1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: Well, as we've been reporting, today, Twitter scored an early 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: win against Elon Musk. He's failed to complete his forty 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: four billion dollar buyout of the social media platform. And 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: today at Delaware judge agreed to fast track Twitter's lawsuit 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: against Matsk, sitting a trial date for October. Joining us. 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: Now we have Tom Giles, Bloomberg Tech editor. So Tom, 7 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: the judge fairly swiftly rejected the arguments from Elon Musk's lawyers. 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: What did the judge say, Well, the lawyers were lawyers 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: on behalf of Musk. Wanted more time. Basically, they wanted 10 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: to refute Twitter's request for an expedited trial. Twitter's argument 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: is that the longer this drags out, the worst our businesses. 12 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: We want a swift resolution. Nobody likes limbo. The judge 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: started with Twitter and said, the longer distracts out the 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: worst it is for the business. This is not this 15 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 1: is not good for Twitter. Um And so the judge 16 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: really didn't get in. Today's proceedings really didn't get to 17 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: the merits of whether or not Musk can walk away 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: from the deal. It was really just about whether Twitter 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: can have a quick turnaround in the trial, and and 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: the judge was very sympathetic to that. Um. You know, 21 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: they wanted the trial to start in September. They said 22 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: it should last only four days. She met him part 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 1: of the way. She said, let's have it be in October, 24 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: and it will take five days and and and it 25 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: was much quicker than what Musk was looking where Musk 26 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: was looking for February three. So Twitter definitely scored an 27 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: early victory here uh today in Delaware court. But there's 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: a lot more work that's gonna that it's going to 29 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: need to do, uh in order to force Musk to 30 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: carry through on his deal. Well, that takes me to 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: the next issue here. When you get into a situation 32 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: like this between two companies, there's a merger agreement obviously 33 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: that Twitter would like to enforce. Is there the possibility, Tom, 34 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: that Musk is successful in negotiating a lower price. Let's say, 35 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: just as a hypothetical, that is a possible scenario, um, 36 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: and it and it could be negotiated out of court. 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: The different scenarios are here. One Twitter wins and gets 38 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: Musks to pay a share for Twitter shares for each 39 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: Twitter share. That is one possibility, Um. The other possibility 40 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: is the judge decides that Musk was right and that 41 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: Twitter somehow UM made a material breach of the agreement, 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: particularly in that it didn't give enough information about bonds 43 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: or that essentially it's business is far worse than it 44 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: represented UH and and therefore says, Okay, Musk, you can 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: walk away and pay your you know, the billion dollar 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 1: breakup feet that you agree to. A middle scenario could 47 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: be that the two sides decide out of court, they 48 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: start settlement cotton negotiations and decide that, you know, Musk 49 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: will still by the company, but he'll do it at 50 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: a lower price. If you're Twitter, you really want the judge, 51 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: you really want the judge to you know, make the 52 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: decision here. Because this court has has a history of 53 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: being partial to UH the sellers UM and impartial to 54 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: the party that wants to walk away. There's only been 55 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: one instance where they found what's called the material advert fact, 56 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: which is essentially that the business was really really bad 57 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: and that the sellers failed, that they misrepresented how bad 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: it was. UM. That's only happened in one case, and they, 59 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: you know, these people here a lot of cases. So 60 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: the odds, at least according to legal experts, that we've 61 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: spoken to. The odds are certainly in Twitter's favor and 62 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: going against Elon Musk in terms of forcing Elon Musk 63 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: to go ahead with this deal. What sort of precedent 64 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: is there? Yeah, I mean technically, you know, you typically 65 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: this court and this is the court that both I'd agreed, 66 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: would would adjudicate if there was a disagreement. The precedent 67 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: is typically you side with the party that you know 68 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: you you side with the seller, and and and and 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: you don't let someone who is walking. They have to 70 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 1: have a really good reason to walk away. There has 71 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: to be something. They have to prove that there was 72 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: something really materially wrong with the company, and that and 73 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: and and that they somehow misled Musk. Now, the problem 74 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: that Musk has is that he signed an agreement to 75 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: agreed to this deal without having seen all of the 76 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: all of their financials. He agreed to, he waived that right. 77 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: And so to say afterward that like, well, you're not 78 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 1: letting me see enough, or you're not giving me enough information, 79 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: or what I have seen I disagree with and you're 80 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: completely wrong and you misled me. It's really hard for 81 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: him to make that case. It's like buying a car 82 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: side unseen, but then looking under the hood and seeing 83 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 1: things that are wrong with and saying I don't want 84 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: to carry through in my agreement, even though you agreed 85 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: to make that purchase without you know, looking under the hood. Tom, 86 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: you're speaking to us from San Francisco, that is where 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: Twitter is based, very quickly hearing about the thirties seconds 88 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: or so. What's the mood at the company right now? 89 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: Do we know? Well, there's a lot of uncertainty. It's 90 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 1: a it's a dour mood. Um. You know, a lot 91 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: of people who didn't want to see the company agreed 92 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: assell to to to Elon Musk. You spent several months 93 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: disparaging management and telling the company is doing a bad job. 94 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 1: And now he's trying to walk away from the deal, 95 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: and now Twitter's board wants to force his hand. It's 96 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: not a great situation if you're an employee of Twitter. 97 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: Tom Chiles, Bloomberg's Tech editor, joining us from our bureau 98 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: in San Francisco. Thanks so much, as