1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: production of My Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt. Our colleague Nola is not here 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: right now, but we'll be returning soon. They call me Ben. 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul, Mission 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: controlled dec and most importantly, you are you. You are 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: here and that makes this the stuff they don't want 10 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: you to know. Uh, Matt, you were you were missed 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: while you were on adventures earlier. Uh. And we're so 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: glad you're back because we're talking about one of our 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: mutually favorite childhood things. Monsters, curses, creatures, dangers in the night. Yes, 14 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you guys got to cover that stuff. 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: The evil eye is one of my well, that's one 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 1: of my favorite little concepts, that that that beautiful blue 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 1: color around that eyeball and how it can protect you 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: from things. I don't know, what what do you think 19 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:21,919 Speaker 1: about the eye? Been Um, there's a lot of stuff 20 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: actually in that conversation that I wasn't able to get to, 21 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, how it is you come in with. You 22 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 1: come in with like several books that that are piled 23 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: up on one side of the of the recording space, 24 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: and then at the end you have to say, every time, 25 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: all the books, all the stuff I read forever, don't 26 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: let them follow you. Matt does a lot of research, folks. So, um, 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: it's interesting the evil eye because it blue is the 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: most common color, but green is also another go to color, 29 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: and in some ways it's probably based on the rarity 30 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: and received power of blue and green eye pigment. Green 31 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: is sort of the pepsi to the coke that is 32 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: the blue evil eye. Um, but yeah, it's fascinating and 33 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: it's very much a thing that people truly believe in 34 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: across the world in the modern day, just like jinn uh. 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: We also talked a bit about the tokoloshe We talked, 36 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: of course about the the crime spree alleged of standing 37 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: fans in Japan and South Korea, and no, those aren't 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: people at the cheap seats of a K pop concert. 39 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: We're talking about electric fans and the dangers they pose. 40 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: In short, it's the most wonderful time of the year. 41 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: Here a's stuff They don't want you to know we've 42 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: made it. Fellow conspiracy realist to another October and Matt, 43 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 1: I m I'm assuming that you and I are especially 44 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: gassed because this is the time of the year when I, 45 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: to a very small degree, you to a pretty large degree, 46 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: get to play around with the world of spooky fiction. Uh, 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: and I absolutely love it. Um full disclosure, Matt, you 48 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: are an ep for uh, some of the best fiction 49 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: anthologies out there, particularly Thirteen Days of Halloween. I'm lucky 50 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: enough to be able to work on what or two episodes, uh, 51 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 1: and I just can't wait for people to hear them. 52 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 1: They're going to be coming out very soon. When when 53 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: does the first episode of Thirteen Days drop? It's gonna 54 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: be on Wednesday, October nineteen. You'll hear a trailer around 55 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: the time that you're hearing this episode, So it's gonna 56 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: be great. It's a really good season, you know, it's 57 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: it's It is a lot of fun, Ben, But once 58 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: you're actually in the process of making it, it's kind 59 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: of like video game crunch time. It's just stress until 60 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: it happens and then you can go, Okay, that was fun. Yeah, Yeah, 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: And I have I mean, I have a much easier 62 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: role because mine so much smaller. I just write this 63 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: stuff and I hope it hope it works. But uh, 64 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: but yeah, this is gonna be a little bit different. Um. 65 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: Without spoiling it too much, you'll you'll hear this in 66 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: the trailer, but you and your co ep, the one 67 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: and only Alex Williams, are making this a little bit 68 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: more of a long form narrative along with uh, you know, 69 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: along with some other excellent projects coming out with our 70 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: palace Aaron Manky and Nick Takowski, so and blum House Television. Yes, 71 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: we're contractually obligated to mention that part. So, yes, I 72 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: mean it really is. It's like, yeah, uh it's a 73 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: show that has Blumhouses stamp of approval. So you should 74 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: check it out and tell them to read my screenplays. 75 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: I'm getting But but yes, so we wanted to you know, 76 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: we look to some very dark and troubling things here 77 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: on stuff they don't want you to to know. As is 78 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: our remit today, we wanted to continue uh tapping into 79 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: the rich, sinister vein of folklore and monsters. Heads up. 80 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: As we said in part one, this is not the 81 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: sort of exploration you may be expecting. Please do check 82 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: out Part one. There's some really valuable context that you'll 83 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 1: need to understand how we're setting about this. Uh, and 84 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: let's give you a quick recap of that. Here are 85 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: the facts. Okay, I think it's safe to say that 86 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: if you are listening now and you are in the 87 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: United States, you probably don't believe in things like monsters, 88 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: even if you love horror movies, even if you're the 89 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: number one how if you're the mayor of Halloween in 90 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: your town, you probably don't think that vampires and a 91 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,919 Speaker 1: swan and were wolves like and throwp skin walkers are real. 92 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: But for a lot of human history, belief in monsters 93 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: was an accepted part of existence. You would be aware 94 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: of this stuff the same way you be aware of 95 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: the threat of a large predator in the nearby woods. 