WEBVTT - Eric Benét

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<v Speaker 1>The Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we rolling all right, ladies and gentlemen, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the Quest Love Show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Questlove.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that, in my opinion, our guest today

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't just make records.

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<v Speaker 1>He makes a mood. He makes a mood.

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<v Speaker 2>He, in my opinions, probably the last one of the

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<v Speaker 2>last purveyors of what we call grown folks soul. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I know titles are horrible, but I'll get to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that's how we categorize things. There you go.

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<v Speaker 2>But I will say that his work is forever. And

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<v Speaker 2>I promise you the thing is is if one of

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<v Speaker 2>your compositions, like when I say your work is forever,

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<v Speaker 2>I statistically mean that, like maybe in the last twenty

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<v Speaker 2>years forty of any nuptials given, I promise you that

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<v Speaker 2>our guest today that is compositions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, living that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, here's the other thing, Like, because of the cold

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<v Speaker 2>state of hip hop and the whole emotionalist armor that

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<v Speaker 2>we have on us, I'll say that our guests also

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<v Speaker 2>has a cannon that is rich and deep for heartbreak

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<v Speaker 2>songs when you need it. Whenever I'm asked to make

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<v Speaker 2>Valentine's Day playlist, there's two lists.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to make.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to make the regular love stuff, but my

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<v Speaker 2>most popular playlist are the Heartbreak Playlist, of which a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of your compositions live in that. A singer, singer,

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<v Speaker 2>a songwriter, songwriter. I will say, of course, proud father,

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<v Speaker 2>loving husband, and I believe I am catching our guests

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<v Speaker 2>and what promises to hopefully be his greatest phase, which

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<v Speaker 2>is my favorite of his, which is the zero Fox

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<v Speaker 2>given phase.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's have it.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the show, my brethren.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, sir. First of all, that introduction coming from you,

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<v Speaker 1>because look, we go back. I remember, thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 1>There were so many like nuggets way back then where

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<v Speaker 1>it was like, okay, Emir is going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>one to win an Oscar for filmmaking. Emir is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be the one who is just going to be

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<v Speaker 1>the owner of the knowledge music, the story of music history.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember, there is a very very famous Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's viral now everybody's seen it. But the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it, we were up in the studio, like

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<v Speaker 1>we go back, we go back to Jesse Fat Nasty's

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Nichols, all all that right, And this was two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand it was before ninety oh yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it was a ninety nine. I don't even know. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it was YouTube, I guess, but was YouTube big

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<v Speaker 1>back then? Not yet YouTube was a two thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>six a meir going, no, y'all gotta see this, Come here,

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<v Speaker 1>come see this. Okay, you know what I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I was YouTube. Yes, So my before YouTube.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>My primary job, even when people asked me about like

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<v Speaker 2>the Voodoo period, right, my primary job was to walk

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<v Speaker 2>around with two giant kippling double bags.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, this explains so fucking much right now, which I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know. I'll go ahead, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but i' mean basically, I went to Japan the

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<v Speaker 2>first time. The Roots went to Japan in ninety six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, our translations Japanese people are just voracious for like

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<v Speaker 1>any information.

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<v Speaker 2>Which also means that American call is very disposable. You

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<v Speaker 2>could be on here and then like oh yesterday, yesterday's news.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So the point is that, yeah, when I first went

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<v Speaker 2>to Japan, my translator was like, you have an affro

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<v Speaker 2>like Don Cornelius.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, ha ha, well do you know about

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<v Speaker 1>Don Corno?

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<v Speaker 2>Like we love soul training I was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a soul train, and she says, I have all the

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<v Speaker 2>episodes in my house. And I never left that woman's house. Literally,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we had the top like four seasons, best

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<v Speaker 2>of No. I'm sleeping in this woman's like her version

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<v Speaker 2>of the projects, her and her mother in a small

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<v Speaker 2>match box, and she had about forty episodes of Soul

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<v Speaker 2>Trade and two VCRs. I recorded every episode, and I

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<v Speaker 2>came back to America like manna from heaven, and my

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<v Speaker 2>job between ninety seven really two thousand and three was

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<v Speaker 2>just to anywhere I went.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a man bring the tapes. That explained because

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't understand, Like it's probably difficult for this generation

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<v Speaker 1>to understand because readily video information wasn't that so available.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're in the studio and you're bringing out tapes

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<v Speaker 1>and shit, and I'm like, where's this nigga kidding all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff? And then the second thing is like, you

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<v Speaker 1>got you gotta see this, you gotta see this, And

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, you gotta see the time that James Brown

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<v Speaker 1>was performing and he spots Michael in the audience. That

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<v Speaker 1>is the first time I and everybody in the room.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you can see It's probably got a gazillion and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty views now on YouTube. And and you are not

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<v Speaker 1>only were we watching the video, but you are curating

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 2>When I tell you, every storyteller has the little boy

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<v Speaker 2>that cried Wolf story, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yah yah that no one believes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the amount of times and I when you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you realize you have a kick me sign on

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<v Speaker 2>your back and you see people looking at each other

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<v Speaker 2>and you're like, Okay, obviously I'm not some's happening, something's

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not in on.

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<v Speaker 2>And I promise you between ninety six and ninety eight,

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<v Speaker 2>So Prince first told me this story. You know, it

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<v Speaker 2>was the point where like it was like a new

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<v Speaker 2>diplomatic happy prince, like, we're not used to this person.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is he being so nice to us? And I

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<v Speaker 2>asked him, like we med'angelo and him. We were at Tramps,

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember Tramp's nightclub. We just did a jam session,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was speaking complete sentences like not the grasshopper,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know, the martial arts.

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<v Speaker 1>The way he was being for the better part of

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<v Speaker 1>a regular dude hanging out.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the most regularly he was and at the

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<v Speaker 2>end of the night. I was like, that's I parted

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<v Speaker 2>me for asking, but I think I asked him why

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<v Speaker 2>are you so nice to us? Right, which he could

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<v Speaker 2>have he could have felt some way about it, like

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to I said, man, thanks for taking the

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<v Speaker 2>time out to really talk to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was a real human conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was not him trying to, you know, preach

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<v Speaker 2>about Jehovah or whatever like his prince on on one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I said, what brought this turnaround that you're like

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<v Speaker 2>so open?

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<v Speaker 1>Kudos to you for just like asking that question.

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<v Speaker 2>I was shocked because I didn't know that he knew

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<v Speaker 2>complete sentences or jokes. I didn't know what his teeth

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<v Speaker 2>looked like, but he laughed and everything the princess where

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<v Speaker 2>teeth like, well, because he's never smiled before, you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean, Like, you've never seen prince like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>And so he tells his story, He's like, you know

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<v Speaker 2>long ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, set me up. Was this before you've seen the video?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never this is the first time I'm hearing Wow, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and what year was this? This is ninety six, right

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<v Speaker 2>after emancipation just came out, and you never seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Before.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's at out in Long Island. What's the outdoor space?

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<v Speaker 2>It's now the Tommy Hill. Yeah, Jones Beach. He just

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<v Speaker 2>showed Jones Beach. And of course he does his whole

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<v Speaker 2>We're coming to a club and you know, have a

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<v Speaker 2>club with twelve people in it, a full club, do

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<v Speaker 2>a whole right, an entire concert. So he's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>get your instruments, we're gonna play. We play, and he

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<v Speaker 2>tells the story of Once Have how like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>James Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't wait to hear his version from his side of

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<v Speaker 1>the story because it's three different things go, eight different

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<v Speaker 1>things going on.

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<v Speaker 2>So he says, you know, James Brown was such a

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<v Speaker 2>hero of mine and Michael Jackson one night went out

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<v Speaker 2>to humiliate and embarrass me in front of him, and.

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<v Speaker 1>He feels like that was the intention from jump.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's the deal. Though, if you read La Reads memoir,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe the opening chapter starts with the moment that

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Jackson flies him and Babyface to a Neverland ranch

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about production on what will eventually be Dangerous.

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<v Speaker 2>The first thing Michael does is wait, you gotta see

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<v Speaker 2>this like as a write of passage when you come

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<v Speaker 2>to his crib.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta see the vance.

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<v Speaker 2>He shows you the tape. I've I've at least talked

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<v Speaker 2>to five people that says that that's Michael's opening. Shit, Like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>you gotta see what I were happened to Prince one

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<v Speaker 2>night and he does the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So so it wasn't it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's take is that, you know, it's he's competitive, he's

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<v Speaker 2>let it be known and so but the way that

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<v Speaker 2>Prince played it out was just like, you know, he

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<v Speaker 2>called me to the stage and and next thing you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael's trying to humiliate me, and I just walked away

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<v Speaker 2>so disheveled. And I was like, I'll never do that too,

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<v Speaker 2>basically like when I meet my subjects, I will do

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<v Speaker 2>that to him.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, wow, that's so.

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<v Speaker 2>Then three years later, when I'm in So once I

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<v Speaker 2>got the Soul Train Jones on, then I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>where can I find more of my history?

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<v Speaker 1>And then they they were like, oh you want more? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So they took me.

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<v Speaker 2>They took me to like this alleyway where it literally

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like switching concert or Ray Parker Junior and

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<v Speaker 2>Radio or Larry like Graham Central Station opening for blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah.

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<v Speaker 1>Every you were the guy, and like, how the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>where did you get this?

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<v Speaker 2>I so they they collected, and so I came back

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<v Speaker 2>to America with all these tapes. And when I see

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<v Speaker 2>the tape, I was like, oh, he left that part

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<v Speaker 2>out of it, and he left that part out of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and he left that part the awkwardness of it all,

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<v Speaker 2>and no one believed me for those three years. When

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<v Speaker 2>I told the story, They're like, yeah, right, Michael Jackson,

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<v Speaker 2>Prince and James Brown and stayed together whatever. And I

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<v Speaker 2>promise you the way I held it onto that tape

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<v Speaker 2>and just showed everybody, I felt.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I was a temporary honorary member of the roots

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<v Speaker 1>when you showed that to me, because as you were

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<v Speaker 1>showing it, you are doing a brilliant coming. And Terry,

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<v Speaker 1>because here's the thing, Yeah, Prince said, Yo, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a time he humiliated me. But every mistake. Michael couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have told Prince to do the mistake, Like we're having

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<v Speaker 1>a commis Prince, you haven't seen it. Oh, they've seen it.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about this many times in the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just all his instincts were wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Every instinct that he did was It's like, Michael didn't

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<v Speaker 1>set you up for that, like you did that. But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I also believe that Michael was

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<v Speaker 1>playing eight D chess. Well yeah, it's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're the new guy that's apparently on my level,

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<v Speaker 1>then yeah, let me not prove it right now, right, yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So I want to ask you, Yeah, what is

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<v Speaker 2>the first musical memory that you had in life?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, give it to a mirror to ask a question

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<v Speaker 1>I have never been asked before. But as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>you ask the question, an immediate not only image but

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<v Speaker 1>visual came into my mind of a couple songs. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I must have been four or five years old and

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<v Speaker 1>driving in the Buick Estate Wagon down to Mobile, Alabama

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<v Speaker 1>to see my parents' family and all my cousins down

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<v Speaker 1>south in Mobil and hearing songs like I Am Alignment

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<v Speaker 1>for the County.

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<v Speaker 2>What'll Yes whichit a black people and They're love for

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<v Speaker 2>wichital line.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but I remember that song. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>by the time she gets the Phoenix, she'll be rising

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<v Speaker 1>like all those songs like that. And then I remember

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<v Speaker 1>being in Alabama in my uncle Orlando's house. And my

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<v Speaker 1>uncle Orlando had a dope like barber business in Atlanta.

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<v Speaker 1>So his house was like nineteen seventy one, like swanky,

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<v Speaker 1>like late mid century.

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<v Speaker 2>Like dope okay in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was playing all Burt Bacharac Dion Warwick shit.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just remember something about that kind of songwriting.

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<v Speaker 1>I felt made like this imprint on me. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>like Valley of the Dolls theme, all of the Burt

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<v Speaker 1>Bach Iraq message to Michael, all of all those arrangements. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably probably one.

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<v Speaker 2>Of my My dad ran that Dion Warwick a track

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<v Speaker 2>in the ground as well, all those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was pleasantly surprised to find out that you

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<v Speaker 2>were born in Mobile.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't born in Mobile. My parents were born in Mobile.

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<v Speaker 1>So we would go. I was born, born and raised

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<v Speaker 1>in Milwaukee, Okay. And so we would go every summer

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<v Speaker 1>like like like we would we would pile up in

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<v Speaker 1>that buick in a station wagon child seats what child seed?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like. I remember being three or four years old.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the death trap in the back of the buick.

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<v Speaker 1>There was like a little seat, Yeah, the little in

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<v Speaker 1>the back where I could say that's where I was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where I was sitting, and I'm thinking back on that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, y'all niggas was trying to kill me, right

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<v Speaker 1>based on today's standards. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mobile, okay, do you know if your family is

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<v Speaker 2>at all connected to Africa Town, which is in Mobile.

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<v Speaker 1>My family would be very disappointed in me saying I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, only only recently found out my connection to Mobile.

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<v Speaker 1>What is that? And that would be the first to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. Anybody in Mobile would be the first to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you. Marti Gras in Louisiana, we started, right, that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>So I happen to know that, like at least eighty

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the black population. So I did Skipper Gates's

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<v Speaker 2>Finding Your Root show, Wow, where you know he finds

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<v Speaker 2>your audible? Yeah, the celebrity verse twenty three in me Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah. And me and Wanda Sykes, I believe, are

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<v Speaker 2>the only two black people in that chill in which

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<v Speaker 2>they were able to trace our ship, our route, whoa, where.

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<v Speaker 1>We came from, and the family name Whoa? And like

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<v Speaker 1>where in West Africa? Like where? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So the deal is that from what I heard, Benen

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<v Speaker 2>and Nigeria were in a civil war and by the

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<v Speaker 2>time Thomas, I forget the person who owns the ship.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is the thing.

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<v Speaker 2>This town is literally comprised of the person who owned

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<v Speaker 2>the ship, his entire family, like to this day runs

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<v Speaker 2>like all the factories.

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<v Speaker 1>Like mobile was the family that owned the slave ship.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and their offspring were rich as hell, five five

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<v Speaker 2>generations now still there. But also the I think now

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<v Speaker 2>there's still maybe twenty plus captive families that are there,

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<v Speaker 2>so like nothing's changed. So the story goes that they

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<v Speaker 2>went to Nigeria and you know, usually you negotiate with

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<v Speaker 2>the king's son, the prince, what a property do you

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<v Speaker 2>have for me, Well, we have some prisoners from Benen.

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<v Speaker 2>Here they go, and so technically my great great great

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<v Speaker 2>grandfather was literally the last I mean, he was chosen

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<v Speaker 2>because he could play them drums stop stop, no, no no.

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<v Speaker 2>The story goes that because the ship is small and

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<v Speaker 2>they were trying to get more bang for their butt,

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<v Speaker 2>more money, they were like, just gather the kids, gather

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<v Speaker 2>anyone under the age of thirteen, small, like, let's try

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<v Speaker 2>and pack them together. Of course, the horror of it all.

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<v Speaker 1>They're crying and he's like, well, I can't control these kids.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, send fifty of the kids back and

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<v Speaker 2>bring some women to watch these crying kids. But then

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<v Speaker 2>the women start crying. He's like, well, I give give

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<v Speaker 2>me the biggest guy you got. And my great great

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<v Speaker 2>great was I believe he was six four or six'

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<v Speaker 2>five and was chosen literally chosen like watch, them and

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<v Speaker 2>he was literally the. Last but even, then like he

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<v Speaker 2>was literally the last, captive like slavery had been over

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<v Speaker 2>for twenty, years but you, know The south is, like,

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<v Speaker 2>well who's gonna stop? Me so they were still like

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<v Speaker 2>trying to sneak air quote cargo in and literally when

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<v Speaker 2>they got To, nobile they got. Caught and having an

0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:50.119
<v Speaker 2>illegal cargo was the equivalent of like having cocaine. On,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah not like a moral thing like you shouldn't terrorize these,

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<v Speaker 2>people more like no, sass, yeah and. Property so they

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<v Speaker 2>got caught and then he snitched on people, like well

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<v Speaker 2>they told me to get, it well he said he'd got.

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<v Speaker 2>It so all this plays out in like the newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>in the court cases and so at the, time, right

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<v Speaker 2>and so my great great great was, like, okay so.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we go back? Home and they were, like.

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<v Speaker 2>You're stuck here and he's, like, well can we have his?

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<v Speaker 2>Land and he's, like, well you can't have, it but

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<v Speaker 2>you can pay for. It and so what he does

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<v Speaker 2>is it just so happens that THERE'S i learned That

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<v Speaker 2>benin had it going through, SUCCESSFULLY i would have been

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<v Speaker 2>what you would call A.

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<v Speaker 1>Haitian so Most haitians came From.

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<v Speaker 2>Benin so he basically went to the entire community of freed.

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<v Speaker 2>Slaves now some of them had situations where like okay

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<v Speaker 2>and my, Will i'll give you some money and a

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<v Speaker 2>mule or so he COLLECTED i, believe like five hundred

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<v Speaker 2>dollars from each freed. Person said, hey there's over five,

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<v Speaker 2>thousand five thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>ACRES i think.

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<v Speaker 2>He's, like look what we'll do is we'll recreate home.

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<v Speaker 2>Here so you know the stories Like geechee and so

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<v Speaker 2>basically they Recreated africa in this five.

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<v Speaker 1>Thousand that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Incredible, yeah So i'm finding this.

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<v Speaker 1>Out ain't that?

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy like with just like nine years, ago a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Bit of research in your origin, story any of our origin,

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<v Speaker 1>stories like the horrific nature of the, story it's, like.

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<v Speaker 2>But also my life changed because you, know As i've

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<v Speaker 2>revealed on the, show like LITERALLY i told him LIKE

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<v Speaker 2>i didn't know who or. WHAT i was, like we

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<v Speaker 2>don't know who Are we can't say, like, oh We're

0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:44.920
<v Speaker 2>italian or We're. German so ONCE i found that, out

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<v Speaker 2>then that literally cracked.

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<v Speaker 1>My head open and did WHAT i?

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<v Speaker 2>Mean, Well number, one the WOMAN i was dating at

0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 2>the time was, like so you know what this, means,

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<v Speaker 2>Right And i'm, like what do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean he's like you would have been In. Haitian.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah and the probably the ganda that we've had Against

0:20:01.440 --> 0:20:04.760
<v Speaker 2>haitians in this, country like m that, voodoo you, know

0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.440
<v Speaker 2>they do, evil like everything that we've heard About. HAITIANS

0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:10.880
<v Speaker 2>i had to reverse it and start doing the. Research

0:20:11.000 --> 0:20:17.040
<v Speaker 2>and THEN i, realized, like, Oh haitians basically have introduced

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<v Speaker 2>like things That i've credited other people, For LIKE i

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know about meditation.

0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Or patients for. Meditation, Dude it's, see you're about to educate.

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<v Speaker 2>Me bro everything that we would credit like granola hippie

0:20:30.359 --> 0:20:34.160
<v Speaker 2>people when they go do ayawaska a journeys Or. Haitians,

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<v Speaker 2>yes and literally and even with the story of The

0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.800
<v Speaker 2>haitian revolt when they revolted against The FRENCH, YEP i

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<v Speaker 2>was under the impression of, Like, okay we'll wait till

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<v Speaker 2>their sleep and then we'll attack.

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<v Speaker 1>Them that's.

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<v Speaker 2>No they were chained up by the neck and by the.

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<v Speaker 2>Hands they won their freedom by according to like maybe

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<v Speaker 2>there's like six survivors in this. Thing they were trying

0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.000
<v Speaker 2>to describe what they saw and the only word they

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<v Speaker 2>can get out was, LIKE i mean were using a

0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.479
<v Speaker 2>derogatory term like black, magic, voodoom like they were playing

0:21:04.480 --> 0:21:11.720
<v Speaker 2>to there and so literally they were chanting and meditating

0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to the, moon and literally the Entire french army. Died

0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:19.520
<v Speaker 2>like that was the, mystery like how do they? Die

0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.919
<v Speaker 2>so when word gets back to The, states this is

0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:26.919
<v Speaker 2>when we can't worship no other. Gods but we had to.

0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:31.160
<v Speaker 1>File The christian used that for the subject that makes.

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<v Speaker 1>Perfect clans are burning up churches and. Everything so there

0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:34.840
<v Speaker 1>was there was.

