1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Don't love every day? Up waiting Click yours up? The 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. You're finished for y'all done morning. 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 2: Everybody is the j Envy Jess, Hilarious, Charlamagne the Guy. 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: We are the breakfast Club. Lola Rosa is here with 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: us as well. We got a special guest in the 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: buildings in this new single comes out this Friday. Give 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 2: my love, Ladies and gentlemen, Cam welcome. 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 3: What's happening? How are you feeling, brother, I'm good, I'm good. 9 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 3: How's everybody? 10 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Black? And Holly fav Man? You are a legend. You 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: know how many people love you? Man? 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 3: Yeah? 13 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 4: Yes, I say that with gratitude. This gratitude, man, this 14 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 4: gratitude to be to be doing what I do for 15 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 4: a living for over two decades and I don't feel 16 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 4: like I'm done yet. 17 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 3: That's that's that's that's really really a blessing. 18 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 5: Why do you think you have the connection with the 19 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 5: audience that you do because you bay your souls, because 20 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 5: you're so vulnerable. 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: It's because they can, you know, maybe. 22 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 5: See some of their struggles and struggles you've been open about. 23 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's the vulnerability. I think it's the 24 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 4: authenticity and you know, and I'm making music in the 25 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 4: tradition of you know, Luther and Marvin and all that 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 4: great music that we grew up at, the Eisley Brothers 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 4: and Patty. You know what I'm saying, I'm holding I'm 28 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 4: trying to keep the light on for what I feel 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: is good R and B. 30 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: And I think people appreciate that. 31 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: But you're independent now, so you pay everything. So how 32 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:25,839 Speaker 2: does that feel, that part of the business feeling? 33 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: Well, it's incredible. 34 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: I started as an independent though, right My first album, Chemistry, 35 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 4: I released on my own label, Chemistry Records. We sold 36 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: that's when we you know, was selling CDs literally out 37 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 4: of my trunk, seventeen thousand units on my own. So 38 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 4: I'm just returning to I've come home. You know, it's 39 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: a full circle moment. Twenty three good years at Motown. 40 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 4: You know, Motown was good to me, and I was 41 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 4: definitely good to Motown. 42 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 6: You know, kept the lights on. 43 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, we kept you know, we kept it pushing. 44 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 4: But in this season of my life, you know, as 45 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: a husband, the father, we got a lot of kids, 46 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 4: a lot going on, and I'm thinking about my legacy 47 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: and how I want to move forward more equity, Uh, 48 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: more autonomy, you know, so I feel real good. 49 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: I feel the majority of your money was probably made 50 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 1: touring or right touring. 51 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, touring is definitely the gift that keeps on giving, 52 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,639 Speaker 4: as well as publishing. You know, publishing right, because I 53 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 4: write most of I write most of my stuff. 54 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 5: You know, you've been very open about things like, you know, 55 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 5: homelessness and in addiction before finding like you. 56 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 1: Know, your your breakthrough. 57 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 5: How did those struggles shape you as a as an artist? 58 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: Look, coming through the other side of my darkness is 59 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: really the foundation that that's got me sitting here with y'all. 60 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying my testimony is is everything 61 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: you know, and the music is infused with it. And 62 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 4: I just I don't just look at what I'm doing 63 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 4: as as an entertainer, you know, I'm I'm in the business, 64 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 4: you know, and I'm in the game, But I also 65 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: look at it as ash as many in a way. 66 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, People who are going through 67 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 4: you know, hopefully I say something that that that resonates 68 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 4: with them, that helps them, helps pull them through the 69 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 4: other side of their darkness too. 70 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 6: What made you give it up? 71 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: What was that that final thing that says, I'm going 72 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: to give this up and I'm gonna change. 73 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 6: When you talk about the drugs. 74 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 4: And alcohol, you know, I know it sounds, it sounds trying. 75 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 3: People say it all the time. 76 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 4: It's a cliche, you know, but it's like you get 77 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 4: sick and tired of being sick and tired. 78 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:27,519 Speaker 7: Man. 79 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,079 Speaker 4: You know, I got sober when I was twenty three 80 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 4: years old and in and out of jail, hospitalized because 81 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 4: of my addiction, strange from my family, you know, couldn't 82 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 4: go home. 83 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 3: Sleeping outside. 84 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: You know. 85 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 4: My friends were people that my contemporaries were. You know, 86 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 4: they were in school, they were in college, they were 87 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 4: starting their careers. Saturday night, they're out on dates, They're 88 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 4: doing the thing. 89 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: You know what. I'm eating out of trash cans, you 90 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 91 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 4: And I'm you know, when people think my story is 92 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 4: is uh is one of rags riches, but it's really 93 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: the story of the of the product son. 94 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 95 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: My parents, you know, two cars, and I mean, you know, 96 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 4: I want to send me to school and like all 97 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 4: of that, you know, but yeah, I got sick and 98 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 4: tired of being sick and tired, and I and I 99 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 4: gave up on my idea. 100 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: Of how to change it myself. Right. 101 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 4: There's an adage I love that says, when the student 102 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 4: is ready, the teacher appears. 103 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: You know. 104 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 4: When I gave up, when I surrendered. You know, God 105 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: brought some people into my life who showed me how 106 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 4: to how to live a better way. 107 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: And I've been doing it ever since. 108 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 5: If you don't mind me asking, how did the addiction 109 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 5: start with a recreational. 110 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: Or Yeah, it started recreationally. 111 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: Right. 