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Speaker 1: um we we just recorded a very like, very good,

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Speaker 1: you're also evolving as an artist because first you felt

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Speaker 1: only Grace Freud. Grace, Welcome to the Lab. Hi, everybody. Wow,

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Speaker 1: um since I was done with it. Uh So that's

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00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: why I thought it would be a good topic. And remember,

423
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: like I chose to be done with it. I was

424
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: on this like like high adventure thing that they call

425
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: it um in in the Keys, uh and we were

426
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 1: like on this boat for a couple of weeks. I

427
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 1: was like on this phone. I was like, oh, like,

428
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: I guess it's like fun to be on this boat,

429
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: but also like this organization like hates who I am

430
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: and if I came out, I would get stripped of

431
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: my title or whatever. So like, maybe it's not worth

432
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: it to go on like a little trip and still

433
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: and being able though I just remember like having this

434
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 1: that sounds so basic, but like seventeen year old me,

435
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: it was like it was like six am, and I

436
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: was like looking across the ocean and being like, yeah,

437
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,239
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work anymore. Like once I got back up,

438
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, done with that. The things

439
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: will do for a little trip. I know. It is

440
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: really like it's the ultimate dilemma of like basically like

441
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 1: should I is it worth it to feel completely oppressed

442
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: for the sake of a little trip? That is that

443
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,919
Speaker 1: is a tough call. It really is a tough call, um,

444
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,120
Speaker 1: Like you know, I mean I I've had to make

445
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,119
Speaker 1: that call as an adult to like I went to

446
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: a cousin's wedding, like one of the only cousins who

447
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: still speaks with me. Uh, and so I was surrounded

448
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 1: by me and my partner was surrounded by like family

449
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: members who thought like I was just like, you know,

450
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 1: like a stain unexistence for me and brands the whole

451
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 1: time I was like, you fucking idiot, what do you expect?

452
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: Like you really thin you just go to this wedding

453
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: like not the worst experience in the world. No, I

454
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: should have sent the card. You know, you were like

455
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 1: hypnotized by the possibility of orders. Yes, exactly. I love

456
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: a good reception. Yeah, it's like a very neat experience.

457
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: So once again you're like it isn't worth it? Y Yeah, yeah,

458
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. I remember being like jealous in a similar

459
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: way of things we would do for a little trip.

460
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to like go like I was jealous of

461
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: the religious people that would go to like build homes

462
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 1: and like Haiti or something like. I'd be like, I

463
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 1: want to go on, I wanna go to Haiti. But

464
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: then I was like, then I have to be religious,

465
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's not worth it. I didn't

466
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: take the swing. And I kind of did the same

467
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: thing with boy Scouts, where I was like, this seems

468
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 1: the homo roticism appealed to me obviously, and I was like, wait,

469
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: are they like jerking each other off? And they're like

470
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: I want to do that. But then when it came

471
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 1: down to it, I was like, well, I actually don't

472
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: want to like build a fire in the woods and

473
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: wear a little uniform and blah blah blah. I had.

474
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: So I did cut Scouts, and I probably for a

475
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 1: total of like a year and a half and then

476
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: never pursued it further. But I have a distinct and

477
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: this was, you know, I was young. My parents had

478
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: only been in the country for a little bit. I

479
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: just I didn't think they remember throughout the entire time

480
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: doing it, not understanding the concept of what it was like.

481
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: I had no concept of like the history of boy Scouts,

482
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: what it means in like I was just like I

483
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: literally would just go through the motions. They would tell me,

484
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: like where this little handkerchief, like you can put these

485
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: pins on your shirt, and I was like, I don't know,

486
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: Like I was in second I was like, I do

487
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: not know what this means, Like it is the equivalent

488
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: of like watching a very like adult movie. You don't understand.

