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Speaker 1: Anti trust lawsuits, Oh yeah, that yeah, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: that in just a second.

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Speaker 2: Eighth three oh five point fifty one eight eight eighty

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Speaker 1: Sheeet At one bit, I think I'm the only one laughing.

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Speaker 2: They're not laughing at the Park Avenue in New York.

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Speaker 1: They're not laughing at two twelve Park Avenue, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I wonder And if you haven't heard, the NFL lost

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Speaker 1: an anti trust lawsuit for four point seven billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Now it'll go on appeal, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: lost stuff, lawyer stuff that has to go on now.

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Speaker 1: But if, for instance, and there's talk like this thing

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Speaker 1: might because of the anti trust laws, it may be.

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Speaker 2: Tripled the judgment amount.

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Speaker 1: Yes, right, so okay, so say spin it as bad

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Speaker 2: Can get fourteen point four billion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody's kind of got to lose their job over that,

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Speaker 1: don't they? At least one person? Like, somebody has to, like,

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Speaker 1: I mean, is it the is it not? If it's

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Speaker 1: tripled and it's fourteen point what doesn't like Roger have

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Speaker 1: Doesn't he have to like, doesn't it just something?

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Speaker 2: Don't he just sign an extension last year? But does this.

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Speaker 1: No, but fourteen point seven.

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Speaker 2: Billions to nullify his contract because of some clause.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it does or not, but

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Speaker 1: certainly he used up any good will he had, right,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, they're gonna appeal. I mean, I think we

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Speaker 2: know that.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing. But that's what I'm saying. If it,

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Speaker 1: if it goes as bad as it could go, somebody

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Speaker 2: You would think heads are gonna roll. Yeah eah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because you know, billionaires like money.

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Speaker 1: So in fourteen point seven billion, even for the even

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Speaker 2: An entity as large and as prosperous as the NFL

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Speaker 2: that is, that's big money.

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Speaker 1: That is big money.

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Speaker 2: But let's bring everybody up to speed on that story.

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Speaker 2: First and foremost, what's next for the NFL in this

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Speaker 2: Sunday ticket case. The ruling comes down yesterday in a

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Speaker 2: California federal court. The jury issues the verdict that finds

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Speaker 2: NFL is charged with a four point eight billion dollar judgment. Now,

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Speaker 2: everybody under the sun believes that the NFL is going

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Speaker 2: to appeal this, but under antitrust law, the four point

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Speaker 2: Ticket case could be tripled to fourteen point four billion.

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Speaker 2: So the jury awards ninety six million dollars to the

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Speaker 2: past case law and the nineteen sixty one Broadcasting Act.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure they're going to appeal because they don't

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Speaker 2: According to some sports law experts, they're less worried about

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Speaker 2: that's a huge blow. But if they ever had to

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Speaker 2: They believe the more dire consequences if the court says

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Speaker 2: what the Sports Broadcasting Act allows.

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Speaker 1: Which means they won't. They won't be able to like

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Speaker 1: the Bills and the the AFC and the NFC and

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Speaker 1: the NFL won't be able to take, Hey, here's all

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Speaker 1: our games. You can broadcast them for this much money.

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Speaker 1: What it will mean is somebody will have to commit

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Speaker 1: and say, hey, the Bills games have to they can

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Speaker 1: you can have this. You can have the right to

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Speaker 1: broadcast the Bills games and that's it, or the AFC

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Speaker 1: hard time finding these games because every team could be

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Speaker 2: And I guess NFL fans who aren't used to the

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Speaker 2: you had the Peacock game, right, you had the Black

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Speaker 1: Every single game is going to be like that could be,

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Speaker 1: I mean under certain.

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Speaker 2: So probably headed in that direction. How quickly remains to

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Speaker 2: be seen. But this is the case. Law involved here

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Speaker 2: is going to be very interesting. I would anticipate the

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Speaker 2: NFL is going to appeal this decision, although they were

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Speaker 2: are going to be proposing, and they've already fallen flat

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Speaker 2: in the Ninth Circuit. So it may go all the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court has to agree to hear the case. You know,

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Speaker 2: you can appeal, appeal, appeal, but Supreme Court says your

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Speaker 2: appeal sucks.

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Speaker 1: They don't take it right. But yes, they could dismiss

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Speaker 1: Four points two billion and change is a ton of money.

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Speaker 2: Now here's the thing that could work in their favor.

