WEBVTT - Episode 4: Marvel Cinematic Universe 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:13.320 Hello, and welcome to Nerdificent. I am one of your hosts, 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:17.680 Danny Fernandez, and sitting across from me is anyway Hell yeah, 0:00:17.680 --> 0:00:21.360 and we're here with a very honored guests. You will 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:24.119 recognize him from Nerdice. He is a host on d 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:27.120 C All Access. He's a host at hyper RPG and 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:31.320 he is when I thought of this episode, the most 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.240 qualified person to talk about it, it is Mr Hector Navarro. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.839 Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here. I 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:39.400 love you guys very much, or thank you so much 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.440 for asking me to come and talk about the thing 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:44.760 that is the easiest for me to talk. He literally 0:00:44.800 --> 0:00:48.160 had to do no research for this. I was joking. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.080 I said it should be Nerdificent hosted by Hector Navarro 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.360 with guests if you want to wait and Danny Fernandez 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.120 for this one. You have that like encyclopedic pocket knowledge 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.280 of the Marvel universe. And yeah, I remember, even when 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:05.200 pressed with things that might be outside of the wheelhouse, 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.240 you you have a book with information like when we 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:10.320 have that which I'm going to talk about this here 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:13.720 because I think that no one really knows what are 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.200 we talking about. Before Black Panther came out, we'd shared 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:19.360 that tweet from our I think it was our friend. 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:22.479 We have to talk about this. That was a great 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:25.560 tweet and a great question. Yeah, that was like why 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.479 didn't Black Panther just destroy America after finding out about 0:01:29.480 --> 0:01:31.760 slavery and then we had this huge disclosion or that 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.360 that goes further into the question of like why didn't Wakonda, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.959 with its resources historically help slavery that was happening to 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:41.800 the rest of Africa, And then that was the movie 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:47.000 that was before the movie. Yeah, we see they're reading, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:51.840 they're paying attention, but like we were asking that question. 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.000 I don't know how. I think I saw you retweeted 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:55.760 because you were like, this is a really good question 0:01:55.760 --> 0:01:58.680 because because it's because this is great question about this 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:02.080 alternate history of this world. Right, and the Marvel Universe 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.240 is for the most part, like supposed to be our world, 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.400 with certain differences here and there. Right, A guy gets 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.080 the superpowered drugs during World War Two, so that's Captain America. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.240 A kid gets bitten by Spider and Queens, so that's 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:15.920 Spider Man, but it's still our world. Then the big 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.799 difference for the world of Black Panther is this country 0:02:18.800 --> 0:02:21.239 in the middle of Africa gets this resource which makes 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:24.240 it super developed, super quickly. And then the reason that 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.919 was created and designed by mostly white writers Jewish dudes 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:32.080 back in the sixties Stanley's Jack Kirby on all these 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.240 different people that contributed to Black Panther, and even when 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:36.800 it got to black writers, black artists and and everybody 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.120 who can contribute to that lore. It was all just 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.920 to justify why somebody who was more advanced in most 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.440 every way than iron Man could come from Africa and 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.440 and the Western world's like idea of Africa and they 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:52.200 came up with it's because Wakonda is the best. Well, 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.320 how do we not know about Wakonda. It's because they've 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:57.080 hidden it. And the only answer I could come up with. 0:02:57.120 --> 0:02:59.440 So if he's talking about I looked up my encyclopedia 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.400 that was scifically not just in encyclopedia, it's a Marvel 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.960 atlas that's like it tours you through the Marvel world, like, Okay, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:08.800 here's Dr Doom's country, lat Veria, Here's you know, like 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:10.680 all the fake countries and all the real countries, and 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.320 then you get to the fake country of wakand of 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:14.680 the fictional country, the only thing I could find in 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.800 its history is like it decided to remain isolationist to 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:22.119 protect its resources and its people, and as we saw 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.560 in the movie, and the movie then became was that 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.960 the right thing to do? And it's so good and 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:28.640 so yeah, that was that was fun to like go 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:30.799 look that up because I was like, huh and then 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.680 you know, you go find out I know that was 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:38.200 It's cool. Yeah, it's that. It's cool. But speaking of 0:03:38.240 --> 0:03:40.600 black Panthers, speaking of everything we were just talking about. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.040 If you're listening to this now, you know that Infinity 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:48.120 War is about to drop. And like the basic mission 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:52.680 statement of this podcast, a nerdy podcast for everyone, you 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:58.360 may have started anywhere along these three phases, there's been wow. 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:01.520 I guess we got to back it up. So the 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.720 Marvel Universe, the cinematic universe has been broken up into 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.520 phases and they kind of announced the quote unquote phases 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.360 since the first phase, which I remember that was the 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:14.600 first thing us nerves were hyped about, like phases. WS gonna, well, 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.400 what's happening? And um, I'm glad I pulled this up 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.760 because we're gonna go down this list in a list 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:25.080 that I found online that says, is the chronological order 0:04:25.320 --> 0:04:28.160 and looking at it, and by chronological it means like 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.880 within the world and not within when they were released. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.680 And so Phase one was Captain America, the First Avenger, 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:40.360 iron Man, Iron Man to the Incredible Hulk, Thor and Avengers. 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:43.400 That's phase one to Phase one is all the movies 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:45.320 leading up to the Avenger. And we're gonna go and 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:48.080 depth on these, so don't be like, wait, wait, I'm 0:04:48.120 --> 0:04:50.480 just breaking down the phases for you. Phase two is 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:53.640 iron Man three, The or the Dark World, Captain America, 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:56.560 The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Guardians of the 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.599 Galaxy Volume too, and Avengers, Age of Ultron and Man. 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:03.080 And that one's interesting because you just described a movie 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.200 that's technically released in its phase three, which just came 0:05:07.240 --> 0:05:10.200 out last year in seventeen, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:14.160 but chronologically it only takes place a few months after 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:17.000 the first Guardians movie, which took place in the year 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:19.599 and there's little ways you can track that. If you 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:21.560 watch the movie and pay attention, you're like, okay, it 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.960 tells you star Lord as this age and you know 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.760 that he was picked up on Earth. You kind of 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.800 do that math nerds did that math to figure out 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.680 what year out in space in relation to Earth was 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:34.760 all that stuff happening. It is a year, so a 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.720 couple of years ago. So so yeah, So that's an 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:39.479 interesting case where it's like a phase three movie. Technically bop, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.520 you plot it right, you squeeze it right into the 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.840 middle of phase two of it. By now the listeners 0:05:44.839 --> 0:05:47.400 have figured out why we brought you on this podcast 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:50.360 because it was it was just the quickness and when 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.880 you're like, ah, it was perfectly well, how do you 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:54.919 before you go on to phase three? If how do 0:05:55.000 --> 0:05:57.080 you rank these? Then do you go off of this 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.200 chronological order? Because I only look at them as their 0:06:00.240 --> 0:06:02.680 release dates because that's how we were introduced to them. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.479 And also you can see the technology changing, uh and 0:06:06.680 --> 0:06:11.039 actors changing for some of these roles, um specifically Wholk 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:13.839 you know, So yeah, how do you look at it? Hector? 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.880 I look at it like I just go off of 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.119 I know, people love to talk about that first Captain 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.560 American movie because it was set mostly in World War 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:24.000 Two as like, hey, this is the beginning of the 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.360 Marvel universe and let's start there, right, But I really 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.080 do like to look at the movies in theatrical release 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.760 date for the for the reasons you mentioned, but also 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:34.240 like they were designed that way, and also like Captain 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:37.440 America opens with the present day and it's a little 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.600 prologue and it's like, sir, we found them, and then 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:41.680 it gives you the whole movie is technically a flashback. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:43.400 And even if a movie is kind of out of 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:46.400 place chronologically, like Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two or 0:06:46.480 --> 0:06:49.560 Doctor Strange, which it's kind of unclear when Doctor Strange 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.279 is happening, as opposed to if you watch Captain America 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:55.440 Civil War, you meet two characters, Black Panther and Spider Man. 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:59.200 Their movies happened pretty much right after Captain America Civil War, right, 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:00.839 we follow us by d and Queens, and then we 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.360 followed to Challa in Wakonda. But Doctor Strange was that 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:08.160 movie was released after Captain America Civil War, and it's like, well, 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.880 how long was he like being trained by Tilda Swinton? 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.160 How you know? Like, so there's all these questions. So 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:15.600 I still like to look at them in theatrical release 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.880 if I'm marathoning them, if I'm watching them in order, 0:07:19.440 --> 0:07:22.679 because it also just keeps things a little fresh, because 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:24.400 you know, as soon as you watch one movie, instead 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:26.320 of doing like, okay, let's pop in part two, it's like, well, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:29.559 let's go watch a completely new character. Also, the post 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.160 credit scenes are set up that way exactly, and you know, 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:35.480 those kinds of things give you enough clues to kind 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.040 of plug stuff in order. But it doesn't have a 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.200 crazy chronology. It really doesn't. It's pretty straightforward to like 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.240 if you watch the movies in the order that they 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:45.200 were theatrically released, you can pretty much follow along. And 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:46.840 there's a couple of little things that they put on, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.880 like the Blue Rays when they came out, called one shots, 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.400 those little like short films that kind of like fill 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:54.880 in some blanks a little bit or like further explained stuff. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.240 But it's not essential. So it's like if you want 0:07:57.280 --> 0:07:59.840 that kind of like streamlined like wood order, should I 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.120 want watched it in? You can find that information. It's 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.680 out there, but it's not like vital to me to enjoy, 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:07.400 you know what I mean to and to get the movies. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:09.200 It's like, just watch the movies just that's why I 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:11.320 look at it. Just for those crazies, we will have 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.640 a link from the art cale I pulled this from 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.280 the footnotes because they do the link. I chopped it down. 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.880 But the one that they did, they plug in the 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.920 TV shows in the TV and the short films like 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:30.560 talking about the stuff. Yeah, so Agent Carter's season one 0:08:30.600 --> 0:08:34.680 and two was actually after Captain America. That's that's where 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.120 they plugged it in before iron Man. Yeah, because yeah, 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:42.560 iron Man took place in I mean, if there's a 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.560 flashback in an episode of like I don't know, like 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.440 Agents of Shields season three that reveals something that happened 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:51.000 like hundreds of years ago, people will grab that and go, okay, 0:08:51.080 --> 0:08:52.880 let's plug it in the right order. And there's these 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:56.760 timelines that people put together. It is intense. It's intense. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.199 So it's down to like the minute people of people 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:04.000 have figured I want to do something on that subculture. Okay, sorry, 0:09:04.040 --> 0:09:06.839 So Phase three the rest of this article, if you 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.200 with chronological order, just the movies to the the one 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.240 that will be in the footnotes will have all the shorts, 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.840 like they included the shorts on the DVDs everything, but 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.160 of the films Captain America, Civil War, they plugged in 0:09:20.240 --> 0:09:24.120 Doctor Strange after that, the Spider Man Homecoming and thor 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:28.400 Ragnarok than Black Panther. Interesting. Cool Yeah, cool, that's great, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.280 and they were caught up. And that's eighteen movies. Yeah, 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.960 so far, that's been six movies for each phase. And 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:37.680 we're not out of this phase yet. We have a 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:39.880 couple more to go. We have the Avengers coming out, 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:41.959 and then and then in the Wasps later this year, 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:45.320 and then next year Captain Marvel and then Avengers four, 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.040 all still technical where everybody is dead that didn't die 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:55.360 in the first one. Let's even um even be just 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.960 fully transparent to why, because people might be wondering, Well, 0:09:59.120 --> 0:10:01.720 it seems like all of these phases are capped off 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:05.680 by Avengers movie. The reason it's still within the same 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.559 phases because originally, uh, the two Avengers movie were called 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.720 Infinity Wars Part one and two, and then somewhere along 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:15.679 the line they chose to change the titles. And I 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.520 feel it has to do with what happens in this one. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.240 I don't know what, and they won't reveal the title 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.319 until after Infinity War, which means it'll be in the movie. 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.920 It's apocalypse. It's this great, well probably not because of 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.079 the X Men, but it's great. Here's what's going to 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:37.160 happen on this podcast jokes. I'm going to correct it 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:42.640 because do it. Yeah, I'll be like, well, it's but 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.040 let's talk. Let's talk because I don't know if you 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:48.480 saw my hail Mary fan theory of what's going to 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.640 happen because we can't talk about Marvel. Uh. By the way, 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.280 these I just want to say that these are just 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.760 us speculating. We haven't read any of the scripts. We 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.280 don't know anything. So if you are really bothered by 0:10:59.280 --> 0:11:03.160 people specul lady, you might want to turn the volume down. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:06.160 But also we're just nerds that are geeking out. Yeah, 0:11:06.240 --> 0:11:08.440 and and this is the point to speculate. The movie's 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:11.920 dropping this week. You'll I'm going to speculate what might happen, 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:15.520 but it's impossible for me to spoil it before you speculate, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.439 and I want you to. I would like to share 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.240 one thing in case there are listeners that are like, oh, 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:21.240 I don't even speculate, because it might if you guess 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.320 it right, you might ruin the movie. I'll be thinking 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.400 about it. I do want to say this. I have 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.760 a buddy who told me that he has a friend 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.800 that worked on special effects in the film and that 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:34.600 this friend said, nobody has guessed this one thing, and 0:11:34.640 --> 0:11:36.520 he has been on the internet looking up and down 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.000 of like, you know this one kind of plot point. 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.160 He's like, nobody's gotten it right. And that made me 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.640 feel so good of like, Okay, there's gonna be real 0:11:43.679 --> 0:11:48.040 surprises in this thing. Woman's going to show up. Nobody 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:53.600 has guessed across over. So let's take a second and 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:58.120 zoom out of you know, Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios is 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:01.400 owned by Disney at this point. It was recently huge 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:06.760 acquisition by Disney and merger and they just got Fox right. Oh, 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:08.440 as far as I know that that deal is like 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:12.120 finalizing or in discussion, but it hasn't been final it 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:16.199 hasn't beneficial, yes, correct, So that being said, yeah, since 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.040 they know this, Yeah, I was going to say, before 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:21.600 we go into like what we think might happen with 0:12:21.640 --> 0:12:24.520 Infinity War, did you want to tackle the history of 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.720 everything first? And then at the very time the listeners 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.240 on the edge of their seat and I like it, 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.400 You're gonna have to wait and we will jump into 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:47.240 it right after the break, and we're back here with 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.079 Hector Navarro and if you my co host, we are 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:55.800 going to tackle these films just basically the importance of them. 