fine

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 1>stones and vandalism, though interestingly enough, he stresses the graphite

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:21.240
<v Speaker 1>in a pencil is chemically the same as a diamond.

0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, the same constituents, different structure. Yeah, we're my love,

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 1>Jon carbon fair alright. So coming back to the pencil itself.

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:33.400
<v Speaker 1>The pencil was then used in congress with ink for

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:36.040
<v Speaker 1>a long time as a way of say, lightly marking

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the margins or even tracing characters, before bringing in permanent

0:31:39.880 --> 0:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>ink to h to make it permanent and of course

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>to you know, to stand out more. Bright black ink

0:31:45.480 --> 0:31:50.240
<v Speaker 1>on parchment, But the pencil becomes steadily more important, evolving

0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 1>from a mere instrument among many to being the writing

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 1>implement par excellence of the pre computer world. Just think,

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>for example, of how we use pencil in the English language,

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, to pencil someone or something in uh the

0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.040
<v Speaker 1>uh the adage about this is why pencils have erasers.

0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, that's something that made at times feel a

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 1>little um hokey today. But but Petrosky actually talks about

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit like you know that when it

0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 1>is first rolled out. I believe a pastor use this

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>analogy and does I think that is one of the

0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.000
<v Speaker 1>things about the pencil that is appealing is that it does,

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>on some level, even if it is a hokey level,

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>it sums up something about the human experience. And of course,

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>even if we're not gonna wax poetic about all of this,

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>it is hard to imagine and hard to use a

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.400
<v Speaker 1>pencil without an eraser, like the two just go hand

0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in hand, right, So you're probably wondering when does the

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 1>eraser affix itself to the pencil. When does this invention

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 1>come along or this innovation anyway, So the concept of

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:57.480
<v Speaker 1>an eraser itself certainly predates the pencil really because scribes

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:02.240
<v Speaker 1>have always made mistakes, They've always needed to remove unwanted

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>etchings from a manuscript. I think pretty recently we got

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 1>a piece of Listener mail with somebody talking about the

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.120
<v Speaker 1>use of knives to scrape away ink from parchment. Yeah,

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.360
<v Speaker 1>because when you're when you have ink on parchment, especially

0:33:15.400 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 1>pricey parchment, parchment that is valuable and must be used

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.600
<v Speaker 1>and reused, Uh, you're gonna have to scrape it off.

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>So you might use a small knife to do that. Um.

0:33:25.320 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Another thing you might use is a stone or a

0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 1>bit of dried wax or crustless bread. Was a huge

0:33:32.080 --> 0:33:33.920
<v Speaker 1>was it was not just a random thing. It was

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.719
<v Speaker 1>like a standard that you would have the bread. There were,

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, all these little um uh tangents and writings

0:33:39.960 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 1>about saying like the hungry scribes succumbing to their to

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:47.200
<v Speaker 1>their hunger and consuming the bread that they were supposed

0:33:47.240 --> 0:33:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to be using to you know, for erasure. Gross. But

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 1>of course, the spread of rubber technology ends up changing

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>all of this. So natural rubber had been used in

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>Mesoamerica by the Mayans and the text uh you know,

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 1>but for uses such as the production of rubber, sports balls, um,

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.520
<v Speaker 1>as well as I think like waterproofing and various other

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 1>material uses, uh, you know, for which rubber is very

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.839
<v Speaker 1>very handy. But then the French bring this material back

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>to Europe and we go from there. But then in

0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:23.319
<v Speaker 1>the late eighteenth century you have a British inventor and

0:34:23.400 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>scientific instrument maker come along by the name of Edward

0:34:27.280 --> 0:34:32.720
<v Speaker 1>Nairn who lived through eighteen o six, and he starts

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:38.200
<v Speaker 1>selling cubes of rubber for erasure in seventeen seventy, claiming

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 1>that he accidentally discovered the use of this use for

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.480
<v Speaker 1>rubber when he reached for bread to erase something and

