1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You know reggaeton, but do you know the whole story? 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 2: Hi? 3 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:08,440 Speaker 1: I'm Gini Montardo, senior producer and sound designer of Loud 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: The History of Reggaeton. Did you hear the news? Loud 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: is back by a popular demand. Listen to all ten 6 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: episodes that break down the beats, politics, and power behind 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: the genre. Hosted by herself Evie Queen. Listen now only 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: on Spotify. 9 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 3: From Futuro Media, It's Latino USA. I'm Mariano Posa. Today 10 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 3: on our show, We're we excited to talk about La 11 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 3: Na Selena Gintania. We're bringing you an interview with Selena's 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: sister Susette, plus Isabel Castro, who is the director of 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 3: the new Netflix documentary Selena I Lostinos And so we thought, well, 14 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: who better to interview these women about Selena than none 15 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: other that our very own in house Selena expert our 16 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:20,839 Speaker 3: Futuro Studios executive editor Maria Garcia. Maria Garcia spent years 17 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 3: reporting and researching Selena for her award winning podcast Anything 18 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 3: for Selena, which is one of our favorite series that 19 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: we've made here at Futuro. In the series, Maria examined 20 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 3: Selena's life and her legacy and how Selena shaped Maria's own. 21 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: Sense of belonging in the United States. 22 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,040 Speaker 3: And so today Maria sits down with Susett Quintanilla and 23 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: filmmaker Isabel Castro to talk about love legacy and all 24 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: about the home videos that shaped the new Netflix documentary 25 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: Selena I Losinos, A family's Legacy. 26 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 4: Here's my colleague, Maria Garcia. 27 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 5: Hi, Suzette, Hi, Isabelle. Hi, Maria, It's so good to 28 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 5: see you again and to talk with you again, and 29 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 5: congratulations on the beautiful documentary. I saw the screener yesterday 30 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 5: and I'm still like recovering from it. It was just 31 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 5: such a beautiful journey. 32 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you. 33 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: Isabel really did an amazing job of taking this footage 34 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: that was just me capturing the moment. And then look, 35 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: I mean, we're what thirty years later, you know, we're 36 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: able to come together and create this insanely hell a 37 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 2: cool documentary about our journey. 38 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 6: And I'm so grateful for Isabelle. I really am. 39 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 2: She did such an incredible job and delivering our family story. 40 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 5: I definitely see like the artistic vision and just the 41 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 5: humanity behind it. I wanted to ask you sizzette to begin. 42 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 5: So what motivated you to release these very personal home 43 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 5: videos now? 44 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: Honestly, Aria, I just I realized the importance of what 45 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: Selena means to the Latino community and what she represents 46 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: to so many women. It's kind of crazy to see 47 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: that our music is still relevant and still being played, 48 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 2: and what it means to everybody, and how it just 49 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: moves everybody. And I also know the two generations in 50 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 2: Maria that are embracing Selena and our music. I just 51 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: thought like it would be really great to have this 52 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: time capsule of what we created and our story being 53 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 2: told by none other than us. 54 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 6: You know, there's no. 55 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: Blurred lines, there's no misrepresentation of what we did back 56 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 2: in the day. It's been crazy, right, It's a bell. 57 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 7: It's been really it's been really insane. 58 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 5: Isabelle, I wanted to ask you what was your connection 59 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 5: to Selena before the project and what was your initial 60 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 5: reaction when you signed on to direct the documentary. 61 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 7: Like many Latinas in the United States, I grew up 62 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 7: with Selena. I am Mexican. I moved here when I 63 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 7: was really little. I grew up in a really white community. 64 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 7: I watched the nineteen ninety eight seven film about Selena 65 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 7: and the Kintania family. When I was really young, and 66 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 7: it was really genuinely the first time I saw myself 67 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 7: represented in a film. I had never seen a film 68 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 7: so perfectly kind of capture what it feels like to 69 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 7: be of two places. And she taught me to kind 70 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 7: of be really proud of that because up until that point, 71 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 7: like I thought I had to pick one. 72 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 6: And then obviously the music is just such a. 73 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 7: Central part of my culture, Like you know, it's been 74 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 7: played at every wedding I. 75 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 6: Ever go to. 76 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 7: Obviously, when I was first reach shout about this, like 77 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 7: it was kind of surreal, there was a part of 78 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 7: me that didn't totally believe it, and like didn't want 79 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 7: to get my hopes up. 80 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you how you felt seeing all 81 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 5: of these home videos assembled together to form the documentary. 