Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Nerdificent. I am one of your hosts,
Speaker 1: Danny Fernandez, and sitting across from me is anyway Hell yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're here with a very honored guests. You will
Speaker 1: recognize him from Nerdice. He is a host on d
Speaker 1: C All Access. He's a host at hyper RPG and
Speaker 1: he is when I thought of this episode, the most
Speaker 1: qualified person to talk about it, it is Mr Hector Navarro.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here. I
Speaker 1: love you guys very much, or thank you so much
Speaker 1: for asking me to come and talk about the thing
Speaker 1: that is the easiest for me to talk. He literally
Speaker 1: had to do no research for this. I was joking.
Speaker 1: I said it should be Nerdificent hosted by Hector Navarro
Speaker 1: with guests if you want to wait and Danny Fernandez
Speaker 1: for this one. You have that like encyclopedic pocket knowledge
Speaker 1: of the Marvel universe. And yeah, I remember, even when
Speaker 1: pressed with things that might be outside of the wheelhouse,
Speaker 1: you you have a book with information like when we
Speaker 1: have that which I'm going to talk about this here
Speaker 1: because I think that no one really knows what are
Speaker 1: we talking about. Before Black Panther came out, we'd shared
Speaker 1: that tweet from our I think it was our friend.
Speaker 1: We have to talk about this. That was a great
Speaker 1: tweet and a great question. Yeah, that was like why
Speaker 1: didn't Black Panther just destroy America after finding out about
Speaker 1: slavery and then we had this huge disclosion or that
Speaker 1: that goes further into the question of like why didn't Wakonda,
Speaker 1: with its resources historically help slavery that was happening to
Speaker 1: the rest of Africa, And then that was the movie
Speaker 1: that was before the movie. Yeah, we see they're reading,
Speaker 1: they're paying attention, but like we were asking that question.
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I think I saw you retweeted
Speaker 1: because you were like, this is a really good question
Speaker 1: because because it's because this is great question about this
Speaker 1: alternate history of this world. Right, and the Marvel Universe
Speaker 1: is for the most part, like supposed to be our world,
Speaker 1: with certain differences here and there. Right, A guy gets
Speaker 1: the superpowered drugs during World War Two, so that's Captain America.
Speaker 1: A kid gets bitten by Spider and Queens, so that's
Speaker 1: Spider Man, but it's still our world. Then the big
Speaker 1: difference for the world of Black Panther is this country
Speaker 1: in the middle of Africa gets this resource which makes
Speaker 1: it super developed, super quickly. And then the reason that
Speaker 1: was created and designed by mostly white writers Jewish dudes
Speaker 1: back in the sixties Stanley's Jack Kirby on all these
Speaker 1: different people that contributed to Black Panther, and even when
Speaker 1: it got to black writers, black artists and and everybody
Speaker 1: who can contribute to that lore. It was all just
Speaker 1: to justify why somebody who was more advanced in most
Speaker 1: every way than iron Man could come from Africa and
Speaker 1: and the Western world's like idea of Africa and they
Speaker 1: came up with it's because Wakonda is the best. Well,
Speaker 1: how do we not know about Wakonda. It's because they've
Speaker 1: hidden it. And the only answer I could come up with.
Speaker 1: So if he's talking about I looked up my encyclopedia
Speaker 1: that was scifically not just in encyclopedia, it's a Marvel
Speaker 1: atlas that's like it tours you through the Marvel world, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: here's Dr Doom's country, lat Veria, Here's you know, like
Speaker 1: all the fake countries and all the real countries, and
Speaker 1: then you get to the fake country of wakand of
Speaker 1: the fictional country, the only thing I could find in
Speaker 1: its history is like it decided to remain isolationist to
Speaker 1: protect its resources and its people, and as we saw
Speaker 1: in the movie, and the movie then became was that
Speaker 1: the right thing to do? And it's so good and
Speaker 1: so yeah, that was that was fun to like go
Speaker 1: look that up because I was like, huh and then
Speaker 1: you know, you go find out I know that was
Speaker 1: It's cool. Yeah, it's that. It's cool. But speaking of
Speaker 1: black Panthers, speaking of everything we were just talking about.
