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Speaker 1: The Quest Love Show is a production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 2: Are we rolling all right, ladies and gentlemen, this is

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Speaker 2: the Quest Love Show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Questlove.

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Speaker 2: I will say that, in my opinion, our guest today

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Speaker 2: doesn't just make records.

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Speaker 1: He makes a mood. He makes a mood.

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Speaker 2: He, in my opinions, probably the last one of the

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Speaker 2: last purveyors of what we call grown folks soul. You know,

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Speaker 2: I know titles are horrible, but I'll get to that.

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Speaker 1: Hey, that's how we categorize things. There you go.

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Speaker 2: But I will say that his work is forever. And

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Speaker 2: I promise you the thing is is if one of

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Speaker 2: your compositions, like when I say your work is forever,

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Speaker 2: I statistically mean that, like maybe in the last twenty

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Speaker 2: years forty of any nuptials given, I promise you that

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Speaker 2: our guest today that is compositions.

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Speaker 1: Yes, living that.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's the other thing, Like, because of the cold

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Speaker 2: state of hip hop and the whole emotionalist armor that

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Speaker 2: we have on us, I'll say that our guests also

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Speaker 2: has a cannon that is rich and deep for heartbreak

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Speaker 2: songs when you need it. Whenever I'm asked to make

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Speaker 2: Valentine's Day playlist, there's two lists.

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Speaker 1: I have to make.

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Speaker 2: I have to make the regular love stuff, but my

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Speaker 2: most popular playlist are the Heartbreak Playlist, of which a

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Speaker 2: lot of your compositions live in that. A singer, singer,

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Speaker 2: a songwriter, songwriter. I will say, of course, proud father,

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Speaker 2: loving husband, and I believe I am catching our guests

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Speaker 2: and what promises to hopefully be his greatest phase, which

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Speaker 2: is my favorite of his, which is the zero Fox

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Speaker 2: given phase.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's have it.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, my brethren.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir. First of all, that introduction coming from you,

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Speaker 1: because look, we go back. I remember, thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: There were so many like nuggets way back then where

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Speaker 1: it was like, okay, Emir is going to be the

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Speaker 1: one to win an Oscar for filmmaking. Emir is going

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Speaker 1: to be the one who is just going to be

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Speaker 1: the owner of the knowledge music, the story of music history.

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Speaker 1: Like I remember, there is a very very famous Now

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Speaker 1: it's viral now everybody's seen it. But the first time

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Speaker 1: I saw it, we were up in the studio, like

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Speaker 1: we go back, we go back to Jesse Fat Nasty's

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Speaker 1: Richard Nichols, all all that right, And this was two

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Speaker 1: thousand it was before ninety oh yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: it was a ninety nine. I don't even know. I

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Speaker 1: guess it was YouTube, I guess, but was YouTube big

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Speaker 1: back then? Not yet YouTube was a two thousand and

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Speaker 1: six a meir going, no, y'all gotta see this, Come here,

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Speaker 1: come see this. Okay, you know what I'm talking.

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Speaker 2: I was YouTube. Yes, So my before YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Was a thing.

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Speaker 2: My primary job, even when people asked me about like

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Speaker 2: the Voodoo period, right, my primary job was to walk

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Speaker 2: around with two giant kippling double bags.

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Speaker 1: Okay, this explains so fucking much right now, which I

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Speaker 1: didn't know. I'll go ahead, go ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but i' mean basically, I went to Japan the

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Speaker 2: first time. The Roots went to Japan in ninety six.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, our translations Japanese people are just voracious for like

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Speaker 1: any information.

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Speaker 2: Which also means that American call is very disposable. You

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Speaker 2: could be on here and then like oh yesterday, yesterday's news.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the point is that, yeah, when I first went

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Speaker 1: I was like, ha ha, well do you know about

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Speaker 2: Like we love soul training I was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: a soul train, and she says, I have all the

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Speaker 2: episodes in my house. And I never left that woman's house. Literally,

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Speaker 2: Trade and two VCRs. I recorded every episode, and I

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Speaker 2: came back to America like manna from heaven, and my

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Speaker 1: It was a man bring the tapes. That explained because

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Speaker 1: I couldn't understand, Like it's probably difficult for this generation

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Speaker 1: So we're in the studio and you're bringing out tapes

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Speaker 1: he's like, you gotta see the time that James Brown

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Speaker 1: was performing and he spots Michael in the audience. That

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Speaker 1: is the first time I and everybody in the room.

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Speaker 1: Now you can see It's probably got a gazillion and

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Speaker 1: fifty views now on YouTube. And and you are not

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Speaker 1: only were we watching the video, but you are curating

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Speaker 2: When I tell you, every storyteller has the little boy

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Speaker 2: that cried Wolf story, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yah yah that no one believes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the amount of times and I when you know,

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Speaker 2: when you realize you have a kick me sign on

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Speaker 2: your back and you see people looking at each other

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Speaker 2: and you're like, Okay, obviously I'm not some's happening, something's

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Speaker 1: I'm not in on.

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Speaker 2: And I promise you between ninety six and ninety eight,

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Speaker 2: So Prince first told me this story. You know, it

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Speaker 2: was the point where like it was like a new

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Speaker 2: diplomatic happy prince, like, we're not used to this person.

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Speaker 2: Why is he being so nice to us? And I

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Speaker 2: asked him, like we med'angelo and him. We were at Tramps,

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Speaker 2: and he was speaking complete sentences like not the grasshopper,

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Speaker 1: The way he was being for the better part of

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Speaker 2: It was the most regularly he was and at the

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Speaker 2: me for asking, but I think I asked him why

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Speaker 2: are you so nice to us? Right, which he could

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Speaker 2: have he could have felt some way about it, like

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Speaker 1: And it was a real human conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not him trying to, you know, preach

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Speaker 2: And I said, what brought this turnaround that you're like

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Speaker 1: Kudos to you for just like asking that question.

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Speaker 2: I was shocked because I didn't know that he knew

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Speaker 2: complete sentences or jokes. I didn't know what his teeth

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Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, you've never seen prince like you know,

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Speaker 2: And so he tells his story, He's like, you know

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Speaker 1: Wait, set me up. Was this before you've seen the video?

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Speaker 2: I'd never this is the first time I'm hearing Wow, okay,

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Speaker 2: and what year was this? This is ninety six, right

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Speaker 2: after emancipation just came out, and you never seen it.

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Speaker 2: So he's at out in Long Island. What's the outdoor space?

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Speaker 2: It's now the Tommy Hill. Yeah, Jones Beach. He just

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Speaker 2: showed Jones Beach. And of course he does his whole

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Speaker 2: We're coming to a club and you know, have a

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Speaker 2: club with twelve people in it, a full club, do

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Speaker 2: a whole right, an entire concert. So he's like, all right,

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Speaker 2: get your instruments, we're gonna play. We play, and he

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Speaker 2: tells the story of Once Have how like you know,

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Speaker 2: James Brown.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear his version from his side of

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Speaker 1: the story because it's three different things go, eight different

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Speaker 2: So he says, you know, James Brown was such a

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Speaker 2: hero of mine and Michael Jackson one night went out

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Speaker 2: to humiliate and embarrass me in front of him, and.

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Speaker 1: He feels like that was the intention from jump.

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Speaker 2: So here's the deal. Though, if you read La Reads memoir,

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Speaker 2: I believe the opening chapter starts with the moment that

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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson flies him and Babyface to a Neverland ranch

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Speaker 2: to talk about production on what will eventually be Dangerous.

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Speaker 2: The first thing Michael does is wait, you gotta see

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Speaker 1: You gotta see the vance.

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Speaker 2: He shows you the tape. I've I've at least talked

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Speaker 2: to five people that says that that's Michael's opening. Shit, Like, yo,

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Speaker 2: you gotta see what I were happened to Prince one

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Speaker 1: So so it wasn't it was.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's take is that, you know, it's he's competitive, he's

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Speaker 2: let it be known and so but the way that

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Speaker 2: Prince played it out was just like, you know, he

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Speaker 2: called me to the stage and and next thing you know,

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Speaker 2: Michael's trying to humiliate me, and I just walked away

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Speaker 2: so disheveled. And I was like, I'll never do that too,

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Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, that's so.

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Speaker 2: Then three years later, when I'm in So once I

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Speaker 2: where can I find more of my history?

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Speaker 1: And then they they were like, oh you want more? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: They took me to like this alleyway where it literally

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Speaker 2: it's just like switching concert or Ray Parker Junior and

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Speaker 1: Every you were the guy, and like, how the fuck

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Speaker 1: where did you get this?

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Speaker 2: I so they they collected, and so I came back

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Speaker 2: to America with all these tapes. And when I see

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Speaker 2: and he left that part the awkwardness of it all,

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Speaker 2: and no one believed me for those three years. When

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Speaker 2: Prince and James Brown and stayed together whatever. And I

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Speaker 2: and just showed everybody, I felt.

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Speaker 1: Like I was a temporary honorary member of the roots

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Speaker 1: when you showed that to me, because as you were

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Speaker 1: showing it, you are doing a brilliant coming. And Terry,

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Speaker 1: because here's the thing, Yeah, Prince said, Yo, there was

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Speaker 1: a time he humiliated me. But every mistake. Michael couldn't

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Speaker 1: have told Prince to do the mistake, Like we're having

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Speaker 1: a commis Prince, you haven't seen it. Oh, they've seen it.

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this many times in the show.

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Speaker 1: Okay, they know. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean just all his instincts were wrong.

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Speaker 1: Every instinct that he did was It's like, Michael didn't

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Speaker 1: set you up for that, like you did that. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I also believe that Michael was

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Speaker 1: playing eight D chess. Well yeah, it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're the new guy that's apparently on my level,

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Speaker 1: then yeah, let me not prove it right now, right, yeah?

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Speaker 2: Right, So I want to ask you, Yeah, what is

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Speaker 2: the first musical memory that you had in life?

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Speaker 2: So I was pleasantly surprised to find out that you

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Speaker 2: So the deal is that from what I heard, Benen

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Speaker 1: Like mobile was the family that owned the slave ship.

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Speaker 2: Right, and their offspring were rich as hell, five five

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Speaker 2: yeah not like a moral thing like you shouldn't terrorize these,

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Speaker 2: Crazy like with just like nine years, ago a little.

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Speaker 2: Mean, Well number, one the WOMAN i was dating at

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Speaker 2: the time was, like so you know what this, means,

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Speaker 1: Mean he's like you would have been In. Haitian.

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Speaker 2: Yeah and the probably the ganda that we've had Against

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Speaker 1: Or patients for. Meditation, Dude it's, see you're about to educate.

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Speaker 2: Me bro everything that we would credit like granola hippie

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Speaker 2: No they were chained up by the neck and by the.

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Speaker 2: Always a fear of like our magic or don't let Them,

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Speaker 1: WHAT i hate?

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Speaker 2: That and mind, you this is just the great great

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Speaker 1: NUMBER i don't know their, NAMES i don't know where

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Speaker 2: Whatever but just finding out one quarter of my, lineage

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Speaker 1: Wish i'm rather, envious BECAUSE i am ignorant of so

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Speaker 2: Man see My Alex haley Bro.

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee, YEAH i mean it's not a Cosmopolitan, no it.

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Speaker 1: Ain't, no but it's not a country.

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Speaker 2: Milwaukee is there a? Culture there is there.

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Speaker 1: So my, youth youth and teen, years any musical influence

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438
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Speaker 1: like we had no allegiance to this side or this

439
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,439
Speaker 1: side or that, side so we were just like an.

440
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: Amalgamation and THEN i think that's why you get Like

441
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: hitsville And. Detroit that's where you get The Ohio. Players

442
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: that's where you Get Jimmy, Hendrix that's where you Get,

443
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 1: Prince that's where you Get Stevie. Wonder it's all That midwest.

444
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,239
Speaker 1: Energy that's, like how far is it From? Chicago, like

445
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: what's the Hour chicago? Jazz you know that is hour

446
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: and fifteen minutes you drive north and you're In milwaukee

447
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: From chicago hour and twenty. Minutes so What i'm really

448
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: dying to ask, you, yeah is what's A? Kringle do

449
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: you know what is? Kringle, yeah a. KRINGO i was just,

450
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: kidding but you know what a kringle? Is laughing over, There,

451
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: yeah kringle. Is nobody knows what the kringle. Is but

452
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 1: it's basically a really good. Dessert it's like a strudle

453
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: and it's in the shape of a big ass reef

454
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 1: and it's just it's.

455
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: That's what you guys are known. For beer and, kringle.

456
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: And, yeah beer kringle and getting drunk and passing out

457
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: in the. Street go and Summer. Fest summerfest is a

458
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: Huge i've done test because all the big artists Do Summerfest.

459
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 1: Milwaukee is that still Happen. Summerfest, absolutely, Yeah and you

460
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 1: Know milwaukee is is a great place on a great,

461
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: lake but it's it was an adulte place to be.

462
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,159
Speaker 1: From but you were going to ask a, question is?

463
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: Okay so WHAT i always wanted to? Know and you're

464
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: like the First milwaukee RESIDENT i can ask this, to

465
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: and actually the first Black milwaukee RESIDENT i can ask.

466
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: This you know what's, Happening you know so many directions

467
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: you can. Go but why AM i Thinking Jeffrey. Dahmer

468
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:01,680
Speaker 1: that's exactly What i'm gonna ask. You, Okay so, look

469
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: YOU i got. Story you came up In. Milwaukee, yes

470
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: during THE dama.

471
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: Years, yes and that's a case that like gutted the black.

472
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: Community, yes and kind of showed how little the city

473
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: was protecting.

474
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: Us. Yes so when you heard, him was he caught

475
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: already or was it always or was there a build?

476
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: Up like, wait ten people were. MISSING i have so

477
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,040
Speaker 1: much to say About Jeffrey. Dahmer hit. Me so the

478
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: Whole Jeffrey dahmer thing was like a dissertation on so

479
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: much that is wrong a With. MILWAUKEE i should, no, no, no, no, no, No,

480
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: MILWAUKEE i love you so. Much that is wrong with

481
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: the criminal investigation system at the, time as it relates to,

482
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: race as it relates to certain people get a pass

483
00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: no matter what the evidence looks, like all, right go

484
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: home and sleep it. Off you, know there were times

485
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 1: there were people who would escape or were smelling things

486
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: from the apartment or of the dec composition about, it

487
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: and we're, like, yo y'all need to check this. Out

488
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: he's just a Weird, oh you, know don't worry about.