82 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 8: Yes, yes I am. I'm right here right now. Sorry, 83 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 8: we're not on AIRWI. My father's a manager, my brother's 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 8: a producer, and my sister is a drummer in the band. 85 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 5: There's already such a vast archive of Selena out in 86 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 5: the internet right now, and we see her being playful, 87 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 5: but nothing quite like this new footage because what I 88 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 5: loved so much about it is she's with the people 89 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 5: she trusted and loved more than anyone in the world, 90 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 5: like her family. Right, you can see the camaraderie between 91 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 5: all of you that like really shines through. 92 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: What is the thing? 93 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 9: Sure, you're one yesterday, so you gross you're you won 94 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 9: that last week and you have washed it? If do 95 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 9: you watch yourwear every day? 96 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 5: There No, the vibe of the footage is very like playful, 97 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 5: goofy like togetherness. And so I wanted to ask you 98 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 5: what was it like to see it all come together? 99 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: You know, you're talking about not just Selena's life, but 100 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 2: our life. This has been archived and just kind of 101 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 2: just put away. You know, this was recorded, I mean 102 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 2: so many many years ago, way before she ever passed away. 103 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 2: Like if we hadn't seen that footage, even though this 104 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: was our life, we all had the same reaction to it. 105 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: Chris Abe Knight, like we didn't stop talking about it after. 106 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 2: I don't know it Aby or Chris said, Wow, that 107 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 2: felt like I'd never seen that footage before. 108 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 7: I think they both said different versions of that. 109 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 2: It felt new like they had never seen any of this. 110 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,679 Speaker 2: That's what was crazy. Yeah. 111 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 7: They both talked about how they felt like they've never 112 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 7: seen a lot of the fetish before, so I wanted 113 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 7: it to feel like there take footage. That means that, like, 114 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 7: when you're watching this film, sometimes you even forget that 115 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 7: it's archive, that it's a documentary because you're kind of 116 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 7: experiencing the film. 117 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 6: You're experiencing it. 118 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 7: As closely as possible as to the lived experience. 119 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: But what made it different it was the fact that 120 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 2: the archival stuff that I had filmed eons ago, you 121 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 2: brought it back to life, so to speak. 122 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 6: Afterwards, after we left the theater. 123 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: And we were all talking, We're like, man, I forgot 124 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 2: we were there. I forgot we did that, and oh 125 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: my god, where were we at with that? It was 126 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: just one of those moments where we you know, you 127 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: see stuff and you haven't seen it for so many years, 128 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: and it's just the beauty of how Isabelle was able 129 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 2: to put it together and to tell this story, you know, 130 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 2: of our journey of Selena Luvius. 131 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 7: It didn't really register that I was working on this 132 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 7: until like a lot later, maybe than it should have. 133 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 7: I was really kind of afraid because of like the 134 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 7: weight of the responsibility of trying to get this right. 135 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 7: It felt like a lot of responsibility. Not just had 136 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 7: I never done a film about a celebrity, but I'd 137 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 7: never done a film about someone that meant so much 138 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 7: to me. Going into it already balancing that kind of 139 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 7: pressure was really overwhelming at first. I think once I 140 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 7: got to know the family as a family and I 141 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 7: got to know Selena as a young woman, it started 142 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 7: becoming a little bit easier because I wasn't thinking of 143 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 7: this as like a symbol, Like I was just thinking 144 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 7: of Suzette as like a person I was getting to 145 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 7: know and I was building a relationship with, and so 146 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 7: that became easier. 