112 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: You know, man, the first time I had a drink, man, 113 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 4: it was like, you know, and you know I was, 114 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: I was, you know, I think to some degree, we 115 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 4: all have some degree of dysfunction and in our homes, 116 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 4: and I just I didn't have I didn't have any 117 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 4: coping skills, right. And my parents, you know, God bless them, 118 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: they did the best they could. We were you know, 119 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 4: we didn't talk about anything in our house. 120 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 3: You know, we didn't. Uh, there was anxiety. 121 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,719 Speaker 4: And what I know now is is childhood depression and 122 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 4: and and eighty AGD. 123 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 3: We didn't have them labels. 124 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 4: You know, everybody, we all depressed, just get up and 125 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 4: put your head down and plow through it. 126 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 3: So all of those things. 127 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 4: So by the time I found alcohol and drugs, dude, 128 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: it was like a light. 129 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 3: Went on, you know what I'm saying. 130 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: It was a place of uh you know, I thought 131 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: that it was a place of of of refuge. 132 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 7: You know. 133 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 3: I was, I was I was free to be me. 134 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: You know. 135 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 4: I was the the life of the party, you know, 136 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 4: until until I wasn't. 137 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: You know. 138 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 4: So my my upbringing was it was it laid the 139 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 4: foundation to seek something outside of myself, to to to medicate. 140 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: You know, as soon as you often just offmosa shut up. 141 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: So it's all good. 142 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: Now. 143 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 6: You mentioned your parents, you know, so I'm sure your parents. 144 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: Had to kick you out to get to YouTube, to 145 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: get to where you need to be. 146 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: The best thing that ever happened to me was my 147 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: mother army out of the house, break that down. 148 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 2: Because a lot of parents won't do that because they 149 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 2: feel like that's their son. They don't want to, but 150 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: I feel like, sometimes you have to. 151 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: You have to. 152 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, she had to. It was the best thing that 153 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 4: ever happened to me, you know. And uh, and when 154 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 4: we and when we do that, And I'm saying that 155 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 4: as a as a father, and I don't know that 156 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 4: I'd have the courage to do that, you know what 157 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: I'm saying, even haven't had the experience, but you know, 158 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 4: and because there's a there's a risk and when we 159 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 4: when we show that type of tough love to someone, 160 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 4: there's a risk that they won't make it, you know 161 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 4: what I'm saying. But there's also a risk that that 162 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 4: they'll die in their. 163 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: Darkness, you know. So I'm glad that my mother made 164 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:35,559 Speaker 3: that choice. 165 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 6: What's your relationship after? 166 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 8: Uh? 167 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: Oh today, it's all good, right, It's all up, you know, 168 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: it was it was necessary my mom's and my mom's 169 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 4: in recovery too. 170 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: The whole the whole. 171 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 4: Dynamic in our house, you know, shifted, you know. And 172 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 4: uh and we were we did a lot of great 173 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 4: a lot of good work to get to a to 174 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: a good place. 175 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: And we lost my my my father last fall. 176 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: But you know, we're all all in a good place, man, 177 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 4: and I'm grateful for it. Curse breaker, I would say, 178 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: as far as addiction is concerned. As far as addiction 179 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 4: is concerned, my mother, my mother. 180 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 3: Got sober first, you know. 181 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 4: And I and I and I have I have continued, 182 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 4: I have continued the I like that I'm gonna take 183 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: that with me, I have continued the curse breaking, you know, 184 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: and uh and and hopefully my children will will will 185 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 4: carry it forward. 186 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 9: You say that, you know, y'all didn't talk about things 187 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 9: in your house when you were younger, before your father's 188 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 9: passed and leading up to that. Did you guys get 189 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 9: to have those conversations? Did you say, you know, we 190 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 9: didn't talk because we didn't talk about anything. Can we 191 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 9: talk about it now? 192 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 193 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, we were Yeah, we're you know, we were good, 194 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 4: you know, and you know, and I think that that's 195 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: that's not exclusive to our culture. But I'm sure that 196 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 4: you know our culture we identify. You know, you talk, 197 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 4: you know, grown folks are talking. You're going another room. 198 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, You're you're seen and you're 199 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 4: not and you're not heard, you know what I'm saying. 200 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 4: And uh, you know, but but uh, we did a 201 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 4: lot again, we did a lot of great work to 202 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 4: get to the other side of that. 203 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 204 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 8: Yeah, What were the conversations like while you were going 205 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 8: through the homelessness and trying to figure out that, I know, 206 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 8: you got kicked out of a rehabilitation sent at one point, 207 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 8: were your parents calling and checking in on you and 208 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 8: y'all were talking then, or like, was it just solely 209 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 8: just you? 210 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: You know? 211 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: When I was I spent a lot of time in 212 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: the UH, in the Salvation Army and the soup kitchens 213 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 4: UH Detroit Rescue Mission in Detroit, and and and during. 214 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 3: That time, I would I would try to I would try. 215 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 4: To go home, you know, and and prove to my 216 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 4: folks that that I had that I had changed, you know, 217 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 4: that I had turned over a new leafs so to speak, 218 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 4: But I hadn't really I was. I wanted to change, 219 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 4: but I had the I may have had the outward 220 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 4: appearance of change, but I didn't even know what change required, 221 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 4: you know, I'm saying. 222 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: So there were conversations. 223 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 4: They came and visited me in some of the rehabilitation 224 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 4: centers that I was in, and I was really trying 225 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 4: to get back into their good graces. 