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<v Speaker 2>Always a fear of like our magic or don't let Them,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah no more, Drums like there was a specific period

0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.320
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning Of Jim crow and The reconstruction which

0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:52.280
<v Speaker 2>those things were demonized and so which fully made me

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.280
<v Speaker 2>tap into WHEN i found that, out that was the

0:21:55.320 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 2>green light that brought me to The, Earth wind And fire,

0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:03.440
<v Speaker 2>documentary because you know WHEN i was, younger we used

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:05.760
<v Speaker 2>to look at my helm covers LIKE i was raising

0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:07.679
<v Speaker 2>a Harsh christian.

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:11.639
<v Speaker 1>House holies was so metaphysical and. Everything but Some christians

0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:13.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't like, that like what does that sign? Mean what

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<v Speaker 1>does this?

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<v Speaker 2>Mean?

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<v Speaker 1>WHAT i hate?

0:22:14.760 --> 0:22:18.200
<v Speaker 2>That and mind, you this is just the great great

0:22:18.200 --> 0:22:21.679
<v Speaker 2>great grandfather on my mother's, side like everyone else was

0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:21.879
<v Speaker 2>just a.

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<v Speaker 1>NUMBER i don't know their, NAMES i don't know where

0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:24.280
<v Speaker 1>they came from or.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever but just finding out one quarter of my, lineage

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.520
<v Speaker 2>beautiful man found out WHO i am BECAUSE i.

0:22:31.560 --> 0:22:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Wish i'm rather, envious BECAUSE i am ignorant of so

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<v Speaker 1>much of my. Origin and you, know other than you're

0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:40.440
<v Speaker 1>taking twenty three and me and you're being, like, OH

0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.080
<v Speaker 1>dna says right from this here. Here BUT i want

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<v Speaker 1>to know the. STORY i want to, Know like we

0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 1>gotta get you to Skip gates, Man kip what up?

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<v Speaker 2>Man see My Alex haley Bro.

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<v Speaker 1>SO i have to ask you a question About.

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<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee, YEAH i mean it's not a Cosmopolitan, no it.

0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:09.400
<v Speaker 1>Ain't, no but it's not a country.

0:23:09.440 --> 0:23:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Either and it's not The, south and it's not it's The,

0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 2>midwest is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Not? Like what are your memories Of.

0:23:17.000 --> 0:23:20.120
<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee is there a? Culture there is there.

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<v Speaker 1>So my, youth youth and teen, years any musical influence

0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.800
<v Speaker 1>was within my. Family, okay yeah there, Were Like, milwaukee

0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:35.399
<v Speaker 1>it's probably not known and it wasn't known to me back.

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<v Speaker 1>Then like you, said it's any kind of you, know musical.

0:23:39.080 --> 0:23:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Mecca But i've always believed that there's something about people

0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:46.320
<v Speaker 1>who are musically, inclined and if they live in The,

0:23:46.359 --> 0:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>midwest there is like you're you're at the halfway point

0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:55.679
<v Speaker 1>of what's happening on The west, coast what's happening on

0:23:55.720 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>The east, coast and what's happening in The, south and

0:23:58.040 --> 0:24:01.840
<v Speaker 1>each one of those musical influences are so distinctly. Different

0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:05.399
<v Speaker 1>but then it has a way of meshing in The,

0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:11.720
<v Speaker 1>midwest which didn't really i want to, say manifests itself

0:24:11.800 --> 0:24:14.879
<v Speaker 1>as The milwaukee identity of. Music but for the people

0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.119
<v Speaker 1>like me and my Cousin, george and like my, family

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:21.840
<v Speaker 1>people who were just connoisseurs of, music our tastes was

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>like we had no allegiance to this side or this

0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:26.439
<v Speaker 1>side or that, side so we were just like an.

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:29.439
<v Speaker 1>Amalgamation and THEN i think that's why you get Like

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.200
<v Speaker 1>hitsville And. Detroit that's where you get The Ohio. Players

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.240
<v Speaker 1>that's where you Get Jimmy, Hendrix that's where you Get,

0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Prince that's where you Get Stevie. Wonder it's all That midwest.

0:24:37.960 --> 0:24:41.239
<v Speaker 1>Energy that's, like how far is it From? Chicago, like

0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:45.280
<v Speaker 1>what's the Hour chicago? Jazz you know that is hour

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and fifteen minutes you drive north and you're In milwaukee

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:51.240
<v Speaker 1>From chicago hour and twenty. Minutes so What i'm really

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 1>dying to ask, you, yeah is what's A? Kringle do

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:58.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what is? Kringle, yeah a. KRINGO i was just,

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:02.240
<v Speaker 1>kidding but you know what a kringle? Is laughing over, There,

0:25:03.880 --> 0:25:06.879
<v Speaker 1>yeah kringle. Is nobody knows what the kringle. Is but

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>it's basically a really good. Dessert it's like a strudle

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:11.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's in the shape of a big ass reef

0:25:12.560 --> 0:25:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and it's just it's.

0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 2>That's what you guys are known. For beer and, kringle.

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:20.240
<v Speaker 1>And, yeah beer kringle and getting drunk and passing out

0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:23.959
<v Speaker 1>in the. Street go and Summer. Fest summerfest is a

0:25:24.080 --> 0:25:28.800
<v Speaker 1>Huge i've done test because all the big artists Do Summerfest.

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee is that still Happen. Summerfest, absolutely, Yeah and you

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 1>Know milwaukee is is a great place on a great,

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>lake but it's it was an adulte place to be.

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:41.159
<v Speaker 1>From but you were going to ask a, question is?

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Okay so WHAT i always wanted to? Know and you're

0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>like the First milwaukee RESIDENT i can ask this, to

0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>and actually the first Black milwaukee RESIDENT i can ask.

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 1>This you know what's, Happening you know so many directions

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.080
<v Speaker 1>you can. Go but why AM i Thinking Jeffrey. Dahmer

0:25:57.280 --> 0:26:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that's exactly What i'm gonna ask. You, Okay so, look

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 1>YOU i got. Story you came up In. Milwaukee, yes

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:06.000
<v Speaker 1>during THE dama.

0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Years, yes and that's a case that like gutted the black.

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Community, yes and kind of showed how little the city

0:26:18.640 --> 0:26:19.280
<v Speaker 1>was protecting.

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.840
<v Speaker 2>Us. Yes so when you heard, him was he caught

0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.840
<v Speaker 2>already or was it always or was there a build?

0:26:25.920 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Up like, wait ten people were. MISSING i have so

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:32.040
<v Speaker 1>much to say About Jeffrey. Dahmer hit. Me so the

0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 1>Whole Jeffrey dahmer thing was like a dissertation on so

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 1>much that is wrong a With. MILWAUKEE i should, no, no, no, no, no, No,

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 1>MILWAUKEE i love you so. Much that is wrong with

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 1>the criminal investigation system at the, time as it relates to,

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:55.840
<v Speaker 1>race as it relates to certain people get a pass

0:26:56.080 --> 0:27:00.240
<v Speaker 1>no matter what the evidence looks, like all, right go

0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>home and sleep it. Off you, know there were times

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:07.879
<v Speaker 1>there were people who would escape or were smelling things

0:27:07.920 --> 0:27:11.000
<v Speaker 1>from the apartment or of the dec composition about, it

0:27:11.000 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and we're, like, yo y'all need to check this. Out

0:27:13.280 --> 0:27:15.040
<v Speaker 1>he's just a Weird, oh you, know don't worry about.

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.880
<v Speaker 1>Nagae so my, Cousin, michael what's?

0:27:17.920 --> 0:27:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Up? Ralph?

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 1>Uh my cousin was telling me one time he was

0:27:21.760 --> 0:27:26.600
<v Speaker 1>at some spot and as soon As Jeffrey dahmer got,

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:30.120
<v Speaker 1>caught my cousin was, like that's that nigga that tried

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>To he bought me a drink and was, like, yo,

0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 1>yo let's hang out, Right And i'm, like, dude you

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.000
<v Speaker 1>weren't The my cousin was the kind of dude who

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:46.400
<v Speaker 1>when we were ten years, old he already knew about

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the birds and the, bees and he already knew like

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>a lot of. Elements, yeah advance of how life, works

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:54.359
<v Speaker 1>and this is the way the system. WORKS i was, like,

0:27:54.440 --> 0:27:58.919
<v Speaker 1>dude if you weren't who you, are you might have been, like,

0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.720
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i have a, drink, bro what's. Up but he was, like,

0:28:02.000 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Nah i'm catching vibes from your crazy, ass and so

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>that came. Out there was another kid THAT i went

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to school with WHO i didn't really know but just knew,

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>him just kind of like at the school who was

0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:20.399
<v Speaker 1>one of the. Victims my father was a detective for

0:28:20.480 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>The city Of. Milwaukee he was not assigned to The domer,

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 1>case but his partner was assigned to The dohmer. Case

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>so he would tell. Us Arthur jones would tell us

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.720
<v Speaker 1>we went into the, apartment and he was, like the

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.560
<v Speaker 1>things THAT i saw WHEN i opened up the freezer

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.840
<v Speaker 1>AND i opened up the. Refrigerator he was, Like i'm

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>not and it was things LIKE i never really heard,

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:47.680
<v Speaker 1>about or maybe you, did or people who know The

0:28:47.720 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Jeffrey dahmer, lore maybe it came. Out but my father's

0:28:50.480 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 1>partner was, like we opened up the refrigerator and there

0:28:54.400 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 1>were slices of human flesh like hamburg patties with wax,

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>paper like neatly organized like this that and the, other

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i can eat this today like a, patty And

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.320
<v Speaker 1>i'll Go there's other THINGS i can, say BUT i.

0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Won't but it was just, like oh my, god and

0:29:16.880 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 1>yeah That dahmer. Thing in defense Of, Milwaukee i'd like

0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>to say this because a lot of People Jeffrey dahmer

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 1>is not From. Milwaukee the motherfucker got caught In. Milwaukee

0:29:27.360 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 1>where was he? FROM i think he's like From ohio

0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 1>or some. Shit, yo that's interesting that you wanted to

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>go to The, dahmer isn't?

0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:38.880
<v Speaker 2>It Where how this show just turned into the Club?

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:43.800
<v Speaker 1>SHADE i, know, Right oh my. God Arthur jones would be,

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:45.760
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i don't know IF i should tell y'all, this and,

0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>ME i was, like at this, time what WAS i

0:29:47.760 --> 0:29:49.240
<v Speaker 1>when all this shit went? Down?

0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:50.960
<v Speaker 2>WAS i was, like even when he was, caught did

0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:55.240
<v Speaker 2>you feel safe at? All, well, like we went there

0:29:55.400 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 2>in ninety five for the first, time AND i remember

0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.200
<v Speaker 2>it was laundry day like this back when.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:03.600
<v Speaker 1>You, know like your new artist or.

0:30:03.640 --> 0:30:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Whatever you, yeah, yeah, yeah every other week when you

0:30:07.200 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 2>make a laundry. Run AND i remember one you guys

0:30:11.720 --> 0:30:17.760
<v Speaker 2>have an amazing laundry met that like it was someone

0:30:17.760 --> 0:30:20.320
<v Speaker 2>had the idea to, like, hey let's have an. Arcade

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it was like part seven to eleven part Laundry.

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Like kyle students obviously hung out. There. Milwaukee we take

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>pride in you know home mack, abilities yeah.

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.800
<v Speaker 2>And so, yeah and just watching the people AND i was,

0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:37.480
<v Speaker 2>like this town is not over the tragedy that it

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 2>just went.

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.479
<v Speaker 1>WELL i think after it, happened of, course there's going

0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:45.640
<v Speaker 1>to be like this, visceral, like oh my, god the

0:30:45.680 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 1>stigma that's going to be on this city is going

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:52.080
<v Speaker 1>to last for a long. Time BUT i don't think

0:30:52.680 --> 0:30:57.560
<v Speaker 1>a True. Milwaukee and at that point felt unsafe because

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>he was such an, anomaly like that's Not. Milwaukee you

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 1>got weird motherfuckers In, milwaukee but but that's a whole

0:31:04.640 --> 0:31:08.960
<v Speaker 1>another level of, satanic like far outside the reaches of my,

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:15.640
<v Speaker 1>imagination like like crimes against, humanity that that's Not. Milwaukee? Gotcha?

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah all, right now subject. Change what were you like in?

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:24.800
<v Speaker 1>School? WELL i brought my, patties patties.

0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:30.320
<v Speaker 2>Discriminating i'm Never it'll be two hours And i'm still

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 2>thinking about how an intensive he was in terms of, Packing, like,

0:31:34.920 --> 0:31:37.560
<v Speaker 2>jeez in, school what kind of student were?

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:40.000
<v Speaker 1>YOU i will alwould SAY i was an average to good.

0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:43.160
<v Speaker 1>STUDENT i was very. NERDY i like things like science.

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Fiction what was your best? Object, like what was your

0:31:45.880 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 1>best creative writing and. Art, Okay, yeah you know it's

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Like i've always had like an ability, for like creatively

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 1>ANYTHING i tried to. Do i've always just had like

0:31:57.760 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>this natural ability for whether it was, singing whether it

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:03.120
<v Speaker 1>was writing, songs whether it was. PAINTING i won This

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Art award for, painting or whether it was like writing a.

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:09.840
<v Speaker 1>Story SO i was that, kid you, KNOW i just

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.880
<v Speaker 1>grew up like reading Like Isaac asimov And Ray bradberry

0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:17.480
<v Speaker 1>And Rod serling was a beast with them stories, Man

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Rod serling short stories and, yeah and it was like

0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the music thing was a little interesting for me BECAUSE i, thought,

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i grew up in this. FAMILY i don't know

0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>if you're, LIKE i don't know what your whole family thing, was.

0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 2>BUT i was going to, say what was the domestic?

0:32:32.600 --> 0:32:37.080
<v Speaker 1>Situation, yeah so in my, family everybody, sings everybody plays an, instrument.

0:32:37.240 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 1>Sings and it was just So i'm the baby AND

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:44.520
<v Speaker 1>i have three full, SISTERS i have a half sister

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and my, brother AND i just grew up in this

0:32:48.800 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>family where six of, you well it was five of

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:57.640
<v Speaker 1>us growing, up you, know, yes a, lot but it

0:32:57.840 --> 0:33:01.560
<v Speaker 1>was a situation where we would just break out into

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 1>harmony all the. Time and so from a very young,

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.400
<v Speaker 1>AGE i automatically had an ear for IF i heard

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>my sisters and my brother singing the alto on the

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:14.280
<v Speaker 1>tenor and the THING i got really good. At, Okay

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>i'll find my. Note and then my older, sister IF

0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:20.040
<v Speaker 1>i made a, mistake she'd be, like, no you want

0:33:20.080 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to come up to this on that part of the.

0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Storm SO i was like trained that. Way so just

0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>bring out in the. Song oh, yeah all the, time

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>all the. Time we still. Do and so and the

0:33:30.760 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>church singing church came up very church Every Sunday sunday.

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 1>School and then So i'm the baby in this. Environment

0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 1>you're gonna love this where like, Okay so my dad

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.600
<v Speaker 1>had this extensive classical music, collection AND i used to LOVE.

0:33:48.080 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>WC i used to Love, Tchaikovsky. Strauss so my little

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 1>young ass would just be lost in. This and then

0:33:54.640 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>my sisters would had the full gamut OF r AND.

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 1>B like one sister would be d into The, funkadelic

0:34:01.240 --> 0:34:03.320
<v Speaker 1>the other sister would be The luther Van, druss and

0:34:03.360 --> 0:34:05.760
<v Speaker 1>then the other sister would be more like THE. Roberta,

0:34:05.840 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>Fleck Donnie hathaway Into jackson five And James, brown and

0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>then my brother was like the jazz fusion cat so

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:15.879
<v Speaker 1>it would be like The Mahavish New, Orchestra You inherit All,

0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Day David Saint chess And tone And returned To forever

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>And Stanley clark And Billy cobham and So i'm just

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:29.000
<v Speaker 1>this baby growing up and all of this. Stuff and

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:30.640
<v Speaker 1>so what.

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 2>Is the first album that you purchased with your own?

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>Money?

0:34:37.000 --> 0:34:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Honest that, yeah and trust, me everyone wants to give

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:40.160
<v Speaker 2>them Romantic.

0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Yes so the first album my brother Was sketches

0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>of Spur. R i know what was?

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 2>It for?

0:34:45.000 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Real Bill cosby comedy? Album and then which one the

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 1>one where he talked about trying to flush his Brother

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:54.759
<v Speaker 1>russell down the, Toilet.

0:34:55.280 --> 0:34:58.359
<v Speaker 2>Russell my brother WHOM i slept, With, Yes and then

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 2>it might have Been Bill cobb's be Or Funky.

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Favorites Funky, favorites which was just an album of stupid

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:08.960
<v Speaker 1>songs of like he did that, mash he did The

0:35:09.040 --> 0:35:13.440
<v Speaker 1>moms no novelty stupid silly. Songs AND i THINK i

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 1>was probably eight years old WHEN i with my own,

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.759
<v Speaker 1>MONEY i either bought don't remember which one was, First

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Bill cosby Or Funky. Favorites, okay what else was On Funky?

0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Favorites jole a brown dud did it? Le And Purple

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 1>people leader was a one one old Fine Purple People.

0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>Right SO i WAS i was a goofy goofy. Nerd

0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>you were? Human, yes?

0:35:38.000 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes who was the figurehead not related to, you like

0:35:42.080 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 2>teacher or somebody that like actually saw you for who you?

0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Were that was like a hero to you growing? UP i,

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 1>mean big cliche, ish but, Dad, okay you know because my,

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:58.360
<v Speaker 1>dad my dad was this culture dude who loved you,

0:35:58.360 --> 0:36:00.600
<v Speaker 1>know classical music and art and all. That but he,

0:36:00.760 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>was you, know because of mobile man who had to,

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>make you, know make ends meet for his, family got

0:36:08.280 --> 0:36:11.479
<v Speaker 1>a job as a. Cop you, know he had to just.

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Say not allow a lot of his dreams to come to,

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:16.399
<v Speaker 2>FRUITION i think for you, know.

0:36:16.600 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>So hopefully his kids and. Lineage. Yeah So i've always

0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>looked up to my dad for that because he was

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:30.279
<v Speaker 1>the constant and on my, ass not the most emotional

0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:34.080
<v Speaker 1>present dude as much most of. Us that's how we grew,

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 1>up but but held us up to a certain. Standard

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 1>and THEN i would have to, say two music teachers

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:46.160
<v Speaker 1>from my past that saw something in me and were

0:36:46.239 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 1>just on, me like on me in a, way, Like, okay,

0:36:49.880 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>here here's a record you need to listen. TO i

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>just want you to listen to the production on, this

0:36:53.520 --> 0:36:56.799
<v Speaker 1>and here's what it. Was it was Mister simeuel At

0:36:57.040 --> 0:37:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee TECH i think it's Called Bradley tech now And

0:37:00.560 --> 0:37:04.120
<v Speaker 1>Ms Carrol, haywood who was the choir. Director you. Know

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:08.799
<v Speaker 1>but BECAUSE i, REMEMBER i remember being a, kid like

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.360
<v Speaker 1>being five or six years, old not really realizing THAT

0:37:11.400 --> 0:37:14.880
<v Speaker 1>i have musical talent Until i'm sitting next to kids

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:17.799
<v Speaker 1>try to sing a song And i'm, like what the?

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Fuck like, right you, know you, know Camp Town ladies

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:28.040
<v Speaker 1>done that, song, dude Camp Down ladies sing a. Song,

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:32.920
<v Speaker 1>Dude dude like no? Inflection, No i'm, like what how

0:37:32.960 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>come y'all niggas don't like what's going? On and SO

0:37:37.960 --> 0:37:43.000
<v Speaker 1>i think it was a realization, that especially WHEN i

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>thought about the fact of how my family we just

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>broke down harmonies like, THAT i was, like, oh maybe

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>we're a little different than everybody. Else all we needed

0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:54.759
<v Speaker 1>was A Joe jackson. Anyway oh, no, no.

0:37:56.920 --> 0:38:00.200
<v Speaker 2>He might gain, them but for, it, right, Right so

0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.680
<v Speaker 2>what WAS i was going to, say what was your

0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:07.320
<v Speaker 2>first job? Ever but what have you ever been fired

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 2>from a.

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Job i've never been fired for my.

0:38:09.800 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Job but what's a notable job you, had like pre pre.

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Are, YEAH i worked at McDonald's WHEN i was, sixteen Downtown.

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Milwaukee it was too hectic for, me SO i was,

0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.680
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i need something, easier SO i went To Taco.