147 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: I mean, I relate so much to what you're saying, 148 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 5: because she is right like this sort of quintessential symbol 149 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 5: for Latina women of what it means to be bicultural, 150 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 5: what it means to ascend an American society without compromising 151 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 5: your roots, to be an empowered woman. But really, like 152 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 5: she was a person, yeah, you know, like a real 153 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 5: a sister, a daughter, a wife, And when you see 154 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 5: her humanity, it just becomes so much more natural and 155 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 5: beautiful to approach her legacy this way. I wanted to 156 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 5: ask you, Isabelle. We see her in the documentary talk 157 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 5: about how she sacrificed a lot. She talks about how 158 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 5: she didn't get a chance to make many friends in 159 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 5: adolescence because she was pursuing music. But it's also so 160 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 5: clear that she she saw that sacrifice as a worthwhile one, right, 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 5: and she did it with so much heart. What was 162 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 5: that like for you, Isabelle? To portray a nuanced Selena. 163 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 7: I honestly went into it wanting to try to find 164 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 7: her faults and wasn't able to be honestly, she was 165 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 7: just so special. But I did want to try to 166 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 7: make her feel as dimensional as possible. I wanted to 167 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 7: try to find like the ways in which to just 168 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 7: kind of portray her as a multidimensional, the multidimensional being 169 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 7: that she was. Usually, when you're like editing a video, 170 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 7: like you're kind of cutting around the moments when someone 171 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 7: is focusing the camera or when someone is setting it 172 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 7: up in the edit, we included all of those moments 173 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 7: because it's in those little moments where you just start 174 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 7: to see it's not even just like it's. 175 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 6: Not her flaws, it's her humanity. 176 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 7: It's like there's so many instances in which like she's bickering, 177 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 7: not bickering with Susette, but she's like she's like. 178 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 6: Ye, normal, normal sisters. 179 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 7: Stuff like tellt like stop filming me, you know, things 180 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 7: like that. The film really tried as much as possible 181 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 7: to include all of the moments where she's not wearing 182 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 7: makeup and she's not, you know, fully turned on, because 183 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 7: I think it's in those moments that you really get 184 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 7: to know her better as a person. 185 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 6: Suseette, what do you think? One hundred percent? I think 186 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,479 Speaker 6: that's one of the beautiful things about. 187 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 2: My sister was that she kept it real all the time, 188 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 2: and that I feel is a major connection that her 189 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 2: fan base has. But it's the humanity part of who 190 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 2: she was as a person. Whenever she said something incorrect, 191 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 2: and she would correct herself and then she would laugh, 192 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: And that definitely comes out in the documentary like Selena 193 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 2: is really. 194 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 4: Real after the break. 195 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 3: More from the conversation with Selena's sister Susette Quintanilla and 196 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: the documentary director Isabel Castro. 197 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 2: Dad would just push us in his own way. It 198 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: wasn't like you're gonna practice. It was more like, don't 199 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 2: forget y'all got to practice. You know, for thirty minutes 200 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 2: a day, and we thought thirty minutes was like forever 201 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: because we wanted to play outside. 202 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 4: Stay with us. Yes, hey, we're back. 203 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: We're gonna jump back into our conversation where Susette Dania 204 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 3: reflects on the way that their father pushed her brother 205 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 3: ab to unlock the talent he knew he had. 206 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 6: As a parent. 207 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if everybody on here has kids, but 208 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 2: this is what you do. You hone in on what 209 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 2: your kid is good at, or you see potential and 210 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: you nurture it. 211 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 6: And that's what my father did. 212 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 2: And I just feel like the film in general just 213 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 2: captures the human side of who we truly are and 214 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: still are. 215 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 6: I hear you. 216 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 5: It's so funny. 217 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 6: You know, my son, he's eleven. 218 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 5: He plays piano and other instruments, and every day he's like, oh, 219 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 5: because I'm like, you got to practice, and he's like hi. 220 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 10: And I'm like, Selena, Lina's practiced every day for fifteen minutes, 221 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 10: and look where they are now. 222 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: I'd love the best part of me of my brother 223 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: is were he's frustrated because he wasn't able to get 224 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: those songs and he just like zipped himself in into his. 225 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 6: Little was it a a sleeping bag? 226 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 5: Cried I love that the moment that you were talking about. 