96 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: And to not take this seriously wouldn't just be like 97 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: insulting to people who believed in it. You would look 98 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: dumb to your social peers. You would be like somebody 99 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: going out there and saying, well, you know, I've never 100 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: actually seen a tiger, so I think you're making it up. Yeah, yeah, Well, 101 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: why don't we why don't we get into the etymology 102 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: of that term monster because it is a shared concept 103 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: right throughout history. I think I think we should talk 104 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: about that um early on as humans are starting to 105 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: form groups, societies, you know, ty vibes, everything. There work 106 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: shared concepts that everybody had to get down or else 107 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna have problems. The way you're describing, like, the 108 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: reason why there's social pressure is because there's real danger. 109 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: Just because it's thought of as a monster doesn't mean 110 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: it's not real. It's it's just a monstrous thing that 111 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: could get you, right when you're talking about predators in 112 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: that way. Yeah, Yeah, and these you know, if you 113 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: look across the span of human civilization, and we can 114 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: we can say this with certitude for almost every part 115 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: of the world except for North Sentinel Island. If you 116 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: look at every ancient culture, you know, they nailed down 117 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: like concepts, as you said, Matt, very early, very there 118 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: were very common ones, and it's based on the way 119 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: the human brain works and how it interacts with its environment. So, um, 120 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: the earliest people, the earliest what you would call people, 121 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: or even the things that came before what you would 122 00:07:55,520 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: call modern man had concepts of things like death and 123 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: the afterlife, right, God's maybe fire and ways to explain 124 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 1: the world in which they lived. It was the exact 125 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: same with the concept of monsters. So if we look 126 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: at the etymology, we see how ancient it is. It's 127 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 1: funny because it didn't always mean a crazy, dangerous, evil, 128 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: repugnant thing. The original Latin term is monare, which just 129 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: means to her mind, to bring to the front of 130 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: your brain of your recollection, or to admonish or worn 131 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: or even instruct or teach people. And then from there 132 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: we get the Latin term monstrom, which is a little 133 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: bit closer. Monstrom is like a bad vibe. If you 134 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: say you encountered monstrom, it would mean you've got a 135 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: disquietening omen a sign. Right, So uh, an example of 136 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: that in some cultures would be seen a raven at 137 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: the wrong time, right, it would be important. Uh. It 138 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: could also mean an abnormal shape, you know, but not 139 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: in a fun way. It's not like there's an attractive 140 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: person walking by and some ancient Latin speaking person is going, wow, yeah, 141 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: check out that monstrom or anything like that. It meant 142 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: a repulsive character. That's when it starts to become singular. 143 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: And uh, it could be an object or it could 144 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: be a bad deed, so like um, an active monstrom, 145 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: for instance, would be fratricide or regicide. It's a monstrous act, 146 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: killing of sibling or killing of the king. Uh. And 147 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: then from there, English, of course, being the most steely, 148 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: sneaky of all languages. UH, it took the word from Latin, 149 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: like so many other words, and that's how we get monster. 150 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: By the early fourteenth century, people are using the phrase 151 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 1: monstra which you may recall from our conversation with Matt 152 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: Graves about his podcast le MONSTRAU. This meant malformed animal 153 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: or human or sadly creature afflicted with a birth defect, 154 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: and that comes from Old French. Okay, so we've got 155 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: the etymology here. And oh, by the way, that old 156 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: French term comes about in the twelfth century, so there 157 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:41,199 Speaker 1: is definitely an evolution from uh, a much more broad 158 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: concept to a surprisingly narrow one. At this point, I 159 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: have to ask you that I didn't ask no Um, 160 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: were there any monsters growing up that you are aware 161 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: of as a young Matt Frederick that you either truly 162 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,120 Speaker 1: believed in or thought you saw or felt like they 163 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: could be totally plausible? Ben, I don't know if there 164 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: are any real monsters that I fully believed in, besides 165 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: for a time the one that was probably under my 166 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: bed or in my closet. I definitely thought there was 167 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: the potential for something like that, but I never had 168 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: a like a name for it, or a type of 169 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: a monster. I just knew. I was positive that something 170 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: was lurking in the darkness in my house when I 171 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: was a kid. Okay, what about the more monstrous of 172 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: the cryptic's, like sea monsters. Um No, I never really 173 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: thought Nessie could have been a thing. I remember hearing 174 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: about that. I did think the potential for a squatch 175 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: of some sort was was there. I thought it was 176 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: probably real, probably in the mountainous, wooded regions of the world. 177 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm I'm with you. I I have pretty skeptical of 178 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: Jetti and big Foot fairly early on, thanks to conversations 179 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: I was having with zoologists. I didn't have a lot 180 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: of friends in my age, and also I I still 181 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: I gotta say, if someone asked me that question return, 182 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:21,440 Speaker 1: I would have said, like, right now, sea monsters still 183 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: I believe, maybe maybe not necessarily huge Lulu like Leviathan, 184 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: But there's so very little that humans know about uh, 185 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: the abyss beneath the waves that I think it is 186 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: maybe at this point not probable, certainly not proven, but 187 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: it is plausible that there's some sizeable stuff down there 188 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: right that that humans have yet to find, just because 189 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: there have been so few expeditions. But then again, now 190 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: I'm thinking through it out loud. Powerful militaries have such 191 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: a comprehensive sensory net over so much of the ocean. 