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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast. The

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Speaker 1: podcast profile series continues on here. We got Zack Wilson

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Speaker 1: on board. We didn't speak to Zach Wilson, what we

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Speaker 1: spoke to his father, Mike Wilson. We got Aaron Roderick

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Speaker 1: of course we wrap things up with John Beck, who

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Speaker 1: is Zack Wilson's quarterbacks coach, and long story short, we

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Speaker 1: have a fully loaded episode. I think we kind of

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Speaker 1: take people through the full journey of Zack Wilson, starting

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Speaker 1: with his dad who was changing his diapers when he

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Speaker 1: way to John Beck, the guy who he's trained with

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Speaker 1: for countless hours over the years, who really helped him

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Speaker 1: take his game to the next level where he exploded

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Speaker 1: on the national scene at b y U last season.

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Speaker 1: We in fact, if you had told us that Zack

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Speaker 1: Wilson was going to be the number two overall selection

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Speaker 1: a year ago, we would have totally not believed. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What I like about John Beck's interview and we'll get

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Speaker 1: to him in the last segment. He was very refreshing.

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Speaker 1: You asked him like, when did you know he was

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Speaker 1: gonna be the player he was, and he said, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it takes time. It's in steps. First, could

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Speaker 1: be a good college quarterback, Then does he have a

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Speaker 1: shot to be a quarterback at the next level? And

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Speaker 1: then at what point in the draft do you get selected?

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Speaker 1: So we'll hear from him in a bit, but let's

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Speaker 1: start chronologically. You mentioned Zack Wilson's father, Mike Wilson, changing

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Speaker 1: his diaper as well. Let's start with Mike Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: said that, just to give you a glimpse of the

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Speaker 1: kind of athlete Zack Wilson is, he's riding a bike

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Speaker 1: with no training wheels at two years old. I have

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Speaker 1: a hard time believing that. I have a daughter who's

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Speaker 1: but twenty one months old. I can't imagine her being

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Speaker 1: on a bike without training wheels. But if Zach Wilson

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Speaker 1: really did that, which even though I have a hard

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Speaker 1: that's something else. But also he told you that when

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Speaker 1: Zach was six or seven years old, he's watching YouTube videos,

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Speaker 1: not funny dog videos, but watching instructional videos. In terms

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Speaker 1: of how is that going to help him? Getty better

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Speaker 1: at particular sports. Funny dog videos. That's what a lot

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Speaker 1: I just thought it was funny that you went to

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Speaker 1: the funny dog round. Well where what else you watching

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but Zach Wilson will hear from patrol

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Speaker 1: I've seen an episode of Paul patrol Um. Zach Wilson

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Speaker 1: also big time hooper, like not just playing, but also

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Speaker 1: good grasp of also that relationship that started out as

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Speaker 1: hear all the different perspectives there. You much in basketball

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Speaker 1: in Utah growing up in Utah. Three very big things

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Speaker 1: talking about Mike Wilson, who played at Utah and his

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Speaker 1: going to be YU. Yeah, the the tide has shifted,

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Speaker 1: the tables have turned in the Wilson family. But let's

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Speaker 1: hear from Mike Wilson. Mike just simply put, how would

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Speaker 1: you describe Zack as a kid growing up? You know,

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Speaker 1: that was a pretty uh pretty serious kid. He was

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Speaker 1: Is there, like, I know you've got a big family

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Speaker 1: And I had this little basketball hoop in my basement

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Speaker 1: But he'd always just just had it naturally, and he

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Speaker 1: in particular Zach. So you know coaching Zach Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: and and you know, coaching Zack, it's been uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: There's been definitely been some ups and downs, right with

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Speaker 1: Probably my fault, but um, they brought out a new

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Speaker 1: how do you and Zach approach separating a coach player

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Speaker 1: two major college football programs and it's a really heated

428
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: thing and everybody's got a strong opinion about it. And

429
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: then we have Utah Jazz and so in our state

430
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: that's really that's it. That's those those are the biggest

431
00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,439
Speaker 1: sports items. And then when you consider that we have

432
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: a a national fan base, I mean that's very very

433
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,679
Speaker 1: involved in social media. We've got our own you know,

434
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: TV network and all that stuff to you know, so

435
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,120
Speaker 1: that we are are fans are super into it. And

436
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 1: to play quarterback here comes with a lot of responsibility

437
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of pressure, and I thought Zack handled

438
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: the ups and downs of that like a pro. So

439
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: it's first two seasons, how would you describe two thousand

440
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: eighteen and two thousand nineteen. I think it completed sixty

441
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 1: of passes at twenty three touchdowns and fourteen interceptions. Yeah,

442
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 1: I would just say that it was all part of

443
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: the process. You know, his his freshman year was was

444
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: phenomenal for a freshman. I mean he he got to

445
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: take over the starting job mid season. You know, we

446
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 1: were sort of up and coming, sort of you know,

447
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: getting better, kind of situation was perfect. He got to

448
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: come in and sort of be the heat, and he

449
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: capped off his freshman year with a perfect bowl game.

