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Speaker 2: DJ Scream my special guest today, representing a lot of hits,
Speaker 2: a lot of hits, a lot of hits.
Speaker 1: You got a book call behind the hits. Just give
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Speaker 2: A drummer boy on Big Facts today.
Speaker 1: What's up? What's up?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: What's up? Drummer man? Welcome, welcome, long time coming. How
Speaker 1: you're doing? How you doing? Man? Listens, man, blessed man.
Speaker 1: Good today today, I'm Big Facts.
Speaker 2: By the time we get to the end of this,
Speaker 2: we will be popping it with you, for you, however
Speaker 2: you want to do it. So let's just let's just
Speaker 2: do this rundown and some of these hits before we
Speaker 2: get to talking about books and stories and behind the scenes.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's started in Memphis.
Speaker 3: They think, you know, a lot of people think I'm
Speaker 3: from Atlanta, but it started for me in Memphis at
Speaker 3: the gate.
Speaker 1: Yo, got it?
Speaker 3: When you see me, shoty, pop your collar, then you holler, desk,
Speaker 3: what's up?
Speaker 1: What up? Drama? A what up? Mama? I went to Teylor.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We did the Tennessee Titans anthem. A lot of people
Speaker 3: don't know the Titans came to Memphis first. When they came,
Speaker 3: we did an anthem form I being unifying the city
Speaker 3: for Hateta Yo, gott it against the boat, Teylor Maroue
Speaker 3: and Slice Tee Little Brother all on the same track.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Tennessee twenty three's I Keep it Clean Maine, Tennessee in Atlanta,
Speaker 3: good good ad. You know what I'm saying from Taylor
Speaker 3: passed a truck callin Nigga.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: First song I did for him strip club, So I
Speaker 2: think he said that here somewhere. So so try was
Speaker 2: your first Atlanta or Georgia?
Speaker 1: Yeah? First, that was eight thousand, four thousand to beat.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. There off in this game,
Speaker 1: and I did Pop.
Speaker 3: There puss it make him get that money right, making
Speaker 3: goet that money strip club anthem.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, You gotta pay me. You
Speaker 1: know after get it. I'm nineteen. I ain't even all
Speaker 1: enough to get in the strip club.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I plug up with my
Speaker 3: manager Squeak. You know I met him through insame way.
Speaker 3: I r peat big Bro, I met Jazzy Fade. Noontime
Speaker 3: the whole era started doing shit with Jody Breeze and
Speaker 3: they're stacking paper with Slim Thug. Then Block calling nigga
Speaker 3: like man, you know we got a group drum.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. No, we got a group
Speaker 1: boy in the hood. Now I got g I got mine,
Speaker 1: Joe de Bree, big dude, gee, all of them. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Pull up? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: pull up? Or do look and I do trap niggas.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Jeez and Joe de Bree
Speaker 1: going back conversation, Jesus go solo. I do standing ovation.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: At the gate, first patinum Platte, then we do White Girl,
Speaker 3: the Implies call I do Shaty feature in t Pain,
Speaker 3: then Rocco Caller, do I'm gonna do me? Drake collin
Speaker 3: the Blue, I do money to Blow just before he
Speaker 3: was even getting into the music, So you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Two chain call. I'm running around. I'm getting it.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, August, I've seen no love
Speaker 3: feature Nigga Minaj. So it's really been just about the
Speaker 3: phone call man and delivering.
Speaker 4: Well, let me ask a question, right, So, since you
Speaker 4: just talked about Rocko, do people ever confuse you for him?
Speaker 1: Because y'all nigga just like Man, I get this shit much.
Speaker 1: I just rock right old. I get this so much.
Speaker 3: His grandmama Cherokee. You know what I'm saying, We got
Speaker 3: an Indian in our family. So her grandmama Cherokeey, my
Speaker 3: grandmama Cherokee. Maybe it's something to do with that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We can thought everybody call
Speaker 1: it cuk he with everybody.
Speaker 2: Uh, we'll be seeing these crazy numbers like producers cashing
Speaker 2: out of their catalogs. That's some ship you think about doing,
Speaker 2: or you might.
Speaker 3: Do crazy evaluation on my catalog. Okay, but I'm not
Speaker 3: thinking about selling. So I was just curious as to
Speaker 3: what my ship would you mean?
Speaker 1: Tell me, ain't no number that drummer can hear? That'll
Speaker 1: make him? Man?
Speaker 3: I see, I like what Metro did. He sold a
Speaker 3: portion of his catalog still walking away with about you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, something like that, you know, fifty
Speaker 3: fifty up, you know what I'm saying, But a portion
Speaker 3: is like he still maintained some of that, still get
Speaker 3: to enjoy some of the money while you are alive.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you only live once. You know you might
Speaker 3: not see that one hundred million until you ninety.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Your kids and your kids
Speaker 1: kids will be able to eat. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But you know you want to.
Speaker 3: You want to be able to invest in and do
Speaker 3: some things while you while you're young.
Speaker 1: For show.
Speaker 2: So it's about it's a thought. Okay, Yeah, well you
Speaker 2: got enough. We got a lot to think about it,
Speaker 2: which is a good thing.
Speaker 1: Heavy that's like a dissertation.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, So you made all your meats yourself, or
Speaker 5: you got the team or how you do it?
Speaker 3: Man, I got all my beats myself. No hands, I
Speaker 3: made in front of the whole room. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. I put on fifty percent, no hands, fifty percent.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do meet fifty percent here right, I am
Speaker 3: Rick Ross.
Speaker 1: Here, I am I got a lot of dollars my
Speaker 1: own got that shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We take a nigga from a T shirt to a
Speaker 3: TUXI though, you know what I'm saying straight up, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's about the fashion, it's about the look, it's about
Speaker 1: the vision, the whole package. With me, I ain't just
Speaker 1: no beat maker. There's no hands, just just keeping the ribs.
Speaker 1: No hands. Your biggest record, that's Diamond, ain't no bigger damon.
Speaker 1: There you go walking walking cold as a single.
Speaker 3: Like you would hear about albums going down, but it's
Speaker 3: rare you hear a single go down. This one song,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, all produced by me. Everybody
Speaker 3: who's in the studio session might shut out to Gucci
Speaker 3: man because it was really a celebration for him coming home.
Speaker 3: Was that supposed to be a Gucci beat first though? No,
Speaker 3: I was doing abnormal. Gucci had the a room, so
Speaker 3: Gucci he just getting out of jail. He ain't got
Speaker 3: time for you to make no beat from scrap.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I need you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 3: already had a folder with Walk and Bam. The first
Speaker 3: time we did was the first day out. Then we
Speaker 3: did anything I do ab normal normal, everything I do
Speaker 3: abnormal bound he in the studio dropping it jeer the
Speaker 3: a room.
Speaker 1: All my equipment plugged up in the b room. So
Speaker 1: I walked back in the b room.
Speaker 3: It's yl A recing Roscoe uh Lord Banks, man, everybody,
Speaker 3: it's a party, everybody you know, just liqual were turning up.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Gucci just came home, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So, Bam, I go in the room.
Speaker 1: I can't barely I could barely even touch my keyboard.
Speaker 3: Or it was about fifty people anybody who's been in
Speaker 3: the password b room, you know how small and gonna
Speaker 3: pack their motherfucker probably forty fifty people in them off
Speaker 3: for I hit them.
Speaker 1: It made never like what and I just cooked up
Speaker 1: the beat.
Speaker 3: Bam and Roscoe Dash was literally like one of the
Speaker 3: only people paying attention. Everybody else will partying, talking, toasting,
Speaker 3: talking shit woo.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I see Roscoe Dash over like, I'm like, what you
Speaker 3: got bro? The bo you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: this ain't my session though, man in the boot. As
Speaker 3: soon as the man opened up his mouth on his mic.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, girl, drop it to the flow.
Speaker 1: I love the booty.
