1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Y'all. I heard my guests tonight say I bullied the bullies. 2 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: I knew then we were gonna be friends. I like 3 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: this guy. His code name is Pale Horse. Scott Payne 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: is a retired at the Agent, an undercover expert, and 5 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: an author. Scott, Welcome to Zone seven. 6 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me on now. 7 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you that's the shortest intro I've ever done, 8 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: and that was on purpose because I ain't trying to 9 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: give nothing away before I can get you to talk. 10 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: You've had a little bit of a colorful career there. 11 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: Tell me about the base. Who were they? 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 2: Well, the base is We're still seeing a lot of it. 13 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: Law enforcement still see a lot of it right now. 14 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: The base is a it was a group that I 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: was the primary undercover, but the FBI and several of 16 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: our world working partners across the pond, we're working people 17 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: that were members of it. And it's kind of a 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: newer age idea for white supremacy. It ties into accelerationism. 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: So it's not it's not what you see with like 20 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: KKK or it's not your grandpa it's white supremacy. It's 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: it's like I mean, young it's neo Nazi, so they 22 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 2: still want Hitler's Germany. But they believe that there's not 23 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: a political solution that's going to save the white race. 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: They believe that society is going to either collapse on 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 2: its own or for man made events, and they want 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 2: to speed it up, hence accelerate it. It kind of 27 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: the ideology was somewhere there in the eighties with a 28 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: group called The Order, but they didn't call it that, 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: but just picture like Doomsday Prepper meets militia, not not 30 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: legit good militia, but James Day Prepper meets militia, meets 31 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 2: white supremacy, and they are There's a book called Siege 32 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: that was written by James Mason. James Mason's a long 33 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 2: time white supremacist, neo Nazi, and they kind of take 34 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: that and use it as their ideology. It's more of 35 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 2: guerrilla warfare tactics. So they're not going to be on 36 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,839 Speaker 2: the street with picket signs screaming racial slurs. They don't 37 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: want to be seen like that. They're going to go 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: do silent hits. You're going to see maybe a water 39 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: system poison, maybe a power grid taken down, a derailed train, 40 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 2: the murders of anti fascist Jewish non whites. Things like that. 41 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: You know, when you're describing just who these folks are 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: and you're like, it's militia meets this, meets this, meets this. 43 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Every single one of those by themselves is a problem, 44 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: ken Ben. 45 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, to have. 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: Multiple, you know, ideologies that are swirled together. 47 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 2: So you also see a darker side when I let's see, 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: we infiltrated them in twenty nineteen. We took it down 49 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: in January of twenty twenty, so the base was pretty 50 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 2: much defunct. There was a couple of stragglers and they 51 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: picked them up on some other charges later. But the leader, 52 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: Ronaldo and Nazarro, is an American citizen born American citizen, 53 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: Villan novigrad, former army contracted under DOJ somewhere, got radicalized 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: and now he resides in Saint Petersburg, Russia. I did 55 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 2: just see an article pop up where he's trying to 56 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: rekindle the base, but he's pushing more for people in 57 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 2: Russia to flip be on the base and fight against Ukraine. 58 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: But there's a darker side. So when we started going 59 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: into those kind of groups where I started hearing about them, 60 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: you know, Adam Waffen Base. They were kind of considered 61 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: cringe in a lot of the white nationalism crews or 62 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 2: you know plas like if you're on a telegram channel 63 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: or something like that. But see again, we took it 64 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: down in twenty twenty. So by twenty I mean I 65 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 2: retired in June twenty one, so somewhere between twenty twenty 66 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 2: and twenty twenty one, if you went in like ninety 67 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 2: plus percent of the white nationalist groups, we're all identifying 68 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 2: as accelerationists, and that's not good. And then if you 69 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: scratch at the surface, you will probably in each accelerationist 70 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 2: group you will probably find somebody that's of like an 71 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: order of nine angles. So that's even a darker part, 72 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: which has a satanic side to it. And now you've 73 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: got seven sixty four out there. So seven six four 74 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: were apparently I don't have my thumb on the pulse. 