489
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 1: Nagae so my, Cousin, michael what's?

490
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 2: Up? Ralph?

491
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: Uh my cousin was telling me one time he was

492
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: at some spot and as soon As Jeffrey dahmer got,

493
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: caught my cousin was, like that's that nigga that tried

494
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: To he bought me a drink and was, like, yo,

495
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: yo let's hang out, Right And i'm, like, dude you

496
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: weren't The my cousin was the kind of dude who

497
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: when we were ten years, old he already knew about

498
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: the birds and the, bees and he already knew like

499
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: a lot of. Elements, yeah advance of how life, works

500
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: and this is the way the system. WORKS i was, like,

501
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: dude if you weren't who you, are you might have been, like,

502
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: YEAH i have a, drink, bro what's. Up but he was, like,

503
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: Nah i'm catching vibes from your crazy, ass and so

504
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: that came. Out there was another kid THAT i went

505
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,880
Speaker 1: to school with WHO i didn't really know but just knew,

506
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: him just kind of like at the school who was

507
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: one of the. Victims my father was a detective for

508
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: The city Of. Milwaukee he was not assigned to The domer,

509
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: case but his partner was assigned to The dohmer. Case

510
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: so he would tell. Us Arthur jones would tell us

511
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: we went into the, apartment and he was, like the

512
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: things THAT i saw WHEN i opened up the freezer

513
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: AND i opened up the. Refrigerator he was, Like i'm

514
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 1: not and it was things LIKE i never really heard,

515
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: about or maybe you, did or people who know The

516
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: Jeffrey dahmer, lore maybe it came. Out but my father's

517
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: partner was, like we opened up the refrigerator and there

518
00:28:54,400 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: were slices of human flesh like hamburg patties with wax,

519
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: paper like neatly organized like this that and the, other

520
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: LIKE i can eat this today like a, patty And

521
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 1: i'll Go there's other THINGS i can, say BUT i.

522
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: Won't but it was just, like oh my, god and

523
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: yeah That dahmer. Thing in defense Of, Milwaukee i'd like

524
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: to say this because a lot of People Jeffrey dahmer

525
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 1: is not From. Milwaukee the motherfucker got caught In. Milwaukee

526
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: where was he? FROM i think he's like From ohio

527
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: or some. Shit, yo that's interesting that you wanted to

528
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: go to The, dahmer isn't?

529
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: It Where how this show just turned into the Club?

530
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: SHADE i, know, Right oh my. God Arthur jones would be,

531
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know IF i should tell y'all, this and,

532
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 1: ME i was, like at this, time what WAS i

533
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: when all this shit went? Down?

534
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: WAS i was, like even when he was, caught did

535
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: you feel safe at? All, well, like we went there

536
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 2: in ninety five for the first, time AND i remember

537
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: it was laundry day like this back when.

538
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: You, know like your new artist or.

539
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: Whatever you, yeah, yeah, yeah every other week when you

540
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 2: make a laundry. Run AND i remember one you guys

541
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 2: have an amazing laundry met that like it was someone

542
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: had the idea to, like, hey let's have an. Arcade

543
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: it was like part seven to eleven part Laundry.

544
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 1: Like kyle students obviously hung out. There. Milwaukee we take

545
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: pride in you know home mack, abilities yeah.

546
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: And so, yeah and just watching the people AND i was,

547
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: like this town is not over the tragedy that it

548
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 2: just went.

549
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: WELL i think after it, happened of, course there's going

550
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: to be like this, visceral, like oh my, god the

551
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: stigma that's going to be on this city is going

552
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: to last for a long. Time BUT i don't think

553
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: a True. Milwaukee and at that point felt unsafe because

554
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: he was such an, anomaly like that's Not. Milwaukee you

555
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: got weird motherfuckers In, milwaukee but but that's a whole

556
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: another level of, satanic like far outside the reaches of my,

557
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 1: imagination like like crimes against, humanity that that's Not. Milwaukee? Gotcha?

558
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah all, right now subject. Change what were you like in?

559
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: School? WELL i brought my, patties patties.

560
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: Discriminating i'm Never it'll be two hours And i'm still

561
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: thinking about how an intensive he was in terms of, Packing, like,

562
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 2: jeez in, school what kind of student were?

563
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: YOU i will alwould SAY i was an average to good.

564
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: STUDENT i was very. NERDY i like things like science.

565
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Fiction what was your best? Object, like what was your

566
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: best creative writing and. Art, Okay, yeah you know it's

567
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: Like i've always had like an ability, for like creatively

568
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: ANYTHING i tried to. Do i've always just had like

569
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 1: this natural ability for whether it was, singing whether it

570
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: was writing, songs whether it was. PAINTING i won This

571
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: Art award for, painting or whether it was like writing a.

572
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: Story SO i was that, kid you, KNOW i just

573
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: grew up like reading Like Isaac asimov And Ray bradberry

574
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: And Rod serling was a beast with them stories, Man

575
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: Rod serling short stories and, yeah and it was like

576
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: the music thing was a little interesting for me BECAUSE i, thought,

577
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: LIKE i grew up in this. FAMILY i don't know

578
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: if you're, LIKE i don't know what your whole family thing, was.

579
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: BUT i was going to, say what was the domestic?

580
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: Situation, yeah so in my, family everybody, sings everybody plays an, instrument.

581
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: Sings and it was just So i'm the baby AND

582
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: i have three full, SISTERS i have a half sister

583
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: and my, brother AND i just grew up in this

584
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: family where six of, you well it was five of

585
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: us growing, up you, know, yes a, lot but it

586
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: was a situation where we would just break out into

587
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: harmony all the. Time and so from a very young,

588
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: AGE i automatically had an ear for IF i heard

589
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: my sisters and my brother singing the alto on the

590
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: tenor and the THING i got really good. At, Okay

591
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: i'll find my. Note and then my older, sister IF

592
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: i made a, mistake she'd be, like, no you want

593
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: to come up to this on that part of the.

594
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: Storm SO i was like trained that. Way so just

595
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: bring out in the. Song oh, yeah all the, time

596
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: all the. Time we still. Do and so and the

597
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: church singing church came up very church Every Sunday sunday.

598
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: School and then So i'm the baby in this. Environment

599
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: you're gonna love this where like, Okay so my dad

600
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: had this extensive classical music, collection AND i used to LOVE.

601
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: WC i used to Love, Tchaikovsky. Strauss so my little

602
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: young ass would just be lost in. This and then

603
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: my sisters would had the full gamut OF r AND.

604
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: B like one sister would be d into The, funkadelic

605
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: the other sister would be The luther Van, druss and

606
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: then the other sister would be more like THE. Roberta,

607
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: Fleck Donnie hathaway Into jackson five And James, brown and

608
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: then my brother was like the jazz fusion cat so

609
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: it would be like The Mahavish New, Orchestra You inherit All,

610
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 1: Day David Saint chess And tone And returned To forever

611
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: And Stanley clark And Billy cobham and So i'm just

612
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: this baby growing up and all of this. Stuff and

613
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: so what.

614
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: Is the first album that you purchased with your own?

615
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: Money?

616
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: Honest that, yeah and trust, me everyone wants to give

617
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: them Romantic.

618
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: Oh, Yes so the first album my brother Was sketches

619
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: of Spur. R i know what was?

620
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: It for?

621
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: Real Bill cosby comedy? Album and then which one the

622
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 1: one where he talked about trying to flush his Brother

623
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: russell down the, Toilet.

624
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: Russell my brother WHOM i slept, With, Yes and then

625
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: it might have Been Bill cobb's be Or Funky.

626
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: Favorites Funky, favorites which was just an album of stupid

627
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: songs of like he did that, mash he did The

628
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: moms no novelty stupid silly. Songs AND i THINK i

629
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: was probably eight years old WHEN i with my own,

630
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 1: MONEY i either bought don't remember which one was, First

631
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: Bill cosby Or Funky. Favorites, okay what else was On Funky?

632
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: Favorites jole a brown dud did it? Le And Purple

633
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: people leader was a one one old Fine Purple People.

634
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: Right SO i WAS i was a goofy goofy. Nerd

635
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: you were? Human, yes?

636
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: Yes who was the figurehead not related to, you like

637
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 2: teacher or somebody that like actually saw you for who you?

638
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: Were that was like a hero to you growing? UP i,

639
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: mean big cliche, ish but, Dad, okay you know because my,

640
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 1: dad my dad was this culture dude who loved you,

641
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: know classical music and art and all. That but he,

642
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: was you, know because of mobile man who had to,

643
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: make you, know make ends meet for his, family got

644
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,479
Speaker 1: a job as a. Cop you, know he had to just.

645
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: Say not allow a lot of his dreams to come to,

646
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 2: FRUITION i think for you, know.

647
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: So hopefully his kids and. Lineage. Yeah So i've always

648
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 1: looked up to my dad for that because he was

649
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: the constant and on my, ass not the most emotional

650
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: present dude as much most of. Us that's how we grew,

651
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: up but but held us up to a certain. Standard

652
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: and THEN i would have to, say two music teachers

653
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: from my past that saw something in me and were

654
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: just on, me like on me in a, way, Like, okay,

655
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: here here's a record you need to listen. TO i

656
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: just want you to listen to the production on, this

657
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: and here's what it. Was it was Mister simeuel At

658
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: Milwaukee TECH i think it's Called Bradley tech now And

659
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: Ms Carrol, haywood who was the choir. Director you. Know

660
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: but BECAUSE i, REMEMBER i remember being a, kid like

661
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: being five or six years, old not really realizing THAT

662
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: i have musical talent Until i'm sitting next to kids

663
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: try to sing a song And i'm, like what the?

664
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: Fuck like, right you, know you, know Camp Town ladies

665
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: done that, song, dude Camp Down ladies sing a. Song,

666
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: Dude dude like no? Inflection, No i'm, like what how

667
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: come y'all niggas don't like what's going? On and SO

668
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: i think it was a realization, that especially WHEN i

669
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: thought about the fact of how my family we just

670
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: broke down harmonies like, THAT i was, like, oh maybe

671
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: we're a little different than everybody. Else all we needed

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00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: was A Joe jackson. Anyway oh, no, no.

673
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 2: He might gain, them but for, it, right, Right so

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00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: what WAS i was going to, say what was your

675
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 2: first job? Ever but what have you ever been fired

676
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: from a.

677
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: Job i've never been fired for my.

678
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 2: Job but what's a notable job you, had like pre pre.

679
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: Are, YEAH i worked at McDonald's WHEN i was, sixteen Downtown.

680
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Milwaukee it was too hectic for, me SO i was,

681
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: LIKE i need something, easier SO i went To Taco.

682
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 2: Bell he started off As calvin and then you, yeah

683
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 2: like why Was Taco bell?

684
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: Easier first of, all it was the. Location it was

685
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: like Downtown milwaukee McDonald's that it was just too much

686
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: madness back. There it's like fries and. Burgers and now

687
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: you got a. Precedent and Then Taco. BELL i REMEMBER

688
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: i worked at The Taco bell And fondelac like way

689
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: out from, downtown and it was just you, know easier,

690
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: living not, living but slower. Pace so you, Could, hi

691
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: welcome To Taco. Bell would you like to try our

692
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: new taco? Salad a little bit, more a little bit more.

693
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 2: Relaxed, okay, okay you know in your childhood? Bedroom, yes

694
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 2: what is the main poster that adorns your?

695
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: Wall? Dude you got some? Questions, well we never you

696
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: know what it is like you asked Them that's why

697
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: The oscar winning documentary to doctor be asking these. Questions.

698
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: DUDE i mean there's this whole slew media that don't

699
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: treat artists like human, beings AND i think this kind

700
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: of thing WHERE i want to know the human side of.

701
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: You so immediately when YOU i love when you ask these,

702
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: questions because immediately BEFORE i even, answer it as a

703
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: visual that pops in my. Head and there are three,

704
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: posters okay that were in my. Room one was like

705
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: a black light poster of this fantasy woman with big

706
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: titties and.

707
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 2: Just like the, velvet, like, YEAH i had a, COUSIN

708
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 2: i had an astrological, one AND i would not.

709
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: ALLOWED i wasn't into the. ASTROLOGICAL i was into the

710
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: big Titties. Kurk and THEN i had A commodore's poster

711
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: from the album whether The sky you know what, Wait

712
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: i'm gonna.

713
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: So i've become really good phone friends With chuck d,

714
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: really AND i didn't realize how like immaculate or how

715
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: much of an artist he was a visual artist he,

716
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: was and he sent me some artwork when he was

717
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 2: fourteen or, fifteen real of him the inside poster of

718
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy seven album where Wherever Thomas claire's point

719
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 2: at the.

720
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: Sky that was? It you, know it's even weirder.

721
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: That, okay WHEN i was a, KID i would go

722
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: through phases in WHICH i can't.

723
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: Believe i'm telling the.

724
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: STORY i would go through. Phases whenever someone took a

725
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: photo of, me you wouldn't know what my favorite album

726
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: cover or.

727
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: Was right to the.

728
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: Point but here's the, thing, THOUGH i decided That Mylon,

729
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 2: williams the keyboard, player had the best pose where it's

730
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 2: like he's like on one, leg, yes, yes stop. One

731
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 2: BUT i did it at a family Reunion North, carolina

732
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 2: AND i fell over into the street and a car was,

733
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: coming and you, know like when black families are so

734
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 2: disheveled and, afraid where you get in trouble even for,

735
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 2: that like why would you do? This AND i remember

736
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: getting that from my. Dad but, yeah there was a.

737
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 1: Period where the post that wasn't.

738
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 2: PHRASES i Was Chris jasper of The Aisley brothers once

739
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: ALWAYS i, mean why are you always looking at two

740
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: o'clock up? There Marlon jackson would have like right leg

741
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 2: behind his left leg on The Get It together, Album

742
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,800
Speaker 2: LIKE i would go through phases WHERE i would only

743
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: do the pose of my favorite album of that, moment and,

744
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:58,840
Speaker 2: yeah that commodore.

745
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: Is what's weird IS i almost wore the.

746
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: Sweater it's laundry day in my, crib SO i was,

747
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: LIKE i put a new shirt, on BUT i almost

748
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 2: wore that. Post what was the third one every black

749
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: household in the seventies had that COMMED i was weird.