489
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: I was like, I will do whatever you're telling me,

490
00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: but I have no idea what my goals are here

491
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: or how this fits into the rest of culture. At

492
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: some point, we had to like build these like kind

493
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: of um wind up little planes, like wind up little

494
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 1: toy planes that then would race and one of them

495
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: would win, and I was just like, I have no

496
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: idea how this fits. Is this part of school? Is

497
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: this like an extracurricular activity. I was just doing what

498
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: I was told. But I do have a very distinct

499
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: memory of us racing those wind up little planes in

500
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, Jim And for the race

501
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: of again, these wind up little planes that kids made,

502
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: they played the national anthem, and I just, even at

503
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: that young age, remember being like this is wrong, like

504
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: we should not be playing the national anthem before doing

505
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: a wind up plane race. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's

506
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: it seems like it's weird because it seems really like

507
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: the goal of Cob Scouts and boy Scouts is to

508
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: like make marines. And I know so few former Scouts

509
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: who like be Kate, who like went into the military,

510
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: even though that seems to be like the explicit goal

511
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: maybe even you know, yeah, well that's wh When you

512
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: said that, I was like, yes, it's literally like the

513
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: army for kids, but they don't tell you that. It's

514
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: like it's like, yeah, you have to learn how to

515
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: tie nots, but like yeah, that's a that's an army thing,

516
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: and how to fire every kind of gone you know. Wow,

517
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: I do wish like there is room in childhood for

518
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: like practical class, like I do need to know com ed.

519
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: Isn't that what that is? Home? Home? Yeah, home X

520
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: but like they don't even really have it anymore. But

521
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: it's like I would love I wish I knew more

522
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: about like building a fire than I did about math,

523
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: Like I wish. I mean that's basically I've said this before.

524
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 1: Not to get on my high horse, but I'm like,

525
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: we need some sort of public service that is not

526
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: war themed, like if if it's because like you know

527
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: how in I mean in many countries like Israel in Greece,

528
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: like you have to do like a mandatory military service.

529
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, do some other kind of mandatory public service?

530
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: Do have your make it so that for one year

531
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: you have to choose between like the post office, the library,

532
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: something like all these public things, and just for one

533
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: year you have to work as a public as an

534
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: employee of the state. Like why does it have to

535
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: be war always? Why does it have to be war always? Um?

536
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: So wait, Grace, you were in Scouts for like kind

537
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: of a while if you did it till you were seventeen? Yeah,

538
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: I was in scouts for like twelve years. I guess

539
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: were you you don't mind me asking good at it? Yeah?

540
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: Did you enjoy it? Um? I I think know neither

541
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: of them. I was not well what good at I

542
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: guess like what I'm trying to think. To me, being

543
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,479
Speaker 1: a good scout would have been like kind of like

544
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: falling in line and being like to me, being a

545
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: good scout would have been like a good being it

546
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: like a good little straight like a guy who like

547
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: like tumbled around with with the other guy. I had

548
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: panic attacks all the time and cried all the time,

549
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: including on camping trips and stuff. Everyone like hated me.

550
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: I was like obviously very prudy. My mom just kept

551
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: making me do this stuff. I did like to camp.

552
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: I did like being out in the wilderness. I still

553
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: like to do that. I did learn a lot of stuff,

554
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: I guess, but I was I think like a would

555
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: a scout in the cock like in actuality. It was

556
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: like like someone who like got along with all of

557
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,239
Speaker 1: the other scouts super well, and it was like just

558
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: like good at like masculine stuff. And I was like

559
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: really not good at that. And I wasn't like very

560
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: strong and I got scared really easily if it was

561
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: like a thunderstorm. I was like I was. I was

562
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: actually really not a very good scout at all, I

563
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: would say, and yet she persisted. You know, I really

564
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 1: truly I almost became an eagle scout. Um, I like

565
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: dipped out right before. But there were things that there

566
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: were some friends that I had in it, there were

567
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: things that I liked about it. But I think for

568
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: the most part, it was just another It was the

569
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: biggest version of my mom being like this is a

570
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: thing for boys, that you're a boy and you need

571
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: to do this. So it was like the one that

572
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: like kept going like after like sports and stuff like that.

573
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: Like I was even after I got out of sports,

574
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: I was still like a scout. You know. Yeah, it's

575
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: interesting that at least sports there's a kind of clear point,

576
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: whereas with the boy Scouts is just like masculinity training going, yeah,

577
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: you can just keep at it. Um. And I guess

578
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: to be fair to the to the boy Scouts, there

579
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: now the Scouts and they accept all sorts of people.

580
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,240
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. I didn't know. That's only after

581
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 1: a lad like maybe like one of the only second

582
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: to the Catholic Church, big like fucking like loss for

583
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: a child sexual abuse, So like, I think that was

584
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of they're like rebrand being post like being outed

585
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 1: for all of that. Right, Well, there's nothing better if

586
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 1: you're ever accused of a crime, There's nothing better than

587
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: coming back with well where LGBTQ friendly. Yeah, if you did, like,

588
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,040
Speaker 1: if you did something like like if you're accused of

589
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,439
Speaker 1: something like homophobic or transphobic, you can always just say

590
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: you're bie and non binary, which is essentially with the Scouts. Yeah.