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.960 Some cool things that us stood out for us, And yeah, 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.679 and you know, I know were we said we were 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:03.480 going in chronological illied, We're going in the order of 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:08.160 release because that just makes thing simpler, cleaner, and just 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:10.840 with the story that we're telling about maybe some of 0:13:10.880 --> 0:13:13.280 the behind the scenes stuff, it helps put us in 0:13:13.320 --> 0:13:15.439 the mindset of like, Okay, it's two thousand six, or 0:13:15.480 --> 0:13:17.959 it's two th eight, got it. So with that being said, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:23.240 it's two thousand eight, Iron Man comes out, and uh, 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.000 you know, it was interesting because if I'm remembering myself correctly, 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.080 no one thought this was going to lead into a 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.880 huge cinematic universe. The way it was. It was just 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:36.560 an iron Man movie, that's right. An iron Man had 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:42.080 been like a blist cialist comic that had actually very 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.520 bad sales at some point. It was just a risk 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:51.120 all around. Their main man was a risk casting Robert 0:13:51.120 --> 0:13:55.400 Downey Jr. Who at the time had been in prison 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:57.160 and he had multi run ins with the law, and 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:00.880 like granted he was working to better himself and at 0:14:00.920 --> 0:14:03.120 this time, but that was still a huge risk for 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:05.720 this studio to bank on him. But also a fun 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:10.240 parallel between the actor and the character, because you know, 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:14.640 iron Man Tony Stark is a recovering alcoholic who is 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.920 a troubled, you know, person of you know, tech world celebrity. 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.200 So that was kind of cool in itself. And I 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:24.200 remember this being a big year for comebacks because I 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.320 believe What Wrestler came out around this same year. And 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.400 later a few months later, Robert Jenny Jr. Starred in 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:35.000 Tropic Thunder, which got him a Best Supporting Actor nomination, 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:37.920 and the stories on that set go that when he 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.640 was on that set um he was telling Ben Stiller, 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:42.520 Jack Black, certain people because he had filmed Iron Man, 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:44.280 He's like, I'm going to be a huge star, and 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:46.720 they're like, sure thing, Robert Downey Jr. Whatever. And then 0:14:46.760 --> 0:14:48.560 sure enough Iron Man comes out and they're like, oh, 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:50.560 he is like the biggest movie star in the world 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:52.520 right now, we should put him in more stuff to 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.840 promote Tropic Thunder, And even from Tropic Thunder, I think 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.240 it was an actor justin thorow that he may have 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.480 been in it that he got to uh to later 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:03.760 write Iron Man too, I think is what it was. 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.480 But in any case, it was just a huge year 0:15:05.520 --> 0:15:08.040 for Robert Johnny Jr. And I remember at the time 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.600 I would go to see every superhero movie, but this one. 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:13.920 After I saw it once, I was like, I need 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.120 to bring like my mom and dad to this because 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.120 I did feel like this is something special. This feels 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:21.760 the most like a Marvel comic book up to this point, 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.000 even more than any of the Sam Rami Spider Man 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:26.720 movies or more than the Fox x Men films. I'm like, 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:28.560 this is like a this is like a Marvel comic 0:15:28.640 --> 0:15:32.720 and especially because that end credits scene was mind blowing 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.560 and set the gold stance at the bar for for 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.840 for what was doing? Yeah for I feel like a 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.640 lot of this film kind of set up the Marvel formula, 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.640 like this was kind of the blueprint for its future films. 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.680 Um and in case you forgot of what happened during 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:50.640 this so essentially Tony Stark, who was a billionaire, he 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:53.640 builds himself a suit of armor after he's taken uh 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.680 captive by a terrorist organization, and then he decides to 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:00.800 upgrade and dawn his Iron Man's suit in order to 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.800 hunt down weapons that were being sold under the table. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:08.720 They hired John Farrow to direct, who is still with us. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.800 Really capitalized on that with an unfinished script. Yeah, he 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.600 still plays Happy Hogan in the yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, 0:16:14.760 --> 0:16:18.680 his bodyguard. Yeah. But yeah. What's what's also great about 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.160 this too, is at the time we didn't know this, 0:16:21.280 --> 0:16:24.760 but they are kind of building their poster child for 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.840 the Marvel Cinematic universe. Like iron Man is that dude? 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:31.760 He's he like he welcomed Spider Man into the cinematic 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.000 universe by being a part of Homecoming, and they used 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.200 utilized him perfectly where he was in it, but he 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:39.200 wasn't in it too much. He didn't take the spotlight, 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:43.120 but he Like, it's crazy to see iron Man be 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.320 such this huge important part of piece of this universe. 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.960 And to think back that this was this risky movie 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.120 that no one knew what to expect. We got people 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:59.240 really excited about the Sabbath song. Yeah. Well yeah, it 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.560 was like when really had like rock and Roll, they 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:04.320 started to realize they could capitalize on that. What I 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.919 wanted to say though, was also the reason why they 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:09.119 had chosen iron Man, because remember we were like, what 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.760 is this This comic isn't even doing well? Was because 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.200 they had done a test study um, which we can 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.080 include the link to, and kids were more interested in 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.200 playing with Iron Man toys over the other Marvel characters 0:17:20.280 --> 0:17:22.479 at the time. Yeah, which I think time Captain America 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.240 thor whoever they had the rights left to, because Marvel 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:29.120 at that point was absorbing back some of the rights 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:31.520 of these characters because they had sold out the rights 0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.680 to other characters like the X Men, the Fantastic Four, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.800 Spider Man, Uh, Punisher wasn't New Line, right, dared Evil 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:39.960 was it Fox? All these characters were kind of scattered, 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:41.720 so all they had left was, like you said, Danny, 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.679 the B and C list level characters. The funny thing 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.159 is that within the fictional universe of Marvel, within that world, 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:52.000 the Avengers are like the best the the Avengers are 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.200 the characters that every everybody else in the world looks 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.280 up to. Captain America is like the Patriarch, He's like 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.280 the North Star, right Tony Stark, iron Man Chain ages 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.120 the world, Thor as this incredible heroic god the characters 0:18:04.200 --> 0:18:05.919 like the X Men and Spider Man look up to 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.480 because they're more like the outcasts. So I think it's 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.480 so fascinating that all of those characters didn't get movies. 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:13.480 At one point, Tom Cruise was rumored to be doing 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:14.960 an Iron Man at Paramount, like he was going to 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:17.840 be Tony Stark. They even started kind of drawing Tony 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:19.399 Stark to look like Tom Cruise and some of the 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.160 comics because they kind of knew, like it's gonna happen, 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.199 Paramount's gonna be and then it didn't happen. But um, 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:27.480 I think it's so funny and so perfect that the 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.400 Marvel Cinematic universe, this whole franchise still treated those characters 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.919 like the sort of big shots that they were, that 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:37.840 they were the foundations of this world, because that's how 0:18:37.920 --> 0:18:40.880 they work. In the comics, it's they have similar relationships 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.840 where Spider Man is this younger guy who looks up 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:46.280 to characters like Captain America and actually doesn't think he's 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:48.520 sillier goofy, but thinks like, yeah, this guy was a 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.439 hero back in the day. So when they had the 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:52.280 rights to all these characters left, they looked at it 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.879 and they went, we we have the Avengers technically, so 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:57.479 we can either do an Avengers movie or we can 0:18:57.520 --> 0:18:59.879 do an Iron Man movie. See how that does Captain 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:01.640 and America movie a form and then kind of build 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:04.040 up to it, and if we do a good enough job, 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:07.000 we can convince the public audience the same way Marvel 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.760 readers of comics get it that when you watch a 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:13.760 story from this world, Tony Stark is a big deal. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:16.280 Captain America is a big deal. Thor is a big deal. 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.600 The Avengers are you know, they're bomp bomp bottom. They're 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.200 the big show. And every other team and every other 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:24.640 character is just kind of like they're kind of doing 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.320 their own thing and they're almost in the fringes so 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:28.600 and especially the way that they ended up treating later 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.320 Captain America. And they do not think he's a joke. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.560 They're like, this is earnestly just such a good guy 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:36.520 that yeah, we're telling you how good he is. We're 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:38.119 showing you how good he is. We're telling you that 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:41.040 every character thinks and knows this guy is the best, 0:19:41.320 --> 0:19:43.639 which just helps the world. It builds it up. You know, 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:46.560 you don't have aunt Man scoffing at Captain America. He's like, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:49.320 you're Captain America. Oh my god, Hi, it's great to 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:50.720 meet you, you you know, And it's like when you hear 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.520 characters say that the audience goes, oh, yeah, that's Captain America. 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.600 What a big deal. And and to touch on what 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:00.920 will be a constant theme throughout this con sation is 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.760 and that's the strength and the foundation in the Marvel 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:07.760 movies is they let their superheroes be superheroes. You could 0:20:07.760 --> 0:20:12.399 tell there's a general passion for just comics and who 0:20:12.480 --> 0:20:16.600 they are and in a later episode, Uh, you broke. 0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:19.080 Your boys are gonna at me for this, but DC 0:20:19.480 --> 0:20:23.040 just that that is I think the overwhelming problem with 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.640 their movies is it feels like the people who are 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.720 making them are like, we gotta make them cool. You 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:30.360 don't have to make that. As a matter of fact, 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:34.439 I think the reason that the Dark Knight trilogy was 0:20:34.480 --> 0:20:37.880 so successful is that Norton got in there and was like, Oh, 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:41.040 he's a detective. Let's zero in on that. Let's make 0:20:41.200 --> 0:20:45.560 a a detective. Yeah, Nolan, what did I say? Said 0:20:45.800 --> 0:20:51.480 Edward Norton. No, I think you're right. I think I 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.679 think it's tough to like, especially with characters like this 0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.360 are larger than life. You get that temptation to go, well, 0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.800 how do we sell this to an adult audience. Let's 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:02.160 make it very complex and interesting and challenging. You don't 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.199 necessarily have to do that with characters that are that 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:07.399 are like this for kids, characters like Superman and Captain 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:10.399 America and Thor you know what I mean. Like they're like, 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.560 you just gotta treat them like dudes, do go into 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.320 our improv brains. You just gotta make your base reality. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.159 Stop trying to take their world and put it in 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.919 our world. Making the base reality and build on that. Simple. 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:25.119 But let's jump over to an incredible hole. They started. 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.159 He started doing it two months later. That was a 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.080 fun time. So what do you consider this? I really 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.600 like this movie, but it is not the same as 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:37.880 the rest of them. When these first two movies came out, 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:39.679 iron Man in The Incredible Hulk, I was like, I 0:21:39.760 --> 0:21:42.640 was like, they're both the same quality. They're kind of not. 0:21:43.000 --> 0:21:45.680 But to me, it feels like everything that the Iron 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.879 Man movies doing for Iron Man treating him like a 0:21:47.880 --> 0:21:50.440 great character having fun, because that character is fun. He's 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:52.840 in the beginning, he's sleeping around, he's you know, and 0:21:52.880 --> 0:21:55.560 at the end him and him and Gwyneth Paltrow start dating, 0:21:55.560 --> 0:21:59.200 and so he's such a likable guy and he gets 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.560 to have that fun. Meanwhile, Edward Norton, who I think 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.240 that a really good job is Bruce Banner. He cannot 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.920 even have sex with his girlfriend because if he does, 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:10.080 he'll turn into the Hulk. Like so it's not fun 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:13.199 to watch Bruce like suffer, like he's suffering through this, 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:14.320 do you know what I mean? It's that doesn't have 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:18.680 that same escapismus want to Hulk, so you know, I mean, hey, 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:23.360 maybe Bruce in the Streets and the Hulk, you know, yeah, 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.800 we didn't get that fun until Josh Weeden was like, 0:22:25.880 --> 0:22:27.880 let me try this, and then he did the Hulk 0:22:27.920 --> 0:22:30.520 Mark Ruffalo in The Avengers, which was the most like 0:22:30.520 --> 0:22:33.600 like escapism sort of relief in such a fun moment 0:22:33.600 --> 0:22:36.280 when he's like, it's my secret cup, I'm always angry 0:22:36.520 --> 0:22:39.760 and held right there. It's so fun, We'll see fun. 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.960 I feel like this was a problem that even in 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:45.040 the comics Hulk Cat where they just made Bruce Banner 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.040 so depressing because if he was just yeah, he's this 0:22:48.080 --> 0:22:50.560 guy who has this curse and he can't fix this curse, 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.840 and he's supposed to be super smart but he can't 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:57.320 put the problems together, but he never It really is 0:22:57.359 --> 0:23:00.840 like the reason I feel Mark rough kind of took 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.159 a turn on it is the problem with a lot 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:05.280 of these bruces. They never just tried to embrace it. 0:23:05.359 --> 0:23:08.120 They just always tried to fight it right, and then 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.040 it was an undending cycle because the colt can't be 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.560 beat even by the Hulk himself. Absolutely, And at least 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:17.240 in that old seventies show Incredible Hulk with Bill Bixby 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.320 and Lufer Rigno, Bill Bixby's David Banner, he was still 0:23:20.320 --> 0:23:23.119 helping people every week. That was another difference. You know, 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:25.119 yes he did he had a monster, but like a 0:23:25.160 --> 0:23:26.960 little kid would show up and be like, oh, you know, 0:23:27.000 --> 0:23:29.400 I'm being abused in my foster family whatever, and then 0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:32.320 Banner would help that kid and and so so I 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:34.640 think that the Avengers got it right because it showed 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:36.639 us a Bruce that was like I was in Calcutta, 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:38.480 I was helping people. I was fine, and then you 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:40.600 shield people pulled me in and did this and blah 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:43.600 blah blah. But um, but back to the Incredible Hulk movie, 0:23:43.640 --> 0:23:46.600 like it's it's I think it's not as bad as people. Remember. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.040 I just get white whatever c G I or whatever 0:23:50.080 --> 0:23:52.199 you call it doesn't hold up. Some shots do when 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:54.159 it's like real far away and Hulks just running in 0:23:54.200 --> 0:23:56.040 the distance like next to a jeep. I'm like, that's 0:23:56.040 --> 0:23:58.199 a real Hulk, but it's some of it doesn't hold up. 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:00.360 You're right, and I also think it's not the fun. 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.280 I get why it's not Pople's favorite character. Yet it's 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.920 not there yet. But again, you go back two months earlier. 0:24:05.960 --> 0:24:08.440 The successive Iron Man meant that they moved a post 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:10.080 credit scene and you could tell it was a post 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.960 credit scene to the end of that movie to show 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.240 us Tony Stark showing up. And that was a huge 0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.800 thing about The Incredible Hulk is that Tony was. They 0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:21.359 were really planting the seeds of We're crossing over, and 0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.040 they were putting at in the commerce and the TV commercials, Danny. 