75 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 2: I'm not in the FBI anymore, but I read word 76 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: each field office. Everybody had a case up and on 77 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: a seven sixty four member, and I started looking into it. 78 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 2: At first, I thought, oh, it's just human trafficking and pedophilia, 79 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 2: which is horrific in his own way. But then I 80 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 2: started looking and I was talking to some cops and 81 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: retired agents and task force officers, and they started describing 82 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: to me what seven six four was, and I was like, 83 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's acceleration as a'm mego exactly. And 84 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: I said, is there a satanic side to it? Like 85 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: nine to a? And they said so, the seven six 86 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 2: four crews are doing even more horrific stuff, Like it's 87 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: still a neo Nazi accelerationist view, but they are big 88 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 2: on pedophilia, they are big on torture, rape. They're radicalizing 89 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: kids online or they're grooming them like through roadblocks these 90 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,119 Speaker 2: kids games like Minecraft stuff like that, and they're getting 91 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: a lot of what they call twins, like young boys, 92 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 2: and they will get them maybe do something sexual on 93 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 2: the camera. And now they're at sex storting them. But 94 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: they're actually setting up live watch parties for people to 95 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: cut themselves, like slice their through their fat and they 96 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 2: call that a bean because if you cut a navy bean, 97 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,840 Speaker 2: open white, and that's the way fat looks. It's just 98 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 2: it's disgusting this stuff that's there. 99 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: What is seven six four stand for? 100 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: It was the area code the guy that created it, 101 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 2: and that's I guess it's a zero code out of 102 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 2: Texas somewhere. 103 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: What happened to you Halloween night of twenty nineteen. I 104 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: love that you laugh? Now, Yeah, I imagine it would 105 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: take me a minute. 106 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was in the base. I can't remember 107 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: how many months we've been in. At that point, the 108 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: case really went fast. I mean it went from like 109 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: we went in and I got in in July, and 110 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: I mean now we're identifying through me and other avenues. 111 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 2: It's like we're identifying more and more targets all across 112 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: the country. And you know south that we had members 113 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 2: from the base in South Africa, Canada, Australia, Germany, UK, 114 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: It's just everywhere, because I mean you got technology, you 115 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 2: got a phone, you get shrinks the world pretty quick. 116 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: But we were having what some would refer to as 117 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: a hate camp. So we had several members coming into 118 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: Georgia where my celle was at C E L L. 119 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: I know, I got a country accent. They're like, what 120 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: sale you know, I'm like, no, not s A L E. 121 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 2: It's the jack Wagon. But but I I they were 122 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: coming in because the celle I was in had a 123 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: the kid that was running it. He was the sale leader. 124 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 2: His dad had one hundred acre property in Rome, Georgia, 125 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: so we would go there and train. So everybody was 126 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 2: coming into Georgia and again you're going to do training. 127 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: That was part of the application process. What can you 128 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 2: bring to the table because they're preparing for their d day, 129 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 2: which they referred to as the Bugaloo, which would be 130 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 2: the collapse of society in the beginning of the Race war. 131 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: So they we had to probably like thirteen or fourteen 132 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: come in from all over the country. And the first day, 133 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: I know, we did some weapons training. We did I 134 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: led the hand to hand combat training, and then we 135 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: were doing some other stuff. But a real cold, I 136 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: mean a bad cold front came in and it was 137 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 2: like the first time of the year, so you really 138 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: had no acclamation. It dropped like thirty forty degrees. But 139 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,959 Speaker 2: what they did. I go back to my truck to 140 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: charge my phone and after being frozen for a long time, 141 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: you sit in the car with a heater on, you 142 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: start defrosting and kind of I kind of dozed off 143 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 2: and I woke up to one of the members banging 144 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 2: on my window, going pale Horse because that was my 145 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: name in the group, the base, my nickname or code name. 146 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: And they're going, pale horse pals, you got to get up, 147 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 2: you got to get up. And I'm like, what's going on. 148 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: They're like, man, you remember us talking about getting a 149 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 2: goat or a ram, whatever it is. And they're like, 150 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, they go we got it. They'd gone 151 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 2: down I mean probably like a mile and a half 152 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 2: down the road if it's not far. There's a guy 153 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 2: that had I think three rams or goats in his backyard. 