0:34:44.520 --> 0:34:47.919
<v Speaker 1>grabbed a chunk of rubber instead from grabbed my trick

0:34:48.000 --> 0:34:52.040
<v Speaker 1>rubber sandwich by accident, which, uh, it's a nice story,

0:34:52.200 --> 0:34:54.319
<v Speaker 1>but it also sounds like a little it's too much

0:34:54.320 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 1>of a good story, like maybe he was just looking

0:34:57.239 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>at it. My my take is it seemed more likely

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that you were to kind of looking and I bet

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I could erase some something with that, Or maybe he

0:35:03.560 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 1>already ate the bread and just didn't want to admit it.

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Narn is an interesting figure even without taking into account

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:12.600
<v Speaker 1>all of this, um, you know, rubber and eraser business

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>because he made a number of improvements to various scientific

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:18.879
<v Speaker 1>instruments of the day, including the microscope and the telescope,

0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 1>and he created the first successful marine barometer. Given his

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>place in the in history, it should come as no

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 1>surprise that he corresponded with an individual that we've talked

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:32.320
<v Speaker 1>about in the show before, none other than Benjamin Franklin.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 1>What do you know, Franklin effect, He even made a

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 1>set of magnets and a telescope before Benjamin Franklin. So

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:47.680
<v Speaker 1>after this uh discovery slash innovation, uh, the eraser soon

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:51.240
<v Speaker 1>becomes a common companion of the pencil, and Petrovsky points

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 1>to various pencil cases uh that included an eraser, you know,

0:35:55.840 --> 0:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>pretty much like a big rectangular lump of an eraser

0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that is in the case with the pencils. But they

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>would have still remained separate at the not one unified instrument,

0:36:06.440 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>just two instruments that come together. Yes, as far as

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 1>we know, they did not actually come together into a

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 1>single instrument until the late nineteenth century. So who can

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 1>we thank for this invention? Well, looking at Petrovsky's extensive

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.520
<v Speaker 1>work as well as a Pagan Kennedy two thirteen New

0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>York Times magazine article who made that built in eraser?

0:36:28.080 --> 0:36:33.919
<v Speaker 1>There are three individuals slash entities to highlight here. First

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of all, let's look at eighteen fifty eight. Himan Lippmann

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 1>of Philadelphia was awarded a patent for his invention of

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 1>a pencil with a groove at the tip that could

0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:47.560
<v Speaker 1>be that could contain a glued in hunk of rubber

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and fun fact here, apparently one of Lippmann's ideas, too,

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>was that the eraser could be embedded inside the wood shaft,

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 1>just like the graph ideas. So you would have to

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 1>sharpen both ends of your pencil, one to allow the

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.640
<v Speaker 1>graphite to emerge and the other to allow the eraser

0:37:05.680 --> 0:37:08.480
<v Speaker 1>to emerge. Maybe, so we go half and half, like

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:11.720
<v Speaker 1>half graphite half eraser, right, Yeah, So that that Pagan

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Kennedy article includes a drawing of what this might have

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>looked like. So that's an interesting alternate reality to consider,

0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:24.319
<v Speaker 1>all right. Then, in the early eighteen sixties, the Faber Firm,

0:37:24.400 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>the key individual here being uh ebiter Hard Faber. UH

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:31.280
<v Speaker 1>may have been the first company to put out eraser

0:37:31.360 --> 0:37:34.920
<v Speaker 1>tipped pencils, as well as uh as pencils that had

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 1>like a metal cap on the end as well. Uh.

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 1>They had an early eighteen sixties patent for quote a

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>lead pencil with an angulated rubber seal head which serves

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.400
<v Speaker 1>as a seal, a preventer against rolling and as an eraser.