750
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: Because there was Another this is an iconic poster. Too,

751
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: now there was a poster of a baby who had

752
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: a whole bowl of spaghetti dumped on his head with

753
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: spaghetti That, yeah for whatever, reason that's how they wound

754
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: it made. Me it was fucking. Hilarious it was like

755
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 1: a baby was with a stupid looking and he's got

756
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: like spaghetti dripping AND i think the quote was Like,

757
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 1: GOD i forgot what the quote, Was, yeah like. Face

758
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: maybe it was A murphy's law or. SOMETHING i don't

759
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: know whatever it, is but. HILARIOUS i remember that. Poster

760
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 1: what was the first concert you ever Attended George duke

761
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 1: And Stanley? Clark? Yeah where it was In? Milwaukee The

762
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 1: Public Art, center the pac In. Milwaukee, yeah so there's

763
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: like this sweet baby.

764
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 2: Period, yeah, yeah it's weird that two of the most,

765
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: progressive intricate, Musicians oh My god became made such a

766
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: straight Straight.

767
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: But the beauty about that project and that song in

768
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: particular about music is if you have the most simplest

769
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,479
Speaker 1: melody and you're like a you or one of those

770
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: real musical musical, musicians you can still have. Fun there

771
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: was so much had the sitar, going they had the harmonies,

772
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: going so you can made an impression on. You absolutely

773
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: think partly because you, know LIKE i told you about

774
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: the kind of music like LIKE i just kind of

775
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: grew up listening. TO i love the fact That Stanley

776
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: clark And George duke come together and make something that

777
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: could touch top forty radio when their musical well was so,

778
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: deep and we're going to make this simple, melody Like

779
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: George duke was brilliant at when not saying about it's.

780
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: Sounds it, sounds it sound right and then, yeah so

781
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,919
Speaker 1: it's like he could take that, simple simple. Melody it's

782
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 1: like songwriting one on. One, yeah you can have your.

783
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 1: Fun you can have the harmonies in the strings into

784
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: this and then doing, that but you got to grab

785
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: them with that, simple simple lullaby. Melody that anybody can sing.

786
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: Well some of the best songwriters are people that have

787
00:44:56,160 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: the ability to have mental level of musical, intelligence but

788
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: also have the smarts to know that sometimes you have

789
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: to cut a. STEAK i want to show you, Yes.

790
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: So how the fuck do you explain something Like Steely

791
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: dan where in the first eight bars of the song

792
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 1: there's like were the same person twelve different substitutions and

793
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: then you modulated brought it back. Down you don't know

794
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: what the Fuck Donald fagan is talking about in the,

795
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: lyrics but somehow it's a number one. Pops how the

796
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 1: fuck did they do?

797
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: That i'm gonna tell you, something all, Right SO i

798
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: just Had thundercat on the.

799
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: Show used to be my bass.

800
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: Player, yo he's played for everyone secretly on the.

801
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 1: LOW i love that. Dude that sounds about. Right.

802
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: Yeah he was talking about like A Steely dan, song

803
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: AND i just happened to do The i'm, Sorry, DONALD

804
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: i did the yack rock.

805
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: DOC i hate, YEAH i, MEAN i hate the, term

806
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: BUT i get it, WELL i love. IT i MEAN

807
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: i Love. Neo so, right, anyway, anyway don't get us

808
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: started on.

809
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: That BUT i realized THAT i really have not made

810
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,720
Speaker 2: much space For Steely dan in my, life probably since

811
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: the reason, why you, know people are, like, oh you're

812
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: so knowledgeable with music and, everything don't get it.

813
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 1: Twisted IF i was allowed to have.

814
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: Control of the family stereo in the family, Car i'd

815
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: be playing WHAT i want to listen.

816
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: To which which would have.

817
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,120
Speaker 2: BEEN i, mean you, Know i'm a kid of the.

818
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: MOMENT i wanted to Hear bootzilla wind Me up and.

819
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,879
Speaker 2: Yeah but my dad was like my father was the

820
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: just like your.

821
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: Family he was the Listen he listened to theyacht rock

822
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: of his.

823
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: Day he Liked, mathis he Liked, straya saying he likes

824
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: singers because he was a.

825
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: Crooner my dad sounded Like Nat King. Cole.

826
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 2: Really my, mom, however if she were born WHEN i was,

827
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 2: born she would have been, ahead like she dug in

828
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: the crates and oh this is a fun look At i'm,

829
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: Cover i'm gonna.

830
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: Get, this and it's like bitches brew or.

831
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: Whatever so and then my, sister who's slightly, older in

832
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 2: order to fit in with her girlfriends in, school she's

833
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: bringing home the rock. Stuff she's bringing On bowie and

834
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: all that. Stuff and, SO i mean there was a

835
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: period in WHICH i, Know dad played Like gaucho And, asia,

836
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: right but he really.

837
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: Didn't he controlled the stereo and he really like he

838
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: would go Through maybe he went through it.

839
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 2: Twice maybe it was just too intricate for him and

840
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: he couldn't find something to sing along.

841
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 1: Too he likes stuff he could sing along. To Stilly

842
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: dan was not that.

843
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: Right SO i Just i've realized, that you, know LIKE

844
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: i Love Steely. Dan but so right NOW i just

845
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: started my phase Of i'm On cambaya thrill now Where

846
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 2: i'm like listening to A Steely dan record for at

847
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: least two hours a.

848
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: Day have you gotten into the First Donald fagan solo.

849
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: Album, Dude nightfly Is now that's the, Thing, like that's

850
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: one of my top five FAVORITE i g, Y oh My,

851
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: god Ig y is probably, Yeh Maxine, igy Green Flower,

852
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: Street New, Frontier oh The New yeah. Bro so, Yeah

853
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: LIKE i will, say IF i could compile five songs that,

854
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 2: like no matter how depressing and all.

855
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: RIGHT i tested this.

856
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: During the night after election, results Oh, jesus, yeah WHERE

857
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: i stopped, drinking BUT i was going to start again that. Night,

858
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: Dude SO i, SAID i want to see how powerful this,

859
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 2: is AND i PLAYED i g, y.

860
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great, barometer.

861
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 2: AND i was, like, WOW i still feel good right. Now,

862
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 2: yeah but songs only three minutes and forty.

863
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: Seconds, YEAH i was back to.

864
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 2: Back to ground. Zero but, YEAH i gotta get.

865
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: More so funny that particular song talking about an id

866
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 1: allies utopian, society it's, like get me out of. HERE

867
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: i like.

868
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: That, no it's it's like it's the next Tow Herb,

869
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: alberts like if someone were to ask.

870
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: Me a gun in my, head like brass and all.

871
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 2: That, well my Favorite Herb albert. Song there's a song

872
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: Called root one on, one which it's the Happiest, no,

873
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: no that's the dating, Game. Okay root one on one is, like,

874
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: yeah when this is the maybe the second Time i'm

875
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: At dyla's, script oh, man and Comes boten comes downstairs and, says,

876
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 2: YO i want to do something to, This and he

877
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: Hands dyla the record and he Puts root one on

878
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 2: one on and they're playing and it's a happy. Song

879
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: And i'm looking at them, like are y'all trolling? Me,

880
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: like BECAUSE i was in the mind state of, oh

881
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: if it's hip, hop if it's gotta be some, gritty

882
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 2: raw breakbeat, Shit.

883
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,280
Speaker 1: But YOU i would think you would have, been because

884
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: the real dopest hip hop niggas were like deep in.

885
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 2: That this is What dyla taught. Me, SEE i grew

886
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 2: up in a household with three thousand, records and even

887
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 2: to this, DAY i have two hundred thousand records of

888
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: Maybe i've cruised through seven percent of.

889
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: That like how much music are we going to consume

890
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: in our? Lifetime?

891
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 2: RIGHT i can also ask politicians how much money are

892
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: you going to spend in your?

893
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 1: Life how much is? Enough definitely not a? Trillion? Right

894
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: and so the whole thing is that.

895
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 2: ONCE i, realized, oh these guys are, serious like AND

896
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: i looked At dyla like we are you gonna make

897
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: some shit out of?

898
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 1: This and he was, like oh hell.

899
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: YEAH i never got to hear what he made of.

900
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: It but there's been a million times where LIKE i

901
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 2: will get a Giant mathis record and be, like all,

902
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 2: right take This Rick james, record This Johnny mathis, record

903
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 2: show me what you, got and he. Would the THING

904
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: i learned From dylla the most is no song goes

905
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: un listened to or no stone, Unturned and so BUT

906
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: i will, say like root one on one is my favorite,

907
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: song and in second place IS i g y it's

908
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: something about a. Shuffle black people need a shuffle, Song

909
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: LIKE i think the last good shuffle song we've really truly.

910
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 2: HAD i, mean, okay there's the whole cash but, no

911
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 2: But i'm just saying like The Way You Make Me.

912
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Feel was probably the. Last we need a shuffle. Song

913
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: give me another one of your favorite. SHOVELS i mean

914
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 1: Doing it To death By James, brown go on a.

915
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: Half but.

916
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: In order for us to break, shuffle we have.

917
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: To reacclimate ourselves again with, jazz and it's. Needed where

918
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: music is, NOW i don't know where they can.

919
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: Make it back and make it back to that because

920
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:07,439
Speaker 1: it's so diluted down to let's just take this little,

921
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 1: part repeat it and repeat. It let's do no, bridges no,

922
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: changes no. Matter modulation is not, yeah so, Right but.

923
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 2: You, know in order for that to, happen we have

924
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: to work on our emotional state the music now we.

925
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: Feel see, yo let's he's not a, mirror thank you?

926
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 1: Man all?

927
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: Right when you were, fifteen, yeah what is it that

928
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 2: you wanted to be when you were an?

929
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: Adult like when you're a, kid what did you think

930
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 1: your calling was in. LIFE i THOUGHT i was going

931
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: to be a fashion. Designer, word, YEAH i THOUGHT i

932
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: was going to be a fashion designer because clothes made.

933
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: Me music made me, happy and clothes made me, happy

934
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: and putting the right outfits together made me. Happy but

935
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: because of my, FAMILY i knew that we were. Special

936
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: but at the same, time it was just such A

937
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: it was like a, fish, Like, okay it's. Water it's big,

938
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: deal IT'S i can swim in. Water so specialness the

939
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: fact that you guys were just. TOGETHER i probably felt

940
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: that it was special BECAUSE i was with, them and

941
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: then we all harmonized, together and SO i don't THINK

942
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: i really really. CONSIDERED i think my passion for music

943
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: deepened WHEN i realized right around that age that IF i,

944
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: sang girls treated me a certain. Way, Okay BUT i

945
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:40,880
Speaker 1: still didn't think of it as a career until like

946
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,759
Speaker 1: my dad was just LIKE i remember telling my, dad

947
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: like right at high, SCHOOL i was, Like, DAD i

948
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: want to go to this fashion. Institute and my dad

949
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: being who he, was and he had aspirations of his

950
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: children being doctors and lawyers and getting their PhDs and. Success,

951
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:02,439
Speaker 1: yes it says my dad was like Black man going into.

952
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: Fashion he was looking at it very from his lenses

953
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: of going through nineteen forties fifth the. SIXTIES i, know,

954
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,319
Speaker 1: Yeah and SO i listened to. Dad and THEN i

955
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: went to college for a couple of, years not really

956
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 1: knowing why and feeling LIKE i was, waiting did you absolutely?

957
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: Nothing wasting? Money where'd you go to? College university Of, Milwaukee, Wisconsin?

958
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: Okay AND i dropped out because after a year and

959
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:32,919
Speaker 1: a half to two, YEARS i was, LIKE i don't

960
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 1: know What i'm doing. HERE i can't latch onto anything

961
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: THAT i see is my. Future and WHEN i dropped

962
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: out of, college my Cousin george let me know that

963
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: there was a band In milwaukee that needed a lead

964
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: singer and he was already playing, guitar and my Sister

965
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 1: lisa sang and she was just kind of doing her

966
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: thing in life at that time, Too and so my

967
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: sister AND i joined this band that was already kind

968
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: of a corporation onto it doing like gigs and weddings

969
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:07,799
Speaker 1: and bars In, Illinois wisconsin And, minnesota just traveling around doing.

970
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 1: Stuff and so that started the Whole Like i'm nineteen years, old.

971
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: So you're in, college and at no point before it been,

972
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,719
Speaker 2: like so you just coincidentally just happened to.

973
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: Carry this voice.

974
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: Around, Yeah and it was just like a like almost a,

975
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: footnote like SAID i sent to you a little like

976
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 2: my cousin specifically called me because WHEN i was fourteen and,

977
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 2: FIFTEEN i would go over to His he was like

978
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 2: eight years older than, me and he had his own

979
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,400
Speaker 2: place and he saw musical ability and me at, fourteen

980
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:41,240
Speaker 2: fifteen years.

981
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: Old week you didn't see in. YOURSELF i thought it was.

982
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Fun he was, like, yo come help me write this.

983
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 1: Song so we started writing songs, like, oh this is.

984
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 1: Cool SO i went all through college like not making

985
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: the connection like fuck this, school, Shit i'm gonna do,

986
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:58,319
Speaker 1: this but loving music and writing songs and creating all

987
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 1: this stuff with him and my sister UNTIL i joined this. Band,

988
00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: okay and then we were in this, band and the

989
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: band also owned a recording, studio and you got. It

990
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 1: we're talking about we're talking about nineteen ninety, Right, oh that's.

991
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: Rare that's very. Rare so it's like they own a recording. Studio,

992
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: yeah when you go, in there's two clocks on the,

993
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: wall one for The east coast and The west. Coast.

994
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: Wow so it was like it. Was it was very

995
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: we're easily impressed back. Right so they start letting us

996
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: use the recording studio when we weren't doing the shitty

997
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,720
Speaker 1: club gigs or whatever we were doing in the, band

998
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 1: and we ultimately put together a, demo my sister AND,

999
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: i and then we started shilling the demo around and

1000
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: THEN i got my first deal AT Emi capitol with

1001
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: my sister AND i signed TO Emi capitol with the

1002
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: three of us writing the songs and the person in

1003
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: this this Is bene and the young lady in the

1004
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: waiting room in, There Alison, ball gave me that deal

1005
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: and shout, out, well flash forward to NOW i got

1006
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,800
Speaker 1: a little scrilla to start a little record. Label allison

1007
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: is running the LABEL Jbr. Wow, okay so that's how that.

1008
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: Starts so she also gave me my solo deal At Warner.

1009
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: Brothers alison, did so you've stuck with, there which has

1010
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: been like best friends ever. Since that's. Beautiful, yeah that's

1011
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: hard to find that. Level, everyone everyone in the industry

1012
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: says that it's like it's rare to meet someone that

1013
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: sticks with. You it doesn't rid you once you don't

1014
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: serve them a, purpose especially a record. Executive it's like.