192 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: But you know, hope springs eternal after strange aans even 193 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: death may die. Ah, there you go. If there's nothing 194 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: left to die, then what is death? Right? It goes away? 195 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: Bad Lovecraft references. Um, there's certainly an increase right now 196 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 1: in our interest in sea monsters. I don't know if 197 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: you've seen on the on YouTube and some of the 198 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: other social video channels, people have been posting these highly 199 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: well produced videos of sea monsters, like off the side 200 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: of a cruise ship or by a fishing vessel, and 201 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: it's this amazing c g I of a huge, hulking 202 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,840 Speaker 1: Leviathan of some sort coming out of the water, and 203 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: the animation it's just spot on, but it is in 204 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: fact not real. The problem is people's sense of what's 205 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: real or not. It's kind of thinned late, and I'm 206 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: seeing people who at least purport to believe that these 207 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: things are real even though they're they're not. Yeah, yeah, 208 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: And this is where we go into the power of belief, 209 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 1: as we've seen in previous episodes on things like possession 210 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: or outbreaks of mass psychogenic events. Uh you may know 211 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,239 Speaker 1: that better as mass hysteria. There are often pretty complex 212 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: social explanations for belief in monsters, but we have to 213 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: be careful about that. There's a line we have to 214 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: tread um when it comes to the nature people's deeply 215 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 1: held personal beliefs. If you show up in a community, 216 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: regardless of the time and civilization we're talking about as, 217 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: you show up in a community and you are and 218 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: there are nine people who absolutely believe that the valley 219 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 1: two miles distant is home to a dragon or a 220 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: great great worm w y r m uh, and you're there. 221 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: You're the person. You're the only person who says, nah, 222 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: now I went to that valley, I didn't see anything. 223 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: Then you're the crazy one. You're the one who is 224 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: being irrational and not making sense. And it's important to 225 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: remember because there's a kind of pure pressure that occurs. 226 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily malevolent, nor is it ill intentioned. In fact, 227 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: in the majority of cases, the intention there is quite noble. 228 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: It's people seeking to protect each other. But those same 229 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: patterns that we can see, uh, thousands of years in 230 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: the past, they exist in some form in the modern day. 231 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: So let's let's call the folklore class adjourned for for now. 232 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: Let's get to the good stuff. What do you say, Matt, 233 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 1: are you game? You wanna you wanna explore some real monsters? Yes? 234 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: I do, So we'll take a break and we'll come 235 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: right back. Here's where it gets crazy. As we mentioned 236 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,359 Speaker 1: in part one, for much of human history, monsters curses, 237 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: all those creepy crawley things that go bump in the night, 238 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: or those left handed magical powers. Uh, they were considered 239 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: genuine things, right. A curse was considered to function the 240 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: same way as scientific principle would things like ghoules, the undead, 241 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: you name it. They were considered real and they were 242 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: considered to have their own territory, their predilections, etcetera. A 243 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: lot of these beliefs remain in some form in the 244 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: modern day, and well in each of the cases we're looking. 245 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: Uh we can find a few proposed skeptical or mundane explanations, 246 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: but we want to again emphasize in each of these cases, 247 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna end by asking whether or not people still 248 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 1: genuinely believe in these monsters. Where do you want to start? 249 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: We're globe trotting today. We're going all around the world. 250 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: I'd love to head over to Indonesia for a moment, 251 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: if that's all right with you, Ben, I want to 252 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: go to the island of Java, one of the large 253 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: islands there in Indonesia, and I want to go really 254 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: to the center of it. I want to go to 255 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: the rainforest area, or the area where there's dense forests 256 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: at least, and many volcanoes around in this part of 257 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: the world, specifically in these islands, and uh oh, and 258 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 1: lots of water surrounding them because they are islands. It's 259 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: a really neat place. It's a weird word to say neat. 260 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:03,240 Speaker 1: It's beautiful, right. It's filled with life, both plant and animal, 261 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: and it doesn't have the same density of humans as 262 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,439 Speaker 1: other places in the world, like a lot most of 263 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: the places where I've lived in the past. Uh, there's 264 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: just so many humans in parts of Java, there are 265 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: not that many humans, but there are places for humans 266 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 1: to travel and to visit. But sometimes when a human 267 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: travels out into these places where there are lots of 268 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 1: plants and animals, uh, they're going to hear something or 269 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: maybe see something that they're unfamiliar with, and when they do, 270 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: they might go back and tell their friends about it. 271 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: And this is a story about one of those tales. 