0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:26.160 They were showing us like Tony Stark in The Incredible 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.800 Hulk this weekend, and people were like, because it was 0:24:28.840 --> 0:24:30.640 in the TV commercials and only in their first second 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:33.200 at the end, but still so we had Stanley's cameo 0:24:33.320 --> 0:24:35.320 in there as well. Did we have one in an 0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:38.560 Iron Man the first Iron Man movie. I believe he's 0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:43.399 mistaken for Larry King. Oh that one. Yeah, because an 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.840 Iron Man too. It's he half turns around or maybe 0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:49.840 I'm getting no swap. Maybe he's Larry King and Iron 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:53.120 Man too, and he's half and whatever. But we are 0:24:53.480 --> 0:24:55.560 the Hulk. He's drinking the soda and it drops. He 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:59.199 goes wow. Speaking speaking of Iron Man too, we are 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:02.119 moving on to Need ten. It is set six months 0:25:02.200 --> 0:25:06.040 after Iron Man. Yeah, yeah, this was This was the 0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.719 golden ages of Marvel movies when you got a sequel next. 0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.960 You know, now you enjoy movie and your sequel. You've 0:25:12.960 --> 0:25:15.560 got three movies in front of your movie. Ye. Same 0:25:15.640 --> 0:25:18.879 with Marvel, Netflix like everyone out five other series and 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:22.240 then you get your sequel. Yeah, I remember before Jessica Jones, 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.320 people are like, oh what we gotta wait for what? 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:28.360 You know? It's true, Like they have not announced the 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.959 release date for Black Panther two yet. Oh yeah, like 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:33.199 what what date is it coming in here? We don't know. 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.840 I feel like that's going to be a movie that's 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:37.800 going to be bumped up to whatever they have on 0:25:37.840 --> 0:25:41.800 the drawing board, like the moment it beat Titanic, they're like, yet, 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:50.159 let's okay. So we had Fabri returning as director, um 0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:55.000 and uh oh. This might have been around the time. Yeah, 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:57.919 and two thousand or around the time that Disney had 0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.119 bought Marvel was the year before. Yeah, this is the 0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.880 first like post, you know, and I forget, I can't 0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.960 even remember that world before they were all connected, the 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:10.080 Marvel Star Wars Disney like Trinity thing. It was back 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:11.879 in the day. It was all going to be at paramount, 0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.320 like paramount, except for the Hulk, which still had to 0:26:14.320 --> 0:26:15.960 deal with Universal, but they were all going to be 0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:18.760 paramount movies. And I think they still were paramount up 0:26:18.840 --> 0:26:21.760 until I think even Avengers still might have the Paramount 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:24.159 logo on it, but then they because it's just like 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:26.960 a distribution thing or it's you know, it's it's Hollywood deals, 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.520 whatever the cases. But but Disney now owns marveled like 0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:32.320 they got it um and they'll own everything else. So 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:34.120 I want to do a little side fact that you 0:26:34.320 --> 0:26:37.160 I believe it might have been at geakon Sundury did 0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:42.000 a Marvel movie marathon and nobody signed up for so 0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.320 essentially all of us hosts could sign up to watch 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.679 along with the guys that heroes, which is what Hector 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:51.520 does with Augustine Rio's and Adam Lavic to show that 0:26:51.560 --> 0:26:53.480 they had and they and all of us hosts could 0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:56.280 like sign up, and nobody signed up for Iron Man too, 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:57.960 So I had to come in for Iron Man too, 0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.560 which I didn't hate. It's an again. I don't think 0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.879 it's a movie as bad as people say. It's just 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:06.040 not as good as there was a parrot there other stuff. Yeah, 0:27:06.320 --> 0:27:09.800 you had to make your work again, wrestler. I love 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:14.000 justin Sam Rockwell. I love Sam Rockwell. That race car 0:27:14.040 --> 0:27:15.800 scene was great, but it's it's it's a it's a 0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.160 failure of a movie. It's all over the place. Feel 0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:20.280 the same now when you look at it's not as cohesive. 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:22.639 But what I have been observing is that a lot 0:27:22.680 --> 0:27:25.120 of people are doing these sort of recaps as Infinity 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:27.240 War comes out, and people when they're revisiting Iron Man too, 0:27:27.240 --> 0:27:29.960 they're like, even when Marvel failed, it's still a success, 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.399 Like it's still fine, It's still moves some of the 0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.240 characters forward. We get to we get introduced to Black Widow, 0:27:35.720 --> 0:27:38.119 Natasha Romanov, Scarlett Johansson's in the mix, you know, we 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.200 get a little bit more Nick Fury, we get more 0:27:40.200 --> 0:27:42.760 of the father son's stuff between Tony and his dad Howard, 0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:46.760 and yeah, I mean it's it's not great, but um, 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:48.920 you know there's some good make your work lines in there. Yeah. 0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.159 I just love Sam Rockwell. It always does it for me. 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:53.120 I would rather watch iron Man too than Thor Too, 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.359 which we'll get too. So yeah. Well, speaking of which, yeah, 0:27:57.600 --> 0:28:00.400 next movie is Thorn two thousand and eleven. And this 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.199 was Man. This is when I knew Marvel could do it, 0:28:03.359 --> 0:28:07.080 because I knew Iron Man was a superhero. But I 0:28:07.119 --> 0:28:10.080 was like, people can get iron Man, people can get 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:12.879 Iron Man, people could get the Hulk, but how are 0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:16.600 they going to get this as guardian God to fit 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.000 on the silver screen with all these people and get 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:23.280 people to still believe that everything isn't crazy. I think 0:28:23.720 --> 0:28:26.720 in addition to that test with the kids preferring iron 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.040 Man versus other characters, I think another reason is when 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:31.800 Marvel looked at their character's iron Man Captain America Thorne, 0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.560 the easiest cell is iron Man. It's the easiest one 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:36.640 because Captain America is like, Okay, he's this dude fights 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:38.920 in World War Two, he fights Nazis, he is a shield, 0:28:39.080 --> 0:28:40.840 he's dressed in red, white and blue. His name is 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:44.120 Captain America. That's that's a tough sell. Thor is another 0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.120 tough sell. It's like Thor, the Viking god of Thunder. 0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:48.800 He is from Norse mythology. His brother's Loki. His brother's 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.440 evil but kind of not his father's Odin. He comes 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.480 to earth. He's a superhero. He's got you know. It's 0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.600 like we also adventures in babysitting and how Thor was 0:28:56.640 --> 0:28:59.160 portrayed there by Vincent Dinofrio kind of and that little 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:00.680 kid that worshiped the Or. And so it's like it's 0:29:00.680 --> 0:29:02.880 a tough sale because it's so out there. How are 0:29:02.920 --> 0:29:05.120 you going to do a rainbow bridge? And then they 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.719 made it look cool. The by frost look dope when 0:29:07.760 --> 0:29:10.000 they're riding on it with horses, it's cool. Oh yeah. 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.720 And then you had just to dip into two thousand 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:17.400 eleven himsl That was that was a controversy because they 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.160 had our man. This This was early Idris. This is 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:24.520 fresh off the wire Atris. People who haven't had idrismania 0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.640 now I think I even think the people who were 0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:30.080 mad now think they're stupid for being mad about Idris 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.800 being hiped out has the crown. Now. This is early Adris. 0:29:34.040 --> 0:29:38.160 He was himed off and white people were very mad 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:42.720 about it because there there is a thing with Viking mythology, 0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:48.800 also Viking imagery. It's very synonymous with white supremacy. It 0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.400 is very much so like grabbed some of that, so 0:29:51.960 --> 0:29:55.640 you gotta be careful with Yeah. So it was a 0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.240 smart move on Marvel to be like, let's diversify this, 0:29:58.480 --> 0:30:03.120 but also going to make people mad because you know, 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:06.040 even if people aren't, you know, looking to it for 0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:10.440 the white supremacy side, people have this like comic book Yeah, 0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:13.880 I don't understand that. Oh, I get it. It's a racism. 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.480 It is now, That's exactly what it is. It's like, well, 0:30:16.600 --> 0:30:19.160 she can't, but there's no possible way this fictional character 0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.360 could be any other color race, even though they're a 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:24.680 fictional character. When even when you remind people comic book fans, 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:26.960 dude bros like myself that are like, I love this 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:28.400 stuff and have since I was a kid, when you 0:30:28.440 --> 0:30:33.520 remind them most of these characters were created sixties earlier 0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.720 by white dudes, and that was the audience, and that 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:39.320 things like characters like Black Panther and then you know, 0:30:39.400 --> 0:30:41.520 ten fifteen years later Luke Cage in the seventies, and 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.920 then you know, years later, these characters were the exception 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.760 to the norm um. These books and these casts of 0:30:46.840 --> 0:30:50.440 characters were not automatically diverse. Marvel did a bunch of 0:30:50.440 --> 0:30:52.600 great stuff and other companies d C at the time. 0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:54.840 They have a lot of examples of great diversity in 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:56.640 their past, but they still have a lot of examples 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:59.080 where it's mostly white characters. You see things like the 0:30:59.120 --> 0:31:01.120 Flash TV show where they're like, okay, we got to 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.840 cast Iris as a black woman, will make her whole 0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.120 family like a black family, to have that diversity, to 0:31:06.120 --> 0:31:09.000 have the representation, because most of these characters in their 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.320 longevity there from the sixties or earlier. And when you 0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.280 explain that still to people, they still take it as 0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.160 well that stuff should still kind of work today. It's 0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:19.160 like it does not. It does not represent the world, 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:24.680 is not current world, absolutely so I think Marvel knew that. 0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.280 And even from Iron Man one, they're like, well, we 0:31:26.320 --> 0:31:28.320 have to have Jim Rhodes and it was played by 0:31:28.320 --> 0:31:30.360 actor Terrence Howard in that first Iron Man movie and 0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:32.560 then he was recast. But still it's like with each 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.280 of these movies will have a core cast of like 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.320 four or five people and it will be as kind 0:31:36.320 --> 0:31:39.080 of diverse as we can make it. You know, Natalie 0:31:39.160 --> 0:31:41.600 Portman's Jane Foster was one of the main characters in 0:31:41.800 --> 0:31:44.560 Thor and with Thor, that character, that actor was kind 0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.080 of unknown at the time. Chris Hemsworth was coming off 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.200 of like, oh, he played the dad in Star Trek 0:31:49.480 --> 0:31:51.920 two years before for two seconds and then died. Yeah, 0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:55.840 but he had the Hemsworth name behind. But it's a 0:31:56.000 --> 0:32:00.520 name now, it's I mean, he owns he it now. 0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.400 He had because his brother with the Games was like 0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:07.959 moving up, like I'm the best Hunt and Chris was like, no, no, 0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.440 not watch this, give me this hammer. So like you know, 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.240 these Marvel movies. And then we get to when we 0:32:13.240 --> 0:32:15.160 get to Captain America's set in World War Two, and 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:18.920 there still took a troop of Allied soldiers fighting in 0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:21.920 the European Theater of War. And you still see a 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:24.960 French person, a British person, a black soldier, the character 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:27.720 Gabe Jones, you see even an Asian guy and somebody 0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:29.920 calls him out. In that movie, Neil mcdonna's character dumped 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:32.440 them dugins like oh, we're taking everybody now, because that's 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.200 historically you know, that's a nice way to put what 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.520 he how he probably would have reacted when he saw 0:32:37.520 --> 0:32:39.520 an Asian guy and the guy, you know, Jim Maritas, 0:32:39.520 --> 0:32:41.479 the character he grabs his dog tags and he goes, hey, 0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:44.800 I'm from Fresno Ace. Because they cause they still need 0:32:44.840 --> 0:32:48.160 to have that kind of representation and to show different 0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.360 types of characters. Peggy Carter was like a high ranking 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.680 soldier in like you know, the U S. Army, and 0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:55.720 she's like a British woman, you know so so, and 0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.680 then that all that did, I think was allow them 0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:00.640 to get to a point where when we zip forward 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:04.440 to Spider Man Homecoming, Spider Man is played is Peter Parker, 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.320 and he's played by Tom Holland. And Peter Parker and 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.640 his aunt may are white characters, but his school that 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:11.280 he goes to is like the most diverse high school 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.000 I've seen. It been a big black Paster movie. It's 0:33:14.040 --> 0:33:18.880 the most realistic portrayal on the screen. Absolutely. That's why 0:33:18.920 --> 0:33:21.200 it fell on Death Bears when people would get mad 0:33:21.240 --> 0:33:23.440 when Donald Glover said Spider Man could be black and 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:26.800 all this, like he lives in New York, he lives 0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:33.600 in Queens and predominantly black neighborhood, Like you're dumb. You're 0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.400 dumb if you think anything. Besides, there should be more 0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:40.960 people of color in this world, so do just knock 0:33:41.000 --> 0:33:43.800 out thor Um. In this movie, Thor, the crown Prince 0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.760 of Asgard, has banished to Earth and a stript of 0:33:45.800 --> 0:33:48.240 his powered after he reignites a dormant war. As his 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:51.040 brother Loki Platza take the throne for himself, Thor must 0:33:51.040 --> 0:33:54.200 prove himself worthy and reclaim the hammerd more year. This 0:33:54.360 --> 0:33:57.800 is a big moment because Loki becomes a power player 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:01.040 within Avengers and without really yeah, it starts to become 0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:03.840 people's favorite villain. I feel like. And it was after 0:34:03.920 --> 0:34:07.240 watching like an early cut of Thor that Josh Weeden said, oh, 0:34:07.320 --> 0:34:09.520 he's going to be the bad guy in Avengers, because 0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.279 at the time Marvel had the plan that Loki was 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.719 going to team up with Red Skull, the villain from 0:34:13.760 --> 0:34:15.960 Captain America, who we see at the end kind of 0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.080 disintegrate and we don't know what happens to be the 0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.239 bad guys of Avengers because they're like, well, we're gonna 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:21.919 have we need two bad guys for six good guys, 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:23.719 and Whedon was like, no, no, no, it can just 0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.040 be Loki because Tom Hidlson did such a good job 0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.399 and he was right. Yeah, he was right. So yeah, 0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:31.120 we didn't actually had directed the post credit scene for this, 0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:35.200 so Kenneth Brauner had directed Thor and then Joss Sweden directed, Yeah, 0:34:35.200 --> 0:34:37.879 the post credit scene. One other thing is we got 0:34:38.000 --> 0:34:44.560 hawk eyes and another note where he's a Renner when 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.880 he goes to fire an arrow but then does it. 0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:51.040 But it was such a cute like wink to the 0:34:51.080 --> 0:34:53.360 audience where it's like, yeah, you want this, you gotta 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:57.400 wait for the next one. Yeah, I mean the shield 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.520 put this away. I think the way they shot that, 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:01.040 that may have been one of the last things they shot. 0:35:01.080 --> 0:35:02.759 It almost feels like because he's just up in a 0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.560 little cream as the action in the movie's happening, and 0:35:05.640 --> 0:35:07.279 he's like you call it, call it Chief, you know, 0:35:07.320 --> 0:35:08.879 call it Colson. I'm gonna hit him. You know. It's 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:10.399 like they could have they filmed that on a set 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.319 on a great screen. Doesn't matter because I think they 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:18.799 were working out the negotiations of casting trailer knowing it's like, bro, 0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:20.319 we need you to be a Camy in this movie, 0:35:20.360 --> 0:35:23.120 but really be in Avengers, which don't let me forget 0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.000 that we need to talk about how he's not really 0:35:25.040 --> 0:35:28.600 around right now. Oh yeah, we'll get into that when 0:35:28.600 --> 0:35:31.320 we get closer to uh to our Infinity War coverage. 0:35:31.560 --> 0:35:35.640 But moving on, I was gonna say up next. Ye. 0:35:35.880 --> 0:35:39.240 This is the movie that made me that really solidified 0:35:39.320 --> 0:35:42.560 my love for the m c U. This is when 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.160 I was like, I'm in un locked in baby, because 0:35:45.200 --> 0:35:49.680 I've always been a big Captain America fans since Civil War. 0:35:50.160 --> 0:35:52.560 That's when I was sold on. Captain America was always 0:35:52.600 --> 0:35:55.440 the comics. Yeah, since Civil War. In the comics, like 0:35:55.520 --> 0:35:57.239 I would see Captain America and I'll be like, all right, 0:35:57.239 --> 0:36:00.520 he's too cheesy. But to see him really and up 0:36:00.560 --> 0:36:03.960 for what he believes in in the Civil War crossover event, 0:36:04.520 --> 0:36:06.319 that's when I was like, this is my guy. And 0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.960 then it just got real cool because then Bucky got 0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:12.520 involved in it was just very like Steve Rogers, Like 0:36:12.600 --> 0:36:15.440 I was a Captain America fans, so when this movie 0:36:15.480 --> 0:36:18.960 came out, I didn't know what they're gonna do, and 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.800 then when I saw what they did, it was great. Also, 0:36:22.840 --> 0:36:25.760 this is the first movie to have Avenger in the title, 0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:30.160 So this is this movie launched type level to the 0:36:30.200 --> 0:36:34.279 max because it's called Captain America the first Avenger, which 0:36:34.320 --> 0:36:36.560 is I think a double entendre in a way because 0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:40.120 it's like the first Avenger to exist, but also the 0:36:40.200 --> 0:36:43.160 first guy, the first first first. I totally agree with 0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:45.759 you if that I had such a hard time connecting 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.080 with characters that are like Captain America or Superman. I 0:36:49.080 --> 0:36:51.320 know people don't like comparing them, but or I would 0:36:51.320 --> 0:36:54.080 go as far as say Goku anyone that's kind of 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:56.200 like this. I don't want to say pure hearted. I 0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:59.640 mean Goku is purehearted. But but these good characters, good 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:02.400 characters I have a really hard time connecting because I 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.040 think that they're corny and and the comics, yeah, you know, 0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:11.360 I've always I like Tony, I like the Billionaire Alcoholics UM. 