154 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 2: They stole one of them. They almost got caught stealing it, 155 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: so they bring it and now they say, we're going 156 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: to do a sacrifice because just like in the white 157 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 2: supremacy realm, there's a whole belief sect called Christian identity 158 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with Christianity. I mean, they 159 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 2: take the Bible and they twist the crap out of 160 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: it to mash their ideology. So a pagan blot. I 161 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: have friends who are belief under Pagan and they took 162 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: the Pagan belief system and twisted the crap out of 163 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 2: it to mash their ideology. So we were going to 164 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 2: be holding a blot down into our little sacred Point 165 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 2: in the woods, and they, like I said, they already 166 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 2: had the goat a ram. I don't know what. I 167 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: can't tell the difference. I've asked people who own them. 168 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 2: I still don't know. It was a big goat with horns. 169 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,559 Speaker 2: I don't know if they had only of us A. 170 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: This is something I want people to understand. A lot 171 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: of people think, oh, we're going to cover. You're just 172 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: pretending to be somebody, and it's you know, a lot 173 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: of fun and you're in and you're out. I think 174 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: you're fixing to tell me you had to do something 175 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: that I don't know most people could do to stay 176 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 1: in your character. But I just want people to understand, 177 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, when you're in it, it's twenty four to seven. 178 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I always that's a very good point. I 179 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: kind of say, it's not always cakes and pies, you know, yes, lord, yeah, yeah. 180 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: Like my first two weeks on the Outlaws case, I'm traveling, 181 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: I'm bumping up the first class. I'm like, hey, this 182 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: is awesome. Three weeks in, I'm like, I don't want 183 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 2: to drink. I know I'm going to be drinking for 184 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 2: the next five days with these guys. You know, so 185 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 2: so I'm down there and before we take off to 186 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 2: go down in the woods, I go to my kind 187 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: of listening device and I'm like telling the case team 188 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: because i know they're listening, they're monitoring me, and I'm like, hey, man, 189 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure we're going to go kill this thing. 190 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I'm trying to think in my mind 191 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 2: as an undercover coordinator, as a senior agent, as a 192 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: senior undercover, I'm going through everything. I'm like, well, they 193 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 2: stole it, but that's a misdemeanor, you know. And I 194 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: just said it to the case team. I'm like, hey, 195 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: if you can hear me, I'm pretty sure we're gonna 196 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: to go down here and kill this animal. And I 197 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 2: can't think of a reason to blow the case off 198 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 2: the top of my head or to just get I said, 199 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 2: if you guys don't want me to do this, tell me, 200 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: send me a sign, say something. And I waited for 201 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 2: what seemed like forever, and nothing came across. So I 202 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: leaned in and I went, well, I guess I'm heading 203 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 2: in the woods. And we carried it down, walked it 204 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,199 Speaker 2: down into the woods, and we get to the sacred 205 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: site or whatever where we've held blots before, which is 206 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 2: a block for those that don't know, it's kind of 207 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 2: a worship ceremony for pagan's pagan belief. The guy that's 208 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 2: running the blot going by the code named Eizen, and 209 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: he starts twisting the ideology, saying that we're gonna be 210 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 2: this is going to signify the beginning of the Wild Hunt. 211 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: Well en Noorse mythology, the Wild Hunt is essentially Odin 212 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: and other warriors going out and just or other gods 213 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: going out and destroying their enemies in the middle of 214 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 