272 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: So there is a sound, a very specific sound, that 273 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: is associated with a cryptid that is said to exist 274 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: specifically on this island of Java, but perhaps on other 275 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: islands in Indonesia as well, or in the surrounding area, 276 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: but specifically we're going to focus on Java. There's a 277 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: sound and it goes a little something like this, Oh 278 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's like a there's like an L at 279 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: the end, But the most important thing is the ah 280 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: and then the that little l the way it kind 281 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: of shapes at the end there. So that sound is 282 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing associated with this crypto, as well 283 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: as a couple of physical characteristics. This is a creature, 284 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: you guys, that is part bird, perhaps part monkey, maybe 285 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: perhaps it's a bat, who knows, but it's roughly the 286 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: size of a child. It definitely has wings, and it 287 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: makes that sound oh m hmmm, And that sound might, uh, 288 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: it might strike you as a little bit silly. If 289 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: you are listening to this show in the daylight, if 290 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: you're listening to this while you're walking through your favorite 291 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: part of town, you know, and you're passing up fast 292 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 1: food joint, or maybe you're at work and you hear 293 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: a who in your headphones, then it seems like it's 294 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: something that's easy to dismiss. But again, if you put 295 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: yourself mentally in this situation. You're in the woods, it's dark, 296 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: you're alone, right, and you are in one of the 297 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: most bio diverse places on the planet, a place where 298 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: even a lot of locals can run into animals that 299 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: they have never seen before. Then you can understand how 300 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: this noise starts to sound a lot less silly. Oh yeah. Uh. 301 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: And and by the way that sounds, it makes sense 302 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 1: why people call it the whole. That's what it's known as, 303 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: at least in the western sources that we've been able 304 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: to find. That's how it is described. And let's continue 305 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: talking about what it looks like. We we talked about 306 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: part monkey, part bat, part owl. Part whatever um. It 307 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: is described as having a primate head if it were 308 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: let's say a bat. You know, because if you imagine 309 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: the head of a primate and you shrink it down 310 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: and then imagine like the head of a bat, and 311 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: you've seen pictures of both of those, you can see similarities, 312 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: especially if it was in a chance encounter, a very 313 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: quick swooping down event, let's say, with one of these things. 314 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: If it if it's swooped at you, maybe attacked you, 315 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: and you just got a glimpse of the face, maybe 316 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 1: you would think, oh, primate or or you know, monkey, lemur, 317 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: some kind of animal that is like that. That is 318 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: I think maybe it's just a really terrifying image in 319 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: my mind, at least because I go back and I 320 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: think two movies that I've seen in the past, Remember 321 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: a little movie with flying monkeys. Yes, Wizard of Odds. Yes, Yes, 322 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: that goes into my brain when I think about the o'hool, 323 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: but not I mean that one's it's a little silly, 324 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: but at the same time, that's what that's the image 325 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: I get in my brain, especially if I'm thinking about 326 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: walking alone in a rainforest like that and something swooping 327 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: down the wingspan. You may ask, okay, the things the 328 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: size of a child. How big are the wings? Well, 329 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: they're purported to be up to around ten ft ten ft. 330 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: If you stretch your arms out and you're like me, 331 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: almost six ft tall, that's six ft. Like, maybe stretch 332 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: your arms out. Think about how how long that is. 333 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 1: That's however tall you are, Well, this is ten ft. 334 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: That's huge. Oh and it's covered in great fur. I'm 335 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: gonna make sure we mentioned that. Uh. And of course 336 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: the long sharp claws that any good monster has on 337 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: its feet and hands, very dark eyes, Uh that are 338 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: big apparently, and uh, super creepy stuff. Yeah. I mean 339 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: if we look at it objectively, then we can tell 340 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: a few things. First, whatever it is people believe they're seeing, 341 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: they're agreeing that it doesn't have a protruding beak, which 342 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: would be one of the things indicative of a lot 343 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 1: of birds in the area. Also, the idea of for 344 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: ads to the concept of flying mammal like a bat, 345 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: but the well, the only true flying mammal. But but 346 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: I would note that if you're seeing this in the dark, 347 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 1: because the Ahul is known to be nocturnal, then the 348 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: fur might just look gray. You know what I mean, 349 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: Because it's dark, you're really depending on starlight and moonlight 350 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: by that point, because there's not an electricity grid out 351 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 1: there where a lot of these things are reportedly found. Well, 352 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 1: and are we sure it's for? Like, are you gonna 353 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: be right? How can you be told that it's for? 354 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: I guess um depends on what kind of flashlight you've got. Yeah, 355 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: So the information we have about this a whol comes 356 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: from really one book that we were able to find, seriously, 357 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: a single book and a single account that was not 358 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: first person, at least the author that wrote the book 359 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: didn't actually have this encounter. They're describing an account an encounter, 360 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: and this encounter supposedly a Western um naturalist who was 361 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: hanging out there. He's the son of some other prominent naturalist, 362 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: and he describes hearing the vocalization of the ahoul, as 363 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 1: well as seeing a creature you know that has this 364 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: gray fur, has claws, creepy looking maybe a monkey, maybe 365 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: a bat, maybe a a huge bird. We have to 366 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: talk about what happens when someone, let's say a Western 367 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,360 Speaker 1: explorer of some kind, is visiting a place that they're 368 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: not familiar with or they don't live there, and they're 369 