226 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: But by the. 227 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 4: Time I was really, really, really ready to stop. I 228 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 4: wasn't concerned about repairing my relationships, right, I wasn't concerned 229 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 4: about getting back into the good graces of anybody. I 230 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 4: was just trying to stay alive. I had to do it. 231 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 4: I had to do it for me, right, not because 232 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 4: of my job, not because you know, you know, and 233 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: I'm talking to addicts who are out there, not because 234 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: I want to. I want to, you know, get my 235 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 4: wife back or get my kids back. No, I need 236 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 4: to do this. I need to do this for me, 237 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. And and then hopefully all 238 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 4: the things, all of those other things will be will 239 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 4: will will be added, you know. And yeah, yeah, but 240 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 4: my parents stayed, they support, they wanted the best, you know, 241 00:09:50,679 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 4: but you know I was you know, I was crazy, drinking. 242 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: Using right, showing up, showing up drunk. You know, you can't, 243 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 3: you can't. You can only help somebody that want to 244 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 3: help themselves, you know what I'm saying. 245 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:11,719 Speaker 9: So it wasn't stay in. 246 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 4: It wasn't stay in situation. I mean we got and 247 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 4: you got breathalyzed every time you you know, you came back. 248 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 4: I mean but you you know you could, you could, 249 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 4: you could sneak I mean, you. 250 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 9: Know, got you right? 251 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: Yeah? 252 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: Not the first time, not the first time. 253 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 4: I completed I completed a program and it was still 254 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 4: a resident and you know, I completed the program and 255 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 4: you know, and can and continue and continue to use 256 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: So I mean, you know, you only but you're only 257 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: you're only you know, cheating yourself. 258 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 5: So I wonder if those programs, this might be a 259 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 5: stupid question, I wanted those programs actually work. Are Is 260 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 5: it just something that gets you to realize I gotta 261 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 5: make a chance. 262 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 4: That's a great point because we live in a in 263 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 4: a culture, in a society where, well a certain segment 264 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 4: of society where people think, you know, somebody has a 265 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 4: you know, a celebrity has a has a flare up, 266 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 4: get cut, and then they go to rehab for like 267 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 4: two weeks. 268 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 3: He's in rehab. 269 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, two weeks, two weeks. I 270 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 4: mean that's you know, that's a place to start. But 271 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 4: you're talking about an overhauling your entire life. 272 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You can't. You're not gonna 273 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 3: get better in two weeks. You know what I'm saying. 274 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: You can. 275 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 4: You can abstain, you can get some some some clarity, 276 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 4: you can get you know, a you can. 277 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 3: Get some tools. But it took a lot for most 278 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 3: of us. 279 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 4: It's taken a lifetime to become the peak for our 280 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: dysfunction to reach its peak. It takes time in order 281 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 4: to get better. So you leave treatment, you got to 282 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 4: continue to be, to be doing something. You know what 283 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 4: I'm saying, and it's it's you know, the internet is littered, 284 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 4: you know with stories of people who've been to treatment 285 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 4: and and didn't make it, you know, and you know, 286 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 4: so yeah, yeah, yeah, So. 287 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 5: When you was at your lowest point, like, what was 288 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 5: that thought, our moment that made you believe you could 289 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 5: still change your life? 290 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: Music has always been a light. 291 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: Makes me. 292 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 9: M hmm, it's okay. 293 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 4: Music has always been I've always known that that's what 294 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 4: it was. So I would be in the Detroit Rescue 295 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: Mission on a piano in the corner, writing the writing 296 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: the churse for my first album. You know what I'm saying, right, 297 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 4: Nothing nothing is wasted. You know you're talking to you. 298 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 4: You know, nothing is wasted your struggle, whatever you're going 299 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 4: through right now, if you get honest and surrendered to it, 300 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 4: nothing is wasted, you know because that first album, dude, 301 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 4: that's all Salvation Army, right, that's all Detroit Rescue Mission, 302 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 4: that's all you know. So music was always was always 303 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: a light pulling me through. I wanted to be you know, 304 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 4: I'd be you know, somewhere sleeping on the Detroit on 305 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 4: the Detroit River bank and right across from the Detroit River, 306 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 4: you know, the windsor you know, and at night, dude, 307 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 4: I'm you know, I'm home. I'm trying to nurse a 308 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 4: can of King Cobra till the next day. And I'm 309 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,680 Speaker 4: looking across then there's all these lights. There's all there's 310 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 4: all this life, you know, and I'm not a part 311 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:20,959 Speaker 4: of it. 312 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: You know. 313 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 3: It's like, dude, how do right? I saw this? But 314 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 3: how do I get to how do I? How do 315 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 3: I get to that? 316 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? How do I how do 317 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 4: I get to the to the next thing? You know, 318 00:13:32,679 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 4: that that that God has for me? And uh, you know, 319 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 4: and and and and surrender, surrender. You know, I just didn't. 320 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 4: It's not overnight, you know, I just didn't. I just 321 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 4: didn't show up. 322 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 5: It's so powerful, man, when you trapped in darkness, the 323 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 5: light is there, right, you just have to, you know, 324 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 5: have the clarity to see it. And I guess that's 325 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 5: why you self medicaid, because when you self medicated, you 326 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 5: don't see it right. 327 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: Right. 328 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: You have to let go. 329 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,839 Speaker 4: You have to be willing to let go of what's 330 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 4: holding you back to get to the other you got 331 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 4: to be willing to let it go. 332 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: You gotta be willing to let it whatever it is, 333 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: you know. 334 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: And we're just talking about, you know, addiction, but that 335 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 4: those principles apply to everything. Whatever you're trying to get 336 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 4: to the other side of, it applies to everything. You 337 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. So you know everything, it applies 338 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 4: to everything, you know. 339 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 9: So this is amazing just hearing your journey and the 340 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 9: things that you were going through. I grew up listening 341 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 9: to you. I would wake up Saturday mornings. It was 342 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 9: it was chemistry and Anita Baker in my mind it 343 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 9: would be ringing through the house, right and your voice right, 344 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 9: I we love the music and the whole time you're hurting, 345 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 9: you're going through this. So it's just amazing to be 346 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 9: able to hear your story now, right. And I also, 347 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 9: you had said that your music was your therapy, you know, 348 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 9: et the time of homelessness, right when you're away from 349 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 9: your community. Have you ever done any other therapy like 350 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 9: real therapy? 