450
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 1: He was like eighteen for eighteen for I think it

451
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: was three hundred something yards and three touchdown passes or

452
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: something like that. It was a great game. And then

453
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know that he's like the

454
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 1: answer to all our problems, right, and everybody's crowning him just,

455
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: you know, right up there with the greats. And he

456
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: was a freshman and he had a he had a

457
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 1: really serious UH shoulder surgery that offseason, and so then

458
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: he ended up playing his whole sophomore year pretty much injured.

459
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't a dent um. In fact, going

460
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: into the first game, we gave him the opportunity to

461
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,160
Speaker 1: red shirt, and I spoke to him, said, listen, man,

462
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 1: you're not all the way there. You could sit this

463
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:48,439
Speaker 1: year out, get yourself healthy, think about your pro career,

464
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: which I thought was in his future. And he said,

465
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: no way, I'm playing. And he played less than and

466
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,239
Speaker 1: played well though we won some big games. We one

467
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,360
Speaker 1: on the road at Tennessee. I think that was one

468
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: of only two times maybe in b y U history

469
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 1: to win on the road in SEC stadium. We beat

470
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: USC at home in an overtime game. It was a

471
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: really really good win. He had some good games and

472
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 1: then then Uh playing well and then and then breaks

473
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: his thumb midseason making a tackle by the way just

474
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: he's a tough kid, and this is a few more

475
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: games with the thumb injury. Again. I gave him the chance, said, listen,

476
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: you sit the rest of this year out, get your

477
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: thumb right, get your shoulder right. He said, no way,

478
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: I'm playing. So three weeks later he's back in there,

479
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 1: playing again, with not a lot of flexibility in his hand.

480
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: The shoulder still wasn't all the way there, and he

481
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 1: just gutted through it. And and um so his numbers

482
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 1: sophomore year weren't like off the charts, But I was

483
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: really proud of how he played, how the toughness he showed.

484
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: And I thought that that was when he really won

485
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: over his teammate, was the fact that he was willing

486
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 1: to play hurt and he didn't make it about stats

487
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: or anything like that. He was just trying to find

488
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: a way to win. And that's fascinating. Yeah, that's fascinating

489
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: because I don't know if people quite understand the extent

490
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: of his injuries and his coach coming up to him

491
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, listen, you might want a red shirt

492
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:23,400
Speaker 1: this one out and come back fully healthy. Also, you

493
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: said in two thousand and eighteen, you saw that in him,

494
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: that he a pro potential. Huh Yeah, I felt that

495
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: way the first time I saw him practice on our field.

496
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 1: He's he's he has a lot of ability. I loved

497
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: what you said about him in terms of last year,

498
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: thirty three touchdown passes, just three interceptions completed, seventy percent

499
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: of his past is of course, you guys go eleven

500
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: and one. You said he was great last year across

501
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: the board, but some of it his A lot of

502
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: his best plays were the simple ones. What did you

503
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: mean by that, Well, just that you know he can

504
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:09,439
Speaker 1: do some special things. But I thought in his his

505
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,120
Speaker 1: his last year here, he he just let the offense

506
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: work for him. He let his playmakers make the plays

507
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: and if, if, if you can keep the play simple,

508
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: keep it simple. And I thought he did a great

509
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: job of that last year. Just um, you know, there's enough,

510
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: there's enough opportunities in a game where you have to

511
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: do something maybe off the script, and those things, those

512
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: things are gonna happen. But I thought last year he

513
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: was just really mature and showed a lot of growth

514
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: at just letting the offense work for him and trusting

515
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 1: in his teammates. And I know that's gonna be absolutely

516
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: critical for him at the next level. Uh, you know,

517
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: you gotta You're only as good as the system and

518
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: the players around you, and you gotta let those guys.

519
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 1: Those guys are getting paid to make plays, and you

520
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: gotta get him the ball. The Jets talk about his

521
00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: mental horsepower. What kind of football intellect does Zach have? Also?

522
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: How quickly does he process? Because everybody talks about how

523
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: much he lives in the film room and he just

524
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: loves the game. Yeah, he wore me out, to be

525
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: honest with you, I mean he uh, he kept me,

526
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: He made me a better coach, kept me on my toes. Um.