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 1: having conversations with the indigenous people who do live there, 370 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,920 Speaker 1: and there are folklore tales about creatures out in the 371 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: woods or in the water, and when the westerner, you 372 00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: know here's about those stories, maybe they embellished them a 373 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: little bit. Maybe they view those stories as, oh, what's 374 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: a terrible word that got thrown around a lot around 375 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: these times in the Well, let's I guess the twentieth century, 376 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: nineteenth century exotic the term exotic, right, uh, And just 377 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: like that would be bandied a about. Um, it's so 378 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: strange and different. Well, I just wonder if that's maybe 379 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: what's happening here and what was really seen, if this 380 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: account is in fact true, it was just something that 381 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: lives out there that is natural and not monstrous at all, 382 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: with which they would be unfamiliar because again, there's a 383 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: vast array of animals that exists only in that region. 384 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: So if you are an explorer from the outside, you 385 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: would maybe be familiar with some analogs of that, like like, 386 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: if you're a European in this era, you would have 387 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: been aware of something like owls, but there's almost no 388 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: chance you would have been aware of other similar birds 389 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 1: in this area, you know. That's that's another part of 390 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: why so many, so many Europeans back in the day 391 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: believed that the African continent and the far East from 392 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: their perspective, were filled with monsters, because they would get 393 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: these reports that would change over time. Eventually someone with 394 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: a pen and paper would try to draw or carve, 395 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: you know, a representation of what the person is telling 396 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: them they heard from a person who heard from another 397 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: person on the Silk Road or whatever, and then boom unicorns. Yep, 398 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: that's how they were born, every time, from an obscure 399 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: drawing of a story from a friend of a friend 400 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: of a friend. Um. Alright, Ben, So here we go. First, 401 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: I want to show you this video, which is of 402 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: a specific owl species that is native to the island 403 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: of Java, and I think I want to at least 404 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,000 Speaker 1: propose to you that I think this might be our 405 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: our culprit for the ahool, this specific owl. And it's 406 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: because of the wingspan of this thing if you imagine 407 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 1: it coming at you, So that's a big owl and 408 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 1: it does look to me to be about the size 409 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: of a small child if you saw it up in 410 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 1: the trees. And then when it stretches its wings out. 411 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: Because it is relatively short, the wings look huge, and 412 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: I can imagine someone maybe misreporting, you know, oh it 413 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: was it's it's wings were ten ft long, man, But 414 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: in fact they are not quite that long, but they 415 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: are huge compared to the size of the body vertically. Okay, 416 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: And then here is the other reason why I think 417 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: it might be this owl, and it has to do 418 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: with the sound. Here we go, listen to this. Tell 419 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: me what you think. Oh, okay, so do you hear that. 420 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I hear. I hear ah and 421 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 1: then who ah oh. So this is the spotted wood 422 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: owl of Indonesia and Java. So I proposed that if 423 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 1: there were two of these owls in close proximity, let's say, 424 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: if it was mating season or something like that, and 425 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 1: they're both vocalizing with the ooh and the awe, you 426 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 1: may hear ah oo ah in a very strange way. 427 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: It's it's almost like it's coming from two different animals, 428 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: because it is. But it would feel spooky if it 429 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: was up above you, high in the tree line, and 430 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: then if one of them did swoop down upon you 431 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 1: with those huge wings, you would be freaked out and 432 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: probably run away, I would, and then you would tell 433 00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: stories about what you just experienced. If this is in 434 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 1: fact what the hool is, then it would be a 435 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: pretty mundane simple explanation. I'm not saying that it's definitely this. 436 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 1: I just wanted to put that out there because when 437 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: I stumbled upon the whole vocalization of the spotted owl, 438 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that feels right to me. Yeah, yeah, 439 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm tipped to agree. Also, let's keep in mind there's 440 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: not a ding on anyone. Let's keep in mind that 441 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: when people run away from stuff that surprises them and 442 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: they tell people about it later, human beings can have 443 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: a little bit of a tendency to embellish just to 444 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: make it look not you know, not like a craven action. 445 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: They don't want to look forwardly. So maybe this thing 446 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: becomes a little bit bigger each time you talk about it. Also, 447 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 1: people who are uh, not planning on observing something when 448 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: they just see it in the moment and they're running 449 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: and they feel like it's coming at them, then they're 450 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 1: not going to be the most reliable observers or witnesses. 