1015
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: Because it's all about self preservation. Exactly SO i mean

1016
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 2: she believes in.

1017
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: You, yeah that's.

1018
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 2: Amazing would you, say is the first thing do you

1019
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: remember the first creative project that you?

1020
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: Made? YEAH i remember the first the first song THAT, i,

1021
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,720
Speaker 1: UH i. Wrote, well there's the first SONG i, wrote

1022
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: and then there's the first song THAT i. Recorded, Okay

1023
00:57:57,520 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: so the first SONG i wrote was a song called

1024
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: the WHEN i was like twelve or thirteen years. Old

1025
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: but the first song THAT i recorded was a song Called.

1026
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 1: Gina and this was like right around that time WHEN

1027
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: i was just writing songs with my, cousin and it

1028
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: actually won an, award Like wisconsin had some kind of

1029
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: like songwriters competition And gina won an, award you. Know

1030
00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 1: and then and even, THEN i was, LIKE i didn't

1031
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: like cut the safety net and just jump into the music.

1032
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,960
Speaker 1: INDUSTRY i was, like this is. FUN i Guess i'm

1033
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: supposed to go to college and just figure out what

1034
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: VOCATION i should.

1035
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 2: Have, well singing, wise who are the three singers that

1036
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 2: are your great?

1037
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 1: Question you're a north? Star my north. Star top of

1038
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 1: the list Is Ela. Fitzgerald, Okay and then it would

1039
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: probably it's a cross Between Donnie hathaway And Stevie wonder

1040
00:58:54,760 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: And Aretha franklin somewhere in. There, okay who is the?

1041
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: Singer all?

1042
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: Right YESTERDAY i was just talking about like how Like

1043
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: Michelle farrell has really never truly like gotten her?

1044
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: Flowers, yeah because she's. Incredible.

1045
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 2: Right who who do you see as a singer that

1046
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 2: you grew up listening to that really just never.

1047
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 1: There's a couple of, them all. Right Who as much

1048
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: as people Love Bobby, CALDWELL i, MEAN i JUST i

1049
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: just there's something about his, tone the way he perfectly

1050
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 1: landed the vibrato at exactly the right, place and the

1051
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: fact that he played all the. Instruments bobby Called well

1052
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: is one of. Those another one is Probably Geno, vanelli,

1053
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 1: yes because like he's got those deep jazz fusion roots

1054
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: and him and his Brother ross right and all that

1055
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: deep crazy. Shit and but still just like just Like

1056
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 1: Stanley clark And George, duke they could be, like all,

1057
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: right let's zero in on a, hit, right but then

1058
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 1: the well is so. Deep, yeah they come to mind.

1059
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: NOW i love.

1060
01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 2: It like my sister used to always listen to a

1061
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: first time powerful.

1062
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: People powerful, PEOPLE O jojo and all that stuff on

1063
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 1: there and yeah, mama, yeah, yeah, yes.

1064
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 2: All, Right so what is the road that leads to

1065
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: because always feel as though like your first album is

1066
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: basically like the totality of your life from.

1067
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: Birth, yea the moment and then can you do it?

1068
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: Again oh?

1069
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,400
Speaker 2: Wait, WELL i mean you, know for, you the sophomore

1070
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: thing was the least, thing was the one that was the.

1071
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: Blessed but all, right so The true To, myself like

1072
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: the road that leads To true To? Myself just tell

1073
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,439
Speaker 2: me about the experience of getting a, deal like where

1074
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,920
Speaker 2: you give an agency to create what you wanted or

1075
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: you're going on.

1076
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: ALONG i think it was a combination Of it was

1077
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: a almost like a council of the three of, us my, sister,

1078
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: myself and my, cousin along with the record. Label and

1079
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,640
Speaker 1: of course as an, Individual i'm going to have my

1080
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: own ideas about how and what songs should be done

1081
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 1: and how they should be. PRODUCED i did not have

1082
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: that agency on that, record so that by the Time

1083
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 1: true To myself, happened that was my first solo.

1084
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 2: Album that's but explain to me how did The bene situation?

1085
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: Implode it didn't really implode as much as it was

1086
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 1: like my, sister very, pragmatic practical person who she had

1087
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 1: a pretty good job In milwaukee at the, time and

1088
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: my cousin it was always his dream and my dream

1089
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 1: to be these, producers these, songwriters and my sister, said all,

1090
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: Right i'll come, along let's see what. Happens and we

1091
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 1: did The bene album and you, know a story as

1092
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: old as. Time it wasn't properly promoted or, marketed or

1093
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: maybe we didn't have the right hit on the. Record

1094
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:12,560
Speaker 1: this this is ninety. Two Was gary At emi at this.

1095
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: Time Gary, wait, wait, wait, wait why is that name for? Me?

1096
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: Well, gary why is It? GARY i only Know gary

1097
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 2: because very. Familiar he was these guy For Brown. Sugar

1098
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 2: he was At emi around ninety. Two it was probably

1099
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: in the.

1100
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,439
Speaker 1: Hallways you, KNOW i was primarily just dealing With Ron

1101
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: fair And. Alison he Told Ron. Fair, Absolutely Ron, fair

1102
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: what was that?

1103
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 2: Like you got to qualify? THAT i don't know even

1104
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: allowed to? Answer why you? No?

1105
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,919
Speaker 1: Ron you? KNOW i mean SEE i dealt With, Interscoope Ron.

1106
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: FAIR i did a very very specific one away or The.

1107
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 2: HIGHWAY i chose High, well that's.

1108
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 1: Probably So Ron fair had to Give alison the, okay

1109
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 1: Because Ron fair Was allison's boss to sign, us and

1110
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: so you, Know Ron Fair slanders just like like two years.

1111
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: AGO i never really had a relationship With Ron. Fairbauck

1112
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: alison had the relationship With Ron, fair and you, know

1113
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 1: so in that, Respect ron's always been cool with. Me

1114
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,640
Speaker 1: we just had dinner a couple of years. Ago.

1115
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: Okay but for those Watching ron kind of ding like

1116
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 2: Interscopes glory Years like if you look at The Chris maya's, stuff.

1117
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 1: Who, Else Christina, aguilera those Are Ron Fair, glory no

1118
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: doubt like any, yeah, yeah Like Ron, FAIR i would

1119
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: say is probably kind of right behind the zone where

1120
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 1: that we hold in the space For Clyde davis exactly

1121
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: having the ears my you, know my rebellious twenty thirty

1122
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: year old. Self you, know it was just in another

1123
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: place WHERE i THINK i Believe WILL i, Am WILL

1124
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: i gotta get you on the show. Too When will

1125
01:04:10,120 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 1: talks about the third album with The, p's they gave

1126
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:18,080
Speaker 1: me the, scenario which is basically interscoping those, guys is, like,

1127
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 1: look we have what it takes to make you guys,

1128
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: winners or you could just be the, roots like and

1129
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: they kind of made. IT i didn't take it as an,

1130
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: insult because the thing is is that you, know basically

1131
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 1: saying you can kind of choose not to reach white.

1132
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 2: People, well it's like if you were to ask, me, now,

1133
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 2: Okay SO i mean there's been no secret that with

1134
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: The roots and The fuji's out at the same.

1135
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: Time.

1136
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 2: Whatever, yeah we're touring with them at a point in,

1137
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 2: which like they started out as our opening act and

1138
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 2: then all of a, sudden it's, like Oh, jesus like what's,

1139
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 2: Happening like you, know and and if you were asked

1140
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: me in, retrospect, like, okay if you can go back

1141
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: again and do it all over, again and let's say

1142
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 2: we put you in that same scenario where your second

1143
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 2: album will sell sixty million, units but also this is

1144
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,680
Speaker 2: what will come with it and, everything and those three

1145
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:23,160
Speaker 2: have a very specific story of what's happened to him

1146
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: in the last twenty five. Years, yeah and while it's,

1147
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 2: happening AM i sitting in a bathtub having a panic?

1148
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: Attack?

1149
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,880
Speaker 2: Electricities we're never going to make it Like i've had

1150
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: many of those.

1151
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 1: Nights oh but now, man like we've survived the idea

1152
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:49,400
Speaker 1: of quiet. War, yes, yes.

1153
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 2: And it's one that's not tangible enough for us to

1154
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: actually prove that it was a war because people just

1155
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 2: see it as, like oh the roots In, abney like,

1156
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 2: yeah you guys. Singing but you, know there's a.

1157
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 1: Lot of the, journey the journey along the way is will.

1158
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:09,480
Speaker 2: Kill it's, taxing it has and it has no it's

1159
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 2: killed every. Motherfucker, yeah because it.

1160
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: Is there's so much and what you just, said BUT

1161
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: i just feel like it's so first of, all what we,

1162
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: do it's so toxic to the human psyche and just

1163
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: our journey to get the individual, adelation like and you

1164
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 1: gotta be a really strong emotional person to keep yourself in,

1165
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: check like even, that Like i've never been like a

1166
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 1: really big, star.

1167
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 2: But but being plucked From milwaukee and then just having

1168
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 2: an unhealthy amount of attention on you for crazy. Shit

1169
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:52,480
Speaker 2: i've seen you eight times in my life and each

1170
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: time like the drug of whoa whoa Like AND i

1171
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 2: was there for key moments in your. Life, YEAH i

1172
01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: was there in the front row of THE Naacp awards

1173
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 2: when that moment had like, yeah AND i know that's

1174
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 2: a drug feeling that it is such a high and.

1175
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: What people don't know is an hour after the show is.

1176
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 2: Done i've discovered DJing after the show as a way

1177
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 2: to let myself. Down, yeah that was why to avoid

1178
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 2: drinking or to avoid any other you, Know bubble.

1179
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 1: Will never understand that part of the. Journey you see

1180
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,760
Speaker 1: the snapshot of fame and success and it's, LIKE i want,

1181
01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:41,800
Speaker 1: that but that's only the. Snapshot AND i know it

1182
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: sounds so, like oh poor you, guys and it comes

1183
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:44,720
Speaker 1: off like.

1184
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: This is WHY i make, movies like because if you

1185
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: THE dna of all the movies is again to show

1186
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: you the human side of because you, KNOW i wanted

1187
01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:57,560
Speaker 2: to know why was Slid stone?

1188
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: Sabotaging you get everything you ever, wanted just show.

1189
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: Up and you, KNOW i was one of those people

1190
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 2: that would, judge you, know, unfairly D, angelos barn.

1191
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 1: Whatever it's difficult not to unfairly judge.

1192
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 2: Them BUT i get it now AND i totally understand

1193
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:20,120
Speaker 2: that once you jump in this, pool it's no explaining

1194
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: how to one of. Things it's no explaining the slow

1195
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:25,800
Speaker 2: horror of it. All.

1196
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,360
Speaker 1: Motherfucker it's kind of WHY i have.

1197
01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 2: A space just to meet other, people LIKE i, know

1198
01:08:34,360 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: you know how that feels so like when the first

1199
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 2: wave of what we call neo soul came through for,

1200
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 2: you how much pressure did it? Feel BECAUSE i, mean

1201
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 2: you're coming out the gate with the, d'angelo's with their,

1202
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 2: was with the tony, britches with the that's, right, yeah,

1203
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 2: Dude like just literally at the, time did it feel, like,

1204
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: oh this is the dawning of a new?

1205
01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: Day like Where that's exactly what it felt. Like BECAUSE

1206
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: i thought it was my, idea you, know you, know

1207
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: you thought you were.

1208
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 2: ALONE i THOUGHT i was doing.

1209
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:12,120
Speaker 1: Something it was, like, NAH i want to go back

1210
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: to The donnie hat the WAY i want to go

1211
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: back to the, keyboards AND i love the way you,

1212
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: know h you, know probably Cod well with all these

1213
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: live IN i, THOUGHT i, thought, OH i got a great.

1214
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: Idea that's WHY i call it autum true to. Myself,

1215
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:26,720
Speaker 1: Right they're, Like i'm gonna do it like. Me and

1216
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 1: then it was, like apparently there was twelve other motherfuckers

1217
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 1: thinking the same thing more.

1218
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 2: Than, that or even starting that record. One how did

1219
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: it feel dusting yourself off from the rubble of The

1220
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: benet project before and then doing it by, yourself without your,

1221
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: sister without your Cousin, God because is there a whole

1222
01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 2: like the family dynamic and the guilt or the people pleasing.

1223
01:09:55,120 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: Aspect there's definitely some family guilt of, hey, hey, Y'ALL

1224
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,679
Speaker 1: i gotta go do. This but the beautiful thing about

1225
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 1: having such an incredible family LIKE i, have it's, like all,

1226
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: right the little, brother we support, you and that how fucking?

1227
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:15,640
Speaker 1: HAPPEN i. Didn't that was my mom and dad just

1228
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: raising us like, that and it WAS i. DON'T i don't.

1229
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:19,920
Speaker 1: Know so it's like.

1230
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 2: No one ever gets over the guilt OF i gotta

1231
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 2: do it for. Myself, yeah no one ever GETS i

1232
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 2: have an incredible, family AND i never not give it

1233
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 2: up to my family Whenever i'm thinking about my road

1234
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:33,120
Speaker 2: to being.

1235
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 1: Here but that part of, it it was. Liberating it

1236
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: was LIKE i remember Because alison will tell, you Because

1237
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 1: alison saw so much in me from The benet, thing

1238
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,599
Speaker 1: and she was, Like, okay this is what we're gonna.

1239
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,760
Speaker 1: Do i'm gonna bring you out to L. A this

1240
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: was after we got dropped for the. Thing i'm and

1241
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: bring you out to L. A i know all these,

1242
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 1: producers all these producers and are getting all these placements

1243
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be here for a. Month and you're

1244
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:02,920
Speaker 1: in court with this, guy this, guy this, guy this.

1245
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 1: Guy and THEN i did. THAT i went out there

1246
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 1: AND i recorded all these songs that sounded like what was?

1247
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:10,760
Speaker 2: Happening and, wait did you write spiritual thing or femininity

1248
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:11,559
Speaker 2: Or i'll.

1249
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: Tell you about.

1250
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 2: That.

1251
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: Yes so So i'm, LIKE i work with all these

1252
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: producers and this was like ninety four, three AND i

1253
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:27,839
Speaker 1: remember we listened to all of the stuff and nothing

1254
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 1: was hitting either one of. Us and she was just,

1255
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: like you know, WHAT i JUST i spoke to all

1256
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: the producers that you just work, with and they were, Like,

1257
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 1: yeah the nigga can really, sing that's not the. Problem

1258
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: he's just not his voice ain't really fitting on this.