527
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: You know I was. I was always worried about showing

528
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: up to our quarterback meetings. You know. I never wanted

529
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: to show up and have him no more than I

530
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: do about the opponent, or for him to have seen

531
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: more film than I've seen about a given topic, which

532
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: was a challenge I had to stay. I had to

533
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: work to stay ahead of him. And when it came

534
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: to game planning, I was always, you know, working really

535
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: hard to have a game plan that didn't have flaws

536
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 1: in it, because if it did, he would he would

537
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: find those flaws and say, coach, what about this or uh,

538
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 1: just just those things. You know, he's he's he's a

539
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: voracious film guy and and he's he works at it

540
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: really hard and it made me a better coach. It

541
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 1: was fun to work with him. Some guys are quick

542
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: on the board, but when you get on the field,

543
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: they're a little bit slower in terms of processing. This

544
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: seems like he's got both that he'll eat it up

545
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: and he'll go up on the board, but when he

546
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: plays on the field and chaos is around him, he

547
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: can be common off to make the right decisions but

548
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: also go through those progressions mightily quick. Yeah, he's got

549
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: a great presence on the field. I can't remember I

550
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: heard Steve Young comments something about that about Zack just

551
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: his ability. He just he's really calm in chaotic situations. Um,

552
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: he does have you know, a great energy and fire

553
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: about him in the right moments. But um, he's in

554
00:29:55,480 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: college game he was very very poised under pressure, and um,

555
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: he'll he's a really physical, he's a tough guy. He'll

556
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: take he'll take hits if he has to. But he's

557
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: smart about He got a lot smarter in his college

558
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: career about not taking dumb hits his last year here,

559
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: and I know he's gonna need to keep getting better

560
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: at that. Um. But yeah, he's a he's a really

561
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 1: sharp guy, and he's ahead of his you know, he's

562
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: he's ahead of his uh most most players his age,

563
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: at his knowledge of the game. I know, now this

564
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 1: next level is gonna be a huge challenge for that.

565
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: But what is the most unique thing about Zack Wilson's

566
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 1: skill set? People talk about the way the ball explodes

567
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: off his hands. We know about his mobility, uh, and

568
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: and being able to throw quote unquote off platform like

569
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: you talked about before. Um, what stands out to you

570
00:30:55,240 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: above all the rest his accuracy? It's uh and I

571
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of accurate qbs in that league,

572
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: but um, he throws the ball with great accuracy from

573
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: just about any situation you might need it. And um,

574
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: he can he can put the ball. You know, sometimes

575
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: the difference between a five yard gain and then a

576
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: ball guy can run with for five or ten more

577
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: yards might just be five or six inches. And he's

578
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: a guy that understands how to get the ball in

579
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: the right place so a guy has a chance to

580
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: run with it after the catch he has a great

581
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: understanding of where to put the ball to protect one

582
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: of his receivers from taking a big hit. Um. He

583
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: just he's got great accuracy and he can do it

584
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: from the pocket or on the move. And I think,

585
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, years from now, I think that will be

586
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: something he's known for. Aaron, thank you so much for

587
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: your time today, and congratulations on the promotion. Good Luck

588
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: is offensive coordinator at b Y U appreciate it, guys,

589
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: thank you. All right, So we've heard from Mike Wilson,

590
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: We've heard from Aaron Roderick. Now let's here from John Back.

591
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: And before we get into Back, can you paint us

592
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: the picture of Zack Wilson. Summer has travel between Utah

593
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: and California where he was training, so COVID hits and

594
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things are shut down, right, So he

595
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: said he was going to use that time to make

596
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: himself a better football player. So no surprise here that

597
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson decides he's gonna drive back and forth from

598
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: Utah to southern California to work with Beck, which is

599
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 1: like ten hours. And then on the weekends, he wasn't

600
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: driving to Southern California, he was flying to southern California.

601
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: So it all came together for him, I think last

602
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 1: year in that offseason because he was over the shoulder injury,

603
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: he was over the thumb injury, and then he got

604
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: going with the fire details and really became more of

605
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: a complete player. And Beck at three d QB, those

606
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: guys are not just talking about getting you better physically,

607
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 1: but mentally and emotionally and raising your awareness. And I

608
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: think all those things came together. So then you fast

609
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: forward to two thousand twenty guys pretty much an unstoppable

610
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: force on the field. And Beck talked about his work ethic.

611
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people have talked about Zack Wilson's work ethic. Well,

612
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: the word that Beck used to describe it is relentless.

613
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: And you heard that from Aaron Roderick. He got a

614
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: sense from it from Mike Wilson even from a young age.

615
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: But John Beck really goes into detail as to what

616
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: that work ethic is. And also when you think about

617
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 1: the story you just laid out there driving ten hours

618
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: to and from Utah and California. And then also it's

619
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: been publicized that he worked for door Dash on the

620
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: side during a little extra listen as you talked to

621
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: Mike Wilson. No, but I'm saying that story was out there,

622
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: like I'm saying, I'm saying like it wasn't like it

623
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,879
Speaker 1: was a secret before Mike Wilson told us that. I'm

624
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: saying like that story was out there. He worked for

625
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: door dash in California to get his mom a Mother's

626
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 1: Day gift, and you know, I think that shows the

627
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: type of work ethic end the type of person that

628
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,359
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson is. And the one other thing I loved

629
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: about John Beck when he was describing Zack Wilson, you

630
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: talked about how explosive of an athlete he is, and

631
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: you just don't quite hear that about every single quarterback.