Speaker 3: Literally everybody female started dancing.
Speaker 1: Ooh what's this?
Speaker 3: Once the female jump on it right, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, walker like, And you know, it was just
Speaker 3: a moment, you know what I'm saying. It just came
Speaker 3: about while we was partying and kicking it, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So I think once you put the
Speaker 3: egos aside, won't nobody talking about no money and how
Speaker 3: much I'm getting paid.
Speaker 1: For the beat or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It was just a moment where we're just in there,
Speaker 3: cooking and just doing what we do best, and shit,
Speaker 3: we got greatness.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: One of the coolest thing about producers is that y'all
Speaker 2: got the stories. Y'all got all the stories. So in
Speaker 2: your in your comfort or outside of your comfort zone,
Speaker 2: give us one of them stories drawing like one of
Speaker 2: them crazy stories from the studio or man or some shit.
Speaker 1: Like the craziest story. And for me, this she just
Speaker 1: mat still.
Speaker 3: I could think about it, like yesterday I go out
Speaker 3: to Miami fucking with Gucci producing. You know, everybody like man,
Speaker 3: we can't.
Speaker 1: Get Gucca to record.
Speaker 3: We can't get Kuca to record, so they fly me
Speaker 3: go out here fuck with Gucci. I did like maybe
Speaker 3: four five beats.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He picked some beats. Blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: Man, he give me the bread for the beats and everything,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And Ship, I'm like, Nigga.
Speaker 3: We in Miami just today. I really want to stay longer.
Speaker 3: But what the flight that they booked me on booked
Speaker 3: me to go back to the airport photo shooting. This
Speaker 3: one we did a mouthful of gold photo shoot was
Speaker 3: one of the first time we did. That's another sport,
Speaker 3: but in this particular moment, we did Ferrari boys.
Speaker 1: Oh fucking mouthful of goals. I'm working. It's right before
Speaker 1: the return of Missus six and man, we in the lab.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The line that did all the music. We probably did
Speaker 3: out three folk songs. I'm going to wait to the airport.
Speaker 3: I get to the airport, Gucci called my phone, like, John,
Speaker 3: where you at. I'm like, sh I'm at the airport
Speaker 3: on you booked me to fly back to it, so
Speaker 3: you just gonna leave You're just gonna leave it now.
Speaker 3: You just I mean, you're just gonna leave Miami like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, you booked the ticket, gucciy. I ain't trying
Speaker 3: to leave Miami. Sh I come right back right now, Yeah, John,
Speaker 3: come on back, bring the money with you.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, it's gonna leave. You're just gonna leave
Speaker 1: me like that. Damn here. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Bring the money with Yeah, bring the money.
Speaker 3: So so so, I ain't gonna say the amount, but
Speaker 3: I didn't already made three bank stops because I ain't
Speaker 3: gonna get on the plane, so I don't. I didn't
Speaker 3: put something over in the bank over here, and then
Speaker 3: put something over the bang over here, and put something
Speaker 3: in the bank over here.
Speaker 1: Get to the airport, guta like, man, where you at?
Speaker 3: No, No, you ain't finna leave. Come on back, bring
Speaker 3: the money with you. So there, I stopped bagging the
Speaker 3: bank pulled it back out. Stop of the other bank.
Speaker 1: Pulled it back out. Stop the other bank pulled it
Speaker 1: bag out.
Speaker 3: Get to the studio, Get to the were the cabana
Speaker 3: were staying at the cabana.
Speaker 1: Full bedroom, John, I got a bedroom. Anything drum playing.
Speaker 1: I just want you to.
Speaker 3: I just want you to, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Stay long, man, cook up some more ship. So literally
Speaker 3: we finished the whole return of Missus six, as well
Speaker 3: as a few songs for walking and whatnot.
Speaker 1: But that ship was just like what finish? Say what
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I ain't out the Beatles,
Speaker 3: just somebody I might have left a sound out anything.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what the fuck going on? That ship was
Speaker 3: crazy and we you know what I'm saying. That was
Speaker 3: during the period where Bro, I think somebody slipped the
Speaker 3: mickey and drink.
Speaker 1: It's just all kind of little ship going on.
Speaker 3: So couldn't nobody get Brother record and it and it
Speaker 3: gets some of the music out of him.
Speaker 1: I think I love you know what I'm saying, some
Speaker 1: of them songs. It's just like classic.
Speaker 3: Like as a producer, a lot of people don't understand
Speaker 3: what we gotta do, how hard we gotta work outside
Speaker 3: of making the beats. So we might have to go
Speaker 3: to a strip club get in the right move for
Speaker 3: the song were about to make it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I got to listen to his whole life story about
Speaker 3: him and his girl and what they going through and
Speaker 3: we figured out a way to put it into me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know what I'm saying. But that was
Speaker 1: that was one of the craziest moments right there. Who
Speaker 1: would you put yourself with? You know how.
Speaker 5: When they put you with an artist as a producer, like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's that's who they made, Like that's Peanut Butter. Who
Speaker 5: would you put yourself with? Man? That's tough, right, Darren Man,
Speaker 5: Because I'm like that with everybody. It's just about how
Speaker 5: consistent they are.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I wish I could have
Speaker 1: done that more with Roco, Me and Roco.
Speaker 3: Just the chemistry what we was making first song I'm
Speaker 3: Gonna Do Me, followed by Tomorrow Snakes, I did the
Speaker 3: whole album pretty much, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 3: just the chemistry.
Speaker 1: How hard the Streets was on us.
Speaker 3: I say, east Side Jody too, that's my nigga, my
Speaker 3: dog for life. I was out here rocking the free
Speaker 3: tokat Ike shirts. You know what I'm saying, Like east
Speaker 3: Side Jody's just the chemistry we had and what we
Speaker 3: was doing for the streets, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Classic of course, Gucci h I fucked with you know,
Speaker 3: Gucci and daff.
Speaker 1: Like the same person to me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: They boach it, man, they gonna ask you what you
Speaker 3: want to eat, what we're gonna eat. We're gonna get
Speaker 3: fool before the sision and smoking down and just have fun.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of laughing and jokes and talking shit,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So you man, I rock peat Dolph. You know, me
Speaker 1: and Dog got a lot of legendary shit too. Who
Speaker 1: worked the hardest man, who worked the hardest man that
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of.
Speaker 3: Me and Jesus ship was just on meet and grease.
Speaker 3: It'll be like I pull up at the at the
Speaker 3: at the sheer gas station and get him a CD
Speaker 3: and then he gone. So I never really saw Jezy
Speaker 3: work process like that. But I would say it's a
Speaker 3: hard between Gucci and Dag, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But I will put I will say this though, God,
Speaker 3: they one hell of a work, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Just how he didn't just songs and songs and songs
Speaker 3: and songs and songs and songs and songs and songs
Speaker 3: like and and learn how to market and develop and
Speaker 3: move and operate a business, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: and turn their hunted into almost one hundred.
Speaker 5: Vie, how you managed like stay out in the middle
Speaker 5: of but be in the middle like Jesus and could
Speaker 5: be into a dolphin and god, it could be into it,
Speaker 5: but you still work with everybody all at the same
Speaker 5: time in the.
Speaker 1: Height of it, Like how you I am Memphis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can't represent one half of anything number one,
Speaker 3: number two, that's between what y'all got going on.
Speaker 1: I'm just the business man. I'm just the dope boy,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Even like with Jesz and Gucca, Like how niggas niggas
Speaker 5: like didn't get in their feeling like, man, fuck me
Speaker 5: Forcusus to how they probably do other niggas.
Speaker 1: What you think you did to make niggas be like
Speaker 1: what ship bro? You fuck with him for? With me?
Speaker 1: We fuck with you. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I think it's really how I handle my business and
Speaker 3: the importance of me and my spirit my soul, like
Speaker 3: niggas need me. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 3: I'm uplifting a nigga. I'm I'm I'm your coach and
Speaker 3: so to speak. So it's almost like what you're gonna
Speaker 3: do to Phil Jackson. You know what I'm saying. You're
Speaker 3: gonna get mad at him. You gonna have problems with him.