227 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 5: For our listeners who haven't seen the documentary, please please 228 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 5: watch it. But there's this beautiful moment where Aby is 229 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 5: talking about how you all were ascending, what you needed 230 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 5: new music and there was this one songwriter in Texas 231 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 5: who was making hits, and Aby went and he saw 232 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 5: him and he was like, I'm going to give you 233 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 5: two songs. And then he rescinded that and was like, no, nope, 234 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 5: you don't have. 235 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 4: Permission to use the songs. 236 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 5: And then that's when Amy says, he like zipped himself 237 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: in his sleeping bag and cried. 238 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 2: Well, the first time in my life at home room 239 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: had a sleeping bag, zip myself up in the sleeping bag. 240 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 4: I just started crying. 241 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 6: I was like, you just started crying out of frustration. 242 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 5: But then he talks about how his how your your father, 243 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 5: Abraham was like, well, you're a musician too, you can 244 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: write songs. 245 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 6: What's stopping you? 246 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 5: And that was like the impetus for him to write songs. 247 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 5: And at one point, you know, ab was the most 248 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 5: prolific songwriter in the fastest growing genre in the United States, 249 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 5: which was the hat. No. What I found fascinating is 250 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 5: that if you wrote that first number one song aby did, 251 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 5: and then your father was like anybody can write one 252 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 5: number one song, you know, like the question is can 253 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 5: you keep it going? 254 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 6: Can you write another way? 255 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 8: Yeah? 256 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: You did? 257 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 5: What was it like to have that pressure from your 258 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 5: father be the impetus to continue growing as an artist. 259 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 6: It wasn't like you lot of practice. 260 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 2: And you know, I know a lot of people view 261 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: my father a certain way. I get a lot of 262 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 2: people tell me, oh my god, your dad's exactly like 263 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: my dad. Most Latino men fathers are. You know, they're strong, 264 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: you know, they come off that way. They're different generation 265 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: than what definitely. 266 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 6: What we are, right. 267 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: But Dad would just push us in his own way. 268 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: It wasn't like you're gonna practice. It was more like, 269 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: don't forget y'all got to practice, you know, for thirty 270 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 2: minutes a day, and we thought thirty minutes was like 271 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: forever because we wanted to play outside. 272 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 6: He did it in a way where. 273 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: It wasn't It was not in your face type of 274 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: like hey, you're gonna practice, but it was still as 275 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 2: a parent, like hey, you're gonna practice. You have to 276 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 2: understand that my father his love was music and it's 277 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: always been music. I just think as parents that's what 278 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: we just kind of do. We just kind of try 279 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: to navigate our kid and try to help them grow, 280 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 2: and what we see is something that they are really 281 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: good at. I'm grateful for my father doing that, and 282 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: I'm grateful that he saw something in all of us 283 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: and protected us through the journey, because a manager plays 284 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: a huge role in making sure you're protecting and he 285 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: did that. He knew what we were worth, and he 286 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: didn't shy away from it. He protected us and made 287 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: sure that we were taking good care of whenever he 288 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 2: was making a certain deal and staying away from certain 289 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 2: things that brand wise was not consistent of who we 290 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: were and who Selena was as a band. 291 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:25,959 Speaker 5: I love the way the candidness comes through in the 292 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 5: documentary in the interviews you know your father Abraham, and 293 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 5: the documentary mentions that he pushed you all to seeing 294 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 5: the Hano in large part out of necessity, right Like, 295 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 5: you all didn't have any money and music was a 296 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 5: way to bring food to the table, and in Texas, 297 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 5: you know, there was more money to be made in 298 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 5: the Hanno. But then you see in the documentary in 299 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 5: Selena and in all of you all that there's this 300 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 5: evolution right from like having to sink the Hanno to 301 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 5: then embracing it, representing it, being proud to seeing it. 302 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 5: And I wonder if you can shed light on that Evoluone. 