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Speaker 2: So Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh once wrote that the NFL

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Speaker 2: and its member teams operate as a joint venture. Therefore,

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Speaker 2: anti trust law does not require that the NFL and

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Speaker 2: its members teams compete against each other with respect to

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Speaker 2: television rights. So that would be an argument against breaking

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Speaker 2: them up into pieces. Since they are and that deemed

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Speaker 1: That does seem accurate, right, I mean, they share revenues,

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Speaker 1: they split television, split television rights. They they allow the

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Speaker 1: lesser teams to draft before the greater teams in any

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Speaker 1: given year.

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Speaker 2: There is it provides competitive right.

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Speaker 1: Which has been one of the reasons the league has

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Speaker 1: no question about it. How far that goes in affecting

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Speaker 1: what they're able to do. It remains in question.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, we've got someone that wants to chime in on

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Speaker 2: this subject. So we'll go to the phones and we'll

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Speaker 2: go to tom Over on the West side. What do

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Speaker 2: you got first time?

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, gentlemen, Steve, Steve, it's a great day to

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Speaker 3: go going for the after work. Yeah, okay, listen. I

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Speaker 3: find your topic in interesting because I never bought the

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Speaker 3: I don't want to watch every game. I don't need

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Speaker 3: the year. But they should set it up like a

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Speaker 3: pay review so that instead of buying the whole package,

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Speaker 3: you could share the revenue even between pay Review and

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Speaker 3: the market said own the rights to the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that is that is one way to

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Speaker 2: package like they do with the ticket which is currently

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Speaker 2: on YouTube TV right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can get the here's the thing

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Speaker 1: that you're right, You only you can only watch one

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Speaker 1: the regular broadcast. All of that stuff is in play

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Speaker 1: there's like a sensibly it could be sixteen games going on,

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Speaker 1: so there's different ways to package it and the way

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Speaker 1: they the crux the problem is, and think about them

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Speaker 1: they didn't allow somebody else to bid on it. That's

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Speaker 2: That's the main.

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Speaker 1: That's the main crux to the problem. So somebody else

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Speaker 1: could have paid more and charged less theoretically.

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Speaker 2: And there and the NFL is saying, well, we didn't

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Speaker 2: the six nineteen sixty one Broadcasting Act, this means of

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Speaker 2: broadcasting did not fall under the antitrust umbrella. So they're

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Speaker 1: Joe schmu for schmucks like me, I would kind of

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Speaker 1: agree with the NFL say, well, listen, they said we

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Speaker 1: could do this with TV. Let's just do what we've

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Speaker 1: been doing for fifty years. And they said not so fast.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got somebody else that wants to ask about

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Speaker 2: this case. Uh, we'll do our best. We are not

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Speaker 2: legal experts by any means. But we go to Jordan

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Speaker 2: in North Carolina. What do you got for us? Jordan?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 5: All nationally televised.

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Speaker 5: But for some reason, we were just getting Bills games

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, which is not the way it used to be,

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Speaker 5: I mean, so I called Google and they gave me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it gets punished for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I said I said, I go, I don't get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you give that exact lie? Jordan to the

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Speaker 1: That's good. I love true because absolutely I had never

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Speaker 2: The I have Josh Allen on my team, miss can

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Speaker 1: Google gave him thirty bucks?

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Speaker 1: I think the guy hit work Google gave him thirty bucks.

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Speaker 2: Out of it, squeaky wheel, Jordan.

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Speaker 1: Well done, wait to go. That's that's nice, but that

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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought about that. You get the ticket and

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Speaker 2: If it gets if that number gets tripled to fourteen

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Speaker 2: paying damages, the breakdown for thirty two teams becomes almost

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Speaker 1: That slices that that goes against the salary cap for revenues,

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Speaker 2: It's practically two years worth of the cap. It's two

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Speaker 2: It's what two fifty something right.

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Speaker 1: Now, two fifty five and point four. So if it's

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Speaker 2: Well, if it's fourteen point four billion, it's oh or

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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty million per teen or fifty per damages.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that means, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's almost two years of cap.

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Speaker 1: The CAP's gonna get crushed crushed.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Does it fall under revenue if you're

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Speaker 1: Goes against the rev.

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Speaker 2: It goes against so it comes out of your rev.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, let's see I don't know if

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Speaker 2: Just wondering if I'm wondering if the NFL has a

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Speaker 1: You know, I ain't. That's what the damnybody left in

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Speaker 1: the kit. That's like the damn broke fund, not the well.

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Speaker 2: Right, that's like flood water more than a ray.