632
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. He said, it's hard to

633
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: find a guy with more natural arm talent explosive athlete

634
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 1: twitchy uh, and those kind of go under the radar because, yeah,

635
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: everybody talks about him being able to throw off platform

636
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: and make all this rows and stuff like that. But

637
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: I think a lot of that goes back to basketball

638
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: because Beck said, hey, listen, if you were at a park,

639
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: you just took Zack Wilson to a park, you would

640
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: say you will be wowed. By his Athleticis you mean

641
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: you mean like in hoops, Yeah, yeah, yeah, or just

642
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: drawing the ball around. I just see, he's a natural athlete.

643
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 1: He's a natural athlete, but he's also a worker who's

644
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: mastered the monotony. That's what Beck said, because he knows

645
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: that to get better, it's all about refinement. And he

646
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: used Robert slid term he's invested. This kid is twenty

647
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: one years old, but he's fully invested on the finer

648
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: details of things. All right, Well, that's another great segue.

649
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: Let's hear from John Beck. John, we're about a month

650
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: removed from the NFL draft. How much contact have you

651
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: had with Zach Wilson sensed the draft? Um, you know,

652
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: we've had times to talk on the phone, here, there

653
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: text exchanges. UM. I know he was super excited to

654
00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: get out there as soon as it happened, right. That

655
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 1: feeling of I know what, how, what I'm gonna put on?

656
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: I knew I'm gonna be playing for and this is

657
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: happening was really exciting for him. But we've had a

658
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: few exchanges to hear about just how it's all going

659
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: and him adapting to the new situation. Um, and how

660
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: he feels like he's doing it's been good so far. Well,

661
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: let's talk about the new situation. You were very vocal

662
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: about it right around the time Wilson was drafted by

663
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: the Jets. You said that you think he's going to

664
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 1: a good spot. Why I do. I think it's because

665
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: it's all about people. My favorite thing was when I

666
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: heard the phone conversation between him and Coach Solid about

667
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: when Coach Solis said, it's not about you lifting this

668
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: team up, it's about us lifting you up. I just

669
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: felt there's so much wisdom in those words and so

670
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: much experience in those words, especially coming from a coach

671
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the football, to be able

672
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: to have that perspective for his young quarterback, I think

673
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: it's very unique, and I think it's exactly the environment

674
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: that Zach needs to be in. It's very easy for

675
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: young quarterbacks to feel like they need to have some

676
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: heroic effort or some amazing performance followed by some other

677
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: amazing performance to you know, to turn something around. But

678
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: that's that's not what it's about. It's a team game.

679
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 1: These are organizations that are bringing a lot of people

680
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: into the building, and it's all these moving parts, and

681
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: really Zack is just one of those pieces, and he

682
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: can't try to do too much too fast, or try

683
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: to play like a Hall of Fame quarterback in his

684
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 1: first season. He just needs to grow and develop. And

685
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: that's why I'm excited for it. And you know, I'm

686
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: really excited for Mike Laflour. I think he's been around

687
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 1: a lot of really good coaches. He's learned under some

688
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 1: really good coaches, and it's gonna be a great opportunity

689
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 1: for him to kind of take flight. And that sounds

690
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: perfect for the Jets, right, Isn't that one of the things. Uh,

691
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: But it's gonna be really exciting for him as a

692
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: play caller, and to do that with a young quarterback

693
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: and both of them grow together. That's why I'm excited

694
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: for it. Before Zach was breaking records at b YU,

695
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: John Beck was breaking records at b YU. How special

696
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: is that fraternity? You guys who played the position there? Yeah,

697
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: it's really cool. And you know, for me, it was

698
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: guys that went before me, Guys that are in the

699
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: College Football Hall of Fame, guy that's been a Heisman

700
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 1: Trophy winner, guys that have been draft picks. It was

701
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 1: really cool for me to be a by U quarterback,

702
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: and it's been just as cool for me to help

703
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: out another by U quarterback. And you know, the things

704
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: that Zach was able to accomplish this last year, we're spectacular, remarkable.