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.439 But but it was really interesting Tomorrow Brooks, who's a writer, 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:17.720 she's worked on UM a bunch of things, and she's 0:37:17.760 --> 0:37:20.360 she does a lot of the stuff at Luke Crate. 0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:22.879 But she once I was on a panel with her 0:37:22.880 --> 0:37:26.759 and she said, that's our problem is our inability to 0:37:26.880 --> 0:37:30.439 either write or connect to kind characters like that us, 0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.359 like you were saying, as cynical people. Either. Sometimes people 0:37:33.360 --> 0:37:36.080 will get you know, they'll be writing for these characters, 0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:38.680 and they have a hard time showing them as anything 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.080 other than one dimensional, which is other than good and 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.080 pure um. And that we also as readers have a 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.200 hard time connecting to them because we can't fathom a 0:37:46.200 --> 0:37:48.279 world where you would act like that or where you 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:50.960 would be like that. You had challenge. It is definitely 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:53.399 a challenge and and so it's a testament to this. 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:57.000 The producers in the makers of this film, of this 0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.920 franchise that they were like, we cannot try to change 0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:01.560 his character too much to try to get him to 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:04.560 fit towards modern audiences, because they knew they're like for 0:38:04.600 --> 0:38:06.759 this thing to work, for the Avengers to work. If 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.120 if Captain America is a part of the Avengers, if 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:11.120 Captain America is going to be running around with characters 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:14.000 like Iron Man and later like we'll see you know, 0:38:14.120 --> 0:38:16.719 doctor Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy and those 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.399 characters do cool shit, like they're super cool. Right, how 0:38:20.440 --> 0:38:22.839 do we make like what's cool about Captain America? What's 0:38:22.840 --> 0:38:24.960 cool about him? As if he starts as this skinny kid, 0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:27.920 he doesn't want to kill anybody, He just hates bullies. 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:30.080 He doesn't care where they're from. And if you think 0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:33.000 that's a dumb idea, like, then this character is not 0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:36.279 for you, because he will still fight for what's right. 0:38:36.360 --> 0:38:39.440 He will still save your life whether you think he's 0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:42.120 cheesy or not, you know. And and there's a there's 0:38:42.120 --> 0:38:44.640 a couple of instances where this character had to prove 0:38:44.719 --> 0:38:47.120 himself in the world and to us, and now he 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:48.600 doesn't have to anywhere. Now he's showing up with a 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:54.040 beard and long hair, and we like, have you've been buddy? 0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:56.360 You know. But but back then it was like the 0:38:56.400 --> 0:38:58.279 moment that happens in The Avengers is when he's wearing 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.799 that silly costume and he drops down on the cars 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.200 like I need to set up a perimeter as far 0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:04.560 back as in the cops, like why should I listen 0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:06.480 to you? And then aliens show up and he just 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:09.120 kicks a crap out of him and then turns around 0:39:09.120 --> 0:39:11.160 on the cops like we're gonna need a perimeter back 0:39:11.160 --> 0:39:13.120 from you know. It's it's again. It's the movie telling 0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:15.160 the audience like that you can listen to this guy. 0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:18.200 He he is inspiring, he will inspire you. And in 0:39:18.239 --> 0:39:21.880 Captain America, my favorite moment might be when he's little skinny, 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.000 Steve he's ninety eight pounds, and Tommy Lee Jones throws 0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:27.560 a grenade, And what a great idea to cast Tommy 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.959 Lee Jones as the cynic who he gets one over 0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:31.759 by Steve Rogers. You know what I mean? That's how 0:39:31.960 --> 0:39:34.600 like again, that's just Tommy Lee Jones telling the audience like, 0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:36.440 this guy is a real deal. You're gonna listen to. 0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.359 You're gonna listen to Agent k Right. It's a good 0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:41.800 judge of character. So when he throws that fake grenade 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:44.719 and Steve Rogers jumps on it, get back, get back, 0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:47.120 and he thinks it's gonna explode, and he thinks he's 0:39:47.120 --> 0:39:49.640 going to die and he's just saving a few lives 0:39:49.680 --> 0:39:52.800 in like a training camp. You know, it's like that moment. 0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.759 I'm like, that's this That is the same character when 0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:58.360 you track him from two thousand eleven to two thousand eighteen, 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:01.600 seven years of Chris Evan's playing this character, that's essentially 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:04.680 the same character. Today he's gonna stand up against Fanos. 0:40:04.680 --> 0:40:07.120 That's the grenade, when he's skinny, it's the same thing. 0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.839 So they were so smart to have moments like that 0:40:10.000 --> 0:40:12.640 and Captain America the First Adventure, I think up to 0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.480 this point is the most romantic Marvel movie between him 0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.520 and Peggy. So I know that a lot of female 0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.120 audiences around the world really appreciated that they actually took 0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.239 time to do that. And because again at the end, 0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.880 when he sacrifices himself, that should be a moment. And 0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:29.080 when you see Peggy Carter crying because they had a date. 0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:32.799 And he's this character who's a good character, but not 0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:35.120 everything's gonna go his way. Steve does not have an 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:36.879 easy life, and that's another thing that makes you root 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.560 for him. It's like, man, yeah, he is such a great, 0:40:38.600 --> 0:40:39.840 great guy, but look what he has to do in 0:40:40.040 --> 0:40:41.600 Civil War, the comic book, Look what he has to 0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:44.280 do and Captain America the first Avenger. He sacrifices himself. 0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.360 He wakes up in the future. Nick Fury says, you 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:48.200 know you okay, Cap, and he goes, yeah, I had 0:40:48.200 --> 0:40:50.839 a date, and you're just heartbroken. But he's still going 0:40:50.880 --> 0:40:52.879 to keep doing what he's doing. And if you can 0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:56.000 get behind that guy, if you can have Sebastian Stands 0:40:56.080 --> 0:40:59.080 character Bucky Barnes say, I'm not following this big beefy 0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.800 guy I'm following the kid from Brooklyn. That's who I'm following, 0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:03.879 you know that, Skinny Kid. And then later he meets 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.759 Spider Man in Captain America Civil War and he's like, 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:07.480 where you from, kid, And he's like Queens and he's 0:41:07.480 --> 0:41:10.279 like Brooklyn, Like it's that. You know that same moment, 0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.439 Like it's it's They just did such a good job 0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:15.200 of treating his character with respect that made everybody fall 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.279 in love with him. And then we're ready for the Avengers. Man. 0:41:18.320 --> 0:41:21.400 Oh yeah. Just to recap for those who weren't lapped 0:41:21.480 --> 0:41:24.760 up and enthralled in Hector's wonderful speech, I love Steve. 0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:27.360 He's one of my guys. It's his it's his origin story. 0:41:27.360 --> 0:41:29.680 It starts in present day they find this frozen body, 0:41:29.800 --> 0:41:32.239 then they smashed cuts to the past World War two, 0:41:32.680 --> 0:41:36.239 pretty much what what Hector said. Skinny Kid wants to 0:41:36.320 --> 0:41:39.719 be a Great Soldier, gets put in the Super Soldier program, 0:41:39.840 --> 0:41:44.040 Great kicks uh Red Skull into flames, he disintegrates and 0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:48.879 smash into the Avengers, which, oh boy, this was this 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:50.920 was it. This is what we've all been waiting for. 0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:54.400 It is and we will get to it right after 0:41:54.480 --> 0:42:07.360 the break and we're back. How is it going everyone? 0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:09.920 I hope you like that wonderful ad? Who knews what 0:42:09.920 --> 0:42:11.880 it was for? Maybe one of our wonderful house stuff 0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:13.600 work shows, or I wonder if it was for the 0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:15.840 lamb skin condoms that I think we're going to start 0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.160 excited to get a pack of them so I can 0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:26.080 try them out. Yeah. Across from me Isez and with 0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:30.080 us is Hector Navarro and we're going through the Marvel 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:33.400 Cinematic universe, you know, giving you the quick smash cut 0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:37.399 course and you know, getting into some speculation after Wait, so, 0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.080 um they have an event? Are you doing it? I 0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:42.640 know each year like Nurdics has the marathon. Is it 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:46.120 twenty four hours? Now? It must be like it's like 0:42:46.480 --> 0:42:49.680 I think I think, I don't know, they haven't put 0:42:49.680 --> 0:42:51.680 out what movies if they're going to be all of them, 0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:53.319 But it's like I think there was all of them. 0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:56.240 I don't know. I think it's like a two day event. Well, anyways, 0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.480 we're giving you the crash course of just you know, 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.280 some important things for Remember, we're not doing a full 0:43:01.320 --> 0:43:03.520 recap of each thing, just like things that stood out 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.280 for us as we move along the way. To save 0:43:06.320 --> 0:43:09.440 you from a two day marathon, unless you want to 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:11.520 do that, because more power to you. Yeah. So now 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:15.319 we're in The Avengers, which it was great because you know, 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:18.400 we saw Loki not too long ago. We know about 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:22.040 the Tests Iract, we don't we don't the Tests Irect 0:43:22.120 --> 0:43:26.560 is this glowing blue cube of energy. We know it 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:30.160 has immense power. The Nazis wanted it, Loki wanted it, 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:32.720 but at this point we don't know it's an Infinity Stone. 0:43:32.960 --> 0:43:36.239 We don't. You know, there's speculation. The hardcore fans are 0:43:36.320 --> 0:43:39.040 kind of like poking at that, but the you know, 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:43.120 to really make the Infinity Stone, guess valid, you need 0:43:43.160 --> 0:43:45.239 a second one. And we get to that later. But 0:43:45.400 --> 0:43:47.839 right now there's the Tests Iract. The Tests React, which 0:43:47.880 --> 0:43:49.719 is the fancy word for in the comic books, was 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.760 called the Cosmic Cube, which yea, was just that weapon 0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.440 that the Red Skull used the enemy of Captain America. 0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:58.319 And we get to The Avengers and like you said, 0:43:58.360 --> 0:44:00.880 we saw Loki and if you stayed past the credits 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:03.200 at the end of Thorpe, we even see Loki alive, 0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:05.960 so we know he didn't die and drop in that 0:44:06.080 --> 0:44:09.160 you know, expanse when Anthony Hopkins Odin was like, no, Loki, 0:44:09.239 --> 0:44:10.799 and then he just let go because he was sad 0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.360 because his dad yelled at him. But um, the Avengers, 0:44:13.360 --> 0:44:16.360 you guys, I mean, we all remember what it was 0:44:16.400 --> 0:44:18.680 like when that movie came out. It's it really did 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.080 change the world to change blockbusters that had the biggest 0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:24.399 highest like opening weekend ever for that first weekend, made 0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.319 over two million dollars in that on the first three 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:30.480 days and went on to become the third highest grossing 0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:34.719 film at the time, which is nuts and I love 0:44:34.760 --> 0:44:37.719 The Avengers. Avengers is again so simple. It's just about 0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:40.640 the characters teaming up. Tony Stark, iron Man, is doing 0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.080 his homework and he's learning about Steve Rogers, Captain America, 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:45.480 who has been thought out and Nick Fury's you know, 0:44:45.520 --> 0:44:48.319 recruiting him. They're learning about Bruce Banner Hulk now played 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:51.880 by Mark Ruffalo. They're learning about Natasha Romanov Black Widow, 0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.799 Clint Barton Hawkeye, the two Shield agents that are going 0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.799 to help this team, and um, the last person on 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.799 the team after they go in get Loki is Thor. 0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:03.920 He shows up to try to get his brother back, right, 0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:06.760 So we're getting this crossover and they spend two hours 0:45:07.239 --> 0:45:10.799 building up these characters various interactions. The Hulk freaks out 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:14.000 on the shield Hell carrier, on their headquarters, the Hulk 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:16.840 freaks out, the team disbands, but all it is is 0:45:16.920 --> 0:45:19.800 leading up to, like seriously, two hours into the movie, 0:45:20.640 --> 0:45:22.200 like a two and a half hour, two hour, forty 0:45:22.239 --> 0:45:25.399 minute movie of the Avengers just assembling for the first time. 0:45:25.400 --> 0:45:27.800 Because when you get that shot, when Bruce Banner finally 0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.480 shows up, he says, that's my secret cap. I'm always 0:45:30.480 --> 0:45:33.000 angry and he hulkes out after you know, Iron Man says, 0:45:33.000 --> 0:45:35.440 tell him to suit up. You know, these characters are 0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:37.839 just standing next to each other as the camera does 0:45:37.840 --> 0:45:40.600 that three sixty and it has become an iconic shot. 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.279 And that's the entire point of this movie. They beat 0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:46.480 up the bad guys, Hulk hulks out, Hulk smashes people 0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.040 wants him to do. That's what they don't realize in 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:52.200 the other films, is that is what Hulk does. He smashes, 0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:54.759 and you gotta let Hulk do his thing. Yeah, yeah, 0:45:54.960 --> 0:45:57.400 and yeah, and and a great moment for Tony Stark 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:00.520 because he tries to sacrifice himself. He's willing to right 0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:02.960 after this whole movie, arguing with Steve Rogers. He's Steve 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:05.400 Rogers is like, I don't think you'd be willing to 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:07.080 lay down on the wire to let the other guy 0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:08.759 crawl over you. Tony Starks like I think I would 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:11.520 just cut the wire. Like he just can't like reason 0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.920 with this very heroic man, Steve Rogers that at the end, 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.440 he sacrifices himself. He takes this in nuke and he 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:19.920 sends it up into this alien portal floating above New 0:46:19.960 --> 0:46:23.279 York City and he sees these the alien ships that 0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:25.960 will see later later later, but comes back to Earth 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:29.160 barely makes it back alive and um and yeah, so 0:46:29.320 --> 0:46:32.360 just great moments for that character especially. And the craziest 0:46:32.360 --> 0:46:34.720 thing is at the end of this movie, you guys, 0:46:34.800 --> 0:46:38.360 a little bit into the credits, we see Fanos the 0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.440 Mad Titan, this character from Marvel Comics, very obscure at 0:46:41.440 --> 0:46:43.680 the time. And a little fun fact. I don't know 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:45.560 if you guys knew this. I was working on Avengers 0:46:45.719 --> 0:46:49.520 in post production in visual effects at the time. I 0:46:49.560 --> 0:46:52.080 was in two thousand eleven, and the day that I 0:46:52.160 --> 0:46:54.120 was just working on shots and making it into three 0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:56.080 D and doing different things, and the day that one 0:46:56.080 --> 0:46:58.040 of my co workers told me, he goes, Fanos is 0:46:58.040 --> 0:46:59.920 in this movie or like no. What he said was 0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:01.759 there's a big purple guy at the at the end 0:47:01.760 --> 0:47:04.640 of the movie. I went, huh, what are you talking about? 0:47:04.840 --> 0:47:06.680 And and so he brought me over and this is all. 0:47:06.719 --> 0:47:08.960 We're not supposed to say anything, you know. And I 0:47:09.000 --> 0:47:11.279 see the shot with Thanos and I'm like, oh my god, 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.319 they're doing it. They're actually going to go for it, 0:47:13.360 --> 0:47:15.279 like this is Thanos, this is that, this is It 0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:16.920 was as big a deal as it was for Nick 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.880 Fury to say I'm putting together the Avenger's Initiative initiative 0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.759 Avenger Initiative in two thousand exactly when you have this 0:47:24.880 --> 0:47:27.520 character say to Thanos, you know, to challenge them is 0:47:27.560 --> 0:47:31.440 to court death, and Thanos just smiles. I'm like, holy 0:47:31.560 --> 0:47:34.120 sh it, this is it. They're gonna go cosmic, They're 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:37.239 gonna do whatever they want. It was incredible. So I'm 0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:39.160 gonna just pull back. I'm gonna do a lot of 0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:41.919 pool bags just for people. I want to pull back 0:47:41.920 --> 0:47:43.480 on two things. One I think is going to be 0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:45.279 quicker than the other. So I'll ask that first, why 0:47:45.320 --> 0:47:47.680 don't you explain to the audience who these aliens were. 0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:51.920 The aliens were faceless aliens that they just needed so 0:47:51.960 --> 0:47:54.640 that the superheroes could beat up bad guys in the movie, right, 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:56.480 you want to get geeky with it. They were called 0:47:56.480 --> 0:47:59.839 the Jatari, which is another name for an alien race 0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.920 are in Marvel comics that are also known as the Scrolls, 0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:05.520 except this version of the Chatari they don't shape shift, 0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:07.279 because if you read Marvel comics, you know that the 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.840 Scrolls shape shift. And heck, we're still living going to 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.920 see the Scrolls later in Captain Marvel in her own movie. 0:48:13.400 --> 0:48:15.360 Those are gonna be a bad guys she's going to 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:20.360 take on. So that's all the Chatari word, Captain March 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:23.840 of next Year, Margin next Year, which is um Bree Larson, 0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:26.239 Bree Larson. Absolutely, yeah, So that's who they are. And 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.200 then they're just working for Thanos, who is this big 0:48:28.239 --> 0:48:31.520 evil space conqueror guy who wants stuff we don't know 0:48:31.640 --> 0:48:34.360 yet but we'll learn is the Infinity Stones. Yes, and 0:48:34.400 --> 0:48:37.040 I wanna the reason I pulled back the moment you 0:48:37.080 --> 0:48:40.640 said cosmic is because for the average they don't know 0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:45.120 the They probably don't know the significance of like cosmic Marvel. 0:48:45.239 --> 0:48:48.120 So Marvel as a comic is broken up into different levels. 0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:51.080 You have your street level heroes, which is everything you're 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.680 seeing on Netflix. That's your Dare Devil, your Luke Cage, 0:48:54.680 --> 0:48:57.000 your Iron Fist. Those are street level comics. Then you 0:48:57.040 --> 0:48:59.600 have your Avengers, which is kind of like the world level. 