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Speaker 1: More than a rainy day. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend to know how that all works,

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Speaker 2: but I don't either. It's gonna go through appeals. There

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Speaker 2: isn't going to be anything finalized on this. I wouldn't

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Speaker 2: they're going to probably try to settle. You would think, well,

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Speaker 2: oh no, the judgments already been made.

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Speaker 1: One of my fichmen, they don't need to settle. It's done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they went to trial.

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Speaker 2: Be interesting, Yeah, be interesting. I'm telling you that all

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Speaker 1: If I'm an owner, I'm hot, Well.

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Speaker 2: It's going to dramatically affect the bottom line.

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Speaker 1: Buddy, somebody should have you know, somebody's lights should have

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Speaker 1: been on for that. Yeah, we're not. I mean, you've

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Speaker 2: Making well the biggest advance.

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Speaker 1: He's making three dozen million, four dozen million a year.

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Speaker 1: We need to have somebody, you know, saying, hey, wait

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Speaker 1: a minute, somebody's got to be on the payroll illegal

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Speaker 1: and say no, guys, we got to put this out forbid, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, as far as Commissioner Goodell's tenure is concerned

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Speaker 1: And you know his tenure has been marked by financial

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty compelling to see where this is

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Speaker 2: going to go. We know it's going to appeal, but

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Speaker 2: is that going to change anything? Is what's interesting. Based

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Speaker 2: on the judgment yesterday in a California federal court, back

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Speaker 2: to the phones into Paul in Arizona, what do you

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Speaker 2: got for us? Paul?

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Speaker 4: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Guys?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for taking my call. Hey, I I'm with the

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Speaker 4: this past year because they had so many national games on, right,

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Speaker 4: and I've got a couple of things. I never paid

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Speaker 4: always called I've been doing this for years with a

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Speaker 4: baseball package too. You call up and say you're threatening

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean you can always will you can always

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not about it's not about the fact

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Speaker 1: at all, right, because they didn't give the marketplace a

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Speaker 1: it's not It's not what Direct TV charged you is

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Speaker 1: the That's not the problem. The problem is that YouTube

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Speaker 2: Those Yeah, and when this whole deal started, they didn't

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Speaker 1: We've all been there. You call the place up and say,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm done, it's just not worth it,

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Speaker 1: and they go, how about if we knock off this

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Speaker 1: much and throw this in? We've all been there?

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Speaker 2: Could I change your mind if I again?

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Speaker 1: If I? Yes, could I change your mind if I

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Speaker 1: secretly give it to you for.

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Speaker 2: Free and sent you a free toaster?

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Speaker 3: That's right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've all been there.

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Speaker 2: But isn't that the only time you feel you really

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Speaker 6: I mean, negotiate it's good with it feels good. It

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Speaker 2: Nice I stuck it to the man.

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Speaker 1: There, I got ten dollars off.

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Speaker 2: I'm saving eighteen dollars a month on my bill. How

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Speaker 2: about that, I am I'm still paying a hundred and

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Speaker 1: Come here, let me tell you what I just did.

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Speaker 1: Listen to this old God.

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Speaker 2: Just give me a second while I pat myself on

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Speaker 2: the back of It's true. Yeah, for a fleeting moment,

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Speaker 2: you feel like you have some semblance of power. Let's

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Speaker 2: get to some of the other though. I mean, if

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Speaker 2: which incidentally is presented by Kalida Healthy, official healthcare system

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Speaker 2: It's all about who I am and being the best

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's that's a guy saying all the

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: It's true though, I mean, there's there is a reason

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Speaker 2: In that interview, he also revealed that he worked out

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Speaker 2: I've been in Green Bay. I hit him up, told

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Speaker 1: We're good.

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Speaker 2: right when Mini caamp was breaking, saying he wanted to

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Speaker 2: get the group together to get some workouts in as

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Speaker 2: well prior to training camp on their own time. So

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Speaker 2: hopefully that happened as well.

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Speaker 1: But if you can't remember, he's four years with the Packers,

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Speaker 1: two years with the Chiefs, and he's never had more

446
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Speaker 1: than thirty eight receptions no. Forty two forty two seas

447
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Speaker 1: in a season forty two with the Chiefs in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two twenty one. Last year the Packers, he had

449
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Speaker 1: two seasons with thirty plus catches. You know. So he's

450
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Speaker 1: been a role player every place he's been. And it's

451
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Speaker 1: not And for those of you are wondering or maybe

452
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Speaker 1: roll your eyes or raising your eyebrows about him working

453
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Speaker 1: out with Aaron Rodgers, don't friends are friends whether you're

454
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Speaker 1: playing on the team or not. You look you hook up.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean back in the day we

456
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Speaker 1: were playing golf with guys in the offseason. It's just

457
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Speaker 1: a normal thing working out with him because they're guys,

458
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Speaker 1: they're friends, so that's not a big deal, and it's

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Speaker 1: actually probably good that, you know, you got found a

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Speaker 1: quality guy to work out with.