591
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: I do like the idea of the head of the Scouts,

592
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: however that is it's like Eric Prince coming out and

593
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: being like, well, I'm non binary. I love m from

594
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: boy Scouts to by Scouts. Were we randing as the

595
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: by Scouts the by Scouts now that I would love

596
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: all of us go both ways, like rather like rather

597
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: than being rather than being trained to be in the military,

598
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: being trained to be bisexual. Yeah, we need to. I

599
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: think Garden media is doing a pretty good jo already,

600
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 1: so say that to say that. Wow. I also okay, wait,

601
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: how do we feel about like girl scout culture. I've

602
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: heard so many different perspectives on it. So my mom

603
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: was a girl Scout, and when she told me about

604
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: being a girl Scott, it was very similar to like

605
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: my experience in the Scots, which was like camping wilderness forces,

606
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 1: YadA YadA YadA, going on trips and being a camp

607
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: councilor and stuff. But my friends who grew up like

608
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: in a like like my mom grew up in northern Minnesota, right, um,

609
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: so in a small town. My friends who grew up

610
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: like in my major metropolitan areas, it was like, oh,

611
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: we like learned how to knit or something, you know.

612
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: So I think that like the there's like a huge

613
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,399
Speaker 1: spectrum of experiences for girl Scouts. I always thought girl

614
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 1: scout my sisters did for one of my sisters in brownies.

615
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this is a pattern. None of

616
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: us ever graduated to them to the actual things, never

617
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: became a girl Scout, but like I would do, I

618
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: would like help her with I think I was just

619
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: like helping like unpack the cookies, Like the cookies would

620
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: come in bulk and then we would put them into

621
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 1: little boxes for individual orders. And to me, and I

622
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: just did that, I think because I enjoyed it. That

623
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: to me was so it was like a genuinely such

624
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: a fun thing like I love the different cookies. I

625
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: love that they were each a different color and then

626
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: you look through the orders and then you put them

627
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: in boxes. That it's like, if there was a way

628
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: for me to have been socialized like that rather than

629
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: having to race wind up planes after the national anthem played,

630
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: I mean, god, it would be such a matter existence.

631
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: Like I truly there's I have such warm feelings towards

632
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: the concept of Girl Scout cookies. Yeah, I think I

633
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: think that's honestly like a good We had like our cookies,

634
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: but they were like not fun like cookies. You know,

635
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: it was like popcorn and then it was like Christmas

636
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: trees and write wreaths and stuff, and that just doesn't

637
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: quite have the saying that cookies do. I know, know

638
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: the cookies. Like the cultural impact of the cookies. It's

639
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: so weird how much people love them in a way

640
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: where I'm like, are we being brainwashed? What's going on?

641
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: How do we all like them? Well, it's all right,

642
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:16,720
Speaker 1: you know, like they're changing the names so like they're

643
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: not offensive anymore. So we're all good, Like we can

644
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: love the cookies. We can love the cookies. One interesting

645
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: thing about Girl Scouts is when the boy Scotts changed

646
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: their name to Scouts and started accepting girls, the girls

647
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: got sued because they were like, no, that's our thing, which,

648
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so funny. Yeah, that you could

649
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: almost beet as like uh, you know, just a totally

650
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,240
Speaker 1: um needed act and it wasn't like like their vanity

651
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,959
Speaker 1: or whatever, like because they're just like, hey, those guys

652
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: are pedophiles. We gotta stop them. Get into the girls too.

653
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: You know. Maybe like maybe in an ideal world, I mean,

654
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I guess this would still be about every world, but

655
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 1: in an ideal world, maybe both organizations would accept people

656
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: of all genders and it would just have to do.

657
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: I like you if you whether or not you wanted

658
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: to be trained in masculinity or femininity, and you can

659
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: just pick one regardless of what your gender was. Do

660
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: you want to learn to bake or shoot guns? Yeah? Yeah.