705
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be nearly impossible for any quarterback to duplicate

706
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: the type of season that Zach had last year. But

707
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 1: the thing that's the coolest for me was I got

708
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: to meet him when he was eighteen years old, before

709
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: he had taken a single college snap, and to see

710
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: the work that he put in, to see the way

711
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: he progressed, to see that maturity that he's developed, and

712
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: the ups and downs, and to kind of ride that

713
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: with him. That to me, is the best part about

714
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: helping somebody on their journey. It's going through all of

715
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: those things and then having an experience like with Zak

716
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: had Is in terms of a season, and then being

717
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: able to be drafted so high. That's to me the

718
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 1: cool part. But going back to being a b U quarterback,

719
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's something I will always whole dear because

720
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: it took a lot to get there, and it was

721
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: a lot of hard work while I was there, and

722
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm sure if you asked Zach the very same question,

723
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: He'll say the same thing. It was a lot of

724
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: hard work and it took a lot because there is

725
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: an expectation. There's Dave O'Brien winners, not just one or two,

726
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 1: but a number of them that have gone before you,

727
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: and that's the expectation at the school. They don't care

728
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: that those things were accomplished in the eighties, you know,

729
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: or the nineties. They look at it as no matter

730
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: who's playing that position, if you are the b y

731
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: U quarterback, they expect you to play tops in the

732
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: country and if not, they're saying, we got to go

733
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: find somebody else. So it's it's really truly a special

734
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: group to be a part of and it prepares, i

735
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: think the quarterback well for the next stage at the NFL.

736
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: You played in the National Football League. At what point

737
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: you said you met Zack when he was eighteen years

738
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 1: old and he actually became the youngest quarterback to start

739
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: at b y U. At what point did you know

740
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: that he's got pro potential um his first year you

741
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: saw he had the potential to be a the good

742
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: college quarterback. You saw these pieces right like this, can

743
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 1: this kid can develop into a really good college quarterback,

744
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: and you're not jumping too far ahead. I don't ever

745
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: look at a high school kid and be like, oh man,

746
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,479
Speaker 1: he's gonna make it to the pros. There's just there's

747
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: too many things going on, there's too many things out

748
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: of his control, there's too many things that he needs

749
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: to work on. But I would probably say it was

750
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: kind of like entering that sophomore year. I kind of

751
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: gave some agents some like, hey, you know, just keep

752
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: your eye on this kid. And there was no way

753
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:31,279
Speaker 1: to know that he was gonna be the number two pick,

754
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: but you saw the makings of somebody that had all

755
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: of these pieces that, if they came together the right way,

756
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: would be somewhere in the top end of the draft.

757
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: And then even going into his junior year, there was

758
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: no way for us to predict it. But you know,

759
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: we had a unique experience at three DQV where we

760
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: get to have all these guys that are successful NFL

761
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: quarterbacks trained with us and then out walks Zack and

762
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: so you're looking at what they do during their workouts,

763
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: and you're looking at what Zach would do during his

764
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: and you're saying, I know this guy will play at

765
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: the next level. That was a no brainer. Um, what round,

766
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: what pick? You don't know those things, but it was

767
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: definitely this guy will absolutely be an NFL quarterback, all right.

768
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: So he got healthy after the two thousand nineteen season

769
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: and then he started making the voyage, the pilgrimage to

770
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: three d QB. What is three d QB set it

771
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: up for us because I know this story has been

772
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: often told that he spent a lot of time with

773
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: you prior to the two thousand twenty season, But what

774
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: is that facility like and what is a day like

775
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 1: that you would spend in the off season with Zack? Yeah,

776
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: I would say that you know, three d QB. What

777
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: we are is basically a lot of NFL quarterbacks were

778
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: finding ways what can I do to be the very best?

779
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: And at that level, it's all about small percentage points

780
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: and really, Drew Brees is kind of at the heart

781
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,959
Speaker 1: of it. Drew Brees, Tom Brady, It was through Drew

782
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: Breeze that I kind of started this like way of

783
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: thinking with a few people that I was working with

784
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: at the time when I was playing, and then really

785
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: it just evolved into me and my partner Adam Dato

786
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: saying all right, this is the beginnings of it. It's

787
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: this little thing happening at USC and there's three of us.

788
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 1: They're working. But we knew it was gonna grow, it

789
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: was gonna evolve, and we moved down to Huntington's Beach

790
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: and Adam Dato and myself said, all right, here's where

791
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: we think this can go. Um, And really it's just

792
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: been in the last six years. It's just each year

793
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: we get more and more players coming to us, helping

794
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: more and more of the elite guys play at their

795
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: very highest level. And so from a college football players perspective,

796
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: you have an opportunity to come in and basically the

797
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: coach the same way that these NFL guys are being coached.

798
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: And it's not just biomechanics. A lot of people think, oh, yeah,

799
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 1: three d QB. You guys are you know, you have

800
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: ties to Tom House and that was the beginnings of

801
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: it way back in two thousand thirteen. So you guys

802
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,840
Speaker 1: are all buying mechanics and that's not even close to it. Um,

803
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: that's just part of what we do. But when it could,

804
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: like when a college guy comes to us, they get

805
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: all facets of everything that we are doing. To help

806
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: top NFL quarterbacks play at their highest level. The communication

807
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: that we have with their coordinators and quarterback coaches and

808
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: how thing's been to their offensive system. It's their drop backs,

809
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: It's the way that their body flows within a progression.