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Speaker 2: Chris Jones. Steve didn't partake in a single training camp

462
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Speaker 2: practice last year while holding out for a new contract.

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Speaker 2: This time around, he is hoping to take more days

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Speaker 2: off from camp. Thirty year old defensive tackle is coming

465
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Speaker 2: off his second straight All Pro campaign and believe some

466
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Speaker 2: light work in the dog days this summer could prove beneficial.

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Speaker 2: He basically talked to head coach Andy Reid and is

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Speaker 2: waiting to see what the decision is. Here's your direct

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Speaker 2: quote from Chris Jones. I've already been talking to Andy

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Speaker 2: about letting me skip out on training camp little older right.

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Speaker 2: I can feel it. I can feel when we have

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Speaker 2: a day on training camp, give me like two days off,

473
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Speaker 2: one day on, and then maybe we can work something out,

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Speaker 2: you know. Jones said he's still awaiting Andy Reid's final

475
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Speaker 2: answer when he asked what was his response he said,

476
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Speaker 2: he just looked at me. So the conversation is still ongoing. Now,

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Speaker 2: this does kind of remind us a little bit of

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Speaker 2: Bruce in his later years of training camp. There were

479
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Speaker 2: a lot of days off for Bruce. Now, Bruce was

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Speaker 2: maybe a little bit more clever than Chris Jones because

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Speaker 2: Bruce would get his knee scoped in mid July, you know,

482
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Speaker 2: so physically he could not practice. But I remember the

483
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Speaker 2: media kind of used to smirk a little bit at

484
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Speaker 2: some of the tactics of Bruce when he.

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Speaker 1: Would Yeah, it was kind of transparent.

486
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Speaker 2: Sitting to practice here, sitting to practice there.

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Speaker 1: And here's the He get these guys to a certain

488
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Speaker 1: point of their career and they're like, dude, I don't

489
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Speaker 1: want to do it. It's hard to go out and

490
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Speaker 1: myself haven't I Yeah, And what is he gonna get

491
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Speaker 1: out of going out there, particularly in the run up,

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Speaker 1: in the in the days without pads and all of that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's just no I'm not gonna say no value,

494
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Speaker 1: but I think it's a diminishing return when you get

495
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Speaker 1: a guy who's thirty years old plus, what's he gonna

496
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Speaker 1: How much better is that gonna make him to go

497
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Speaker 1: out there and take those reps rather than just stand

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Speaker 1: there or sit on a stool and watch.

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Speaker 2: I think there are some coaches that would feel that

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Speaker 2: allowing one guy to sit out runs counter to the

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Speaker 2: team mentality.

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Speaker 1: Well, you tell those guys if there are a two

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Speaker 1: time all Pro, I'll let you sit out too, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and see what happens.

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Speaker 2: That's the way you can kind of counter that argument.

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Speaker 2: And Jones is, and this has probably been the case

507
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Speaker 2: for each of the last five years, is there most

508
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Speaker 2: valuable defensive player? And to me, it's not close.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not close. He's really good and it's not

510
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Speaker 1: gonna stop being good whether he takes half a training

511
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Speaker 1: camp reps or whatever. But Andy Reid, by the same token,

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid's got, you know, eighty nine other guys to

513
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Speaker 1: worry about on the team as well. And if you

514
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Speaker 1: have a guy the caliber of Chris Jones who's out

515
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: there holding nothing back and going one hundred percent, it

516
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Speaker 1: elevates the whole roster. It really does. When you've got it.

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Speaker 1: When you've got a guy like Bruce or Thurman Thomas

518
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Speaker 1: or Jim Kelly or Andre you know those guys like

519
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: the Beatles, you got you know, and they're out there

520
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 1: busting a hump. Everybody else knows. They're after those guys.

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Speaker 1: Everybody else can get kicked out the door. Nobody's gonna

522
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Speaker 1: miss you, so you better match that. That's the kind

523
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Speaker 1: of way. That's what truly great players do. That's what

524
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Speaker 1: they do. Did that, but only after the roster was set.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna he wasn't gonna elevate you know, you

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Speaker 1: know Tommy schmeg mahoyten. He didn't care if Tommy he

527
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Speaker 1: did not Yes, he did not care if Tommy schmeg

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Speaker 1: Mahoyten was the best version of himself. Right when you

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Speaker 1: got the guys who were going to actually help Bruce

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Speaker 1: play on the field, he showed up, showed up big.