451 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,239 Speaker 1: But again, we're just saying I think here, Matt, that 452 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: this is This feels like it could be a plausible explanation. Also, 453 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: if there were cryptids we use that term and set 454 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: of monsters. If there were cryptids on the surface of 455 00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: the planet still, then Indonesia would be a priz time 456 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: location to find them again due to the bio diversity 457 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: and density of the wild space there. Also, as we 458 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: have to say in every Crypted episode, if they're out there, 459 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: this is the most likely time in history that they 460 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: will be found. No, not just because of satellites which 461 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 1: can always penetrate jungle canopy, but more so because they're 462 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: just more humans going more places. That is correct. Well, 463 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: that's everything about the alban Uh. What else we got, Well, 464 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: we've got an ad break coming up, and after that 465 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: we're going to travel matt Uh not not too far 466 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: from Indonesia, and we have returned. We're packing our bags. 467 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: We're going to the Philippines. We're going to learn about 468 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: something that has captivated me for a long time called 469 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: the aswang. So the aswang a s w A n 470 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: g is according to Philippine folklore. It's so weird. It's 471 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: kind of a one size fits all evil shape shifter. It. 472 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: You know, if if we were going to be Steffaun 473 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: from Saturday Night Live. We would say it's got everything 474 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:24,560 Speaker 1: where will fangs like, can therapy, skin changing, drinking, blood, 475 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: eating flesh the asswong Uh. It doesn't have any consistent 476 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: image or description. Its appearance varies by region. They're often 477 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: characterized by hearsay, so you'll have um. You know, I 478 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 1: was talking to some older, older friends that I know 479 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: are really friends parents who are from the Philippines when 480 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: I first learned about this at a younger age, and 481 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: they didn't have These people who are older, they didn't 482 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: have their necessarily have their own firsthand encounter stories, but 483 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: they all had stories of someone that they knew and 484 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: trusted that had seen something that they would call in 485 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: a swan. And these creatures, then if they all have 486 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: if they're shape shifters, and if they have a variety 487 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: of appearances depending on where you're at, then we can 488 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: look to their habits. Their behavior define commonality in terms 489 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: of what defines an aswang. So they're nocturnal. It's another 490 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: piece of the vampire myth have got uh. Their powers 491 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: are greatly reduced in the day, which gives them a 492 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: near vampiric fear of light and sometimes they're described as 493 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: living in the wilderness or on the outskirts of society. 494 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: But then they're a little different from some monsters because 495 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: they can also live in close proximity with humans, even 496 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: in the confines of a village within it the same 497 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: way that you know, rats have adapted to living with people, 498 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: and there are reports of aswang attacks even in large, 499 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: heavily populated towns and cities. This ability to adapt, sort 500 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,959 Speaker 1: of like the Fox and the United Kingdom, while still 501 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 1: maintaining their dangerous nature, is one of the most distinguishing 502 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: features of them amongst uh, amongst the world of monsters. 503 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: They also don't like loud noise, so wakes in the 504 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: past would be really would be really brightly lit affairs 505 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: and sometimes noisy affairs to keep these things away. You 506 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: can think of it as an umbrella term. It's like 507 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: an aggregate of all these sinister, supernatural entities that are 508 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: just bumping in the night. My new favorite euphemism for 509 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: sexy times. UH. It doesn't have a ton of caveats 510 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: to its victims, right, It's just out to attack, spread 511 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: tragedy and evil in its wake. It's an agent of chaos. 512 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 1: But folkloreists have an anthropologist, to be fair, have studied 513 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: this phenomenon of aswang belief in detail, and they reached 514 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: some pretty interesting conclusions Matt about why people to some 515 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: degree still believe in creatures like this. First, this belief 516 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: is very very old. The first initial Spanish explorers hundreds 517 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: of years ago when they came to the Philippines, they 518 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: recognized how deeply locals feared this on a near universal level. 519 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 1: And secondly, the aswang may have come into existence as 520 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: a way of explaining otherwise inexplicable tragic deaths, right, especially 521 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,839 Speaker 1: child mortality. If we asked why it has so many 522 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:53,359 Speaker 1: conflicting descriptions, this gets pretty interesting because the Philippines are archipelagic, right, 523 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:59,560 Speaker 1: that's the culture. Like Indonesia, It's a nation uh made 524 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: by an o capelago, a bunch of small islands grouped together. 525 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 1: And so if you look at this ancient culture with 526 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: this vast array of islands and very very different communities 527 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: on each, then you'll see that while information is being 528 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: transmitted primarily through word of mouth again for most of 529 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: human history, the aswang became a kind of customizable, one 530 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: size fits all entity, and it can be tailored to 531 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: the concerns and fears and events of each local community. 532 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: So this means that the aswang became kind of a monster, 533 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: a terror for all people. And whatever the origins of it, 534 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: whatever this murky evolution, make no mistake. If you ask 535 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,360 Speaker 1: some people in the Philippines today, they may well assure 536 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: you the threat is real and have a story about 537 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: an encounter with one of these creatures. At this point, Matt, 538 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: I want to give a special shout out to all 539 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: of our listeners and the Filipino community, whether you're in 540 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,919 Speaker 1: the Philippines now or you spend time there or your 541 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: families from there, would love to hear from you if 542 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 1: you if you or a family member has a story 543 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,280 Speaker 1: about an aswang, and what you think about that story. 