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<v Speaker 2>Bell he started off As calvin and then you, yeah

0:38:32.840 --> 0:38:35.240
<v Speaker 2>like why Was Taco bell?

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Easier first of, all it was the. Location it was

0:38:37.640 --> 0:38:40.799
<v Speaker 1>like Downtown milwaukee McDonald's that it was just too much

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 1>madness back. There it's like fries and. Burgers and now

0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:46.520
<v Speaker 1>you got a. Precedent and Then Taco. BELL i REMEMBER

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.000
<v Speaker 1>i worked at The Taco bell And fondelac like way

0:38:50.280 --> 0:38:53.520
<v Speaker 1>out from, downtown and it was just you, know easier,

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:58.759
<v Speaker 1>living not, living but slower. Pace so you, Could, hi

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:00.560
<v Speaker 1>welcome To Taco. Bell would you like to try our

0:39:00.600 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>new taco? Salad a little bit, more a little bit more.

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Relaxed, okay, okay you know in your childhood? Bedroom, yes

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:11.399
<v Speaker 2>what is the main poster that adorns your?

0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Wall? Dude you got some? Questions, well we never you

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 1>know what it is like you asked Them that's why

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:22.600
<v Speaker 1>The oscar winning documentary to doctor be asking these. Questions.

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.600
<v Speaker 2>DUDE i mean there's this whole slew media that don't

0:39:26.680 --> 0:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>treat artists like human, beings AND i think this kind

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>of thing WHERE i want to know the human side of.

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>You so immediately when YOU i love when you ask these,

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:39.840
<v Speaker 1>questions because immediately BEFORE i even, answer it as a

0:39:39.920 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>visual that pops in my. Head and there are three,

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 1>posters okay that were in my. Room one was like

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a black light poster of this fantasy woman with big

0:39:50.239 --> 0:39:51.279
<v Speaker 1>titties and.

0:39:52.680 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>Just like the, velvet, like, YEAH i had a, COUSIN

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:00.239
<v Speaker 2>i had an astrological, one AND i would not.

0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:03.360
<v Speaker 1>ALLOWED i wasn't into the. ASTROLOGICAL i was into the

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:08.360
<v Speaker 1>big Titties. Kurk and THEN i had A commodore's poster

0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 1>from the album whether The sky you know what, Wait

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 1>i'm gonna.

0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So i've become really good phone friends With chuck d,

0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>really AND i didn't realize how like immaculate or how

0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 2>much of an artist he was a visual artist he,

0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 2>was and he sent me some artwork when he was

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 2>fourteen or, fifteen real of him the inside poster of

0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:41.560
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventy seven album where Wherever Thomas claire's point

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:41.879
<v Speaker 2>at the.

0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Sky that was? It you, know it's even weirder.

0:40:45.160 --> 0:40:48.200
<v Speaker 2>That, okay WHEN i was a, KID i would go

0:40:48.280 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 2>through phases in WHICH i can't.

0:40:52.200 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Believe i'm telling the.

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 2>STORY i would go through. Phases whenever someone took a

0:40:56.640 --> 0:40:59.680
<v Speaker 2>photo of, me you wouldn't know what my favorite album

0:40:59.760 --> 0:41:00.120
<v Speaker 2>cover or.

0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Was right to the.

0:41:01.600 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Point but here's the, thing, THOUGH i decided That Mylon,

0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.439
<v Speaker 2>williams the keyboard, player had the best pose where it's

0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:11.719
<v Speaker 2>like he's like on one, leg, yes, yes stop. One

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>BUT i did it at a family Reunion North, carolina

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 2>AND i fell over into the street and a car was,

0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:26.719
<v Speaker 2>coming and you, know like when black families are so

0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.239
<v Speaker 2>disheveled and, afraid where you get in trouble even for,

0:41:31.160 --> 0:41:34.880
<v Speaker 2>that like why would you do? This AND i remember

0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:37.399
<v Speaker 2>getting that from my. Dad but, yeah there was a.

0:41:37.360 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Period where the post that wasn't.

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:42.879
<v Speaker 2>PHRASES i Was Chris jasper of The Aisley brothers once

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 2>ALWAYS i, mean why are you always looking at two

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:48.200
<v Speaker 2>o'clock up? There Marlon jackson would have like right leg

0:41:48.280 --> 0:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>behind his left leg on The Get It together, Album

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:53.800
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i would go through phases WHERE i would only

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:57.520
<v Speaker 2>do the pose of my favorite album of that, moment and,

0:41:57.840 --> 0:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>yeah that commodore.

0:41:58.920 --> 0:42:02.080
<v Speaker 1>Is what's weird IS i almost wore the.

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:06.480
<v Speaker 2>Sweater it's laundry day in my, crib SO i was,

0:42:06.520 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i put a new shirt, on BUT i almost

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 2>wore that. Post what was the third one every black

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:15.480
<v Speaker 2>household in the seventies had that COMMED i was weird.

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.879
<v Speaker 1>Because there was Another this is an iconic poster. Too,

0:42:18.040 --> 0:42:21.560
<v Speaker 1>now there was a poster of a baby who had

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.759
<v Speaker 1>a whole bowl of spaghetti dumped on his head with

0:42:24.840 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 1>spaghetti That, yeah for whatever, reason that's how they wound

0:42:29.200 --> 0:42:33.279
<v Speaker 1>it made. Me it was fucking. Hilarious it was like

0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:38.919
<v Speaker 1>a baby was with a stupid looking and he's got

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:42.799
<v Speaker 1>like spaghetti dripping AND i think the quote was Like,

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:46.359
<v Speaker 1>GOD i forgot what the quote, Was, yeah like. Face

0:42:47.120 --> 0:42:49.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was A murphy's law or. SOMETHING i don't

0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 1>know whatever it, is but. HILARIOUS i remember that. Poster

0:43:04.960 --> 0:43:07.919
<v Speaker 1>what was the first concert you ever Attended George duke

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:12.319
<v Speaker 1>And Stanley? Clark? Yeah where it was In? Milwaukee The

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Public Art, center the pac In. Milwaukee, yeah so there's

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>like this sweet baby.

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Period, yeah, yeah it's weird that two of the most,

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 2>progressive intricate, Musicians oh My god became made such a

0:43:31.520 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 2>straight Straight.

0:43:33.320 --> 0:43:37.000
<v Speaker 1>But the beauty about that project and that song in

0:43:37.040 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 1>particular about music is if you have the most simplest

0:43:45.120 --> 0:43:49.479
<v Speaker 1>melody and you're like a you or one of those

0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 1>real musical musical, musicians you can still have. Fun there

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 1>was so much had the sitar, going they had the harmonies,

0:43:57.160 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 1>going so you can made an impression on. You absolutely

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:04.840
<v Speaker 1>think partly because you, know LIKE i told you about

0:44:04.840 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 1>the kind of music like LIKE i just kind of

0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 1>grew up listening. TO i love the fact That Stanley

0:44:10.760 --> 0:44:15.279
<v Speaker 1>clark And George duke come together and make something that

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:21.000
<v Speaker 1>could touch top forty radio when their musical well was so,

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 1>deep and we're going to make this simple, melody Like

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 1>George duke was brilliant at when not saying about it's.

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Sounds it, sounds it sound right and then, yeah so

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:41.919
<v Speaker 1>it's like he could take that, simple simple. Melody it's

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.879
<v Speaker 1>like songwriting one on. One, yeah you can have your.

0:44:44.960 --> 0:44:47.239
<v Speaker 1>Fun you can have the harmonies in the strings into

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:49.080
<v Speaker 1>this and then doing, that but you got to grab

0:44:49.120 --> 0:44:53.080
<v Speaker 1>them with that, simple simple lullaby. Melody that anybody can sing.

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 2>Well some of the best songwriters are people that have

0:44:56.160 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>the ability to have mental level of musical, intelligence but

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.440
<v Speaker 2>also have the smarts to know that sometimes you have

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 2>to cut a. STEAK i want to show you, Yes.

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 1>So how the fuck do you explain something Like Steely

0:45:13.160 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 1>dan where in the first eight bars of the song

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:21.839
<v Speaker 1>there's like were the same person twelve different substitutions and

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.160
<v Speaker 1>then you modulated brought it back. Down you don't know

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.480
<v Speaker 1>what the Fuck Donald fagan is talking about in the,

0:45:27.560 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>lyrics but somehow it's a number one. Pops how the

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:33.879
<v Speaker 1>fuck did they do?

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.320
<v Speaker 2>That i'm gonna tell you, something all, Right SO i

0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 2>just Had thundercat on the.

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:39.600
<v Speaker 1>Show used to be my bass.

0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Player, yo he's played for everyone secretly on the.

0:45:43.719 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 1>LOW i love that. Dude that sounds about. Right.

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he was talking about like A Steely dan, song

0:45:50.719 --> 0:45:54.480
<v Speaker 2>AND i just happened to do The i'm, Sorry, DONALD

0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 2>i did the yack rock.

0:45:55.640 --> 0:45:57.520
<v Speaker 1>DOC i hate, YEAH i, MEAN i hate the, term

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 1>BUT i get it, WELL i love. IT i MEAN

0:45:59.040 --> 0:46:02.160
<v Speaker 1>i Love. Neo so, right, anyway, anyway don't get us

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 1>started on.

0:46:02.680 --> 0:46:08.560
<v Speaker 2>That BUT i realized THAT i really have not made

0:46:09.520 --> 0:46:12.720
<v Speaker 2>much space For Steely dan in my, life probably since

0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the reason, why you, know people are, like, oh you're

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>so knowledgeable with music and, everything don't get it.

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Twisted IF i was allowed to have.

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Control of the family stereo in the family, Car i'd

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:25.760
<v Speaker 2>be playing WHAT i want to listen.

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 1>To which which would have.

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:28.120
<v Speaker 2>BEEN i, mean you, Know i'm a kid of the.

0:46:28.120 --> 0:46:32.319
<v Speaker 2>MOMENT i wanted to Hear bootzilla wind Me up and.

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:38.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah but my dad was like my father was the

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 2>just like your.

0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Family he was the Listen he listened to theyacht rock

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of his.

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Day he Liked, mathis he Liked, straya saying he likes

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 2>singers because he was a.

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Crooner my dad sounded Like Nat King. Cole.

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Really my, mom, however if she were born WHEN i was,

0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:58.680
<v Speaker 2>born she would have been, ahead like she dug in

0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the crates and oh this is a fun look At i'm,

0:47:00.640 --> 0:47:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Cover i'm gonna.

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Get, this and it's like bitches brew or.

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Whatever so and then my, sister who's slightly, older in

0:47:06.680 --> 0:47:09.439
<v Speaker 2>order to fit in with her girlfriends in, school she's

0:47:09.480 --> 0:47:11.680
<v Speaker 2>bringing home the rock. Stuff she's bringing On bowie and

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:14.279
<v Speaker 2>all that. Stuff and, SO i mean there was a

0:47:14.320 --> 0:47:22.120
<v Speaker 2>period in WHICH i, Know dad played Like gaucho And, asia,

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:23.400
<v Speaker 2>right but he really.

0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.840
<v Speaker 1>Didn't he controlled the stereo and he really like he

0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 1>would go Through maybe he went through it.

0:47:29.800 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Twice maybe it was just too intricate for him and

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:34.600
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't find something to sing along.

0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 1>Too he likes stuff he could sing along. To Stilly

0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:37.640
<v Speaker 1>dan was not that.

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:42.239
<v Speaker 2>Right SO i Just i've realized, that you, know LIKE

0:47:42.520 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 2>i Love Steely. Dan but so right NOW i just

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>started my phase Of i'm On cambaya thrill now Where

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.360
<v Speaker 2>i'm like listening to A Steely dan record for at

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:53.160
<v Speaker 2>least two hours a.

0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.799
<v Speaker 1>Day have you gotten into the First Donald fagan solo.

0:47:56.520 --> 0:48:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Album, Dude nightfly Is now that's the, Thing, like that's

0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.480
<v Speaker 2>one of my top five FAVORITE i g, Y oh My,

0:48:03.520 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 2>god Ig y is probably, Yeh Maxine, igy Green Flower,

0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Street New, Frontier oh The New yeah. Bro so, Yeah

0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:21.360
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i will, say IF i could compile five songs that,

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:25.400
<v Speaker 2>like no matter how depressing and all.

0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:26.640
<v Speaker 1>RIGHT i tested this.

0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:34.160
<v Speaker 2>During the night after election, results Oh, jesus, yeah WHERE

0:48:34.239 --> 0:48:36.960
<v Speaker 2>i stopped, drinking BUT i was going to start again that. Night,

0:48:37.040 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 2>Dude SO i, SAID i want to see how powerful this,

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:44.440
<v Speaker 2>is AND i PLAYED i g, y.

0:48:44.560 --> 0:48:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a great, barometer.

0:48:46.440 --> 0:48:48.759
<v Speaker 2>AND i was, like, WOW i still feel good right. Now,

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.240
<v Speaker 2>yeah but songs only three minutes and forty.

0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Seconds, YEAH i was back to.

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:56.399
<v Speaker 2>Back to ground. Zero but, YEAH i gotta get.

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.839
<v Speaker 1>More so funny that particular song talking about an id

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:03.480
<v Speaker 1>allies utopian, society it's, like get me out of. HERE

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:04.000
<v Speaker 1>i like.

0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 2>That, no it's it's like it's the next Tow Herb,

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:09.800
<v Speaker 2>alberts like if someone were to ask.

0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:11.879
<v Speaker 1>Me a gun in my, head like brass and all.

0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>That, well my Favorite Herb albert. Song there's a song

0:49:15.040 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Called root one on, one which it's the Happiest, no,

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:25.400
<v Speaker 2>no that's the dating, Game. Okay root one on one is, like,

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 2>yeah when this is the maybe the second Time i'm

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:47.279
<v Speaker 2>At dyla's, script oh, man and Comes boten comes downstairs and, says,

0:49:47.360 --> 0:49:49.799
<v Speaker 2>YO i want to do something to, This and he

0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Hands dyla the record and he Puts root one on

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.680
<v Speaker 2>one on and they're playing and it's a happy. Song

0:49:59.200 --> 0:50:01.920
<v Speaker 2>And i'm looking at them, like are y'all trolling? Me,

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.880
<v Speaker 2>like BECAUSE i was in the mind state of, oh

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.080
<v Speaker 2>if it's hip, hop if it's gotta be some, gritty

0:50:07.239 --> 0:50:08.440
<v Speaker 2>raw breakbeat, Shit.

0:50:08.480 --> 0:50:11.280
<v Speaker 1>But YOU i would think you would have, been because

0:50:11.280 --> 0:50:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the real dopest hip hop niggas were like deep in.

0:50:16.320 --> 0:50:19.399
<v Speaker 2>That this is What dyla taught. Me, SEE i grew

0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 2>up in a household with three thousand, records and even

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:24.080
<v Speaker 2>to this, DAY i have two hundred thousand records of

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:28.560
<v Speaker 2>Maybe i've cruised through seven percent of.

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 1>That like how much music are we going to consume

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:31.800
<v Speaker 1>in our? Lifetime?

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:34.880
<v Speaker 2>RIGHT i can also ask politicians how much money are

0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 2>you going to spend in your?

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Life how much is? Enough definitely not a? Trillion? Right

0:50:38.719 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and so the whole thing is that.

0:50:42.600 --> 0:50:46.799
<v Speaker 2>ONCE i, realized, oh these guys are, serious like AND

0:50:46.840 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 2>i looked At dyla like we are you gonna make

0:50:49.280 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 2>some shit out of?

0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>This and he was, like oh hell.

0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i never got to hear what he made of.

0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 2>It but there's been a million times where LIKE i

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 2>will get a Giant mathis record and be, like all,

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.919
<v Speaker 2>right take This Rick james, record This Johnny mathis, record

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 2>show me what you, got and he. Would the THING

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:11.920
<v Speaker 2>i learned From dylla the most is no song goes

0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:16.440
<v Speaker 2>un listened to or no stone, Unturned and so BUT

0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.120
<v Speaker 2>i will, say like root one on one is my favorite,

0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:22.640
<v Speaker 2>song and in second place IS i g y it's

0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>something about a. Shuffle black people need a shuffle, Song

0:51:27.280 --> 0:51:30.000
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i think the last good shuffle song we've really truly.

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:34.319
<v Speaker 2>HAD i, mean, okay there's the whole cash but, no

0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 2>But i'm just saying like The Way You Make Me.

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Feel was probably the. Last we need a shuffle. Song

0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:44.359
<v Speaker 1>give me another one of your favorite. SHOVELS i mean

0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Doing it To death By James, brown go on a.

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:47.279
<v Speaker 2>Half but.

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 1>In order for us to break, shuffle we have.

0:51:52.239 --> 0:51:58.120
<v Speaker 2>To reacclimate ourselves again with, jazz and it's. Needed where

0:51:58.200 --> 0:52:00.560
<v Speaker 2>music is, NOW i don't know where they can.

0:52:00.440 --> 0:52:02.520
<v Speaker 1>Make it back and make it back to that because

0:52:02.560 --> 0:52:07.439
<v Speaker 1>it's so diluted down to let's just take this little,

0:52:07.560 --> 0:52:10.759
<v Speaker 1>part repeat it and repeat. It let's do no, bridges no,

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 1>changes no. Matter modulation is not, yeah so, Right but.

0:52:15.120 --> 0:52:16.920
<v Speaker 2>You, know in order for that to, happen we have

0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:21.080
<v Speaker 2>to work on our emotional state the music now we.

0:52:21.120 --> 0:52:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Feel see, yo let's he's not a, mirror thank you?

0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Man all?

0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Right when you were, fifteen, yeah what is it that

0:52:34.400 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>you wanted to be when you were an?

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>Adult like when you're a, kid what did you think

0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:41.960
<v Speaker 1>your calling was in. LIFE i THOUGHT i was going

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>to be a fashion. Designer, word, YEAH i THOUGHT i

0:52:45.680 --> 0:52:49.560
<v Speaker 1>was going to be a fashion designer because clothes made.

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Me music made me, happy and clothes made me, happy

0:52:52.880 --> 0:52:56.319
<v Speaker 1>and putting the right outfits together made me. Happy but

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 1>because of my, FAMILY i knew that we were. Special

0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 1>but at the same, time it was just such A

0:53:05.280 --> 0:53:10.839
<v Speaker 1>it was like a, fish, Like, okay it's. Water it's big,

0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 1>deal IT'S i can swim in. Water so specialness the

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.400
<v Speaker 1>fact that you guys were just. TOGETHER i probably felt

0:53:17.440 --> 0:53:20.480
<v Speaker 1>that it was special BECAUSE i was with, them and

0:53:20.520 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 1>then we all harmonized, together and SO i don't THINK

0:53:24.080 --> 0:53:28.880
<v Speaker 1>i really really. CONSIDERED i think my passion for music

0:53:28.960 --> 0:53:32.319
<v Speaker 1>deepened WHEN i realized right around that age that IF i,

0:53:32.480 --> 0:53:36.040
<v Speaker 1>sang girls treated me a certain. Way, Okay BUT i

0:53:36.080 --> 0:53:40.880
<v Speaker 1>still didn't think of it as a career until like

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.759
<v Speaker 1>my dad was just LIKE i remember telling my, dad

0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:45.799
<v Speaker 1>like right at high, SCHOOL i was, Like, DAD i

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.279
<v Speaker 1>want to go to this fashion. Institute and my dad

0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.640
<v Speaker 1>being who he, was and he had aspirations of his

0:53:52.920 --> 0:53:56.680
<v Speaker 1>children being doctors and lawyers and getting their PhDs and. Success,

0:53:56.760 --> 0:54:02.439
<v Speaker 1>yes it says my dad was like Black man going into.

0:54:02.480 --> 0:54:05.920
<v Speaker 1>Fashion he was looking at it very from his lenses

0:54:05.960 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 1>of going through nineteen forties fifth the. SIXTIES i, know,

0:54:08.960 --> 0:54:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah and SO i listened to. Dad and THEN i

0:54:12.400 --> 0:54:14.680
<v Speaker 1>went to college for a couple of, years not really

0:54:14.719 --> 0:54:19.319
<v Speaker 1>knowing why and feeling LIKE i was, waiting did you absolutely?

0:54:19.480 --> 0:54:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Nothing wasting? Money where'd you go to? College university Of, Milwaukee, Wisconsin?