810
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: It's the mechanical variables during all aspects of the throwing motion,

811
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: and also the movements that go into the pocket, movements

812
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: into the throwing motion. All of those things are broken

813
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: down enhanced, and really, if I could say one thing,

814
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: it's we're raising quarterbacks awareness of themselves, not just in

815
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: the way that they throw, but in the way that

816
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: they practice and the way that they see schemes and

817
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: the way that they see what they do making a throw.

818
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: If we can heighten that awareness, it changes the way

819
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: that they practice, not just when they're with us, but

820
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: how they practice on their own. And that's our biggest

821
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: thing that we want to impact. We want to impact

822
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: them in such a way that every single day that

823
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: they work on their craft of quarterback, it's been impacted

824
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: by the things that we've helped them. And that really,

825
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: truly is probably the best way I can say what

826
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: we do at three DQ BE. You guys have worked

827
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: with the best of the best when you're talking about

828
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, when you're talking about Tom Brady, what were

829
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: the certain things that you wanted to work on prior

830
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: to the two thousand twenty season with Zach Wilson. And also,

831
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: what can you say about Zack's work ethic because it's

832
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: become a legendary these stories that he's driving back and

833
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: forth from Utah and then on the weekends, he wasn't

834
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,439
Speaker 1: going back and forth in a car, He's flying there. Yeah.

835
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just he's he's relentless. I would say

836
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: the best word is probably relentless. Um. He's always dialed

837
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: in on how he can improve in any opportunity he

838
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 1: has to do that, he's taking advantage of it. For Zach,

839
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: there was a lot of uh, talent, potential, athleticism, all

840
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: of those things have been there. Um. You know, the

841
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: quarterback position is unique because it doesn't come down to

842
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: those aspects of talent alone. Right, it has to be

843
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,800
Speaker 1: these refined skills. It has to be functioning within these space.

844
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: As a talented athlete within a pocket can do a

845
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: myriad of things. But do they always help in the protection?

846
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: Did they always helping the play? You know? It may

847
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: look really cool that the guy can take off and

848
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: do those things, but within the play and the scheme,

849
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: is that really the most efficient way you can play?

850
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: So for Zach it was tying a lot of things together,

851
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: not just with his athleticism, but how is athleticism tied

852
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: into the play design. Was he trying to do too

853
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: much at times? Was he putting himself in a bad

854
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: position at times? Or could he put himself in a

855
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: more efficient position? All of those things that we tried together.

856
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't about hey, let's get you know, more arm

857
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: strength on this kid, like he had a talented arm.

858
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: Did his arm improve over the three years we worked together. Yes,

859
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: But it wasn't like he showed up with some weak

860
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: arm um. You know, he came pretty pretty talented as

861
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: a high school kids. So it was really about like

862
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: this refining process and then looking at everything within the play.

863
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 1: Are you trying to do too much? Are you trying

864
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: to make a play any when it's not there? Or

865
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: at times are you putting your health in jeopardy and

866
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: maybe you won't be there for the next play. It's

867
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: playing smarter. A lot of what Zack just needed to

868
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: do was just those little fine tuning things because the

869
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: cool part for him, Not every quarterback gets this in

870
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: college football, but he got to have the same coordinator

871
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: for three years. So you were watching this young man

872
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: mature and progressed within a system to where he got

873
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: to the point where he mastered the system. He knew everything.

874
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: It was just gonna be about with him playing smarter

875
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: within that system with all the tools that he has.

876
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: And then when you get to take all those tools

877
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,479
Speaker 1: plus his understanding and then play a really smart way,

878
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: you get what we all got to witness last year.

879
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: Do you like his calmness and amidst the storm there

880
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: seems to be a lot of times. Yeah, he can

881
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: be accurate in the pocket, but he's very accurate off platform,

882
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: and then when things are breaking down, doesn't seem like

883
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: he panics too much. What stood out to me last year, Yeah,

884
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: completed seventy of his pastes. Yeah, it was great in

885
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: the red zone. He thirty three time sounds, but he

886
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: had three interceptions, So that speaks to his decision making. Yeah,

887
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: he's really smart with his decision making. He knows when

888
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: to take chances. Going back to that three years in

889
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: the same offense, I think he had a great understanding

890
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: of when to take a chance when it's there, um,

891
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: when to handle things the right way. Here's what I

892
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 1: will say, you talk about that calmness and chaos when

893
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 1: somebody's practiced the right things, when they know and have

894
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: a confidence in making those difficult throws, they don't have

895
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: to panic. They've put themselves in those positions all the

896
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: time on the practice field, so it's not something new