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:03.160 And then cosmic is where you get to your Silver Surfers, 0:49:03.640 --> 0:49:07.960 your your in Humans, your turn as the Guardians of 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:12.239 the Galaxy that everybody. Yeah. So that so we we 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:16.120 were basically reaching the outer crust of the world of Marvel, 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:20.800 which means we are getting everything that Marvel has to offer. 0:49:20.920 --> 0:49:23.239 So that's why it's a big deal to touch on 0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:27.040 something like Danos on a cosmic level, because when they 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:29.600 showed up in the comics, it was a big deal. True, 0:49:29.880 --> 0:49:33.840 I did want to say. So this film, the Avengers film, 0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:38.239 development actually began when Marvel Studios received a loan from 0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:41.440 Merrill Lynch back in April two thous just so crazy 0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:43.520 because we're like, there's no way they would need a loan, 0:49:44.160 --> 0:49:46.839 But that was all a risk. It was all a risk. 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:51.560 That's so crazy. Of the crossover itself was thought of 0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:53.560 as a risk. This thing that had worked for decades 0:49:53.600 --> 0:49:56.880 in comic books, movies, and TV shows didn't get it well. 0:49:56.960 --> 0:49:58.920 I I understand to some extent in the way that 0:49:58.920 --> 0:50:01.400 we're still seeing it now. Where it's like, in order 0:50:01.440 --> 0:50:04.360 to understand the weight of some of these films, you 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.160 had to have watched some of the other ones. And 0:50:06.160 --> 0:50:07.600 that's why a lot of times they don't want to 0:50:07.600 --> 0:50:09.759 bank on a crossover because you had to watch all 0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.080 the other films that came before. An investment. It is 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:15.520 an investment. But I will say with certain origin stories 0:50:15.560 --> 0:50:18.440 and definitely what we saw with Black Panthers, a lot 0:50:18.480 --> 0:50:20.960 of people were like, I don't even follow comics or 0:50:21.000 --> 0:50:23.160 I don't even follow these films, and I love it, 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.319 and so then you then what you do is you 0:50:25.360 --> 0:50:28.439 capture on that audience and a new audience to now 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.960 come in momentum moving momentum. It's just frustrating because if 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.279 movie studios ever want to do something like a Star 0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:38.720 Wars franchise or Harry Potter, I'm sorry, but that's an investment. 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:41.480 If you want Harry Potter to be a billion dollar franchise, 0:50:41.520 --> 0:50:43.680 away ended up being you have to put money and 0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:46.640 talent into it, and you can't just assume Okay, we're 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:48.680 just gonna do one movie, and they were looking at 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:50.480 it like, okay, we hope it does well. But you 0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:53.279 know that they were already planning part two as they 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:55.040 were doing Part one of Harry Potter, and they knew. 0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.160 They're like, okay, there's seven books, so man if if 0:50:57.200 --> 0:50:59.800 everything works out, Fingers Crossed will have seven movies. And 0:50:59.840 --> 0:51:01.839 all that does is build and build and build and build. 0:51:02.239 --> 0:51:04.360 Movie studios need to understand if you're trying to do 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:07.120 one of these shared universes, one of these types of things, 0:51:07.840 --> 0:51:10.120 you've gotta put in the work, which can get to 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:11.879 a point where you can have something like a Black 0:51:11.920 --> 0:51:14.920 Panther the changes the world and gets new audiences interested 0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:16.480 in all these kinds of things. But you do kind 0:51:16.520 --> 0:51:19.479 of need to, you know. The question is like, would 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:21.879 Black Panther or Spider Man Homecoming work if it didn't 0:51:21.920 --> 0:51:24.040 have the rest of the Marvel cinematic universe around it? 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:25.879 With thor Ragnarok work if it didn't have the rest 0:51:25.880 --> 0:51:27.839 of the Marvel It's like, yes and no, we would. 0:51:27.960 --> 0:51:29.760 We could have had a Black Panther movie in the nineties. 0:51:29.760 --> 0:51:31.200 I would have loved it. That would have been awesome. 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:32.880 We should have had that. We couldn't. We should have 0:51:32.880 --> 0:51:34.440 had a wonder Woman movie. And I was about to 0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:36.440 say wonder Woman, since I do think that you can 0:51:36.440 --> 0:51:38.920 watch her and not follow the comics and not follow 0:51:39.680 --> 0:51:41.840 not have seen Batman from Superman. I mean some of 0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:44.640 the like the photograph and like some of those things 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.600 don't hit as much. But definitely the point is is 0:51:48.640 --> 0:51:51.520 that these characters wonder Woman included. I love wonder Woman, 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:53.200 but wonder Woman is a part of a larger world 0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:55.680 and she does have relationships with characters like Batman and 0:51:55.719 --> 0:51:58.360 Superman in the Justice League, and and the way you 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.040 get to a point where something like Infinity Wars coming 0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:03.600 out and everyone's like, this is it. Oh my god, 0:52:03.719 --> 0:52:05.839 you have to put in the work. You cannot just 0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:08.120 work on these little islands and kind of hope it 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:10.319 sort of comes together. And we could have had a 0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:12.800 Black Panther in the nineties, and I'm bummed we didn't 0:52:12.800 --> 0:52:15.359 get that, or wonder Woman or other types of superhero movies. 0:52:15.400 --> 0:52:18.000 I'm bummed that in the early two thousands, Warner Brothers 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:19.359 was asked, Hey, are you guys gonna do any other 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:21.279 superhero stuff? And they said, no, we're good. We have 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.080 Harry Potter. That bums me out because I'm like, well, 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:26.640 you guys did it to yourself. You know. It's it's 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:30.040 about having that that foresight to know, like, this is 0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.440 what's coming down the line. And if we invest now 0:52:32.960 --> 0:52:34.759 ten years from now, we can do something where we 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.360 can put a movie together that has a bunch of 0:52:36.440 --> 0:52:39.719 characters and just including the Avengers franchise with Guardians of 0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.680 the Galaxy will be enough of a draw that it's 0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:44.920 like it continues to elevate, It continues to elevate, you know. 0:52:44.960 --> 0:52:47.200 And Wonder Woman has stories where it's her own story 0:52:47.239 --> 0:52:49.319 and they're amazing. But she also has stories where like 0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:51.680 it's like end of the universe, what I mean, and 0:52:51.719 --> 0:52:53.600 she shows up and it's this moment that you're like, 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.719 you want to cheer it on. And I would love 0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:57.400 to see that in a film someday. I want to 0:52:57.400 --> 0:52:59.880 see that. But that means you have to stay alone, 0:53:01.400 --> 0:53:05.319 like let's take another sidebar to just dip into that 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:07.799 decent world. That is I think one of the main 0:53:07.840 --> 0:53:11.080 problems with movies like Justice League, you tried to rush 0:53:11.120 --> 0:53:14.120 too many new characters on us. When you think about Avengers, 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.880 how many characters in the Adventures had their own movie 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:20.080 by the time that it came out for Exact Form, 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.239 so by the time Justice League, how many of those 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:24.840 characters have But I agree, But I do have to 0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:27.080 say that the new characters that they introduced us to, 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:29.680 which is Cyborg and Flash, I felt like, we're two 0:53:29.680 --> 0:53:34.520 of the best characters. So yeah, but I understand it's like, oh, 0:53:34.800 --> 0:53:36.560 they don't have as much weight or we're not as 0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.759 invested or whatever as these iconic, you know, the A 0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:43.279 list ones. But still I was like, well, I still 0:53:43.280 --> 0:53:46.480 think that they were some of the best introductions. Oh yeah, 0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.719 know that they were good introductions. The point is is 0:53:49.760 --> 0:53:52.760 that that's only two characters that are that you're invested 0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:56.440 in first that momentum. Yes, if there was a film, 0:53:56.719 --> 0:53:59.960 if there was a Flashy, would Justice League have done 0:53:59.920 --> 0:54:02.000 better what like to kind of bank on that momentum 0:54:02.040 --> 0:54:04.160 to get I think they could have kept it the 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:07.040 way they did where Cyborg and Flash are introduced, because they, 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:09.640 like Danny said, they were great introductions. But if they 0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:11.719 would have put the same amount of effort that they 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:13.839 did in a movie like Wonder Woman to make a 0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:17.080 proper Superman and a proper Batman and not smushing into 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.200 one and have them figure out that their moms have 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:21.960 the same time, see what you mean. I just feel like, 0:54:22.360 --> 0:54:24.440 I mean, we could go down this forever because I 0:54:24.520 --> 0:54:26.440 feel like the Batman origin story has been done so 0:54:26.480 --> 0:54:28.680 many times I don't need to see it again. And 0:54:28.920 --> 0:54:31.600 probably why they didn't, some of those characters have such 0:54:31.760 --> 0:54:34.920 unique circumstances for figuring out how to do a movie, 0:54:35.080 --> 0:54:37.520 and a great take for me is like spider Man 0:54:37.600 --> 0:54:40.200 Homecoming did not do the Origin because Spidey is the 0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:41.759 same type of guy. It's like we've seen that in 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.360 movies too many times. And but then you get to 0:54:44.440 --> 0:54:46.919 something like, you know, we can kind of rush over 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:49.799 Iron Man three and and through the Dark World and 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:52.759 Captain America the Winter Soldiers fantastic, But the one after 0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.839 that's this big risk. Guardians of the Galaxy five new 0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:58.719 characters introduced in one movie. The difference between that is 0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:01.600 that these characters were kind of genetically engineered to work 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.320 with each other, as opposed to a thing like Justice 0:55:04.400 --> 0:55:08.160 League or Avengers. They're such different kind of components that 0:55:08.280 --> 0:55:11.040 it's just like it's a different felt. Yeah, so different 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.080 than the others. But like you said, Iron Man three, 0:55:14.400 --> 0:55:17.000 I'm gonna take it. We're gonna move on to iron 0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:20.560 Man three, which came out in um still made a 0:55:20.560 --> 0:55:24.040 billion dollars, still made a billion dollars. I love iron 0:55:24.040 --> 0:55:25.879 Man three. I think there's great things in it, but 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:29.439 it how do you rank the Iron Man's mine? One 0:55:29.560 --> 0:55:32.040 three two? Yeah? One three two one three two and 0:55:32.160 --> 0:55:35.239 I see yeah, And I love Ben Kingsley in the movie. 0:55:35.239 --> 0:55:36.480 I think it's great. And I think it was real 0:55:36.520 --> 0:55:39.680 smart for them to avoid racist caricature Mandarin and you know, 0:55:39.719 --> 0:55:42.399 so there's stuff I like, But the movie essentially had 0:55:42.440 --> 0:55:45.480 to prove to audiences can we tell stories that don't 0:55:45.520 --> 0:55:47.719 have the rest of the Avengers that people will still 0:55:47.719 --> 0:55:49.319 care about? And I think iron Man three did it. 0:55:49.320 --> 0:55:50.880 It's like, okay, here's what we do when we go 0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.279 back to the solo movie. You know, can we still 0:55:53.320 --> 0:55:55.879 do it? Can Marvel still get that success? And they did. 0:55:55.960 --> 0:55:58.359 So that's iron Man three basically. Not not a whole 0:55:58.400 --> 0:56:00.600 lot happens. Tony deals with his pt Steve from the 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.520 Avengers again, good follow through, and then he fixes his heart. 0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:06.240 Yeah was that too? That was three? He throws it away, 0:56:06.480 --> 0:56:08.960 He throws away his ARC reactor. Thank you for bringing 0:56:08.960 --> 0:56:11.520 that up. If he because that'll come into play later. Yeah, 0:56:11.560 --> 0:56:13.359 So what are them? What would you say the top 0:56:13.760 --> 0:56:16.880 three main things? For iron Man three, he learns about 0:56:16.920 --> 0:56:19.440 the discovery of the Mandarin, but not really. It's not 0:56:19.480 --> 0:56:23.840 the Mandarin. He which is Trevor Slattery, an actor that 0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:26.640 was hired by Aldrich Killian who's played by Guy Pierce. 0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.440 The Mandarin is this terrorist and they tied they try 0:56:29.480 --> 0:56:31.000 to tie it back to like the terrorist group that 0:56:31.040 --> 0:56:33.239 kidnapped Tony Stark in the first iron Man movie. And 0:56:33.280 --> 0:56:35.640 so there's a little flashback and you see Jansen, the 0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:38.200 character that Iron Man spends time within the cave and 0:56:38.239 --> 0:56:39.719 iron Man one, you see him right at the beginning 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:41.759 because the movie takes place in your two thousand and 0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:44.640 it opens with I'm blue and that booty that we're 0:56:44.960 --> 0:56:48.359 right there, but you know, and that's a big thing, 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:50.360 and I think like if he hit it. At the 0:56:50.440 --> 0:56:53.680 end of this film, Tony Stark basically finally fixes his 0:56:53.719 --> 0:56:56.560 heart and gets rid of this arc reactor that's inside 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:59.080 of his chest. He goes to a Chinese doctor in China, 0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:01.200 and there was an extended scene because it was like 0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:03.440 a Chinese co production. And that's the future of Hollywood 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.120 and that's what's happening there. Um, and that's and he 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:08.040 kind of is like, I'm I am iron Man and 0:57:08.080 --> 0:57:10.399 I'm not my armors, and you know, he just has 0:57:10.440 --> 0:57:13.160 like a nice almost like a which is something he 0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:17.480 later kind of says foreshadowing to Peter Parker, like if 0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:20.160 you need the suit, then you don't deserve like if 0:57:20.160 --> 0:57:22.080 you're nothing without the suit and you don't deserve it. 0:57:23.160 --> 0:57:28.080 Thank you. Let's just skip over. Here's what happens in 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.360 fourt No, Okay, well, yes, let's just go. It's released 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:35.240 in November or the Dark World. Just give us your 0:57:35.320 --> 0:57:38.520 top two things, then I'll give it to you right now. 0:57:38.880 --> 0:57:42.120 The Ether is introduced, which is another Infinity Stone, the 0:57:42.200 --> 0:57:45.480 red liquid e thing. And this is a very powerful 0:57:46.000 --> 0:57:51.200 artifact and I think it was the Space Stone. Whatever 0:57:51.240 --> 0:57:55.680 the case, evil generic bad guy character uses it, infects, 0:57:55.920 --> 0:57:58.200 infects Natalie Portman so that she has something to do 0:57:58.600 --> 0:58:00.800 thor saves the day. But before the end of it, 0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:03.760 he thinks that Loki sacrifices himself and it's a great 0:58:03.800 --> 0:58:06.000 little tear jerking moment, is a good moment. But by 0:58:06.040 --> 0:58:07.840 the end of that movie, we find out that Loki 0:58:08.000 --> 0:58:11.880 didn't actually die and tricked everybody and takes over the 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.360 throne of Asgard, and we don't know what he did 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:17.120 with their father Odin, and that's pretty much it. And 0:58:17.160 --> 0:58:20.120 then the post credit scene for that one was teasing 0:58:20.200 --> 0:58:23.440 because the characters from Asgar take this very powerful artifact, 0:58:23.440 --> 0:58:25.959 the Ether, and they take it to the collector played 0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:28.160 by Benicio del Toro, who we see later in Guardians 0:58:28.160 --> 0:58:29.880 of the Galaxy. So they're trying to sort of tie 0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:32.800 things together. But basically two main things. The Ether is introduced, 0:58:33.000 --> 0:58:36.280 we think that Loki dies. That's it, right, And then 0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:39.720 we jump into Captain America the Winter Soldiers, some of 0:58:39.760 --> 0:58:44.600 the people's favorite favorite Here's the thing people were in 0:58:44.640 --> 0:58:48.760 the seasons of people ranking lists. Someone ranked Black Panther 0:58:48.960 --> 0:58:51.480 at six on that list, and I immediately had to 0:58:51.560 --> 0:58:55.440 negate any thoughts they had its Black Panther number one. Yeah, 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:59.000 Black Panther just a sidebar, like has such a strong 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:02.280 case for being a number one so easily because I 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:05.200 think Black Panther brings such a level of sophistication to 0:59:05.440 --> 0:59:07.720 this world and and so many great questions and so 0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:10.240 many great ideas, and it's like, you know, and to 0:59:10.320 --> 0:59:12.440 go back to Winter Soldier. One of my favorite moments 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:15.240 in that movie, because again, the Marvel universe is supposed 0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:17.520 to be our world, right, but they haven't tackled things 0:59:17.520 --> 0:59:22.280 like societal injustice, inequality, and racism. Except when Nick Fury 0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:24.959 is driving his he's the director of Shield. He's driving 0:59:25.000 --> 0:59:27.160 his jeep in Washington, d C. And this cop car 0:59:27.200 --> 0:59:28.800 pulls up and there's these two white cops and then 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:31.200 looking at him with shades. You know, he makes that 0:59:31.280 --> 0:59:33.240 he says this line, he goes, I want to see 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:35.360 the lease. And it was like the first time for 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:37.680 me a Marvel movie acknowledged. I'm like, oh, there is 0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:40.160 systemic racism in this world. It's just like he's just 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:41.919 like us. He has you know, he deals with bull 0:59:41.920 --> 0:59:45.920 crap whatever. Um, it should have been addressed in the 0:59:45.920 --> 0:59:48.120 first one, but yes, but you know a lot of 0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:50.640 studios would have been scared of that. And it's still 0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:52.840 Disney and it's still you know, it's like the fact 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:56.360 that we got to to Ryan Coogler from Oakland telling 0:59:56.360 --> 0:59:58.440 the story he did in Black Panther. I love it, 0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.240 but it is a bummer that it took so many 1:00:00.240 --> 1:00:02.520 movies to get to it. But it's like they need 1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:04.800 maybe Marvel needed to prove like, look, man, just let 1:00:04.880 --> 1:00:06.840 us tell like a deeper story. Let us get to 1:00:06.840 --> 1:00:10.200 a point where in Spiderman Homecoming, Zendaya can play a 1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:14.000 character who she's at the Washington Monument and the teachers like, no, 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:15.080 do you want to go up there with your friends? 1:00:15.080 --> 1:00:16.560 She's like, now, I can't really enjoy a thing that 1:00:16.600 --> 1:00:18.680 was built by slaves. I'm sure it wasn't. And he 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:22.120 looks over in the security guards like and he's like, Okay, 1:00:22.120 --> 1:00:24.400 that's fine, you can go ahead. Like those little lines 1:00:24.440 --> 1:00:27.120 are like it needed to take the Marvel Cinematic universe, 1:00:27.160 --> 1:00:30.000 what like fifteen sixteen movies to just solidify like we're 1:00:30.040 --> 1:00:33.160 good and we can still, you know, include kind of 1:00:33.200 --> 1:00:35.720 stuff like this without it. It's more part of our 1:00:35.760 --> 1:00:38.880 world that exists outside of it. I did want to say, 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:41.440 for the longest time I heard just being in the 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:45.800 nerd world, Captain America the Winter Soldier was people's favorites. 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:49.440 I would hear that constantly. It's a great they try 1:00:49.480 --> 1:00:54.760 to capture that seventies political thriller Robert Redford The Man 1:00:55.320 --> 1:00:58.040 like the guy my mom's number one crush, to be 1:00:58.120 --> 1:01:00.680 like the bad guy in this movie, and it added 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:02.920 that legitimacy, you know, and then they would later get 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.720 actors and actresses like Kate Blanchet was a villain and 1:01:05.840 --> 1:01:08.440 thor and like, you know, it just as incredible time. 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:11.360 I mean, the roster for Black Panthers insane, like the 1:01:11.520 --> 1:01:13.720 with the talent there. But um, then they got Kurt 1:01:13.800 --> 1:01:16.320 Russell to be the bad guy and Guardians too. You know, 1:01:16.400 --> 1:01:19.880 it's like it's awesome. So your top three I would 1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:23.400 say things then for great stuff happening in Winter Soldier, 1:01:23.480 --> 1:01:26.560 like you said, it came out. We see a threat 1:01:26.720 --> 1:01:30.600 that Steve Rogers has to reconcile with this Winter Soldier assassin, 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:33.640 but also his own government lying to him. And that's 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:36.120 the way you treat that character. Right, He's a good guy. 1:01:36.600 --> 1:01:38.680 He's saying things like this is in freedom, this is fear. 1:01:39.200 --> 1:01:41.800 He's you know, saying things at the end like not 1:01:41.880 --> 1:01:44.360 just Hydra is going to go down, but Shield and 1:01:44.360 --> 1:01:46.480 this is the beginning of that mean that hale Hydra 1:01:46.560 --> 1:01:49.840 because we learned that Shield has been infected by Hydra. Right, 1:01:50.000 --> 1:01:52.760 that's where it came kind of nazis this sort of thing. 