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this now, you know that Infinity
Speaker 1: War is about to drop. And like the basic mission
Speaker 1: statement of this podcast, a nerdy podcast for everyone, you
Speaker 1: may have started anywhere along these three phases, there's been wow.
Speaker 1: I guess we got to back it up. So the
Speaker 1: Marvel Universe, the cinematic universe has been broken up into
Speaker 1: phases and they kind of announced the quote unquote phases
Speaker 1: since the first phase, which I remember that was the
Speaker 1: first thing us nerves were hyped about, like phases. WS gonna, well,
Speaker 1: what's happening? And um, I'm glad I pulled this up
Speaker 1: because we're gonna go down this list in a list
Speaker 1: that I found online that says, is the chronological order
Speaker 1: and looking at it, and by chronological it means like
Speaker 1: within the world and not within when they were released.
Speaker 1: And so Phase one was Captain America, the First Avenger,
Speaker 1: iron Man, Iron Man to the Incredible Hulk, Thor and Avengers.
Speaker 1: That's phase one to Phase one is all the movies
Speaker 1: leading up to the Avenger. And we're gonna go and
Speaker 1: depth on these, so don't be like, wait, wait, I'm
Speaker 1: just breaking down the phases for you. Phase two is
Speaker 1: iron Man three, The or the Dark World, Captain America,
Speaker 1: The Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Guardians of the
Speaker 1: Galaxy Volume too, and Avengers, Age of Ultron and Man.
Speaker 1: And that one's interesting because you just described a movie
Speaker 1: that's technically released in its phase three, which just came
Speaker 1: out last year in seventeen, Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two,
Speaker 1: but chronologically it only takes place a few months after
Speaker 1: the first Guardians movie, which took place in the year
Speaker 1: and there's little ways you can track that. If you
Speaker 1: watch the movie and pay attention, you're like, okay, it
Speaker 1: tells you star Lord as this age and you know
Speaker 1: that he was picked up on Earth. You kind of
Speaker 1: do that math nerds did that math to figure out
Speaker 1: what year out in space in relation to Earth was
Speaker 1: all that stuff happening. It is a year, so a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. So so yeah, So that's an
Speaker 1: interesting case where it's like a phase three movie. Technically bop,
Speaker 1: you plot it right, you squeeze it right into the
Speaker 1: middle of phase two of it. By now the listeners
Speaker 1: have figured out why we brought you on this podcast
Speaker 1: because it was it was just the quickness and when
Speaker 1: you're like, ah, it was perfectly well, how do you
Speaker 1: before you go on to phase three? If how do
Speaker 1: you rank these? Then do you go off of this
Speaker 1: chronological order? Because I only look at them as their
Speaker 1: release dates because that's how we were introduced to them.
Speaker 1: And also you can see the technology changing, uh and
Speaker 1: actors changing for some of these roles, um specifically Wholk
Speaker 1: you know, So yeah, how do you look at it? Hector?
Speaker 1: I look at it like I just go off of
Speaker 1: I know, people love to talk about that first Captain
Speaker 1: American movie because it was set mostly in World War
Speaker 1: Two as like, hey, this is the beginning of the
Speaker 1: Marvel universe and let's start there, right, But I really
Speaker 1: do like to look at the movies in theatrical release
Speaker 1: date for the for the reasons you mentioned, but also
Speaker 1: like they were designed that way, and also like Captain
Speaker 1: America opens with the present day and it's a little
Speaker 1: prologue and it's like, sir, we found them, and then
Speaker 1: it gives you the whole movie is technically a flashback.
Speaker 1: And even if a movie is kind of out of
Speaker 1: place chronologically, like Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two or
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange, which it's kind of unclear when Doctor Strange
Speaker 1: is happening, as opposed to if you watch Captain America
Speaker 1: Civil War, you meet two characters, Black Panther and Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Their movies happened pretty much right after Captain America Civil War, right,
Speaker 1: we follow us by d and Queens, and then we
Speaker 1: followed to Challa in Wakonda. But Doctor Strange was that
Speaker 1: movie was released after Captain America Civil War, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: how long was he like being trained by Tilda Swinton?