303 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: We grew up on Top forty music, but you know 304 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 2: it was also an eye opener to this whole different 305 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 2: genre of music. And then at one point, you know, 306 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: we did do this transition to Tahna music, and I 307 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 2: mean it was jaff play, something that we didn't want 308 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:18,640 Speaker 2: to do. 309 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 6: Long story short, we just agrew. 310 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: To love it. 311 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 2: I think we grew to love it because we started 312 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 2: understanding it more and also embracing who we are, you know, 313 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 2: where we come from, and what better way than to 314 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: embrace it and being introduced to more of that through music. 315 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 5: You know. Another moment in the documentary that really stuck 316 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 5: with me was the band's like first concert in Mexico 317 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 5: and how initially like Selena e Lesinos did it hit 318 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 5: in Mexico that first concert? 319 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 8: Right? 320 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: I know, Oh no, did Johnnick knowledge show? I know 321 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 2: exactly what you're talking about. Oh my god, it was 322 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 2: an epic. Well my paintlora paint, permanent paint, florescent paint, Okay, 323 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 2: Scucendo and Mexico. 324 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 4: Lost Paint title. 325 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 6: You know, Los Mexican Americans. 326 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 5: There's a lot of baggage there, you know, about how 327 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 5: we're received or not in Mexico, and your story is 328 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 5: one of the bastions of hope that all of Mexican 329 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 5: Americans looked to. Like Selena was accepted, you know, Selena 330 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 5: Losinos were accepted. But you see in the documentary like 331 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 5: it wasn't night and day, you know, like it was 332 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 5: a journey, like it took some time. But Isabelle, I 333 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 5: wanted to ask you, like what was it for you 334 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 5: as a Mexican American, Like capturing this moment of how 335 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 5: the band engaged with Mexico and were initially not hitting 336 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 5: but then eventually came to be embraced. 337 00:19:57,560 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 6: I love that scene too. 338 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 7: And also keeping mind that, like besides Selena Lastina's breaking 339 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 7: down barriers for Tihano music, they were also breaking down 340 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 7: barriers within Tihano music because it was a really male 341 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 7: dominated space. And so here's this like really young girl 342 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 7: dressed in her sequence. So I think that Mexico just 343 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 7: didn't know what to make of them, and and it's funny. 344 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,200 Speaker 7: It's funny because you're just like seeing their reactions and 345 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 7: they're kind of like they're like kind of processing it, 346 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 7: you know, like yeah. 347 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 2: Well, you know, Isabelle, I'm gonna tell you why you 348 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: have by chat that you have Sasa. 349 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 6: You have all these types of music, right. 350 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: And then you have this little bitty speck of the 351 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 2: Hano music. 352 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 6: It's not played. 353 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 2: Like on the radio everywhere, and so it was a 354 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 2: fusion of who we were as the Hanas with of course, 355 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 2: the core of where our music comes from is make 356 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: equal the scene that you added Isabelle to where like 357 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: we think we're all that on the Johnny Canal Show, 358 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,199 Speaker 2: you know, coming into Mexico. Oh we got this, you 359 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 2: know what I mean, because we were already doing stuff 360 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 2: in Texas and getting airplane and then we come in 361 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 2: and it was like literally like crickets. 362 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 7: You know, they're like it literally is crickets. Like you 363 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 7: can hear, like there's like silence, you see, like you're 364 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 7: like one person in the back, like slow clapping. 365 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 4: We'll be right back, Yes, hey, we're back. 366 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 3: Here's the last part of Pluto Media's made I Gotta 367 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 3: Seas conversation with Susetta and filmmaker is Castro. 368 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 5: I also loved the specific shout out in the documentary 369 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 5: to Selina's performance of yes you know when she I 370 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 5: was a guy in the audience and then pretends he's 371 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 5: the ex boyfriend who fumbled her. 372 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 9: Ladies play class attention. 