0:54:24.280 --> 0:54:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay AND i dropped out because after a year and

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:32.919
<v Speaker 1>a half to two, YEARS i was, LIKE i don't

0:54:32.920 --> 0:54:37.040
<v Speaker 1>know What i'm doing. HERE i can't latch onto anything

0:54:37.080 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>THAT i see is my. Future and WHEN i dropped

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 1>out of, college my Cousin george let me know that

0:54:43.520 --> 0:54:47.359
<v Speaker 1>there was a band In milwaukee that needed a lead

0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 1>singer and he was already playing, guitar and my Sister

0:54:50.239 --> 0:54:53.960
<v Speaker 1>lisa sang and she was just kind of doing her

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:55.880
<v Speaker 1>thing in life at that time, Too and so my

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:58.400
<v Speaker 1>sister AND i joined this band that was already kind

0:54:58.440 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of a corporation onto it doing like gigs and weddings

0:55:02.440 --> 0:55:07.799
<v Speaker 1>and bars In, Illinois wisconsin And, minnesota just traveling around doing.

0:55:07.800 --> 0:55:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Stuff and so that started the Whole Like i'm nineteen years, old.

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:15.640
<v Speaker 2>So you're in, college and at no point before it been,

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 2>like so you just coincidentally just happened to.

0:55:19.680 --> 0:55:21.120
<v Speaker 1>Carry this voice.

0:55:21.160 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Around, Yeah and it was just like a like almost a,

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:28.319
<v Speaker 2>footnote like SAID i sent to you a little like

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:32.279
<v Speaker 2>my cousin specifically called me because WHEN i was fourteen and,

0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:34.319
<v Speaker 2>FIFTEEN i would go over to His he was like

0:55:34.320 --> 0:55:36.759
<v Speaker 2>eight years older than, me and he had his own

0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:40.400
<v Speaker 2>place and he saw musical ability and me at, fourteen

0:55:40.480 --> 0:55:41.240
<v Speaker 2>fifteen years.

0:55:41.040 --> 0:55:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Old week you didn't see in. YOURSELF i thought it was.

0:55:43.440 --> 0:55:45.160
<v Speaker 1>Fun he was, like, yo come help me write this.

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Song so we started writing songs, like, oh this is.

0:55:47.600 --> 0:55:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Cool SO i went all through college like not making

0:55:51.640 --> 0:55:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the connection like fuck this, school, Shit i'm gonna do,

0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:58.319
<v Speaker 1>this but loving music and writing songs and creating all

0:55:58.360 --> 0:56:02.760
<v Speaker 1>this stuff with him and my sister UNTIL i joined this. Band,

0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:07.319
<v Speaker 1>okay and then we were in this, band and the

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 1>band also owned a recording, studio and you got. It

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.799
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about we're talking about nineteen ninety, Right, oh that's.

0:56:13.920 --> 0:56:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Rare that's very. Rare so it's like they own a recording. Studio,

0:56:18.120 --> 0:56:20.160
<v Speaker 1>yeah when you go, in there's two clocks on the,

0:56:20.200 --> 0:56:23.200
<v Speaker 1>wall one for The east coast and The west. Coast.

0:56:23.400 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Wow so it was like it. Was it was very

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:32.239
<v Speaker 1>we're easily impressed back. Right so they start letting us

0:56:32.560 --> 0:56:35.720
<v Speaker 1>use the recording studio when we weren't doing the shitty

0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:37.720
<v Speaker 1>club gigs or whatever we were doing in the, band

0:56:37.760 --> 0:56:40.360
<v Speaker 1>and we ultimately put together a, demo my sister AND,

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:43.200
<v Speaker 1>i and then we started shilling the demo around and

0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.440
<v Speaker 1>THEN i got my first deal AT Emi capitol with

0:56:46.560 --> 0:56:50.040
<v Speaker 1>my sister AND i signed TO Emi capitol with the

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 1>three of us writing the songs and the person in

0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:56.080
<v Speaker 1>this this Is bene and the young lady in the

0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 1>waiting room in, There Alison, ball gave me that deal

0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and shout, out, well flash forward to NOW i got

0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.800
<v Speaker 1>a little scrilla to start a little record. Label allison

0:57:06.880 --> 0:57:10.239
<v Speaker 1>is running the LABEL Jbr. Wow, okay so that's how that.

0:57:10.320 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Starts so she also gave me my solo deal At Warner.

0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Brothers alison, did so you've stuck with, there which has

0:57:15.640 --> 0:57:19.000
<v Speaker 1>been like best friends ever. Since that's. Beautiful, yeah that's

0:57:19.080 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 1>hard to find that. Level, everyone everyone in the industry

0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.920
<v Speaker 1>says that it's like it's rare to meet someone that

0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 1>sticks with. You it doesn't rid you once you don't

0:57:27.560 --> 0:57:30.920
<v Speaker 1>serve them a, purpose especially a record. Executive it's like.

0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Because it's all about self preservation. Exactly SO i mean

0:57:34.440 --> 0:57:35.000
<v Speaker 2>she believes in.

0:57:35.040 --> 0:57:35.840
<v Speaker 1>You, yeah that's.

0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 2>Amazing would you, say is the first thing do you

0:57:41.120 --> 0:57:43.560
<v Speaker 2>remember the first creative project that you?

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Made? YEAH i remember the first the first song THAT, i,

0:57:50.680 --> 0:57:54.720
<v Speaker 1>UH i. Wrote, well there's the first SONG i, wrote

0:57:54.760 --> 0:57:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and then there's the first song THAT i. Recorded, Okay

0:57:57.520 --> 0:57:59.600
<v Speaker 1>so the first SONG i wrote was a song called

0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:03.080
<v Speaker 1>the WHEN i was like twelve or thirteen years. Old

0:58:03.160 --> 0:58:06.680
<v Speaker 1>but the first song THAT i recorded was a song Called.

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Gina and this was like right around that time WHEN

0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:13.520
<v Speaker 1>i was just writing songs with my, cousin and it

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:18.080
<v Speaker 1>actually won an, award Like wisconsin had some kind of

0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:23.240
<v Speaker 1>like songwriters competition And gina won an, award you. Know

0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:28.040
<v Speaker 1>and then and even, THEN i was, LIKE i didn't

0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:30.960
<v Speaker 1>like cut the safety net and just jump into the music.

0:58:31.000 --> 0:58:33.960
<v Speaker 1>INDUSTRY i was, like this is. FUN i Guess i'm

0:58:34.000 --> 0:58:36.600
<v Speaker 1>supposed to go to college and just figure out what

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:38.280
<v Speaker 1>VOCATION i should.

0:58:38.280 --> 0:58:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Have, well singing, wise who are the three singers that

0:58:41.760 --> 0:58:42.760
<v Speaker 2>are your great?

0:58:42.880 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Question you're a north? Star my north. Star top of

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the list Is Ela. Fitzgerald, Okay and then it would

0:58:49.520 --> 0:58:54.000
<v Speaker 1>probably it's a cross Between Donnie hathaway And Stevie wonder

0:58:54.760 --> 0:59:00.120
<v Speaker 1>And Aretha franklin somewhere in. There, okay who is the?

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:01.760
<v Speaker 1>Singer all?

0:59:01.840 --> 0:59:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Right YESTERDAY i was just talking about like how Like

0:59:04.240 --> 0:59:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Michelle farrell has really never truly like gotten her?

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Flowers, yeah because she's. Incredible.

0:59:09.760 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Right who who do you see as a singer that

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:17.000
<v Speaker 2>you grew up listening to that really just never.

0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:20.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of, them all. Right Who as much

0:59:20.680 --> 0:59:24.000
<v Speaker 1>as people Love Bobby, CALDWELL i, MEAN i JUST i

0:59:24.240 --> 0:59:29.560
<v Speaker 1>just there's something about his, tone the way he perfectly

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 1>landed the vibrato at exactly the right, place and the

0:59:32.840 --> 0:59:37.120
<v Speaker 1>fact that he played all the. Instruments bobby Called well

0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:39.960
<v Speaker 1>is one of. Those another one is Probably Geno, vanelli,

0:59:40.520 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 1>yes because like he's got those deep jazz fusion roots

0:59:46.600 --> 0:59:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and him and his Brother ross right and all that

0:59:49.000 --> 0:59:52.920
<v Speaker 1>deep crazy. Shit and but still just like just Like

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.400
<v Speaker 1>Stanley clark And George, duke they could be, like all,

0:59:55.480 --> 0:59:58.640
<v Speaker 1>right let's zero in on a, hit, right but then

0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:02.400
<v Speaker 1>the well is so. Deep, yeah they come to mind.

1:00:02.720 --> 1:00:03.160
<v Speaker 1>NOW i love.

1:00:03.200 --> 1:00:05.480
<v Speaker 2>It like my sister used to always listen to a

1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:07.040
<v Speaker 2>first time powerful.

1:00:07.040 --> 1:00:09.920
<v Speaker 1>People powerful, PEOPLE O jojo and all that stuff on

1:00:10.000 --> 1:00:14.280
<v Speaker 1>there and yeah, mama, yeah, yeah, yes.

1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:29.160
<v Speaker 2>All, Right so what is the road that leads to

1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:33.080
<v Speaker 2>because always feel as though like your first album is

1:00:33.120 --> 1:00:35.560
<v Speaker 2>basically like the totality of your life from.

1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:38.040
<v Speaker 1>Birth, yea the moment and then can you do it?

1:00:38.080 --> 1:00:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Again oh?

1:00:39.840 --> 1:00:43.400
<v Speaker 2>Wait, WELL i mean you, know for, you the sophomore

1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:46.640
<v Speaker 2>thing was the least, thing was the one that was the.

1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Blessed but all, right so The true To, myself like

1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:52.840
<v Speaker 2>the road that leads To true To? Myself just tell

1:00:52.880 --> 1:00:56.439
<v Speaker 2>me about the experience of getting a, deal like where

1:00:56.480 --> 1:00:59.920
<v Speaker 2>you give an agency to create what you wanted or

1:01:01.120 --> 1:01:01.520
<v Speaker 2>you're going on.

1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:04.880
<v Speaker 1>ALONG i think it was a combination Of it was

1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:09.360
<v Speaker 1>a almost like a council of the three of, us my, sister,

1:01:09.560 --> 1:01:13.840
<v Speaker 1>myself and my, cousin along with the record. Label and

1:01:14.000 --> 1:01:16.640
<v Speaker 1>of course as an, Individual i'm going to have my

1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:20.800
<v Speaker 1>own ideas about how and what songs should be done

1:01:20.880 --> 1:01:26.240
<v Speaker 1>and how they should be. PRODUCED i did not have

1:01:26.280 --> 1:01:30.080
<v Speaker 1>that agency on that, record so that by the Time

1:01:30.160 --> 1:01:32.480
<v Speaker 1>true To myself, happened that was my first solo.

1:01:32.560 --> 1:01:36.440
<v Speaker 2>Album that's but explain to me how did The bene situation?

1:01:36.560 --> 1:01:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Implode it didn't really implode as much as it was

1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:46.080
<v Speaker 1>like my, sister very, pragmatic practical person who she had

1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:50.080
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good job In milwaukee at the, time and

1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:52.840
<v Speaker 1>my cousin it was always his dream and my dream

1:01:52.920 --> 1:01:56.000
<v Speaker 1>to be these, producers these, songwriters and my sister, said all,

1:01:56.080 --> 1:01:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Right i'll come, along let's see what. Happens and we

1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:03.640
<v Speaker 1>did The bene album and you, know a story as

1:02:03.680 --> 1:02:07.160
<v Speaker 1>old as. Time it wasn't properly promoted or, marketed or

1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:08.800
<v Speaker 1>maybe we didn't have the right hit on the. Record

1:02:09.280 --> 1:02:12.560
<v Speaker 1>this this is ninety. Two Was gary At emi at this.

1:02:12.640 --> 1:02:15.800
<v Speaker 1>Time Gary, wait, wait, wait, wait why is that name for? Me?

1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:22.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, gary why is It? GARY i only Know gary

1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:25.400
<v Speaker 2>because very. Familiar he was these guy For Brown. Sugar

1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:29.720
<v Speaker 2>he was At emi around ninety. Two it was probably

1:02:29.760 --> 1:02:29.960
<v Speaker 2>in the.

1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:33.439
<v Speaker 1>Hallways you, KNOW i was primarily just dealing With Ron

1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:38.320
<v Speaker 1>fair And. Alison he Told Ron. Fair, Absolutely Ron, fair

1:02:38.360 --> 1:02:38.840
<v Speaker 1>what was that?

1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:44.640
<v Speaker 2>Like you got to qualify? THAT i don't know even

1:02:44.680 --> 1:02:48.840
<v Speaker 2>allowed to? Answer why you? No?

1:02:49.080 --> 1:02:52.919
<v Speaker 1>Ron you? KNOW i mean SEE i dealt With, Interscoope Ron.

1:02:52.960 --> 1:02:57.880
<v Speaker 1>FAIR i did a very very specific one away or The.

1:02:57.960 --> 1:03:01.000
<v Speaker 2>HIGHWAY i chose High, well that's.

1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Probably So Ron fair had to Give alison the, okay

1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Because Ron fair Was allison's boss to sign, us and

1:03:09.040 --> 1:03:14.040
<v Speaker 1>so you, Know Ron Fair slanders just like like two years.

1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:16.920
<v Speaker 1>AGO i never really had a relationship With Ron. Fairbauck

1:03:17.200 --> 1:03:20.800
<v Speaker 1>alison had the relationship With Ron, fair and you, know

1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:23.040
<v Speaker 1>so in that, Respect ron's always been cool with. Me

1:03:23.120 --> 1:03:24.640
<v Speaker 1>we just had dinner a couple of years. Ago.

1:03:24.920 --> 1:03:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Okay but for those Watching ron kind of ding like

1:03:30.240 --> 1:03:36.600
<v Speaker 2>Interscopes glory Years like if you look at The Chris maya's, stuff.

1:03:37.520 --> 1:03:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Who, Else Christina, aguilera those Are Ron Fair, glory no

1:03:43.520 --> 1:03:46.880
<v Speaker 1>doubt like any, yeah, yeah Like Ron, FAIR i would

1:03:46.920 --> 1:03:52.200
<v Speaker 1>say is probably kind of right behind the zone where

1:03:52.640 --> 1:03:56.080
<v Speaker 1>that we hold in the space For Clyde davis exactly

1:03:56.760 --> 1:04:00.840
<v Speaker 1>having the ears my you, know my rebellious twenty thirty

1:04:00.920 --> 1:04:03.600
<v Speaker 1>year old. Self you, know it was just in another

1:04:03.680 --> 1:04:07.720
<v Speaker 1>place WHERE i THINK i Believe WILL i, Am WILL

1:04:07.760 --> 1:04:10.000
<v Speaker 1>i gotta get you on the show. Too When will

1:04:10.120 --> 1:04:15.120
<v Speaker 1>talks about the third album with The, p's they gave

1:04:15.120 --> 1:04:18.080
<v Speaker 1>me the, scenario which is basically interscoping those, guys is, like,

1:04:18.120 --> 1:04:22.280
<v Speaker 1>look we have what it takes to make you guys,

1:04:22.360 --> 1:04:30.440
<v Speaker 1>winners or you could just be the, roots like and

1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:33.400
<v Speaker 1>they kind of made. IT i didn't take it as an,

1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:37.840
<v Speaker 1>insult because the thing is is that you, know basically

1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:39.880
<v Speaker 1>saying you can kind of choose not to reach white.

1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:43.200
<v Speaker 2>People, well it's like if you were to ask, me, now,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay SO i mean there's been no secret that with

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<v Speaker 2>The roots and The fuji's out at the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Time.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever, yeah we're touring with them at a point in,

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<v Speaker 2>which like they started out as our opening act and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a, sudden it's, like Oh, jesus like what's,

1:04:57.920 --> 1:05:01.600
<v Speaker 2>Happening like you, know and and if you were asked

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<v Speaker 2>me in, retrospect, like, okay if you can go back

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<v Speaker 2>again and do it all over, again and let's say

1:05:09.160 --> 1:05:11.480
<v Speaker 2>we put you in that same scenario where your second

1:05:11.560 --> 1:05:16.920
<v Speaker 2>album will sell sixty million, units but also this is

1:05:16.960 --> 1:05:19.680
<v Speaker 2>what will come with it and, everything and those three

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<v Speaker 2>have a very specific story of what's happened to him

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<v Speaker 2>in the last twenty five. Years, yeah and while it's,

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<v Speaker 2>happening AM i sitting in a bathtub having a panic?

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<v Speaker 1>Attack?

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<v Speaker 2>Electricities we're never going to make it Like i've had

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<v Speaker 2>many of those.

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<v Speaker 1>Nights oh but now, man like we've survived the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of quiet. War, yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's one that's not tangible enough for us to

1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:53.880
<v Speaker 2>actually prove that it was a war because people just

1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:56.200
<v Speaker 2>see it as, like oh the roots In, abney like,

1:05:56.400 --> 1:06:00.320
<v Speaker 2>yeah you guys. Singing but you, know there's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of the, journey the journey along the way is will.

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<v Speaker 2>Kill it's, taxing it has and it has no it's

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<v Speaker 2>killed every. Motherfucker, yeah because it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there's so much and what you just, said BUT

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<v Speaker 1>i just feel like it's so first of, all what we,

1:06:18.000 --> 1:06:23.400
<v Speaker 1>do it's so toxic to the human psyche and just

1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:29.040
<v Speaker 1>our journey to get the individual, adelation like and you

1:06:29.200 --> 1:06:33.520
<v Speaker 1>gotta be a really strong emotional person to keep yourself in,

1:06:33.680 --> 1:06:36.360
<v Speaker 1>check like even, that Like i've never been like a

1:06:36.400 --> 1:06:38.080
<v Speaker 1>really big, star.

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<v Speaker 2>But but being plucked From milwaukee and then just having

1:06:44.360 --> 1:06:48.640
<v Speaker 2>an unhealthy amount of attention on you for crazy. Shit

1:06:48.880 --> 1:06:52.480
<v Speaker 2>i've seen you eight times in my life and each

1:06:52.600 --> 1:06:58.600
<v Speaker 2>time like the drug of whoa whoa Like AND i

1:06:58.640 --> 1:07:01.000
<v Speaker 2>was there for key moments in your. Life, YEAH i

1:07:01.080 --> 1:07:03.360
<v Speaker 2>was there in the front row of THE Naacp awards

1:07:03.360 --> 1:07:06.640
<v Speaker 2>when that moment had like, yeah AND i know that's

1:07:06.680 --> 1:07:10.720
<v Speaker 2>a drug feeling that it is such a high and.

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<v Speaker 1>What people don't know is an hour after the show is.

1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:19.560
<v Speaker 2>Done i've discovered DJing after the show as a way

1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:23.080
<v Speaker 2>to let myself. Down, yeah that was why to avoid

1:07:23.360 --> 1:07:28.440
<v Speaker 2>drinking or to avoid any other you, Know bubble.

1:07:28.200 --> 1:07:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Will never understand that part of the. Journey you see

1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the snapshot of fame and success and it's, LIKE i want,

1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:41.800
<v Speaker 1>that but that's only the. Snapshot AND i know it

1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:44.240
<v Speaker 1>sounds so, like oh poor you, guys and it comes

1:07:44.280 --> 1:07:44.720
<v Speaker 1>off like.

1:07:45.480 --> 1:07:47.680
<v Speaker 2>This is WHY i make, movies like because if you

1:07:48.400 --> 1:07:52.400
<v Speaker 2>THE dna of all the movies is again to show

1:07:52.440 --> 1:07:55.600
<v Speaker 2>you the human side of because you, KNOW i wanted

1:07:55.640 --> 1:07:57.560
<v Speaker 2>to know why was Slid stone?

1:07:57.600 --> 1:08:00.760
<v Speaker 1>Sabotaging you get everything you ever, wanted just show.

1:08:00.840 --> 1:08:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Up and you, KNOW i was one of those people

1:08:03.520 --> 1:08:08.320
<v Speaker 2>that would, judge you, know, unfairly D, angelos barn.

1:08:08.520 --> 1:08:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Whatever it's difficult not to unfairly judge.

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<v Speaker 2>Them BUT i get it now AND i totally understand

1:08:15.720 --> 1:08:20.120
<v Speaker 2>that once you jump in this, pool it's no explaining

1:08:21.600 --> 1:08:24.840
<v Speaker 2>how to one of. Things it's no explaining the slow

1:08:24.920 --> 1:08:25.800
<v Speaker 2>horror of it. All.

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<v Speaker 1>Motherfucker it's kind of WHY i have.