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Speaker 1: And I was teasing him over the last weekend when

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, he he was there for the

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Speaker 1: guys who were gonna be on the team. He if

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Speaker 1: you weren't gonna make the team, he had, you know,

535
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Speaker 1: he didn't feel like, you know, I'm not gonna waste it.

536
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Speaker 1: So but Thurman never thought like that. Andre didn't think

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Speaker 1: like that. Neithered the gym. Those three guys showed up,

538
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: so did Cornelie Bennett, and Darryl Talley. We had some guys,

539
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: so some established guys who were grinders. You know, the

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00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: team practiced at a high level. That's what happens when

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Speaker 1: you get guys like Chris Jones and can't say Andy

542
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Speaker 1: reci They're going, dude, you could really help the guy,

543
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: these guys by setting the pace, showing them what's up,

544
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Speaker 1: showing them how the great ones do it. It is

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Speaker 1: a big ask, though, when you got a guy, listen,

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Speaker 1: I'm two time All Pro bro. I don't need to

547
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,479
Speaker 1: take reps in short I don't need to take reps

548
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Speaker 1: in shorts and a walk through just you know, you

549
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: know it's it's it's two sides of that story. And

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Speaker 1: that's why football is really really unique. Guys as soon

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00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: as you give them a chance, they want to take

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Speaker 1: it out of gear because it hurts. I mean, I

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00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: ain't no two ways about it. It hurts, so they

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00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: shut it. That's in games you can see teams do that.

555
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: They get up by twenty points and all of a

556
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: sudden they win by one. They win by one because

557
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: the other team turns it on and they turn it off.

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00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: That's all. That's the only difference there is. Yeah, and

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00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 1: now they you know, they eke it out at the

560
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: end that because they every chance you give them, they're

561
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: gonna take it out of gear because it hurts. So

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Speaker 1: you get a guy going to training came he said, dude,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do it, just you know, give

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Speaker 1: me a week.

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Speaker 2: So he's looking for two days off, one day on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so twit it quit to like that's his opening salvo.

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00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: Give me how about how about right then? How about

568
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: one day on, one day off? And then Andy'll say,

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Speaker 1: how about one day on, two days on, two days on,

570
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: one day off, two days on, one day off. How

571
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: about that? And you know that's where the conversation goes.

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Speaker 2: We have to take a break here, but we are

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Speaker 2: taking your phone calls. So when we come back, Paul

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Speaker 2: in Kentucky, Dari and Amhurst, we'll get to you. And

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Speaker 2: this OBL fan mail Bag Friday Here on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 2: presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right

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Speaker 2: back here on one Bill's Live an OBL fan mail

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Speaker 2: Bag Friday. Any question you got laying honest? Eight o

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Speaker 2: three oh five fifty one eighty eight five fifty two,

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Speaker 2: five fifty Those are the numbers to get on board,

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Speaker 2: and we go to the phones now and to Paul

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Speaker 2: in Kentucky. What do you got first? Paul?

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Speaker 7: Hi, guys, I was just wondering, is this all about

584
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 7: Direct TV because they had the package, like, yes, forever

585
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 7: since like what ninety six, ninety eight when they first

586
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 7: came out, and they had they owned it until until

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Speaker 7: just last year when YouTube took it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is a Direct TV case. Yes, it doesn't

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00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: impact YouTube TV's package right now. This is going back

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Speaker 2: to directtv's package and how that whole agreement came to pass.

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Speaker 7: So basically they're they're bringing this out now because they

592
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Speaker 7: lost the package to YouTube TV.

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Speaker 2: Well no they didn't. You know, it's bar owners and

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Speaker 2: residential customers that had a class action suit. It was

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Speaker 2: initially dismissed and then a year or two later it

596
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 2: was brought back by a court, an appeals court, and

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Speaker 2: the class action suit was allowed to proceed. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: so this is this is where we are now. The

599
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 2: judgment was just handed down. So forty eight thousand bar

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Speaker 2: owners and I think over two hundred thousand residential customers

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Speaker 2: are going to get paid unless there's an overturn of

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Speaker 2: the case on appeal.

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Speaker 1: It's more than that. It's it's ninety eight.

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Speaker 7: Nice living for since ever since they came out with it.

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Speaker 7: I mean it would be nice. I mean YouTube TV

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Speaker 7: didn't do as much favors and costs though either. I

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Speaker 7: mean they're they're kind of sticking it to everybody too.

