WEBVTT - Indictment Watch 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.520 Good morning, keeps, and welcome to WIKA, a daily with 0:00:14.600 --> 0:00:18.640 Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody. Recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:22.840 let me tell you something. This show has been prerecorded 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.880 with my friend MSNBC legal analyst and the host of 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:31.639 Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner. As we are awaiting, we're on 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:38.480 indictment watch for Donald Trump and associates. Now, I don't 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.600 want us to hold our breath around this, right, and 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.159 this is how I get into the conversation with Glenn, 0:00:44.159 --> 0:00:45.879 which is that you know, for those of you who 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.520 have been listening to the show for the past couple 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:51.880 of years, Glenn has been coming on weekly, right, laying 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:56.160 out all of the legal ease and all of the 0:00:56.240 --> 0:01:01.560 investigation surrounding Donald Trump and company. It's years, friends, and 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:05.559 you know, every couple of months we find out new 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:09.720 egregious criminal activity that has gone on, whether it's inside 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:14.000 of the administration, whether it was previous to Donald Trump 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.600 becoming president. We know that everything that this man touches 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:22.240 this shit. But somehow he remains a freeman, you know, 0:01:22.319 --> 0:01:27.280 and that is evidenced by our injustice system. Because if 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.039 Donald Trump were any other person, if he were a woman, 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:33.880 If he were a gay person, If he were black, 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.399 we know he'd be dead, so let's not even go there. 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.000 If he were Latin next, if he were any other 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:43.600 a part of any other identity groups outside of being 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:51.120 a rich, white, sis hetero man who is also the 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:55.200 former president of the United States, even being twice impeached, 0:01:55.720 --> 0:02:00.800 even with the man admitting his crimes on fucking audio, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.040 whether it's I can grab them by the pussy, whether 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.440 it is find me eleven seven hundred and forty votes though, 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:11.120 and we'll do the rest. I mean, I don't know 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.440 what else Donald Trump would have to do. But you know, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:18.600 the other day, I was watching Alex Wagner on MSNBC 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:23.120 and she says the truest thing that I have ever heard. 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.200 She was the only true statement that has ever come 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.240 out of Donald Trump's mouth is that he could shoot 0:02:29.280 --> 0:02:32.840 somebody in the middle of Fifth Avenue and watch his 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:37.720 poll numbers rise. He also would still be a freeman, 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:43.600 and somehow an investigation would be opened against the person 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.280 that he shot. As opposed to Donald Trump, I'm so 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:52.600 fucking tired of bombshell report over here and bombshell had 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:55.280 line over here, and oh my god, can you believe this, 0:02:55.960 --> 0:03:03.040 Because without indictments, without a tryal, all of this is 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:05.880 in fact a fucking witch hunt, right, Not in the 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:08.080 way that Donald Trump says that it's a witch hunt, 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:12.120 as if there is no factual evidence that shows criminal activity. 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.560 But if you're not going to actually persecute a person 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:24.000 who is essentially a political mob boss, lying, stealing, grifting 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.919 in broad fucking daylight and on tape, and you can't 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.600 nail this motherfucker, then everything that you are doing is 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:40.200 just a dog and pony show. It doesn't have any merit, right. 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:45.600 It gives you the perception of justice, the perception that 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:48.320 nobody is above the law. But if you can't convict 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:55.160 someone like Donald Trump, who is caught on tape committing 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.360 fucking crimes, and you continue to raise the bar, raise 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:02.080 the bar, raise the bar where he brought the bar 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:07.040 of democracy and of justice to the fucking sewer, that 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:12.320 now we've turned the bar into a plunger. I don't 0:04:12.400 --> 0:04:18.240 know where we go, but I know that the direction 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:26.400 that America, our justice system, our democracy, our social safety nets, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:36.599 our freedom is all being rolled backwards. And without indictments, 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:44.479 without conviction, without accountability, America will free fall off the 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:48.760 cliff that we are hanging on to with our fucking fingernails. 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:54.240 Coming up next my conversation with our friend Glenn Kirshner 0:04:55.800 --> 0:05:00.839 that what happens if and when Donald Trump is indicted? 