351 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah? 352 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, yeh yeah, yeah yeah yeah. Dude. 353 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 4: When I get when I signed, when I when I 354 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: signed my contract uh with Motown, I had a panic attack. 355 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 4: First time I ever had one, Wow, And I didn't 356 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: know what it was, right, and I'd lived with depression 357 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: like you know, you just get up, and yeah, I 358 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 4: had you know the degree of my depression is not 359 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 4: as severe as as as other people obviously, but I 360 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 4: had never and I didn't know, you know, and I 361 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,359 Speaker 4: felt like I was underwater. 362 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 3: I thought that. 363 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 4: Getting a record deal, which I had been you know, 364 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: proverbally chasing like all of my life, I thought that 365 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 4: that was going to be the cure all. When I 366 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 4: got the record deal, now I'm cool, right, But there's 367 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 4: all this other stuff, all this other all this other 368 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 4: baggage that still needed to be to be unpacked. 369 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 3: It didn't more to say, man, say more money, more problems. 370 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: It didn't. 371 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 3: It didn't resolve you know, a lot of issues. So 372 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 3: I ended up. 373 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 4: I was I was talking to someone, a friend of mine, 374 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 4: and I was explaining to her how I was feeling. 375 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 3: And she happened to be. 376 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: A child psychologist, and she said, have you ever been 377 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 4: diagnosed with depression? And I said no, you know no, 378 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 4: And she recommended a therapist. So I saw a therapist 379 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 4: and you know, and educated myself. I was on medication, 380 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 4: you know, for a while, and you know it was 381 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 4: it was, it was. It was life changing, you know, 382 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 4: we are. And that's after I think I got a 383 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 4: record deal. 384 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: I was. 385 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 4: I had been sober for maybe ten So these layers 386 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 4: are there are layers to our lives, layers of the 387 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 4: onion that we peel back. And there's more to discover, 388 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 4: there's more to unpack. There's always always more to. 389 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 3: Be done, you know. I don't know. 390 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 4: There's a lot of stigma, and not as much today 391 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: probably as as you know, I mean that was twenty 392 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 4: three as as there used to be about you know know, 393 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 4: you know the Black Church and were talking about you 394 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 4: know you only need Jesus, Like, yeah, you need Jesus 395 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 4: and a therapist, right, you need the Jesus and a therapist. 396 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 3: And you might need some and you might need some 397 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: some some medication. You know what I'm saying. 398 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 4: Don't let those things keep you from getting from getting 399 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 4: the help that you need. 400 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, How. 401 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: Did you get your deal? So you said you got 402 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 2: your deal? You said what you thought your problems will 403 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: go away? 404 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, how did they? How did you get your deal? 405 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 3: I was selling the Chemistry album off the. 406 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 6: Trunk, off the trunk. 407 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 4: You know, I was, I was, I was passing CDs 408 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 4: out in the streets, you know, in Detroit. I put 409 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 4: some people on the plane the flash to Chicago and 410 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: past CDs out in the streets. 411 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 3: You know. 412 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 4: I was literally, you know, living in uh in uh 413 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 4: in Detroit. And you know, my neighbors thought out they 414 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 4: didn't know what I was doing. I'm out my pajamas, 415 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 4: ups trucks, you know, loading CDs. I couldn't keep them in, 416 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,239 Speaker 4: you know, I couldn't keep them in the you know, 417 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 4: the beauty the beauty so Plat store. 418 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: So we were. 419 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 4: I had my own, my own barcode, you know what 420 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:08,119 Speaker 4: I'm saying. I was set up as a you know, 421 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 4: set up as a as a as a business. My 422 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 4: then manager, Toya Hankins, and we were just you know, 423 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 4: we were just hustling. So every time a CD sold, 424 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,719 Speaker 4: there was a blip on billboard. 425 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 3: Right, it wasn't a lot, but it was a there 426 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 3: was a blip. And then we. 427 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 4: Started to get local airplay and Detroit uh d C, 428 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:31,400 Speaker 4: Miami started playing love Calls before we ever had a deal, 429 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 4: you know, and and uh so, you know, and you know, 430 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 4: if you get the and and I don't know how 431 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 4: you well, I don't know how you You know, you're 432 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 4: obviously not selling CDs today, but if you get the people. 433 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 3: Behind you, industry will follow. 434 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 5: M How were you able to create a soundtrack of 435 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 5: love during that dark time in your life because you 436 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 5: you didn't love yourself? 437 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: Right? I don't know if you had somebody, but how 438 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: were you able to write? 439 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 10: You were really honest about all the things you were 440 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 10: going through to. 441 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 4: All of my all of the early records, are all 442 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 4: of the records up until I met my wife are aspirational, right, 443 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 4: you know, skinny, dark skinned kid, shy. You know, I'm 444 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 4: a I'm an introvert pretending to be you know, an extrovert, 445 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 4: you know, shy, you know, don't get you know, want 446 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 4: to want to look from the pretty girl, want the 447 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 4: you know, so I'm I'm that's you know, too afraid 448 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:36,239 Speaker 4: to talk, you know. 449 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 3: So that's all. 450 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 4: Of my songs work, that's all inspirational. It's all aspirational, 451 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 4: and it's all you know, when I did have a 452 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 4: girlfriend and then the loss of the loss of love, 453 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 4: you know that first, you know, you know that first, 454 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 4: the first album Chemistry is it's all of that, you know, Yeah. 455 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 9: That's crazy. How you say you didn't even know how 456 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 9: to talk? Man, your music got so many guys cheeks. 