373 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 4: This is how you tell. 374 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 11: Your man of when he does you wrong. Okay, here 375 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 11: we go, and. 376 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 4: I love that. 377 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 5: Pete as through you in the documentary talks about how 378 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 5: that moment serves almost like a proxy for women like 379 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 5: who are demanding respect from men. When the conventional thinking 380 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 5: was that, especially in the Hanno, was that women artists 381 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 5: weren't going to attract other women to their shows because 382 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 5: you know, women audiences didn't want to see like other 383 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 5: beautiful women on stage. And Selena completely shattered that stereotype 384 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 5: that it's not true that in fact, there's a lot 385 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:53,120 Speaker 5: of Edmanda, there's a lot of sisterhood, there's a lot 386 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 5: of like solidarity among women. 387 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Maria, but I think it was even 388 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 2: bigger than that. In my opinion, it was more of that. 389 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 2: Whenever she would sing that song it was that moment 390 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 2: where we do have a say in our life, you know, 391 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: because there in our culture, you know, there's melmuchismo, you know, 392 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 2: there's a lot of it. I see things with my 393 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 2: parents and I'm like, really, mom, you know I said 394 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 2: that to her, and Selena said that to her. But 395 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,160 Speaker 2: at the same time, the value of who we are 396 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: as women is extremely important and I feel that and 397 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 2: I know that when she would sing that song, it 398 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 2: was more about the empowering part. 399 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 6: Hey know who you are and know your worth. 400 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 12: One day, I was asleep and there's a knock on 401 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 12: the door. It was Selena and she said, let's go 402 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 12: get married. And I'm like, no, we not like this, 403 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 12: you know, I don't want it to be like this 404 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 12: for you. 405 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,919 Speaker 5: Another key moment I think is it shows what it 406 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 5: was like for your family when Selena eloped and the 407 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 5: hurt that caused, but then the you know, the togetherness, 408 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 5: Like once it happened, it was like okay, like all 409 00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 5: of that tension and dissipated. What was it like to 410 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 5: share that with the world. 411 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 2: I don't know if a lot of people realize that 412 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: Selena was only twenty and as a parent now I 413 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: would feel the same way if my son would have 414 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 2: gotten married at twenty. When Isabelle added that, you know 415 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,360 Speaker 2: it's talked about in the film, I am grateful for 416 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: the fact that she did do what she did. Now 417 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: that I'm older, to be honest with you, media, you 418 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 2: take on a different sense of how you view life, 419 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: and especially now that sister is no longer with me, 420 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 2: I believe truly live in the moment, do what you 421 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: gotta do, buy the shoes, take the trip, do what 422 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 2: makes you happy, because we have one life. We have 423 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 2: one life, and you got to live at the best 424 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 2: that you can and whatever makes you happy. 425 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 6: And at that moment, that's what made her happy. 426 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 2: And I'm truly grateful that she was able to experience life. 427 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: I wish that she would have been here to experience 428 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: the other part of being married and having children and grandchildren, 429 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 2: and but that's just not you know, that's not what 430 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: it is. 431 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 6: But I'm grateful. 432 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 5: What a beautiful thought to end with one last little 433 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 5: kicker that I want to mention Isabelle. I absolutely loved 434 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 5: the creative choice to make Big Birth almost like a character. 435 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 6: Yeah, Big Birth, I got her own. 436 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 2: I love it. 437 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you so much. Is that always such 438 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 6: a pleasure. 439 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 5: Thank you for continuing to share Selena's legacy with all 440 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 5: of us. It means so so much. And Isabelle, congratulations 441 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 5: again for creating such a lasting, singular work of art. 442 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 5: It's such a pleasure to speak with both of you. 443 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,439 Speaker 6: Thank you, saying Maria, thank you. 444 00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: That was Selena's sister suse Quintanilla and Isabel Castro, director 445 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: of the new Netflix documentary Selina ILOs Dino's a Famili's Legacy. 446 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 3: This episode was produced by Adriana Rodriguez. It was edited 447 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: by Maria Garcia and our managing editor Fernando Echavari. Sound 448 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 3: design by Jacob Rossati. It was bised by Julia Caruso. 449 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: Special thanks to Netflix. 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