661
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: It's interesting charge that you're bringing up about like how

662
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 1: you joined cub Scouts like right after you like immigrated here,

663
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: like pretty much because like there were like a lot

664
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: of immigrants in my Cub Scout group too, and I

665
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: think that was like a regular thing. I wonder if

666
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: that was like like that's like essentially the army. We

667
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: better go like bring our kids there and learn how

668
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: to be American or whatever. Yeah, it was very much.

669
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 1: Um it was one of those things where you know,

670
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: day to day in school, I was very assimilated. I

671
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: certainly didn't feel foreign whatever. And it was one of

672
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: those rare things where I suddenly saw everyone in a

673
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: different light, Like I suddenly saw all the dad's dressed

674
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: in this kind of country club white way and like

675
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: be very intense about the national anthem. And I was like, oh,

676
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 1: this is these kids are going home to a different

677
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: reality than my own, Like everyone else is secretly like

678
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: obsessed with the army. That is kind of like terrified

679
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: a similar vein there were a lot like my dad

680
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: was really in the picture. There were a lot of

681
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: like kids in there with like single moms, and I

682
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: think their thought process was like, well, they don't have

683
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 1: a dad in the picture, so I better make sure

684
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 1: my son like learns how to be a man somehow,

685
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: you know, So let's do it in like maybe the

686
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: worst way possible, like as it turns out, but wow,

687
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: this conversation, I'm like so glad my parents did not

688
00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: force me to do that, Like I'm like, Wow, this

689
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: would have been I'm so grateful to not have been

690
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: in the Boy Scouts. You know, I actually think you

691
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: would have found a way into it. I think you

692
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: would have. Yeah, I really, I kind of I think.

693
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's actually crazy that I haven't ever seen

694
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,720
Speaker 1: a photo of you in a full boy Scout outfit.

695
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah I have. I'm surprised if you have it. It's

696
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: just my fan art that I make of Sam where

697
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: I draw him wearing a boy Scout out I mean,

698
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: part of the boy Scout vibe. I really like, in

699
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 1: a fantasy, you're doing like the positive. I do like

700
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: the premise, but I think in reality it would be miserable.

701
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: I also think my relationship with masculinity is as I

702
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: have gotten older, become more casual and relaxed, and I

703
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: can enjoy it. I feel like as a kid, I

704
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: was very like, oh no, no, like I don't want

705
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 1: to be expected to do that stuff. Yeah, it's um,

706
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: it's kind of I mean not to I we can't

707
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: be like I just it really is the ultimate con

708
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: like it's like it is. It's like it is the

709
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 1: one thing that it's like the one that threatens everyone

710
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 1: and yet everyone is sacrificing so much to achieve it constantly,

711
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: like we need to just I mean, there needs to

712
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: be a different way. Yeah what wait what what one

713
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: do you think? Yeah? What do you want? I want way?

714
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 1: I guess what I want is the Girl Scouts, like

715
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: gonna Well, when you run up the Girl Scouts, it

716
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: made me think of like, how like my Girl Scots

717
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: was like musical theater. Like I really wanted to be

718
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: involved in musical theater my entire childhood. My mom just

719
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: like wouldn't allow it because you thought it would make

720
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 1: me more bullied. And I cannot emphathys emphasize enough how

721
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: much bullied I already was. Like they was like, not

722
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: more bully. You just wouldn't have mattered at that point.

723
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: It would have been just diminishing retarians on the bullies,

724
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: right um. And I eventually got you when I was

725
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: like in the tenth grade, I think, but like I so,

726
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: my version of like being in Voice Scouts and looking

727
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: at Girl Scots is really like breeding boye Scouts and

728
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: being like I wish we were all singing and dancing

729
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: right now, we should put on a show, Like I mean,

730
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: you'd think it would be easy to put on a show.

731
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: Everyone is like good at following directions. Everyone's like striving

732
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: to get that next badge. It just put on the

733
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: music man. We did skits um as part of like

734
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: present like at what at camp when there was like

735
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: like the merit badges were passed out and stuff. Part

736
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: of that would be skits that we would throw on.

737
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: And the first sketches I ever wrote or skits for

738
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: these that bombed in ways that make it so eddie bomb.

739
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: I would have now as like a professional stand up

740
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: comedian would never would never match that, you know, like, yeah,

741
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 1: well the only thing worse than enforced masculinity is sketch comedy.