457 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 3: But I can do that. I'm standing at so my brothers. 458 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 3: I'm standing in the gap for my brothers. Right, you 459 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 3: ain't got the words. There's a kid, there's a chem 460 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 3: record for it, right, yeah. 461 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: So love inspire your music or the music inspired or 462 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: where you love? 463 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 6: Mhm? 464 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 3: Both both both right? And people talk about you know. 465 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 4: And then I used to be in bands and they 466 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 4: would be you know, everybody's we were coming up in 467 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: Minneapolis sound it was it was you know, Tony, Tony Tony. 468 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 4: It was all the dance tracks and all the all 469 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 4: my my bandmates and my musical peers. You know, they 470 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 4: were chasing this thing, dude. And I'm sitting over here 471 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 4: in the corner with these little quiet ass. 472 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Are you always writing the loves? 473 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: You know? 474 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 4: While you always was like, dude, that's I don't know, 475 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 4: you know, that's just you know, that's just that's just 476 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: what it is. And I and I'm you know, and 477 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:05,280 Speaker 4: I'm grateful for that, you know, because I think that. 478 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 3: All that ails the world is a lack of love. 479 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 9: Mhm. 480 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 5: To some degree, No, I think not even to some degree. 481 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 5: I think that's what's missing. Because love gives you empathy, love. 482 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: Gives you caring. 483 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 5: If you got those three things, you'll show up and 484 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 5: be the human that we need you to be. 485 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Love, empathy, and care. 486 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 3: That's it, you know, yeah for real? Yeah? Yeah? 487 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 9: Looking back now, right, what are you most proud of 488 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 9: now about your journey back? 489 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 3: Then? 490 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 4: I am most proud of being being sober, because upon 491 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 4: that is, you know, upon that, that's the foundation for 492 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 4: everything else. If I'm not sober, I mean, that's that's 493 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 4: you know, I mean, God in sobriety. You can go 494 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 4: which one comes first, because if I if I'm drinking, dude, 495 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 4: I God may still be with me, but I'm not, 496 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: I'm not. 497 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: Right. 498 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 4: Sobriety is is probably the first thing upon that everything 499 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 4: else is built. And after that is uh, you know, 500 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 4: it's my is, my family, my kids, my wife and I. 501 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 4: We've got seven kids between us. The oldest is thirty, 502 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: the youngest is one. You know what I'm saying, So 503 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 4: we you know what I'm saying. 504 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 6: How did you meet your wife? 505 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 4: I met my wife at a show in Atlanta, right, 506 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 4: and I was never I was never the artist who 507 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: is you know hey, you know, yeah, go give you know, 508 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 4: bring that one back, and go bring that one back. 509 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:58,199 Speaker 4: And my wife came to a meet and greet on 510 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: a tour that I shouldn't that I well, I you 511 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 4: know that at the time, I didn't feel like I 512 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 4: should have been on We had just we had just 513 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 4: it was just me, but we had just This was 514 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 4: twenty twenty fifteen. So in twenty fourteen, you know, me, 515 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 4: Joe and Charlie Wilson, you know, we was out killing 516 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 4: him for months, right, and then and then I came 517 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: back and tried to do and do do another two. 518 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 4: So we had been out there. So I've really felt, 519 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 4: you know, that I shouldn't have been out on the road. 520 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: But you know, where you where you are, we. 521 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 4: Don't all what what what you What you think you're 522 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: someplace for is not necessarily why you're there. We think 523 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 4: we're there for one reason, but there's something there's something else, 524 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 4: something else is going on. And and I met my 525 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 4: wife at a at a meet and Greek. She hates it, dude, 526 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 4: because when we get into a caller, oh yeah, meet 527 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 4: and Greek I got you meet and Greek. 528 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 3: Right, you gonna see this, We're gonna have a right, 529 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,040 Speaker 3: that's my nigga meet and greet. 530 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 1: It was a divine meet and greet. 531 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 6: Though she knew she was the one, HU knew she 532 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 6: was the one that suit as metal. 533 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: Oh boy, there was something that made me want to. 534 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 4: Stay in contact with her, right, which I never you 535 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 4: know in my you know, and I'm lame, I'm a 536 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 4: I'm a square, right, I'm asking her she got a 537 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 4: you got a business card? An't nobody carrying businessess? 538 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 9: You don't even know if she got a business card? 539 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I met I met her, I met her. 540 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: I met her at a show. Yeah, I met her 541 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 3: at a show. Yeah. 542 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 8: And then so after that, like not that night, but 543 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 8: like following the show. You guys keep in contact you're dating, 544 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 8: Like what's the. 545 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 4: Kept in contact via uh social media? And then on 546 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 4: in our first date was I flew to Atlanta and 547 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 4: I was in I was in Detroit. 548 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 3: Detroit was home, and I flew. 549 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 4: To Atlanta on New Year's Eve of twenty fifteen for 550 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 4: our first date and we had we had sushi and 551 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 4: then we went to a watch night service at the 552 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 4: church to bring in the new year, and you know, 553 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 4: I mean it's right there, you can go, I can 554 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,199 Speaker 4: go on. I mean it was, but it was it 555 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 4: was divine right because it was lined up. Everything was, 556 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 4: it was lined up. And then you know, we tried 557 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 4: to remain you know, good Christians. 558 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 6: And then that. 559 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 3: And when she said, you know, she told me she was. 560 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 4: Pregnant with my first son, and I got the news 561 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:56,640 Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, it's like okay, all right. 