Speaker 1: How you know? Like, so there's all these questions. So
Speaker 1: I still like to look at them in theatrical release
Speaker 1: if I'm marathoning them, if I'm watching them in order,
Speaker 1: because it also just keeps things a little fresh, because
Speaker 1: you know, as soon as you watch one movie, instead
Speaker 1: of doing like, okay, let's pop in part two, it's like, well,
Speaker 1: let's go watch a completely new character. Also, the post
Speaker 1: credit scenes are set up that way exactly, and you know,
Speaker 1: those kinds of things give you enough clues to kind
Speaker 1: of plug stuff in order. But it doesn't have a
Speaker 1: crazy chronology. It really doesn't. It's pretty straightforward to like
Speaker 1: if you watch the movies in the order that they
Speaker 1: were theatrically released, you can pretty much follow along. And
Speaker 1: there's a couple of little things that they put on,
Speaker 1: like the Blue Rays when they came out, called one shots,
Speaker 1: those little like short films that kind of like fill
Speaker 1: in some blanks a little bit or like further explained stuff.
Speaker 1: But it's not essential. So it's like if you want
Speaker 1: that kind of like streamlined like wood order, should I
Speaker 1: want watched it in? You can find that information. It's
Speaker 1: out there, but it's not like vital to me to enjoy,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean to and to get the movies.
Speaker 1: It's like, just watch the movies just that's why I
Speaker 1: look at it. Just for those crazies, we will have
Speaker 1: a link from the art cale I pulled this from
Speaker 1: the footnotes because they do the link. I chopped it down.
Speaker 1: But the one that they did, they plug in the
Speaker 1: TV shows in the TV and the short films like
Speaker 1: talking about the stuff. Yeah, so Agent Carter's season one
Speaker 1: and two was actually after Captain America. That's that's where
Speaker 1: they plugged it in before iron Man. Yeah, because yeah,
Speaker 1: iron Man took place in I mean, if there's a
Speaker 1: flashback in an episode of like I don't know, like
Speaker 1: Agents of Shields season three that reveals something that happened
Speaker 1: like hundreds of years ago, people will grab that and go, okay,
Speaker 1: let's plug it in the right order. And there's these
Speaker 1: timelines that people put together. It is intense. It's intense.
Speaker 1: So it's down to like the minute people of people
Speaker 1: have figured I want to do something on that subculture. Okay, sorry,
Speaker 1: So Phase three the rest of this article, if you
Speaker 1: with chronological order, just the movies to the the one
Speaker 1: that will be in the footnotes will have all the shorts,
Speaker 1: like they included the shorts on the DVDs everything, but
Speaker 1: of the films Captain America, Civil War, they plugged in
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange after that, the Spider Man Homecoming and thor
Speaker 1: Ragnarok than Black Panther. Interesting. Cool Yeah, cool, that's great,
Speaker 1: and they were caught up. And that's eighteen movies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so far, that's been six movies for each phase. And
Speaker 1: we're not out of this phase yet. We have a
Speaker 1: couple more to go. We have the Avengers coming out,
Speaker 1: and then and then in the Wasps later this year,
Speaker 1: and then next year Captain Marvel and then Avengers four,
Speaker 1: all still technical where everybody is dead that didn't die
Speaker 1: in the first one. Let's even um even be just
Speaker 1: fully transparent to why, because people might be wondering, Well,
Speaker 1: it seems like all of these phases are capped off
Speaker 1: by Avengers movie. The reason it's still within the same
Speaker 1: phases because originally, uh, the two Avengers movie were called
Speaker 1: Infinity Wars Part one and two, and then somewhere along
Speaker 1: the line they chose to change the titles. And I
Speaker 1: feel it has to do with what happens in this one.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, and they won't reveal the title
Speaker 1: until after Infinity War, which means it'll be in the movie.
Speaker 1: It's apocalypse. It's this great, well probably not because of
Speaker 1: the X Men, but it's great. Here's what's going to
Speaker 1: happen on this podcast jokes. I'm going to correct it
Speaker 1: because do it. Yeah, I'll be like, well, it's but
Speaker 1: let's talk. Let's talk because I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw my hail Mary fan theory of what's going to
Speaker 1: happen because we can't talk about Marvel. Uh. By the way,
Speaker 1: these I just want to say that these are just
Speaker 1: us speculating. We haven't read any of the scripts. We
Speaker 1: don't know anything. So if you are really bothered by
Speaker 1: people specul lady, you might want to turn the volume down.