1259
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: Stuff and so that's WHEN i was, like how about.

1260
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 1: This let me just go back To milwaukee and let

1261
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 1: me just get with my. People it's Kat, demonte who

1262
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,280
Speaker 1: is this brilliant keyboard Player. Milwaukee my Cousin, george, like

1263
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,799
Speaker 1: let me just write a bunch of shit that feels

1264
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 1: good to, me and that's where true to.

1265
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 2: Myself who are you working with previously before you went

1266
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 2: back to the woodshed to do it?

1267
01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:10,640
Speaker 1: Yourself are you allowed to? SAY i am allowed to,

1268
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: say but If i'm being quite honest with, YOU i don't. Remember,

1269
01:12:14,479 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: yeah it was like it was talented. Guys allison was,

1270
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: like this guy's goten placements, here this. Guy SO i

1271
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: would record these songs got. You after that didn't, WORK

1272
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,520
Speaker 1: i just went back To milwaukee wrote true to, myself

1273
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: all those songs got with this. Cat Oh Shoe La.

1274
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:32,560
Speaker 1: Day do you know O Shoe La? Day he's A

1275
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 1: dj producer, Now but, anyway he used to be Called

1276
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:39,680
Speaker 1: Christian warren back in the. DAY i Recorded femininity with.

1277
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: Him and THEN i Remember allison had just gotten her

1278
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,599
Speaker 1: job At Warner, brothers AND i remember, saying all, right

1279
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:49,599
Speaker 1: well check this, out see what you like about. This

1280
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:55,760
Speaker 1: she called me just like niggas when knew, this and

1281
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 1: she let the people in the building At Warner brothers,

1282
01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: here and there was a buzz the. Run and that's

1283
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: that's HOW i got The Warner brothers. Steal was this.

1284
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 2: Still medina Led Warner brothers or who was like the?

1285
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: HEAD i never knew what the structure, Was, no who

1286
01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 1: was like After medina? LEFT i don't. Know SO i

1287
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,720
Speaker 1: tried to stay out of the whole executive thing and

1288
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: just be in a studio and deal With allison If

1289
01:13:18,840 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 1: alison was in, There allison coming, here who was at

1290
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:24,719
Speaker 1: the head Of, no that was that was much. Later

1291
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: that was much. Later alison Knows Tom wally was much.

1292
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 2: Later so once these songs start, hitting what what is

1293
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 2: what is the feeling like spiritual? Thing, yeah, like what

1294
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 2: is the feeling of this EDUCATION i made? It or,

1295
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:43,680
Speaker 2: NO i never felt LIKE i made? It even now

1296
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,760
Speaker 2: these sort of feel like every day Is.

1297
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: YEAH i still don't feel LIKE i made. IT i

1298
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: still feel like forever be climbing, There, YEAH i will,

1299
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:54,840
Speaker 1: forever like AND i think that's the, Thing, like you're

1300
01:13:55,680 --> 01:14:01,400
Speaker 1: a true musician, artist so you're more about reaching an

1301
01:14:01,520 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: unreachable perfection of something that can never be. Perfected and

1302
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:09,400
Speaker 1: SO i always feel, like, ah well you just said

1303
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 1: how much is?

1304
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:14,400
Speaker 2: Enough like ten minutes, ago and that is kind of

1305
01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 2: the Book i'm reading right, now is trying to teach,

1306
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:26,080
Speaker 2: me like really to settle into not being. Insatiable, yeah

1307
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 2: or it's never perfect enough that the fulfillment never completely.

1308
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:30,799
Speaker 1: Happening.

1309
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay when you got your, deal AND i always asked,

1310
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: this what was the first extravagant thing you did for

1311
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 2: yourself when you got to the other side or made

1312
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,679
Speaker 2: it or got your.

1313
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: Advance or, shit got a. Condo, okay so it was

1314
01:14:51,640 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: LIKE i need a place to. LOSE i never really,

1315
01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: well mine was just.

1316
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: Sneakers, Sneakers oh, DUDE i went out WHEN i got my,

1317
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: ADVANCE i purchased ten. Pairs like you gotta, understand like

1318
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: when YOU i lived in a one pair of sneaker

1319
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 2: a year. Household, yeah and you got school, sneakers of

1320
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:15,040
Speaker 2: which you couldn't wear at, home so it's like your play, clothes.

1321
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 1: And so you just went sneaker. Crazy.

1322
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: Dude WHEN i got my, EVENTS i went and got

1323
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 2: every color code Of puma's ever that's. Dope and THEN

1324
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: i Forgot my dad was LIKE i didn't tell my

1325
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,000
Speaker 2: dad about The roots until the second.

1326
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,720
Speaker 1: Album what wait wait wait wait wait you already know the?

1327
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: Drill like, again same. Story, yeah my dad wanted me

1328
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 1: to go To. Juilliard yeah, Yeah i'm going To. Juilliard yeah,

1329
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 1: Yeah i'm going to my insurance job to pay for.

1330
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:48,760
Speaker 2: COLLEGE i did my audition and it just so happens

1331
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 2: on the train. Ride hope trequ was with me audition

1332
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 2: at The New school in The Juilliard gotland train ride

1333
01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 2: home and it was somehow of great poopone commercial or

1334
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 2: the end of WHAT i call dumb and.

1335
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,519
Speaker 1: Dumber the finest woman walks up and.

1336
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: Says excuse, me are you the drummer in The Spike

1337
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,120
Speaker 2: Lee levi's?

1338
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: Commercial?

1339
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:11,839
Speaker 2: Now, Yes have him gone to school with boys to men's?

1340
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 2: Hilarious have him gone to school with boys to? MEN

1341
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:17,519
Speaker 2: i was in The Motown philly. Video, yeah but my

1342
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: dumb ASS i wasn't thinking quick enough because she was paralyzing.

1343
01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 1: BEAUTIFUL i was, like, no that's not, me and she's.

1344
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 2: Like oh, okay and she saw her off in tweeks like.

1345
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 2: Like and then the next day we're Watching Soul train

1346
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:38,720
Speaker 2: and A Spike lee commercial comes on and we have the, eureka, like,

1347
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:43,040
Speaker 2: yo that girl thought this was. Us so when we

1348
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 2: get a bucket and go On South street and see what's?

1349
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 2: Up so we know the anniversary of what you know

1350
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,600
Speaker 2: is the roots thirty four years ago Last, SATURDAY i

1351
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 2: took a white shitling bucket from his grandmam's, career some.

1352
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 2: Drumsticks we freestyled for you, know, uh four. Hours why

1353
01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 2: DID i never know this? Story if we don't make

1354
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty dollars in.

1355
01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 1: Change we're never doing it. Again it's just that one.

1356
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 2: Time remember we played on the street corner and, yeah, yeah,

1357
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 2: yeah but one hundred and fifty bucks seventy five each

1358
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: back back back in the that was date night money

1359
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 2: back in the.

1360
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,599
Speaker 1: Day, Right so we're, LIKE i was making seventy five

1361
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 1: dollars a week in that. BAND i was telling you, about,

1362
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: dude we thought we was. Rich, Yeah so then it's,

1363
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:26,000
Speaker 1: like let's do it next.

1364
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 2: Week let's do it next. Week then there's, like, well

1365
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 2: let's bring out the real. Drums, hey count join your,

1366
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:32,640
Speaker 2: Band count join your and.

1367
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 1: Oh my, GOD i love when things happen organically and for,

1368
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: real out of.

1369
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 2: Necessity so that's that's kind of how it. Happened so

1370
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 2: but my, DAD i did not tell my dad about

1371
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: any of the cause you was looking at like you

1372
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,280
Speaker 2: hang with that hoodlam trek and you need to be got?

1373
01:17:51,360 --> 01:17:53,560
Speaker 1: Up what's up to? Rek you?

1374
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 2: Hook? NO i, mean, Look I'm I'M i have the

1375
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 2: parents that will be like you better motown twenty five dishes.

1376
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:03,840
Speaker 1: Too, yeah my mom and dad.

1377
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: Too yeah, yeah yea, yeah literally like, yeah you better

1378
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 2: don't believe a hype that homework you know WHAT i,

1379
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 2: Mean like that's what they would. Do SO i, mean

1380
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: eventually my cousin's out of me and my dad's like

1381
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 2: what's this and we're we're on the front page of

1382
01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 2: like The Philadeli, inquirer Like.

1383
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:25,759
Speaker 1: Root sophomore album. EVERYTHING i was like a similar, Story

1384
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,720
Speaker 1: like my dad didn't know THAT i was writing all

1385
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 1: these songs UNTIL i was. Playing it Was gina that

1386
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:36,639
Speaker 1: won that, contest was, right, right and, uh hey that's.

1387
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:40,680
Speaker 1: You he wrote that and he did. That like the

1388
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: biggest version of the compliment that my dad could ever

1389
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 1: do was, huh, hey that's pretty good and and then that's,

1390
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: yeah that was that was.

1391
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: It you Got me had to get. Added, no you

1392
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 2: Got me started getting play ON mtv in the. Afternoon.

1393
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:01,920
Speaker 2: Wow and then finally your bar he let up my fourth. Album,

1394
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 2: fine then he was not damn well black black parents

1395
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: are just about the safety of, it and it's all coming.

1396
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:12,320
Speaker 1: Out respect from the. Politics, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1397
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah who was the figure that you met early in

1398
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,679
Speaker 2: your career that like had you shook to your court

1399
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:32,520
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i know that you, know you're meeting your idols

1400
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 2: and all these, things and like how just intimidating was

1401
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:36,519
Speaker 2: that first.

1402
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:39,360
Speaker 1: Round the first round was crazy and the FIRST i

1403
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 1: love your questions because every time you ask, one a

1404
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 1: person or an image pops in my. Head it Was Natalie.

1405
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: Cole it Was Natalie. Cole that's such a Great natali cool.

1406
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,040
Speaker 1: Story what was? YOURS i want to hear Your Natalie cole.

1407
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: Story but, so my sister AND i were doing The

1408
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: this was before we got The benet album and we

1409
01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: were just in that band and we were working on

1410
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 1: our original songs and my Cousin george submitted us for,

1411
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 1: this that and the, other and we did The jack

1412
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 1: The rapper convention back in the, day which eventually got

1413
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: us on this show Called Big. BREAK i, remember of

1414
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,200
Speaker 1: course on, IT i one big break for THE i,

1415
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 1: okay so Every Big break for those not, watching it's

1416
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,880
Speaker 1: kind of Like Star. Search, yeah so my, sister every

1417
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:28,960
Speaker 1: episode would have a, Winner, oh you got this many,

1418
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: votes and today's winner is but, no, no The. Bennet

1419
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: and then at the end of the season they would

1420
01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:38,880
Speaker 1: have all the winners come back and compete for who

1421
01:20:38,960 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 1: is the seasonal? Winner, right and the seasonal winner WAS

1422
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:49,200
Speaker 1: R kelly and public. ANNOUNCEMENT i wasn't ready for. This

1423
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 1: they wanted. Too, yes and, wait what year was? This? Shit,

1424
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: man this must have been like ninety one or some,

1425
01:20:56,600 --> 01:20:59,760
Speaker 1: shit it's like. That and SO i never knew this

1426
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: or NINETY i don't. Know, yeah and then so And

1427
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,840
Speaker 1: Natalie cole was the, host AND i never met a

1428
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,240
Speaker 1: big celebrity before she was the. Host she was the,

1429
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 1: host AND i just AS i just, remember you, know

1430
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:16,280
Speaker 1: when you're plucked from obscurity In, milwaukee you have an

1431
01:21:16,360 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: idea of what an, iconic legendary celebrity is going to

1432
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 1: be or going to be. Like and she was the.

1433
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 1: Antithesis she was the. Opposite she was just so oh my,

1434
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,519
Speaker 1: god you guys are so they're so. Ten she wanted

1435
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: to sit and have a conversation and she was just

1436
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 1: so real and, raw and that shook. ME i was,

1437
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: like but do you know that You're Natalie. Cole i'm

1438
01:21:38,840 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 1: thinking to, Myself You're Natalie. Cole and she's just like

1439
01:21:41,800 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 1: she did that your. Sister you and your sister just

1440
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:45,600
Speaker 1: so adorable AND i love you and the way you,

1441
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 1: harmonize and so, yeah that was, Incredible but what is your?

1442
01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:50,200
Speaker 1: Story all? Right?

1443
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 2: Actually, okay SO i have you said that and you

1444
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 2: just reminded me THAT i Met Natalie cole, twice so

1445
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 2: technically the first TIME i met her was probably the

1446
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: most dream scenario of all. Time speaking of Like jack The,

1447
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 2: rapper there's you, know There's philadelphia Legend Deanna williams who

1448
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: would throw these. Conventions you, know conventions were like a

1449
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 2: thing of the nineties or.

1450
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 1: Whatever we had no in and it's.

1451
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 2: Right so we had THE I Am convention In philadelphia

1452
01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 2: AND i would. Intern i've been turned there like for

1453
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 2: at least like two or three years in a. Row

1454
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,839
Speaker 2: and the last TIME i did THE I Am, convention

1455
01:22:30,360 --> 01:22:32,519
Speaker 2: they were going to give Like Stevie wonder The Diamond

1456
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 2: award Of excellence or something like. That And Stevie wonder

1457
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 2: has a routine That I've i've learned like throughout the

1458
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,600
Speaker 2: years where after he give us a, performance he'll have

1459
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:46,479
Speaker 2: a meet And greek in his dressing room or maybe

1460
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 2: in his hotel suite upstairs not to and there's always

1461
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 2: a piano keep.

1462
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:53,120
Speaker 1: Going But Stevie wonder one of the most, beautiful like

1463
01:22:53,240 --> 01:22:55,799
Speaker 1: incredible people that know anyway.

1464
01:22:55,880 --> 01:23:00,599
Speaker 2: Exactly, Yeah so it's like. Clockwork literally he's done given

1465
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 2: a performance or does what he do he'll either there's

1466
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: always a grand piano inside his hotel room or backstage

1467
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: and you know where it's getting. Out, Okay stevie wonder

1468
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 2: is going to have a meet and greet in his.

1469
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 2: Room so we were, allowed the roots were allowed to

1470
01:23:15,720 --> 01:23:15,960
Speaker 2: come in.

1471
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:17,560
Speaker 1: There and.