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Speaker 7: It's like I kind of go with the one guy

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Speaker 7: from Carolina that said, you know you should pay for

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Speaker 7: kind of what what you actually use, you know, do

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Speaker 7: it on like a pay per view type thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting and it may get to that

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Speaker 1: someday where you know you'll be able to just have

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Speaker 1: a flat rate for every game, no matter what it is,

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00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: from year to year. But you know then they'll premium.

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Speaker 1: They'll premium rice level it, just like they do with

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Speaker 1: every sport, and you have to pay.

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Speaker 2: So all you'll be as long as you signed up

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Speaker 2: for the mailing you probably got about this class action lawsuit,

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Speaker 2: if you filled out the paperwork and send it back,

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Speaker 2: as long as that judgment goes through and fails on

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Speaker 2: appeal for the NFL, you're getting some money. You'll be

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Speaker 2: getting some money. So especially since I mean he's in Kentucky,

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Speaker 2: He's like, we don't get we're not in an NFL market.

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Speaker 2: He's like, so right, I got it. He said he

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Speaker 2: had it since the beginning, He's had it for twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they could, Yeah, they could be right across the

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Speaker 1: river from Cincinnati. I guess, yeah, yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: That's but if you're in Frankfort, Kentucky, you're not in

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Speaker 2: an NFL market, you know what I mean. He's been

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Speaker 2: using it for twenty years. He would fall unto the

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Speaker 2: category of these residential customers that are going to get

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Speaker 2: awarded some money if the case, if the judgment holds up,

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Speaker 2: on appeal to dari and Amherst, what you got for us?

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Speaker 2: You're on One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 8: Hi, guys, thanks for having me on the show. Just

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Speaker 8: want to weigh in on the Chris Jones thing. Well,

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Speaker 8: it's unpopular in Buffalo to say I'm a fan of Jones.

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Speaker 8: I can kind of weigh in on the fact that

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Speaker 8: he had been on an interview where he was talking

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Speaker 8: about when he held out last year and he said

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Speaker 8: it was the best thing he ever did. And you know,

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Speaker 8: I think his argument, I don't know how serious he is.

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Speaker 8: I think he's going to try to push Andy Reid

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Speaker 8: a little bit on it. But I don't think he's

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Speaker 8: going to get away with it. But he was saying,

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Speaker 8: in other words, I held out and I got to

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Speaker 8: stay in Miami, and I worked out, and I laid

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Speaker 8: on the beach, and you know, I did all of

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Speaker 8: that and I felt great. And I think his complaint

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Speaker 8: is probably most of the other players are as well,

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Speaker 8: the Bills especially too. You know, they have to go

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Speaker 8: to a college and they're in a dorm and you

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Speaker 8: know it's hot. And his argument was, I did really well,

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Speaker 8: and you know, I don't need to be in Saint Joseph,

656
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 8: Missouri and sweltering. And but on the flip side of that,

657
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 8: and I don't think it's so much about him being

658
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 8: you know, thinking he's entitled. I think on the flip

659
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 8: side of it, too, is you know, it's more comfortable

660
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 8: for him. He got to stay with his family, et cetera,

661
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 8: and he had a great season. But Andy Reid, you know,

662
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 8: were any coach, it's not just about them. It's going

663
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 8: to have to set a precedent because they're going to

664
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 8: need those guys there. And once you do it for one,

665
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 8: then the other ones are going to want it. So

666
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,760
Speaker 8: it's not a good thing. And I think Chris Jones

667
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 8: kind of is like that kid trying to get away

668
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 8: with it, but you know your parents are going to

669
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 8: say no, but doesn't hurt to ask. And the other

670
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 8: thing I wanted, you know, to weigh in on too,

671
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 8: is that I think that the Bills getting MVS is

672
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 8: really a good pick up. I know, I had seen

673
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 8: on some of the Facebook pages people were laughing and

674
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 8: you know, whatever he had drops through for the Chiefs

675
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 8: throughout the season, but if you look back, he was

676
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 8: pretty clutch for them, you know, in the playoffs and

677
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 8: obvious super Bowl. So you know, I think it's it's

678
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 8: a good fit for the Bills and I think he

679
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 8: will bring He will bring a lot of speed and

680
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 8: I think he will you know, I will get along

681
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 8: good with Josh Allen from everything I've heard about him

682
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 8: in watching some of the Chiefs games, et cetera. He's

683
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 8: a great guy and I think he'll add to the

684
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 8: locker room. You know, he'll be a positive force. So

685
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 8: that's all I wanted to say.