1:01:52.840 --> 1:01:54.720 And at the end, Steve Rogers makes the choice to 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.439 not just destroy Hydra, but all of Shield as well 1:01:57.520 --> 1:02:01.000 because it gets too powerful. And there's a beautiful moment 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:02.880 I want to highlight where at the end he's given 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:05.640 out these orders. He's saying, you know, Shield has been compromised, 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:07.440 and this is going out to every Shield agent. If 1:02:07.440 --> 1:02:10.280 you follow their orders, we're gonna end up killing innocent people, 1:02:10.960 --> 1:02:13.320 people that have been targeted by Shield for political reasons. 1:02:13.320 --> 1:02:17.040 Blah blah blah. And this this like tech guy uh 1:02:17.120 --> 1:02:18.880 is being ordered by the bad guy. You know, hey, 1:02:18.920 --> 1:02:20.720 fire that missile and he goes, I'm not doing it 1:02:20.840 --> 1:02:23.760 Captain's orders and that got a reaction from and he's 1:02:23.800 --> 1:02:26.080 just he has no powers, he has no you know 1:02:26.120 --> 1:02:28.080 what I mean. But it's being inspired by that character, 1:02:28.120 --> 1:02:31.400 Captain America. We also are introduced to the Falcon a 1:02:31.520 --> 1:02:34.040 k a. Sam Wilson played by Anthony Mackie. Cut the 1:02:34.120 --> 1:02:36.600 check does a great job. We learned that the Winter 1:02:36.640 --> 1:02:40.040 Soldier is actually a brainwashed Bucky from World War Two. 1:02:40.080 --> 1:02:42.080 His best friend who didn't die. Steve has to deal 1:02:42.160 --> 1:02:44.800 with that. And and then at the end of the film, 1:02:45.040 --> 1:02:49.520 Shield goes down. Everything gets burned down, and Falcon and 1:02:49.520 --> 1:02:53.000 and Captain America are now choosing with the help of 1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:55.040 Black Widow. I think after Shield goes down, she's like, 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:57.560 we're out, um, and so is Nick Fury. That they're 1:02:57.560 --> 1:03:00.640 gonna go try to find the Winter Soldier Bucky guy 1:03:00.640 --> 1:03:02.080 to try to help him, and you know, try to 1:03:02.080 --> 1:03:04.040 find him, um. And I think those are the major things. 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:09.080 We were joined by the Russo Brothers, right, would go 1:03:09.120 --> 1:03:12.360 on to do Civil War and the upcoming Infinity War 1:03:12.600 --> 1:03:16.720 that's right now we jump into I want to call 1:03:16.840 --> 1:03:20.400 movies like these in a series like tinpole movies because 1:03:20.760 --> 1:03:24.120 they change what you think is possible in this world. 1:03:24.160 --> 1:03:28.000 And I believe Gardens of the Galaxy did that with 1:03:28.160 --> 1:03:31.160 creating a space opera. Huge. It was a space opera. 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:33.800 It had a soundtrack that went with it. People were 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:36.400 listening to the soundtrack before they even saw the movie 1:03:36.480 --> 1:03:38.400 to get them hyped, and then it just made the 1:03:38.440 --> 1:03:41.640 movie better because it had the soundtrack that went along 1:03:41.680 --> 1:03:45.120 with it. Beautiful story, it's really great, and it was 1:03:45.160 --> 1:03:46.960 all and it was a nice I feel like it 1:03:47.040 --> 1:03:48.800 was time at a good time because it was a 1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:55.480 nice break from the superhero Yeah. Yeah, it didn't feel 1:03:55.480 --> 1:04:00.560 like anything else. It was fun and extremely comedic. I 1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:03.200 would say humor was at the forefront, like you know, 1:04:03.360 --> 1:04:06.080 which we don't really see again. I felt like another 1:04:06.080 --> 1:04:09.240 film that felt closer to it was rag Rock, Yes, 1:04:10.200 --> 1:04:12.640 but yeah, Guardians kind of set the tone for that 1:04:12.760 --> 1:04:17.400 and just again, characters I would say ceased slash dealist 1:04:18.880 --> 1:04:22.880 characters being propelled to the forefront where they took over 1:04:22.960 --> 1:04:25.800 the Twilight Zone right at Disneyland. That is how important 1:04:25.800 --> 1:04:29.560 they are now, that's right. Oh yeah, it's so funny 1:04:29.600 --> 1:04:33.760 because this movie made Groot and Rocket Raccoon. Who would 1:04:33.760 --> 1:04:39.880 have thought this raccoon voiced by Um Bradley Cooper would 1:04:39.960 --> 1:04:43.720 become this like household name, you know, or a tree 1:04:43.840 --> 1:04:47.000 voiced by Vin Diesel. Yeah, or that our boy Chris 1:04:47.040 --> 1:04:52.440 brad would get shredded to hell, Yeah, to hell. But 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:54.840 it's another sort of it's just just a classic Marvel 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:56.960 Studios movie because they took a risk on like a 1:04:57.560 --> 1:05:01.080 kind of a comedic actor you know from the TV world, 1:05:01.920 --> 1:05:04.000 another white guy named Chris. They got their third one, 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:07.200 Um and Um. They took a risk because these were 1:05:07.240 --> 1:05:10.360 not just B level, C level They were unknown characters 1:05:11.160 --> 1:05:13.280 and this was not connected to the rest of their 1:05:13.280 --> 1:05:16.800 avengery world. It was another like investment knowing well, they'll 1:05:16.840 --> 1:05:19.560 eventually meet up with them later. Thanos is going to 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:21.120 be in the movie, and he was briefly, but it 1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:24.480 was more about his daughter's Gomera Nebula. They're setting that up. 1:05:24.680 --> 1:05:26.960 It was more about Ronan the accuser, one of the 1:05:27.040 --> 1:05:29.560 Cree characters, and just kind of setting up the space world. 1:05:29.600 --> 1:05:32.760 And it was mostly about these characters through the voice 1:05:32.760 --> 1:05:36.360 of director James Gunn that ends up becoming a family. 1:05:36.400 --> 1:05:39.920 You've got rock a Raccoon, Groot, star Lord a k A. 1:05:40.080 --> 1:05:43.160 Peter Quill, go Mora and drags the Destroyer, and these 1:05:43.240 --> 1:05:45.960 characters are killers or their thieves or whatever. And they 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:47.560 did such a good job of getting us to care 1:05:47.600 --> 1:05:50.400 about a CG raccoon and a CG tree that it 1:05:50.440 --> 1:05:52.520 just pays off. And at the end, Peter Quill we 1:05:52.520 --> 1:05:54.840 see another Infinity stone. This this time I think it 1:05:54.880 --> 1:05:57.520 was the Power Stone, the big purple thing. We see again. 1:05:57.760 --> 1:06:02.040 Benisil Do Toro's character of the collect And by the end, 1:06:02.080 --> 1:06:04.280 when Peter saves the day and he does it in 1:06:04.280 --> 1:06:05.880 his own way, he still has a moment where he 1:06:05.920 --> 1:06:08.400 can reflect and go, I should have held my mom's 1:06:08.440 --> 1:06:10.919 hand when she was dying of cancer. Back on Earth, 1:06:10.960 --> 1:06:12.840 and that's one of the reasons he escaped Earth. And 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:14.600 if you watch that movie a couple of times, you 1:06:14.640 --> 1:06:16.439 realize he could have gone back to Earth at any 1:06:16.480 --> 1:06:18.480 point as soon as he sort of grew up. He 1:06:18.520 --> 1:06:20.320 could have just gotten a spaceship and came back to it, 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.440 but he chose not to because it was too difficult 1:06:22.440 --> 1:06:24.640 for him. And it's so relatable even though it's all 1:06:24.680 --> 1:06:26.040 out in space, you know what I mean. So they 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:28.360 did such a good job with opening that up, opening 1:06:28.400 --> 1:06:31.120 that world, given us great characters, and it's that that 1:06:31.200 --> 1:06:33.640 year Man gave a lot of people like their top 1:06:33.640 --> 1:06:36.120 two favorites. It was like Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy. Man, 1:06:36.200 --> 1:06:41.880 they're so good. And then boom Shaka Laka. Here comes Avengers, 1:06:42.040 --> 1:06:45.120 Age of Ultra. Very decisive. That got a boom Shaka Laka. 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:48.920 Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, because I feel like, not boom 1:06:48.960 --> 1:06:53.600 Shaka Laka in like necessarily how well it did with fans, 1:06:53.600 --> 1:06:55.919 but boom Shaka and how it rocked the fan base, 1:06:55.960 --> 1:06:58.440 because I feel like this was the first film you 1:06:58.520 --> 1:07:02.080 had fans being like, it's just it's a lot of 1:07:02.080 --> 1:07:04.320 cooks in the kitchen, and it started to feel like 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:06.960 this Marvel formula. It's like, maybe you guys are focusing 1:07:07.000 --> 1:07:08.960 on too many characters, and maybe you guys are you know, 1:07:09.000 --> 1:07:11.760 instead of I mean, the Avengers and the comic books 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:14.000 always did a great thing where they swapped out their roster. 1:07:14.280 --> 1:07:15.960 It was never going to be the same characters. The 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:17.800 X Men do the same thing. It's like to mix 1:07:17.840 --> 1:07:20.320 it up. Let's bring a new characters, new characters, new characters. 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:22.800 But those first six were so popular in that first 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:25.400 Avengers movie, like they're all going to be here, even 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:27.520 if Hulk and Black Widow might not. It's like, well, 1:07:27.560 --> 1:07:30.680 what what stakes do they have with Ultron? I guess okay, 1:07:30.720 --> 1:07:33.000 we're gonna have you know, Bruce Banner and Tony Stark 1:07:33.080 --> 1:07:36.160 work on this Ultron artificial intelligence, and it was voiced 1:07:36.360 --> 1:07:39.040 and acted by James Spader, and then Ultron sort of 1:07:39.040 --> 1:07:41.080 takes over and and at the end it ends up 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:44.520 that he like basically blows up a Eastern European fictional 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:47.200 country called Slowcovia I think is what it was, which 1:07:47.240 --> 1:07:49.800 which later yeah, which is going to be a big 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:54.920 one of the coming Kia. But like it introduces three 1:07:54.920 --> 1:07:58.560 new Avengagers, Scarlett, Witch, Quicksilver and vision and one of 1:07:58.600 --> 1:08:01.360 them dies, yeah, which Silver. Also, I feel like this 1:08:01.480 --> 1:08:04.400 was more one of the This was more suit flex 1:08:04.560 --> 1:08:08.000 than actual, like more writing, because I felt like Avengers 1:08:08.040 --> 1:08:12.840 specifically wanted to create Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver because of 1:08:13.160 --> 1:08:15.520 just the kind of tug of war they've been having 1:08:15.520 --> 1:08:18.280 with Fox and is it Sony who has X Fox 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:21.160 Fox with the X Men, and because at this point 1:08:21.200 --> 1:08:23.760 they first Class was doing pretty successful and then they 1:08:23.800 --> 1:08:28.320 had Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver with this and they read 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:32.439 con that they're not related to Magneto and that mutants 1:08:32.439 --> 1:08:35.479 don't exist, that she has powers if people aren't aware. 1:08:35.479 --> 1:08:38.200 In comic books, Quicksilver in the Scarlet Witch are two characters. 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:41.559 They're Avengers, but their father is Magneto played by Ian 1:08:41.600 --> 1:08:44.879 McKellen played by Michael Fassbender. So like there's no connection 1:08:44.920 --> 1:08:47.519 there in the Marvel Cinematic Universities because there's no Magneto, 1:08:47.600 --> 1:08:50.400 because there's no X Men, there's no Mutants, there's no etcetera, etcetera. 1:08:50.439 --> 1:08:52.920 So they were called miracles instead of mutants, which is 1:08:52.920 --> 1:08:55.960 weird and then kind of never again, Yeah, very weird, 1:08:56.040 --> 1:08:58.120 but we'll get into that. But yeah, pretty much that 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:00.639 that's kind of the big event that happened is this, 1:09:00.920 --> 1:09:05.040 you know, this giant city gets destroyed, uh and Quicksilver 1:09:05.120 --> 1:09:07.679 dies that I feel like that's also there's this tug 1:09:07.720 --> 1:09:14.720 of war between Cap Bruce and um because of creating 1:09:14.800 --> 1:09:18.040 someone like Ultron, because Tony Stark's going into this big 1:09:18.120 --> 1:09:20.360 crisis of like what happens when we're not around, we 1:09:20.360 --> 1:09:23.880 need to create someone who's in and that internal conflict 1:09:24.479 --> 1:09:27.920 rolls over into Captain America Civil War, it does. Yeah, 1:09:27.960 --> 1:09:31.679 And before we get to that, we have H's Okay, 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:38.080 a man coming out, which was another comedy dude taking over, 1:09:38.120 --> 1:09:40.160 which I think they're so smart to do because I 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:42.400 get I agree with like the superhero fatigue and if 1:09:42.400 --> 1:09:44.800 it's too dark and britty, like they're capitalizing on what 1:09:44.840 --> 1:09:46.559 they know well, which is what they started with their 1:09:46.560 --> 1:09:50.439 original blueprint with Robert Downey Jr. Who if we go 1:09:50.520 --> 1:09:53.160 back to Iron Man, we don't even really have a 1:09:53.280 --> 1:09:56.439 villain until kind of the end. We the whole the 1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:59.639 whole movie is based on the chemistry of Robert Downey 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:02.680 Junior and it works. And so what they did is 1:10:02.720 --> 1:10:04.840 that they found out, Okay, we have Peter Quill, we 1:10:04.840 --> 1:10:07.360 have star Lord with Chris Pratt and that's super funny, 1:10:07.360 --> 1:10:09.559 and Guardians of the Galaxy and we're going to bring 1:10:09.600 --> 1:10:13.920 in our man into aunt Man. Paul Rudd, the most handsome, 1:10:13.960 --> 1:10:17.240 funniest guy. He's so charming, so damn charming. And you've 1:10:17.240 --> 1:10:19.519 got Evangeline Lily, and then you've got Michael Douglas to 1:10:19.600 --> 1:10:22.679 round out again that like that top tier actor cast 1:10:23.240 --> 1:10:25.640 and one of my favorite characters, Michael Penias. Luise. We 1:10:25.680 --> 1:10:28.519 gotta talk about Luise, We gotta talk about the t 1:10:28.760 --> 1:10:30.960 I is in the film. It's great, it's great, but 1:10:31.000 --> 1:10:34.439 it's great because this is Marvel's uh I feel like 1:10:34.600 --> 1:10:38.679 mastermind plan that they often implement where they don't make 1:10:38.760 --> 1:10:41.680 superhero movies. They choose a genre and aunt Man was 1:10:41.720 --> 1:10:43.519 a heist movie. Yep. You may have heard me say 1:10:43.520 --> 1:10:46.000 earlier that, you know, Guardians of the Galaxy was a 1:10:46.040 --> 1:10:49.599 space opera. They choose genres for these movies, and like 1:10:49.680 --> 1:10:53.360 you said, for Winter Soldier, it was a political thriller exactly. 1:10:53.760 --> 1:10:56.400 So now we have aunt Man, which is a heist movie, 1:10:56.720 --> 1:10:59.920 and it's great and such a breath of fresh air 1:11:00.040 --> 1:11:02.600 after The Avengers, which was trying to be very serious 1:11:02.680 --> 1:11:04.720 and you know, and and especially in the case of 1:11:04.760 --> 1:11:07.920 aunt Man. Aunt Man and the Wasp are characters that 1:11:08.200 --> 1:11:11.920 are such tough sells. And we're technically originally on the 1:11:11.960 --> 1:11:14.360 Avengers to begin with. Why weren't they in the first 1:11:14.360 --> 1:11:16.760 Avengers movie? Because it's a tough sell, you guys, that's 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:19.200 you know, that's a difficult concept to tell people. Okay, 1:11:19.200 --> 1:11:22.120 we've got Iron Man, he builds a suit Captain America, 1:11:22.200 --> 1:11:25.120 he thaws out from World War Two. Thor'st Kyle with 1:11:25.200 --> 1:11:26.880 a hammer. He's a god, take his word for it. 1:11:26.960 --> 1:11:28.879 And then on top of that, people that can shrink. 1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:31.120 They went, no, no, no, we're gonna we already have 1:11:31.240 --> 1:11:33.960 the growing Hulk guy. We're going to bring in two spies, 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:36.680 but we'll save aunt Man for later because he is 1:11:36.720 --> 1:11:38.519 a tough sell. And they were working on it with 1:11:38.640 --> 1:11:41.479 Edgar Wright for like ten years apparently and figuring it out. 1:11:41.520 --> 1:11:43.720 And so I think it was so smart, like Danny said, 1:11:43.760 --> 1:11:46.040 to bring in this comedy guy to make fun of 1:11:46.040 --> 1:11:48.639 the idea as well, because it helps sell the idea 1:11:48.680 --> 1:11:50.920 to audiences so that we can buy it if the 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:52.720 comedy guys making fun of this. But then by the 1:11:52.760 --> 1:11:55.280 end of it, he's aunt Man. Then you're like, Okay, 1:11:55.320 --> 1:11:57.600 come in Yeah, and it was. It was great. I 1:11:57.640 --> 1:11:59.799 do want to take a second song about Michael Pinion 1:11:59.880 --> 1:12:04.240 because it was nice to have a Latin X character 1:12:04.439 --> 1:12:08.639 who is if sophisticated, he likes the finer things in life, 1:12:08.720 --> 1:12:11.439 but he's still himself and he goes into these long 1:12:11.800 --> 1:12:15.360 diet tris where he talks about these things. Yeah, you know, 1:12:16.200 --> 1:12:17.479 just go off on that, up off on that. If 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:21.439 I love the character, he's one of my favorites. I 1:12:21.439 --> 1:12:23.479 am hoping that he gets to put on a suit 1:12:23.520 --> 1:12:25.559 of his own at some point, maybe become giant man, 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:28.080 maybe do the whole thing. But it's tricky because up 1:12:28.080 --> 1:12:30.240 to this point in the like the Latino the Latin 1:12:30.360 --> 1:12:33.120 X world, there's not really any representation in these movies. 1:12:33.160 --> 1:12:36.000 And even when you get to aunt man technically. This 1:12:36.120 --> 1:12:39.200 film Okay is directed by Peyton Read. Peyton Read also 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:41.360 did Bring It On. If you haven't seen Bring It 1:12:41.400 --> 1:12:43.280 On in a couple of years, rewatch that because it 1:12:43.400 --> 1:12:47.679 is a surprisingly woke movie. It is a surprisingly aware, 1:12:48.080 --> 1:12:50.479 socially aware of film. It's a movie about a white 1:12:50.520 --> 1:12:52.799 high school that steals cheers from a black high school. 1:12:53.000 --> 1:12:54.920 That's what it's about. That's what the movie is about. 1:12:54.960 --> 1:12:57.160 And there's an openly gay character and there's all these 1:12:57.160 --> 1:12:59.200 things happening and bring it on. You get to aunt Man, 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:02.479 and the movie is about criminality, and it talks about 1:13:02.840 --> 1:13:05.200 some of the struggles that people that have been in 1:13:05.840 --> 1:13:08.800 jail and prison have to put up with the differences. 1:13:08.880 --> 1:13:12.360 Is that Marvel playing it safe but probably very smartly. 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:15.599 Their lead criminal is Paul Rudd, so of course you're 1:13:15.600 --> 1:13:19.320 gonna audiences are automatically gonna humanize this character instead of 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:22.559 dehumanize him. If Scott Lange, his character he's playing, was 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:24.920 a black guy, like right, coming out of a jail 1:13:24.960 --> 1:13:27.439 in San Francisco for committing a crime, how many audiences 1:13:27.439 --> 1:13:29.000 would have crossed their arms have been like, he's not 1:13:29.040 --> 1:13:31.960 a superhero. Why is Michael Douglas, you know, picking this guy? 1:13:32.120 --> 1:13:35.040 But Marvel very wisely chose Scott Lange to be the face. 1:13:35.120 --> 1:13:38.320 They show him getting fired from Baskin Robbins because Baskin 1:13:38.400 --> 1:13:40.400 Robbins always finds out. And he's just trying to support 1:13:40.400 --> 1:13:41.840 his daughter and he's just trying, you know, he's trying 1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:43.240 to do all these things and it shows the level 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:47.680 of desperation and it shows non violent criminal offenders as well, 1:13:47.720 --> 1:13:51.000 and Luise and um god, tis character I think his 1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:55.120 name was I'm forgetting give a guy tip, Dave Dave 1:13:55.479 --> 1:14:00.200 and then sorry, I didn't know what it st it 1:14:00.280 --> 1:14:02.360 was it was Louise, Dave and the other guy. Like 1:14:02.439 --> 1:14:04.559 these are characters that they show, like, you know, he 1:14:04.600 --> 1:14:06.960 got in jail for for stealing a smoothie machine and 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:09.120 Luis is like two smoothie machines, Like it's not it's 1:14:09.160 --> 1:14:11.759 like a non violent thing. Because it asked the audience, 1:14:11.840 --> 1:14:15.040 do you think a person who has has served time 1:14:15.360 --> 1:14:18.520 can still be contributing to society, can still be a superhero, 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:20.240 can still be a father, can still be all these 1:14:20.280 --> 1:14:23.439 different things. So I love Louise. It's still a bummer that, like, 1:14:23.800 --> 1:14:27.880 you've got a Mexican character like still involved in criminality 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:30.320 in the superhero world as opposed to just like being 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:32.400 a super like. I still want to see like a 1:14:32.439 --> 1:14:35.280 Mexican superhero character. I still want to see Miles Morales 1:14:35.280 --> 1:14:37.439 Spider Man someday in this world and we can get 1:14:37.479 --> 1:14:40.479 to that. But so, I it's a bummer that Luise 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:43.439 is like a former convict. But I you're so right, 1:14:43.439 --> 1:14:45.120 if you I love the way that they fleshed out 1:14:45.120 --> 1:14:46.920 that character and the rest of the characters. They just 1:14:47.000 --> 1:14:51.000 humanized these people before we moved on. I didn't want 1:14:51.000 --> 1:14:53.639 to say the screenplay like you were saying that Edgar 1:14:53.680 --> 1:14:56.280 Wright had worked on it, Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish, 1:14:56.320 --> 1:14:59.360 but then also the team of Adam McKay and Paul Rudd. 1:14:59.720 --> 1:15:03.400 So Paul Redd just having that comedy background, it's fascinating 1:15:03.479 --> 1:15:06.439 that he you know, this is the first time I 1:15:06.439 --> 1:15:09.760 think in these films that this star also worked on 1:15:09.800 --> 1:15:13.080 the screenplay, so that I did hear that Edward Norton 1:15:13.160 --> 1:15:16.400 did some right, You're right, And of course you know 1:15:16.600 --> 1:15:19.280 Favreau who's in these but not quite the same, not 1:15:19.439 --> 1:15:22.280 quite the same, not the title character, right, even if 1:15:22.320 --> 1:15:25.759 he is directing some of them. So yeah, so any 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:31.280 connective tissue and that's not really see the falcon again. Yeah, 1:15:31.280 --> 1:15:34.760 so we know the Yeah, that was a real fun 1:15:34.880 --> 1:15:36.320 We know that at the end that man will be 1:15:36.360 --> 1:15:38.439 an avenger. And we also hear a mention of a 1:15:38.439 --> 1:15:41.080 guy who climbs on walls Spider Man, you know, kind 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:43.240 of a little different things like that. But um, yeah, 1:15:43.320 --> 1:15:45.559 I did want to say so right after this, so 1:15:45.600 --> 1:15:48.240 we had before this. We had so, we had Guardians, 1:15:48.280 --> 1:15:51.720 we had Aunt Man and in a different you know, franchise, 1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:54.720 but we have Deadpool then came out, which is not 1:15:54.760 --> 1:15:57.680 a part of this but after this. But I think 1:15:57.680 --> 1:16:00.320 it is important to note as far as the medic 1:16:00.439 --> 1:16:03.400 actors taking over and kind of being almost like a 1:16:03.439 --> 1:16:05.360 parody and kind of like making fun of a lot 1:16:05.400 --> 1:16:09.719 of these superhero not taking it as seriously. I agree. 1:16:09.760 --> 1:16:13.080 I think Deadpool. I think Deadpool is as much a 1:16:13.120 --> 1:16:16.200 refreshment to his own X Men franchise as he is 1:16:16.280 --> 1:16:20.519 to the larger superhero of genre. So like Deadpool works 1:16:20.600 --> 1:16:22.600 just as well making fun of when he says the 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:24.479 three point landing, He's gonna do a three point landing. 