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Speaker 1: Time to give them their flowers. Welcome Birg Gang. On

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Speaker 1: today's show, Danny Surrek joins me. An interesting article on

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Speaker 1: NFL dot Com spurred this conversation players, whether on offense

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Speaker 1: or defense, who might have flown under the radar but

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Speaker 1: certainly deserve praise based on their play this season. First though,

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Speaker 1: our thoughts on the upcoming Pro Bowl and the two

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Speaker 1: College All Star Games. Also, change is coming to the

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Speaker 1: coaching staff. It's Cardinals Cover two, episode eight forty six,

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Speaker 1: and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Budda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again

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Speaker 1: some more Hurry Magic.

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Speaker 2: Here's Craig Grila.

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Speaker 1: So it's been a little while since we've been in

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Speaker 1: this studio together, at least here on Cardinals cover too.

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Speaker 1: So I've got to ask, it's it's been a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks. How are things in Danny surrexx world all good?

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Speaker 1: Since the season ended?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how come I haven't been here in a couple

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, you know, the off season and

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Speaker 1: there's less stuff happening. There's still stuff happening, but it's

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Speaker 3: We've got a rotation basis.

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Speaker 1: I could pencil you in for every single day if.

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Speaker 3: You wi, that's fine, every single day. Hold on, hit

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Speaker 3: a second, hold on, I'm busy.

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Speaker 1: All of a sudden, she just her calendar just filled up.

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Speaker 1: She slipped at her phone and said, Nope, can't do it.

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Speaker 1: Call me next week.

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Speaker 3: Every day you want me to show up and work hard? Crags.

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Speaker 1: No, we would not want that. Although, okay, someone is listening. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we show up every single day and work hard.

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Speaker 3: Yes, we work harder than the day before. I am

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Speaker 3: happy to be back.

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Speaker 1: To smile on our faces as well. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: bit of news that has happened. I wouldn't say minutes,

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Speaker 1: when people hear this on Wednesday, maybe things changed because

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Speaker 1: life happens fast in the National Football League. But some

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Speaker 1: coaching news. One we already know what one member of

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Speaker 1: the coaching staff has departed. Linebacker's coach Sam Cefist sifkis

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Speaker 1: congratulations to him. He gets a coordinator job on the

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Speaker 1: you won a right. Now there's two big holes within

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Speaker 3: Five, Mac Wilson Senior, as great as he is, is

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Speaker 1: Illustrated's Connor Orr that not only is there an interest,

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Speaker 1: And now all of a sudden, Okay, you've got one

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Speaker 1: for me personally losing Clayton Adams, it's an offensive line coach. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you maintain your coordinators, Yes, but that offensive line room,

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Speaker 3: I feel about the Brian Schottenheimer higher as the Dallas

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Speaker 3: because you'd have to imagine Schottenheimer is going to call play.

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Speaker 3: So if Adams is hired as the Cowboys offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 3: a very nice job keeping quarterback Kyler Murray upright this season,

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Speaker 3: adversity there, it would be it would be a loss

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Speaker 3: if Clayton Adams is hired and chooses to go to

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Speaker 3: It's not going to shake up an offense the way

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Speaker 3: would still be a pretty big blow if you're losing

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Speaker 1: And let's speak clear, it would be a happy loss

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Speaker 1: Are there all pros in that room?

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Speaker 1: Are there Pro Bowlers? No? But you could argue Paris

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Speaker 3: They did. And it's different blocking for a quarterback as

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Speaker 1: every head coach has that regular list and they go

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Speaker 3: There is still consistency. Even if you do end up

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Speaker 3: there is still enough consistency from the head coach down

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Speaker 1: Perfect example, Darius Robinson I believe, I don't know the

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Speaker 1: There's an article up on Easycardinals dot com written by

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Speaker 3: talked about his run defense and the slat is an

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Speaker 3: area to improve, but the fact that he allowed just

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Speaker 3: a fifty five point nine percent for completion percentage. Garrett

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Speaker 3: Williams had a spectacular year his first full season since

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Speaker 3: he only played half of last year as a rookie

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Speaker 3: since he was rehabbing a knee injury he suffered late

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Speaker 3: in college. He is what this staff wants out of

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Speaker 3: their star defensive players in terms of the intelligence, the

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Speaker 3: physical skill set, the work ethic, putting the team in

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Speaker 3: front of them, and actually going out and executing on

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Speaker 3: a consistent basis for this defense, Williams has the ability

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Speaker 3: both with his mind and his body to play multiple

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Speaker 3: positions on this defense, and he he solidified himself as

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Speaker 3: a starter, is an important piece of this defense with

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Speaker 3: his play this season.