Speaker 3: You see him doing what he do with COVID.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But but come on, Mike,
Speaker 1: that ain't you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like this, This is what I do is co coach,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, and develop and uplifting, enhands
Speaker 3: and motivate and bring us together something This some shit y'all.
Speaker 1: Had going on.
Speaker 3: When I met y'all, y'all was cool. When I met
Speaker 3: God in Dolphin, I came up with got It, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Daph was nine or ten when
Speaker 3: I was doing That's what's up for got It, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So when when I first seen
Speaker 3: y'all together, Damn, y'all was cool. So a lot of that, really,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like a big part of it too, is just
Speaker 1: that you just stayed out of it, meaning us in.
Speaker 3: You gotta know how to move for show. I'm definitely
Speaker 3: not rocking niggas changed.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It could have been a time where I could have
Speaker 3: got seem changed or I need change. The same for
Speaker 3: Dolphins and paper Rock change. But I'm always been rocking
Speaker 3: DSR and Drum Squad did is Pete Drum Squad Productions.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I always had my own movement and this is what
Speaker 3: we got going on. We're gonna do business with y'all, nigga.
Speaker 3: This is what we got going on. We're gonna do
Speaker 3: business with ya nigga. Same with J Prince.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. J Prince had a bag
Speaker 1: on the table before a nigga.
Speaker 3: Man have signed a rap a lot, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, and put them rap a lot of chains on.
Speaker 1: But man, man, I fuck with you, bro. I fuck
Speaker 1: with too many people. Man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like college. I ain't finna this fret wanting nigga,
Speaker 3: This fret wanting nigga. This's fret wanting nigga. I'm cool
Speaker 3: with all y'all the varsity basketball team wanting nigga. I'm
Speaker 3: getting too much money to play basketball. I had D one,
Speaker 3: D two scholarship. You know what I'm saying, could have
Speaker 3: played football, could have ran track. Like, Bro, I see
Speaker 3: this money. This money ain't got no no no emotions.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying. So the emotional who you
Speaker 1: fuck with? Who? You? You can't talk to me about that?
Speaker 1: And that's why.
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody that your place to get in that? Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it ain't your place to talk to me about it?
Speaker 3: Right what you're gonna say to me?
Speaker 1: I'm nigga, know what I do? Gucci? What's what's that
Speaker 1: player about? Gucci? Like, hey, drum, I ain't gonna lie
Speaker 1: drawn my nigga of this Jesus straight up.
Speaker 3: Like that's how funny Gua Like I put on I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't run from it. Like here where I go,
Speaker 3: they playing.
Speaker 1: I put on drunk. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Even when I'm in the club, it's like like Gucci
Speaker 3: funny like off the same way.
Speaker 1: So you know what I'm saying, Like, niggas keep it playing.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm built from some different you know what I'm saying, Man,
Speaker 3: I repeat in same way.
Speaker 1: Man, I learned so much from my big bro. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We fuck with who?
Speaker 3: Fucked with us, the niggas who fuck with me, So
Speaker 3: you got an issue. I can't cook that nigga.
Speaker 1: I just cooked with you. I got going on and
Speaker 1: the nigga.
Speaker 3: Being real and lord of me paying all the time
Speaker 3: you feel then y'all come around to be cool.
Speaker 1: And now I'm looking like exactly, Yeah, it'll never go
Speaker 1: down with me like that. Yeah, I agree that they
Speaker 1: said anything else when I got big.
Speaker 2: Another thing, man, you always keep like you, you move
Speaker 2: and you never in the blog or tabloid nothing like
Speaker 2: we we We're not gonna know who drummer dating, none
Speaker 2: of that ship like how you flying to the radar.
Speaker 3: Here I'll be posting my girl. Now you see who
Speaker 3: I'm dating. If you go through my Instagram, I shut
Speaker 3: the eye for sure.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying as a whole, you never kind
Speaker 2: of you're You're always into mixing you outside, but you'll
Speaker 2: never be in no bullshit. I guess that's what I'm saying. Man,
Speaker 2: you just gotta keep it real with yourself. Man, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like I made a promise with myself at thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 3: I understood my purpose and I always said that I'm
Speaker 3: gonna serve the Lord in a way and spread.
Speaker 1: The love because that's the gift that he gave me
Speaker 1: to bless people.
Speaker 3: I'm good with just getting with the cruel people, telling
Speaker 3: them what they need to do with woo woo woo.
Speaker 1: And I can just I don't know, I just got
Speaker 1: to give for this shit. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I can feel a nigga spirit. I can tell a.
Speaker 3: Nigga, I for a nigga real if a nigga woo
Speaker 3: just by your justice, just the fact you don't want
Speaker 3: to look me in my eye, you who might have
Speaker 3: something going on.
Speaker 1: The woo wo. So I try to help us, save us,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and bring us together. Say bro,
Speaker 1: this shit possible for you. I started making music, nigga,
Speaker 1: I had every option in the in the in the
Speaker 1: in the in the world. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I had every woman I want it in the world.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Just on keeping it a
Speaker 3: buck with who I am and keeping it play up.
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. A lot of niggas want
Speaker 3: to be something that they ain't. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I ain't never came at you like I'm the gangster.
Speaker 3: I'm now, don't play with this shiit though. You see
Speaker 3: what I'm saying it it's morals like we had street code,
Speaker 3: we had motherfucking integrity. You know what I mean with
Speaker 3: how we came up seeing Isaac Hayes and glad as
Speaker 3: night in the living room when I wake up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But they treating her just
Speaker 1: like they treat my mom or we in the church.
Speaker 3: Everybody either brother or sister, sister, Jenkins, brother Johns, and
Speaker 3: Da Da Da da dah. So I treat the whole
Speaker 3: world kind of like the church. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We all equal, we all pumped the same blood. I'm
Speaker 3: not finna walk around like I'm bigger than you or
Speaker 3: look at you like you're bigger than me. When I
Speaker 3: met jay Z, I looked at him like, Damn, this
Speaker 3: shit possible. When I met doctor Dre or Man Kanye
Speaker 3: or whoever. You know what I'm saying, I look at
Speaker 3: them nigga like man, this shit possible. I don't look
Speaker 3: at them like superstars or celebrities, you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's just a way a Nigga moved, and you
Speaker 3: know that's that's you know what I'm saying, The cloth
Speaker 3: for a nigga.
Speaker 5: Cut from like by you being a veteran OG in
Speaker 5: the game producer, wish the like new artist you like
Speaker 5: shit I get, I get shouted at juice.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. That's popping right now? Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Twenty one, sevente twenty one. I love twenty one man,
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying. It just the respect
Speaker 3: he got for Memphis and the ship he be talking like.
Speaker 3: We just ain't he don't know me.
Speaker 1: I don't know him like that. We ain't never wene met,
Speaker 1: But it ain't never been a lock in or a
Speaker 1: studio time or opportunity to present whatever. What the fuck
Speaker 1: I do? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But it'll be twenty one that nigga hardest ship and
Speaker 3: he depending on auto tune.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know what I'm saying. It's raw. It's
Speaker 1: that I want the raw ship. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: The raw and uncut. You know what I mean. That's
Speaker 1: that's for sure. I think y'all cook us ship real.
Speaker 2: Yeah for five on forward, man, it was two names
Speaker 2: if he was coming through it through Atlanta, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And I did a bunch of them
Speaker 2: takes with her, a lot of classic music, but it's
Speaker 2: two names and directed back a little bit to what
Speaker 2: we was talking about before we got on talking about
Speaker 2: versus and ship.
Speaker 1: You know every rapper Bank, I think you get something
Speaker 1: from both of them.