1472
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 2: By the TIME i get, there Like, stevie the best

1473
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:27,320
Speaker 2: part of A Stevie wonders show is this, part which

1474
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: is he's at the, piano and of course every piano

1475
01:23:32,680 --> 01:23:37,720
Speaker 2: is just surrounded by at least twenty, women and it'll be.

1476
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,759
Speaker 1: Random things, like oh There's Valerie, simpson.

1477
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 2: Incredible oh There's Cavy, Sledge, yeah there's you, know and

1478
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 2: he's literally going through his albums LIKE i got in right,

1479
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 2: when LIKE i think he started doing people handing in.

1480
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:57,400
Speaker 2: Visions he was doing, visions you. Know So i'm watching

1481
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: this for a half hour and, then you, know take

1482
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 2: a seat and then decided to get some aror by this,

1483
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:06,360
Speaker 2: point he's like one songs in The key Of, Life

1484
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:07,599
Speaker 2: like he's literally going.

1485
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: Through his discography and they're singing.

1486
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 2: EVERYTHING i love, it AND i sit out there and

1487
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: then suddenly Like Andre fisher And Natalie cole come and

1488
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:20,640
Speaker 2: sit down next to. Us now you, KNOW i am

1489
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 2: one of the Biggest rufus fans of all. Time Andre

1490
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 2: fisher was the drummer And.

1491
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 1: Rufus oh.

1492
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:30,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely he's also the nephew of one of my, Idols Claire.

1493
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 1: Fisher, fisher WHO i had the pleasure of before he.

1494
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:37,840
Speaker 1: Passed Claire. FISHER i had the pleasure.

1495
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 2: On a, song absolutely A Claire fisher string. Arrangement but,

1496
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:45,559
Speaker 2: Anyway i'm, sorry go, Ahead. Okay so the beginning of

1497
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 2: d'angelo's Really love is the last thing That Claire fisher.

1498
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:51,759
Speaker 1: Because he's doing all those string arrangements on Those rufous

1499
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: album Little, boy doing all those Beautiful oh my.

1500
01:24:54,479 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 2: God SO i had a skillion questions For Andre fisher

1501
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 2: and he's telling me about Like rufus first phoned and

1502
01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,639
Speaker 2: and it took me an hour to be like, yo

1503
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 2: Like Nalie cole And Andre fisher don't know me from

1504
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 2: a can of, paint but they're, like.

1505
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:10,759
Speaker 1: Blew your, way didn't.

1506
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 2: It and by this point he's on side for of

1507
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:17,160
Speaker 2: like songs in The key Of life Like i'm missing

1508
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: if it's magic and as like you're in the back

1509
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: of you here making this. Up, no like he's we're

1510
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 2: on The balcony.

1511
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:30,400
Speaker 1: And The Andre, Fisher Natalie cole With Stevie Wonder.

1512
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 2: Just, however my my Fun Nally cole story is night.

1513
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:41,160
Speaker 1: One of The voodoo, TOUR i learned what the term

1514
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:42,000
Speaker 1: eighty six.

1515
01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 2: Means LIKE i THOUGHT i was in this industry between you,

1516
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:50,240
Speaker 2: know this Is voodoo comes out In. January so we're at.

1517
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 2: That we're doing a week at The house Of, blues

1518
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,120
Speaker 2: right just as warm up shows before we start the.

1519
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 2: Tour there's nothing like AND i feel guilty for it

1520
01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 2: because you, know people when they talk About, la they're, like, a,

1521
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 2: MAN i Hate. La ali's not real And i'm leaving

1522
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,040
Speaker 2: here and da da da da.

1523
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: Dada.

1524
01:26:08,439 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 2: Yeah but whenever we go TO, la it's just, like, oh,

1525
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:14,720
Speaker 2: man what's going to happen? Tonight and so we did

1526
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 2: a week at The house Of blues and every, night

1527
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 2: LIKE i THOUGHT i was in this, industry but to

1528
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:27,240
Speaker 2: be there for a two month Old voodoo, album of

1529
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,639
Speaker 2: which now it's in everyone's, system and we're testing these

1530
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 2: shows out and there's a point in the show where you,

1531
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 2: KNOW i get it like a two minute break while

1532
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 2: something's happening on the stage And i'm listening on the

1533
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,280
Speaker 2: walkie talkie of like one of, them AND i keep

1534
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 2: hearing the term.

1535
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: Eighty, six eighty. Six she's getting eighty six And i's getting.

1536
01:26:50,920 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: IT i get backstage And Tina farris is, like, yeah,

1537
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:56,559
Speaker 1: man we had the eighty. Six Natalie.

1538
01:26:56,560 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 2: Cole one more again is probably the most. Night if

1539
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 2: you would, ask, like what's the experience that was the

1540
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: hardest of The Voodoo. Tour it's doing one more, again

1541
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 2: because either fight's going to break, out or sometimes the

1542
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 2: women would get smart and be like, okay and they

1543
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 2: would run like football, plays like, okay three security guards

1544
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:20,519
Speaker 2: on that side and one's over, there so this is

1545
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:23,839
Speaker 2: What i'll. Do i'll run on. Stage it never, failed,

1546
01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:27,479
Speaker 2: really two were run on stage and then four security

1547
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:29,000
Speaker 2: guards would get, them and that's the.

1548
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:30,599
Speaker 1: Opening and then they were open and.

1549
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:34,760
Speaker 2: Wow so then it just became a how can we

1550
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 2: keep D'Angelo from, bleeding you, know scratching.

1551
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,799
Speaker 1: HIM i ain't never had them, problems, dude.

1552
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:45,160
Speaker 2: But at one or even, worse it'll be a fight

1553
01:27:45,200 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 2: in the. Audience AND i don't know what, happened But

1554
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 2: Natalie cole was not getting out the way for, nobody

1555
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 2: AND i heard they were scrapping AND.

1556
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:56,559
Speaker 1: I never knew it was actually.

1557
01:27:56,600 --> 01:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Scrapping they had the eighty Six Natalie cole out of

1558
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 2: The house Of blues and two other women for either

1559
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 2: about to get into it or. WHATEVER i never knew

1560
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 2: what the term eighty six meant until The Natalie cole. Movement, wait,

1561
01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,720
Speaker 2: OKAY i have something hilarious to tell. You so Is

1562
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,680
Speaker 2: Summer fest held in that sort of outdoor amphitheater?

1563
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:23,920
Speaker 1: Thing? Yeah by the? Water, OKAY i have another.

1564
01:28:24,040 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 2: Story oh, GOD i don't know IF i was to

1565
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 2: tell the, STORY i told, It, OKAY i told it

1566
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:35,080
Speaker 2: in his. Obituary but you, know we're sound. Checking this

1567
01:28:35,120 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 2: is the one show that we had. Together. Okay it

1568
01:28:39,320 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 2: Was Eric bana And DiAngelo In milwaukee the summer of two. Thousand,

1569
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:48,760
Speaker 2: okay now you know what your situation was.

1570
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 1: Back in two. Thousand. Yeah and it wasn't a.

1571
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 2: Rule like you, know keep people, with you, know like

1572
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 2: principal half like motherfucker's, like, yeah you can't come on

1573
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:56,720
Speaker 2: stage and watch it or.

1574
01:28:56,760 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Whatever.

1575
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Yeah and so we're playing and we're sound Checking Devil's pie,

1576
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:04,360
Speaker 2: whoa and we're just sound.

1577
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:04,759
Speaker 1: Checking.

1578
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 2: Yeah so it's basically like just sound, checking like we're

1579
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:12,720
Speaker 2: not going through the motions or, whatever and we look

1580
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 2: to the left And i'm in my, communication.

1581
01:29:15,520 --> 01:29:22,320
Speaker 1: Mic i'm in my, communication mic AND i, said, oh

1582
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: my fucking. God you know she's here.

1583
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:31,519
Speaker 2: And she's watching, us and it's like make her go.

1584
01:29:31,600 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 2: Away and again it's like we were. Frozen but the thing,

1585
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: WAS i noticed that we started getting more. Intense of

1586
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: course you, did but then these getting AND i forget.

1587
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,840
Speaker 1: That de can hear my? Communication mic, OH i, said,

1588
01:29:47,880 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: yo man told at the.

1589
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 2: OBITUARY i told, this, yes because this is one of

1590
01:29:53,400 --> 01:29:54,360
Speaker 2: the funniest moments in.

1591
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Life, okay, Okay and next THING i, know like.

1592
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 2: He looks, still AND i instantly see his body, freeze

1593
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:03,639
Speaker 2: like holy, shit she's.

1594
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: Here and the next THING.

1595
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 2: I, know like he's now like he full pay me

1596
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 2: two times and, shit And i'm, like, dude wait what

1597
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 2: A celtic. Nigga, Yeah i'm, like let's just we're. Good

1598
01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: like we tested everything and he we went through like the.

1599
01:30:23,200 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 2: Fortnute this is what. Happens now we're doing.

1600
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Full fledged dose pie for.

1601
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: Nobody there's nobody in the, house And i'm, like Oh,

1602
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:41,719
Speaker 2: god like like we're literally like a boulder like headed

1603
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 2: down and he is and It's james Brown bag and

1604
01:30:47,040 --> 01:30:48,120
Speaker 2: he's like doing the splits and.

1605
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Stuff, SAID i was kidding and, no but this is what.

1606
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 2: Happens he there's a point in the song right from

1607
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 2: the all A, Lie all A lie where you, know

1608
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 2: we learned this from, friends where he runs on one

1609
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:00,800
Speaker 2: side of the stage and slide in the home. Plate

1610
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 2: but this is what he didn't. Know it was a

1611
01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:08,120
Speaker 2: wooden floor. Splinters oh, worse there was a.

1612
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 1: Nail This milwaukee, man nothing's put together. Properly it was

1613
01:31:15,920 --> 01:31:20,000
Speaker 1: like there was a nail inside the. Stage, Right so.

1614
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:23,880
Speaker 2: He's running and when he slides in the home, plate

1615
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:32,839
Speaker 2: just the nail slices like he has very thin cotton slacks.

1616
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:38,400
Speaker 2: On you ever Watched Charlie brown where he's at the pitcher's, Mount,

1617
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:42,320
Speaker 2: yes and he throws the pitch and then next thing you,

1618
01:31:42,360 --> 01:31:48,920
Speaker 2: know he's like butt naked because the D'Angelo had pants,

1619
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 2: on and then he did the slide and the nail

1620
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 2: just ripped a perfect like literally his pants, were oh my.

1621
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: God but it got his him, too, RIGHT.

1622
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 2: I mean he was, bleeding but it was also, like,

1623
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 2: dude your, commando what the?

1624
01:32:06,080 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 1: Fuck and that worked out kind of. Good, no then

1625
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: it was, like all, right stop the. Song he ran

1626
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: stage and got new.

1627
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: Pants but, literally my, God we've never done a more

1628
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,920
Speaker 2: intense sound check in my life AND i love.

1629
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:25,080
Speaker 1: That i'm SORRY i had to bring.

1630
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:30,360
Speaker 2: That, Okay so for, you you've AND i mentioned at

1631
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 2: the top of the show that you've created.

1632
01:32:35,080 --> 01:32:35,679
Speaker 1: The wedding.

1633
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:42,760
Speaker 2: Song when something is, successful, yeah and overtly, successful does

1634
01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 2: it become a?

1635
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: Burden?

1636
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 2: Now having done the Earth wind And, Fire Doc philip

1637
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 2: shares a story where he has to break people's hearts

1638
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 2: because they don't know That reasons is a cheating song

1639
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 2: and not a wedding. Song so he talks about the

1640
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 2: insane amount of times they've been and ask to Perform

1641
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 2: reasons at a wedding or. Whatever for spend my life with, you,

1642
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:10,000
Speaker 2: like at what point did you realize like and were

1643
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 2: you ever given any wedding request to perform missing?

1644
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:18,280
Speaker 1: So and do you get tired of singing? It to

1645
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: answer that part of the, QUESTION i remember being a

1646
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: kid and seeing some of my favorite artists who were

1647
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: known for certain, songs AND i remember, Thinking, WOW i

1648
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: bet they get tired of doing that same they sit,

1649
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: here they go they're doing that same damn Song and

1650
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 1: SO i would imagine that IF i were ever to make,

1651
01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,960
Speaker 1: IT i would just get sick of doing the same

1652
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: song over and over. AGAIN i don't have that. SENSATION

1653
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: i love performing my. MUSIC i think it's one of

1654
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 1: the things that keeps me feeling. YOUNG i think every

1655
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:58,479
Speaker 1: TIME i send us a SOMETIMES i cry or spend my.

1656
01:33:58,520 --> 01:34:00,800
Speaker 2: Life, WELL i was gonna, say SOMETIMES i want to,

1657
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 2: ask because the Times i've seen you, perform you have

1658
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:07,600
Speaker 2: that's an intense song to go and when you do

1659
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 2: it in, concert it's super.

1660
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: Intense it's, yeah there's no way to lightly do that.

1661
01:34:12,360 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: Song so what if you're just not it?

1662
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,920
Speaker 2: Has what mind state do you have to be in

1663
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:20,639
Speaker 2: order to put yourself through that that rigorous?

1664
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:24,759
Speaker 1: Process that's that's a great. Question so SOMETIMES i. Cry

1665
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:28,040
Speaker 1: it's one of those songs where we wrote the song

1666
01:34:28,439 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 1: and the song was, mixed wasn't mastered, yet And i'm

1667
01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 1: just driving around listening to the song for a week

1668
01:34:34,640 --> 01:34:37,880
Speaker 1: before we actually master, it and As i'm singing along

1669
01:34:37,920 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 1: when it gets to that, Modulation i'm in the car

1670
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,599
Speaker 1: AND i hit like three or four full tones above

1671
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:47,800
Speaker 1: what it was on the. RECORD i called my engineer

1672
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,759
Speaker 1: And i'm, like, man get your ass to the. STUDIO

1673
01:34:49,800 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 1: i THINK i could do a higher, note.

1674
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 2: And so so you wouldn't let it.

1675
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 1: GO i went to the studio and then he punched

1676
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: me in at that modul a AND i hit that.

1677
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 1: Note and As i'm doing, It i'm, THINKING i don't

1678
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: know what the Fuck i'm gonna do, live BECAUSE i

1679
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: don't know HOW i can do this say live every.

1680
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:14,679
Speaker 1: Night so SOMETIMES i cry becomes the number one song

1681
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 1: And i'm, thinking, GODDAMN i have to Do i'm. TRAPPED

1682
01:35:18,160 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 1: i painted myself in an audio. Corner and so the

1683
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:28,479
Speaker 1: first NIGHT i do, IT i nail the, note because

1684
01:35:28,520 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: WHEN i was in the STUDIO i didn't nail it at.