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Speaker 1: Maybe gets overshadowed because a Buddha baker, but certainly someone

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Speaker 1: that if you watch the Cardinals each and every week,

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Speaker 1: you saw it from day one, his season debut, his

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Speaker 1: NFL debut, the interception in Seattle, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: it is like, okay, right place, right time. No, he

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Speaker 1: is well prepared to be in the right place to

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Speaker 1: put himself in position to make plays. So yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: not unsung or overlooked or surprised, but certainly someone that

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Speaker 1: maybe falls a little bit under the radar when you

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Speaker 1: talk about the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: Defensively, that's a good way to put it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, is there someone else, like if you were going

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Speaker 1: to pick someone on offense that this kind of reminds

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Speaker 1: me of the beyond the box score player of the year,

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Speaker 1: someone that maybe statistically hasn't had a great season, but

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Speaker 1: you take them off the field, you take them off

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Speaker 1: this team, Oh there are problems to be had.

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Speaker 3: If we're talking about offense specifically, my mind would go

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Speaker 3: to center yell to Froholdt as a player in a

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Speaker 3: position where you're not going to have a lot of

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Speaker 3: stats show up. However, if you're noticing them more times

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Speaker 3: than not, it's not for good reason. And so in

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Speaker 3: that sense, you didn't really notice frohold that's because he

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Speaker 3: was consistent in his communication, in reading the defense and

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Speaker 3: communication not only with the offensive lineman, which we've talked about,

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Speaker 3: was dealing with adversity and having a lot of changes,

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Speaker 3: and he was the anchor in that communication with your

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Speaker 3: quarterback and consistently snapping or handing off the ball, whatever

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Speaker 3: that might be. There have been times in the past

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Speaker 3: where you can see, not even just with this organization,

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Speaker 3: not even just with this quarterback, any team, any quarterback,

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Speaker 3: you can see what happens when you don't have that

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Speaker 3: consistency there the communication or the snaps or the handoffs

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Speaker 3: or whatever that might be, and the trickle down effect

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Speaker 3: that has so Center yelled to Rohold would probably be

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Speaker 3: my answer for unstid hero of just everything he does

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Speaker 3: to anchor that offensive line and how it all starts

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Speaker 3: with him. He is one of two players that is

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Speaker 3: touching the ball on offense every single play, and he's

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Speaker 3: done a very nice job and earned that contract extension

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Speaker 3: before the season even ended.

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Speaker 1: Along that same thinking, I would hate to imagine that

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Speaker 1: offensive line without Kevin Beacham this season, considering JOHNA. Williams

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Speaker 1: goes out, comes back, leaves again and all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden beach you talk about needing that swing tackle. He

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Speaker 1: played both the left and the right side, and in

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Speaker 1: a pinch could didn't this season, but could play on

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Speaker 1: the interior as well. A valuable piece on the field

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Speaker 1: and in certainly a valuable piece in that locker room.

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Speaker 1: He has been given the green light by the decision

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Speaker 1: maker his wife to play a fourteenth season if he

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Speaker 1: wants to. It certainly sounds like when we spoke to

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Speaker 1: him the day after the season he would like to play.

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Speaker 1: It's just a matter of if it's going to be

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Speaker 1: here with the Arizona Cardinals or somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: A big question mark, a big question mark to address

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Speaker 3: in free agency when The Cardinals drafted Christian Jones last year,

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Speaker 3: presumably to be a future swing tackle. Is he ready

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Speaker 3: to do that? Do you want to keep Calvin Beacham

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Speaker 3: here and have competition at least through training camp and

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Speaker 3: give yourself some time before you have to make a decision.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I like that answer a lot, though.