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:07.680 What can we expect if anything? Folks, you know that 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:11.479 whenever I have the opportunity to have our friend MSNBC 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:14.839 legal analysts and the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner, 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.520 joined woke f I am thrilled, particularly at a time folks, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:22.039 we are prerecording this, but as reports are coming out, 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.479 we don't know if it's gossip, i's real reports. Who knows, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:32.159 but possible indictments for Donald Trump are imminent and that 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:36.760 is illegal term and Glenn, I want to start out 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:40.040 with the fact that we've been hearing a lot in 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:43.880 the media from Michael Cohen again, Donald Trump's former lawyer, 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:48.480 who went to jail for his former boss because of 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:54.719 payments that were given to Stormy Daniels and escort by 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.080 Michael Cohen. Two Stormy Daniels on behalf of Donald Trump. 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.760 Both of them have been before for Manhattan Grand Jury. 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:09.000 Give us the cliff notes, the reminder, the review on 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:14.119 what entanglement we are looking at when we're looking at 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.719 the Manhattan District Attorney's case right now, so Daniellett feels 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:23.600 like Alvin Bragg's shop. His prosecutors are at the absolute 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.200 end stage of the grand jury investigation into the hush 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:31.480 money payments to Stormy Daniels. The reason I say that 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:35.560 is because the most important witness, Michael Cohen, who was 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:40.960 Donald Trump's co conspirator. He committed these crimes with Donald Trump, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.720 at the direction of Donald Trump and for the benefit 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:46.520 of Donald Trump. He went to prison six or seven 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.400 years ago. Donald Trump has yet to be held accountable. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.839 Feels like we have two systems of justice at work there. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:57.520 But because they have now placed him before the grand 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:02.839 jury for two days, and they also have interviewed Stormy Daniels, 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.800 We're not sure the reporting was it was a zoom interview. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:07.960 We don't know if she's been presented to the grand jury. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.560 She is actually not nearly as important as Michael coe 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.360 and the co conspirator. He can bring kind of the 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.640 inside baseball to the crime that he and the crimes 0:07:17.920 --> 0:07:20.760 that he and Donald Trump committed together. But you know what, 0:07:21.000 --> 0:07:23.720 really the most important data point that tells me that 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:26.560 they are at the absolute end of their investigation. Is 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.200 they invited Donald Trump to come in and testify before 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.120 the grand jury. Danielle, First of all, we rarely do it. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.520 We don't do it in violent crime cases. We do 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.000 it in these large white collar crime cases sometimes. And 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:41.680 what we do is we give the target of the 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:46.080 investigation the opportunity to come address the grand jurors and say, 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:49.400 ladies and gentlemen, prosecutors have it all wrong. I didn't 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.360 do anything wrong. I didn't commit any crimes. Not surprisingly, 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.240 Donald Trump did not take the prosecutors up on that invitation. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.600 So there really doesn't seem to be anything left for 0:08:01.720 --> 0:08:04.600 brag or his team to do other than ask the 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.480 grand jury to vote out indictments against Donald Trump. What 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:12.920 nobody knows at this moment is precisely what charges will 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:16.600 be included in that indictment. We have heard lots about 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:22.560 falsifying business records, which undoubtedly Trump and Cohen did because 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.440 they lied and said that these were legal expenses. Well, no, 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:31.840 they weren't. But the concern here is that falsifying business 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.040 records under New York law is only a misdemeanor, and 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:38.000 there's no way Donald Trump as a former president of 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:42.079 the United States is going to face a single misdemeanor count. 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.760 Nobody's going to indict a president for that. But the 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.160 law of New York also provides that if you're falsifying 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:52.960 business records to either facilitate other crimes or to cover 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:57.080 up other crimes, or both, well, then now they have 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:02.320 blossomed into felony crimes. So what I suspect is when 0:09:02.360 --> 0:09:06.160 we see this indictment, it will probably include three four 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:11.480 five separate counts. One will be falsifying business records, but 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:15.360 you may have campaign finance violations of New York state law. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:19.520 You're almost certainly going to have violations of the tax 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:23.520 laws of New York because Trump falsely tried to take 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.480 these things as business deductions when they were hush money payoffs. 