1:08:30.320 --> 1:08:34.200
<v Speaker 2>A space just to meet other, people LIKE i, know

1:08:34.360 --> 1:08:37.639
<v Speaker 2>you know how that feels so like when the first

1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:44.040
<v Speaker 2>wave of what we call neo soul came through for,

1:08:44.240 --> 1:08:48.479
<v Speaker 2>you how much pressure did it? Feel BECAUSE i, mean

1:08:48.520 --> 1:08:52.000
<v Speaker 2>you're coming out the gate with the, d'angelo's with their,

1:08:52.320 --> 1:08:57.439
<v Speaker 2>was with the tony, britches with the that's, right, yeah,

1:08:57.520 --> 1:09:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Dude like just literally at the, time did it feel, like,

1:09:01.680 --> 1:09:02.880
<v Speaker 2>oh this is the dawning of a new?

1:09:02.920 --> 1:09:05.360
<v Speaker 1>Day like Where that's exactly what it felt. Like BECAUSE

1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:08.280
<v Speaker 1>i thought it was my, idea you, know you, know

1:09:08.439 --> 1:09:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you thought you were.

1:09:08.960 --> 1:09:10.280
<v Speaker 2>ALONE i THOUGHT i was doing.

1:09:10.320 --> 1:09:12.120
<v Speaker 1>Something it was, like, NAH i want to go back

1:09:12.120 --> 1:09:13.800
<v Speaker 1>to The donnie hat the WAY i want to go

1:09:13.880 --> 1:09:16.439
<v Speaker 1>back to the, keyboards AND i love the way you,

1:09:16.479 --> 1:09:19.800
<v Speaker 1>know h you, know probably Cod well with all these

1:09:19.840 --> 1:09:22.000
<v Speaker 1>live IN i, THOUGHT i, thought, OH i got a great.

1:09:22.040 --> 1:09:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Idea that's WHY i call it autum true to. Myself,

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<v Speaker 1>Right they're, Like i'm gonna do it like. Me and

1:09:26.760 --> 1:09:30.840
<v Speaker 1>then it was, like apparently there was twelve other motherfuckers

1:09:30.880 --> 1:09:32.639
<v Speaker 1>thinking the same thing more.

1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Than, that or even starting that record. One how did

1:09:38.520 --> 1:09:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it feel dusting yourself off from the rubble of The

1:09:43.320 --> 1:09:47.800
<v Speaker 2>benet project before and then doing it by, yourself without your,

1:09:47.800 --> 1:09:51.160
<v Speaker 2>sister without your Cousin, God because is there a whole

1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:55.000
<v Speaker 2>like the family dynamic and the guilt or the people pleasing.

1:09:55.120 --> 1:10:01.559
<v Speaker 1>Aspect there's definitely some family guilt of, hey, hey, Y'ALL

1:10:01.800 --> 1:10:05.679
<v Speaker 1>i gotta go do. This but the beautiful thing about

1:10:05.720 --> 1:10:09.439
<v Speaker 1>having such an incredible family LIKE i, have it's, like all,

1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:12.960
<v Speaker 1>right the little, brother we support, you and that how fucking?

1:10:13.400 --> 1:10:15.640
<v Speaker 1>HAPPEN i. Didn't that was my mom and dad just

1:10:15.760 --> 1:10:19.120
<v Speaker 1>raising us like, that and it WAS i. DON'T i don't.

1:10:19.160 --> 1:10:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Know so it's like.

1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:23.160
<v Speaker 2>No one ever gets over the guilt OF i gotta

1:10:23.200 --> 1:10:25.920
<v Speaker 2>do it for. Myself, yeah no one ever GETS i

1:10:26.439 --> 1:10:29.760
<v Speaker 2>have an incredible, family AND i never not give it

1:10:29.840 --> 1:10:32.400
<v Speaker 2>up to my family Whenever i'm thinking about my road

1:10:32.640 --> 1:10:33.120
<v Speaker 2>to being.

1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:37.240
<v Speaker 1>Here but that part of, it it was. Liberating it

1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:40.960
<v Speaker 1>was LIKE i remember Because alison will tell, you Because

1:10:41.000 --> 1:10:45.800
<v Speaker 1>alison saw so much in me from The benet, thing

1:10:46.800 --> 1:10:48.599
<v Speaker 1>and she was, Like, okay this is what we're gonna.

1:10:48.600 --> 1:10:50.760
<v Speaker 1>Do i'm gonna bring you out to L. A this

1:10:50.880 --> 1:10:53.920
<v Speaker 1>was after we got dropped for the. Thing i'm and

1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:55.559
<v Speaker 1>bring you out to L. A i know all these,

1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:59.280
<v Speaker 1>producers all these producers and are getting all these placements

1:10:59.400 --> 1:11:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna be here for a. Month and you're

1:11:01.160 --> 1:11:02.920
<v Speaker 1>in court with this, guy this, guy this, guy this.

1:11:02.960 --> 1:11:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Guy and THEN i did. THAT i went out there

1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:07.280
<v Speaker 1>AND i recorded all these songs that sounded like what was?

1:11:07.320 --> 1:11:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Happening and, wait did you write spiritual thing or femininity

1:11:10.880 --> 1:11:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Or i'll.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell you about.

1:11:11.800 --> 1:11:11.840
<v Speaker 2>That.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes so So i'm, LIKE i work with all these

1:11:16.040 --> 1:11:23.280
<v Speaker 1>producers and this was like ninety four, three AND i

1:11:23.320 --> 1:11:27.839
<v Speaker 1>remember we listened to all of the stuff and nothing

1:11:28.000 --> 1:11:30.280
<v Speaker 1>was hitting either one of. Us and she was just,

1:11:30.360 --> 1:11:32.599
<v Speaker 1>like you know, WHAT i JUST i spoke to all

1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:34.800
<v Speaker 1>the producers that you just work, with and they were, Like,

1:11:34.960 --> 1:11:37.799
<v Speaker 1>yeah the nigga can really, sing that's not the. Problem

1:11:37.920 --> 1:11:41.240
<v Speaker 1>he's just not his voice ain't really fitting on this.

1:11:41.280 --> 1:11:44.559
<v Speaker 1>Stuff and so that's WHEN i was, like how about.

1:11:44.560 --> 1:11:48.519
<v Speaker 1>This let me just go back To milwaukee and let

1:11:48.560 --> 1:11:52.280
<v Speaker 1>me just get with my. People it's Kat, demonte who

1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:56.280
<v Speaker 1>is this brilliant keyboard Player. Milwaukee my Cousin, george, like

1:11:56.520 --> 1:11:59.799
<v Speaker 1>let me just write a bunch of shit that feels

1:11:59.800 --> 1:12:02.680
<v Speaker 1>good to, me and that's where true to.

1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:06.679
<v Speaker 2>Myself who are you working with previously before you went

1:12:06.760 --> 1:12:08.080
<v Speaker 2>back to the woodshed to do it?

1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Yourself are you allowed to? SAY i am allowed to,

1:12:10.720 --> 1:12:13.360
<v Speaker 1>say but If i'm being quite honest with, YOU i don't. Remember,

1:12:14.479 --> 1:12:18.559
<v Speaker 1>yeah it was like it was talented. Guys allison was,

1:12:18.600 --> 1:12:21.080
<v Speaker 1>like this guy's goten placements, here this. Guy SO i

1:12:21.080 --> 1:12:24.800
<v Speaker 1>would record these songs got. You after that didn't, WORK

1:12:24.840 --> 1:12:27.520
<v Speaker 1>i just went back To milwaukee wrote true to, myself

1:12:28.280 --> 1:12:31.000
<v Speaker 1>all those songs got with this. Cat Oh Shoe La.

1:12:31.040 --> 1:12:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Day do you know O Shoe La? Day he's A

1:12:32.640 --> 1:12:35.439
<v Speaker 1>dj producer, Now but, anyway he used to be Called

1:12:35.479 --> 1:12:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Christian warren back in the. DAY i Recorded femininity with.

1:12:39.760 --> 1:12:44.400
<v Speaker 1>Him and THEN i Remember allison had just gotten her

1:12:44.520 --> 1:12:47.599
<v Speaker 1>job At Warner, brothers AND i remember, saying all, right

1:12:47.600 --> 1:12:49.599
<v Speaker 1>well check this, out see what you like about. This

1:12:50.280 --> 1:12:55.760
<v Speaker 1>she called me just like niggas when knew, this and

1:12:54.960 --> 1:12:58.639
<v Speaker 1>she let the people in the building At Warner brothers,

1:12:58.640 --> 1:13:00.760
<v Speaker 1>here and there was a buzz the. Run and that's

1:13:00.760 --> 1:13:03.200
<v Speaker 1>that's HOW i got The Warner brothers. Steal was this.

1:13:03.240 --> 1:13:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Still medina Led Warner brothers or who was like the?

1:13:07.200 --> 1:13:09.519
<v Speaker 1>HEAD i never knew what the structure, Was, no who

1:13:09.680 --> 1:13:13.160
<v Speaker 1>was like After medina? LEFT i don't. Know SO i

1:13:13.240 --> 1:13:15.720
<v Speaker 1>tried to stay out of the whole executive thing and

1:13:15.800 --> 1:13:18.800
<v Speaker 1>just be in a studio and deal With allison If

1:13:18.840 --> 1:13:20.960
<v Speaker 1>alison was in, There allison coming, here who was at

1:13:20.960 --> 1:13:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the head Of, no that was that was much. Later

1:13:25.040 --> 1:13:29.120
<v Speaker 1>that was much. Later alison Knows Tom wally was much.

1:13:29.160 --> 1:13:34.439
<v Speaker 2>Later so once these songs start, hitting what what is

1:13:34.600 --> 1:13:37.720
<v Speaker 2>what is the feeling like spiritual? Thing, yeah, like what

1:13:37.840 --> 1:13:40.600
<v Speaker 2>is the feeling of this EDUCATION i made? It or,

1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:43.680
<v Speaker 2>NO i never felt LIKE i made? It even now

1:13:43.760 --> 1:13:45.760
<v Speaker 2>these sort of feel like every day Is.

1:13:46.080 --> 1:13:48.240
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i still don't feel LIKE i made. IT i

1:13:48.320 --> 1:13:51.240
<v Speaker 1>still feel like forever be climbing, There, YEAH i will,

1:13:51.320 --> 1:13:54.840
<v Speaker 1>forever like AND i think that's the, Thing, like you're

1:13:55.680 --> 1:14:01.400
<v Speaker 1>a true musician, artist so you're more about reaching an

1:14:01.520 --> 1:14:05.840
<v Speaker 1>unreachable perfection of something that can never be. Perfected and

1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:09.400
<v Speaker 1>SO i always feel, like, ah well you just said

1:14:09.600 --> 1:14:10.200
<v Speaker 1>how much is?

1:14:10.360 --> 1:14:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Enough like ten minutes, ago and that is kind of

1:14:14.479 --> 1:14:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the Book i'm reading right, now is trying to teach,

1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:26.080
<v Speaker 2>me like really to settle into not being. Insatiable, yeah

1:14:26.520 --> 1:14:30.360
<v Speaker 2>or it's never perfect enough that the fulfillment never completely.

1:14:30.400 --> 1:14:30.799
<v Speaker 1>Happening.

1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay when you got your, deal AND i always asked,

1:14:35.439 --> 1:14:39.040
<v Speaker 2>this what was the first extravagant thing you did for

1:14:39.080 --> 1:14:44.320
<v Speaker 2>yourself when you got to the other side or made

1:14:44.400 --> 1:14:45.679
<v Speaker 2>it or got your.

1:14:45.560 --> 1:14:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Advance or, shit got a. Condo, okay so it was

1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:54.479
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i need a place to. LOSE i never really,

1:14:54.680 --> 1:14:55.280
<v Speaker 1>well mine was just.

1:14:55.320 --> 1:14:59.439
<v Speaker 2>Sneakers, Sneakers oh, DUDE i went out WHEN i got my,

1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:03.760
<v Speaker 2>ADVANCE i purchased ten. Pairs like you gotta, understand like

1:15:04.880 --> 1:15:08.360
<v Speaker 2>when YOU i lived in a one pair of sneaker

1:15:08.680 --> 1:15:12.200
<v Speaker 2>a year. Household, yeah and you got school, sneakers of

1:15:12.240 --> 1:15:15.040
<v Speaker 2>which you couldn't wear at, home so it's like your play, clothes.

1:15:14.760 --> 1:15:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And so you just went sneaker. Crazy.

1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Dude WHEN i got my, EVENTS i went and got

1:15:21.040 --> 1:15:25.080
<v Speaker 2>every color code Of puma's ever that's. Dope and THEN

1:15:25.640 --> 1:15:29.519
<v Speaker 2>i Forgot my dad was LIKE i didn't tell my

1:15:29.560 --> 1:15:31.000
<v Speaker 2>dad about The roots until the second.

1:15:31.000 --> 1:15:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Album what wait wait wait wait wait you already know the?

1:15:34.800 --> 1:15:38.720
<v Speaker 1>Drill like, again same. Story, yeah my dad wanted me

1:15:38.720 --> 1:15:41.479
<v Speaker 1>to go To. Juilliard yeah, Yeah i'm going To. Juilliard yeah,

1:15:41.560 --> 1:15:43.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah i'm going to my insurance job to pay for.

1:15:43.520 --> 1:15:48.760
<v Speaker 2>COLLEGE i did my audition and it just so happens

1:15:49.520 --> 1:15:52.320
<v Speaker 2>on the train. Ride hope trequ was with me audition

1:15:52.439 --> 1:15:54.519
<v Speaker 2>at The New school in The Juilliard gotland train ride

1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:57.720
<v Speaker 2>home and it was somehow of great poopone commercial or

1:15:57.920 --> 1:16:00.120
<v Speaker 2>the end of WHAT i call dumb and.

1:16:00.200 --> 1:16:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Dumber the finest woman walks up and.

1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Says excuse, me are you the drummer in The Spike

1:16:06.960 --> 1:16:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Lee levi's?

1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Commercial?

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Yes have him gone to school with boys to men's?

1:16:12.120 --> 1:16:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Hilarious have him gone to school with boys to? MEN

1:16:14.560 --> 1:16:17.519
<v Speaker 2>i was in The Motown philly. Video, yeah but my

1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:21.240
<v Speaker 2>dumb ASS i wasn't thinking quick enough because she was paralyzing.

1:16:21.520 --> 1:16:26.120
<v Speaker 1>BEAUTIFUL i was, like, no that's not, me and she's.

1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Like oh, okay and she saw her off in tweeks like.

1:16:30.960 --> 1:16:34.840
<v Speaker 2>Like and then the next day we're Watching Soul train

1:16:35.080 --> 1:16:38.720
<v Speaker 2>and A Spike lee commercial comes on and we have the, eureka, like,

1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:43.040
<v Speaker 2>yo that girl thought this was. Us so when we

1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:44.720
<v Speaker 2>get a bucket and go On South street and see what's?

1:16:44.760 --> 1:16:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Up so we know the anniversary of what you know

1:16:49.720 --> 1:16:53.600
<v Speaker 2>is the roots thirty four years ago Last, SATURDAY i

1:16:53.640 --> 1:16:57.200
<v Speaker 2>took a white shitling bucket from his grandmam's, career some.

1:16:57.320 --> 1:17:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Drumsticks we freestyled for you, know, uh four. Hours why

1:17:03.040 --> 1:17:05.679
<v Speaker 2>DID i never know this? Story if we don't make

1:17:05.720 --> 1:17:06.960
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty dollars in.

1:17:07.080 --> 1:17:09.559
<v Speaker 1>Change we're never doing it. Again it's just that one.

1:17:09.600 --> 1:17:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Time remember we played on the street corner and, yeah, yeah,

1:17:12.000 --> 1:17:14.519
<v Speaker 2>yeah but one hundred and fifty bucks seventy five each

1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:17.160
<v Speaker 2>back back back in the that was date night money

1:17:17.240 --> 1:17:17.680
<v Speaker 2>back in the.

1:17:17.840 --> 1:17:20.599
<v Speaker 1>Day, Right so we're, LIKE i was making seventy five

1:17:20.640 --> 1:17:22.559
<v Speaker 1>dollars a week in that. BAND i was telling you, about,

1:17:22.720 --> 1:17:25.240
<v Speaker 1>dude we thought we was. Rich, Yeah so then it's,

1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:26.000
<v Speaker 1>like let's do it next.

1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:28.280
<v Speaker 2>Week let's do it next. Week then there's, like, well

1:17:28.320 --> 1:17:30.519
<v Speaker 2>let's bring out the real. Drums, hey count join your,

1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Band count join your and.

1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:36.559
<v Speaker 1>Oh my, GOD i love when things happen organically and for,

1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:37.720
<v Speaker 1>real out of.

1:17:37.800 --> 1:17:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Necessity so that's that's kind of how it. Happened so

1:17:41.920 --> 1:17:46.240
<v Speaker 2>but my, DAD i did not tell my dad about

1:17:46.600 --> 1:17:48.160
<v Speaker 2>any of the cause you was looking at like you

1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:51.280
<v Speaker 2>hang with that hoodlam trek and you need to be got?

1:17:51.360 --> 1:17:53.560
<v Speaker 1>Up what's up to? Rek you?

1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:56.479
<v Speaker 2>Hook? NO i, mean, Look I'm I'M i have the

1:17:56.560 --> 1:18:03.720
<v Speaker 2>parents that will be like you better motown twenty five dishes.

1:18:02.000 --> 1:18:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Too, yeah my mom and dad.

1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Too yeah, yeah yea, yeah literally like, yeah you better

1:18:06.280 --> 1:18:08.320
<v Speaker 2>don't believe a hype that homework you know WHAT i,

1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:12.479
<v Speaker 2>Mean like that's what they would. Do SO i, mean

1:18:12.640 --> 1:18:15.120
<v Speaker 2>eventually my cousin's out of me and my dad's like

1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:19.840
<v Speaker 2>what's this and we're we're on the front page of

1:18:19.840 --> 1:18:21.400
<v Speaker 2>like The Philadeli, inquirer Like.

1:18:22.000 --> 1:18:25.759
<v Speaker 1>Root sophomore album. EVERYTHING i was like a similar, Story

1:18:25.840 --> 1:18:27.720
<v Speaker 1>like my dad didn't know THAT i was writing all

1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:31.960
<v Speaker 1>these songs UNTIL i was. Playing it Was gina that

1:18:32.000 --> 1:18:36.639
<v Speaker 1>won that, contest was, right, right and, uh hey that's.

1:18:36.720 --> 1:18:40.680
<v Speaker 1>You he wrote that and he did. That like the

1:18:40.720 --> 1:18:43.599
<v Speaker 1>biggest version of the compliment that my dad could ever

1:18:43.640 --> 1:18:48.160
<v Speaker 1>do was, huh, hey that's pretty good and and then that's,

1:18:48.320 --> 1:18:49.120
<v Speaker 1>yeah that was that was.

1:18:49.160 --> 1:18:53.080
<v Speaker 2>It you Got me had to get. Added, no you

1:18:53.160 --> 1:18:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Got me started getting play ON mtv in the. Afternoon.

1:18:57.120 --> 1:19:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow and then finally your bar he let up my fourth. Album,

1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:05.599
<v Speaker 2>fine then he was not damn well black black parents

1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:09.920
<v Speaker 2>are just about the safety of, it and it's all coming.

1:19:09.680 --> 1:19:12.320
<v Speaker 1>Out respect from the. Politics, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah who was the figure that you met early in

1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:28.679
<v Speaker 2>your career that like had you shook to your court

1:19:28.720 --> 1:19:32.520
<v Speaker 2>BECAUSE i know that you, know you're meeting your idols

1:19:32.560 --> 1:19:36.040
<v Speaker 2>and all these, things and like how just intimidating was

1:19:36.040 --> 1:19:36.519
<v Speaker 2>that first.

1:19:36.680 --> 1:19:39.360
<v Speaker 1>Round the first round was crazy and the FIRST i

1:19:39.400 --> 1:19:41.559
<v Speaker 1>love your questions because every time you ask, one a

1:19:41.600 --> 1:19:43.759
<v Speaker 1>person or an image pops in my. Head it Was Natalie.

1:19:43.840 --> 1:19:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Cole it Was Natalie. Cole that's such a Great natali cool.

1:19:46.840 --> 1:19:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Story what was? YOURS i want to hear Your Natalie cole.