Speaker 1: But also we're just nerds that are geeking out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and this is the point to speculate. The movie's
Speaker 1: dropping this week. You'll I'm going to speculate what might happen,
Speaker 1: but it's impossible for me to spoil it before you speculate,
Speaker 1: and I want you to. I would like to share
Speaker 1: one thing in case there are listeners that are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't even speculate, because it might if you guess
Speaker 1: it right, you might ruin the movie. I'll be thinking
Speaker 1: about it. I do want to say this. I have
Speaker 1: a buddy who told me that he has a friend
Speaker 1: that worked on special effects in the film and that
Speaker 1: this friend said, nobody has guessed this one thing, and
Speaker 1: he has been on the internet looking up and down
Speaker 1: of like, you know this one kind of plot point.
Speaker 1: He's like, nobody's gotten it right. And that made me
Speaker 1: feel so good of like, Okay, there's gonna be real
Speaker 1: surprises in this thing. Woman's going to show up. Nobody
Speaker 1: has guessed across over. So let's take a second and
Speaker 1: zoom out of you know, Marvel Studios. Marvel Studios is
Speaker 1: owned by Disney at this point. It was recently huge
Speaker 1: acquisition by Disney and merger and they just got Fox right. Oh,
Speaker 1: as far as I know that that deal is like
Speaker 1: finalizing or in discussion, but it hasn't been final it
Speaker 1: hasn't beneficial, yes, correct, So that being said, yeah, since
Speaker 1: they know this, Yeah, I was going to say, before
Speaker 1: we go into like what we think might happen with
Speaker 1: Infinity War, did you want to tackle the history of
Speaker 1: everything first? And then at the very time the listeners
Speaker 1: on the edge of their seat and I like it,
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to wait and we will jump into
Speaker 1: it right after the break, and we're back here with
Speaker 1: Hector Navarro and if you my co host, we are
Speaker 1: going to tackle these films just basically the importance of them.
Speaker 1: Some cool things that us stood out for us, And yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, I know were we said we were
Speaker 1: going in chronological illied, We're going in the order of
Speaker 1: release because that just makes thing simpler, cleaner, and just
Speaker 1: with the story that we're telling about maybe some of
Speaker 1: the behind the scenes stuff, it helps put us in
Speaker 1: the mindset of like, Okay, it's two thousand six, or
Speaker 1: it's two th eight, got it. So with that being said,
Speaker 1: it's two thousand eight, Iron Man comes out, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it was interesting because if I'm remembering myself correctly,
Speaker 1: no one thought this was going to lead into a
Speaker 1: huge cinematic universe. The way it was. It was just
Speaker 1: an iron Man movie, that's right. An iron Man had
Speaker 1: been like a blist cialist comic that had actually very
Speaker 1: bad sales at some point. It was just a risk
Speaker 1: all around. Their main man was a risk casting Robert
Speaker 1: Downey Jr. Who at the time had been in prison
Speaker 1: and he had multi run ins with the law, and
Speaker 1: like granted he was working to better himself and at
Speaker 1: this time, but that was still a huge risk for
Speaker 1: this studio to bank on him. But also a fun
Speaker 1: parallel between the actor and the character, because you know,
Speaker 1: iron Man Tony Stark is a recovering alcoholic who is
Speaker 1: a troubled, you know, person of you know, tech world celebrity.
Speaker 1: So that was kind of cool in itself. And I
Speaker 1: remember this being a big year for comebacks because I
Speaker 1: believe What Wrestler came out around this same year. And
Speaker 1: later a few months later, Robert Jenny Jr. Starred in
Speaker 1: Tropic Thunder, which got him a Best Supporting Actor nomination,
Speaker 1: and the stories on that set go that when he
Speaker 1: was on that set um he was telling Ben Stiller,
Speaker 1: Jack Black, certain people because he had filmed Iron Man,
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to be a huge star, and
Speaker 1: they're like, sure thing, Robert Downey Jr. Whatever. And then
Speaker 1: sure enough Iron Man comes out and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he is like the biggest movie star in the world
Speaker 1: right now, we should put him in more stuff to
Speaker 1: promote Tropic Thunder, And even from Tropic Thunder, I think
Speaker 1: it was an actor justin thorow that he may have
Speaker 1: been in it that he got to uh to later
Speaker 1: write Iron Man too, I think is what it was.
