WEBVTT - Can't Hardly Wait with Shelli Nicole 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:05.760 Burn attention Beck to Gast listeners. 0:00:05.960 --> 0:00:07.080 We're going on tour. 0:00:07.800 --> 0:00:10.800 We really are. And it's not just any tour. It's 0:00:10.840 --> 0:00:14.120 a tour in the UK and it's a tour where 0:00:14.120 --> 0:00:16.799 we are covering Titanic and. 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:21.079 Shrek, brilliantly titled the Shrek Tannic Tour. 0:00:21.600 --> 0:00:24.600 Yes, Shrek Tornic. We're working on it. 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.280 There's a couple there's a couple months before the tour, 0:00:27.440 --> 0:00:30.960 but yes, we're really excited. We're currently doing five shows 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:33.600 in the UK, with more shows to be added. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.760 Stay tuned at the end of May. 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.280 Yes, starting with two shows in London on May twenty second. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:44.480 On's at six point thirty that's a Shrek show, one 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:49.120 at nine pm that is a Titanic show. Then we 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:53.479 are scooting over to Oxford on May twenty fourth we 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:58.480 are covering Titanic. Okay, that show is a part of 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.960 the Saint Audio Podcast Festival in Oxford, so be sure 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.679 to check out our show as well as other shows 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:10.840 at the festival. Then we're scooting up to Edinburgh on 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.200 May twenty sixth and doing Shtrek. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.760 If you're a Scottish Titanic fan, you are going to 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:23.000 have to commute and I know that that's not but listen, yeah, 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.360 you live in Edinburgh recovering Shrek. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:29.240 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but also you're welcome. And then 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.679 if you do want to see Titanic, you can head 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.679 down to Manchester. We're doing a show on May twenty eighth, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.679 and that's a Titanic show. So yeah, you're just gonna 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:42.680 want to come to kind of all of them if 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:44.440 you live in the UK, if you live kind of 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:48.240 anywhere in Europe, or sort of just anywhere in the world. 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.760 As your Bechdel Cast allies in the US can attest to. 0:01:52.280 --> 0:01:55.720 Our live shows are super fun. It is like a 0:01:55.760 --> 0:02:00.000 live episode plus a bunch of fun stuff. We dress up, 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.840 we bring audience members on stage sometimes we do. It's 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.240 just it's big and goofy and silly, and we're covering 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.000 two of our favorite movies that are Bechdel Cast can 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:11.720 and so we want to have a good time. We'll 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:16.600 be bringing exclusive merch and we will be doing meet 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.160 and greets before and after the show. 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:19.440 We want to meet everybody. 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:24.520 And we're really really excited and tickets are already going 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:28.320 fast because we released it to Matrons first, plugging the 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:29.400 Patreon really quick. 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.480 Little perk for the matrons. Yep. 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:35.120 So if you live in those areas, get those dang 0:02:35.160 --> 0:02:37.400 tickets because these shows will sell out. 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.240 Yes they will. So head over to our link Tree 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:45.840 Link Tree slash Bechdel Cast, grab your tickets for the 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:47.920 Shrek Tanic. 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:51.400 And enjoy the episode. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:56.040 On the Doodcast, the questions asked if movies have women 0:02:56.120 --> 0:02:59.519 and are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands or 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:04.560 do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy and bast start 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.680 changing it with the Bechdel Cast. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:12.760 Jamie Caitlyn, I wrote you a letter because I'm in 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:16.239 love with you? What? And do you know why? 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:16.680 No? 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:20.200 You don't even know me. No, I do, and you don't. 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.200 I know that you love strawberry pop tarts and that 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.120 I love strawberry pop tarts and that's enough fun what. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:31.320 I unfortunately not to break the bechel test immediately, but 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:34.200 I sent that scene to my boyfriend and I was like, wow, 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.920 we sort of had that conversation at one point. It 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.360 was like the first night he stayed over at my 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.520 house and I was like, oh, do you want any breakfast? 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.280 I have three pop. 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:49.000 Tarts and he's like, wow, that's all I have at 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:53.400 my house meant to be. We should keep this thing 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.280 going and never improve as individuals. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:58.520 It's kind of nice. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.320 Uh so all that to say teenagers are swart. Actually, 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:08.080 this movie is so bizarre. Welcome to the Bechdel Cast. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.480 My name is Jamie Loftus. My name is Caitlin Derante. 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:13.880 This is our show where we examine movies through an 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:17.400 intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechdel Test as a jumping 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:21.640 off point for a larger discussion. The Bechdel Test is 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:26.119 a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel, often 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.920 called the Bechdel Wallace Test since she collaborated on it 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:31.480 with her friend Liz Wallace. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:32.840 That makes it. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.400 Sound like it was like this big project. It was 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.640 not that it was just a throwaway Joe. 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:39.920 It was just kind of a day that they had. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.240 In Alison Bechdel's Ducks to Watch out for from the 0:04:44.240 --> 0:04:47.120 mid eighties. There are many versions of the test. The 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.400 one that we use is this, do two characters of 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.960 a marginalized gender have names? Do they speak to each 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:58.600 other about something other than a man? And ideally for us, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:04.040 is it a nice, meaty conversation and not just throwaway Dialogue. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:09.720 Today we are covering a much requested movie and I'll 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:11.520 say it, but a much requested guest. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:15.200 I feel that I'm just excited to bring her in. 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.520 The vibes on our episodes with this guest are just 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:21.960 sort of unmatched. 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.520 It's like chaotic good yes. And also I would say 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.080 very Shrekian. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:32.680 And not for nothing, not for nothing. Read the byline. 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:36.400 It's right there, it's right there. She's a culture writer. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.479 You can see her work on Substack at High Shelley 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:42.600 as well as Architectural Digest and Vogue. You know her 0:05:42.640 --> 0:05:48.360 from episodes on Buffaloed and Empire Records. It's Shelley Nicole. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:51.440 Hi. I'm so happy I'm back. 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.240 Welcome back, I hike. 0:05:53.320 --> 0:05:56.600 You forget about the Shrekian How could I? I mean, 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.040 I need to put the mic down now because that's 0:05:59.040 --> 0:05:59.800 so rude for me. 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.480 Has that not become your professional byeline? 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:07.200 It is? It is. Now Now that I'm solo and 0:06:07.240 --> 0:06:10.200 on my own, I'm changing my substack from Hi Shelley 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:11.960 to exactly. 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.280 That, Hi Shreky, Hi Shreky exactly. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:20.040 I mean theoretically, I mean, you know, Shrek five is 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:23.880 allegedly in production, so if you're pitching yourself for reviewing it. 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:26.320 I mean, you're like, well, who who are you gonna 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:28.039 hire over Shreky. 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.240 Herself better than me? I would love to go to 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.960 a premiere of that. Wow, that would be so great. 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.200 Oh my first interview. Guys, I'm gonna do it now 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.560 that I know it exists. You're gonna make substacks send me. 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:40.200 I'm gonna. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.760 I'm currently spending so much like not it. I mean 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.720 I haven't done anything, but I just think about it 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.080 a lot of Like Despicable before comes out July third, 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:53.800 How hard could it be to get invited to that? 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:57.680 Like I have, I like, I do have to go. 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.760 I have Shrek news for everyone. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:00.320 What? 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.520 Oh my god, tell us I was at the mall 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:04.359 the other day, right brag. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:09.520 I love that sentence. I love that very nineteen ninety 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.559 eight of you. I love this sentence. It's true. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:15.920 I'm studying the scene. I was at a store called 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:16.920 box Lunch. 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:17.720 Who knows. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.720 Oh, I know it's it's sort of like hot topic, but. 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.440 Like a little but I think it's like quieter. 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.240 Quiet it's not quite so hot. 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:29.480 I guess it's like a warm topic kind of thing. 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:33.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought that this was literally 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:35.520 gonna be like a sweet green or something like that. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:40.520 I didn't know, like hot topics, like conservative sisters. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.960 Kind of yeah, like it's it is. It's it's like 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:45.760 a hot topic. Got a desk job. 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:51.280 But it's still all like weirdly like merchandisee like merchandized stuff. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:53.960 And they had a Shrek section and they had this 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:59.320 a Shrek instruction, you could say, And there was this 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:03.160 unbelove believable sweater that was like a full cable knit 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:08.320 sweater with like huge knit onions all over it, and 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:09.400 then on the back. 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.520 Was Shrek like three D onions. 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.240 Three D onions, like huge onion like pom poms. 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.280 Oh my gosh, it was really wait, jamis for the Shrek. 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.960 And with like a huge amount of disposable income. 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.200 Was this at the Glendale Galleria? Yes, okay, good, let's 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:29.000 go there and buy it. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:34.080 It's called a business expense. Gosh, I'm looking for Okay, here, 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:36.480 I'm gonna put it in the chat. It is sixty 0:08:36.480 --> 0:08:38.240 five dollars, I guess for it A. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.800 Nice five dollars. I'm like for a sweater you'll wear 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:43.640 every day for the rest of your life. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.960 Maybe I mean small price to pay. 