562 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 4: So I'm like, you know, I'm going I'm going all 563 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 4: I'm going all in, you know. And I went and 564 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 4: I went all in, you know, and haven't and haven't 565 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,719 Speaker 4: looked back through that whole story. 566 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. We got selling kids, So 567 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 3: you know, girl, you know what I'm saying. 568 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 5: Now you gotta do girl, Girl, when you write songs 569 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 5: like give my Love, do you write from a place 570 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 5: of healing You've already reached her from like pain you 571 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 5: might still be processed. 572 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 3: Give my Love is give my all. 573 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 4: All of the music since I've met my wife, there 574 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 4: is a much and and I was concerned about that 575 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 4: about like how is this going to you know, we 576 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 4: talked earlier about you know, my my angst and my 577 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 4: aspiration for love. So now that I'm in this relationship 578 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 4: with this with this woman, you know, the most spiritual 579 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 4: you know, I. 580 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 3: Mean, how is that going to affect my writing? So 581 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 3: now my. 582 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 4: Writing is is richer it is you know, I'm talking, 583 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 4: I'm thinking, I'm really thinking about communicating you know, the 584 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 4: ebbs and flows of my relationship with my wife and 585 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 4: and the spiritual component to to our to our relationship. 586 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 3: Yes, so give my love. 587 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 4: All the music is still inspired by love, but now 588 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 4: it's it's it's really inspired by love in a in 589 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 4: a much deeper way. 590 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. 591 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, what about music in general? 592 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 5: Like is it do you right from a place of 593 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 5: healing or from like pain? 594 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: You might still be. 595 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 4: I don't I you know, I talk about my pain 596 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 4: and my writing only in retrospect, not in you know. 597 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 4: I mean, I you know every day, you know, I mean, 598 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 4: you know, it's up and down, in and out you 599 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: know all the time. You know, we only post the 600 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 4: good we only post the good stuff, right, but it's 601 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 4: mostly it's mostly uh, the pain is is in retrospect. 602 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 3: Or it may be. 603 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: Lessons that that I'm that I'm learning the single that 604 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 4: that we're that we're dropping. Next is called Rock with Me, 605 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 4: and it's talking about uh, it's talking about wanting a 606 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 4: relationship to to grow, understanding that in order for a 607 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 4: relationship to sustain itself, both y'all gonna have to You 608 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 4: got to you know, you got to grow and you 609 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 4: got to make room for the other person. And rock 610 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 4: comes out this Friday comes Give my Love. 611 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 6: But rock with Me. 612 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,120 Speaker 3: That's all good, Lauren. 613 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 9: You can resonate with that. She in the new relationship. 614 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 9: The way is going, so I don't have to stop 615 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 9: saying that. 616 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 8: Don't disturb our exactly to get there, y'all will be 617 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 8: invited to have you seen because I know to show 618 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 8: up nothing my wedding. 619 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, look like it's all get trickis when you 620 00:28:59,240 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 3: said something like. 621 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: That, get don't What are you doing Kim with rocking? 622 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: What you look like? 623 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: Yeah? 624 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 9: What you look like? 625 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 10: Give my love? I saw that there's a blind dance. 626 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, don't look at oh. 627 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 8: No, yeah, a different, different person. 628 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 10: This is the daytime. 629 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 6: Different. 630 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,200 Speaker 1: She had a thirty day alcohol fast. Yeah, would be forever. 631 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 4: But you know, when you when you do, when you 632 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 4: do find the one, when the dust settles and you 633 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 4: find the one just just just just holler at your boy, 634 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: I got you. I'll sing I'll be happy to you know, 635 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: I'll call you Jesus Christ. 636 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 10: And you're not invited. 637 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 9: Like so you were about to say, is a line dance? 638 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 8: Yeah, I was trying to distract, but yes, there I 639 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 8: saw that as a line dance. 640 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 4: Got a real question, there's a the line there's a 641 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: line dance to give my love? 642 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 8: Yeah, when you perform at these venues, because I'm seeing 643 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 8: the people do the line dance on stage with you 644 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 8: and people are out and people are drinking, how does 645 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 8: that ever like bother you because you've been sober for 646 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 8: so long or how does that work? 647 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: No? 648 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: It doesn't. No, this is it's just uh me being sober. 649 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 4: It is just a choice for me, you know, and 650 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 4: you you know, and you you know. I mean people 651 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 4: innocuously offer the offer and I'll just say and I'll 652 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 4: just say no thank you. 653 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 3: Like she didn't have to. 654 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,479 Speaker 4: You know, I appreciate that, but she didn't have to 655 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 4: write it's just no thank you and you just move on. 656 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: It's no, you know, just so aggressive. Did not. 657 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 10: Have to because he was trying to push it over 658 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 10: here on me. 659 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 4: Have a mimosa, this will be the most dangerous morning, 660 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 4: escorted out the building. 661 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 9: I was more about the line dance. Did you did 662 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 9: you feel pressure to do it? Or did that just happen? 663 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 9: Did you make up the line? 664 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 4: That's like what Kenny J who's a line dance choreographer extraordinary, 665 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: you know, we we we called him to put a 666 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 4: line dance to it, and uh and then he taught 667 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 4: it to me. Got you you know, and you know 668 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 4: and and and we did it, you. 669 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: Know, we did. 670 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,920 Speaker 2: I still can't get into me a one, So I 671 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 2: got a long ready to be confused on left right. 672 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 6: I can't get none of these lines. Yeah, just I'll 673 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 6: be trying. 674 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 8: I have a question about about one of you older 675 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 8: songs about I Can't Stop loving You Sometimes. 676 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 10: You said a lot of those songs were aspirational. 