742
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: So wow. See the thing is I was really traid

743
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: to subvert both, and I just I just wasn't able

744
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: to quite do it. Well, it wasn't your audience, And

745
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: I think that that's what's cruel about those situations. And

746
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: you were in the black hole. Anything you would have

747
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: done that would have been like that's the thing, Anything

748
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: you would have done that would have been in any

749
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 1: way subversive would have immediately turned straight upon you doing it. Yeah,

750
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: I like I must have been on the fifth grade

751
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: and sixth grade I wrote written one about like a

752
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: toilet that doesn't want you to poop in it. Everyone

753
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: was like, uh, that's so like, no one laugh for me.

754
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: This is disgusting. How dare you? It's like, all right, wow,

755
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: that sounds like it would crush I know, I like

756
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: want to see that on sm l um Sarah, Yeah,

757
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: I've got an idea. Yeah, we're calling Laurens then yeah, okay,

758
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: Lauren's on the line dead. I'm like, okay. Things that

759
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: I fantasized about as a child include boy scouts, and

760
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: the other one was wrestling. This was another thing that

761
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: was like very masculine, and I was like, I bet

762
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: if I could do that, it would be really fun.

763
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: But then I would ever actually do it, because in

764
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: reality I would hate it. I was I was in

765
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:21,479
Speaker 1: wrestling for yes, and I hate it's so fun. Yeah,

766
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: I truly really despised it. It hurts. It really hurts.

767
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: I mean you're like getting beat up. Yeah, yes, you're

768
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: like grappling. You're not like having fun. It's not like

769
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 1: fun wrestling. It's like you're doing specific rapples and moves

770
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,520
Speaker 1: and so a lot of wrestling. When it's like the

771
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: sport of wrestling, it's like just like runting and trying

772
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: to pull harder, and how you're able to like hard

773
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: you are talking about right on and you're able to

774
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,320
Speaker 1: pull hard enough that you flipped the person over. The

775
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: are able to pull hard enough that they flip you,

776
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 1: and then you're like flat on your ass led you

777
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: to wrestling. I must know. My mom just made me

778
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: do a lot of different sports. Like my mom is

779
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: this every single Like I had to be in a

780
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: sport at all times when I was in elementary school

781
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: pretty much. Huhum, what was a sport you liked? I

782
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:27,240
Speaker 1: guess I didn't mind parts of baseball because I felt

783
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: like I got along with the kids on my team

784
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: the best there because I was kind of able to

785
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: just like goof around and like I was like sitting

786
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 1: down watching the game for the most part. But even that,

787
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: I didn't like it because like these pictures would like

788
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: hit beyond purpose because I was very fat and so

789
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: like they would just I would get hit a lot

790
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: by balls. But I looked at it back kids, Yeah,

791
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: I would just like get hit by I'm fairly certain

792
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: that it was one time I got hit six times

793
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: in one game because because of that, we won, Like

794
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: it was it wasn't enough, like take your races that

795
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: they add up. They can't literally like they care more

796
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: about bullying, like they care more about bullying than winning

797
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: the game. And I was a spastic little bit. But

798
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: but also you know, like there were reasons I was

799
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: a spastic little bit, and that's not that's not that's

800
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: not a reason for someone to be violent towards me.

801
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: Are you sure right? You're right, it's in the case

802
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: may case basis. Can you please stop reverse drama dumping

803
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:50,720
Speaker 1: on But yeah, so I was in a ton of sports.

804
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: I think the one I hated the most that was

805
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: football because I just I felt like I was hurting

806
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: people when I was tackling them because I us and

807
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: I felt really bad. Yeah, but that's not what I

808
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: was best at. Very right. Well, it's so interesting to

809
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: have just we're not interesting, but I mean tragic to

810
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 1: have the very correct instinct that like I don't want

811
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: to hurt people, and then for everyone to tell you know,

812
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: that's how this works, you have to hurt. Yeah, you're

813
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: good at it, Like do the keep hurting people? Yeah,

814
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: I had this very bad football experience for this like

815
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: kid who like just always hated me at school, kept

816
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: going under my paths and pinching my nipples like we

817
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: were like like up against each other on the line

818
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: up um and so like he kept doing it and

819
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: kept doing it. I was like, stop it, stop it.