Speaker 2: Wanted a drummer and or Ton just talk about the
Speaker 2: drummer boys Ay toven relationship a little bit.
Speaker 3: Man, That's that's my nigga for all this time, I
Speaker 3: thought was younger than me. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I just turned forty. I didn't even know they were
Speaker 3: like you just got that. Yeah, But I was like
Speaker 3: in a game, I think a little earlier than say.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. But just Zay coming from
Speaker 1: the church, he understand musicianship.
Speaker 3: So we got to respect for each other just on
Speaker 3: the music side, like he appreciated she really understand the
Speaker 3: music theory and appreciation for music.
Speaker 1: So you know, just on that have cooked up a
Speaker 1: beat together. Yeah, you just posted this ship. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I started a way cop producers way producer's way that
Speaker 3: you know, just for us, unifying us.
Speaker 1: We collabed. We do beat battles.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, o iselves different sounds and
Speaker 3: kids because it's been False and Food Gates and Druma
Speaker 3: Boy kids on the web for ten twenty years. So
Speaker 3: I was like, man, let me take over that and
Speaker 3: started putting official kits out. So that's what produced a
Speaker 3: wave about But man, we make beats.
Speaker 1: We did a lot of shit. We did that burn
Speaker 1: for Curtis and patch work that had passed with True
Speaker 1: and all of them.
Speaker 3: It was a Tamika Mallory and and uh, what's what's
Speaker 3: the George Floyd when that happened.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We did a song, But
Speaker 1: we do a lot of positive ship for the community
Speaker 1: as what is for the streets. What you think of
Speaker 1: having this is friendly talkers. The respect is there. If
Speaker 1: y'all had to get into verses and get competitive what
Speaker 1: you think of happened?
Speaker 3: Man, we did that honestly at the b and my
Speaker 3: A lot of people was there, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Drumma Boy versus a Toba, My brother was there, DJ
Speaker 3: Kilo was there, DJ a Infamous was there. H Man,
Speaker 3: it was it was a fun moment. Man, it was
Speaker 3: really a history lesson. Man, wake people up because a
Speaker 3: lot of.
Speaker 1: People like you did that. Yeah you did? I see why? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You might be you know, you forget a lot of
Speaker 3: times you ain't keeping up with the tag, or I
Speaker 3: might just took the tag off just to not be
Speaker 3: so redundant, you know what i mean.
Speaker 1: So it might be some ship that I ain't got
Speaker 1: a nigga tag and I'm sitting back, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Especially having multiple songs on
Speaker 3: the album, it's like you got to listen to the
Speaker 3: track and listen to the track, listen like you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So at some point you got to change it up.
Speaker 1: Did David invent the producer tag? No? Hell no, that
Speaker 1: was just my nigga jay goom man. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Who was the first person to have a
Speaker 1: producer tag? I don't know that that'll be Arguably it
Speaker 1: was somebody that'll.
Speaker 3: Be arguing two three six was doing this ship from
Speaker 3: the get go. They letting you know who they is
Speaker 3: from the get beginning. They tagged with.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So that's where we get it from. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm your tag came from who my nigga ja?
Speaker 3: So we in the studio. I was actually the first
Speaker 3: gangster GRIBs that I did was Blackout Music, Fiona some Mo.
Speaker 1: Rob Jackson, Charlie Hustle, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And uh, man, I'm out there, God damn in the
Speaker 3: in the and I was like, man, the only thing
Speaker 3: I need in Atlanta was just put me in the crib.
Speaker 3: I talked to CEO, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 3: they put me in this crib out of Henry County,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, And Bam, we get doing
Speaker 3: the whole project.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Whoo, and end up finishing the whole mixtape that we
Speaker 3: got there and ran through gainst the grill, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. And just that project, that that one
Speaker 3: project put a nigga in relationships and in places that
Speaker 3: I never would have thought.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: From the from the from the Fiona side, from Rob Jackson,
Speaker 3: just being in Atlanta, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: that's really what put me in position to get the
Speaker 3: get the get a little three bedroom crib out here.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, And bam, it's just man
Speaker 3: relationships moving around, networking politic.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You gotta you gotta bet
Speaker 1: on you man with this ship. I bet on me.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I know I'm finna generate the money. I know I'm
Speaker 3: finna what I'm finna put on the table. So you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, It's just like taking one bag,
Speaker 3: putting back into myself, taking another bag, putting back into myself,
Speaker 3: taking another bed, putting some putting back into myself to
Speaker 3: the point where I seen six figures in the bank.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, one hundred fifty two hundred
Speaker 3: three hundred. To keep running that ship up, Buy some
Speaker 3: more equipment, Stay in tune with the technology.
Speaker 1: This ship uh.
Speaker 3: Trending over from analog to digital, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: keeping the software and all the equipment.
Speaker 1: Up to date. Like you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: think that's that's the secret for real. Which producer you.
Speaker 5: Seem like you know when you already on you look
Speaker 5: back you see the nig coming up and be like
Speaker 5: oh yeah, he he he wont the ones he like.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like, you see some ship
Speaker 1: they doing, like, damn, I ain't think of that. He
Speaker 1: changed the game with that one.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Man, this is so repetitive
Speaker 3: right now, I'm trying to think in my generation, the
Speaker 3: people who were making bets who I really like. It
Speaker 3: was like, okay, the way they catalog was going. As
Speaker 3: far as they versus ship, I was like, my Justice League,
Speaker 3: them niggas got them. Niggas had some like maybe maybe,
Speaker 3: and they all play musicians, they all play instruments. So
Speaker 3: to me, it was like my Justice League was like
Speaker 3: more of a threat, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 3: my they my niggas, they got the club on lock.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was like, Okay, the
Speaker 1: club cool.
Speaker 3: The money that I'm making on the back end ain't
Speaker 3: ain't the way I see it compared to this radio shit.
Speaker 3: When I make these radio records like a No Love August,
Speaker 3: I've seen the Nigga minage or no Hands or you
Speaker 3: know what I mean I put on for my city
Speaker 3: or even Shortyplies or even look at my damn. He
Speaker 3: goes like it's a different kind of money.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When that shit doing three four five million, it's cool
Speaker 3: to have a club on lot, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But man, I need to back again what you do with.
Speaker 2: Two niggas on the same beat and they're really passionate
Speaker 2: about getting that beat?
Speaker 1: I know the answer. Yeah, that was standing Ovation.
Speaker 3: So we can take it back to the stand Innovation
Speaker 3: stage and the first time that I actually met Gucci's
Speaker 3: crazy store. So this when Gucci just came back from Birmingham,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, or Montgomery. He was in
Speaker 3: Montgomery Burn, I think Birmingham. He had just came back
Speaker 3: out there for a minute. He in the office waiting
Speaker 3: on Big Cat.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I pull up BIGK, owe
Speaker 1: me some money for a beat that I sold Young Sneak.
Speaker 1: Everybody like, man, who you sold the original standing Ovation beat?
Speaker 1: Big K had an artist named Young Sneak.
Speaker 3: So Bam, that was the first original stand Innovation So
Speaker 3: to him, I don't even think he released the song ever.
Speaker 1: Put the shit out, you know what I mean? So Bam.
Speaker 3: Six months later after I engaged Jeez the City with
Speaker 3: that same beat on it, you know, because that's how
Speaker 3: we market our beats.
Speaker 1: You beat, Yeah, you gotta be all right, first come,
Speaker 1: first service. Yeah, and then by the time. And that's
Speaker 1: what's crazy. Young sne ain't even had no hit or
Speaker 1: the someone put out.
Speaker 3: But that's how much I'm about my integrity, about my reputation,
Speaker 3: about my name. Like I came in the game, I
Speaker 3: earned respect first before making money, before doing anything else.
Speaker 3: Niggas respected me. You ain't finna paint. No nigga, you
Speaker 3: don't respect you know what I'm saying. So for me,
Speaker 3: it ain't money power respect. It was it was respect.