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Speaker 3: I like the play that Beacham put out there. On

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Speaker 3: a consistent basis, You're right on both sides of the

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Speaker 3: line and in a pinch.

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Speaker 1: Played the fourth most snaps on the offensive line. Again,

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Speaker 1: as your swing tackle is your sixth offensive lineman. Just

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Speaker 1: shows you how banged up that room was. Again going

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Speaker 1: back to our conversation about Clayton Adams on how valuable

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Speaker 1: the coaching is to make sure when you lose a

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Speaker 1: shoe is look Nick Rowlis likes to talk about when

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Speaker 1: it comes to injuries, you've got someone to replace, but

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Speaker 1: it takes the coaching and the player as well to

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Speaker 1: fill that spot. Absolutely defensively, anyone stand out that might

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Speaker 1: be under the radar, guy, I do have one in mind,

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Speaker 1: because we actually saw the value of him this season

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Speaker 1: and we didn't last season. LJ.

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Speaker 3: Collier good answer.

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Speaker 1: One game played last season this past season among the

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Speaker 1: team's leaders in tackles for loss. Quarterback Hits played a

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Speaker 1: career high seventeen games. Another free agent to be but

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Speaker 1: you saw in twenty twenty four why the Cardinals went

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Speaker 1: out and gave him that second chance after time in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: To come in twenty twenty three didn't work out that

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Speaker 1: way after the Week one injury in Washington. But someone

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Speaker 1: on that a rotational piece along the defensive line.

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Speaker 3: I like that answer a lot. I'll agree with you

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Speaker 3: on that one for all the reasons you were saying.

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Speaker 3: Somebody this team took a chance on when they signed

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Speaker 3: him the first time as a former first round pick

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Speaker 3: in Seattle that just didn't really pan out the way

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Speaker 3: either side was hoping it would. And then you take

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Speaker 3: a chance on him again when you don't really see

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Speaker 3: a whole lot of him, but you still believe in

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Speaker 3: him and his ability. He is someone who sets the tone.

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Speaker 3: When you talk about wanting a defensive line of some

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Speaker 3: bad bad I can't say it unless Cody wants to

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Speaker 3: use the bleet button. LJ. Collier is a tone setter

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Speaker 3: there and the best way possible. And he goes out

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Speaker 3: and gives one hundred percent on every single down. I

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Speaker 3: like that answer a lot, and a.

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Speaker 1: Good guy in the locker room and a good guy

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Speaker 1: to talk to because of his many interests. And I

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Speaker 1: remember your Sideline Exchange interview with him on just everything

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Speaker 1: else that he's involved with and just how much fun

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Speaker 1: he has playing the game, and how much fun he

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Speaker 1: has with his teammates or just interacting with people in general.

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Speaker 3: He's got a great personality. He has got a personality

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Speaker 3: as big as he is. That's a good way to

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Speaker 3: put it. He's a big dude, got a big personality

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Speaker 3: to match.

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Speaker 1: Ezycardinals dot com, the Arizona Cardinals official YouTube page. If

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Speaker 1: you missed that Sideline Exchange episode, or if you just

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Speaker 1: want to watch Danny Sirek work real hard as she

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Speaker 1: does every single day, Yep, that's right, all right? What

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Speaker 1: he got the rest of the week. Big plans of

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Speaker 1: the weekend.

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Speaker 3: Working hard, working hard.

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Speaker 1: Good answer. Senior Bowl on Saturday, Pro Bowl on Sunday,

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Speaker 1: back to work on Monday. Right.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: The hamster wheel never changes, never stops, never stops moving.

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Speaker 1: That's the National Football League, and because of it, we've

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Speaker 1: got jobs, which is always good, good, all right, So

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Speaker 1: get back to work, Danny, and make sure you continue

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Speaker 1: to work hard with the smile on your face.

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Speaker 3: You got it.

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Speaker 1: On that note, we will put all it on. This

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Yundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals has always special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Mama Hundre, our ASSOCIP producer Cody Fincher.

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Speaker 1: For Danny Surrek, I'm Craig Real Lou. We'll talk to

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Speaker 1: you next time here on Cardinals Cover two