820
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: And then I did it to him once and the

821
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: ref saw that and I got thrown out of No,

822
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: and I still to this day like we'll like be

823
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: looking up at the ceiling trying to go to sleep

824
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: and be like what an injustice? Like how dare Oh

825
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: my goodness, I really need to emphasize how much of

826
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: a spastic little bitch I was. I mean, if there

827
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: was there was someone, I'm not saying I deserved it,

828
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: but I am saying it made sense. Does that make sense? Like, Grace, Grace,

829
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 1: look at me. It's not your fault. I'm fully being convinced.

830
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I guess it sounds like he deserved it. No, no, George,

831
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: it sounds like she was being annoying. So I guess

832
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: I hadn't considered like she was being kind of annoying. Yeah,

833
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: Voice Scouts, Wow, oh my god, what would you say?

834
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: I mean, Grace, like, as someone who did go through

835
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: boy Scouts, what would your ideal version of a of

836
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: a gender neutral Scout program be I mean I have

837
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: actually kind of thought about this because I do really

838
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: love the idea of like one thing. Okay, some things

839
00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: that were good about the Scouts were like I did

840
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: not grow up with like hardly any money, and I

841
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: was able to go on trips all around the country

842
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: to see like different national parks and like do all

843
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: these cool wilderness experiences. And I do like treasure the

844
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:17,359
Speaker 1: getting to see all of that whatnot. So it would

845
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: be cool to be able to have something for kids

846
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: from like different like socioeconomic backgrounds where they would get

847
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: to like go to Glacier National Park or Acadia or

848
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, to like to sail around the keys or

849
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: like all these are kind of crazy, like really cool,

850
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: like inspiring things that I think of, like, um, you know,

851
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: like those just having those experiences didn't impact me in

852
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: a positive way. And seeing all of this like natural

853
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: beauty and learning about the wilderness. So like I think, um, ideally, um,

854
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 1: it would be something along the lines of, like, it's

855
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: not based around gender, it's not based around religion, it's

856
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: not based around patriotism. Uh, and there are no adults.

857
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: It's just robots who have been programmed not to be pedophiles.

858
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,839
Speaker 1: I think that would be Yeah. What it goes back to, like,

859
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: am I willing to be oppressed to go on this

860
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: little trip? Yeah? Exactly. Yeah, It's like that's what if

861
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: the full circle of it all, like, what if you

862
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: could just do little trips without anyone being oppressed? That

863
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: would be an incredible world. I think that. I mean, listen,

864
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: dear President Biden, if you want to win, he's a listener.

865
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: If you want to win that that would be so

866
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 1: simple and you wouldn't even have to fulfill any of

867
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: your campaign promises. Why don't make a federally funded like

868
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: little Trips fund for gay kids? Oh my god, that

869
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 1: sounds sounds good. I want it so bad. I mean

870
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: if the gay little trips are like department Yeah, and

871
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: I like, I actually think it should be called gay

872
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: little Trip. Yeah. The least the government can do is

873
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: just give gay kids one little trip when they're like fourteen.

874
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: Oh you think a year? Okay, so you're thinking more,

875
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders, let's start the revolution. I'm kind of going

876
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,800
Speaker 1: at it more from a pet Buddha gin for mental change.

877
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: I want radical, radical, gay little trips every single year yeah.

878
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: I don't think you should have to be gay to

879
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,959
Speaker 1: go on them. No, you have to be comfortable having

880
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 1: someone think you're gay. Yeah. No, it should be like

881
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: the gay version of the Scouts, Like it's like, yeah,

882
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 1: not everyone in the Scouts is straight, but everyone has

883
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: to act straight. Like everyone in these little trips has

884
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 1: to basically yes, exactly, and at the end of every

885
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: trip there is a musical listener is gonna like call

886
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,359
Speaker 1: it an right in and me like, you know, they

887
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: actually do that in Denmark. I also to go back

888
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: one step, um your idea to have UM robots that

889
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 1: are programmed not be pedophiles. In the sci fi movie

890
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: of that UM premise, they definitely end up being pedophiles.

891
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: Which it's so sad when you program them specifically to

892
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: be one thing, to not be one thing, because it's

893
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: gonna end up being that thing. Yeah, you're really I mean,

894
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: excuse the phrase, you're really asking for it there to

895
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: program robots les. Yeah, that's really fucked up of me.