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.199 Maybe there's also a Shrek hockey Tracy. 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.720 Okay, see, this isn't as bad as I thought it 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:54.520 was gonna be. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.120 I think it's tasteful. I think you could wear it 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:58.720 to like parent teacher conferences. 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.480 Yeah, like, yes, I'm the parent, and people will be like, 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:07.720 I feel like someone should call the FEDS because this 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.800 child is not okay, this child is not in a 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:11.440 happy home. 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.679 Oh well, okay, let's talk about well that we're all 0:09:17.679 --> 0:09:22.120 caught up. So today we're talking about can't hardly wait 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:24.640 from nineteen ninety eight. Now, I didn't mean for that 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:25.280 to rhyme. 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:27.920 I was gonna be like, that was very cool, your kid, 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:30.200 It was very cool. Yeah, it was very nice. 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:35.280 Anyway, So Shelley, what is your relationship with this movie? 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.360 I saw this movie when I was in middle school 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.360 because it made me want to go It made me 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:43.559 excited to go to high school, or you know what 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.440 I'm saying, Like I think I had seen a lot 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.319 of movies that year because I was looking it up, 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.200 like when this movie came out, what else came out? 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:54.600 A Dead Man on Campus came out this year or too, 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.640 which a lot of people don't believe me. When I 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.439 talk about it that it is a real movie, s 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.640 like Zach Morris, Yeah, and it's got quite a plot. 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:07.960 One of my favorite teen movies came out. The Faculty 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.280 came out, featuring like usher disturbing behavior with like a 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:15.360 bad girl crop top Katie Holmes. So all of those 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:18.000 were like I was like, oh, it's kind of like 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.880 bad high school or scary high school or whatever. But 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:25.280 this one was so sweet and had like I know, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.240 it's a bunch of silliness in it, but it had 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.080 like a cute little love story and stuff. And I 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.880 saw it. I rented it a blockbuster, of course, and 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:35.840 when I did rent it, it became one of the 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.440 movies that I always rented, like because I would rent 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:40.800 like two or three movies at a time, and I 0:10:40.800 --> 0:10:43.160 would try to get a new one and then like 0:10:43.320 --> 0:10:46.920 one where I'm like, I'm just going to watch this 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:49.719 all weekend and I'm gonna fuck this DVD up, like, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.160 but I love this movie, yeah, And then that's my 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.440 relationship to it. Nothing really queer based, really, because I 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.680 was trying to think of that. I will say this 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:01.720 is one of the first movies I all that I 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:05.360 knew my answer to like do I want to like 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.160 be her, kiss her. I knew I wanted to be 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.880 Amanda Beckett and and a lot of the other movies 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:16.079 I saw. I was like, very confused this one right 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.640 out the gate. I was like, I just want to 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:21.320 be her, loved her tank top, love the hair I wear. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:24.480 Hair sounds like this to this day. But yeah, I 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.480 just like, I love this movie so much. I love 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.200 also stand by it. I stand by the fact that 0:11:31.240 --> 0:11:33.440 I think that this movie has one of the greatest 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.960 soundtracks I have ever heard in a teen film. 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:40.880 It's good, the boldness require to do the same smash 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.040 mouthed needle drop twice. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.920 You're like, yes, what is this a Shrek movie? 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:48.080 Shrek wait? 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.000 Is Shrek ad opening on a. 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.160 Smash shrekd It's like it was Shrek before. I feel 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.920 like Shrek Saw can hardly waves. Like here's how my 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:58.360 feels like has to open. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.520 I need that. I mean, it's aligned. I mean, I'm 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:05.240 just saying, but this movie is like fucking incredible, and 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.400 I think it's the first time I also saw hazy 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.679 moments in movies, like for some reason, when Amanda or 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:16.640 Jennifer Love Hewitt, famous three named actress. 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:18.440 Yes, I mean this was the era. 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:23.040 Yeah, she got like RuPaul Season one drag race lighting 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.760 in a lot of the moments where she was like 0:12:26.440 --> 0:12:29.240 monologuing her ass off. But yeah, I love this movie 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:30.640 so much. I love this movie. 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.200 Oh Jamie, how about you? What's your history? 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.679 I'd never seen it. I'd never seen this movie before. 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:41.720 I jealous. I don't know, like why, because I found 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.720 I had seen a lot of the ninety teen movies. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.000 This is just one that I hadn't seen for whatever reason. 