1:19:49.120 --> 1:19:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Story but, so my sister AND i were doing The

1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:57.280
<v Speaker 1>this was before we got The benet album and we

1:19:57.280 --> 1:19:59.880
<v Speaker 1>were just in that band and we were working on

1:20:00.000 --> 1:20:04.800
<v Speaker 1>our original songs and my Cousin george submitted us for,

1:20:04.840 --> 1:20:06.559
<v Speaker 1>this that and the, other and we did The jack

1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:10.080
<v Speaker 1>The rapper convention back in the, day which eventually got

1:20:10.160 --> 1:20:14.519
<v Speaker 1>us on this show Called Big. BREAK i, remember of

1:20:14.560 --> 1:20:18.200
<v Speaker 1>course on, IT i one big break for THE i,

1:20:18.439 --> 1:20:22.559
<v Speaker 1>okay so Every Big break for those not, watching it's

1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:25.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of Like Star. Search, yeah so my, sister every

1:20:26.000 --> 1:20:28.960
<v Speaker 1>episode would have a, Winner, oh you got this many,

1:20:29.200 --> 1:20:31.559
<v Speaker 1>votes and today's winner is but, no, no The. Bennet

1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:35.040
<v Speaker 1>and then at the end of the season they would

1:20:35.120 --> 1:20:38.880
<v Speaker 1>have all the winners come back and compete for who

1:20:38.960 --> 1:20:43.320
<v Speaker 1>is the seasonal? Winner, right and the seasonal winner WAS

1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:49.200
<v Speaker 1>R kelly and public. ANNOUNCEMENT i wasn't ready for. This

1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:53.920
<v Speaker 1>they wanted. Too, yes and, wait what year was? This? Shit,

1:20:54.080 --> 1:20:56.439
<v Speaker 1>man this must have been like ninety one or some,

1:20:56.600 --> 1:20:59.760
<v Speaker 1>shit it's like. That and SO i never knew this

1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:03.559
<v Speaker 1>or NINETY i don't. Know, yeah and then so And

1:21:03.680 --> 1:21:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Natalie cole was the, host AND i never met a

1:21:06.880 --> 1:21:10.240
<v Speaker 1>big celebrity before she was the. Host she was the,

1:21:10.320 --> 1:21:13.080
<v Speaker 1>host AND i just AS i just, remember you, know

1:21:13.280 --> 1:21:16.280
<v Speaker 1>when you're plucked from obscurity In, milwaukee you have an

1:21:16.360 --> 1:21:20.080
<v Speaker 1>idea of what an, iconic legendary celebrity is going to

1:21:20.200 --> 1:21:22.559
<v Speaker 1>be or going to be. Like and she was the.

1:21:22.640 --> 1:21:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Antithesis she was the. Opposite she was just so oh my,

1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:29.519
<v Speaker 1>god you guys are so they're so. Ten she wanted

1:21:29.560 --> 1:21:31.920
<v Speaker 1>to sit and have a conversation and she was just

1:21:31.960 --> 1:21:35.559
<v Speaker 1>so real and, raw and that shook. ME i was,

1:21:35.640 --> 1:21:38.800
<v Speaker 1>like but do you know that You're Natalie. Cole i'm

1:21:38.840 --> 1:21:41.599
<v Speaker 1>thinking to, Myself You're Natalie. Cole and she's just like

1:21:41.800 --> 1:21:43.760
<v Speaker 1>she did that your. Sister you and your sister just

1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:45.600
<v Speaker 1>so adorable AND i love you and the way you,

1:21:45.640 --> 1:21:49.120
<v Speaker 1>harmonize and so, yeah that was, Incredible but what is your?

1:21:49.200 --> 1:21:50.200
<v Speaker 1>Story all? Right?

1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Actually, okay SO i have you said that and you

1:21:54.160 --> 1:21:57.880
<v Speaker 2>just reminded me THAT i Met Natalie cole, twice so

1:21:57.920 --> 1:22:00.920
<v Speaker 2>technically the first TIME i met her was probably the

1:22:00.920 --> 1:22:04.000
<v Speaker 2>most dream scenario of all. Time speaking of Like jack The,

1:22:04.080 --> 1:22:09.840
<v Speaker 2>rapper there's you, know There's philadelphia Legend Deanna williams who

1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:13.360
<v Speaker 2>would throw these. Conventions you, know conventions were like a

1:22:13.400 --> 1:22:14.200
<v Speaker 2>thing of the nineties or.

1:22:14.200 --> 1:22:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Whatever we had no in and it's.

1:22:16.560 --> 1:22:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Right so we had THE I Am convention In philadelphia

1:22:21.880 --> 1:22:24.560
<v Speaker 2>AND i would. Intern i've been turned there like for

1:22:24.600 --> 1:22:26.280
<v Speaker 2>at least like two or three years in a. Row

1:22:26.560 --> 1:22:29.839
<v Speaker 2>and the last TIME i did THE I Am, convention

1:22:30.360 --> 1:22:32.519
<v Speaker 2>they were going to give Like Stevie wonder The Diamond

1:22:32.520 --> 1:22:36.920
<v Speaker 2>award Of excellence or something like. That And Stevie wonder

1:22:36.960 --> 1:22:40.519
<v Speaker 2>has a routine That I've i've learned like throughout the

1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:43.600
<v Speaker 2>years where after he give us a, performance he'll have

1:22:43.640 --> 1:22:46.479
<v Speaker 2>a meet And greek in his dressing room or maybe

1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:49.639
<v Speaker 2>in his hotel suite upstairs not to and there's always

1:22:49.680 --> 1:22:50.320
<v Speaker 2>a piano keep.

1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Going But Stevie wonder one of the most, beautiful like

1:22:53.240 --> 1:22:55.799
<v Speaker 1>incredible people that know anyway.

1:22:55.880 --> 1:23:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, Yeah so it's like. Clockwork literally he's done given

1:23:00.640 --> 1:23:04.360
<v Speaker 2>a performance or does what he do he'll either there's

1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:08.400
<v Speaker 2>always a grand piano inside his hotel room or backstage

1:23:09.160 --> 1:23:12.439
<v Speaker 2>and you know where it's getting. Out, Okay stevie wonder

1:23:12.479 --> 1:23:13.640
<v Speaker 2>is going to have a meet and greet in his.

1:23:13.720 --> 1:23:15.720
<v Speaker 2>Room so we were, allowed the roots were allowed to

1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:15.960
<v Speaker 2>come in.

1:23:16.000 --> 1:23:17.560
<v Speaker 1>There and.

1:23:19.720 --> 1:23:22.400
<v Speaker 2>By the TIME i get, there Like, stevie the best

1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:27.320
<v Speaker 2>part of A Stevie wonders show is this, part which

1:23:27.360 --> 1:23:32.599
<v Speaker 2>is he's at the, piano and of course every piano

1:23:32.680 --> 1:23:37.720
<v Speaker 2>is just surrounded by at least twenty, women and it'll be.

1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Random things, like oh There's Valerie, simpson.

1:23:39.840 --> 1:23:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Incredible oh There's Cavy, Sledge, yeah there's you, know and

1:23:43.280 --> 1:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>he's literally going through his albums LIKE i got in right,

1:23:47.360 --> 1:23:52.840
<v Speaker 2>when LIKE i think he started doing people handing in.

1:23:53.240 --> 1:23:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Visions he was doing, visions you. Know So i'm watching

1:23:57.400 --> 1:24:00.920
<v Speaker 2>this for a half hour and, then you, know take

1:24:00.960 --> 1:24:04.479
<v Speaker 2>a seat and then decided to get some aror by this,

1:24:04.520 --> 1:24:06.360
<v Speaker 2>point he's like one songs in The key Of, Life

1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:07.599
<v Speaker 2>like he's literally going.

1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:08.960
<v Speaker 1>Through his discography and they're singing.

1:24:09.040 --> 1:24:11.600
<v Speaker 2>EVERYTHING i love, it AND i sit out there and

1:24:11.640 --> 1:24:16.360
<v Speaker 2>then suddenly Like Andre fisher And Natalie cole come and

1:24:16.400 --> 1:24:20.640
<v Speaker 2>sit down next to. Us now you, KNOW i am

1:24:20.960 --> 1:24:23.559
<v Speaker 2>one of the Biggest rufus fans of all. Time Andre

1:24:23.680 --> 1:24:25.400
<v Speaker 2>fisher was the drummer And.

1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:26.080
<v Speaker 1>Rufus oh.

1:24:26.320 --> 1:24:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely he's also the nephew of one of my, Idols Claire.

1:24:30.160 --> 1:24:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Fisher, fisher WHO i had the pleasure of before he.

1:24:34.040 --> 1:24:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Passed Claire. FISHER i had the pleasure.

1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>On a, song absolutely A Claire fisher string. Arrangement but,

1:24:42.920 --> 1:24:45.559
<v Speaker 2>Anyway i'm, sorry go, Ahead. Okay so the beginning of

1:24:45.920 --> 1:24:49.760
<v Speaker 2>d'angelo's Really love is the last thing That Claire fisher.

1:24:49.439 --> 1:24:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Because he's doing all those string arrangements on Those rufous

1:24:51.760 --> 1:24:54.400
<v Speaker 1>album Little, boy doing all those Beautiful oh my.

1:24:54.479 --> 1:24:58.839
<v Speaker 2>God SO i had a skillion questions For Andre fisher

1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:02.120
<v Speaker 2>and he's telling me about Like rufus first phoned and

1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:04.639
<v Speaker 2>and it took me an hour to be like, yo

1:25:04.840 --> 1:25:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Like Nalie cole And Andre fisher don't know me from

1:25:07.920 --> 1:25:09.160
<v Speaker 2>a can of, paint but they're, like.

1:25:09.800 --> 1:25:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Blew your, way didn't.

1:25:10.760 --> 1:25:15.080
<v Speaker 2>It and by this point he's on side for of

1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:17.160
<v Speaker 2>like songs in The key Of life Like i'm missing

1:25:17.880 --> 1:25:21.840
<v Speaker 2>if it's magic and as like you're in the back

1:25:21.840 --> 1:25:26.160
<v Speaker 2>of you here making this. Up, no like he's we're

1:25:26.160 --> 1:25:27.240
<v Speaker 2>on The balcony.

1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:30.400
<v Speaker 1>And The Andre, Fisher Natalie cole With Stevie Wonder.

1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:35.719
<v Speaker 2>Just, however my my Fun Nally cole story is night.

1:25:35.560 --> 1:25:41.160
<v Speaker 1>One of The voodoo, TOUR i learned what the term

1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>eighty six.

1:25:42.120 --> 1:25:47.400
<v Speaker 2>Means LIKE i THOUGHT i was in this industry between you,

1:25:47.400 --> 1:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>know this Is voodoo comes out In. January so we're at.

1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:52.400
<v Speaker 2>That we're doing a week at The house Of, blues

1:25:52.680 --> 1:25:55.120
<v Speaker 2>right just as warm up shows before we start the.

1:25:55.120 --> 1:25:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Tour there's nothing like AND i feel guilty for it

1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:02.680
<v Speaker 2>because you, know people when they talk About, la they're, like, a,

1:26:02.880 --> 1:26:05.280
<v Speaker 2>MAN i Hate. La ali's not real And i'm leaving

1:26:05.280 --> 1:26:06.040
<v Speaker 2>here and da da da da.

1:26:06.120 --> 1:26:07.760
<v Speaker 1>Dada.

1:26:08.439 --> 1:26:12.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah but whenever we go TO, la it's just, like, oh,

1:26:12.680 --> 1:26:14.720
<v Speaker 2>man what's going to happen? Tonight and so we did

1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>a week at The house Of blues and every, night

1:26:18.960 --> 1:26:23.400
<v Speaker 2>LIKE i THOUGHT i was in this, industry but to

1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:27.240
<v Speaker 2>be there for a two month Old voodoo, album of

1:26:27.240 --> 1:26:30.639
<v Speaker 2>which now it's in everyone's, system and we're testing these

1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:37.240
<v Speaker 2>shows out and there's a point in the show where you,

1:26:37.280 --> 1:26:39.320
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i get it like a two minute break while

1:26:39.400 --> 1:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>something's happening on the stage And i'm listening on the

1:26:42.920 --> 1:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>walkie talkie of like one of, them AND i keep

1:26:45.320 --> 1:26:46.880
<v Speaker 2>hearing the term.

1:26:46.560 --> 1:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Eighty, six eighty. Six she's getting eighty six And i's getting.

1:26:50.920 --> 1:26:55.120
<v Speaker 1>IT i get backstage And Tina farris is, like, yeah,

1:26:55.120 --> 1:26:56.559
<v Speaker 1>man we had the eighty. Six Natalie.

1:26:56.560 --> 1:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Cole one more again is probably the most. Night if

1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:04.439
<v Speaker 2>you would, ask, like what's the experience that was the

1:27:04.520 --> 1:27:07.880
<v Speaker 2>hardest of The Voodoo. Tour it's doing one more, again

1:27:08.240 --> 1:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>because either fight's going to break, out or sometimes the

1:27:11.760 --> 1:27:14.559
<v Speaker 2>women would get smart and be like, okay and they

1:27:14.560 --> 1:27:18.200
<v Speaker 2>would run like football, plays like, okay three security guards

1:27:18.240 --> 1:27:20.519
<v Speaker 2>on that side and one's over, there so this is

1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:23.839
<v Speaker 2>What i'll. Do i'll run on. Stage it never, failed,

1:27:23.920 --> 1:27:27.479
<v Speaker 2>really two were run on stage and then four security

1:27:27.479 --> 1:27:29.000
<v Speaker 2>guards would get, them and that's the.

1:27:29.000 --> 1:27:30.599
<v Speaker 1>Opening and then they were open and.

1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow so then it just became a how can we

1:27:34.840 --> 1:27:38.360
<v Speaker 2>keep D'Angelo from, bleeding you, know scratching.

1:27:38.439 --> 1:27:42.799
<v Speaker 1>HIM i ain't never had them, problems, dude.

1:27:41.880 --> 1:27:45.160
<v Speaker 2>But at one or even, worse it'll be a fight

1:27:45.200 --> 1:27:47.840
<v Speaker 2>in the. Audience AND i don't know what, happened But

1:27:47.960 --> 1:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Natalie cole was not getting out the way for, nobody

1:27:51.560 --> 1:27:55.479
<v Speaker 2>AND i heard they were scrapping AND.

1:27:55.439 --> 1:27:56.559
<v Speaker 1>I never knew it was actually.

1:27:56.600 --> 1:28:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Scrapping they had the eighty Six Natalie cole out of

1:28:01.040 --> 1:28:04.680
<v Speaker 2>The house Of blues and two other women for either

1:28:04.720 --> 1:28:08.040
<v Speaker 2>about to get into it or. WHATEVER i never knew

1:28:08.080 --> 1:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>what the term eighty six meant until The Natalie cole. Movement, wait,

1:28:12.680 --> 1:28:14.720
<v Speaker 2>OKAY i have something hilarious to tell. You so Is

1:28:14.760 --> 1:28:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Summer fest held in that sort of outdoor amphitheater?

1:28:17.800 --> 1:28:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Thing? Yeah by the? Water, OKAY i have another.

1:28:24.040 --> 1:28:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Story oh, GOD i don't know IF i was to

1:28:26.439 --> 1:28:30.160
<v Speaker 2>tell the, STORY i told, It, OKAY i told it

1:28:30.240 --> 1:28:35.080
<v Speaker 2>in his. Obituary but you, know we're sound. Checking this

1:28:35.120 --> 1:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>is the one show that we had. Together. Okay it

1:28:39.320 --> 1:28:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Was Eric bana And DiAngelo In milwaukee the summer of two. Thousand,

1:28:44.439 --> 1:28:48.760
<v Speaker 2>okay now you know what your situation was.

1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Back in two. Thousand. Yeah and it wasn't a.

1:28:51.280 --> 1:28:53.080
<v Speaker 2>Rule like you, know keep people, with you, know like

1:28:53.120 --> 1:28:55.840
<v Speaker 2>principal half like motherfucker's, like, yeah you can't come on

1:28:55.880 --> 1:28:56.720
<v Speaker 2>stage and watch it or.

1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

1:28:57.120 --> 1:29:02.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and so we're playing and we're sound Checking Devil's pie,

1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:04.360
<v Speaker 2>whoa and we're just sound.

1:29:04.439 --> 1:29:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Checking.

1:29:04.840 --> 1:29:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so it's basically like just sound, checking like we're

1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:12.720
<v Speaker 2>not going through the motions or, whatever and we look

1:29:12.760 --> 1:29:15.360
<v Speaker 2>to the left And i'm in my, communication.

1:29:15.520 --> 1:29:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Mic i'm in my, communication mic AND i, said, oh

1:29:22.360 --> 1:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>my fucking. God you know she's here.

1:29:27.040 --> 1:29:31.519
<v Speaker 2>And she's watching, us and it's like make her go.

1:29:31.600 --> 1:29:35.439
<v Speaker 2>Away and again it's like we were. Frozen but the thing,

1:29:35.720 --> 1:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>WAS i noticed that we started getting more. Intense of

1:29:39.320 --> 1:29:44.479
<v Speaker 2>course you, did but then these getting AND i forget.

1:29:44.560 --> 1:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>That de can hear my? Communication mic, OH i, said,

1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>yo man told at the.

1:29:50.080 --> 1:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>OBITUARY i told, this, yes because this is one of

1:29:53.400 --> 1:29:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the funniest moments in.

1:29:54.439 --> 1:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Life, okay, Okay and next THING i, know like.

1:29:59.280 --> 1:30:02.240
<v Speaker 2>He looks, still AND i instantly see his body, freeze

1:30:02.280 --> 1:30:03.639
<v Speaker 2>like holy, shit she's.

1:30:03.680 --> 1:30:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Here and the next THING.

1:30:05.400 --> 1:30:10.559
<v Speaker 2>I, know like he's now like he full pay me

1:30:10.560 --> 1:30:15.519
<v Speaker 2>two times and, shit And i'm, like, dude wait what

1:30:15.600 --> 1:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>A celtic. Nigga, Yeah i'm, like let's just we're. Good

1:30:19.400 --> 1:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>like we tested everything and he we went through like the.

1:30:23.200 --> 1:30:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Fortnute this is what. Happens now we're doing.

1:30:29.120 --> 1:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Full fledged dose pie for.

1:30:30.800 --> 1:30:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Nobody there's nobody in the, house And i'm, like Oh,

1:30:36.080 --> 1:30:41.719
<v Speaker 2>god like like we're literally like a boulder like headed

1:30:41.800 --> 1:30:47.000
<v Speaker 2>down and he is and It's james Brown bag and

1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:48.120
<v Speaker 2>he's like doing the splits and.

1:30:48.280 --> 1:30:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Stuff, SAID i was kidding and, no but this is what.

1:30:51.160 --> 1:30:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Happens he there's a point in the song right from

1:30:54.120 --> 1:30:56.160
<v Speaker 2>the all A, Lie all A lie where you, know

1:30:56.200 --> 1:30:58.240
<v Speaker 2>we learned this from, friends where he runs on one

1:30:58.280 --> 1:31:00.800
<v Speaker 2>side of the stage and slide in the home. Plate

1:31:01.760 --> 1:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>but this is what he didn't. Know it was a

1:31:04.200 --> 1:31:08.120
<v Speaker 2>wooden floor. Splinters oh, worse there was a.

1:31:08.320 --> 1:31:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Nail This milwaukee, man nothing's put together. Properly it was

1:31:15.920 --> 1:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>like there was a nail inside the. Stage, Right so.

1:31:19.960 --> 1:31:23.880
<v Speaker 2>He's running and when he slides in the home, plate

1:31:24.240 --> 1:31:32.839
<v Speaker 2>just the nail slices like he has very thin cotton slacks.

1:31:32.880 --> 1:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>On you ever Watched Charlie brown where he's at the pitcher's, Mount,

1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:42.320
<v Speaker 2>yes and he throws the pitch and then next thing you,

1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>know he's like butt naked because the D'Angelo had pants,

1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:53.400
<v Speaker 2>on and then he did the slide and the nail

1:31:53.760 --> 1:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>just ripped a perfect like literally his pants, were oh my.

1:31:59.280 --> 1:32:02.200
<v Speaker 1>God but it got his him, too, RIGHT.

1:32:02.960 --> 1:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean he was, bleeding but it was also, like,

1:32:04.960 --> 1:32:06.080
<v Speaker 2>dude your, commando what the?

1:32:06.080 --> 1:32:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Fuck and that worked out kind of. Good, no then

1:32:13.000 --> 1:32:14.439
<v Speaker 1>it was, like all, right stop the. Song he ran

1:32:14.640 --> 1:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>stage and got new.

1:32:15.400 --> 1:32:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Pants but, literally my, God we've never done a more

1:32:19.880 --> 1:32:22.920
<v Speaker 2>intense sound check in my life AND i love.

1:32:22.960 --> 1:32:25.080
<v Speaker 1>That i'm SORRY i had to bring.