677 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 8: But I was reading the article on ebony and they 678 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 8: talked about that song being about infidelity. 679 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 3: That particular song is about infidelity. 680 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 10: Was that aspirational? 681 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 3: No no, no, no, no aspirational? No no no no no no. 682 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 4: The love love songs are are aspirational, give my love. 683 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 4: And there are those songs that are that are autobiography, 684 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 4: auto bio graphical, and I Can't Stop Loving You as 685 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 4: one of those, And yes, it is about infidelity. 686 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 3: It was about. 687 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 4: Uh me being I was, I was in a relationship 688 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 4: with someone and I stepped outside and uh and people 689 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 4: and the and the strange thing about I can't Stop 690 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 4: loving you. It was like probably next to love. Well, 691 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 4: it's it's a big record, and people always want me 692 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 4: to sing that they wet and I'm like, dude, have 693 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 4: you listened. 694 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 6: To the lyrics of the song? 695 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 9: You wasn't that goddamn shadow. 696 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 3: You stepped out? 697 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 5: The wife replied to an aspirational cheating song like if 698 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 5: you're what I just can't stop thinking about you eating? 699 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 8: Yeah, it would, it would, It would would ask that 700 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 8: because you said all those songs are aspirational. 701 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 10: But then I read that article, so I was confused. 702 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 3: No, no, no, that's that's that's had a. 703 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 10: Track in my mind because I also didn't know it 704 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 10: was a song about infidelity. 705 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 3: There. 706 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 10: I thought it was just a love song. Yeah, stop looking, 707 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 10: But I. 708 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 9: Can see why people want you to sing in it 709 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,080 Speaker 9: there wedding, I ain't gonna lie. That song puts you 710 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 9: in a mood where you just want to love up 711 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 9: on your die or your girl. Whatever. You know what 712 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 9: I mean, They not even listening to it because I'm 713 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 9: I'm gonna be honest. So she just said that, I mean, 714 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 9: i'ma be honest So she just said that I had 715 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 9: no idea that it was about infidelity. 716 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 3: And it is aspirational in the sense that I want 717 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 3: to be a better man. 718 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: M hmm. 719 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 3: I'm gonna come on. 720 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 4: I'm gonna come on the radio and tell then tell 721 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 4: the whole world that I cheated on you. 722 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 3: Dang, and I can't. I can't stop loving you. 723 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 9: Hm, there's some narcissistic as ship. I'm gonna tell the world. 724 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna you know, right, guess it. 725 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 8: Gave you something you had to like like, you couldn't 726 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 8: go backward. You only could go forward from there because 727 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 8: you didn't you said it to the world. So you 728 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 8: have to be better. 729 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I am better. 730 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 9: I love that. 731 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: You know that. They always say faith with our works 732 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: is dead. 733 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 5: Right, So do you think your faith saved you or 734 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 5: did discipline? 735 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 3: Say both? 736 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 4: It's both, it's both, right, yeah? Faith without yeah, yeah 737 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 4: you can. You know, when you ask God to move 738 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 4: a mountain, you bring a shovel with you. Right, there's 739 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 4: there's work that needs to be done, you know, and uh, 740 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, there are things that you can do 741 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 4: and there are things that you can't do. 742 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 3: You know. One of my favorite. 743 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 4: Prayers is the prayers is the serenity for got gramm me, 744 00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 4: a serenity to accept the things I cannot change and 745 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 4: the courage to change I can't. 746 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 3: So what is mine? So right? What is mine? What 747 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 3: is God's to do? And what is mine to do? Right? 748 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 4: If I can't do anything about it, I can? This 749 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 4: is you know, this is then this is in God's hands, 750 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,000 Speaker 4: you know. But what is mine to do? I'm I'm 751 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 4: expected to to get busy. 752 00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: So do you see your career as a calling or platform? 753 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 3: I see it as a calling mostly right. 754 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 4: And there is a there is a deception in the 755 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 4: world that we're living in right now. Everybody wants to 756 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 4: have a platform. Everybody got you thinking about your gym 757 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: shoot line on my new cologne. 758 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 3: Enough, right, But everybody don't have this jewelry that I do. 759 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 3: This jury, this jewelry that I designed. 760 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 4: You need to be you know. And I'm you know, 761 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 4: and I'm I am an author. I'm an author, and 762 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 4: I'm a you know. I was on the phone with 763 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 4: somebody said, well, you're not just an arse anymore. You 764 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 4: the host of km TV, you know. And so it's 765 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 4: just trying to find the balance in that in order 766 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 4: to stay in order to for one thing to feed 767 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 4: the other, right, in order to be you know, you 768 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 4: got to be on social media in order to I 769 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 4: mean you got to do to it to an extent, 770 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,279 Speaker 4: but really not getting away from that. This is you know, 771 00:35:54,600 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 4: trying to be mission driven, you know, calling driven, you 772 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 4: know what's really really important, right, and not chasing, not 773 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,680 Speaker 4: chasing the trends, not you know, everybody's skipping. 774 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 3: You need to skip you know. 775 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 4: Well, right, it's like, yeah, yeah, this this is a platform, 776 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 4: but it's it's it's more than that first, you know. 777 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 3: So I'm still you know, I'm still working all that out. 778 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: You know. 779 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 5: My man and Paris, he always says that people you 780 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 5: have to do things for intention, not attention exactly. And 781 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 5: we're in an area where everybody does things for attention, 782 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 5: but what intention exactly? 783 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 4: You know, right, everybody we want to be influencers, like dude, 784 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,319 Speaker 4: just you know, can I can I'll I'll do good 785 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 4: to influence my household, right, my community, right or the 786 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 4: people that I'm meeting everything. I'm just that I see 787 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:54,920 Speaker 4: every day deal with how are you dealing with them people? 