2: the night. But in the twisted version of the base, 215 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: it was going to be the kickoff to us cleansing 216 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: the world of anti fascists and non whites and especially Jews. 217 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: So we get down there and Oisen is talking and 218 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: talking and everybody's like people getting restless. They're like, just 219 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: do it, man. And he's got a kind of a 220 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 2: machete and he rears back. He's doing a practice swing 221 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: and a practice swing. We're all in a circle around 222 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: the goat, and I'm actually at the back of it, 223 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: kind of holding his back legs. I'm not sure how 224 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: the hell I ended up there, but that's where I 225 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: was at, and he rears back with all of his 226 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 2: might and comes down on the back strap of that 227 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: on the neck of the goat. And I don't even 228 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: know if it broke a hair, because I don't know 229 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: if the backstrap was just so thick on the goat 230 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: or the blade was dull or both. And somebody's like, oh, 231 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: you may have to tell it. May you have to 232 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 2: do it again. Somebody's like, yeah, do it again, and 233 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: then another person's like, man, does anybody have a gun? Now? 234 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: The rules were as we were not supposed to be 235 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: bringing any weapons down there, but the one kid who 236 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 2: was the worst person, it's the last person you would 237 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 2: want to be handling a weapon is the one that 238 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 2: brought the weapon. And even me, me and the other 239 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: guy that my cell leader even was like what what 240 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: are you doing? You know? But we took the gun 241 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: from him and handed it to Eisen. Eisen chambers around, 242 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 2: points towards the goat's head and then turns his head 243 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: the other way, and that's when the instructor comes out. 244 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, you know, and then and 245 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 2: he's like what and I go, dude, look at what 246 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: you're shooting at I mean, we're all in a circle, right, 247 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 2: you can't turn your head the other way. Mean, you're 248 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: probably gonna shoot one of us, which you know, in 249 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: some people's opinion, might not have been a bad day, 250 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 2: you know, but anyway, he puts one in the head 251 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 2: of the goat, and even on the recording, you can 252 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,760 Speaker 2: hear the goat at the ground and it kicks for 253 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 2: a couple of minutes, and I go up and I 254 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 2: tell Oz and I'm like, hey, man, I think it 255 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: might still be a lot. God, I'm pretty sure it's dead. 256 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: We'll see. Earlier I had told Eisen, I'm like, hey, 257 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 2: is it bad that I feel sorry for the goat? 258 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 2: And he's like, don't let the goat here you say that. 259 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: I'm like, okay. He's like, this goat needs to know 260 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: it's loved. This is this goat is going to be 261 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: sacrificed to Odin. It's going to Valhalla to be with Odin. 262 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, I'd like to hear what the goat thinks. 263 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking in my head. And I'm like, 264 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 2: I don't love the goat agrees with us too much 265 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 2: right now. But yeah, so that's what happens. And I said, hey, 266 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: I mean, for the love of the goat, right, we 267 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: want it to be happy. Let's just make sure it's 268 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: going peacefully to valhalla. So they put another round in it, 269 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: and then somebody says, oh, it's definitely dead now, so 270 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 2: you think you're done, but we're not. Then they take 271 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: a knife, slice the goat his throat, fill up a 272 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 2: cup with all the ghast blood, and they start passing 273 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 2: it around in the circle. And everybody's still in the circle, 274 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 2: but Isizen has a sheet of acid, so I'm holding 275 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: a flashlight so Eisen can see and like, first member 276 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: takes a hit of acid, drinks the blood. Next person 277 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 2: takes a hit of acid, drinks the blood, and so 278 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 2: on around the circle. There's probably like three or four 279 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: of us that didn't do acid. Of course I didn't, 280 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: and I threatened them if they tried to slip me 281 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,880 Speaker 2: something too. But when it gets to me and it's 282 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 2: my turn to partake in the blood, I look down 283 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 2: in the and it's already clotting. It's all clumpy, and 284 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 2: I'm like looking at it, going, man, I really don't 285 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: want to drink this. And I think it was Pestilence 286 