Speaker 1: But in any case, it was just a huge year
Speaker 1: for Robert Johnny Jr. And I remember at the time
Speaker 1: I would go to see every superhero movie, but this one.
Speaker 1: After I saw it once, I was like, I need
Speaker 1: to bring like my mom and dad to this because
Speaker 1: I did feel like this is something special. This feels
Speaker 1: the most like a Marvel comic book up to this point,
Speaker 1: even more than any of the Sam Rami Spider Man
Speaker 1: movies or more than the Fox x Men films. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this is like a this is like a Marvel comic
Speaker 1: and especially because that end credits scene was mind blowing
Speaker 1: and set the gold stance at the bar for for
Speaker 1: for what was doing? Yeah for I feel like a
Speaker 1: lot of this film kind of set up the Marvel formula,
Speaker 1: like this was kind of the blueprint for its future films.
Speaker 1: Um and in case you forgot of what happened during
Speaker 1: this so essentially Tony Stark, who was a billionaire, he
Speaker 1: builds himself a suit of armor after he's taken uh
Speaker 1: captive by a terrorist organization, and then he decides to
Speaker 1: upgrade and dawn his Iron Man's suit in order to
Speaker 1: hunt down weapons that were being sold under the table.
Speaker 1: They hired John Farrow to direct, who is still with us.
Speaker 1: Really capitalized on that with an unfinished script. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: still plays Happy Hogan in the yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: his bodyguard. Yeah. But yeah. What's what's also great about
Speaker 1: this too, is at the time we didn't know this,
Speaker 1: but they are kind of building their poster child for
Speaker 1: the Marvel Cinematic universe. Like iron Man is that dude?
Speaker 1: He's he like he welcomed Spider Man into the cinematic
Speaker 1: universe by being a part of Homecoming, and they used
Speaker 1: utilized him perfectly where he was in it, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't in it too much. He didn't take the spotlight,
Speaker 1: but he Like, it's crazy to see iron Man be
Speaker 1: such this huge important part of piece of this universe.
Speaker 1: And to think back that this was this risky movie
Speaker 1: that no one knew what to expect. We got people
Speaker 1: really excited about the Sabbath song. Yeah. Well yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like when really had like rock and Roll, they
Speaker 1: started to realize they could capitalize on that. What I
Speaker 1: wanted to say though, was also the reason why they
Speaker 1: had chosen iron Man, because remember we were like, what
Speaker 1: is this This comic isn't even doing well? Was because
Speaker 1: they had done a test study um, which we can
Speaker 1: include the link to, and kids were more interested in
Speaker 1: playing with Iron Man toys over the other Marvel characters
Speaker 1: at the time. Yeah, which I think time Captain America
Speaker 1: thor whoever they had the rights left to, because Marvel
Speaker 1: at that point was absorbing back some of the rights
Speaker 1: of these characters because they had sold out the rights
Speaker 1: to other characters like the X Men, the Fantastic Four,
Speaker 1: Spider Man, Uh, Punisher wasn't New Line, right, dared Evil
Speaker 1: was it Fox? All these characters were kind of scattered,
Speaker 1: so all they had left was, like you said, Danny,
Speaker 1: the B and C list level characters. The funny thing
Speaker 1: is that within the fictional universe of Marvel, within that world,
Speaker 1: the Avengers are like the best the the Avengers are
Speaker 1: the characters that every everybody else in the world looks
Speaker 1: up to. Captain America is like the Patriarch, He's like
Speaker 1: the North Star, right Tony Stark, iron Man Chain ages
Speaker 1: the world, Thor as this incredible heroic god the characters
Speaker 1: like the X Men and Spider Man look up to
Speaker 1: because they're more like the outcasts. So I think it's
Speaker 1: so fascinating that all of those characters didn't get movies.