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.800 So you know, all of this I think is soon 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:34.319 to be revealed. As you say, we're pretaping this, so 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:36.920 you know, by the time it's out, maybe the indictment 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.160 will already have issued. But that's when a lot of 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:44.719 these questions can get answered concretely. What I think is 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:47.640 really important to lay out, which is what you just did, 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:52.680 is state that we've been waiting for years at this point, 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:57.079 right from the find me eleven seven hundred and forty 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:02.959 some odd votes to the lie about the election, to 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:05.600 the Stormy Daniel case. We've been waiting for years, and 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.000 I think to the point that you just made, which 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:11.559 is that we've been waiting because there's been a lot 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.600 of fear about what does it mean to indict a 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:21.080 former twice impeached president of the United States. So the assumption, then, Glenn, 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:25.559 is that if there are whispers now that an indictment 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:30.720 is imminent, it isn't gonna be some low balling stuff, right, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:36.320 It isn't gonna be some lightlifting indictments. So the question 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.520 that I have for you is, again, we don't know 0:10:39.640 --> 0:10:44.920 exactly what they will be, but would your assumption be 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:50.280 that it would carry some charges, some criminal charges, meaning 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:55.120 that if Donald Trump goes to trial, jail time would 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:56.880 be a part of this. Or are we looking at 0:10:56.880 --> 0:11:00.480 a situation which is what we saw with New York 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.240 Attorney General Tish James, which is all of these civil 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.920 suits that is about a fine. So the good news 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:12.400 is the Manhattan District Attorney's Office, Alvin Bragg's shop is 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:16.400 exclusively in the business of bringing criminal cases that will 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:21.200 carry at least the possibility of imprisonment, whereas Tish James 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:26.240 deals almost exclusively, not exclusively, but almost exclusively with civil 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:30.920 matters which are about money, which are about fines and penalties, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:35.560 back taxes, and she can do certain things like bar 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:39.120 people from doing business in New York, sitting on boards 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.280 in New York, that sort of thing. So once this 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.720 indictment drops, it will almost certainly include felony charges that 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.640 will carry with it the possibility of imprisonment. Now, whether 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.960 a judge is going to be up to the task 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.839 of incarcerating a former president of the United States is 0:11:56.840 --> 0:12:00.480 an open question. I sure as hell hope the judge is. 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.960 Because if you go through all of this angst and 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:09.479 all you do is sentenced Donald Trump for these consequential 0:12:09.520 --> 0:12:14.319 crimes to home detention, for example, you are sentencing him 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:17.680 to stream Netflix and get DoorDash. That's no kind of 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.720 punishment and it's no kind of deterrent for a future 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.920 high government official who wants to break the laws of 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:29.559 the United States for any reason, including trying to unlawfully 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:33.080 retain power. But here's the other thing. We may see 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.840 a series of indictments coming out of Alvin Bragg's shop, 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:40.160 Because even if the first indictment is only about the 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:44.040 Stormy Daniel's hush money payments and all of the crimes 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.959 that can be charged as part of that criminal scheme, 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:49.000 and as I say, there may be four or five 0:12:49.280 --> 0:12:53.920 or more crimes that can be pulled together in one indictment, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:57.000 I don't think that's the end of the road for 0:12:57.080 --> 0:13:00.560 Donald Trump. Criminally. The reason I say that is because 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:04.120 we know that Alvin Bragg flinched when it came to 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:09.840 bringing charges against Donald Trump. When his prosecutors Pomranson done 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.439 recommended that he'd do that. They told him, we've been 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.559 investigating him for more than a year, we've got the goods, 0:13:16.720 --> 0:13:19.440 we've got enough to convict him, and Bragg said, Nope, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.120 not gonna do it. We don't quite know why that is, 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.199 but it may be that, you know, he hadn't been 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.520 in the job that long. He wanted to take a 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.440 step back. He wanted to really absorb for himself what 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.160 the universe of evidence was. What he opted to do 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:39.120 at that point, Danielle was only indict the Trump organization 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.559 right for a fifteen year long criminal scheme