897
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 1: to them. It's just the movement, it's space, it's the

898
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: things that they feel the confidence in doing. I think

899
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: all of us at times when we watch I'm gonna

900
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: use the Olympics and you see somebody do something the

901
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: Olympics that seems just amazing, and they do it with

902
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: such calmness. It's because they have spent years refining that craft,

903
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: and all of us as people in the audience are

904
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: just in awe with how it seemed to just flow

905
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: so effortlessly. Um. But there's so much behind the scenes

906
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: work that goes into it. And that's really what I

907
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: believe Zach is a master of. It's somebody who loves

908
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: the monotony, the repetitive nature of this ti, the style

909
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 1: of practice you have to have to be good at

910
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: those things to make them look easy, because they're not.

911
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: They don't come easy, but because you have all that

912
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: time invested constantly doing it over and over and over

913
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: and over. And trust me, I've seen him miss a

914
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: bunch of those throws years ago. But he just kept grind, grinding,

915
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 1: kept grinding. That's what I believe makes him calm in

916
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: that storm. And you know what, the storm is gonna

917
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 1: get bigger. Um. The storms that he faced at b

918
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: y U in college football, Uh, those are you know,

919
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: tropical storms. Now you're gonna get some what feels like hurricanes, right.

920
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: But I think his nature of a as a competitor,

921
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: he's going to look forward to those and he's gonna

922
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: have some failures, right, That's that's gonna happen. He's gonna

923
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: have some games where he take some bad sacks. He's

924
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 1: gonna have some games where you throw some interceptions. That

925
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 1: just happens in a young quarterbacks development. The biggest key

926
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: is when he goes back to the building on those

927
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: Monday mornings and he's watching take It's how he responds

928
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: and learns from those things that's gonna be the biggest

929
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 1: indicator of his future success. John how excited are you

930
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: personally for his next steps? Obviously you've trained a lot

931
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: of guys over the years, but and you do establish

932
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: bonds with people. I'm not saying you don't, but you

933
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: and Zach share a lot in calm and considering your backgrounds,

934
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: just considering how much you've invested in him, how much

935
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 1: he's absorbed from you, how much personally are you excited

936
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,840
Speaker 1: for what's to come. Well, you definitely feel invested almost

937
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, I don't have a child at that age.

938
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 1: I don't have a child that's even played high school

939
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: football yet. But you definitely feel invested when you've worked

940
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: with somebody in that way for that long. You know,

941
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: a lot of sacrifices were made on both ends, right

942
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: Like his playing flight gets in at six o'clock in

943
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: the evening on Friday nights. You know, there's a lot

944
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: of Friday nights that would have been nice to hang

945
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: out with the wife and thank goodness, she was understanding

946
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: of going to a park at six o'clock at night

947
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: and getting some working. So you do feel invested. I'm

948
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: really excited for him. I want all quarterbacks that I

949
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: am around to have good experiences. Um I had a

950
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: unique experience as a rookie in the NFL with the team.

951
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: I went to the situation they were in, and it

952
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,360
Speaker 1: really caused me to just I root for quarterbacks, a

953
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks, even the ones I don't train. I

954
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: just I just root for guys because I know what

955
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,240
Speaker 1: they've invested, I know what they want to have happened.

956
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: But the NFL is crazy, and it's just all these

957
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 1: things happening so fast, and sometimes young quarterbacks land in

958
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,920
Speaker 1: really difficult situations. So for me, I love that the

959
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: Jets are invested in him. I love what they've done

960
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: to say that's our guy. And that's why, going back

961
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: to the beginning of this interview, what the head coach

962
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: said about the team lifting him up, I'm excited for

963
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: that because I see a chance for development. There's so

964
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: many things I've said a bunch of them already on

965
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: this interview of things that I believe Zach possesses that

966
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: will help him be a great quarter back. But I

967
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: can promise you possessing those things does not guarantee it.

968
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 1: It's all the things that happened on the field that practice.

969
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: There's so much in front of Zach that needs to

970
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: go a certain way so he can be the quarterback

971
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: I believe he can be. And yes, I'm excited for that.

972
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 1: I'm excited for all aspects, not just the ups. I'm

973
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 1: excited to see how he responds on the downs. I'm

974
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: excited to see how he's gonna grow from July to August,

975
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: when all of a sudden he gets to have all

976
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: these O T A s and then he gets to

977
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: go back and watch him on tape and he gets

978
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: to grow and have training camp, and then I'm excited

979
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: for when training camp ends and he's got a little

980
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: bit of time to say, all right, now it's now

981
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,720
Speaker 1: the like bullets are live and I'm the starting quarterback

982
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: of the Jets, and now I'm excited for all those things.