1685
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 1: FIRST i had to you, know as a, singer you

1686
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: have to find there's places in your throat where you

1687
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: can sing certain. Things And i'm, like it took me

1688
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,880
Speaker 1: a while to be, like, okay IF i go to

1689
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: that part AND i can hit. It and SO i

1690
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,200
Speaker 1: hit it the first, night hit, it the second, night hit,

1691
01:35:46,240 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: it third, night and THEN i, realized IF i do

1692
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 1: that song four nights in a, row by the fifth,

1693
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 1: night that layer of my falsetto is. Gone SO i

1694
01:35:56,840 --> 01:36:00,559
Speaker 1: just have to BE i Think i've successfully fool people

1695
01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:04,080
Speaker 1: into thinking THAT i can always hit that note because

1696
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 1: LIVE i always, do BECAUSE i always make sure that

1697
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,400
Speaker 1: if there's a fourth, NIGHT i. Can't i'm not singing

1698
01:36:09,520 --> 01:36:12,320
Speaker 1: nothing for three days to get that false settle to

1699
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:15,320
Speaker 1: back where it. Is so you just gotta work with

1700
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:15,600
Speaker 1: what you.

1701
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 2: Got so what is your what is your care routine for?

1702
01:36:20,280 --> 01:36:25,280
Speaker 2: Singing because, look haven't been at the tonight. Show, YEAH

1703
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:28,519
Speaker 2: i haven't seen the best and the. Worst, Well i'm

1704
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,000
Speaker 2: gonna tell you, something but maybe by the time they

1705
01:36:31,040 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 2: get to the tonight. Show you can't.

1706
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:35,519
Speaker 1: Suck i've seen. Anything can't.

1707
01:36:35,560 --> 01:36:38,639
Speaker 2: Say, dog it's twenty twenty, six anything gonna? Happen, no, no,

1708
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 2: NO i was saying THAT i have all. Right so

1709
01:36:41,640 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 2: on our, WARDROBE i, mean we haven't utilized it in

1710
01:36:43,800 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 2: a long, time but there was a point where we

1711
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 2: actually had winter, suits summer, suits and then a small

1712
01:36:55,040 --> 01:37:00,519
Speaker 2: part of our rewardrobe that says a refa what what

1713
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 2: SO arefa has this thing where it's, like IF i

1714
01:37:04,240 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 2: enter the, building, oh no air, conditioning that's, right that's,

1715
01:37:08,360 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 2: right and she has enforcers to make sure like those

1716
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 2: dudes and Then Steve harvey suits that you, know, like, yeah,

1717
01:37:15,160 --> 01:37:18,360
Speaker 2: well But Steve harvey Suits, no she sensed like those

1718
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 2: guys are they get. There she's been on the show three.

1719
01:37:21,960 --> 01:37:25,320
Speaker 2: Times they will get there at two in the morning

1720
01:37:25,960 --> 01:37:29,360
Speaker 2: and literally sit there really in our, catacombs in our

1721
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,920
Speaker 2: basement to make sure that not one. Person and you,

1722
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 2: know Thirty rock is an old building in which it's

1723
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 2: no individual air like can be, like let's turn an

1724
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 2: the air off in the hallway and in the studio the, whole.

1725
01:37:41,160 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 1: But behole four is.

1726
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 2: Affected When Aretha franklin comes, in there's a mineral comes

1727
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:48,120
Speaker 2: out and, says hey's gonna be Guess.

1728
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 1: So everybody morning mesh tank. Tops.

1729
01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:54,400
Speaker 2: Dude people Thought jimmy was like on, coke like literally

1730
01:37:54,439 --> 01:37:57,799
Speaker 2: the sweat on his face and and it's, no it's

1731
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 2: but part of me was super cynical back, then AND

1732
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 2: i was, like is that? Psychosomatic like is it true?

1733
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 2: That LIKE i wonder if it, Is but, No But

1734
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 2: i'm asking a, singer, like what is are you the

1735
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,800
Speaker 2: vocal rest person while on the? Road is it every three?

1736
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 2: SHOWS i need a day? Off what if the day

1737
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 2: off falls on A saturday and the gig is? Lucrative,

1738
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah like so to answer your.

1739
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: Question there is a direct correlation with over extending your

1740
01:38:27,800 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: voice and just tearing away at certain layers of your

1741
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:36,799
Speaker 1: tone until you just got to. Heal maybe somebody who's

1742
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 1: more disciplined than all the things you need to do

1743
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:43,240
Speaker 1: to be able to do five shows a day for

1744
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 1: a week. STRAIGHT i can't do. It and it's not.

1745
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,960
Speaker 1: Psychosomatic it's definitely you can hear. It IF i, talk

1746
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: you can hear. It so but for, me a big

1747
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,880
Speaker 1: part of it is no. SUGAR i cut alcohol, OUT

1748
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:01,639
Speaker 1: i drink, WATER i try to eat. Foods my whole

1749
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:05,200
Speaker 1: perception of food is food is to nurture. Me and

1750
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:08,160
Speaker 1: if it's if it's got added a, yeah if it's got,

1751
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: chemicals if it's got, that THEN i can't put it

1752
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: in my.

1753
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:15,040
Speaker 2: Body no sugar during touring season or like a off.

1754
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:16,479
Speaker 2: Season are you out that?

1755
01:39:16,479 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 1: Front IF i hang out with some, relatives you, know

1756
01:39:20,720 --> 01:39:23,040
Speaker 1: AND i got that peach cobbler right, There i'm eating

1757
01:39:23,080 --> 01:39:25,559
Speaker 1: that damn peach, cobbler all, right, Right but then as

1758
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:28,000
Speaker 1: a result of, that probably for the next four, Days

1759
01:39:28,040 --> 01:39:31,320
Speaker 1: i'm NOT i definitely won't eat any dessert and there's no. Candy,

1760
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:34,680
Speaker 1: YEAH i will do things that you're not supposed to.

1761
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:38,360
Speaker 1: Do i'll even THOUGH i SAY i don't drink, anymore

1762
01:39:38,439 --> 01:39:42,800
Speaker 1: like once a MONTH i might have a glass of wine. Alcohol, no.

1763
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 2: All, Right so long, ago LIKE i knew the story

1764
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:01,519
Speaker 2: better and, BETTER i always wanted to ask you. This,

1765
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:06,080
Speaker 2: yeah SO i always Considered hurricane your acoustic soul album

1766
01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:07,679
Speaker 2: because of the presence of the acoustic.

1767
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,479
Speaker 1: Guitar Dean. Parks whoa that Was Dean? Parks Was Dean?

1768
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 2: Parks, Bro?

1769
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 1: Dude that.

1770
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:21,519
Speaker 2: Explains, everything, okay because on WHAT i didn't. Know Dean

1771
01:40:21,560 --> 01:40:24,360
Speaker 2: parks is ON i think eight songs on songs in

1772
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:28,000
Speaker 2: The key Of, Life and ONCE i heard the broken

1773
01:40:28,080 --> 01:40:29,560
Speaker 2: down stems.

1774
01:40:29,200 --> 01:40:31,680
Speaker 1: Of, IT i was, like, WOW i never knew that

1775
01:40:31,720 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: this song had acoustic guitar because it's layered so brilliantly

1776
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:35,960
Speaker 1: right and so.

1777
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:41,080
Speaker 2: INSTANTLY i was, like, wow the presence of acoustic guitar

1778
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 2: on this, record like that replaced The Fender rhodes to

1779
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 2: give that album the personality Has BUT i wanted to

1780
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 2: know was the direction of better and? Better just what

1781
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 2: wound up Being hurricane or is? That what was the

1782
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 2: direction of better and? Better that Told wanner's, like, no

1783
01:40:56,640 --> 01:40:57,439
Speaker 2: this isn't it all.

1784
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:01,559
Speaker 1: It was such you talk About, Hey Tom, Wally i'm

1785
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:06,400
Speaker 1: about to talk about, you. Bro so that was one

1786
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:12,799
Speaker 1: of the frusht trading aspects of just being an artist

1787
01:41:12,840 --> 01:41:16,320
Speaker 1: at a big machine Like Warner, brothers because you, KNOW

1788
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:20,720
Speaker 1: i come off the success OF A day in The,

1789
01:41:20,760 --> 01:41:23,799
Speaker 1: life which did really spend my life And Georgie porgie

1790
01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: and all, that AND i go into the studio And

1791
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:30,639
Speaker 1: i'm working on a lot of the. SONGS i did

1792
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 1: some of Them philly R i got your strings for

1793
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:41,720
Speaker 1: Your Pretty baby. Yea so one of the THINGS i

1794
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:45,720
Speaker 1: remember feeling so good about That better And better album

1795
01:41:45,880 --> 01:41:48,519
Speaker 1: because there were songs on it LIKE I want to Be,

1796
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:54,639
Speaker 1: Loved Pretty baby And better And Better Mike. City SO

1797
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:57,160
Speaker 1: i turned in the record And Warner brothers was just

1798
01:41:57,200 --> 01:41:59,720
Speaker 1: like now we we we, don't we don't like this.

1799
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:04,560
Speaker 1: Record AND i was, like, really.

1800
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:07,800
Speaker 2: SO i take if there wasn't a day to day

1801
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:10,519
Speaker 2: person that gives notes or, whatever, Like i'm not going

1802
01:42:10,600 --> 01:42:12,479
Speaker 2: to treat the place now where it's, like here's my.

1803
01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:15,439
Speaker 1: Record, YEAH i had a lot of autonomy at that

1804
01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:19,200
Speaker 1: point to just go make your. Record SO i turn

1805
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,879
Speaker 1: in the record and you, know there's all that corporate.

1806
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 1: Turntable there's always somebody else moving in and. Out and

1807
01:42:25,280 --> 01:42:29,280
Speaker 1: this is When Tom wallly came. In, okay new New, Blood,

1808
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:33,639
Speaker 1: yeah New. Blood AND i remember feeling so good about

1809
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: better and better and turning it in and they'll be, like, nah,

1810
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:41,320
Speaker 1: this this really isn't a good, record And i'm, like, Okay,

1811
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: so and this is at a time, where you, know

1812
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:46,840
Speaker 1: y'all got to. Understand we didn't have laptops where you

1813
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: could just like go and make an, adjustment make an,

1814
01:42:49,400 --> 01:42:51,760
Speaker 1: adjustment or write a song and just throw it out.

1815
01:42:51,760 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 1: There you needed a, marketing, promotion distribution. Machine and SO

1816
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:00,240
Speaker 1: i was, like, okay so does that MEAN i mean

1817
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:03,840
Speaker 1: two things are gonna. Happen can you let me out

1818
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:05,840
Speaker 1: of my deal so THAT i can go somewhere else

1819
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: and take this? Record so? Nope, Okay so does that

1820
01:43:10,240 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 1: MEAN i get a budget to go record some other

1821
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 1: songs and add to this? Record MAYBE i can salvage

1822
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,320
Speaker 1: it and make a complete product that you feel good about. Releasing,

1823
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:24,160
Speaker 1: Nope so what? Happens? Wait is that why it took

1824
01:43:24,240 --> 01:43:24,639
Speaker 1: some damn?

1825
01:43:24,640 --> 01:43:28,320
Speaker 2: Off? Yeah, yeah BECAUSE i was gonna, say like you

1826
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,200
Speaker 2: damn there until what six seven?

1827
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 1: Years, yeah it wasn't six or seven, years but it

1828
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 1: was quite a bit of. Time in two thousand and

1829
01:43:36,160 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 1: Five Hurricane, Yes, yeah so, yeah.

1830
01:43:40,360 --> 01:43:42,599
Speaker 2: And day life came there was ninety. Nine you came

1831
01:43:42,600 --> 01:43:43,200
Speaker 2: out to, say.

1832
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:46,240
Speaker 1: You're, Right you're, RIGHT i was. Saying SO i was basically.

1833
01:43:46,280 --> 01:43:49,080
Speaker 1: STUCK i was. STUCK i had better and. Better they

1834
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:51,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't release. It they wouldn't let me out of my,

1835
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:55,360
Speaker 1: deal and SO i had to figure, out how DO

1836
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 1: i get myself out of this? Mess how do you?

1837
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: Survive you Don't but so basically WHAT i did WAS

1838
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: i JUST i don't remember HOW i came up with this.

1839
01:44:06,160 --> 01:44:08,960
Speaker 1: IDEA i was probably talking to my Cousin george, probably

1840
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,479
Speaker 1: BUT i was, like this is the, situation, like they

1841
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: won't let me out of the, deal they won't release the.

1842
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:19,040
Speaker 1: Record and at the, Time i've always been a massive

1843
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: fan Of David, foster like where he used to do

1844
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:24,479
Speaker 1: all all the stuff he did With chicago back in

1845
01:44:24,520 --> 01:44:28,479
Speaker 1: the day and and Earth wind And fire And Sha

1846
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:31,800
Speaker 1: Ka khan and all that, stuff And David foster was

1847
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 1: kind of like a resident producer At Warner brothers for

1848
01:44:35,240 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: lack of a better. Term AND i, SAID i know

1849
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,759
Speaker 1: What i'm gonna Do i'm gonna bum Rush David foster

1850
01:44:40,120 --> 01:44:43,559
Speaker 1: and be like this is what's going to. Happen, no,

1851
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:46,719
Speaker 1: No i'm not that. COCKY i was, like Mister, foster

1852
01:44:47,840 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 1: you know.

1853
01:44:51,600 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 2: Your.

1854
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:57,400
Speaker 1: EXCELLENCE i. WAS i remember it really. WELL i knew

1855
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:59,920
Speaker 1: he was going to be at this, uh this this,

1856
01:45:00,160 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 1: function this this, event And David foster is gonna be.

1857
01:45:03,320 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: There i'm showing. Up SO i ran into him AND

1858
01:45:06,439 --> 01:45:09,160
Speaker 1: i was, Like, david Mister, Foster I'm Eric, Beney oh,

1859
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,720
Speaker 1: BRO i know who you. Are AND i was, like,

1860
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:16,120
Speaker 1: Look tom's not going to let me out of my

1861
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,559
Speaker 1: deal and they won't let me do another, record but

1862
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:22,200
Speaker 1: Maybe and this, was like you, said this was after

1863
01:45:22,320 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 1: years and me just being stuck not knowing what to,

1864
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: do AND i, said MAYBE i can come by your

1865
01:45:28,240 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 1: place and maybe we can funk around with some. Stuff And,

1866
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:36,280
Speaker 1: David god bless, Him. David you Know David, Yes, yeah

1867
01:45:36,360 --> 01:45:39,680
Speaker 1: he was just like, yeah, bro, shit come come by the.