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: who gave me an out, and he said, you know, 287 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: you can just dip your finger in there. So I 288 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 2: dipped my finger deep into the blood and then sucked 289 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: all the blood off my finger. And then then they 290 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: proceeded to cut the head of the goat off, disembowel it, 291 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: and one of the members tried to cook it. It 292 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: was not It was gamey of stuff I've ever tasted 293 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: my entire life, and yes, I did taste it. And 294 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: then we carried the head of the goat around for 295 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: the next two or three days and doing photo ops 296 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Because another big part of this 297 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: newer age is propaganda, recruitment, radicalization online and that goes 298 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: on all extremist sides. It can be radical jihah, it 299 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 2: can be far left extremists. It's the same thing, it 300 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: kind of. I mean, if you scratch at the surface, 301 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 2: all of it's very very similar. But they always wanted 302 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: the next video had to be better than the last 303 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: one for recruitment purposes. So we shot a lot of 304 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 2: video and it was. It was pretty It went pretty 305 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: viral all over the at least the dark web type 306 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: apps and yeah, so yeah, I had to carry around 307 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 2: the goat's head for three or four days and after 308 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: drinking his blood and stuff. So that was on a 309 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: Thursday night because that's Halloween night. Friday is blown because 310 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: you know, three quarters of the group have done acid, 311 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: so they're up all night. No training the next day. 312 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 2: But by Saturday we're back on point. And Saturday we 313 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: had another thing where we did a bunch of training, 314 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 2: a lot of shooting, and then we filmed us going 315 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 2: back down to the Holy Spot, the Sacred Spot and 316 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: having a bonfire, burning American flags, yelling death to America, 317 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 2: burning Holy Bibles, saying if you're Jewish God and all this. 318 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: Stuff, how much just terminology did you have to learn beforehand, 319 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: or phrases or the way that they were going to 320 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: talk or just believes, Because it's more than just going, 321 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: oh yeah I can't stand Jews or black people. I 322 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: mean it's more than that. You've got to walk the walk. 323 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, You've got to know. I mean, like, you can't 324 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 2: go in there trying to bluff. That's like a super 325 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 2: no no on the undercover, especially if you're doing deep cover, 326 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: because they're going to find you out. So they call 327 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 2: it a red Pill moment. They take the scene from 328 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: the Matrix where you know, if you have the blue pill, 329 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 2: you can stay oblivious and never know the real thing. 330 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 2: But if you take the red pill, you're going to 331 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 2: get to see how all this works. So when they 332 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: ask you, what was your red pill moment, Like in 333 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: the Christian faith, that would be like you getting saved 334 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: and baptized. So it's not something that just happens. It's 335 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: not like, oh man, you know, I mean no, no, 336 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: I started here, this happened. I was a part of 337 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: the movement. I was a skinhead blah blah blah, and 338 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 2: I've got it all and it's all backstopped and I 339 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 2: know it, and that's my legend. But yeah, you can't 340 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 2: go in there bluffing. Sometimes with groups, I can let 341 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: them teach me, you know, like tactics training or car 342 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 2: being and tactical movements. We were out there shooting AR 343 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: fifteen style weapons or AK forty sevens. Well, I was 344 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: the lead tactical instructor in my FBI division. I was 345 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 2: the lead defensive tactics instruction. So I know the terminology 346 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 2: we use, but I'm not going to use that undercover 347 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: because that's going to probably scream cop maybe to them. 348 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 2: I'll let them use it first. They'd be like, hey, man, 349 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 2: so when you're doing this, you're slicing the pie. I'd 350 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 2: be like, what did you call that? And they got 351 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 2: to slice the pine and I go oh oh, okay, okay, 352 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: so when I'm slicing the pie, and now I can 353 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: talk like them. But they were using the same terminology. Hell, 354 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: they were wearing the same plate carriers invest that the 355 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 2: FBI S White teams have. 356 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: Well, see, that's one thing I was going to ask 357 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: you about the way you handle a weapon, the way 358 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: you train, because there's a story about a spy that 359 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: got caught in Europe because the way he carried a 360 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: bouquet of flowers. In America, we carry it like holding 361 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: it straight up. The flowers are towards the sky. In 362 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: Europe they hold it with the flowers facing the ground. 