544 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: One eight three three std w y t K Conspiracy 545 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: Diehart Radio dot com. Let us know we're gonna move 546 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: quickly on this because I feel like someone will have 547 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,279 Speaker 1: a story about that way, man Um. Now let's go 548 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: to northern Africa to Zanzibar does something much newer, the 549 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 1: popo bawa. Have you heard about this one idea about okay? 550 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: Pop O baba is a Swahili term and if you 551 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 1: transliterate it then you'll see it means bat wing, Popo 552 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: means bat Bawo means wing. And just the way the 553 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: alhoul is sort of the uh an automata pia derived name. Right, Oh, 554 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 1: I forgot to mention this calling calling that creature in Indonesia. Now, 555 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 1: who is sort of like if you were to call 556 00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: a dog a bark bark? Right, that's a bow wow? Yes, 557 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: not a little bow wow, regular bow wow. I think 558 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: it just goes by bow wow. Now I haven't checked 559 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 1: on him in a minute. So this thing, this bo 560 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: bo bawa is a uh shape shifter as well. A 561 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,120 Speaker 1: lot of these are a shape shifter that has kind 562 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,279 Speaker 1: of a true form, and its true form is a 563 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: roughly humanoid hunched figure with gray skin, and it smells sulfurous. 564 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: So this one does have like some kind of associated 565 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: monsters smell the same way that people would associate demons 566 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: in popular culture with brimstone. Uh. It's really gross looking picture, 567 00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 1: a mixture of the old school no ferrato and a 568 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: cyclops from Greek mythology. It's got a huge mouth, lots 569 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,560 Speaker 1: of things. I hope this part makes it into the 570 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: YouTube because I'm doing a cool finger fang thing Uh. 571 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: And then it has one huge eye in the very 572 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,880 Speaker 1: center of its forehead. It's got these big wings that 573 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: it wraps around itself like a cape. So if you're 574 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,239 Speaker 1: familiar with the Wheel of Time series, Uh, this is 575 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,719 Speaker 1: similar to I think what's called the dreg car. Uh. 576 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: It looked like if you saw it walking around and 577 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: somehow got its lips over, it's crazy dental situation. You 578 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: might think it's just a hunched over dude in a 579 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: trench coat. Uh. It is also known for, and there 580 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: is a little not safer work snow, sometimes for killing people, 581 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:56,439 Speaker 1: but more so for assaulting them on a sexual level, 582 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,359 Speaker 1: and reputedly has a strong preference were males. And there's 583 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: a bunch of social commentary that goes into that which 584 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: is pretty fascinating. Some people have said that the Pope 585 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: o Bawa told them to tell people it assaulted them 586 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: and if it didn't, then it would threaten to kill 587 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:23,080 Speaker 1: them if if they didn't talk about it. Very strange, right, Yeah, 588 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:28,919 Speaker 1: that's weird. I have thoughts, but let's continue on a yeah. Yeah. 589 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: So in short, what you need to know about this 590 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: thing is that it is a rough customer, but it's 591 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: also very recent. It is not like the Swaan. It 592 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,520 Speaker 1: is not something that had been in the zeitgeist for 593 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: thousands of years potentially. The sightings of the Pope Obawa 594 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: date back to nineteen sixty five on an island called Pemba, 595 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: and these sightings began pretty much right after the island 596 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: had a political rep evolution, and then there were more 597 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: sightings in the nineteen seventies and it would pop back 598 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,560 Speaker 1: in like like. So in the nineteen eighties there was 599 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 1: a peak of sightings like a lot of people UH 600 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: felt they saw her encountered this Uh. Some more years 601 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:24,279 Speaker 1: passed and the pop up Popa Bawa again starts appearing periodically. 602 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,640 Speaker 1: There was a sight in two thousand seven. There have 603 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 1: been some more sightings since. There is an origin story 604 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:36,440 Speaker 1: which is interesting and it ties into belief in jin ideas. 605 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: There was a sheik in the nineteen seventies who released 606 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: a jinn as part of a vengeance operation. He wanted 607 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: to he wanted retribution against his neighbors. For some reason, 608 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: he lost control of the jinn, and the jinn in 609 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: turn lost its path and started doing demonic stuff right, 610 00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:03,360 Speaker 1: started making trouble and I found an interesting folklore r 611 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:10,439 Speaker 1: anthropological argument that Zanzibar because it had a past as 612 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: an Arab run slavery market, that Pope o Bawa maybe 613 00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,800 Speaker 1: what's called an articulate articulated social memory of the horrors 614 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,839 Speaker 1: of slavery. So again a cultural way of understanding very 615 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: real and very real atrocities. Uh. This because it's so recent, 616 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,719 Speaker 1: there's been some more Western attention on it too, you know, 617 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,600 Speaker 1: similar to the Screaming Girls of Malaysia. Check out our 618 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,160 Speaker 1: episode on that. Yeah, the Pope o Bawa can reportedly 619 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: possess people in This guy named Joe Nicol writing for 620 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: The Skeptical Enquirer who wants to figure out more about 621 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,000 Speaker 1: this phenomenon, and he associates it with something I don't 622 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: think this associated and will surprise you, Matt. He says, Okay, 623 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: this thing is getting into people's houses at night. They're powerless, 624 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,920 Speaker 1: they're paralyzed as it does all these terrible things to them. 625 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 1: He says, this reminds me a little bit of a 626 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:21,840 Speaker 1: phenomenon called sleep paralysis. Oh yeah, I can imagine that 627 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: this feeling of having large wings wrapped around you to 628 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: the point where you're unable to move, you're completely paralyzed. 629 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: You are being assaulted, uh, sexually or otherwise by this 630 00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: thing that is holding you down and won't let you go. 631 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: I can imagine that although I don't hear a lot 632 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 1: of sleep paralysis stories, maybe that's just me. I don't 633 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: hear a lot of them that are talking about assault specifically. 