1:32:25.080 --> 1:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>That, Okay so for, you you've AND i mentioned at

1:32:30.400 --> 1:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>the top of the show that you've created.

1:32:35.080 --> 1:32:35.679
<v Speaker 1>The wedding.

1:32:35.720 --> 1:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>Song when something is, successful, yeah and overtly, successful does

1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it become a?

1:32:43.360 --> 1:32:43.759
<v Speaker 1>Burden?

1:32:45.160 --> 1:32:49.639
<v Speaker 2>Now having done the Earth wind And, Fire Doc philip

1:32:49.680 --> 1:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>shares a story where he has to break people's hearts

1:32:52.240 --> 1:32:55.840
<v Speaker 2>because they don't know That reasons is a cheating song

1:32:55.920 --> 1:32:58.280
<v Speaker 2>and not a wedding. Song so he talks about the

1:32:58.320 --> 1:33:01.240
<v Speaker 2>insane amount of times they've been and ask to Perform

1:33:01.320 --> 1:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>reasons at a wedding or. Whatever for spend my life with, you,

1:33:06.960 --> 1:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>like at what point did you realize like and were

1:33:10.040 --> 1:33:13.519
<v Speaker 2>you ever given any wedding request to perform missing?

1:33:14.479 --> 1:33:18.280
<v Speaker 1>So and do you get tired of singing? It to

1:33:18.360 --> 1:33:20.960
<v Speaker 1>answer that part of the, QUESTION i remember being a

1:33:21.040 --> 1:33:25.280
<v Speaker 1>kid and seeing some of my favorite artists who were

1:33:25.360 --> 1:33:29.040
<v Speaker 1>known for certain, songs AND i remember, Thinking, WOW i

1:33:29.040 --> 1:33:31.760
<v Speaker 1>bet they get tired of doing that same they sit,

1:33:31.840 --> 1:33:35.120
<v Speaker 1>here they go they're doing that same damn Song and

1:33:35.200 --> 1:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>SO i would imagine that IF i were ever to make,

1:33:39.040 --> 1:33:41.960
<v Speaker 1>IT i would just get sick of doing the same

1:33:42.040 --> 1:33:46.519
<v Speaker 1>song over and over. AGAIN i don't have that. SENSATION

1:33:47.120 --> 1:33:52.320
<v Speaker 1>i love performing my. MUSIC i think it's one of

1:33:52.360 --> 1:33:55.599
<v Speaker 1>the things that keeps me feeling. YOUNG i think every

1:33:55.640 --> 1:33:58.479
<v Speaker 1>TIME i send us a SOMETIMES i cry or spend my.

1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Life, WELL i was gonna, say SOMETIMES i want to,

1:34:00.800 --> 1:34:04.240
<v Speaker 2>ask because the Times i've seen you, perform you have

1:34:04.560 --> 1:34:07.600
<v Speaker 2>that's an intense song to go and when you do

1:34:07.640 --> 1:34:09.360
<v Speaker 2>it in, concert it's super.

1:34:09.479 --> 1:34:12.240
<v Speaker 1>Intense it's, yeah there's no way to lightly do that.

1:34:12.360 --> 1:34:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Song so what if you're just not it?

1:34:15.040 --> 1:34:16.920
<v Speaker 2>Has what mind state do you have to be in

1:34:17.560 --> 1:34:20.639
<v Speaker 2>order to put yourself through that that rigorous?

1:34:20.680 --> 1:34:24.759
<v Speaker 1>Process that's that's a great. Question so SOMETIMES i. Cry

1:34:24.920 --> 1:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>it's one of those songs where we wrote the song

1:34:28.439 --> 1:34:31.880
<v Speaker 1>and the song was, mixed wasn't mastered, yet And i'm

1:34:31.920 --> 1:34:34.559
<v Speaker 1>just driving around listening to the song for a week

1:34:34.640 --> 1:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>before we actually master, it and As i'm singing along

1:34:37.920 --> 1:34:40.280
<v Speaker 1>when it gets to that, Modulation i'm in the car

1:34:41.160 --> 1:34:44.599
<v Speaker 1>AND i hit like three or four full tones above

1:34:44.840 --> 1:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>what it was on the. RECORD i called my engineer

1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>And i'm, like, man get your ass to the. STUDIO

1:34:49.800 --> 1:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>i THINK i could do a higher, note.

1:34:51.640 --> 1:34:54.640
<v Speaker 2>And so so you wouldn't let it.

1:34:54.680 --> 1:34:58.679
<v Speaker 1>GO i went to the studio and then he punched

1:34:58.720 --> 1:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>me in at that modul a AND i hit that.

1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Note and As i'm doing, It i'm, THINKING i don't

1:35:04.400 --> 1:35:06.280
<v Speaker 1>know what the Fuck i'm gonna do, live BECAUSE i

1:35:06.280 --> 1:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>don't know HOW i can do this say live every.

1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:14.679
<v Speaker 1>Night so SOMETIMES i cry becomes the number one song

1:35:15.240 --> 1:35:18.160
<v Speaker 1>And i'm, thinking, GODDAMN i have to Do i'm. TRAPPED

1:35:18.160 --> 1:35:23.960
<v Speaker 1>i painted myself in an audio. Corner and so the

1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:28.479
<v Speaker 1>first NIGHT i do, IT i nail the, note because

1:35:28.520 --> 1:35:30.800
<v Speaker 1>WHEN i was in the STUDIO i didn't nail it at.

1:35:30.800 --> 1:35:32.559
<v Speaker 1>FIRST i had to you, know as a, singer you

1:35:32.640 --> 1:35:35.320
<v Speaker 1>have to find there's places in your throat where you

1:35:35.360 --> 1:35:37.880
<v Speaker 1>can sing certain. Things And i'm, like it took me

1:35:37.960 --> 1:35:40.880
<v Speaker 1>a while to be, like, okay IF i go to

1:35:40.920 --> 1:35:44.200
<v Speaker 1>that part AND i can hit. It and SO i

1:35:44.280 --> 1:35:46.200
<v Speaker 1>hit it the first, night hit, it the second, night hit,

1:35:46.240 --> 1:35:48.960
<v Speaker 1>it third, night and THEN i, realized IF i do

1:35:49.200 --> 1:35:53.439
<v Speaker 1>that song four nights in a, row by the fifth,

1:35:53.520 --> 1:35:56.640
<v Speaker 1>night that layer of my falsetto is. Gone SO i

1:35:56.840 --> 1:36:00.559
<v Speaker 1>just have to BE i Think i've successfully fool people

1:36:00.600 --> 1:36:04.080
<v Speaker 1>into thinking THAT i can always hit that note because

1:36:04.120 --> 1:36:06.320
<v Speaker 1>LIVE i always, do BECAUSE i always make sure that

1:36:06.400 --> 1:36:09.400
<v Speaker 1>if there's a fourth, NIGHT i. Can't i'm not singing

1:36:09.520 --> 1:36:12.320
<v Speaker 1>nothing for three days to get that false settle to

1:36:12.360 --> 1:36:15.320
<v Speaker 1>back where it. Is so you just gotta work with

1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>what you.

1:36:15.680 --> 1:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>Got so what is your what is your care routine for?

1:36:20.280 --> 1:36:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Singing because, look haven't been at the tonight. Show, YEAH

1:36:25.880 --> 1:36:28.519
<v Speaker 2>i haven't seen the best and the. Worst, Well i'm

1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna tell you, something but maybe by the time they

1:36:31.040 --> 1:36:32.400
<v Speaker 2>get to the tonight. Show you can't.

1:36:32.439 --> 1:36:35.519
<v Speaker 1>Suck i've seen. Anything can't.

1:36:35.560 --> 1:36:38.639
<v Speaker 2>Say, dog it's twenty twenty, six anything gonna? Happen, no, no,

1:36:38.640 --> 1:36:41.519
<v Speaker 2>NO i was saying THAT i have all. Right so

1:36:41.640 --> 1:36:43.800
<v Speaker 2>on our, WARDROBE i, mean we haven't utilized it in

1:36:43.800 --> 1:36:46.760
<v Speaker 2>a long, time but there was a point where we

1:36:46.880 --> 1:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>actually had winter, suits summer, suits and then a small

1:36:55.040 --> 1:37:00.519
<v Speaker 2>part of our rewardrobe that says a refa what what

1:37:00.800 --> 1:37:04.040
<v Speaker 2>SO arefa has this thing where it's, like IF i

1:37:04.240 --> 1:37:08.240
<v Speaker 2>enter the, building, oh no air, conditioning that's, right that's,

1:37:08.360 --> 1:37:12.000
<v Speaker 2>right and she has enforcers to make sure like those

1:37:12.080 --> 1:37:15.000
<v Speaker 2>dudes and Then Steve harvey suits that you, know, like, yeah,

1:37:15.160 --> 1:37:18.360
<v Speaker 2>well But Steve harvey Suits, no she sensed like those

1:37:18.400 --> 1:37:21.920
<v Speaker 2>guys are they get. There she's been on the show three.

1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Times they will get there at two in the morning

1:37:25.960 --> 1:37:29.360
<v Speaker 2>and literally sit there really in our, catacombs in our

1:37:29.400 --> 1:37:32.920
<v Speaker 2>basement to make sure that not one. Person and you,

1:37:32.920 --> 1:37:35.360
<v Speaker 2>know Thirty rock is an old building in which it's

1:37:35.400 --> 1:37:38.479
<v Speaker 2>no individual air like can be, like let's turn an

1:37:38.560 --> 1:37:41.360
<v Speaker 2>the air off in the hallway and in the studio the, whole.

1:37:41.160 --> 1:37:42.280
<v Speaker 1>But behole four is.

1:37:42.320 --> 1:37:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Affected When Aretha franklin comes, in there's a mineral comes

1:37:45.920 --> 1:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>out and, says hey's gonna be Guess.

1:37:47.960 --> 1:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>So everybody morning mesh tank. Tops.

1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Dude people Thought jimmy was like on, coke like literally

1:37:54.439 --> 1:37:57.799
<v Speaker 2>the sweat on his face and and it's, no it's

1:37:58.000 --> 1:38:01.960
<v Speaker 2>but part of me was super cynical back, then AND

1:38:02.000 --> 1:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>i was, like is that? Psychosomatic like is it true?

1:38:06.000 --> 1:38:08.400
<v Speaker 2>That LIKE i wonder if it, Is but, No But

1:38:08.560 --> 1:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>i'm asking a, singer, like what is are you the

1:38:12.000 --> 1:38:15.800
<v Speaker 2>vocal rest person while on the? Road is it every three?

1:38:15.840 --> 1:38:17.720
<v Speaker 2>SHOWS i need a day? Off what if the day

1:38:17.760 --> 1:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>off falls on A saturday and the gig is? Lucrative,

1:38:21.400 --> 1:38:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah like so to answer your.

1:38:22.960 --> 1:38:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Question there is a direct correlation with over extending your

1:38:27.800 --> 1:38:31.320
<v Speaker 1>voice and just tearing away at certain layers of your

1:38:31.400 --> 1:38:36.799
<v Speaker 1>tone until you just got to. Heal maybe somebody who's

1:38:37.120 --> 1:38:40.439
<v Speaker 1>more disciplined than all the things you need to do

1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:43.240
<v Speaker 1>to be able to do five shows a day for

1:38:43.520 --> 1:38:46.559
<v Speaker 1>a week. STRAIGHT i can't do. It and it's not.

1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Psychosomatic it's definitely you can hear. It IF i, talk

1:38:50.160 --> 1:38:53.840
<v Speaker 1>you can hear. It so but for, me a big

1:38:53.880 --> 1:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>part of it is no. SUGAR i cut alcohol, OUT

1:38:58.080 --> 1:39:01.639
<v Speaker 1>i drink, WATER i try to eat. Foods my whole

1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:05.200
<v Speaker 1>perception of food is food is to nurture. Me and

1:39:05.280 --> 1:39:08.160
<v Speaker 1>if it's if it's got added a, yeah if it's got,

1:39:08.200 --> 1:39:10.880
<v Speaker 1>chemicals if it's got, that THEN i can't put it

1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:11.120
<v Speaker 1>in my.

1:39:11.160 --> 1:39:15.040
<v Speaker 2>Body no sugar during touring season or like a off.

1:39:15.080 --> 1:39:16.479
<v Speaker 2>Season are you out that?

1:39:16.479 --> 1:39:20.519
<v Speaker 1>Front IF i hang out with some, relatives you, know

1:39:20.720 --> 1:39:23.040
<v Speaker 1>AND i got that peach cobbler right, There i'm eating

1:39:23.080 --> 1:39:25.559
<v Speaker 1>that damn peach, cobbler all, right, Right but then as

1:39:25.560 --> 1:39:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a result of, that probably for the next four, Days

1:39:28.040 --> 1:39:31.320
<v Speaker 1>i'm NOT i definitely won't eat any dessert and there's no. Candy,

1:39:32.000 --> 1:39:34.680
<v Speaker 1>YEAH i will do things that you're not supposed to.

1:39:34.800 --> 1:39:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Do i'll even THOUGH i SAY i don't drink, anymore

1:39:38.439 --> 1:39:42.800
<v Speaker 1>like once a MONTH i might have a glass of wine. Alcohol, no.

1:39:55.000 --> 1:39:58.519
<v Speaker 2>All, Right so long, ago LIKE i knew the story

1:39:58.600 --> 1:40:01.519
<v Speaker 2>better and, BETTER i always wanted to ask you. This,

1:40:01.720 --> 1:40:06.080
<v Speaker 2>yeah SO i always Considered hurricane your acoustic soul album

1:40:06.320 --> 1:40:07.679
<v Speaker 2>because of the presence of the acoustic.

1:40:07.760 --> 1:40:11.479
<v Speaker 1>Guitar Dean. Parks whoa that Was Dean? Parks Was Dean?

1:40:11.520 --> 1:40:12.120
<v Speaker 2>Parks, Bro?

1:40:13.000 --> 1:40:13.880
<v Speaker 1>Dude that.

1:40:15.640 --> 1:40:21.519
<v Speaker 2>Explains, everything, okay because on WHAT i didn't. Know Dean

1:40:21.560 --> 1:40:24.360
<v Speaker 2>parks is ON i think eight songs on songs in

1:40:24.360 --> 1:40:28.000
<v Speaker 2>The key Of, Life and ONCE i heard the broken

1:40:28.080 --> 1:40:29.560
<v Speaker 2>down stems.

1:40:29.200 --> 1:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>Of, IT i was, like, WOW i never knew that

1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:35.200
<v Speaker 1>this song had acoustic guitar because it's layered so brilliantly

1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>right and so.

1:40:37.400 --> 1:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>INSTANTLY i was, like, wow the presence of acoustic guitar

1:40:41.280 --> 1:40:44.120
<v Speaker 2>on this, record like that replaced The Fender rhodes to

1:40:44.200 --> 1:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>give that album the personality Has BUT i wanted to

1:40:48.000 --> 1:40:51.120
<v Speaker 2>know was the direction of better and? Better just what

1:40:51.240 --> 1:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>wound up Being hurricane or is? That what was the

1:40:53.960 --> 1:40:56.519
<v Speaker 2>direction of better and? Better that Told wanner's, like, no

1:40:56.640 --> 1:40:57.439
<v Speaker 2>this isn't it all.

1:40:57.439 --> 1:41:01.559
<v Speaker 1>It was such you talk About, Hey Tom, Wally i'm

1:41:01.560 --> 1:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>about to talk about, you. Bro so that was one

1:41:06.479 --> 1:41:12.799
<v Speaker 1>of the frusht trading aspects of just being an artist

1:41:12.840 --> 1:41:16.320
<v Speaker 1>at a big machine Like Warner, brothers because you, KNOW

1:41:16.400 --> 1:41:20.720
<v Speaker 1>i come off the success OF A day in The,

1:41:20.760 --> 1:41:23.799
<v Speaker 1>life which did really spend my life And Georgie porgie

1:41:23.880 --> 1:41:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and all, that AND i go into the studio And

1:41:28.280 --> 1:41:30.639
<v Speaker 1>i'm working on a lot of the. SONGS i did

1:41:30.720 --> 1:41:36.120
<v Speaker 1>some of Them philly R i got your strings for

1:41:36.160 --> 1:41:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Your Pretty baby. Yea so one of the THINGS i

1:41:41.760 --> 1:41:45.720
<v Speaker 1>remember feeling so good about That better And better album

1:41:45.880 --> 1:41:48.519
<v Speaker 1>because there were songs on it LIKE I want to Be,

1:41:48.640 --> 1:41:54.639
<v Speaker 1>Loved Pretty baby And better And Better Mike. City SO

1:41:54.720 --> 1:41:57.160
<v Speaker 1>i turned in the record And Warner brothers was just

1:41:57.200 --> 1:41:59.720
<v Speaker 1>like now we we we, don't we don't like this.

1:41:59.760 --> 1:42:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Record AND i was, like, really.

1:42:05.960 --> 1:42:07.800
<v Speaker 2>SO i take if there wasn't a day to day

1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:10.519
<v Speaker 2>person that gives notes or, whatever, Like i'm not going

1:42:10.600 --> 1:42:12.479
<v Speaker 2>to treat the place now where it's, like here's my.

1:42:12.560 --> 1:42:15.439
<v Speaker 1>Record, YEAH i had a lot of autonomy at that

1:42:15.520 --> 1:42:19.200
<v Speaker 1>point to just go make your. Record SO i turn

1:42:19.280 --> 1:42:21.879
<v Speaker 1>in the record and you, know there's all that corporate.

1:42:21.920 --> 1:42:24.840
<v Speaker 1>Turntable there's always somebody else moving in and. Out and

1:42:25.280 --> 1:42:29.280
<v Speaker 1>this is When Tom wallly came. In, okay new New, Blood,

1:42:29.360 --> 1:42:33.639
<v Speaker 1>yeah New. Blood AND i remember feeling so good about

1:42:33.640 --> 1:42:36.880
<v Speaker 1>better and better and turning it in and they'll be, like, nah,

1:42:37.000 --> 1:42:41.320
<v Speaker 1>this this really isn't a good, record And i'm, like, Okay,

1:42:41.680 --> 1:42:44.200
<v Speaker 1>so and this is at a time, where you, know

1:42:44.479 --> 1:42:46.840
<v Speaker 1>y'all got to. Understand we didn't have laptops where you

1:42:46.920 --> 1:42:49.360
<v Speaker 1>could just like go and make an, adjustment make an,

1:42:49.400 --> 1:42:51.760
<v Speaker 1>adjustment or write a song and just throw it out.

1:42:51.760 --> 1:42:56.680
<v Speaker 1>There you needed a, marketing, promotion distribution. Machine and SO

1:42:57.280 --> 1:43:00.240
<v Speaker 1>i was, like, okay so does that MEAN i mean

1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:03.840
<v Speaker 1>two things are gonna. Happen can you let me out

1:43:03.880 --> 1:43:05.840
<v Speaker 1>of my deal so THAT i can go somewhere else

1:43:05.880 --> 1:43:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and take this? Record so? Nope, Okay so does that

1:43:10.240 --> 1:43:14.040
<v Speaker 1>MEAN i get a budget to go record some other

1:43:14.120 --> 1:43:16.639
<v Speaker 1>songs and add to this? Record MAYBE i can salvage

1:43:16.680 --> 1:43:20.320
<v Speaker 1>it and make a complete product that you feel good about. Releasing,

1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Nope so what? Happens? Wait is that why it took

1:43:24.240 --> 1:43:24.639
<v Speaker 1>some damn?

1:43:24.640 --> 1:43:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Off? Yeah, yeah BECAUSE i was gonna, say like you

1:43:28.479 --> 1:43:30.200
<v Speaker 2>damn there until what six seven?

1:43:30.280 --> 1:43:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Years, yeah it wasn't six or seven, years but it

1:43:33.760 --> 1:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>was quite a bit of. Time in two thousand and

1:43:36.160 --> 1:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>Five Hurricane, Yes, yeah so, yeah.

1:43:40.360 --> 1:43:42.599
<v Speaker 2>And day life came there was ninety. Nine you came

1:43:42.600 --> 1:43:43.200
<v Speaker 2>out to, say.

1:43:43.120 --> 1:43:46.240
<v Speaker 1>You're, Right you're, RIGHT i was. Saying SO i was basically.

1:43:46.280 --> 1:43:49.080
<v Speaker 1>STUCK i was. STUCK i had better and. Better they

1:43:49.080 --> 1:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't release. It they wouldn't let me out of my,

1:43:51.280 --> 1:43:55.360
<v Speaker 1>deal and SO i had to figure, out how DO

1:43:55.400 --> 1:43:58.360
<v Speaker 1>i get myself out of this? Mess how do you?

