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Speaker 2: It's Lauren the Rosa and this is the latest with

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Speaker 2: Lauren the Rosa. This is your Deli dig on all

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Speaker 2: things pop culture, entertiment, news, and all of the conversations

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Speaker 2: Now, on today's episode, we have Dun Dunda Dunn. Could

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Speaker 2: y'all be loving to Wendy Williams updates? We have a

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Speaker 2: Wendy Williams update. It's not an exclusive, but you guys

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Speaker 2: know where there is a story I will find an

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Speaker 2: angle in exclusively.

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Speaker 1: So this story actually comes from TMZ.

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Speaker 2: TMZ just broke a story that Wendy Williams has tested

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Speaker 2: uh with neurologists who say that she does not have

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Speaker 2: the frontal temporal dementia that has been the reason why

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Speaker 2: she has had to stay in this guardianship that she

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Speaker 2: says has her locked up in a luxury prison, which

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Speaker 2: is you know what she calls the facility where she lives,

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Speaker 2: where you know she's not able to you know, go

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Speaker 2: to call out.

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Speaker 1: You know, she doesn't live a normal life.

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Speaker 2: Now, Wendy has always said, even in talking to me

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Speaker 2: when all of this conservativeship conversation started, she knew she

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Speaker 2: needed some help. She knew she needed help management the money,

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Speaker 2: figuring out certain things. You know, there was addiction she

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Speaker 2: So the significance of this testing is, I mean, it's everything.

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Speaker 2: It's it's huge if a judge looks at this the

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Speaker 2: right way, and we're going to get into it. So,

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Speaker 2: according to reports, Wendy Wims underwent a ton of tests

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Speaker 2: she completed these tests that neurologists last month, then gave

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Speaker 2: the test to her legal team. Her legal team took

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Speaker 2: look at the tests and they're like, okay, now we're

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Speaker 2: and we're going to use these to ask the judge

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Speaker 2: to release her from the Conservativeship. Now, these tests don't

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Speaker 2: just come out of the blue. People have been trying

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Speaker 1: She's had a bit more of a social life.

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Speaker 2: But we kind of lost track on what the conversation

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Speaker 2: been getting regular updates from her, to be honest with you,

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Speaker 2: but a while back, Joe Takapina told you know, me

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Speaker 2: as her personal attorney, that their plan was to do

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Speaker 2: testing because Wendy Williams, you know, was claiming she's in

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Speaker 2: this conservativeship, decisions are being made for her. This lawsuit

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Speaker 2: So the Conservatives said, hold on, wait a minute, let's

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Speaker 2: The testing came back according to the conservator, and I

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Speaker 2: But those test results stated that according to the testing

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Speaker 2: the frontal temporal dementia. During that time, Joe Tacopina said

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Speaker 2: They didn't want anyone appointed by the judge. Here we

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Speaker 2: Now here's my thing, And again, I haven't this story

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Speaker 2: like you guys are literally in the latest just Broke

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Speaker 2: momentary moments ago, so I'll be doing a follow up.

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Speaker 2: Here are the latest with Lauren the roads of the

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Speaker 2: podcast for all my low riders, and of course on

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Speaker 2: the Breakfast club because I plan to call you a tecopina.

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Speaker 2: I plan to call Sabrina Morrissey, who is Wendy Williams

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Speaker 2: But this is it's a bit of an update. I

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Speaker 2: And the reason why I say that is because again,

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen, Salt, Peppa, Spenderella, y'all are one

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Speaker 4: of the greatest teachers in hip hop. I think y'all

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Speaker 4: for teaching me that life is all about expression. You

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Speaker 1: So expressed yourself, Yale.

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Speaker 2: And then Salt and Peppa and DJ Spinderella came out,

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Speaker 2: they also spoke. There were performances as well which they

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Speaker 2: with them as well too. But SAWT spoke and spoke

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Speaker 2: out again against Universal Music Group, who they are currently

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Speaker 2: in a very high stake legal battle against trying to

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Speaker 1: Let's say listen, when.

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Speaker 3: We came up, the industry was different. We didn't have streaming,

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Speaker 3: we didn't have social media. We had cassette tapes, turntables

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Speaker 3: to be heard and to prove our worth. We're in

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Speaker 3: a fight right now for our masters that rightfully belonged

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Speaker 3: to us after forty years. As we celebrate this moment,

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Speaker 3: fans can't even stream our music. It's been taken down

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Salt and Peppa have never been afraid of a fight.

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Speaker 3: This is the Influence Award. We have to keep using

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Speaker 2: Issue here that you know Salt and Pepper are claiming,

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Speaker 1: Still it's happening.

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Speaker 2: Statement says, our first three official albums, Hot Cool and

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Speaker 2: the master recordings contained on them were pulled off streaming

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Speaker 2: are still available because they don't qualify for termination rights

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Speaker 2: back to the artists. She says, it's all about when

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Speaker 2: first three albums that were released later weren't necessarily pulled

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Speaker 2: down as they aren't subject to termination rights yet, but.

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Speaker 1: They will all be soon.

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Speaker 2: So there is certain music that you can go on

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Speaker 2: that the minute that they do hit that timeline, we're

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Speaker 1: Then it continues regardless.

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Speaker 1: That point and that this is settled. That is folks.

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Speaker 2: Again, you guys could be anywhere with anybody listening or

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