634 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: It's more like the fear of this thing approaching, in 635 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,360 Speaker 1: the possibility of it attacking, but never really the attack. 636 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: I don't I don't hear that very often mm hmmm. 637 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,920 Speaker 1: And the Pope Pope Bawa does seem to have a 638 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a type or a bit of a demographic. 639 00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 1: Aside from its preference for human males, it is also 640 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,400 Speaker 1: reportedly a bit of a cloud chaser, so it targets 641 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:18,240 Speaker 1: people who are openly skeptical, don't believe in evil spirits, 642 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 1: and warns its victims that they have to spread the 643 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 1: story of the attack. If they don't tell anyone, it 644 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,440 Speaker 1: will return and make them suffer all over again. Uh. 645 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:35,040 Speaker 1: It's it's strange because it comes from the older tradition 646 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: of belief in evil spirits called shitani uh and that 647 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: has existed for much much longer than this iteration. The 648 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 1: Pope o Bawa and apparently just because of the the 649 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: threat of targeting nonbelievers. A lot of local people for 650 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: many decades would not publicly deny the existence of this thing, 651 00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: even if they were personally uh not convinced it was real, 652 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: because you know, it's like the it's the way a 653 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of people treat superstitions. You know, why walk under 654 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,360 Speaker 1: the ladder if you don't have to write? Why purposely 655 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,759 Speaker 1: cross the path of the black cat? And so on? 656 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: This thing has been the cause of not one, but 657 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: multiple outbreaks of mass hysteria mass uh psychogenic events seventy two. 658 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:33,120 Speaker 1: It's big. That's where the skeptical inquirer gets involved, two thousand, 659 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:40,319 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Uh. This also, this creature, oddly enough, 660 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:46,880 Speaker 1: seems to have a finger, a talent on the pulse 661 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: of national elections. Because get this, that's when citing spike 662 00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,759 Speaker 1: right around voting time. How could that be beneficial? Though, 663 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:01,040 Speaker 1: like the person who currently has power is supported by 664 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,759 Speaker 1: this thing that's attacking people. So weird, right? And then 665 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: also the other thing about it is that what I 666 00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:14,960 Speaker 1: saw statements about that, and it does look like I mean, 667 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,640 Speaker 1: as factual reported sightings spike around those elections. But when 668 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,360 Speaker 1: I what I looked into, people believed in it to 669 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: various degrees. A lot of people go out of the 670 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,000 Speaker 1: way to say it's a political even though it's the 671 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: sightings are tied to elections. So this is uh. I 672 00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: don't know how many how many of our fellow listeners 673 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: have experience in Zanzibar or have been to the island 674 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: of Pemba, but let us know if you have heard 675 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,919 Speaker 1: about something like this, let us know what you think 676 00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,960 Speaker 1: it might be. It's also quite possible in this case, 677 00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: given those very humanlike concerns, that this could be a 678 00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: person or group of people who have taken on the 679 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:07,959 Speaker 1: mantle of of some sort of supernatural entity, which would 680 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,719 Speaker 1: not be unprecedented in the story of human civilization. And 681 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 1: so we want to hear from you. Contact us about these, 682 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,439 Speaker 1: Contact us about other examples of monsters that people seem 683 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: to genuinely believe in here in the modern day. These 684 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,160 Speaker 1: are just a few examples, I mean, Matt, we haven't 685 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,960 Speaker 1: even gotten to the pitch All Perry of Pakistan, the 686 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: Dion of India, the bond Jackry or bon Jacquarini of Nepal. 687 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: We may need to make this a three parter. If 688 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 1: you're down. What do you think. Yeah, let's uh, let's 689 00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: make more monster movies in the form of podcast. Yes, 690 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: and then let's also make a monster movie. I've got 691 00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: to do z ideas. We were doing a little bit 692 00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,200 Speaker 1: of video stuff in the recent past, and Matt, it 693 00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: just felt so good too to get back in the 694 00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: field with you. Man Um, I noticed that you and 695 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,680 Speaker 1: I didn't do a two person bit yet, So we've 696 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,120 Speaker 1: got to make that happen. We haven't. I don't think 697 00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,200 Speaker 1: we have. Okay, we will make that happen. Oh, come on, okay, 698 00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: I only if you want to. I will tell tell 699 00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,239 Speaker 1: me how to like bribe you. How can I how 700 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,840 Speaker 1: can I make it worthwhile? No? No, I just I 701 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 1: think we don't know why we haven't yet. I think 702 00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,560 Speaker 1: maybe it always feels like it needs to be either 703 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: Noel or Matt. Does that make sense. We'll figure it out. 704 00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: We'll figure it out. Yeah, we've gotta get you and no, like, 705 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:40,040 Speaker 1: what are we talking about? Well, uh, we will tell you. 706 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:44,400 Speaker 1: Tell us what you think, especially if your community, or 707 00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,360 Speaker 1: your region, or your neck of the global woods is 708 00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: home to a monster people genuinely believe is real. If 709 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,160 Speaker 1: you want to see some of the stuff we're we're mentioning. 710 00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:58,120 Speaker 1: Then you can find Matt, Noel and yours truly on 711 00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 1: social media. We've been putting out some promotional reels. Uh, 712 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,439 Speaker 1: you know we have Uh I want to speak from Noel, 713 00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: but Matt, I know you. All three of us are 714 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,919 Speaker 1: fans of sketch comedy, and you and I are conspiring 715 00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:17,760 Speaker 1: to bring a little more sketch comedy in the world 716 00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: if possible. It might be a matter of schedule, they 717 00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: but hopefully we could get to it in the meantime. Yeah, 718 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,600 Speaker 1: check out check out what we're doing on YouTube, Instagram. 719 00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,760 Speaker 1: You can find us on Facebook. 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