983
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: And you know, if I can make it happen, I

984
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: want to be in the stance for that first game. Well,

985
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 1: the ballets are gonna be alive awfully soon. It's been

986
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 1: a great ride to date. John, thank you so much

987
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: for spending time with us today. Yeah, you guys are welcome.

988
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: Great stuff from everybody. Mike Wilson, Aaron Roderick, John Beck.

989
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 1: Now let's pay the picture of Zack Wilson with the

990
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: Jets a little bit what we've seen. It's been a

991
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,919
Speaker 1: short amount of time since we've seen him on the field.

992
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: We haven't even seen him in pads yet, but he's

993
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 1: endured his rookie ebbs and flows. Yesterday's practice, a couple

994
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: of interceptions, practice before that, a couple of great throws,

995
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: a couple of wowing throws. I mean, I think he's

996
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: definitely ahead of the curve in terms of a rookie.

997
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: I agree. I think it's hard not to be excited

998
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: when you watch him on the practice field. Now they

999
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: are in shorts and Sala says that you're gonna learn

1000
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,280
Speaker 1: more about people through adversity and conflict, and John Beck

1001
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: said there will be times where this guy is gonna

1002
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: be on a football field and takes some sacks that

1003
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: he shouldn't. He's gonna have some interceptions that he regrets.

1004
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: It's how are you going to respond to that? Uh?

1005
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: I love how the way back explained it at b

1006
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: y U. Maybe he saw some tropical storms in the

1007
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: National Football League, You're gonna be seeing some hurricanes. I

1008
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: like that. I like that, and I think we'll really

1009
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: see what happens when the pads come on in training camp.

1010
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 1: But I think it would be difficult to find somebody

1011
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: that's been at practice here at one Jet Strive and

1012
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: whether that's O T S or mini camp and has

1013
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 1: come away not being impressed by Zack Wilson. Great touch,

1014
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: a great touch on the football. Uh, the ball explodes

1015
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: off his hands, his hand, he can throw it for

1016
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: many different arm angle. This system favors a quarterback who

1017
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: is a fluid mover. We've talked all podcasts long about

1018
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:42,240
Speaker 1: how athletic this guy is. He can't get enough mentally.

1019
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: La Fleur said that I have a hard time because

1020
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: I want to pump the brakes a little bit, but

1021
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: he wants more. Um. He's also that might be the

1022
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: only time that somebody in the building pumps the break

1023
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: all gas, no break, that's right and salah and you

1024
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: law this one Slid said about the football one on one,

1025
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:07,280
Speaker 1: three oh one, five oh one. I think Zach Wilson

1026
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: is a great student, so he's gonna take all one

1027
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: on one in. But then he's not looking to skip

1028
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: his stuff. He wants to master that, but then he

1029
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 1: wants to go to three oh one and he wants

1030
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: to go to five and one. But yeah, listen, bottom

1031
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: line is, if you watch him on a football field,

1032
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 1: he is There's a reason he was a number two

1033
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 1: overall pick in the draft. Right. I also think he

1034
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:34,440
Speaker 1: looks in control for a rookie, right. I Mean, I

1035
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: know this might seem slight, but we we both had

1036
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: a conversation about it on the field when Zack Wilson

1037
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: got somebody on a on a hard count, right, And

1038
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: that's that might be football three oh one as opposed

1039
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,320
Speaker 1: to football one on one. And Zach Wilson has shown

1040
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: the intuition to go from a touch throw one play

1041
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: down the sideline to an immediate row the next play

1042
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: over the middle of the field. And we saw that

1043
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: in practice many times. And also we've also seen the

1044
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,959
Speaker 1: accuracy the ball placement. I'm just singing about the play

1045
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: to Elijah More down the sideline with Bryce Hall in

1046
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: good coverage, but Zack Wilson put it in this spot

1047
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: where Elijah Moore would be the only one to get it.

1048
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: And going back to the interview with Roderick, is that

1049
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: he said he knows where to put the football where

1050
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: a guy can take it five ten yards after the catch,

1051
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 1: as opposed to maybe just somebody coming up with the

1052
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: catch and there's no yak um or putting the receiver

1053
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: in a good position where he's not going to take

1054
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 1: a big pop. Those are big things in the National

1055
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: Football League, where you're playing with the best of the

1056
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: best every week. Interesting transition be why you most Saturdays

1057
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: last year they were the more talented team on the

1058
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: field and the National Football League a lot of times

1059
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 1: you're lining up with teams that have about equal talent

1060
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 1: and you so it's s those finer things. But not

1061
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: only Zack Wilson. This class, this draft class has a

1062
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,399
Speaker 1: chance to be special. I'm telling you that right now.

1063
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,160
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's a way that we can

1064
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: continue on this podcast. That's a great way to put

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Speaker 1: a period at the end of this sentence. And that

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Speaker 1: was another episode of the podcast profile series right here

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Speaker 1: on the Official Jets Podcast.