1:16:24.720 --> 1:16:27.120 He's making fun of like other superhero movies to not 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:30.240 just like X Men movies. So yeah, which is something 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.120 he did like in the comics anyways. But I just 1:16:33.160 --> 1:16:36.160 think that it was so successful at that time in 1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:39.960 because of these other films that kind of had these 1:16:40.000 --> 1:16:44.120 comedic actors starring in them, but moving on to the big, 1:16:44.200 --> 1:16:47.160 to the big, the big, the big time. This was 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:50.479 always interesting to me because yeah, it's Captain America's Civil War. 1:16:50.600 --> 1:16:52.840 I was it was very interesting to me that Captain 1:16:52.880 --> 1:16:55.479 America was the Civil War title and that they didn't 1:16:55.560 --> 1:16:58.960 use it as an Avengers movie, but I felt like 1:16:59.080 --> 1:17:01.680 it kind of fits. It kind of worked in the end. 1:17:02.040 --> 1:17:04.519 I enjoyed it, but as someone who was a big 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:07.960 fan of the Civil War crossover, to kind of see 1:17:07.960 --> 1:17:11.400 it kind of be this mobile version, that's what I'll 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:15.400 call it. Like it was in the comic books, Civil 1:17:15.400 --> 1:17:17.920 War was a war because you know, the comic books 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:20.360 had the ability by the way, the comics have been 1:17:20.439 --> 1:17:24.040 running for decades at this point, and so they had 1:17:24.280 --> 1:17:27.519 so many characters they could have called, and so it 1:17:27.600 --> 1:17:31.600 was an all out war across the United States between superheroes. 1:17:32.080 --> 1:17:34.680 To see it just kind of melted down into a 1:17:34.760 --> 1:17:37.759 parking lot fight. Uh. It kind of was a bummer, 1:17:37.880 --> 1:17:40.880 but it still worked for me. It still progressed the 1:17:41.280 --> 1:17:44.439 Marvel cinematic universe in a unique way. We had the 1:17:44.520 --> 1:17:47.880 Russo brothers coming back. We had our first introduction to 1:17:47.960 --> 1:17:52.240 Tchechaula as well as Peter Parker. Peter Parker, Peter Parker. 1:17:52.360 --> 1:17:54.479 That was a crazy thing that happened too. There were 1:17:54.520 --> 1:17:56.200 so many behind the scenes things that were happening with 1:17:56.200 --> 1:17:59.760 this movie. I never would have guessed that Sony would 1:17:59.760 --> 1:18:02.439 have to like a deal like a sharing deal to 1:18:03.080 --> 1:18:05.679 so crazy. Right, and not too long after Amazing Spider 1:18:05.720 --> 1:18:08.320 Man two came out, did they kind of announced this? 1:18:08.360 --> 1:18:10.800 So when we all heard it, we were like, oh 1:18:10.840 --> 1:18:14.160 my god, what this is insane that that Sony was 1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:17.120 going to lend their guy and it kind of meant 1:18:17.160 --> 1:18:19.240 like anything as possible, So that when people talk about 1:18:19.280 --> 1:18:22.000 today like oh, the acquisition of Fox, even before that, 1:18:22.479 --> 1:18:24.920 I think that it meant that Marvel Studios has become 1:18:25.040 --> 1:18:28.479 so successful that it it is impossible to ignore it. 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:31.120 That's how successful this franchise has been. And not only that, 1:18:31.120 --> 1:18:33.880 but people forget that Marvel Studios put down a date 1:18:34.040 --> 1:18:38.080 May in no movie was announced, right. Warner Brothers not 1:18:38.120 --> 1:18:40.240 too long after put a movie down on the same date, 1:18:40.280 --> 1:18:44.880 which was Batman Versus Superman. And after Marvel announced this 1:18:44.920 --> 1:18:48.679 is Captain America Civil War, which is effectively Captain America 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:52.720 versus Iron Man, Warner Brothers moved there. And that is 1:18:52.960 --> 1:18:55.400 mind blowing to me because the Warner Brothers film has 1:18:55.400 --> 1:18:58.639 two characters in it called Superman and the Batman, arguably 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:01.880 the most icons the most iconic, but the momentum, the 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:04.960 momentum and the success of Captain America and Civil War 1:19:05.040 --> 1:19:07.360 and the Marvel Cinematic universe, and the fact that they 1:19:07.360 --> 1:19:09.360 were gonna have all the characters and Spider Man was 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:10.960 gonna be this, and Black Panther was gonna be in this, 1:19:11.080 --> 1:19:13.799 and and we're going to see the Vision and Scarlet 1:19:13.800 --> 1:19:16.519 Witch and war Machine and ant Man and and and 1:19:16.520 --> 1:19:19.080 and Hawkeye and and Black Widow. And it's just like 1:19:19.360 --> 1:19:22.080 it's a lot. It's not comic book level, the whole world, 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:25.360 but it was basically everybody up to that point that 1:19:25.479 --> 1:19:28.280 Warner Brothers moved their film like earlier in the year 1:19:28.680 --> 1:19:31.240 to avoid that sort of competition. And I think that 1:19:31.240 --> 1:19:33.880 that is a testament to just it's again, it's like 1:19:33.960 --> 1:19:36.960 they became so successful you cannot ignore them. So after that, 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:39.000 all bets were off. We were having discussions of like, well, 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:41.559 if Marvel wanted to, they might absorb just the characters 1:19:41.600 --> 1:19:44.120 of the X Men, just the characters of the Fantastic Four, 1:19:44.200 --> 1:19:46.800 just like you know, it's Sky's the limit whatever. And 1:19:47.400 --> 1:19:51.160 pretty good movie too. I really liked it. Yeah, everyone 1:19:50.720 --> 1:19:54.720 a yeah, you know the stuff I set aside. Really, yeah, 1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:57.360 So what are the main three things before we move 1:19:57.400 --> 1:20:00.600 on for Civil War, I mentioned the character character interactions. 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:02.960 We get a little bit of a resolution between what's 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:05.639 happening with Bucky the Winter Soldier, right Cap is finally 1:20:05.720 --> 1:20:07.800 able to sort of reach out to him. We learn 1:20:08.280 --> 1:20:09.920 this is a big deal, a big deal to a 1:20:10.000 --> 1:20:12.599 seed that was planted in Captain America the Winter Soldier, 1:20:13.040 --> 1:20:15.200 when we learned that when Steve is finding out what 1:20:15.280 --> 1:20:16.920 his friend did when he was brainwashed, one of the 1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:20.519 things he did was assassinate Howard and Maria Stark. Cut 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:23.559 to Civil War two years later. They showed us Tony 1:20:23.640 --> 1:20:26.240 Stark's parents in the nineteen nineties is when they died, 1:20:26.280 --> 1:20:28.439 and they show us that assassination. They show us as 1:20:28.520 --> 1:20:31.080 kind of flashback. So Tony Stark finds out, iron Man 1:20:31.120 --> 1:20:33.320 finds out that Captain America's best friend killed his mom 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:36.320 and dad, and like it's that's the conflict right there 1:20:36.320 --> 1:20:38.559 at the end. But before that, there's this big airport 1:20:38.600 --> 1:20:42.639 fight where they're trying to protect Bucky, and iron Man says, 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:44.920 we need accountability, we have to turn ourselves in. Because 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:47.280 he was spoken to by a woman named Miriam the 1:20:47.280 --> 1:20:51.000 beginning of the film, who had family who died in Socovia. 1:20:51.200 --> 1:20:53.599 You know, so all of the different threads in the film. Again, 1:20:53.640 --> 1:20:56.720 you do not need to see the whole movies, all 1:20:56.760 --> 1:20:58.680 the movies to go and see Captain America Civil War. 1:20:58.720 --> 1:21:00.519 But if you do, it's just it's just to payoff. 1:21:00.520 --> 1:21:02.559 It's just like, yep, I remember when that happened. Wow, 1:21:02.600 --> 1:21:05.280 what a cool little detail. I'm learning now that this 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:07.800 woman's son who was volunteering he died in this event. 1:21:07.880 --> 1:21:09.840 And now now that she's upset at Ironman, and then 1:21:09.840 --> 1:21:12.040 that's going to lead for you know, it's I was 1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.320 gonna say, there are two other main things. One is 1:21:14.360 --> 1:21:18.280 this is where King to Chaka dies, which is true, 1:21:18.360 --> 1:21:23.439 you know, haunted haunts to Challa. Um that he yes, 1:21:23.520 --> 1:21:26.320 And so Bucky then in the in the post credit 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:31.599 scene or the mid credit wasn't technically, um helmet Zimo 1:21:31.800 --> 1:21:35.439 that killed him? Yes, yes, m you're right, you're right, 1:21:35.560 --> 1:21:38.639 yeah Zemo um. And then in the mid credit scene, 1:21:38.880 --> 1:21:42.920 so Bucky is then granted asylum in Wakonda, which will 1:21:43.040 --> 1:21:46.200 come in handy later. And then we also have the 1:21:46.240 --> 1:21:49.000 other post credit scene, which is Peter Parker testing out 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:52.120 his new uh yep, his little Tony Star, his little 1:21:52.120 --> 1:21:55.800 Tony start, which we will see later, but next we 1:21:55.840 --> 1:21:58.599 get a whole new character, Doctor Strange. We can skip 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:01.759 over most of this whatever Dr Strange. So you weren't 1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:03.960 a fan of Surgeon, I love as a great film 1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:08.400 and he's good coming back as important are almost there 1:22:08.520 --> 1:22:12.000 people origin story? It was an origin story, but it 1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:14.479 was really cool to see them do this kind of 1:22:14.479 --> 1:22:16.840 cerebral thing. But like you said, it's more like a 1:22:18.040 --> 1:22:21.000 you know, just like a popcorn flick in the grand 1:22:21.040 --> 1:22:25.400 scheme of things. Definitely, this was at the point I 1:22:25.439 --> 1:22:29.080 got superhero fatigue. Oh no, oh, yeah, well we'll get 1:22:29.120 --> 1:22:32.000 into that. So I enjoyed it. There was a lot 1:22:32.000 --> 1:22:36.559 of controversy was around it this year with the casting 1:22:36.600 --> 1:22:39.600 of Tilda Swinton. The character she played his name the 1:22:39.640 --> 1:22:42.800 Ancient One, and the version that she played was somebody 1:22:42.800 --> 1:22:45.800 who was Celtic, as told to us by she tell 1:22:45.880 --> 1:22:48.080 Edge of four. That actor was telling us, you know, 1:22:48.120 --> 1:22:50.920 and he himself was playing a character named Baron Mordo 1:22:51.160 --> 1:22:53.320 Mordo who in the comic books was white. He's a 1:22:53.360 --> 1:22:56.160 black actor who's playing him. So again Marvel is doing 1:22:56.160 --> 1:22:57.799 what they always do. They look at the source material. 1:22:57.840 --> 1:23:00.360 They're like, how can we diversify this for other how 1:23:00.360 --> 1:23:03.280 can we avoid offense, How can we you know, do 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:05.280 this do that. So a lot of debate was was 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:07.559 happening at the time with the character of the Ancient 1:23:07.560 --> 1:23:10.120 One in the comic books as a Tibetan monk type guy, 1:23:10.400 --> 1:23:15.320 a Tibetan Asian male who departs his wisdom on a 1:23:15.360 --> 1:23:17.799 white guy from New York and then he becomes the Savior, 1:23:17.840 --> 1:23:20.000 and so there's a lot tied to that with like 1:23:20.160 --> 1:23:24.840 historically sort of stereotypically racist white savior type imagery and 1:23:25.120 --> 1:23:27.560 and and stuff like that. Marvel tried to avoid that 1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:30.800 bybinic let's go with a woman instead, But they didn't 1:23:30.800 --> 1:23:33.679 want to cast an Asian female actress because they didn't 1:23:33.680 --> 1:23:36.439 want to have other stereotypes associated with that, and so 1:23:36.479 --> 1:23:38.160 they thought they were going to kind of play it safe. 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:39.920 And there's other reasons too, is that they wanted the 1:23:39.960 --> 1:23:42.679 movie to open in China. You cannot have a Tibetan 1:23:42.760 --> 1:23:47.439 character because of the complex policies and and politics of 1:23:47.479 --> 1:23:50.720 that region. So there was like financial reasons for them 1:23:50.760 --> 1:23:52.240 to do what they did. There was like we're trying 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:54.479 to avoid but at the end of the day, you 1:23:54.520 --> 1:23:57.280 know it was sort of like you're gonna lose either 1:23:57.280 --> 1:23:59.680 way because people pointed out like, well, you're taking a 1:23:59.760 --> 1:24:05.080 role away from another Asian Asian, and Asian specifically is 1:24:05.120 --> 1:24:07.880 already limited. The four sort of main cast I would 1:24:07.880 --> 1:24:10.960 say was Bennetic Cumberbatch is Stephen Strange. You had Tilda 1:24:11.000 --> 1:24:12.960 Swinton is the ancient one. Like I said, she would 1:24:13.160 --> 1:24:15.799 ad you for playing a black version of the character Morto, 1:24:16.120 --> 1:24:18.439 who later becomes the villain of Doctor Strange, but in 1:24:18.439 --> 1:24:20.760 this Forgin story, like in the comics, they're friends and 1:24:20.760 --> 1:24:24.160 they're helping each other. And then Benedict Wong, great actor, 1:24:24.200 --> 1:24:26.920 played the character Wong, who they sort of updated from 1:24:26.920 --> 1:24:30.080 being Doctor Stranger's man servant from in the comic books. 1:24:30.080 --> 1:24:31.640 You see there's a lot of stuff happening in the 1:24:31.680 --> 1:24:34.160 Doctor Strange world to like his partner and his kind 1:24:34.160 --> 1:24:36.000 of better and you know he's going to help him 1:24:36.000 --> 1:24:37.679 along the way. And just to throw in, we also 1:24:37.720 --> 1:24:41.439 had Rachel McAdams joined the m c U one movie 1:24:41.479 --> 1:24:46.000 and then she's done ye Christian Palmer his his love interest. 1:24:46.920 --> 1:24:50.760 And then we had Bennet Cumberbatch, I think, also voiced Dormamo. 1:24:50.920 --> 1:24:53.639 The big scary thing at the end where Doctor Strangers 1:24:53.680 --> 1:24:56.519 like Dormamo, I'm here to bargain like he voiced that character, 1:24:56.600 --> 1:24:58.599 I think. And then we had a post credit scene 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:01.200 that featured thor Thor again we're like, oh, that's where 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:04.040 he's been. Cool, that's where he was during Civil War. 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:07.760 I guess he's jumping around space or whatever. That was 1:25:08.200 --> 1:25:11.120 Doctor Strange. Yeah. Then we zip over to Guardians of 1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:13.839 the Galaxy volume. To the reason I mentioned the superhero 1:25:13.920 --> 1:25:16.280 fatigue is because I didn't watch this till I was 1:25:16.320 --> 1:25:19.640 on an airplane. I didn't see the thing. What do 1:25:19.720 --> 1:25:21.479 you think on an airplane? Oh? It was great. It 1:25:21.520 --> 1:25:26.160 was hard not to try because you and the you 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:28.840 know with the dad's stuff. You know, I'm a dad now, 1:25:28.960 --> 1:25:30.840 so all that type of stuff just tuts. My heart 1:25:31.120 --> 1:25:35.920 had done everything wrong and I'm glad you was my boy. Yeah. Yeah, 1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:39.320 I was specifically next to Ronnie Adrian. We were flying 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:44.880 into uh to Austin for improv fessed And if for 1:25:44.920 --> 1:25:47.759 those of you many listeners who don't know Ronnie Adrian, 1:25:47.840 --> 1:25:51.040 he is one of those friends that razy uh So 1:25:51.160 --> 1:25:53.280 if he would have and he was sleep so that 1:25:53.280 --> 1:25:55.280 would have meant if I started crying, he would have 1:25:55.320 --> 1:25:57.600 woke up and saw tears in my eyes, and I 1:25:57.640 --> 1:25:59.439 probably would not have heard the last of it. I 1:25:59.479 --> 1:26:01.479 want to say. I was working on the show with 1:26:01.600 --> 1:26:04.679 Lawn Harris m who is he works at? Like screen 1:26:04.760 --> 1:26:07.360 Junkies and what's training to end? Uh? This was like 1:26:07.479 --> 1:26:09.880 a year or two ago, and we would write like 1:26:09.960 --> 1:26:12.840 the cheesiest lines where it was like I might not 1:26:12.920 --> 1:26:15.040 be your father, but damn it, I'm your dad. Like 1:26:15.120 --> 1:26:16.600 we would put that, and then they had that in 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:19.160 the thing. It was so funny. We would always think 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:21.760 that those lines were just like you're thrown away your 1:26:21.840 --> 1:26:25.479 dream son. No dad, I'm throwing away yours that like 1:26:25.560 --> 1:26:28.200 stuff like that, and which those are all like Disney 1:26:28.280 --> 1:26:31.400 Channel Original movie or Disney Channel whatever. That was from 1:26:31.400 --> 1:26:33.439 a Cinderella story. But anyways, I thought it was so 1:26:33.479 --> 1:26:36.040 funny that they had that in this He may have 1:26:36.040 --> 1:26:39.880 been your father, but it wasn't your daddy. Yeah yeah, yeah, 1:26:40.120 --> 1:26:45.040 by our little Mary Poppins. No Infinity Stones in this film. 1:26:45.040 --> 1:26:47.479 It was just James Gunn taking the characters. Two months 1:26:47.560 --> 1:26:49.840 later we get a baby group because group died in 1:26:49.880 --> 1:26:53.840 the first Garden. Yeah, we have to clarify that because 1:26:53.840 --> 1:26:55.559 a lot of people might not know this because this 1:26:55.680 --> 1:26:59.000 kind of was confirmed via Twitter from my friend Ash 1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:03.080 crosn In you like, yeah, and we were talking confirmed 1:27:03.160 --> 1:27:05.559 when the film came out. It was like recently discovered 1:27:05.560 --> 1:27:07.920 it again. I think they were tweeting back and forth 1:27:08.600 --> 1:27:13.240 and gun and he was like, no, Grout died. That's 1:27:13.240 --> 1:27:16.240 not a new group. That's not like him regenerating himself. 1:27:16.280 --> 1:27:19.240 He's dead. That's a brand new baby, which means he 1:27:19.240 --> 1:27:21.320 has no memories. This baby group does not have the 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:24.000 memories of the previous group. That helps. So when Grout 1:27:24.120 --> 1:27:27.000 said we are group and sacrifice himself, he did. He 1:27:27.040 --> 1:27:29.400 did sacrifice himself. It's just a little sapling that grew 1:27:29.439 --> 1:27:32.160 from his remains as like his kid, like his clone 1:27:32.240 --> 1:27:33.559 and whatever you want to call it. So we get 1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:37.960 baby Grout, get Rock, a raccoon. Nebula Mantis is now introduced. 1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:41.040 She's a sidekick of Ego the Living Planet, who's the 1:27:41.080 --> 1:27:43.360 villain in the film. And the villain turns out to 1:27:43.360 --> 1:27:46.479 be star Lord's long lost father. So it's just James 1:27:46.520 --> 1:27:49.439 Gunn like wrapping up that storyline, that star Lord storyline. 1:27:49.479 --> 1:27:52.040 At the end of the movie, Ego is discovered evil 1:27:52.240 --> 1:27:54.640 he gets killed and yeah, and then the Guardians get 1:27:54.680 --> 1:27:57.120 the heck out of there. That's it, and Mantis is cool. 1:27:57.120 --> 1:27:59.840 I like Mantis. We still have the sexual tension but 1:28:00.000 --> 1:28:04.120 between yeah, psic an unspoken thing, but yeah it's there. Well, 1:28:04.840 --> 1:28:08.439 something might have happened, Okay, okay, then we you know, 1:28:08.520 --> 1:28:10.479 you're a loan in space and gets hold up there. 1:28:11.080 --> 1:28:12.880 So this is this is when I woke up again. 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:15.920 I woke up. I was in slumber, slept on Guardens 1:28:15.960 --> 1:28:19.160 of the Galaxy. Woke up for Spider Man Homecoming. I 1:28:19.160 --> 1:28:24.080 woke up for that. This was a good film, first 1:28:24.080 --> 1:28:26.680 Spider Man film that really felt like Spider Man in 1:28:26.760 --> 1:28:28.719 so many ways. It does, and those first two Spider 1:28:28.720 --> 1:28:30.680 Man movies are great. Yeah, but you didn't like the 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:36.960 hot topic. I liked Toby McGuire. I liked the first one. 1:28:37.520 --> 1:28:41.320 The second one I was not a fan of too. Yeah, 1:28:41.320 --> 1:28:43.679 a lot of people like I Now at this point 1:28:43.720 --> 1:28:45.679 in my life, I have to go back and watch 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:48.200 it because when I was a teen when it came out, 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:51.479 I hated it. I hated that he revealed himself to 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:54.599 be sure to Mary Jane. I hated the kind of 1:28:54.640 --> 1:28:58.840 like fast tracking of things. I did not like it. 1:28:58.840 --> 1:29:01.120 It just did not vibe with me. But I need 1:29:01.200 --> 1:29:02.680 to go back and watch it because a lot of 1:29:02.720 --> 1:29:05.719 people really love Spider Man. There's a bunch of stuff 1:29:05.760 --> 1:29:07.680 that works there on the story level, but there's a 1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:10.040 bunch of stuff that if excuse me, if you are 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:12.200 a comic book fan, you point to it and you go, well, 1:29:12.240 --> 1:29:14.640 that's not the complete sort of story. It's not you know, 1:29:14.680 --> 1:29:17.040 we're we're missing out on certain things. We're missing out 1:29:17.040 --> 1:29:18.880 on the big thing that I missed out on, even 1:29:18.920 --> 1:29:20.679 though I do I did love those Spider Man movies 1:29:20.680 --> 1:29:22.240 when they were coming out when I was in high school. 1:29:22.960 --> 1:29:26.400 Was Toby McGuire's Peter Parker isn't quite there, He's not 1:29:26.520 --> 1:29:28.840 quite there with that sort of quippiness, with that sort 1:29:28.840 --> 1:29:32.559 of you know that that kind of relatability. I really 1:29:32.600 --> 1:29:34.880 liked Andrew Garfield in the role and the Amazing Spider 1:29:34.880 --> 1:29:38.160 Man one and two. But you got well, now you 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:39.679 can go back and check them out. I'll let you borrow. 1:29:39.680 --> 1:29:41.760 I'll let your borrow. But like, there's some great stuff 1:29:41.760 --> 1:29:43.240 in there, But those movies are too many cooks in 1:29:43.240 --> 1:29:45.360 the kitchen, too many things, and they're still kind of 1:29:45.400 --> 1:29:48.320 isolated because Spider Man is part of the Marvel Universe, 1:29:48.560 --> 1:29:50.519 and the Marvel Universe is a part of Spider Man. 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:52.720 I'll say the same thing about the X Men. When 1:29:52.760 --> 1:29:54.360 I argue, you know what, I'd love to see the 1:29:54.479 --> 1:29:56.439 X Men and the Fantastic Four in the m c U. 1:29:56.520 --> 1:29:58.640 People go, no, keep them separate. I go no. The 1:29:58.800 --> 1:30:02.040 X Men characters like Wolvere, they are incomplete without the 1:30:02.080 --> 1:30:04.160 rest of the Marvel universe. But the Marvel Universe is 1:30:04.200 --> 1:30:06.680 incomplete without them too. I love them. They need to 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:10.040 be over there. So you know, Tom Hollands, Peter Parker's 1:30:10.080 --> 1:30:14.120 so great, so likable. The villain in this at the time, 1:30:14.280 --> 1:30:16.320 best villain in the m c U at the time 1:30:17.040 --> 1:30:27.800 was Michael Keaton. Yes, he loves wings character Vulture Batman. Also, 1:30:27.880 --> 1:30:31.920 we got to talk about just the societal missdirect in 1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:36.240 the twist of the movie. Yes, they caught me, they 1:30:36.280 --> 1:30:42.439 caught my racist as they called everyone because no, he 1:30:42.600 --> 1:30:45.080 turns out to be the love interest who happens to 1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:52.040 be African American. Zendia Liz is played by Laura Harrier. 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:54.639 I think you see actress's name and she is black. 1:30:55.400 --> 1:30:58.599 So when he opens the door and sees Michael Keaton, 1:30:58.680 --> 1:31:01.880 it's such a dad as heard that, it freaks out 1:31:01.920 --> 1:31:05.840 and then there's this Pedro Huh what is he doing there? 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:07.760 And it took me a second and I'm like, oh 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:10.120 my god, we should go and watch it after this. 