788 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, As opposed to being at 789 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 4: the at the at the whims and the EBB and 790 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,879 Speaker 4: flow of strangers and people that you don't even know 791 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 4: you know, and then taking hits right, you're all off, 792 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,720 Speaker 4: you know, off center because of you know what I'm saying. 793 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 4: It's like really really having to be you know, really 794 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,120 Speaker 4: be uh, you know, intentional. 795 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 9: I really want to know this about you. Who is 796 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,640 Speaker 9: your mount? Who is on your mount? Rushmore of R 797 00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 9: and B and. 798 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 3: Sould Oh, yes, there's a lot of people. 799 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 9: Okay, so it's not just FU. 800 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,399 Speaker 4: And I'm a songwriter first, so I dig songs, right, 801 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 4: so I'm you know, the songs have have affected me, 802 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 4: so it can. 803 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 3: Be you know. 804 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 4: That, Well, there'll be you know, Prince and Michael would 805 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 4: be I mean, you know, but I mean, but there's 806 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 4: you know, but there's Luther, there's ron Eisley. I'm working 807 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 4: on some right now. I'm like, dude, I may have 808 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 4: to call you know. Ron Eisley to me is like 809 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 4: if they did a time capsule of somebody to represent 810 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 4: R and B. 811 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 3: And soul like his voice is that to me? You know? Everybody? 812 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 4: Or Earth Went and Fire, you know, and then the 813 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 4: songs and then the you know the new artists that 814 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 4: are you know October London and uh and I was 815 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 4: just listening to uh uh uh the Star Kendrick Lamar 816 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 4: and and and Scissor you know, and uh you. 817 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,720 Speaker 3: Know every summer walker. 818 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 9: Do you like giving? 819 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 3: You? 820 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 6: Who giving is? 821 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 9: I got to put you on with Giving He's great, yea. 822 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 3: And everybody's talking about R and B is you know, like. 823 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 4: Dude, you can get you can push a button and 824 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 4: listen to all the R and B that you want 825 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 4: to listen to. 826 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You know, you did an. 827 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 9: Interview back in November where you said that you wanted to. 828 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 3: Collaborate with Yeah. Absolutely. 829 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 9: Did you hear anything from our team? No, No, I'm 830 00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 9: still because that would be amazing. 831 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 3: Yeah that would That's that would be my jam, right yeah? Yeah. 832 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: So how do you measure success now? 833 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,200 Speaker 5: Is it about the awards and the about how many 834 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:02,960 Speaker 5: live your music questions? 835 00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,439 Speaker 4: You know, that's that's tied into the for me, that's 836 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:13,759 Speaker 4: tied into the platform question. You know, I I you 837 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 4: know some of the things that I haven't hit. You know, 838 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,400 Speaker 4: I haven't wont to Grammy. I've been nominated, you know, 839 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:18,719 Speaker 4: but I want to Grammy. You know, I want to 840 00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 4: make some more money. I want number I want more 841 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 4: Number one records. I want all of those things. 842 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 3: There allow all of these marks that I haven't hit yet. 843 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 4: And you know, the good thing is is that I 844 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 4: don't feel like I don't feel like I'm done. 845 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 3: But if I was done, I've been doing this for twenty. 846 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 7: Three you know what I'm saying, right, I had you know, 847 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 7: it's like no, you know, I've had. I've been I've 848 00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 7: had great success doing what I do and you know, 849 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 7: keeping my head above water and and. 850 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 3: And you know, and just being cool. It's been good. 851 00:39:57,440 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: You know. 852 00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,080 Speaker 3: Do I want more? 853 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 4: Yes, more is on the table, you know what I'm saying, 854 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 4: But I'm not, you know, I have to be. 855 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 3: I'm I'm I'm grateful for what has been. 856 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 8: You Do you ever have days where you like lose 857 00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 8: the passion or like you're like drained or because you're 858 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 8: you put so much into your music? Yeah, what are 859 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,799 Speaker 8: those days like for you? We're like writer's block. 860 00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 4: Or writer's block is uh you know, really the biggest 861 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,720 Speaker 4: job for me is writing is the hardest thing. It's 862 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,920 Speaker 4: the it's the hardest thing, and it's the most rewarding 863 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 4: thing because nothing, nothing, you know, for you know, for 864 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 4: what we do, you know, as an artist, as a 865 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 4: song you know nothing. Everything starts with a song, you know. 866 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 4: So the hardest thing is to and we're calling my 867 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 4: team and I were calling this the this season or 868 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 4: return to love and just returning to the love of it. 869 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:50,360 Speaker 3: You know. 870 00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,680 Speaker 4: It's just sitting down at the because when I started, dude, 871 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 4: I could sit at a piano or keyboard like all 872 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 4: day and not move and not have to find anything, 873 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. 874 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 3: And now it's like I'm looking for something when I 875 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,719 Speaker 3: sit down, you know what I'm saying. So now I'm 876 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:10,240 Speaker 3: just you know, just flush out every every idea. 877 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 4: That's the most challenging thing, just to sit and just 878 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 4: everything don't have to be you know, my albums, all 879 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 4: the albums are not they're all not number one, they're 880 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:19,239 Speaker 4: not all supposed to be number one records, they're not 881 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 4: all radio songs, they're not all you know, and just 882 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 4: let and just just you know, and just and just 883 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 4: let it flow. 884 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, So brother, thank you for your testimony many and 885 00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 5: thank you for you know, you know, turning your testimony 886 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,399 Speaker 5: in the art that that heals man. 887 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,520 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you for having me. It's 888 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 4: really really been a blessing to be here today. 889 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 6: Thank you. Let's get into the single you want to 890 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:39,440 Speaker 6: introduce it. 891 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 4: This is a rock with me and you're hearing it 892 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,440 Speaker 4: right here. iHeartRadio. This is the Breakfast Club. Come on now, 893 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 4: it's the Breakfast Club. 894 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 6: Good morning, every day. 895 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: Up the Breakfast Club. 896 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 3: Finish, y'all done it.