Speaker 1: Then the money come, then you've become powerful. So bet
Speaker 1: so what we're talking about the beat?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, so standing ovation bet the original beat.
Speaker 3: That's all the young snead. So Damn I see uh
Speaker 3: I see. Six months later, I see a phone call
Speaker 3: from Giz. I got like fifteen minutes called from Jesus
Speaker 3: and coach K. You know what I'm saying, I'm on
Speaker 3: the halo. I'm on the box for a little sick
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Fucking off, Bamn, like damn,
Speaker 3: get to the phone, Damn, let me fuck.
Speaker 1: Let me call Coach K. First, coll Coach K. Hey, man,
Speaker 1: you need to call Jesus. Bro.
Speaker 3: It's a beat on the album and it's Doug motivation
Speaker 3: one on one. You know what I'm saying the street time, Yeah,
Speaker 3: all that ship out. This is the hardest nigga coming
Speaker 3: out of Linda. And you want to be on his album?
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So bamn. I called Jesus. Jesus like, hey, what up?
Speaker 1: What up? Though? Man? Ship? What's up with this beat?
Speaker 1: And I was like, Ship, I don't play it for me?
Speaker 1: I probably got it. He played me, played me to
Speaker 1: beat my stomach sung. I'm like, oh damn sh Jesus,
Speaker 1: I saw that motherfucker. Bro. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: ain't nothing. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like a pound of the work, bro, Sit doest
Speaker 3: I can't get nothing. They smoke that ship up, that
Speaker 3: ship gone whatever. How I gonna get it back?
Speaker 1: Shent tell them.
Speaker 3: Nigga were gonna give them a hundred thousand. He was like,
Speaker 3: man ten twenty fifty, that might win all with the hundred,
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand. Swear to god, I paid him hundy
Speaker 3: down for this beat.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. He was talking about, Man,
Speaker 1: I got jay Z on the beat and everything on
Speaker 1: them all the man.
Speaker 3: So look, I'm like, bro, listen, man, what's crazy is
Speaker 3: that I've been telling this nigga. Man I started making
Speaker 3: beats off of acapella. So that was like a challenge, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's the song on the radio. Let me see if
Speaker 3: I can make a big beat better than that. Let
Speaker 3: me see if I can make it be better than that.
Speaker 3: So every time I seen him and Coach K, like
Speaker 3: the six times prior to that, every time I see him,
Speaker 3: I'll be like, bro, give me some acapellas. Bro, give
Speaker 3: me some acapellas. Bro, give me some acapella. So you're
Speaker 3: gonna cook around, Yeah, I'm a I'm a tailor. Make
Speaker 3: the soup around you and make it sound like you.
Speaker 3: You spit this ship in the bo That's hard, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So big now it's an opportunity
Speaker 3: where you gotta give me the acapellas. But he like, man,
Speaker 3: all all right, I'm gonna hit you back. I already
Speaker 3: know what he did. He sent it to another producer.
Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say the name. He probably say into
Speaker 3: another another. Producers go to producers. They couldn't come up
Speaker 3: with nothing, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So he called me back.
Speaker 3: He said, Man, listen, I turned into album in the morning.
Speaker 3: So you know I can't send you this. I can't
Speaker 3: email you this record.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm say. Because he and I already
Speaker 1: went through.
Speaker 3: The album leaked ship. You know that album ended up
Speaker 3: getting leaked, you know what I'm saying. So, like shit,
Speaker 3: you got to pull up and he was at passwork.
Speaker 1: I'm in Stone Mountain. I just got the three bedroom crib,
Speaker 1: brought my brother, brought Swizzle, my other producer down here
Speaker 1: and everything. You know what I'm saying. So I like,
Speaker 1: she I bet I'll be down there.
Speaker 3: And I probably had like one hundred dollars in my
Speaker 3: pocket at the time, rent paid food.
Speaker 1: And the frieze. You know what I'm saying. Got a
Speaker 1: little gas. They gas from Stone Mountain to the passwork.
Speaker 1: That ship ain't no hope, little chunk out of the ship.
Speaker 1: I get to god damn passwork for real, straight up, I.
Speaker 3: Get to the studio. I got damn get the a cappella.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Man, Jesus said a few words.
Speaker 1: He was like, man, you come through for me on
Speaker 1: this one. Shit, I got you.
Speaker 3: We're gonna do a lot of ship together, straight upright,
Speaker 3: drive back to the crib. I do a first version remake,
Speaker 3: take it back to him. He's like, man, you know
Speaker 3: how nigga be strong on their first beat. Nigga be like, Man,
Speaker 3: that ain't it, Bro, that ain't And I'm not finna
Speaker 3: make no be identical to yeah feeling. So I got
Speaker 3: damn go back, do another beat. Come back, Man, that's closer.
Speaker 3: That's closer. Eating up, I gotta put a little twin.
Speaker 3: Let me make it back out here, mine and ship Nigga.
Speaker 3: The whole ride home, I'm like, fuck this ship.
Speaker 1: I had to do my research. I had to really
Speaker 1: like as a producer. That's how I learned how to
Speaker 1: study your artists. I listened to the whole streets is watching.
Speaker 1: I listened to the whole trap of yeah you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. The one thing I noticed horns. Trumpets.
Speaker 1: He got the horns in.
Speaker 3: Every fucking song, Like God, damn this niggas mind you
Speaker 3: gotta do. Put horns in the beat. Jesus gonna go crack.
Speaker 3: So that's the first sound I went to.
Speaker 1: Damn. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Once that sh sounded good with the beginning of that.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that she sounds good on him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: the riskmal fucking history. I took this ship back.
Speaker 1: I played this ship. That was the first time I
Speaker 1: heard z and Lives live in person. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That was like, you did it, nigga. Man.
Speaker 3: That was the first mix that I got with Leslie Brathways,
Speaker 3: the incredible mixing engineer.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Leslie. You know what I'm saying, that's
Speaker 1: that's one of the coldest.
Speaker 3: Niggas mixing beats. He didn't mixed Beyonce jay Z. So
Speaker 3: that was like me elevating into like the NBA. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, it's like the first fucking.
Speaker 1: You're like the upper echelon now like other streets, Like
Speaker 1: I've been in the street and you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of the Memphis music they call underground me. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Shit, we were doing three six.
Speaker 3: She was doing against the boot playing fly against the
Speaker 3: Black NDO G Prophet posse RP Nick Scoffolk.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Fact the death studios, Ah Man,
Speaker 3: just the shit skinny pimp. You know what I'm saying. Man,
Speaker 3: they call it lot s MK.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of niggas. Man, just fromt the o
Speaker 1: G that these was the niggas walking with my brother.
Speaker 3: I'm just a young nigga looking up like Colos brother.
Speaker 3: I just fucking awarded him and brought him into the music.
Speaker 3: The Memphis Music Hall of Fame inducted him literally last week.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I ain't even in the
Speaker 1: mof for you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But it's like, man, it's just stepping stones to everything,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And the more life that
Speaker 3: you have, the longer that you are live, the more
Speaker 3: positivity and successful shit you gonna see, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I mean. So my whole goal has always
Speaker 1: been to keep us alive. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The bullshit we aging over man, one hundred million over here,
Speaker 3: one hundred million over here. Imaginic, man, We'll be billionaires
Speaker 3: by that if we didn't came together, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So nigga gotta really pay attention and wake up at
Speaker 1: the same time. So do you feel like that's the
Speaker 1: moment you arrive right though? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that first planting the plat nigga, I mean the
Speaker 3: game in the streets. I am the trap you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like, you know what I mean, coming
Speaker 3: from trap niggas to standing ovation to you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, that's what's up.
Speaker 1: Yo, got it? Like got it. With the first trap rap,
Speaker 1: I worked with a lot of people.
Speaker 3: Be talking about people before them and man three six
Speaker 3: Mafia with trap music and that ug game.