686
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: Thanks, that's good stuff. Yeah, and you're right. It didn't

687
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: sound even in the article that Chris Jones was like

688
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: hell bent on not practicing. He sounded like he's floated

689
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: out and see what Andy he's and he just looked

690
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: at Yeah, it was a total test balloon. And I

691
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: and I don't And Chris Jones does not have the

692
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: ad the reputation of being one of those guys that's

693
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: ready to check out, you know, every chance he gets.

694
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Speaker 1: And I'll say this too, it's like it's like Tua

695
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: in Miami. He led the league in passing and now

696
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,320
Speaker 1: it's time for a contract. Let's go. Yeah, Chris Jones

697
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: is a two time All Pro defensive tackle. Who's you know,

698
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: who's getting it done at the highest level for the

699
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: team that won back to back World championships. Let's go

700
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: give me. And he's not even asking for Condry. He says,

701
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: let's give me a couple days off, So yeah, I

702
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: get it. Andy Reid looking at him, saying, you know,

703
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: I think, knowing what we know about Andy Reid from

704
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: a thousand miles away, I think his players love the guy.

705
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: I think they play hard for him, and he's a

706
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: player's coach. So I think Chris Jones knows he can

707
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 1: get away with the question even if he doesn't like

708
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: the answer, but he's going to ask it. So yeah,

709
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm with you and MVS as a bill. Well, let's

710
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: see that's great. I hope it's everything you think it is, Darry,

711
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: and you may be right.

712
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: I think what we have to do regarding Mark wes

713
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: Valdez Scantling is look at his body of work as

714
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: a professional and try to accurately formulate appropriate expectations for

715
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: what would get from him if he makes the roster.

716
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 2: This is a guy that has never had more than

717
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: forty He's never hit forty five receptions in a season,

718
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: and that I think we all know equates to like

719
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: two or three catches a week. He's a down the field,

720
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: big play threat with speed to burn. And you're gonna

721
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: have to take your goose egg weeks with your two

722
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 2: for eighty five and a forty five yard touchdown week,

723
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: because if you're going into this expecting MVS to give

724
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: you five for eighty five and a touchdown every week,

725
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 2: you're gonna be disappointed. That's not who he is. He

726
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 2: is two for one hundred and ten and a touchdown

727
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: one week, and then he might be one for fourteen

728
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: the next week, and then he might be three for

729
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: eighty nine and a touchdown the next week, and he

730
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: might be zero for you know, three targets.

731
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: Like, here's the thing he's got for seasons, he's I

732
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: hate to say, he's very close to exactly what gab.

733
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: Day Davis was. The only difference is MVS. If he

734
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: makes this roster, is going to be the fourth receiver

735
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,399
Speaker 2: on the depth chart, not the second right, and that's

736
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: where he should be. That's right, and that's where Gabe

737
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 2: Davis should have been based on the production.

738
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, Gabe Davis had two seasons of thirty five.

739
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: His first year as a rookie, he was the fourth

740
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: receiver on this roster in thirty five catches and whatever

741
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 2: it was yardage wise, and seven touchdowns. That's good from

742
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: your number four receiver. It's not good from your number

743
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: two receiver.

744
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: Gabe Davis had forty eight receptions once forty five his

745
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: first year, then forty eight, and then he had two

746
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: seasons back to back that we're thirty five each. When

747
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: you would think he would be getting better, he actually

748
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: was going to say this not as good the second

749
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: one with more targets, with more targets. Yeah so, and.

750
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: Their catch rates are very similar too, they're right around

751
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 2: fifty percent.

752
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

753
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's where you're at spectations.

754
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: That's the lateral trade right there. So when you bring

755
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 1: in other guys and draft other guys like Keon Coleman

756
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: and Mac Hollins and Chase Claypool and Curtis Samuel, Curtis

757
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: Samuel and kJ Hamler, you know those numbers. If he

758
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: practices like those numbers, those numbers and that practice may

759
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: not get him into a higher level of may not be.

760
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: On the roster, especially if one of those two other

761
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: guys elevates. Right, So he's not a lock to be

762
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 2: on this roster either. Training camp in the preseason is

763
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: going to go a long way, and determining who four, five,

764
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: and six are at the receiver.

765
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: It's hard to know because you got guys like Curtis

766
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: Samuel in here who's been catching passes from Sam Howell

767
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: and Carson Wentz and Taylor Heineke and Teddy Bridgewater and

768
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: Kyle Allen. You know, you think when he starts catching

769
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: balls from Josh Allen, he's gonna look different. Now, you

770
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: can make the same argument for MVS, but he had

771
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: two years of Pat Mahomes and he didn't get any better.