to defraud 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:47.440 in the first degree massive systemic tax fraud and he 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.600 went to trial in that case. What did that give 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.400 him the opportunity to preview? It gave him the opportunity 0:13:54.440 --> 0:13:58.120 to preview all of the witnesses who testified in the 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:03.679 Trump organization prosecution that would also have to testify against 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:08.160 Donald Trump if he ended up being criminally indicted for 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:13.000 that same fifteen year long massive tax fraud scheme that 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:15.360 you know he was running as the top of his 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:20.280 own dang organization. So maybe he was looking at the 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.680 Trump Org prosecution to be his trial run kicked the 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.400 tires of the witnesses, and those witnesses held up because 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:32.760 the Trump organization got convicted across the board of everything. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.720 I have a feeling after this first indictment drops the 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:39.760 hush money payment indictment, you may then see a second 0:14:39.880 --> 0:14:45.040 indictment drop for the whole shebang everything Donald Trump did 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:53.120 while he was heading up Trump Org. How does Alan Weisselberg, 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.360 Trump's former COO, who was also convicted right and is 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:03.040 currently serving time, how does he play into possibly being 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:08.520 used as a witness against Donald Trump? Because he's been 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.840 COO of this company for over a decade I think 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.680 close to two, and we know that he was convicted, 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.360 how does he play here? So here's how he plays 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:22.920 in Remember, Alvin Bragg cut him an incredibly sweetheart deal 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:29.480 because he was indicted on multiple felony charges, including that 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.040 same fifteen year long criminal scheme to defraud in the 0:15:33.120 --> 0:15:36.800 first degree. He pleaded guilty to it all, and he 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:43.320 got this incredible sweetheart deal. He would serve only five months, 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:47.160 which drops down to one hundred days in jail with 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:51.200 credit for good time served. He walked away having committed 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.680 massive fraud and getting only the tiniest possible sentence. Now, 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:57.920 I don't want to be cavalier about it. One hundred 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.160 days or five months in Rikers is no picnic, right, 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.320 But that is all he had to do as a 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:08.080 result of his guilty plea, and he testified at the 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.040 trump Board trial. But it sounds like he played games. 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.120 As we say in DC, he played the fifties. He 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:18.040 had one foot in both camps, one in the prosecution's camp, 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:22.560 one in Donald Trump's camp. So here is now Bragg's 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.680 decision that he has to make with regard to Allen Weiselberg. 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.280 Do I continue to try to use him as a 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:33.080 really crummy cooperating witness the way I used him in 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.200 the Trump Board case. Or now that I have kicked 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.000 the tires of all of the other witnesses that would 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:42.320 have to testify against Donald Trump if I indicted him 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:48.280 for the fraud, should I also indict Alan Weisselberg along 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:53.000 with Donald Trump both again, So both of them are 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.600 sitting at defense table for the next round of trials. 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:00.520 And you know what, Weisselberg got himself a taste of 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.080 the inside of Rikers and I'll bet he didn't like it. 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.159 And this time he may say, you know what, I 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:10.800 don't want to be indicted again. I will completely flip 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.200 against Donald Trump. So you know, all of this could 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.760 certainly be three dimensional chess. Maybe that's what Bragg has 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:21.600 been doing. Maybe not. I think we have to wait 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.200 and see and what do we think Glenn again, because 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:31.280 I just want to remind folks there are multiple investigations 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:34.880 going on in Trump world. You just ran through New York, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.160 which we think is the one that is most likely 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:40.240 with the whispering that is happening. There is also Fannie 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:44.840 Willis in Georgia in Fulton County. Now, one of the 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:49.200 reasons why I think that it could be Georgia going first, 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:55.520 as opposed to Manhattan DA Alvin bragg Is because the 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.640 Republican Party just voted right to be able to replace 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.840 district attorney anywhere in the state that they don't like. Well, 0:18:03.840 --> 0:18:06.960 there's only one district attorney in the state of Georgia 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:10.959 that is currently investigating one of their cronies. So and 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:14.399 they don't care about how things actually look. This version 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:19.000 of the Republican Party, you know, optics be damned. Will 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.480 it shock us all or will it just be like, 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.000 you know, six of one, half a dozen of the other. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.119 If it's Fannie Willis that goes first, and this is 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.280 about the fake electors and the find me eleven seven 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:35.080 hundred and forty votes, it won't shock me because it 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:38.280 feels like they are neck and neck right now with 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.840 respect to where Bragg is in his investigation at the 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.240 tail end, where District Attorney Fannie Willis is in her 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:48.480 investigation at the tail end. And I'll tell you what 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:55.119 the Atlanta Journal Constitution published yesterday was pretty blockbuster because 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:58.199 they interviewed five more of the Grand jurors. And I 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:02.679 urge everybody to go to the Atlanta Journal Constitution read 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:07.160 the deep dive piece because they interviewed these five grand jurors, 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:12.560 and the article started with, you know, some real ugliness 0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:16.359 because they talked about Mike Flynn being called before the 0:19:16.480 --> 0:19:20.320 grand jury to testify. They had to bring bomb sniffing 0:19:20.440 --> 0:19:24.520 dogs into the courthouse into the grand jury room to 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:29.520 make sure none of Mike Flynn's associates had done anything dirty. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:35.320 They had marshals and deputy sheriffs with automatic weapons out 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.720 in front of the courthouse, on the courthouse steps, the 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.200 Fulton County Courthouse to make sure none of Mike Flynn's 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:46.640 supporters did anything And the article started with, you know, 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:52.720 the authors, the reporters recounting how a treasonist former army 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:57.159 general who pleaded guilty not once but twice to line 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:00.879 to the FBI, and who was then part by a 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:04.719 corrupt president who also happened to be his criminal associate, 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.200 walked into that Georgia grand jury and pled the Fifth 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.879 in vote, this fifth Amendment right against self incrimination to 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.280 cover up the crimes of Donald Trump. This is Donald 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:20.600 Trump's America. But then the article starts recounting the experience 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.639 of these twenty three jurors who put their lives on 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:27.960 hold for eight months to do the extraordinarily hard and 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:33.119 important work of evaluating the evidence against Donald Trump and 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.560 his criminal associates. I urge everybody to read it, because 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.919 when you can almost hear the voices of these Grand jurors, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:45.400 they said things like I would go into my car 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.400 at the end of every day and I would cry 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.679 because of what I was learning inside that Grand jury 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:56.280 room regarding guys like Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani and 0:20:56.440 --> 0:21:01.600 how they devastated the lives of people like Shay Moss 0:21:01.960 --> 0:21:07.000 and Ruby Freeman and others. And they said, we took 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:10.000 our job so seriously because we knew we had to 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:14.320 get this right and listen to their stories, and they 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:16.959 were allowed to give these interviews. They didn't do anything improper. 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:19.800 But if you read that article and then it ends 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:23.040 with a quote from one of the Grand jurors that says, 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:28.320 what's coming, It's gonna be massive. It's gonna be massive. 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:33.280 The Grand jurors said it twice. This leads me to believe, Danielle, 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:37.200 that we're not gonna see a bunch of sort of singles, 0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.920 standalone indictments of a handful of people. We're going to 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:44.720 see a big, old conspiracy indictment probably a Rico conspiracy 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.800 indictment out of Fannie Willis. And I think part of 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:51.320 the reason we haven't seen that indictment yet because remember 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.480 five six weeks ago, she said her charging decisions were 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:59.639 imminent anytime. I am preparing to indict a conspiracy a 0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:03.320 whole bunch of defendants Before I do it, what I 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:06.000 do is I go to each defendant through their defense team, 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.680 obviously right, and I say, you have one last opportunity. 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.960 You want to see your name as a marquee defendant 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:15.879 on this big old indictment that is about to drop, 0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:20.000 or do you want to make a different decision plead guilty, 0:22:20.440 --> 0:22:24.520 flip and agree to testify truthfully against all the other 0:22:24.600 --> 0:22:28.920 co defendants. That may be what Fonnie Willis is doing 0:22:29.040 --> 0:22:33.480 right now before she ultimately drops this big old indictment. 