Speaker 1: With trap music and no they not.
Speaker 3: There was Crump music number one number two when trap
Speaker 3: really like started because trap was a location before anything.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You had to be about
Speaker 1: the lifestyle. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Three six Mafia, them niggas won't known for selling weed
Speaker 3: and selling dope. And they might have had something, they
Speaker 3: might indulge in something, but they weren't no dope boy.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Yo, got it?
Speaker 3: Yo got the first project with ninety six, yeah you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And then he dropped another project,
Speaker 3: then he dropped the third album was Life and Able
Speaker 3: to Be entertainment. There's three projects this mine, damn. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, don't board rapping, rapp about the white,
Speaker 3: rapping about the tree, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And Tip made it popular. Tip took it to a
Speaker 1: whole other level with trap music. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You got a label behind you got it. Had to
Speaker 3: buy himself off of tv T because it wasn't going
Speaker 3: the right way, you know what I mean. So what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, So you're.
Speaker 1: Saying, basically, if you had to get somebody who invented
Speaker 1: trap music, who you think that is? Got it? And
Speaker 1: he didn't invent it. He just rapping about his life
Speaker 1: and rapping back his store. But he was the first
Speaker 1: trap rapper the forefront. But you're saying Tip just you
Speaker 1: feel like Tip was just smart enough to put a
Speaker 1: name on it.
Speaker 3: But Tip rap about his life. He didn't even know
Speaker 3: it was gonna become a joint. But but I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: at this time, were just telling our story. We don't
Speaker 3: even know this fit to go from a a location
Speaker 3: to a genre of music, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So God, it was the first nigga rapping about dope,
Speaker 3: who was really doing this ship?
Speaker 1: Because it's like, you can't be a doctor.
Speaker 4: You can't be a doctor with no patience and not
Speaker 4: actively performing surgeries.
Speaker 1: And ship like that exactly, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And God is ship date to ninety six ninety nine,
Speaker 1: then I'm serious, was two thousands who the goat producer
Speaker 1: trapped you?
Speaker 3: I have to say, Man, I have to get that
Speaker 3: to Tom because a lot of the music that God
Speaker 3: was doing, God it was was rapping about the trap ship,
Speaker 3: but he was rapping about it over musical beats and
Speaker 3: different kind of beats. He was rapping over Little John
Speaker 3: beats like sliced teeth, Paragun my my brother in San Wayne,
Speaker 3: like God, it was rapping on acount of beats here,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So it wasn't really like
Speaker 3: a sound.
Speaker 1: Saying he made a sound to it, non fact like
Speaker 1: the whole t I twenty four run.
Speaker 3: That that nigga just took this playing on even radio
Speaker 3: station in America, Memphis, one that got it didn't have.
Speaker 1: That opportunity, you know what I'm saying. A lot of.
Speaker 4: Tip was able to commercialize, categorize track music and make
Speaker 4: it a discussion.
Speaker 1: Same way Little John did Crump music.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Because Atlanta's a bigger powerhouse
Speaker 3: and a lot of the Atlanta artists got labels. So
Speaker 3: when you fucking with a label that can push their
Speaker 3: button and have you all across America as opposed to
Speaker 3: Memphis where we just underground, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: We mixed tapes, were in the streets and ship when
Speaker 3: I got to Atlanta. Jesus was a fan with me
Speaker 3: and God it hain't going on, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: A lot of niggas was.
Speaker 3: Saying, Hey, nigga, that ship you and God it got
Speaker 3: going on. That nigga knew that in the street, but
Speaker 3: you didn't know that on the radio until we did
Speaker 3: a shot song called Shorty. I got White Shot, the
Speaker 3: Cheap Cheap Price Shoty, my producer Swizzle produced They Beat,
Speaker 3: and that was one song that got got his deal
Speaker 3: with TVT, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's and TVT, What's What's How big is TVT
Speaker 1: compared to a Little Face, right, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Or Arioster, you know what I'm saying, A whole different
Speaker 1: battle game.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, so it's it's it's like, okay,
Speaker 3: this get a much bigger push. I forget who John
Speaker 3: was being me slash being me slash. I forget the
Speaker 3: label they was going through Universal, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So you're talking about the Universal Records compared to select
Speaker 3: those heads, you know what I'm saying, Like, this is
Speaker 3: what we got a Memphis.
Speaker 1: It was more underground.
Speaker 3: So I think if we had the labels, the sound
Speaker 3: would have you would have been known about.
Speaker 1: Got it? A lot of people didn't know about God
Speaker 1: its a CMG. You ain't need I need. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You want there from the start to
Speaker 1: see the transition, to see the growth, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And even then a nigga having enough money to nigga
Speaker 3: did a five hundred down dollar deal and bought that
Speaker 3: five hundred. Here you go, this ain't working. Here go
Speaker 3: this five hundred. You know what I'm saying. I ain't
Speaker 3: never seen nobody.
Speaker 1: Do that else when I got.
Speaker 2: There, was never one of your goals just to sign
Speaker 2: all the hard niggas out of Memphis, producer or rapper
Speaker 2: type ship.
Speaker 1: I know you have some artists.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying like I'd rather help them elevate into
Speaker 3: what they are. I could have signed off. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 3: you got this paper shit going on, Let's build that up.
Speaker 1: That's that's my word. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Whoever man z bo Okay, what y'all doing? Money bag? Alright,
Speaker 3: bet shit, let's build it up. Which'll who's gonna run it?
Speaker 1: Right? Head? I been in this, I beg Okay, what
Speaker 1: y'all need? What y'all? You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: always this is my city, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So it's it's it's about the people that you can
Speaker 3: make better around you, as opposed to trying to get
Speaker 3: over on niggas.
Speaker 1: And let me get a piece of this nigga and
Speaker 1: let me sign it.
Speaker 3: My blessing is here, My blessing is gonna come because
Speaker 3: I serve him, And that's I feel like that's what
Speaker 3: separated me from anything, just how spiritual I am and
Speaker 3: how dedicated I am to serve and somebody that ain't.
Speaker 1: None of you niggas. You know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: serve him, so I'm able to bless y'all. What raper
Speaker 1: you didn't get a chance to work with that you
Speaker 1: wanted to j Cole uh man, I really see twenty one.
Speaker 3: Kodak Black mm hmm, Kodak Man, Me and cod I
Speaker 3: got too much music. Kodak say fun with the niggas.
Speaker 1: That having fun and pee wee the Long Way New Niggas.
Speaker 1: Yeah what we're doing.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying about their energy. Man, you
Speaker 3: gotta have energy out there, born as hard as the hardest.
Speaker 3: You know you ain't got no hustle. Nigga, ain't got
Speaker 3: no fucking demeanor.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I ain't I need. The
Speaker 1: niggas just got their sauce. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And it's fun. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And you can you know what I'm saying, walk in
Speaker 3: the room and be that nigga in the room. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, because it takes more than just
Speaker 3: the music.
Speaker 1: This ship business.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, God it man, business off business,
Speaker 3: money man, being in everybody out of you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like a blueprint. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: see Jesus, you see Tip.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like Maam, and then once
Speaker 3: you get the music ship going, you elevating to all
Speaker 3: the other ship that.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Okay, I wanted to do
Speaker 1: real estate. Okay, Roco going crazy, damn you half of.
Speaker 3: I love that real estate drum. And that's I'll be
Speaker 3: telling Rocko, Man, I wish we could have dropped more music.
Speaker 1: They drop another project. How we're gonna do one album?
Speaker 1: And this ship was so we love that's my brother.
Speaker 2: We love rock over do y'all think he's ever going
Speaker 2: to put out this music that he speaks of on
Speaker 2: his social media?
Speaker 3: Man, he got he Roco got enough for at least
Speaker 3: a cool five. Rocko could go on the fire you
Speaker 3: run so mean?