772
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: Well, and don't forget Curtis Samuel was the highest investment

773
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: made in a white receiver this offseason and free agency

774
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 2: by the Bills, and the offensive coordinator already knows his

775
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: strengths and weaknesses having worked with him in Carolina, and.

776
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: They also he's got a leg up walking in the door.

777
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: And there's also another guy in Keon Coleman, who they

778
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: drafted thirty third overall. Yeah, so yeah, I mean, it's

779
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: that's what you're up against. That's what he's up against.

780
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the guy can't play or he's not

781
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: gonna he may, but it's a very competitive room for

782
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: a couple of spots that are wide open. And it's

783
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: a team and a general manager who have brought in

784
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: guys to really compete, and it's gonna be all your guys.

785
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: All these guys are going to be pushing everything they

786
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: have to the center of the table to try and

787
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: make this roster because this is listen, this is an

788
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: opportunity like none other. Man. This is You've got an

789
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: all time great quarterback, You've got a team that has

790
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: won four division titles in a row. They've gotten they've

791
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: won a playoff game each of the last four years.

792
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: I mean, they're you know, they've got plans and you

793
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: you are pushing all your chips to the table to

794
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: try and get in on that bus, to get a

795
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: front seat on that bus. All these guys are So

796
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 1: it's whoever does make it out of this training camp,

797
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: it's gonna be because they earned it. Because there's gonna

798
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: be a lot of guys trying to take everything they can.

799
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: That's just the that's just the atmosphere of competition in

800
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: an NFL training camp, and this year it is heightened

801
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,720
Speaker 1: because there's no position, there's no there's no Steph Diggs

802
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: over there taking you know what, I'm gonna take this

803
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: rep and guys stepping away letting him in. You know,

804
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: it's a rotation and you get you get your chance,

805
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: and here's your opportunity, you know, and that's it. You

806
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: gotta sit down and watch everybody else take theirs.

807
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: Break time for us here. We'll try to squeeze in

808
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: a question or two from the mail bag when we

809
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 2: return here on One Bill's Live. Stay with us here

810
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: All One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve tas with you.

811
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Speaker 2: One final segment to go, and we got to dive

812
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 2: into the OBL fan Friday mail Bag, and Frank asks,

813
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: with the additional cap space we have, do the Bills

814
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: go defense, corner, linebacker, D line, or go and make

815
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 2: a move for another proven wide receiver. I would be

816
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 2: inclined to go corner because I don't think there's as

817
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: much depth there as some of the other positions. There's

818
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: depth of D line, there's depth of linebacker. I think

819
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 2: you can make an argument for safety, but I think

820
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: corner is where you would add if you do it

821
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 2: on defense, I don't think you go it for another

822
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: wide receiver, do you?

823
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 6: No?

824
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: I would agree No. I think they like their wide

825
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: receiver room. I think they like the chemistry of it

826
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: and the talent pool. I'm with you.

827
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: I think I in short of somebody shaking loose out

828
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: of the trees that you weren't expecting.

829
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: Right right, I mean if you yeah, if there's an

830
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: eye popping deal and a needle mover, yeah, okay. But

831
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: I think corner is the place where you might think

832
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: about it because of like you said, I mean, you

833
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 1: got Rasul Douglass, you got Kyrie Elam and Benford Christ Benford.

834
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: Then you got rookies behind them, yeah, drafted.

835
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you got, Yeah, then you got some

836
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: guys you don't know Iron Brown. Now there might be

837
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: some guys in there that who and OTA's and Mini

838
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: Camp have said, well, he's got the athletic ability. We'll see,

839
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 1: you know, and then they can give him some time.

840
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: They might have some hope for him. But even if

841
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: they do have one of those guys like and one

842
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 1: more guy would be really really good.

843
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some interesting veteran names out there. I mean,

844
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: you've got Stefan Gilmour, Xavian Howard. They're probably too expensive.

845
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: Patrick Peterson, you know, I don't know.

846
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean you get gave Moreau one of those guys

847
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 1: coming there one year, one year deal for decent money.

848
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: Maybe they would the only other place you might use

849
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 2: that money. The extra money you have under the keys,

850
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 2: sign somebody an extension for somebody, act like Greg Russell.

851
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: That's it for us this week. We're dark. Next week,

852
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: no shows for us. We'll see you the following week.

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Speaker 2: Enjoy the fourth everybody,