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Rolling is an interesting um concept with the pencil, you know,

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.480
<v Speaker 1>because you look at a pencil today and certainly the

0:37:56.520 --> 0:38:00.439
<v Speaker 1>modern eracer you probably doesn't help prevent rolling. But the

0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:04.160
<v Speaker 1>shape of the wood does. You can rest a pencil

0:38:04.360 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>on one of its sides. Well, you're you're talking about

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.120
<v Speaker 1>what like the hexagonal cross section pencils, Yeah, which I

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:12.239
<v Speaker 1>guess they're the most common type. Though. I remember when

0:38:12.280 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I had perfectly round pencils, and well,

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.760
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure we have we do have some perfectly

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:22.400
<v Speaker 1>round pencils in our house. I think some colored pencils particularly,

0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:24.319
<v Speaker 1>and of course they roll all over the place. But

0:38:24.400 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>this this uh, this fine Taikonderoga pencil in front of

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.239
<v Speaker 1>me here yet it can I can put it on

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 1>the desk and it stays put. It's very well behaved. Yes,

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 1>all right, and then uh. In eighteen sixty two, entrepreneur

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Reckendorff sought to improve on Littman's patent. So he

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 1>bought the patent for a hundred thousand dollars, which is

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.840
<v Speaker 1>about two million dollars in todays dollars, and then he

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>sued a favor for infringement. As Kennedy writes, uh if

0:38:56.680 --> 0:38:58.560
<v Speaker 1>all you know, if this would have held up, he

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>would have become a titan industry. He would have been

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the master of the modern eraser tipped pencil. But the U. S.

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Supreme Court ruled in eighteen seventy five that the eraser

0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 1>tipped pencil didn't count as a legitimate invention because he

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 1>was simply combining to existing and widespread inventions into a

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>new product. So my alarm clock toaster has no hope.

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 1>What's kind of like there was an episode of Uh

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Fly of the Concords where there was a character who

0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 1>had a camera phone and it was like a camera

0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>glued to a phone. It's kind of like that. Yeah,

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 1>with the with with the pencil eraser, you've just taken

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:40.279
<v Speaker 1>an eraser and and fixed it on the end. I

0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>guess there's an argument that you're not really inventing something,

0:39:42.960 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 1>but it does feel big. It does feel huge. I

0:39:47.239 --> 0:39:50.520
<v Speaker 1>I to a certain extent. I it's a fantas sorry

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 1>for this guy. Yeah, it's a fantastic leap forward in convenience.

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:55.839
<v Speaker 1>I think that counts as an invention, though, I guess

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>you you just have to have some kind of subjective

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:02.640
<v Speaker 1>judgment about how innovative the linking of the two things

0:40:02.719 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>actually is. Yeah. One thing we forgot to cover, which

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:09.600
<v Speaker 1>I also remember from my childhood, or pencils or pins

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.360
<v Speaker 1>they're capped in something other than a metal tip or

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:16.799
<v Speaker 1>a race like a couchh ball or um. I've seen

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.520
<v Speaker 1>them too, where you have like a dusting implement for

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>like a computer screen thing or some sort of like

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.319
<v Speaker 1>toy or gadget. Oh I had one. This This is

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:28.440
<v Speaker 1>a big memory for me because I remember buying it

0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and being super proud of the purchase, and I'm really

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:33.000
<v Speaker 1>being proud of it for a number of years. Is

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.440
<v Speaker 1>that I had a Gremlin's two pencil that was capped

0:40:36.680 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 1>in a grimlin uh that as if it were like

0:40:39.160 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 1>it was perched on the pencil top like it was.

0:40:42.080 --> 0:40:45.560
<v Speaker 1>It was like holding onto the pencil and I love

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 1>that thing. I don't think I ever sharpened it. I

0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.399
<v Speaker 1>was so proud of it. That's so good. I wish

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.120
<v Speaker 1>I had had that. I think I had like a

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>tazz that could go over the back of the pencil,

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:57.319
<v Speaker 1>which I don't know. I don't want out myself as

0:40:57.320 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>a taz guy. But but no, it comes back to

0:40:59.680 --> 0:41:02.280
<v Speaker 1>how I think as children, we would fetishize the pencil,

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and we would we would. I mean a lot of times,

0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 1>especially I mengtioned in cases where you have like school uniforms.