896
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: Actually I shouldn't be. What we should do is we

897
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 1: should program robots to be like super pedophiles so that

898
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 1: when they go wrong, even a single kid. Yeah, we're

899
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: thinking now, we're cooking with gas. It's really you know,

900
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 1: I maybe this is too dark story, but what I

901
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: think about boy Scouts and I think about, well, there

902
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 1: was this one assistant Scott Master who this one particular

903
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: kid would who was not his kid, would sit on

904
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: his lap all the time. And I look back at

905
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 1: that to this day, I'm not sure, Like, like with

906
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: the news of like all these like you know, all

907
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 1: these lawsuits, I'm like, was that actually like weird and bad?

908
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: Or was that just like that's why you literally you

909
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 1: can't retain any memories from childhood. Yeah, you just can't.

910
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 1: Nothing good comes out up. Yeah, I think that's right.

911
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna say goodbye to that memory and say,

912
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 1: does you know does it spark joint? Never and throw

913
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: it out by Brandon, by Evan I hope. Yeah, I

914
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: mean a good and we're never going to address that again. Beautiful,

915
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean, in less dark ways, I do feel sometimes

916
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: it's unfair that I have to remember a lot of childhood,

917
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: like part of me why to be like, okay, that

918
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: was that part of me is gone? I know, Yeah,

919
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: I mean even just remembering like this past weekend, like

920
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm kind of never looked back as my mentality. Yeah,

921
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: I want to wake up every day and forget who

922
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: I am and start from there. Yeah. Honestly, Drew Barrymore

923
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: in Fifty First States, she did not know how good

924
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 1: she had it. It was goals. Yeah, that was goals.

925
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 1: You should be so like, it's true, Are you kidding me?

926
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Waking up on a boat every day and you're, you know,

927
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: dating one of the best comedic actors of his generation.

928
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 1: What else do you want? What else do you want?

929
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: I think she also had a dog. I mean, I

930
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: don't know. She kind to me had kids too. Oh yeah,

931
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:45,479
Speaker 1: that's right. I guess that's kind of scary. It's weird

932
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: that they had kids in that movie. Yeah, yeah, that

933
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: was regarding Yeah. Well, another example of why remembering is bad.

934
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 1: We should never remember that we watched Fifty First States,

935
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: or at least the ending. We can remember that, like

936
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: we watched it at some time, Yeah, but not not

937
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:07,200
Speaker 1: not any of the problematic plot points, right right. I

938
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: think I'm all arts should be censored and we should

939
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,919
Speaker 1: only remember the positive parts. We're going to cut out

940
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: the majority of this episode. Yeah, but like fifteen minutes,

941
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, we we ended these down to just straight

942
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: shooters and no trauma. Cool. Great, right, I'm trying to think,

943
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,319
Speaker 1: I mean, any does anyone have any final thoughts on

944
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Scout culture, gender? Oh, thoughts on gender? Yeah, I think

945
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: gender is Um, it's both a pyramid and a sphere,

946
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: the two genders. Yeah, I can. I'll elaborate that on

947
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 1: that the next time. I'm but I just wanted to

948
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: throw that out there. I mean I kind of wanted

949
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 1: like one sentence on what you mean, Oh, okay, Um,

950
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,799
Speaker 1: it's it's a pyramid in the sphere atmosphere in the

951
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: same way that the great pyramids are on Earth. That

952
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,399
Speaker 1: makes complete sense, I get it. Yeah, yeah, no, no

953
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: no questions, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I guess

954
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: my concluding thoughts on boy Scouts are it's too bad,

955
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: it's traumatic. It could really we keep um dead naming

956
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: the Scouts by calling them boy scouts. There the Scouts,

957
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: and I was it's not the z Yeah, it's called

958
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: the Scouts. I think the Scouts. You get your seven

959
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 1: piercing badge. Yeah, I'm I really am just kind of like,

960
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: let's leave it in the past. Yeah, by boys Scouts

961
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: and I'll show you on gay little trips. Should we

962
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: do our final seg yeah, alright, so why not? Yeah,

963
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: I say why not? I say why not? Um grace

964
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: our final segments called shoutouts, and then um we pay

965
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: homage to the classic straight tradition of a radio shout

966
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: out sort of to anything that we enjoy in the style.

967
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: Imagine it's two one and you're in Times Square at

968
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: TRL shouting back to your squad at home. Um, just

969
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: about anything you enjoy And now, George, do you have one? Oh?

970
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: I have one? Okay, okay, what's up perverts around the globe?

971
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: I would like to give a huge, warm shout out

972
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: to the man I met at the pool named Charlie. He.