1868
01:45:39,680 --> 01:45:42,800
Speaker 1: House he calls it the, host the, Host canadian. Ass

1869
01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,960
Speaker 1: his house was a Big Tony montana monstrosity on the

1870
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:49,160
Speaker 1: beach In, malibu AND i just remember pulling up to

1871
01:45:49,200 --> 01:45:54,400
Speaker 1: this thing like, yeah, damn but he's still Just, David

1872
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 1: yeah man come to the. Studio Humberto gotica was, There,

1873
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 1: yeah samn yeah, engineering and that's where we did and

1874
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:08,680
Speaker 1: the first song we wrote together Was. Hurricane. Yeah and

1875
01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 1: then we did the last time and Then, HEY i

1876
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:13,680
Speaker 1: got some cats that are gonna come over and and

1877
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:19,600
Speaker 1: be like the cats for the Album Dean, Park vinnie Cal.

1878
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:21,960
Speaker 2: It's, Like i'm like what BECAUSE i was gonna say

1879
01:46:21,960 --> 01:46:25,200
Speaker 2: that the musicianship on that record AND i couldn't call.

1880
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:28,439
Speaker 1: IT i was, like something so different about. THIS i see.

1881
01:46:28,479 --> 01:46:32,680
Speaker 1: That So david saved my. Whole LIKE i don't know.

1882
01:46:33,040 --> 01:46:35,599
Speaker 1: WHAT i don't know WHAT i would have done Because Warner,

1883
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:38,639
Speaker 1: brothers it had been. Years they wouldn't let me out

1884
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 1: of my. Deal they wouldn't let me fix the album

1885
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,240
Speaker 1: that they did not. Like oh and so WHAT i

1886
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:45,840
Speaker 1: ended up doing is like three or four of those

1887
01:46:45,880 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 1: songs like Pretty, baby some of those songs that were

1888
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 1: On better And, BETTER i would just sprinkle them on later.

1889
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:56,160
Speaker 1: Albums one or two of them was On, hurricane another

1890
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 1: one was on uh the one that. Came SO i

1891
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: made sure some of those better And better songs got.

1892
01:47:01,840 --> 01:47:05,080
Speaker 2: Out, Okay so as a, SINGER i would like to

1893
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:12,160
Speaker 2: think that your entire outfit has to be, vulnerability the

1894
01:47:12,200 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 2: ability to show. Emotions, however you, KNOW i believe around

1895
01:47:19,520 --> 01:47:25,000
Speaker 2: ninety six ninety seven kind of hip hop's shadow takes

1896
01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:30,559
Speaker 2: over the entirety of black culture, absolutely and the armor

1897
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:35,360
Speaker 2: of emotion sort of sets in which really doesn't allow

1898
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 2: for it is less, cool, right like oh softness or

1899
01:47:40,760 --> 01:47:43,720
Speaker 2: that's what THE r AND b? Whatever how hard is

1900
01:47:43,760 --> 01:47:52,120
Speaker 2: it to navigate such a, sensitive beautiful art form inside

1901
01:47:52,479 --> 01:48:00,599
Speaker 2: of this sort Of roman calcium of, Toxicity, yeah where

1902
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:05,479
Speaker 2: you stand out like a sore thumb for something that

1903
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:08,200
Speaker 2: if this were the, seventies you'd be one of a

1904
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:11,800
Speaker 2: million people doing. It, Yeah so, like how hard is

1905
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 2: it now to navigate where just singing Is i'm not

1906
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:18,080
Speaker 2: even SAYING r AND b, yeah just.

1907
01:48:18,240 --> 01:48:23,519
Speaker 1: Singing, yeah in twenty twenty, Six, man that is an

1908
01:48:23,560 --> 01:48:25,800
Speaker 1: insightful dope, QUESTION i, Think and let me add to.

1909
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:30,639
Speaker 2: It, yeah especially where you are in your mind state right.

1910
01:48:30,720 --> 01:48:33,840
Speaker 2: Now and you, KNOW i mean you were touching shit

1911
01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 2: with The jolliverton the song you different by You you

1912
01:48:38,360 --> 01:48:41,480
Speaker 2: always had your little message dawns like sprinkle, throughout.

1913
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:43,840
Speaker 1: But yeah we got a jawn in this.

1914
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:47,760
Speaker 2: One, yes of Course i'm always From, Philly but, like

1915
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:52,679
Speaker 2: how do you navigate your art in twenty twenty six

1916
01:48:53,720 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 2: in which you now have to represent every. Singer you

1917
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,120
Speaker 2: have to be the message, person you have to be

1918
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:04,519
Speaker 2: the motive. Person you damn near have to represent your whole.

1919
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:09,880
Speaker 1: Lineage i'm, Damn i'm. Looking i'm depressing you now now about.

1920
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:13,240
Speaker 1: THIS i didn't Know i'm really trying to take in

1921
01:49:13,320 --> 01:49:17,719
Speaker 1: this question because as you're asking the, QUESTION i don't

1922
01:49:17,800 --> 01:49:20,080
Speaker 1: think of it that way because IF i, DID i

1923
01:49:20,120 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: would fuck my shit.

1924
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:25,720
Speaker 2: Up, WELL i see that's my my living in my

1925
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:29,519
Speaker 2: brain so long and less in my. HEART i always analyze,

1926
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:32,280
Speaker 2: first Like i'm therapy is like helped me to let

1927
01:49:32,280 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 2: it go of beautiful analyzing.

1928
01:49:34,000 --> 01:49:36,519
Speaker 1: Shit, well it's. Hard first of, All god bless you

1929
01:49:36,600 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 1: for doing therapy because a lot of people just don't

1930
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:41,040
Speaker 1: take the emotional health.

1931
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:43,719
Speaker 2: Seriously so you, know it's either that Or i'll wind

1932
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,599
Speaker 2: up in the OBITUARIES i put On.

1933
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,880
Speaker 1: Instagram SO i don't want to be that. PERSON i hear.

1934
01:49:47,920 --> 01:49:50,960
Speaker 2: You but like as the, roots When i'm going on,

1935
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:54,240
Speaker 2: Stage i'm, like, yo like we got to be confunction

1936
01:49:55,120 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 2: and The Wu tang. Clan you feel that and printing the.

1937
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:00,240
Speaker 2: Revolutions why people always ask like you.

1938
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:03,479
Speaker 1: Feel that pressure before you go on? Stage what black

1939
01:50:03,520 --> 01:50:04,519
Speaker 1: bands are? Left like?

1940
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 2: That that's, True there's that's. TRUE i feel like in

1941
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,920
Speaker 2: those two, hours feel LIKE i have to be a breakbe.

1942
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:12,960
Speaker 2: BAND i have to be the disco, BAND i have

1943
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 2: to be the hip hop. Band we have to do

1944
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:19,000
Speaker 2: everything in two. Hours LIKE i feel Like i'm, yeah

1945
01:50:19,320 --> 01:50:20,920
Speaker 2: do not ever stop going to?

1946
01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Therapy oh? Never? BIG i got? Two, YEAH i get

1947
01:50:25,200 --> 01:50:33,240
Speaker 1: because the way you phrase that questions like IF i

1948
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:36,400
Speaker 1: thought about WHAT i do like you just, DESCRIBED i

1949
01:50:36,400 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 1: don't THINK i would have so much. ANXIETY i wouldn't

1950
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:43,160
Speaker 1: get on the. STATE i feel LIKE i planned that

1951
01:50:43,200 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 1: seed in you now now that you, didn't because what?

1952
01:50:46,280 --> 01:50:51,400
Speaker 1: What what cured that scene was the very First bene

1953
01:50:51,439 --> 01:50:56,200
Speaker 1: album To true To myself because because The bene album

1954
01:50:56,479 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 1: was me feeling LIKE i need to be part of

1955
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:05,240
Speaker 1: this collective decision on this. Art The true To myself

1956
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:09,240
Speaker 1: album cured what you were just asking, me Because true

1957
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:16,479
Speaker 1: To myself Was fuck what people want from me as an?

1958
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:21,439
Speaker 1: Artist Even fuck what's happening on the, Radio fuck what

1959
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,200
Speaker 1: the radio? State what the record label feels like they?

1960
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 1: Want quincy talked about it all the. Time there's a

1961
01:51:27,360 --> 01:51:31,320
Speaker 1: goosebump factor in the. Studio that's What i'm going. For

1962
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:36,120
Speaker 1: Whether i'm writing it or vocally i'm singing, it my

1963
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 1: goosebump barometer is going to let me know it's done

1964
01:51:41,240 --> 01:51:43,640
Speaker 1: or it feels. Good put it out, there see what.

1965
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:48,719
Speaker 1: Happens so it's like AND i feel like my major

1966
01:51:48,800 --> 01:51:52,439
Speaker 1: influences are the greats that we've been talking about through

1967
01:51:52,439 --> 01:51:57,160
Speaker 1: this whole. Conversation SO i feel, like, creatively somewhere in

1968
01:51:57,280 --> 01:52:01,720
Speaker 1: my Subconscious i'm always stacking my against that WHICH i

1969
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: feel LIKE i will never. Reach and we talked about

1970
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:08,120
Speaker 1: never reaching the unreachable, unreachable but always striving for. It

1971
01:52:08,920 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: SO i feel LIKE i got The Quincy, JONES i

1972
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:16,080
Speaker 1: got The Stilly, DAN i got The Donny, HATHAWAY i

1973
01:52:16,080 --> 01:52:19,280
Speaker 1: got The Stevie, WONDER i Got Ella, fitzgerald AND i

1974
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:22,800
Speaker 1: know how they make me feel on a, visceral emotional.

1975
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:26,800
Speaker 1: Vibration i'm never going to reach, that BUT i know

1976
01:52:26,880 --> 01:52:29,360
Speaker 1: that If i'm in the studio And i'm at least

1977
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:33,280
Speaker 1: Oh man feeling a little bit of that giddiness that

1978
01:52:33,320 --> 01:52:37,240
Speaker 1: they give, Me i'm, like, HEY i did my. Best

1979
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:41,800
Speaker 1: and if they don't dig it shit fuck, them true to.

1980
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 2: Yourself my last question to, You, yeah if you could

1981
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:47,439
Speaker 2: freeze time for a, day press the pause.

1982
01:52:47,479 --> 01:52:50,679
Speaker 1: BUTTON WHOA i, Love, YO i. Love these are mere.

1983
01:52:50,880 --> 01:52:52,960
Speaker 1: QUESTIONS i didn't even ask the, QUESTION i, know BUT

1984
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:56,240
Speaker 1: i love the way they. Start if you.

1985
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 2: Can astro travel back to your sixteen year old.

1986
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 1: Self nerdy? Motherfucker, yeah what would you?

1987
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:05,439
Speaker 2: Say what three things would you say to your sixteen

1988
01:53:05,520 --> 01:53:06,560
Speaker 2: year old self.

1989
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:12,439
Speaker 1: Back in eighty? Four, yeah, okay one day you will have.

1990
01:53:12,520 --> 01:53:20,080
Speaker 1: Sex it's. Coming oh let me tell. You but, yeah eighty,

1991
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:24,240
Speaker 1: FOUR i was very much what is a word for

1992
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:29,559
Speaker 1: the person who's the introvert but shields it with comedy and?

1993
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 1: Goofiness but a human? Deflector, yeah but prefers to be.

1994
01:53:34,840 --> 01:53:37,600
Speaker 1: Alone oh that's a human. Being, yeah, Okay.

1995
01:53:37,320 --> 01:53:37,680
Speaker 2: WELL i was.

1996
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:42,519
Speaker 1: THAT i was that human. BEING i would probably tell

1997
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 1: MYSELF i was at recently asked a question like, THIS

1998
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:49,320
Speaker 1: i would probably tell my sixteen year old, self who

1999
01:53:49,439 --> 01:53:53,240
Speaker 1: had this incredible imagination and wanted to see the world

2000
01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:56,040
Speaker 1: and wanted to do all these. Things and at, SIXTEEN

2001
01:53:56,120 --> 01:53:58,439
Speaker 1: i didn't even know THAT i wanted to be a,

2002
01:53:58,640 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 1: singer even THOUGH i was very much a singer and

2003
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,880
Speaker 1: a songwriter at the, TIME i would probably tell, myself

2004
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:10,080
Speaker 1: you might want to rethink going to. College but, see

2005
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:11,960
Speaker 1: see this is a tricky part of that kind of.

2006
01:54:12,040 --> 01:54:18,760
Speaker 1: Question would you go back in time and save Baby? Hitler? No, right,

2007
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:23,160
Speaker 1: right you know What i'm. Saying, yeah it's like. Shit

2008
01:54:23,400 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: then what lessons would you? Learn? YEAH i would probably

2009
01:54:28,080 --> 01:54:33,480
Speaker 1: try to be as coded and muted in specifics and

2010
01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:38,880
Speaker 1: just say your dreams will come, true and you will

2011
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:43,000
Speaker 1: affect the dreams coming true of so many. People but

2012
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 1: keep working on the stuff you're good. At, Okay and

2013
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 1: you know now that my parents are going like JUST

2014
01:54:52,440 --> 01:54:55,160
Speaker 1: i told him every day, anyway but probably not so

2015
01:54:55,240 --> 01:54:58,920
Speaker 1: much my dad because he was so emotionally, like work

2016
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:02,560
Speaker 1: a little harder on trying to pull a connection out

2017
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,880
Speaker 1: of your dad because he's so, stoic and you, know

2018
01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,680
Speaker 1: because you're gonna really wish you had that one day

2019
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:09,080
Speaker 1: and just.

2020
01:55:09,240 --> 01:55:12,720
Speaker 2: Well hopefully now you're doing for your. Kids what are

2021
01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:14,280
Speaker 2: you trying that you had for?

2022
01:55:14,360 --> 01:55:17,640
Speaker 1: You every? Day i'm trying to be. Better, yes that's

2023
01:55:17,680 --> 01:55:19,040
Speaker 1: all we can ask. For that's, right.

2024
01:55:19,160 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 2: Brother i've always loved your, voice but especially now in

2025
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, SIX i really appreciate and love your voice,

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01:55:31,480 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 2: boom and we need more of that.

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Speaker 1: Boom thank you. MAN i appreciate you. Man thank. You

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01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:39,680
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