0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:09.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, you want to stand out, you want to

0:41:09.920 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>say something with your choice of writing implement. That is

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>very true. Yeah, well, I mean it goes beyond just

0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:19.719
<v Speaker 1>like decorations for the pencils. You'd have different kinds of pencils,

0:41:19.719 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 1>like the wacky pencils of course, have been around in

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:24.560
<v Speaker 1>different things that I remember people at my school being

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>very into like the gel pens that seemed almost like

0:41:28.120 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>it like an identity forming kind of signal. Er Yeah. Now,

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:36.400
<v Speaker 1>speaking of the eraser, uh, Petrovsky rites that as erasers

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 1>became more and more popular, there was actually kind of

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>a backlash to them. It's kind of almost like a

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 1>future shock technological anxiety concerning uh, the erase ability of text,

0:41:48.360 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and people were saying, well, how do I how do

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I write with a pencil so nobody erases it. How

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>can I protect my writings from a racier? And so

0:41:55.280 --> 0:41:57.680
<v Speaker 1>there were you know, people were giving advice on how

0:41:57.719 --> 0:42:00.320
<v Speaker 1>to do this or also how to treat the paper

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.759
<v Speaker 1>after you've written, say with I think they were talking

0:42:02.760 --> 0:42:09.280
<v Speaker 1>about using a milk wash on the paper. Um so um,

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that's interesting as well. Like it just a reminder, Yeah,

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:15.520
<v Speaker 1>that anytime there's some sort of new technology, certainly of

0:42:15.560 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 1>it affects the way that we're using language or using

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the written word. Uh, it can cause a bit of

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:25.440
<v Speaker 1>h you know, it can stir up anxiety, It can

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:28.280
<v Speaker 1>stir up a little fear, even because it's it's changing

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:31.279
<v Speaker 1>how we express ourselves, how we define ourselves. Yeah, I

0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:35.759
<v Speaker 1>mean people, well, people reacting to the concept and of

0:42:35.880 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 1>an invention without considering the practicality of what it is

0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>they're worried about, Like it would be easier to just

0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:46.520
<v Speaker 1>burn somebody's writings than to erase everything they had written down,

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and that that burning technology has existed for quite a while. Yeah.

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 1>Or it also gets down to the fact of how

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:55.600
<v Speaker 1>do you how do you? How how does forgery work?

0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 1>Forgery comes back to the very principles of writing. We

0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.359
<v Speaker 1>began with you can there's additive forgery, but there's also

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:04.279
<v Speaker 1>subtractive forgery. You know, you can if you want to

0:43:04.360 --> 0:43:08.319
<v Speaker 1>change the grade on your test that's being sent home

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that your teacher wrote in red ink, Well you can

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 1>get yourself a red pen and that that f becomes

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 1>a be rather easily. Right. But then the truth comes

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>to collect at the end of the semester, when your

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:22.839
<v Speaker 1>final grades come in. The harder to alter you can

0:43:22.880 --> 0:43:25.879
<v Speaker 1>only Uh, forgery is only gonna get you so far.

0:43:26.239 --> 0:43:28.360
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, there you have it. Uh, that's the

0:43:28.400 --> 0:43:31.279
<v Speaker 1>pencil in a nutshell. But obviously there are a number

0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>of different roads that we did not take here that

0:43:33.760 --> 0:43:37.359
<v Speaker 1>we could easily come back to. We could discuss the

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.200
<v Speaker 1>pen for at least an episode, because there are a

0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:42.719
<v Speaker 1>number of different innovations with the ink pen over the

0:43:42.800 --> 0:43:47.560
<v Speaker 1>years that are worth discussing. UM. For for that matter, UM,

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:51.480
<v Speaker 1>written language is a big one, UM, and then the

0:43:51.560 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 1>various forms of writing. Also rubber rubber technology, UH technology

0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:59.160
<v Speaker 1>that comes in the wake of rubber. There's a lot

0:43:59.200 --> 0:44:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of fun we could have with that as well. Absolutely.

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