Speaker 1: Why won't he drop it? He got so much music,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: He got some artists rich. It's the same thing with
Speaker 3: the same thing with east Side Jody, Like you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He got so much music that my nigga,
Speaker 3: I love bro love east Side jokey.
Speaker 1: Man, you know what I'm saying. He got the restating
Speaker 1: for the streets and the cure though.
Speaker 3: Right man, the niggas you're doing what you want to do,
Speaker 3: so you got you got one likely you gotta do
Speaker 3: as long as you're doing what you want.
Speaker 1: To do to that your life.
Speaker 4: Because it's like sometimes I feel like sometimes when you're
Speaker 4: that comfortable, the culture is important, but it kind of
Speaker 4: it's on the back burner a little bit.
Speaker 5: Niggas just be good at ship that they ain't feel
Speaker 5: in love with too though, good ship, but.
Speaker 1: They don't really love it. It's cool, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I love this one doing numbers. I
Speaker 1: don't love this, but she's doing numbers, like yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yes, And it's like the world might think, yeah, like
Speaker 4: the world might think that, like you're the best, Like
Speaker 4: even with this nigga right here, like the world always
Speaker 4: asked for. Like when you're gonna give us another try out,
Speaker 4: when you're gonna give us another stop playing, when you're
Speaker 4: gonna do some more ship, when you're gonna like like
Speaker 4: like your voice is like unique this and that, blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. But it was just like he did it
Speaker 4: and tried it and was amazing at it, but it
Speaker 4: wasn't really in his heart to do So it's like
Speaker 4: when it's not in your heart to do it, the
Speaker 4: passion and the drive that you need to push through
Speaker 4: to be able to be consistent with it. Isn't there
Speaker 4: because there's that disconnect because it's not in your heart
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 5: And it ain't really perfect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Like your nigga probably get up and go look at
Speaker 5: them houses and ship and to get the contract that ship.
Speaker 1: Probably feel you probably feel something doing that, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Whatever EJ doing when you wake up, he probably feel
Speaker 5: that when you do that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: So it's like restaurants and ships, like I love this
Speaker 5: ni how to fuck up in and go do a
Speaker 5: hobbit that I really don't love. Nigga, m I don't
Speaker 5: love that rap ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly exact, I get it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Or a lot of niggas don't like how faithy shit is.
Speaker 1: Like this fake I ain't even gonna lie to you,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Ship, this ship real month?
Speaker 1: What's the fake ship? You feel like this ship?
Speaker 3: I think I think just because I'm in a rapper
Speaker 3: in period in general, you're figuring out some kind of
Speaker 3: fool gaze is something that ain't really you. You're becoming
Speaker 3: a part of something that really ain't you you you
Speaker 3: that's why you got to create a character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like Pop was a real smart educated motherfucker, like a
Speaker 3: lot of people could board the.
Speaker 1: Line nerd or you know what I'm saying. If you
Speaker 1: knew him from like fourteen fifteen, it was not no
Speaker 1: street nigga, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So once you see like everybody looking at Pot like
Speaker 3: it's street n d oh la la la la la
Speaker 3: la la lah, ain't he ain't takeable? I feel like
Speaker 3: all that was a character, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: And it was it was aligned with who he was
Speaker 3: signed to where he had to be like that.
Speaker 1: And then I'm out here with deep West Coast niggas.
Speaker 1: These nigga don't really know me like that, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, So they only know me for what
Speaker 1: i'm acting. Like, let me, God damn show these niggas.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and you know my music
Speaker 1: from back home, but you don't know me. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You have all that nigga woo, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's easy to go to
Speaker 1: a whole nother side of the world, and.
Speaker 5: You're gonna act that she to put you in a
Speaker 5: position too, because it ain't no way like I've seen
Speaker 5: on an interview, they like ain't supposed to get in
Speaker 5: no gang ship.
Speaker 1: Ain't the way you supposa got it.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like coming from all the
Speaker 3: movies he was doing and the acting you were doing.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying, active like put your
Speaker 1: hands on the game number whatever, you can rip this ship.
Speaker 1: Hold on, but hold on. This ain't even the nigga.
Speaker 1: That wasn't even a nigga that took the chain. That's crazy,
Speaker 1: Like you don't even know the information number one, number two.
Speaker 1: It ain't even your beef, thank you. Yeah, you see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You just doing this for a nigga
Speaker 1: that's on your label and he what happened? Why did
Speaker 1: nigga came?
Speaker 4: That's just like doing something to a maid man like
Speaker 4: that's a anybody knows that, that's like a no brainer.
Speaker 4: That's something that you just don't do because you don't
Speaker 4: have the authority to do so, and it's gonna put
Speaker 4: you in a world of trouble in the world that
Speaker 4: you were not.
Speaker 3: In, Like you smack the head nigga like this is
Speaker 3: the head this man, It's just a lot of like
Speaker 3: you get caught a character and then now that shit
Speaker 3: haunts you because of this.
Speaker 1: Ain't really who you is. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The only reason I speak on this shit man, because
Speaker 3: I ain't spoken is nowhere. But that shit fucked me up.
Speaker 3: Even with my brother, my nigga. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: My brother was not no killer. This nigga ain't got
Speaker 1: not one body. You know what I'm saying. This nigga's
Speaker 1: a producer. We hear people, We bless people. We do
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He in the street. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He move around in the streets.
Speaker 1: He a barble.
Speaker 3: This nigga man cut all the top of heads. This
Speaker 3: nigga was cooking Juicy Jay and DJ Paul and a
Speaker 3: balling m JG. But I'm thirteen fourteen.
Speaker 1: I'm sweeping her for my nigga. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Might sell some dope this and that, man, but my
Speaker 1: nigga not no killer. Bro.
Speaker 3: And you'll get caught up in a character or like
Speaker 3: whether it's medication not being having your medication whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You try to go vatan or you try to stop
Speaker 3: drinking alcohol. You might try to stop smoking as much,
Speaker 3: and then that ship your nerves yo. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, the chemical imbalance. Now you're telling yourself something.
Speaker 1: That you ain't really, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: for you to however, man, that shit just crazy like
Speaker 1: man threatening and talking and woo woo woo and pull
Speaker 1: up right here, nigga, woo woo woo like da da
Speaker 1: da done.
Speaker 3: Man. I get the phone call man from my storemailers
Speaker 3: are like bro, like man, your brother Man, they got
Speaker 3: the guns out, what ship?
Speaker 1: Damn hang up?
Speaker 3: Break this shit up, man, bring them in. Before I
Speaker 3: could even get out the phone. Nigga, three shots you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. That's how they took on a
Speaker 3: stupid ass conversation my nigga on some real stupid ass
Speaker 3: nothing meaningless. We ain't talking about no money, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So this shit hurt, nigga. Like, man,
Speaker 3: what you been doing where you've been at woo. I've
Speaker 3: been main reviving my family, nigga, making sure them kids
Speaker 3: and his kids, them folk kids and them folk, grand babies.
Speaker 1: Man, straight as a motherfuler.
Speaker 3: The state started this'n all the money made and we'll
Speaker 3: go to the kids. Man, they get this ship that
Speaker 3: she might take you three to five year to get
Speaker 3: this ship together.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I dedicated the whole book
Speaker 1: to my fucking brother, my nigga.
Speaker 3: I will not be here if it wan't for him.
Speaker 3: So this shit hurt to see. Man, how nigga might
Speaker 3: gonna step out this motherfucker. Man we get calling that
Speaker 3: character shit my nigga. I'm here to tell you I'll
Speaker 3: witness this shit. Bro, it ain't worth it. Be you
Speaker 3: be who you are and follow your intuition and be
Speaker 3: true to that. And that shit has may allow me
Speaker 3: to be where I'm at.
Speaker 1: That real shit, real shit behind it, hiss. Man.
Speaker 2: Want to tell us a little bit about the book, man,
Speaker 2: Like what's in it? Obviously where they can get it
Speaker 2: is an audio physical like it was the rundown on behind.