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:13.720 But then on top of that, it didn't do the 1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:16.800 cheesy kind of like movie thing of like they don't 1:31:16.800 --> 1:31:21.679 know like immediately the next scene Michael Keaton that's spun 1:31:21.760 --> 1:31:23.960 in fact, when he figured it out, this great moment. 1:31:23.960 --> 1:31:25.840 He's sitting in the car and they stopped at a 1:31:25.880 --> 1:31:28.200 red light and as he's like talking to Peter and 1:31:28.200 --> 1:31:30.400 figures said, oh, you must have been so scared in Washington, 1:31:30.439 --> 1:31:32.519 d C. Right when Spider Man saved you. No, I 1:31:32.560 --> 1:31:34.360 wasn't there, sir. I was you know, he's figuring it out. 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:36.960 There's a red light. As soon as he figures it out, 1:31:36.960 --> 1:31:39.840 the light turns green on the Vulture's face and he's 1:31:39.840 --> 1:31:42.920 looking back at him like Pedro, it's great. And then 1:31:43.120 --> 1:31:44.920 his daughter would be like, dad the light screen and 1:31:44.960 --> 1:31:47.240 then he goes And so there's so much great stuff there. 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:50.200 But what's fantastic about Spider Man Homecoming is like it's 1:31:50.200 --> 1:31:52.080 not an end of the world thing. It's a pair 1:31:52.240 --> 1:31:54.640 down story about Peter. We get Iron Man. We have 1:31:54.720 --> 1:31:57.000 him coming in Tony Stark and being this mentor sort 1:31:57.000 --> 1:31:59.800 of father figure, kind of like an uncle Ben. It's great, 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:02.160 it's super funny. It's not the end of the World steaks, 1:32:02.160 --> 1:32:04.000 but that's okay because to me, it's like a part 1:32:04.040 --> 1:32:06.840 one of a Harry Potter franchise. It's the Sorcerer's Stone. 1:32:06.880 --> 1:32:09.720 We've got places to go, people, It's okay, all right, 1:32:09.760 --> 1:32:12.519 And then we go to thor Ragnarok. I go back 1:32:12.520 --> 1:32:18.640 to sleep, I go back. Have you seen any of 1:32:19.560 --> 1:32:23.360 films New Zealand director Taka Wait, here's a very key 1:32:23.400 --> 1:32:25.479 thing about thor ragn Rock that I didn't even get 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:29.760 on my first watch. The movie is about vampires, effects 1:32:29.840 --> 1:32:35.080 of colonialism and the repercussions of colonialism and how the 1:32:35.640 --> 1:32:39.519 basic premises that Hella, played by Kate Blanchet, returns and 1:32:39.600 --> 1:32:42.640 she reveals that she is Odin's firstborn daughter and that 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:46.559 for Asgar to achieve the level of of success and 1:32:46.600 --> 1:32:49.920 wealth and fame and wealth that Asgar did, it had 1:32:49.960 --> 1:32:56.040 to bury people's and cultures, and which is interesting because 1:32:56.040 --> 1:33:00.000 he is a first people's of Australia, right he is yeah, 1:33:00.160 --> 1:33:04.000 He's a Maori. He's yeah, because because the out of 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:07.280 vogue term of what people used to say is aboriginal, 1:33:07.320 --> 1:33:10.639 which now this year we've made an effort to stop 1:33:10.760 --> 1:33:14.040 using that term. Yeah. Um but yeah, so that is 1:33:14.200 --> 1:33:17.880 coming from a very personal absolutely absolutely, and it's still 1:33:17.920 --> 1:33:21.120 super funny. That's what his movies are about. So he 1:33:21.200 --> 1:33:23.960 brings that voice and yeah, and it's just Thor who 1:33:24.000 --> 1:33:26.320 meets Hulk up in space. The Hulk has been up 1:33:26.320 --> 1:33:28.560 there because that's where we last saw him from Avengers. 1:33:28.560 --> 1:33:31.080 Agent have a lot of comedy together, really good stuff. 1:33:31.120 --> 1:33:33.519 I go with TV. I mean, yeah, he if you 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:35.720 got to go watch what don't worry I want to see. 1:33:35.840 --> 1:33:37.400 This is the one I was saying, what we do 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:40.360 in the Shadows, thank you exolutely enjoy it. She really would, 1:33:40.400 --> 1:33:43.679 and then you'd want to see his other work. Um yeah, 1:33:43.720 --> 1:33:46.200 this was just another you know, it did have some 1:33:46.240 --> 1:33:48.519 weight to it. But I would say, in the long run, 1:33:48.560 --> 1:33:54.240 like another fun, loud music type of Um, I feel 1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:55.840 like people are going to be so mad and we've 1:33:56.280 --> 1:33:58.800 we've equated like these films down to Yeah, it was fun. 1:33:59.280 --> 1:34:02.400 There was music. I just said, it's Coli. You did 1:34:02.479 --> 1:34:06.679 You're right, you didn't. And we have the All star 1:34:07.120 --> 1:34:10.640 dropping in. I mean we have Tessa Thompson Valkyrie. I 1:34:10.680 --> 1:34:19.040 mean she kicked as and extremely Jeff Goldblum, of course, yes, um, 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:23.080 but but she really I did set up something special 1:34:23.120 --> 1:34:25.360 in this film. And then she later was like, we 1:34:25.400 --> 1:34:28.840 need to have an all female film, okay, And I 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:32.599 think given how great she was in this and and 1:34:32.760 --> 1:34:36.679 her character's future, I think she can make that work. 1:34:36.720 --> 1:34:41.040 I would agree. Then I'll wake all the way up. 1:34:41.920 --> 1:34:48.679 If I was buried, I shout out the grave. I 1:34:48.680 --> 1:34:52.479 pulled back the curtains, not only for myself but for 1:34:52.640 --> 1:34:58.280 America because Black Panther dropped. And I will say all 1:34:58.360 --> 1:35:00.479 the like hype up to Black Panther. I just stayed 1:35:00.800 --> 1:35:03.800 very calm, very calm. I didn't want to get too 1:35:03.840 --> 1:35:07.200 high because I Black Panther is one of my favorite 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:11.679 characters so much that there is a level of anger 1:35:11.720 --> 1:35:14.280 I had that they had not wait longer for me 1:35:14.360 --> 1:35:17.439 to be of age to play to Challa. You could 1:35:17.439 --> 1:35:20.880 play to Challa like college ears. Yeah, well you know 1:35:21.880 --> 1:35:25.120 who knows. I just know that if I'm not into 1:35:25.200 --> 1:35:29.080 I'm probably gonna fire all my representation and I'm gonna 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:36.280 send them this clip once we're done. But it I 1:35:36.280 --> 1:35:40.920 saw it three times and it really too now knowing 1:35:41.320 --> 1:35:44.400 that about Ragnarok, it really did. And even if we 1:35:44.439 --> 1:35:49.440 go to Homecoming, this new wave of of just aware 1:35:50.160 --> 1:35:55.520 content from comic books, knowing the effect and really uplifting 1:35:56.120 --> 1:36:00.600 not only people of color, they do now shift the 1:36:00.640 --> 1:36:03.040 tide of these movies to not be something that just 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:06.519 get these nerdy white guys man, but everybody can show 1:36:06.640 --> 1:36:11.400 up and feel represented. I only hope we can do it. 1:36:11.439 --> 1:36:14.439 I hope we get either Michael Pinion and the super 1:36:14.439 --> 1:36:17.880 Board get you know, like we need to really make 1:36:17.920 --> 1:36:20.320 the steps to do it. And I think Marvel they've 1:36:20.320 --> 1:36:22.240 talked about their like we know part of our future 1:36:22.240 --> 1:36:26.080 plan is a better representation and diversity and different types 1:36:26.120 --> 1:36:28.519 of audiences. And look at what Wonder Woman did last 1:36:28.560 --> 1:36:30.479 year for so many women around the world. Look at 1:36:30.479 --> 1:36:33.479 what Black Panther did for black around Does everyone really? 1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:35.840 I mean it's like people see this and they relate 1:36:35.920 --> 1:36:39.160 to a story of having turmoil and your family of 1:36:39.200 --> 1:36:42.559 having turmoil, you know, these like sins of the Father 1:36:42.640 --> 1:36:44.439 type of things. Like people relate to it. So it's 1:36:44.479 --> 1:36:46.479 so funny when people like they make excuses for why 1:36:46.520 --> 1:36:48.519 they didn't know what you know, when Danny, I don't 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:52.479 even care anymore because you know what you know, because 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:55.679 now we got numbers on the Board's right, We got 1:36:56.000 --> 1:37:01.080 big numbers on the boards. So any time somebody even 1:37:01.120 --> 1:37:05.040 tries to negate any Latin next movie, any Asiana, you 1:37:05.120 --> 1:37:08.840 know what I'm gonna tell him. Sorry, ears Um, that's 1:37:08.840 --> 1:37:11.400 for editing the workout. But I'm ana bark them quiet 1:37:13.360 --> 1:37:16.840 numbers on the board. Are you done? Him? Are you? 1:37:17.080 --> 1:37:19.800 Are you finished? Are you do you finished? Because I 1:37:19.880 --> 1:37:23.439 have these numbers on the butt because I have watched 1:37:24.240 --> 1:37:30.160 from the mountains your white heroes and I am not impressed. 1:37:30.200 --> 1:37:37.120 Scoff at tradition you scoffed at and blackness in cinema? Yes, 1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:39.240 can we talk about how we had the introduction of 1:37:39.320 --> 1:37:44.200 Umbaku Winston Duke himself. Now, just I love watching, like 1:37:44.280 --> 1:37:45.800 I'm such a creep that I'll go and look at 1:37:45.840 --> 1:37:49.839 someone's Instagram and he had I followed him that weekend 1:37:50.120 --> 1:37:56.400 and I watched he had like three followers. Just and 1:37:56.439 --> 1:37:58.840 it's and it's so beautiful to watch. Make sure you're 1:37:58.880 --> 1:38:01.040 paying attention when that happens. Me a black panther. It 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:04.799 made stars of everybody. Letitia right, coming from black mirror 1:38:04.800 --> 1:38:07.920 exactly that. Now it's like everyone's like, you're sure, you're 1:38:07.960 --> 1:38:10.599 amazing black to black like the cover of lethal weapon, 1:38:10.760 --> 1:38:13.200 you know. And I didn't mess that up. I meant 1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:18.280 black to black, black mirror to black. Panther's right, yeah, yeah, 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:21.559 so we okay, what I will say? So tying that 1:38:21.640 --> 1:38:25.920 to what's next at the very end, Bucky popping out 1:38:26.400 --> 1:38:29.240 the white sure, yeah, the white wolf popping out. He 1:38:29.280 --> 1:38:32.600 looked good? Would he look like he's gotten some rest? 1:38:32.360 --> 1:38:35.680 And which will we We can debate on whether they 1:38:35.680 --> 1:38:38.200 were calling him the white Wolf or referencing him as 1:38:38.200 --> 1:38:40.320 the white Wolf, because there is a character in Black 1:38:40.320 --> 1:38:42.840 Panther lore called the White Wolf, which is a white 1:38:42.920 --> 1:38:46.559 character that Chaka took under his wing. He realized that 1:38:46.600 --> 1:38:48.560 he was not going to ever have the mantle of 1:38:48.600 --> 1:38:50.800 the Black Panther when to Chola was born, and so 1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:55.160 there was a secret uh secret police for Wakonda that 1:38:55.280 --> 1:38:58.439 was disbanded when to child took off. Honestly, I do 1:38:58.520 --> 1:39:00.759 think they're probably just going to pass the man's Debucky, 1:39:00.840 --> 1:39:02.920 because there's not enough time to set that up. And 1:39:03.080 --> 1:39:05.120 I kind of hope they do because that is a 1:39:05.240 --> 1:39:08.840 good because if they go that route, where they talk 1:39:08.920 --> 1:39:11.840 about like a secret police for Waconda. You feel like 1:39:11.880 --> 1:39:15.479 that blends in perfectly for the story Tennahsey Coats built 1:39:15.520 --> 1:39:18.559 true true in the comic books. Absolutely, I have to 1:39:18.560 --> 1:39:23.280 plug real quick. Um Coats was on Marin's podcast and 1:39:23.320 --> 1:39:26.680 it was so good. Man. He was talking when he 1:39:26.720 --> 1:39:29.679 took over Black Panther and like some of this stuff 1:39:29.720 --> 1:39:31.639 that he was dealing and where he wanted to take it, 1:39:31.680 --> 1:39:35.800 and like how his first book failed and just like, Oh, 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:40.479 listening to it is just so fascinating. Definitely listen to 1:39:40.520 --> 1:39:43.439 it when you're done with this. One is writing the 1:39:43.520 --> 1:39:46.800 Captain America comic this summer, which is which is a 1:39:46.880 --> 1:39:49.719 big deal. I mean, I've loved his Black Panther stuff, 1:39:49.720 --> 1:39:51.240 but I really cannot wait to see what he does 1:39:51.280 --> 1:39:55.920 with Steve Rogers Captain America. So we are rounding it out. 1:39:56.400 --> 1:40:00.240 This is uh this week dropping Avengers and Finity the War. 1:40:00.320 --> 1:40:04.519 We will all be seeing it together. Yeah, but let's 1:40:04.520 --> 1:40:06.680 give the people what they want, which is what I 1:40:06.800 --> 1:40:11.120 was cut off Frier away, what did you stay in 1:40:11.200 --> 1:40:15.200 chronological order? But I'm glad we did because everything that 1:40:15.280 --> 1:40:17.960 we talked about will make what I'm saying makes sense 1:40:18.000 --> 1:40:23.400 if you did not know before, so I think Danny partner. Yeah, 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:30.720 of course the best. So my idea is that Infinity 1:40:30.760 --> 1:40:35.639 War we still have Scarlet Witch. Non comic fans are 1:40:35.720 --> 1:40:37.559 unaware of the House of v I know where you're 1:40:37.560 --> 1:40:41.640 going with this. I'm gonna give it. If he had 1:40:41.800 --> 1:40:43.720 a few minutes here, he's going to explain this. So 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:46.200 the House of Him was an event in the comics. 1:40:46.760 --> 1:40:51.160 It happened after Civil War, right now, before before Civil War. Yeah, no, 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:53.960 because it kind of blended in with Before Civil War, 1:40:54.360 --> 1:40:59.720 Scarlet Witch had issues mentally, was schizophrenic. She kind of 1:40:59.720 --> 1:41:01.240 broke down a little bit. Yeah, she had like a 1:41:01.320 --> 1:41:05.599 mental breakdown, and this was a problem. They were like, 1:41:05.760 --> 1:41:10.240 someone who has the power to bend reality should not 1:41:11.040 --> 1:41:14.559 have a mental breakdown. And so they brought in the 1:41:14.840 --> 1:41:17.720 X Men and the Avengers and they're like, we need 1:41:17.800 --> 1:41:20.719 to kill her because this is too big of a threat. 1:41:21.000 --> 1:41:22.960 And the X Men are like, you don't even get 1:41:22.960 --> 1:41:26.280 to say, Avengers, She's with us, this is our family. 1:41:26.400 --> 1:41:30.320 You And this created an event that eventually lad Scarlet 1:41:30.320 --> 1:41:34.559 Witch to mutter the words no mutants, which how many 1:41:34.600 --> 1:41:39.240 mutants did it cut it down to? Out of millions 1:41:39.240 --> 1:41:42.000 around the world. She depowered mutants when she said no 1:41:42.120 --> 1:41:45.160 more mutants, and it just you know, around the world, 1:41:45.200 --> 1:41:47.920 this big blink happened and people lost their powers except 1:41:47.960 --> 1:41:52.320 for the that ended up forming around the X Men 1:41:52.439 --> 1:41:55.920 mansion in Westchester, New York for protection. And yeah, and 1:41:55.960 --> 1:41:58.040 that's so. So are you saying that the Scarlet Witch 1:41:58.360 --> 1:42:00.639 is going to manipulate reality in this I feel like 1:42:00.720 --> 1:42:03.400 the Scarlet Witch is going to manipulate and do a 1:42:03.520 --> 1:42:05.760 flip of House of Him where instead of saying no 1:42:05.800 --> 1:42:09.720 more mutants, she speaks to the existence of mutants and 1:42:10.400 --> 1:42:15.240 then bringing the X Men into our world. And I 1:42:15.280 --> 1:42:17.759 think that's why no one wants to say the title 1:42:18.760 --> 1:42:23.000 because it's Avengers versus x Men. Really you think is 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:26.280 going to be Avengers versus x Men. That's that's a 1:42:26.320 --> 1:42:29.439 bold move me a little bit. And maybe you know, 1:42:29.479 --> 1:42:31.800 you and I were talking about this hector about some 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:35.680 and I think maybe they could have someone from X 1:42:35.720 --> 1:42:38.960 Men show up. Maybe. I mean, I've heard rumors. I've 1:42:38.960 --> 1:42:41.759 heard rumors that like we might see the Silver Surfer, 1:42:42.000 --> 1:42:44.000 but I'm like that that's still a Fox thing. But 1:42:44.040 --> 1:42:46.240 like you're saying earlier, if at the beginning of the show, 1:42:46.520 --> 1:42:49.120 these companies have these deals in that out months and 1:42:49.200 --> 1:42:51.559 if you do want to say your theory goes along 1:42:51.560 --> 1:42:54.600 with if you're like Mutants, you know, we have the 1:42:54.640 --> 1:43:00.840 New Mutants film. Yeah, so I feel like that could be. Yeah, 1:43:00.840 --> 1:43:03.599 I see what you mean. It could They're all playing 1:43:03.640 --> 1:43:06.080 ball together and we don't know. Maybe. I think that 1:43:06.160 --> 1:43:09.000 whatever happens, I just want to see Ryan Reynolds continue 1:43:09.000 --> 1:43:13.559 to play Deadpool if there's ever like emerging like that, right, 1:43:13.680 --> 1:43:15.840 And he's allowed to because that character is the character 1:43:15.880 --> 1:43:18.320 that breaks the fourth wall. Yeah, so like that's allowed. 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:20.719 But I do not want to see Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:22.160 And I do not want to see what you're saying. 1:43:22.160 --> 1:43:24.280 I don't because I'm like, I think that era of 1:43:24.280 --> 1:43:26.240 those movies are done. Well. I feel like he closed 1:43:26.240 --> 1:43:28.680 the book. He closed the book specifically, but even that 1:43:28.800 --> 1:43:31.559 kind of era, that sort of Fox X Men movies 1:43:31.560 --> 1:43:33.439 where they're just kind of like figuring it out as 1:43:33.439 --> 1:43:35.360 they go along movie to movie, it's like we're done. 1:43:35.400 --> 1:43:38.000 If Marvel Cinematic Universe were to get if Marvel Studios 1:43:38.000 --> 1:43:40.040 were to get the X Men characters, they will have 1:43:40.080 --> 1:43:42.240 that plan to be like here's the characters are introducing 1:43:42.280 --> 1:43:45.360 first this is the bad guy. We can plant these seeds. Boom, boom, boom. 1:43:45.360 --> 1:43:49.720 But how would you feel about the first class X Men? 1:43:50.200 --> 1:43:51.639 I would be okay with I think that a great 1:43:51.680 --> 1:43:53.639 way to do it is you've got Tom Holland, who 1:43:53.680 --> 1:43:56.320 Spider Man, right, he's in Queens. I think that you 1:43:56.479 --> 1:43:59.679 introduced the idea that around the year two thousand, two 1:44:00.000 --> 1:44:04.040 thousand three, way more mutants started being born. So by 1:44:04.160 --> 1:44:08.840 the time you get to whatever, they're like in their 1:44:08.840 --> 1:44:11.559 early twenties or they're like in their teens, and that 1:44:11.640 --> 1:44:14.599 becomes the class that Xavier is barely sort of teaching. 1:44:14.720 --> 1:44:16.679 Xavier was maybe born in the eighties. You know, he's 1:44:16.680 --> 1:44:19.360 not super old. Magneto still has to be a Holocaust 1:44:19.400 --> 1:44:22.320 survivor from World War Two. He just ages very slowly. 1:44:22.720 --> 1:44:24.840 But just make it so that mutants are a relatively 1:44:24.880 --> 1:44:27.080 new thing. I think it's doable to entry. You don't 1:44:27.080 --> 1:44:29.600 have to do every character all at once. Boom, we 1:44:29.680 --> 1:44:31.679 got all of them. We've got thousands of X Men characters. 1:44:31.880 --> 1:44:33.880 Take it slow, give us that first group and pick 1:44:33.960 --> 1:44:36.559 characters that are diverse but still kind of make up 1:44:36.560 --> 1:44:40.120 those classic iconic characters. Find great actors like you found 1:44:40.160 --> 1:44:42.400 Tom Holland give us a new X Men movie set 1:44:42.439 --> 1:44:44.160 in the world, and then you're good to go. Okay, 1:44:44.160 --> 1:44:46.760 how man would you be if all the Avengers are 1:44:46.800 --> 1:44:50.840 knocked out and that Cats just standing tall with the 1:44:50.920 --> 1:44:54.200 shield and and he's looking weak. He drops his shield 1:44:54.240 --> 1:44:56.320 and Fanos come in from a punch and then a 1:44:56.439 --> 1:45:02.040 claw it zooms out and it's uh huge check. Ye, 1:45:02.160 --> 1:45:05.000 I'd be pretty mad. So I think we'd not like that. So, 1:45:05.120 --> 1:45:07.000 my my, I think that they're at least going to 1:45:07.120 --> 1:45:12.599 kill cap Um probably. Yeah, you know, we've already seen. Please, 1:45:13.680 --> 1:45:16.280 you've got so many I mean, I get it, but 1:45:16.479 --> 1:45:18.360 there has to be some weight to this. They can't 1:45:18.400 --> 1:45:22.160 just keep having these. But like, that's the thing though 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:24.280 with a lot of these films, is that the stakes 1:45:24.360 --> 1:45:27.520 aren't as high because nobody does because they're so bankable 1:45:27.720 --> 1:45:30.519 and we came to love them. I have some interesting 1:45:30.600 --> 1:45:33.000 picks for deaths for my dead Pool. I definitely think 1:45:33.080 --> 1:45:36.800 cap might be one of them. I have as around. 1:45:36.800 --> 1:45:38.160 We got to talk about that. Well, I think she 1:45:38.240 --> 1:45:42.679 might be reborn. Yeah, here's what are you talking about? Danny. 1:45:42.760 --> 1:45:46.240 Don't like that reborn? What does that even mean? Okay, 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:50.880 Hulk gets killed. Okay, and they introduce Asian Holp. What 1:45:50.920 --> 1:45:53.640 about she Hulk she hoped would be tight to. I 1:45:53.640 --> 1:45:55.400 would take either one. I take I'm a Days Show 1:45:56.400 --> 1:45:58.599 the totally awesome Holk, or I would take Jennifer Walter's 1:45:59.080 --> 1:46:01.240 Bruce Banner's cousin as the Sheeholk. We even't one of 1:46:01.240 --> 1:46:03.160 those to be fine. Yeah, And the other brilliant thing 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:05.720 about this franchise is that they've been planting seeds from 1:46:05.720 --> 1:46:09.200 the beginning for the legacy of these characters to continue 1:46:09.200 --> 1:46:12.960 to be passed on to new iterations. Even sureI introduced 1:46:13.000 --> 1:46:15.040 us to Chilla's sister, it's like she becomes Black Panther. 1:46:15.080 --> 1:46:17.479 At some point she becomes She's Black Panthers went down 1:46:17.479 --> 1:46:20.639 that depressing hole where it's like, you know, what if 1:46:20.640 --> 1:46:24.080 they do kill that's not going to happen. What if 1:46:24.080 --> 1:46:26.320 they do like it would be a bold move. It 1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:29.720 would have to be it would have to be five 1:46:29.280 --> 1:46:32.840 or it would have to be after second Black Panther. There, 1:46:33.080 --> 1:46:36.120 he's getting one more Black Panther film. At least they 1:46:36.160 --> 1:46:38.360 killed my Man's and sure he's the new Black Panther 1:46:38.840 --> 1:46:41.799 not and then he comes back. It'll happen with the death. 1:46:42.080 --> 1:46:45.200 See that's the thing that that that that that Black 1:46:45.200 --> 1:46:48.559 Panther did not include that I think. Okay, So in 1:46:48.640 --> 1:46:53.240 the comics, he's not powered by a flower. Okay, he 1:46:53.280 --> 1:46:56.080 gets the power from the spirit of the god Black 1:46:56.120 --> 1:47:00.439 Panthers Bust, Yeah, Bust and the panther god the to God. 1:47:00.680 --> 1:47:03.240 And that's how they were able to co exist Suri 1:47:03.439 --> 1:47:06.640 and T'Challa as both Black Panther because remember after the 1:47:06.680 --> 1:47:09.040 events when he took over Hell's kitchen, he came back 1:47:09.120 --> 1:47:11.960 and Boston bued him with the power of death and 1:47:12.080 --> 1:47:17.080 black and sure he was Black Panther of life. Um, yeah, 1:47:17.120 --> 1:47:20.080 they could do. But but I don't know, because well 1:47:20.080 --> 1:47:23.320 they did plant a seed, because they do show in 1:47:23.360 --> 1:47:26.479 the little uh animation at the up top of Black 1:47:26.479 --> 1:47:31.719 Panther someone communicating with bost They do, yeah, and maybe 1:47:32.360 --> 1:47:34.439 they burned. So I don't know. There's just so many 1:47:34.439 --> 1:47:37.679 seeds that have been planted for potential stories, for potential characters, 1:47:37.680 --> 1:47:40.759 for potential villains, for potential love interest, for potential sidekicks, 1:47:40.800 --> 1:47:43.320 for potential new characters that pick up the mantle of 1:47:43.360 --> 1:47:46.360 the old characters. Even in Spider Man Homecoming, Donald Glover, 1:47:46.479 --> 1:47:48.880 who plays Aaron Davis as I got a nephew here. 1:47:49.120 --> 1:47:52.320 He's talking about Miles Morales like those seeds are planted 1:47:52.720 --> 1:47:55.240 so they could do whatever they want and I'm here 1:47:55.280 --> 1:47:58.000 for it. All right. Well, I think that's all you 1:47:58.040 --> 1:48:00.280 need to know. Where can people find you? Find me? 1:48:01.000 --> 1:48:03.479 Find me on the internet at Hector is funny and 1:48:04.080 --> 1:48:05.880 I'll be talking about this movie for a long time 1:48:07.680 --> 1:48:10.680 and you can find me if Y W A D 1:48:10.680 --> 1:48:15.519 I W E on Instagram and Twitter. I'm at MS 1:48:15.600 --> 1:48:18.240 Danny Fernandez M S D A and I F E 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:20.120 R N A N D e Z. Don't forget to 1:48:20.160 --> 1:48:22.720 hit us up on iTunes if you're listening on there 1:48:22.800 --> 1:48:25.040 and give us a five star review. 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