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:35.640 But which one is going to drop first? I think 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:37.520 it's a push. I don't know if we're going to 0:22:37.560 --> 0:22:41.040 see New York first or Georgia first. Let me stick 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.600 with Georgia for a second, because I want to get 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:47.800 your thoughts on what it is that the Republicans in 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.600 Georgia are trying to do. So I want to set 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.560 up a scenario, which I think is a fairly real one, 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:59.680 which is that let's say, you know this week that 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:05.800 it is Georgia, that Fannie Willis drops a stealth net 0:23:06.280 --> 0:23:12.320 over Trump, Graham, Flynn, Juliani, you know, run through all 0:23:12.480 --> 0:23:16.040 the names of the co conspirators, and then the GOP 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:20.359 comes in and fires her. So, first of all, I 0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.399 haven't done a deep dive into the particulars of the 0:23:23.480 --> 0:23:27.200 new Georgia legislation, but based on what I have reviewed, 0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:31.560 it looks like that process that they would have to 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:35.320 pursue to ultimately try to remove a district attorney will 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.040 actually take some time to play out. I don't think 0:23:38.080 --> 0:23:42.040 it's a sure thing. I also continue to have faith 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:45.960 in most of our courts, in most of our judiciary 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.520 that they would strike something like that down. So I 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:54.000 don't think, yes, it's a concern, because what the Republicans 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:58.600 have learned is they can weaponize legislation for their own 0:23:58.680 --> 0:24:02.800 nefarious political purposes in a way that we've never really 0:24:02.880 --> 0:24:05.840 seen before. You know, I don't want to get off track, 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.840 but you know, the Democrats sit there and they're like, well, 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:14.320 we can't really do much about the proliferation of automatic 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.880 weapons because the Second Amendment. We can't really do much 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:22.000 about hate speech that's designed and intended and likely to 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.360 incite imminent violence because we've got this fifty year old 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:29.120 precedent called the Brandenburg Test. Do you think the Republicans 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:33.560 sit around and say we can't revoc a woman's constitutional 0:24:33.600 --> 0:24:37.919 privacy rights because Roe v. Wade. No, they just do it. 0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:41.199 We should be doing the same thing. We should be 0:24:41.240 --> 0:24:45.639 doing it, honestly, but in a very forward leading manner, 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:49.880 and then we go into court and defend the legislation 0:24:50.160 --> 0:24:54.000 or the executive order or the executive branch agency regulation 0:24:54.440 --> 0:24:56.639 that we pass to try to do good. Trump and 0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.000 company do it for evil. The Republicans are doing it 0:24:59.040 --> 0:25:01.639 for evil. We can do the same thing for good 0:25:02.000 --> 0:25:06.480 without violating the Constitution. But you know, we don't seem 0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.560 to be willing to fight that way for reasons I'll 0:25:08.560 --> 0:25:11.000 never understand. But so I don't think it's a done 0:25:11.000 --> 0:25:13.680 deal that even though this legislation has passed, and I 0:25:13.760 --> 0:25:16.600 guess it's been signed into law now by the governor, 0:25:17.200 --> 0:25:19.280 I don't think it's a done deal that they will 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:24.440 succeed in yanking Fannie willis out of that job. So 0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:28.439 last question for you, Glenn. Again, folks, we are pretaping this, 0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.920 so at the time of you listening, the indictments could 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:34.879 have absolutely dropped. We don't know. But Glenn, here's a 0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:39.720 question that I have, which is headlines, all of our 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:43.440 phones blink and blink and blinkin right, it has happened. 0:25:45.600 --> 0:25:48.520 What do you think goes on outside of our front doors? 0:25:48.840 --> 0:25:52.240 You know you're sitting in you know, the DMV in 0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:56.280 the DC metro area. We know these people stormed the 0:25:56.359 --> 0:26:00.840 Capitol Building on behalf of a lie. Right, what do 0:26:00.880 --> 0:26:04.919 you think that the sentiment, the air, the energy in 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:10.040 our country is if and when this actually happens, popping 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:16.040 corks nationwide, Marty Grass, That's literally, that is literally what 0:26:16.119 --> 0:26:19.640 I believe will happen. You're gonna see partying in the 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:25.920 streets because accountability has finally come to a criminal former president. Now, 0:26:26.200 --> 0:26:30.000 will there be pockets of violence. But here's the thing, Yeah, 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:33.720 January six was lightning in a bottle because that's when 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:37.119 Donald Trump had all of his power on his platform 0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:39.840 and the whole Republican Party behind him to kind of 0:26:39.880 --> 0:26:43.439 support his come to DC on January six will be 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:47.000 wild mission to try to violently overturn the results of 0:26:47.040 --> 0:26:49.520 an election. I don't think you can get that lightning 0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.400 back in the bottle. That doesn't mean you won't see 0:26:52.440 --> 0:26:55.679 pockets of violence. What I fear is that Donald Trump 0:26:55.680 --> 0:26:59.960 will use his third rate social media platform, the true 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:02.760 social which I love because when he posts something it 0:27:02.800 --> 0:27:07.480