973
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: I met a sixty eight year old man at the

974
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,680
Speaker 1: y and he struck up a conversation with me because

975
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: I kept passing him because I get to feel fast

976
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: when I swim at the pool because everyone there is elderly.

977
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: And um, this man was very kind. And then it

978
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: was kind of my fantasy of someone talking to me

979
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: about like their wife while in the locker room. I

980
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: don't know why this is what I want in the world,

981
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: but I really dream of men complaining about their wives

982
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: to me while in various states of undressed Jesus Christ

983
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: becoming a parodium. So I'm normal and um this is fun,

984
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 1: and um I'm not. I'm always true to myself and

985
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: I love myself XO x o Sam. Um. Well, I

986
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: guess it's my turn. Oh you know what I this

987
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: is like, I'm just gonna do it. What's up, freaks

988
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: and geeks? My Jedd Apatow. I want to give a

989
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 1: quick shout out to James Gandolfini in Season one of

990
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: The Sopranos. Now, I have at this point mentioned that

991
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 1: I've finally, after many years of trying, began my first

992
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,000
Speaker 1: full watch with Sopranos. I've mentioned it on two episodes

993
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: of the podcast and on various social media platforms. I

994
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: am here to tell you James Gandelfoenie wearing a tank

995
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: top with his little tattoo and then taking off the

996
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: tank top and going into the pool. I have never

997
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: felt so alive as a man in my life than

998
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: watching that on my screen. He is one of the

999
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: hottest people who has ever lived, and may he rest

1000
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 1: in nothing but peace. Who wow, George doing sad right boobs,

1001
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: tubes and rubs. What's up? I don't want to give

1002
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:42,080
Speaker 1: a little shout out to my dog Artemis is Urethra

1003
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 1: for being able to piss just a little bit on

1004
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 1: our bead, like being able to control the piss enough

1005
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: to only do a little splash to be like, hey,

1006
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: you were paying attention to me, or why are you

1007
01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: going back to New York? Mommy? Uh? Because she what

1008
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 1: was it two nights ago? Yeah, I guess two nights ago.

1009
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: Me and my partner we're packing while my partner was

1010
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: helping me pack. Very kind of them. They didn't need

1011
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: to help up my being. They're helping me pack to

1012
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: go to New York. And I realized that already had

1013
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: had pete just such a like a perfect amount. So

1014
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 1: it was like a four inch little circle of p

1015
01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: on the comforter and it didn't even go through the comforter,

1016
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: so we were able to just throw that in the wash.

1017
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 1: It was just like so nice. I mean, like I

1018
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: wish she hadn't pissed, but it was cool of her

1019
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: to like just piss a little bit. Yeah, you know,

1020
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: that's a shout out to Artemis and seeing a little bit,

1021
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,440
Speaker 1: it's like a little warning shot. I mean, that's you know,

1022
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: that's intelligence that most animals don't have. Mm hmm. Yeah.

1023
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 1: Also shout out to my partner for for actually being

1024
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: the one who realized that piss was there before we

1025
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: put anything on top of its helpful shout out of

1026
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: the whole family. Out to the whole family. Yeah, well, Grace,

1027
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: this has been an absolute joy. I think we've all

1028
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 1: trauma dumped and we're never looking back again our childhoods.

1029
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: I think we can now close the book on all

1030
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: of our childhoods after this episode. So I hope I brought.

1031
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: I hope I met you. You absolutely did. I felt

1032
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 1: comfortable like I was. My biggest fear is when a

1033
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: guest doesn't have things to say and I have to

1034
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: fill the silence and then I'm forced to sound stupid,

1035
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: and luckily that didn't happen in this episode, and I

1036
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: sounded Yeah. I definitely was the one who sounded stupid.

1037
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: It was no, no, no, no, no no. But this

1038
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: is incredible, This is great. So I rarely, I rarely,

1039
01:02:57,040 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: I rarely get so hung over anymore. And I'm I'm

1040
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: glad that I was able to line up for the

1041
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: recording to this podcast. It's good. It's good to have magic. Luckily, Luckily,

1042
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 1: now that it has happened. It's in the past, and

1043
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: we're never looking back on it again and not releasing

1044
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,240
Speaker 1: this episode ever. In fact, alright, sounds good. Well, thank

1045
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: you for having me on YouTube. Thank you