1:43:58.520 --> 1:44:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Survive you Don't but so basically WHAT i did WAS

1:44:03.400 --> 1:44:06.080
<v Speaker 1>i JUST i don't remember HOW i came up with this.

1:44:06.160 --> 1:44:08.960
<v Speaker 1>IDEA i was probably talking to my Cousin george, probably

1:44:09.800 --> 1:44:12.479
<v Speaker 1>BUT i was, like this is the, situation, like they

1:44:12.520 --> 1:44:14.559
<v Speaker 1>won't let me out of the, deal they won't release the.

1:44:14.640 --> 1:44:19.040
<v Speaker 1>Record and at the, Time i've always been a massive

1:44:19.040 --> 1:44:22.040
<v Speaker 1>fan Of David, foster like where he used to do

1:44:22.160 --> 1:44:24.479
<v Speaker 1>all all the stuff he did With chicago back in

1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:28.479
<v Speaker 1>the day and and Earth wind And fire And Sha

1:44:28.560 --> 1:44:31.800
<v Speaker 1>Ka khan and all that, stuff And David foster was

1:44:31.920 --> 1:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a resident producer At Warner brothers for

1:44:35.240 --> 1:44:37.280
<v Speaker 1>lack of a better. Term AND i, SAID i know

1:44:37.320 --> 1:44:39.759
<v Speaker 1>What i'm gonna Do i'm gonna bum Rush David foster

1:44:40.120 --> 1:44:43.559
<v Speaker 1>and be like this is what's going to. Happen, no,

1:44:43.560 --> 1:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>No i'm not that. COCKY i was, like Mister, foster

1:44:47.840 --> 1:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>you know.

1:44:51.600 --> 1:44:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Your.

1:44:51.840 --> 1:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>EXCELLENCE i. WAS i remember it really. WELL i knew

1:44:57.439 --> 1:44:59.920
<v Speaker 1>he was going to be at this, uh this this,

1:45:00.160 --> 1:45:03.280
<v Speaker 1>function this this, event And David foster is gonna be.

1:45:03.320 --> 1:45:06.360
<v Speaker 1>There i'm showing. Up SO i ran into him AND

1:45:06.439 --> 1:45:09.160
<v Speaker 1>i was, Like, david Mister, Foster I'm Eric, Beney oh,

1:45:09.280 --> 1:45:11.720
<v Speaker 1>BRO i know who you. Are AND i was, like,

1:45:11.760 --> 1:45:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Look tom's not going to let me out of my

1:45:16.200 --> 1:45:19.559
<v Speaker 1>deal and they won't let me do another, record but

1:45:19.760 --> 1:45:22.200
<v Speaker 1>Maybe and this, was like you, said this was after

1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:24.360
<v Speaker 1>years and me just being stuck not knowing what to,

1:45:24.400 --> 1:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>do AND i, said MAYBE i can come by your

1:45:28.240 --> 1:45:31.680
<v Speaker 1>place and maybe we can funk around with some. Stuff And,

1:45:31.840 --> 1:45:36.280
<v Speaker 1>David god bless, Him. David you Know David, Yes, yeah

1:45:36.360 --> 1:45:39.680
<v Speaker 1>he was just like, yeah, bro, shit come come by the.

1:45:39.680 --> 1:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>House he calls it the, host the, Host canadian. Ass

1:45:42.840 --> 1:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>his house was a Big Tony montana monstrosity on the

1:45:46.000 --> 1:45:49.160
<v Speaker 1>beach In, malibu AND i just remember pulling up to

1:45:49.200 --> 1:45:54.400
<v Speaker 1>this thing like, yeah, damn but he's still Just, David

1:45:54.479 --> 1:45:57.280
<v Speaker 1>yeah man come to the. Studio Humberto gotica was, There,

1:45:58.200 --> 1:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>yeah samn yeah, engineering and that's where we did and

1:46:03.040 --> 1:46:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the first song we wrote together Was. Hurricane. Yeah and

1:46:08.720 --> 1:46:10.920
<v Speaker 1>then we did the last time and Then, HEY i

1:46:10.960 --> 1:46:13.680
<v Speaker 1>got some cats that are gonna come over and and

1:46:13.360 --> 1:46:19.600
<v Speaker 1>be like the cats for the Album Dean, Park vinnie Cal.

1:46:19.120 --> 1:46:21.960
<v Speaker 2>It's, Like i'm like what BECAUSE i was gonna say

1:46:21.960 --> 1:46:25.200
<v Speaker 2>that the musicianship on that record AND i couldn't call.

1:46:25.240 --> 1:46:28.439
<v Speaker 1>IT i was, like something so different about. THIS i see.

1:46:28.479 --> 1:46:32.680
<v Speaker 1>That So david saved my. Whole LIKE i don't know.

1:46:33.040 --> 1:46:35.599
<v Speaker 1>WHAT i don't know WHAT i would have done Because Warner,

1:46:35.640 --> 1:46:38.639
<v Speaker 1>brothers it had been. Years they wouldn't let me out

1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:41.439
<v Speaker 1>of my. Deal they wouldn't let me fix the album

1:46:41.520 --> 1:46:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that they did not. Like oh and so WHAT i

1:46:43.320 --> 1:46:45.840
<v Speaker 1>ended up doing is like three or four of those

1:46:45.880 --> 1:46:49.760
<v Speaker 1>songs like Pretty, baby some of those songs that were

1:46:49.760 --> 1:46:52.599
<v Speaker 1>On better And, BETTER i would just sprinkle them on later.

1:46:52.720 --> 1:46:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Albums one or two of them was On, hurricane another

1:46:56.160 --> 1:46:59.680
<v Speaker 1>one was on uh the one that. Came SO i

1:46:59.720 --> 1:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>made sure some of those better And better songs got.

1:47:01.840 --> 1:47:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Out, Okay so as a, SINGER i would like to

1:47:05.160 --> 1:47:12.160
<v Speaker 2>think that your entire outfit has to be, vulnerability the

1:47:12.200 --> 1:47:19.400
<v Speaker 2>ability to show. Emotions, however you, KNOW i believe around

1:47:19.520 --> 1:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>ninety six ninety seven kind of hip hop's shadow takes

1:47:25.000 --> 1:47:30.559
<v Speaker 2>over the entirety of black culture, absolutely and the armor

1:47:31.400 --> 1:47:35.360
<v Speaker 2>of emotion sort of sets in which really doesn't allow

1:47:35.640 --> 1:47:40.479
<v Speaker 2>for it is less, cool, right like oh softness or

1:47:40.760 --> 1:47:43.720
<v Speaker 2>that's what THE r AND b? Whatever how hard is

1:47:43.760 --> 1:47:52.120
<v Speaker 2>it to navigate such a, sensitive beautiful art form inside

1:47:52.479 --> 1:48:00.599
<v Speaker 2>of this sort Of roman calcium of, Toxicity, yeah where

1:48:00.680 --> 1:48:05.479
<v Speaker 2>you stand out like a sore thumb for something that

1:48:05.600 --> 1:48:08.200
<v Speaker 2>if this were the, seventies you'd be one of a

1:48:08.240 --> 1:48:11.800
<v Speaker 2>million people doing. It, Yeah so, like how hard is

1:48:11.840 --> 1:48:16.360
<v Speaker 2>it now to navigate where just singing Is i'm not

1:48:16.360 --> 1:48:18.080
<v Speaker 2>even SAYING r AND b, yeah just.

1:48:18.240 --> 1:48:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Singing, yeah in twenty twenty, Six, man that is an

1:48:23.560 --> 1:48:25.800
<v Speaker 1>insightful dope, QUESTION i, Think and let me add to.

1:48:25.880 --> 1:48:30.639
<v Speaker 2>It, yeah especially where you are in your mind state right.

1:48:30.720 --> 1:48:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Now and you, KNOW i mean you were touching shit

1:48:33.920 --> 1:48:38.000
<v Speaker 2>with The jolliverton the song you different by You you

1:48:38.360 --> 1:48:41.480
<v Speaker 2>always had your little message dawns like sprinkle, throughout.

1:48:42.120 --> 1:48:43.840
<v Speaker 1>But yeah we got a jawn in this.

1:48:43.920 --> 1:48:47.760
<v Speaker 2>One, yes of Course i'm always From, Philly but, like

1:48:48.040 --> 1:48:52.679
<v Speaker 2>how do you navigate your art in twenty twenty six

1:48:53.720 --> 1:48:57.840
<v Speaker 2>in which you now have to represent every. Singer you

1:48:57.960 --> 1:49:00.120
<v Speaker 2>have to be the message, person you have to be

1:49:00.320 --> 1:49:04.519
<v Speaker 2>the motive. Person you damn near have to represent your whole.

1:49:04.960 --> 1:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Lineage i'm, Damn i'm. Looking i'm depressing you now now about.

1:49:09.880 --> 1:49:13.240
<v Speaker 1>THIS i didn't Know i'm really trying to take in

1:49:13.320 --> 1:49:17.719
<v Speaker 1>this question because as you're asking the, QUESTION i don't

1:49:17.800 --> 1:49:20.080
<v Speaker 1>think of it that way because IF i, DID i

1:49:20.120 --> 1:49:21.200
<v Speaker 1>would fuck my shit.

1:49:21.360 --> 1:49:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Up, WELL i see that's my my living in my

1:49:25.760 --> 1:49:29.519
<v Speaker 2>brain so long and less in my. HEART i always analyze,

1:49:29.520 --> 1:49:32.280
<v Speaker 2>first Like i'm therapy is like helped me to let

1:49:32.280 --> 1:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>it go of beautiful analyzing.

1:49:34.000 --> 1:49:36.519
<v Speaker 1>Shit, well it's. Hard first of, All god bless you

1:49:36.600 --> 1:49:39.040
<v Speaker 1>for doing therapy because a lot of people just don't

1:49:39.080 --> 1:49:41.040
<v Speaker 1>take the emotional health.

1:49:41.080 --> 1:49:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Seriously so you, know it's either that Or i'll wind

1:49:43.760 --> 1:49:45.599
<v Speaker 2>up in the OBITUARIES i put On.

1:49:45.680 --> 1:49:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Instagram SO i don't want to be that. PERSON i hear.

1:49:47.920 --> 1:49:50.960
<v Speaker 2>You but like as the, roots When i'm going on,

1:49:51.040 --> 1:49:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Stage i'm, like, yo like we got to be confunction

1:49:55.120 --> 1:49:57.840
<v Speaker 2>and The Wu tang. Clan you feel that and printing the.

1:49:57.920 --> 1:50:00.240
<v Speaker 2>Revolutions why people always ask like you.

1:50:00.200 --> 1:50:03.479
<v Speaker 1>Feel that pressure before you go on? Stage what black

1:50:03.520 --> 1:50:04.519
<v Speaker 1>bands are? Left like?

1:50:04.600 --> 1:50:08.479
<v Speaker 2>That that's, True there's that's. TRUE i feel like in

1:50:08.520 --> 1:50:10.920
<v Speaker 2>those two, hours feel LIKE i have to be a breakbe.

1:50:11.040 --> 1:50:12.960
<v Speaker 2>BAND i have to be the disco, BAND i have

1:50:13.040 --> 1:50:15.960
<v Speaker 2>to be the hip hop. Band we have to do

1:50:16.040 --> 1:50:19.000
<v Speaker 2>everything in two. Hours LIKE i feel Like i'm, yeah

1:50:19.320 --> 1:50:20.920
<v Speaker 2>do not ever stop going to?

1:50:21.000 --> 1:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Therapy oh? Never? BIG i got? Two, YEAH i get

1:50:25.200 --> 1:50:33.240
<v Speaker 1>because the way you phrase that questions like IF i

1:50:33.360 --> 1:50:36.400
<v Speaker 1>thought about WHAT i do like you just, DESCRIBED i

1:50:36.400 --> 1:50:40.439
<v Speaker 1>don't THINK i would have so much. ANXIETY i wouldn't

1:50:40.479 --> 1:50:43.160
<v Speaker 1>get on the. STATE i feel LIKE i planned that

1:50:43.200 --> 1:50:46.280
<v Speaker 1>seed in you now now that you, didn't because what?

1:50:46.280 --> 1:50:51.400
<v Speaker 1>What what cured that scene was the very First bene

1:50:51.439 --> 1:50:56.200
<v Speaker 1>album To true To myself because because The bene album

1:50:56.479 --> 1:51:00.720
<v Speaker 1>was me feeling LIKE i need to be part of

1:51:00.760 --> 1:51:05.240
<v Speaker 1>this collective decision on this. Art The true To myself

1:51:05.400 --> 1:51:09.240
<v Speaker 1>album cured what you were just asking, me Because true

1:51:09.280 --> 1:51:16.479
<v Speaker 1>To myself Was fuck what people want from me as an?

1:51:16.560 --> 1:51:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Artist Even fuck what's happening on the, Radio fuck what

1:51:21.479 --> 1:51:24.200
<v Speaker 1>the radio? State what the record label feels like they?

1:51:24.280 --> 1:51:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Want quincy talked about it all the. Time there's a

1:51:27.360 --> 1:51:31.320
<v Speaker 1>goosebump factor in the. Studio that's What i'm going. For

1:51:32.040 --> 1:51:36.120
<v Speaker 1>Whether i'm writing it or vocally i'm singing, it my

1:51:36.680 --> 1:51:40.599
<v Speaker 1>goosebump barometer is going to let me know it's done

1:51:41.240 --> 1:51:43.640
<v Speaker 1>or it feels. Good put it out, there see what.

1:51:43.760 --> 1:51:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Happens so it's like AND i feel like my major

1:51:48.800 --> 1:51:52.439
<v Speaker 1>influences are the greats that we've been talking about through

1:51:52.439 --> 1:51:57.160
<v Speaker 1>this whole. Conversation SO i feel, like, creatively somewhere in

1:51:57.280 --> 1:52:01.720
<v Speaker 1>my Subconscious i'm always stacking my against that WHICH i

1:52:01.720 --> 1:52:04.240
<v Speaker 1>feel LIKE i will never. Reach and we talked about

1:52:04.400 --> 1:52:08.120
<v Speaker 1>never reaching the unreachable, unreachable but always striving for. It

1:52:08.920 --> 1:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>SO i feel LIKE i got The Quincy, JONES i

1:52:12.000 --> 1:52:16.080
<v Speaker 1>got The Stilly, DAN i got The Donny, HATHAWAY i

1:52:16.080 --> 1:52:19.280
<v Speaker 1>got The Stevie, WONDER i Got Ella, fitzgerald AND i

1:52:19.320 --> 1:52:22.800
<v Speaker 1>know how they make me feel on a, visceral emotional.

1:52:23.360 --> 1:52:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Vibration i'm never going to reach, that BUT i know

1:52:26.880 --> 1:52:29.360
<v Speaker 1>that If i'm in the studio And i'm at least

1:52:30.240 --> 1:52:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Oh man feeling a little bit of that giddiness that

1:52:33.320 --> 1:52:37.240
<v Speaker 1>they give, Me i'm, like, HEY i did my. Best

1:52:37.280 --> 1:52:41.800
<v Speaker 1>and if they don't dig it shit fuck, them true to.

1:52:41.840 --> 1:52:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Yourself my last question to, You, yeah if you could

1:52:44.720 --> 1:52:47.439
<v Speaker 2>freeze time for a, day press the pause.

1:52:47.479 --> 1:52:50.679
<v Speaker 1>BUTTON WHOA i, Love, YO i. Love these are mere.

1:52:50.880 --> 1:52:52.960
<v Speaker 1>QUESTIONS i didn't even ask the, QUESTION i, know BUT

1:52:53.000 --> 1:52:56.240
<v Speaker 1>i love the way they. Start if you.

1:52:56.120 --> 1:52:59.360
<v Speaker 2>Can astro travel back to your sixteen year old.

1:52:59.160 --> 1:53:02.880
<v Speaker 1>Self nerdy? Motherfucker, yeah what would you?

1:53:02.920 --> 1:53:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Say what three things would you say to your sixteen

1:53:05.520 --> 1:53:06.560
<v Speaker 2>year old self.

1:53:07.840 --> 1:53:12.439
<v Speaker 1>Back in eighty? Four, yeah, okay one day you will have.

1:53:12.520 --> 1:53:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Sex it's. Coming oh let me tell. You but, yeah eighty,

1:53:20.080 --> 1:53:24.240
<v Speaker 1>FOUR i was very much what is a word for

1:53:24.320 --> 1:53:29.559
<v Speaker 1>the person who's the introvert but shields it with comedy and?

1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Goofiness but a human? Deflector, yeah but prefers to be.

1:53:34.840 --> 1:53:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Alone oh that's a human. Being, yeah, Okay.

1:53:37.320 --> 1:53:37.680
<v Speaker 2>WELL i was.

1:53:38.160 --> 1:53:42.519
<v Speaker 1>THAT i was that human. BEING i would probably tell

1:53:42.600 --> 1:53:45.519
<v Speaker 1>MYSELF i was at recently asked a question like, THIS

1:53:45.960 --> 1:53:49.320
<v Speaker 1>i would probably tell my sixteen year old, self who

1:53:49.439 --> 1:53:53.240
<v Speaker 1>had this incredible imagination and wanted to see the world

1:53:53.280 --> 1:53:56.040
<v Speaker 1>and wanted to do all these. Things and at, SIXTEEN

1:53:56.120 --> 1:53:58.439
<v Speaker 1>i didn't even know THAT i wanted to be a,

1:53:58.640 --> 1:54:00.920
<v Speaker 1>singer even THOUGH i was very much a singer and

1:54:00.960 --> 1:54:04.880
<v Speaker 1>a songwriter at the, TIME i would probably tell, myself

1:54:05.880 --> 1:54:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you might want to rethink going to. College but, see

1:54:10.200 --> 1:54:11.960
<v Speaker 1>see this is a tricky part of that kind of.

1:54:12.040 --> 1:54:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Question would you go back in time and save Baby? Hitler? No, right,

1:54:19.000 --> 1:54:23.160
<v Speaker 1>right you know What i'm. Saying, yeah it's like. Shit

1:54:23.400 --> 1:54:27.920
<v Speaker 1>then what lessons would you? Learn? YEAH i would probably

1:54:28.080 --> 1:54:33.480
<v Speaker 1>try to be as coded and muted in specifics and

1:54:33.680 --> 1:54:38.880
<v Speaker 1>just say your dreams will come, true and you will

1:54:38.920 --> 1:54:43.000
<v Speaker 1>affect the dreams coming true of so many. People but

1:54:43.920 --> 1:54:47.400
<v Speaker 1>keep working on the stuff you're good. At, Okay and

1:54:48.560 --> 1:54:51.640
<v Speaker 1>you know now that my parents are going like JUST

1:54:52.440 --> 1:54:55.160
<v Speaker 1>i told him every day, anyway but probably not so

1:54:55.240 --> 1:54:58.920
<v Speaker 1>much my dad because he was so emotionally, like work

1:54:58.920 --> 1:55:02.560
<v Speaker 1>a little harder on trying to pull a connection out

1:55:02.560 --> 1:55:05.880
<v Speaker 1>of your dad because he's so, stoic and you, know

1:55:05.920 --> 1:55:08.680
<v Speaker 1>because you're gonna really wish you had that one day

1:55:08.720 --> 1:55:09.080
<v Speaker 1>and just.

1:55:09.240 --> 1:55:12.720
<v Speaker 2>Well hopefully now you're doing for your. Kids what are

1:55:12.760 --> 1:55:14.280
<v Speaker 2>you trying that you had for?

1:55:14.360 --> 1:55:17.640
<v Speaker 1>You every? Day i'm trying to be. Better, yes that's

1:55:17.680 --> 1:55:19.040
<v Speaker 1>all we can ask. For that's, right.

1:55:19.160 --> 1:55:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Brother i've always loved your, voice but especially now in

1:55:24.640 --> 1:55:30.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, SIX i really appreciate and love your voice,

1:55:31.480 --> 1:55:32.960
<v Speaker 2>boom and we need more of that.

1:55:33.440 --> 1:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Boom thank you. MAN i appreciate you. Man thank. You

1:55:36.400 --> 1:55:39.680
<v Speaker 1>yeah on The Quest Love show and we'll see you

1:55:39.760 --> 1:55:40.720
<v Speaker 1>next go, around. Y'all thank.

1:55:40.760 --> 1:55:46.920
<v Speaker 2>You Quest Love show is hosted by me A Mere

1:55:47.040 --> 1:55:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Quest Love. Thompson the executive producers Are sean G Brian

1:55:51.480 --> 1:55:52.520
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