363 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: Something just that simple. But they told the folks watching 364 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: him he ain't from Europe. So you know, when you 365 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:04,199 Speaker 1: watch people at the range, there's a specific way to me, 366 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: you can pick out the instructor in five minutes five seconds. 367 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: So did you worry about were you too perfect? Were 368 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: you too good? 369 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 2: No? I purposely messed up. Okay, I purposely messed up, 370 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 2: Like I would, I would just like shoot off. I'd 371 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 2: be like that gumment, Are you sure that didn't hit? 372 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,639 Speaker 2: And they're like, no, they didn't hit, And I'm like, 373 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 2: what is going on? You know? Because I didn't want 374 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 2: to again, I mean I can't, No, Number one, I don't. 375 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: I don't want to come in that way and then 376 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: see that and it maybe burn myself. But also I 377 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:43,120 Speaker 2: don't want to teach these possible targets that were trying 378 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: to find out gather evidence are they planning on doing 379 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,159 Speaker 2: something illegal or not? Or are they doing something illegal 380 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,239 Speaker 2: or not. I'm not going to make them better at 381 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: their firearms, you know, or better at fighting. You know. 382 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: It's like, no, we got It's a very fine line 383 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: you gotta be careful with. And that's I didn't do 384 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 2: it that way. I I kind of played dumb on 385 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 2: a lot of things. I mean, of course i'd shot before, 386 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: and I was a country guy and an old biker, 387 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 2: old skinhead. But yeah, I let them and it wasn't 388 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: hard because I mean, like pestilence and he was nineteen 389 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 2: when I met him. He led the training and it 390 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 2: was good. It wasn't the best I've ever seen, but 391 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 2: it was good, and I was like, holy crap, this 392 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,920 Speaker 2: is pretty wild. 393 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a nickname there. 394 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, what the heck? But he would like, 395 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 2: you know, hell, you a boomer? You know, he's got 396 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 2: I wish even my age that I said I was 397 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: wasn't technically a boomer. But you know, you go with 398 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 2: the punches and he's like, he's like, how do you 399 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 2: how do you hold a weapon? And I'll go, well, 400 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: like this and he goes, oh, it's so boomer. Let 401 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 2: me show you a better way. You know, this is 402 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: how this is a quicker way to get rid of 403 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 2: your magazine stuff like that. So when egos are involved, 404 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: which most times they are, it's not that hard if 405 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 2: you let them show you, because that's what an ego 406 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: wants to do. Right. 407 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something. You don't just talk a 408 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: good game. There's some folks that you have arrested that 409 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: have gotten out of prison and you've helped them. Absolutely, 410 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: they want to turn that leaf over. You're all about it. 411 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. I did a character reference letter and luckily the 412 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 2: guy I only got probation, and he was worried about 413 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 2: the things he had done in his past and he's 414 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 2: going to college, and he's like, I want to do 415 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,119 Speaker 2: this and this, but I'm going to have a fellow 416 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: me on my record. I'm like, well, brother, as long 417 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 2: as you're still doing the right thing, man put me 418 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,439 Speaker 2: down as a reference. Who better to speak to your 419 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,120 Speaker 2: possible employer about a fellon? Even the guy who helped 420 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 2: you get it? 421 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 1: You know, you know they're gonna call because it has 422 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: got to be this has got to be a forgery. No, 423 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: it's awesome. Oh my lord, I could have talked another 424 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: fourteen days to you. Seriously, You've got my number. I 425 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: would love to meet you anytime you're Atlanta. I've got 426 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: some free time, especially if your wife is with you. 427 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: I just want to give her a hug because I 428 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: think she's a badass too. H m hm