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:52.160 My personal connection to it is that I was employed 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:57.280 by Seth Green for two years. Wow, so i'd certainly 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.840 and I've written with well, I mean, Breckenmeier's not in 0:12:59.840 --> 0:13:02.160 this movie very much, but like we were in the 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:06.400 same writer's room for a chunk of time. So I 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:11.600 have like an attachment to two of the guys in 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.720 the movie. And then also like without this movie is 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:17.480 you know, and I guess it wasn't a success at 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.360 the time it came out, but without this movie, we 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.960 wouldn't have Josie and the Pussycats, And so I knew. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.800 It was Like, even if I don't love. 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:26.920 It, I have to honor its place in history because 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:31.000 the director directors, Harry Elphont and Deborah Kaplan, who wrote 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.160 and directed this movie also wrote and directed Josie and 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:38.360 the Pussycats. Yeah that's so cool, right, I did not 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:38.920 know that. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.520 I Yeah, I really enjoyed this movie. I thought it 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:44.719 was I think, like, you know, the places where it's 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:48.680 dated is really you know, dated obviously. But I like 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:52.640 this movie, especially because we've covered a lot of teen 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:53.760 movies of this era. 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:55.000 I think it's. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:58.679 Doing a lot more than I expected in terms of 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.800 like showing it giving its characters some depth and some grace, 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.640 and like, I don't know any teen movie that ends 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:08.600 in a somewhat gray area I'm really intrigued by because 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:11.640 it's just like, not what happens. It's like it ends 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:17.320 with like a kiss and you will die with this teenager. 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:20.720 Like smash cuts. It's twenty five years later, they're. 0:14:20.600 --> 0:14:23.440 Still together, right or like or a bet or a 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:24.360 lie or whatever it is. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:28.200 Right, So it's like there, this movie's you know, trafficking 0:14:28.240 --> 0:14:31.640 heavily in like stereotyped high school characters. But I feel 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.000 like it's doing a little more in terms of like 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.360 showing us the shades of gray to these characters. 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.960 I think if I had seen this. 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:42.320 As a teenager, I would have been like wow, Preston 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.240 and Amanda. As an adult, I'm so underwhelmed by President 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:47.720 and Amanda. I'm like, Amanda, what are you doing? What 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:51.840 are you doing? Yeah, the reality hasn't like I have. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.080 I mean, I think, well, we probably all feel the 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.480 same way. But like she was so right and the 0:14:56.480 --> 0:15:00.280 way she like cut him down to size and then 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.760 she read. I was like, well, sure he wrote a 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.480 nice letter because he's a big fan of Kurt Vonnegut, 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.320 question mark, was he famous for love letters? 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.480 No, but like he has the. 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:16.040 Romantic stylings of Kurt Vonnicut, but like nothing, he still 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:16.760 doesn't know her. 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:17.680 She was right. 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:22.120 Yeah, so yeah, anyways, I thought this movie was fun 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.920 and good and I love Lauren Ambrose. 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.000 Literally love Lauren Ambrose. I was gonna talk about how 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:34.280 like Dyke coded this movie and that character is she's 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.480 going to NYU. She's like wearing all black, she's giving 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:42.480 like Clea Duval light. You know, it's also in this movie. 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:47.520 He's also two second movie. It's great, everybody's in this movie. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.000 Everyone is in this movie. Everyone. 0:15:50.040 --> 0:15:52.880 And I say this with love I feel, but it's 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:55.600 like I think the in teen comedies today because we 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:57.440 have covered like some modern teen movies. 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.520 Everyone does look so perfect and I. 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.480 Like that, Like, I mean, even though some of them 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.880 are kind of maybe visibly in their twenties, it's still 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.000 like I'm like, how do I say this in a 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.880 way that feels respectful, But like I like when they're like, yeah, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.640 they're playing teenagers, they can kind of look like shit 0:16:16.800 --> 0:16:19.400 and like be wearing confusing outfits and. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.760 Like be sweaty, and. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:23.720 Like it feels like such a cool like because this 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:27.160 is Debora Kaplan and Harry Elphont's first feature, and it's 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:28.720 like you can tell they're not working with a lot 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.119 of money, so sometimes people. 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:30.800 Are just sweating. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:35.640 Yeah, and Jason Siegel's there, and I guess we'll allow it. 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.120 Yeah why not? Yeah, I don't know. I'm excited to 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.640 talk about it. Uh, Cantlee, what's your history with this movie? 