Speaker 1: This mine, behind the hits. Uh. I'm a soundtrack to
Speaker 1: a lot of people life. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're gonna realize I did certain songs.
Speaker 3: You're gonna think of a moment instantly and I'm just
Speaker 3: here to give you the moment behind the songs, the
Speaker 3: equipment I was using what tackeause I used to, you know,
Speaker 3: get in position to where I'm at, the importance of relationships,
Speaker 3: the importance of management, and split sheets for producers, my
Speaker 3: nigga like making sure you get your percentage percentage. If
Speaker 3: it's three y'all in the studio, man, y'all made to
Speaker 3: be together, We're gonna split it thirty three and the third.
Speaker 3: Or you know, man, we did this beat together. It's
Speaker 3: two people were going twenty five to twenty five.
Speaker 1: Or you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: If it's guitar players or bass players and you get
Speaker 3: entitled them to a percentage and just write this you down. Okay,
Speaker 3: you're gonna get five percent. You're gonna get five percent.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take the other forty or whatever the case
Speaker 3: may be. That shit changed my life. Split sheets, the
Speaker 3: importance of entertainment, attorney, A lot of shit don't mean
Speaker 3: shit until you got that a producers agreement.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? He said he gonna man,
Speaker 1: fuck that. That's verbal. You know what I mean? What
Speaker 1: they saying that black and white? Okay, your advance twenty thousand.
Speaker 3: Okay, but if the song go five hundred thousand, you're
Speaker 3: gonna get three point five because standard producer royalty rate
Speaker 3: is three points. So okay, if I help you see
Speaker 3: five hundred thousand copies, I should get escalated to three
Speaker 3: point five.
Speaker 1: Now, if you go platinum, I should get four. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And once you get in position
Speaker 1: of putting hits on the board, now you got more pottering.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You got you got, you got more power to negotiate
Speaker 3: and say, hey, nigga, I'm putting diamond records on the ball.
Speaker 1: I need five points, I need six points, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So that paperwork is your power. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Get you the entertainment attorney. Make sure you start an LLLC.
Speaker 3: Open your bank account man. For four years, I had
Speaker 3: all these.
Speaker 1: Publishing checks man, that she added up to like one
Speaker 1: point eight that I never cashed. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That was just sitting in its name. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Off the publishing company that I created.
Speaker 3: I created a publishing company that was created the LC
Speaker 3: for the motherfucker, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 3: had to go back create the LLLC, open the bank account,
Speaker 3: then put them chicks.
Speaker 1: In the bank. Wow, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So definitely, man, you know, it's just a lot of
Speaker 3: business tactics, stories of the ups and downs. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying that put us are paying tax. One
Speaker 3: time I got behind maybe eight years on taxis, Oh.
Speaker 1: Five hundred and fifty. You know what I'm saying, five
Speaker 1: hundred field me. You got my shit yesterday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maam, I had a great attorney who was
Speaker 3: putting me up on game and saying, hey, you can,
Speaker 3: you can. You know there's an offering compromise. What's that
Speaker 3: offering compromise? Okay, well you can offer them the amount
Speaker 3: of money that you're willing to pay off what you
Speaker 3: owe and they might settle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So we started off like, man, I'll settle for one
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five. It went to two hundred and
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, we settled it one sixty seven,
Speaker 3: So offer this eight years of taxes. We was able
Speaker 3: to settle a five hundred and fifty thousand dollars tab
Speaker 3: for one hundred and sixty seven thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: So This is just all on the education, on the game,
Speaker 3: making sure you got a financial advisor, making sure you
Speaker 3: got an accountant who's on your team and providing.
Speaker 1: You with your best interest. Shout out to you. Run
Speaker 1: to you man, sir, right s up. Get that behind
Speaker 1: the hits. It dropped on the seventeenth though.
Speaker 2: To quick producer talk questions, you're sending the files, and
Speaker 2: you know rap always want the files.
Speaker 1: You're sending them.
Speaker 3: I'm sending the files just because I want my ship mixed, Okay,
Speaker 3: I want to give the.
Speaker 1: Best disturbing your art. Yeah, I'm pulling up. I'm at
Speaker 1: the mix. I'm involved in the mix.
Speaker 3: Before I send the files, my manager and his manager
Speaker 3: already talking and on the phone with our attorneys and
Speaker 3: exchanging our attorney information to ensure that we got to
Speaker 3: produce an agreement. In effect, I want him to drop
Speaker 3: the music because all my beasts copy written. So you
Speaker 3: can drop this ship and try to not pay me,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. But just that's whereever respect
Speaker 3: came from, but just behind him on my bidding. So
Speaker 3: either way go, you're gonna have to pay me, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Labels know that independent artists know that,
Speaker 3: and you know what I'm saying, it can get ugly,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So not paying a niggas not the route to go.
Speaker 1: I'm not the plug to run off phone. The other
Speaker 1: one of this, take the publishing deal or nah.
Speaker 3: You gotta be able to fulfill your deal. So if
Speaker 3: you're gonna take a deal, just turn up to it.
Speaker 3: I took a publishing deal. I fulfill mine in three years,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And it's pool cool money
Speaker 3: on the back end, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: we did an amendment and extended for another two years.
Speaker 3: I fulfilled just because I'm working. Drake probably see maybe
Speaker 3: twenty percent of his publishing, maybe twenty five I forget,
Speaker 3: but it's some other people who get in some of
Speaker 3: his publishing. Look at how much music he dropped me thinking, nigga,
Speaker 3: give a fuck I'm dropping. I'm dropping them dropp I
Speaker 3: rather have twenty percent of a billion than one hundred
Speaker 3: percent of a million, you see what I'm saying. So
Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna take a publishing deal if it's
Speaker 3: gonna put me in a better position. I took one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty. My dad had just made a bet
Speaker 3: with me to man, yeah, you ain't getting no money.
Speaker 3: He ain't gonna be shit doing what you're doing. My
Speaker 3: dad from the orchestra. I came up in the orchestra,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And when he found out
Speaker 3: I got kicked out of college that nigga made me
Speaker 3: a bit. He was like, man, I bet you one
Speaker 3: hundred dolls. You ain't gonna be able to do what
Speaker 3: you're doing. Man, fuck that little that ten thousand. I
Speaker 3: was like, Papa, don't getting money on droveabley. I got
Speaker 3: songs in it. I did Yo, got it, I did
Speaker 3: three six, I did this shit woo and was like, man,
Speaker 3: you ain't gonna be able to buy your mama the house.
Speaker 1: She won't.
Speaker 3: I pulled that ten thowund dollar cads put it on tape.
Speaker 3: I ain't had no debl call, I ain't on credit call,
Speaker 3: none of this shit. I ain't even have a bank account,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And my pub deal.
Speaker 3: I did it for one hundred fifty thousand. That was
Speaker 3: how I was able to put that hundred in front
Speaker 3: of his face and say, look, nigga did it too much.
Speaker 3: Because he either that or he was gonna put me
Speaker 3: back in school.
Speaker 1: I had.
Speaker 3: I had a six month suspension from University of Memphis.
Speaker 3: So it's about taking that deal. And like I bet,
Speaker 3: I was spending a lot of money on studio time,
Speaker 3: this and that. I bought me a pro tools read.
Speaker 3: I bought me a computer. I bought me all the
Speaker 3: equipment I needed for my beats. And now I'm able
Speaker 3: to dump my beats right at the crib.
Speaker 1: I'm able to do them files at you something.
Speaker 3: Every time I had to deliver files, I got to
Speaker 3: go book somebody else studio to drop them files or
Speaker 3: track them files out.
Speaker 1: We ain't have no export on the laptop at that time,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I bought the equipment that was necessary to allow
Speaker 3: me to, you know what I'm saying, take my career
Speaker 3: to the next level. And we took that one hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty and turn it in one point five.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Good flip behind the hits.
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