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:45.920 I had seen it a couple of times before prepping 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.800 for the episode. It wasn't something that was like in 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:52.520 heavy rotation for me. But I saw it, I think 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:56.960 for the first time in probably college. I don't think 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:58.680 I saw it when I was still in high school, 0:16:58.680 --> 0:16:59.920 so I was by the time I saw it for 0:16:59.920 --> 0:17:02.440 the first time. I was just like high school, I 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:06.720 already did that, I'm not impressed. And then I feel 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:09.200 like I saw it again within the past five years. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:12.080 I don't know what would have necessarily compelled me to 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.880 rewatch it. Maybe just because I was like, I love 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:18.680 Josie and the Pussycats and I want to be more 0:17:18.760 --> 0:17:23.200 familiar with those filmmakers work. So I watched it again, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.840 and I was reminded that it's like, like you were saying, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.280 Jamie a more I would say, a slightly more subversive 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:34.479 version of like a teen ensemble cast movie. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.760 I was reading because I was having like. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:41.240 A half baked version of this thought. And then I 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:45.119 was reading the big retrospective of this movie that was 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:48.119 published in The Ringer like five years ago or so. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:52.520 And Deborah and Harry because we're friends and so let's 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.520 just call them Deborah and Harry. They said, they're like 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.919 our inspiration for this was what if the party scene 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.679 from Say Say He was a movie? And I was like, 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.679 this movie has so much say anything energy to it, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:10.600 like the the friendship between Preston and Denise felt very 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:14.080 say anything, because that's like another thing teen movies famously 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:17.600 can't do is like friends of the opposite gender not 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:19.520 getting married at. 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.240 The end of the movie. That's so cool to know. 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.399 Preston and Denise are so cool. Like it reminds me 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:28.679 so much of friendships that I had where it's like 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:32.440 there's like not not any sexual tension. 0:18:32.200 --> 0:18:33.480 Between them that part. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:36.320 Yeah, but it's clear they're never going to act on 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.440 it and like it's never gonna happen. I was like, ooh, 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:43.360 I definitely was friends. I had those friendships where. 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.560 Sometimes you're like stop and then you're like, oh. 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:47.159 I hate it. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.280 I love the extra like puh, Like it's very that 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:54.080 and I think so too, because it's super like you know, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.439 it's not not there, but they're never gonna act on 0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:01.399 it for the sake of like we're such friends. Like 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:05.720 this would was so weird. It would have quite literally 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:10.719 ruin and I'm going to n yu. So I can't 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:11.520 like deal with. 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:15.480 That, like and honestly, like, you don't want to Kurt 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.600 Vonnaget boyfriend going into college dead way, don't. 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.520 No, not when you already wear like leather jacket and 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.159 lace like unronically to a teen party with your like 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:31.000 haircut and no, it's just no, no, I love that 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:31.720 character though. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:35.840 She's so cool. Right, all right, let's take a quick 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.320 break and then we'll come back for the. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:51.480 Recap and we're back. 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:58.480 Okay, Ready, here we go. It's high school graduation and 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:02.720 all the teens are talking about a huge party that night, 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:07.879 and there's a rumor going around that Mike Dexter also. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.359 I was like, okay, oh my god, the last Lennon boyfriend. Yes, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.320 astronaut Mike Dexter from thirty Rock. 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:20.679 Yeah, yes, unbelievably distracting, so distracting, incredibly because I was like, 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.520 why do I Why do I know that name? 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:25.520 Why do I know this name? Yeah? 0:20:25.640 --> 0:20:28.280 Is there any real I'm like, did they just pick 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:29.920 two first names? 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:30.080 Like? 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:31.000 Is it? 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:31.880 Or is that? 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:32.080 Like? 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:34.960 Was there a writer at thirty Rock, like a fan 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:36.920 of this movie? Really bizarre? 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.119 We don't know, but you know, one of the main 0:20:39.200 --> 0:20:45.320 characters is named basically astronaut Mike Dexter. He has dumped 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:48.320 Amanda Beckett and it's a big deal. All the teens 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:52.480 are talking about it. And then when Preston Myers played 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:56.600 by Ethan Embry, learns this, he is elated because he 0:20:56.640 --> 0:21:00.439 has a huge crush on Amanda and he is his 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:04.760 best friend Denise played by Lauren Ambrose, that he wants 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:08.880 to finish what he started with Amanda four years priori, 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.480 which turns out to be nothing. 0:21:11.800 --> 0:21:17.760 And if that sounds like a threat, it kind of really. 0:21:16.680 --> 0:21:19.040 He's not not stalking her. 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:22.960 Very sinister retelling of the plot. 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:24.720