Speaker 1: At one point, Tom Cruise was rumored to be doing
Speaker 1: an Iron Man at Paramount, like he was going to
Speaker 1: be Tony Stark. They even started kind of drawing Tony
Speaker 1: Stark to look like Tom Cruise and some of the
Speaker 1: comics because they kind of knew, like it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: Paramount's gonna be and then it didn't happen. But um,
Speaker 1: I think it's so funny and so perfect that the
Speaker 1: Marvel Cinematic universe, this whole franchise still treated those characters
Speaker 1: like the sort of big shots that they were, that
Speaker 1: they were the foundations of this world, because that's how
Speaker 1: they work. In the comics, it's they have similar relationships
Speaker 1: where Spider Man is this younger guy who looks up
Speaker 1: to characters like Captain America and actually doesn't think he's
Speaker 1: sillier goofy, but thinks like, yeah, this guy was a
Speaker 1: hero back in the day. So when they had the
Speaker 1: rights to all these characters left, they looked at it
Speaker 1: and they went, we we have the Avengers technically, so
Speaker 1: we can either do an Avengers movie or we can
Speaker 1: do an Iron Man movie. See how that does Captain
Speaker 1: and America movie a form and then kind of build
Speaker 1: up to it, and if we do a good enough job,
Speaker 1: we can convince the public audience the same way Marvel
Speaker 1: readers of comics get it that when you watch a
Speaker 1: story from this world, Tony Stark is a big deal.
Speaker 1: Captain America is a big deal. Thor is a big deal.
Speaker 1: The Avengers are you know, they're bomp bomp bottom. They're
Speaker 1: the big show. And every other team and every other
Speaker 1: character is just kind of like they're kind of doing
Speaker 1: their own thing and they're almost in the fringes so
Speaker 1: and especially the way that they ended up treating later
Speaker 1: Captain America. And they do not think he's a joke.
Speaker 1: They're like, this is earnestly just such a good guy
Speaker 1: that yeah, we're telling you how good he is. We're
Speaker 1: showing you how good he is. We're telling you that
Speaker 1: every character thinks and knows this guy is the best,
Speaker 1: which just helps the world. It builds it up. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have aunt Man scoffing at Captain America. He's like,
Speaker 1: you're Captain America. Oh my god, Hi, it's great to
Speaker 1: meet you, you you know, And it's like when you hear
Speaker 1: characters say that the audience goes, oh, yeah, that's Captain America.
Speaker 1: What a big deal. And and to touch on what
Speaker 1: will be a constant theme throughout this con sation is
Speaker 1: and that's the strength and the foundation in the Marvel
Speaker 1: movies is they let their superheroes be superheroes. You could
Speaker 1: tell there's a general passion for just comics and who
Speaker 1: they are and in a later episode, Uh, you broke.
Speaker 1: Your boys are gonna at me for this, but DC
Speaker 1: just that that is I think the overwhelming problem with
Speaker 1: their movies is it feels like the people who are
Speaker 1: making them are like, we gotta make them cool. You
Speaker 1: don't have to make that. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I think the reason that the Dark Knight trilogy was
Speaker 1: so successful is that Norton got in there and was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: he's a detective. Let's zero in on that. Let's make
Speaker 1: a a detective. Yeah, Nolan, what did I say? Said
Speaker 1: Edward Norton. No, I think you're right. I think I
Speaker 1: think it's tough to like, especially with characters like this
Speaker 1: are larger than life. You get that temptation to go, well,
Speaker 1: how do we sell this to an adult audience. Let's
Speaker 1: make it very complex and interesting and challenging. You don't
Speaker 1: necessarily have to do that with characters that are that
Speaker 1: are like this for kids, characters like Superman and Captain
Speaker 1: America and Thor you know what I mean. Like they're like,
Speaker 1: you just gotta treat them like dudes, do go into
Speaker 1: our improv brains. You just gotta make your base reality.
Speaker 1: Stop trying to take their world and put it in
Speaker 1: our world. Making the base reality and build on that. Simple.
Speaker 1: But let's jump over to an incredible hole. They started.
Speaker 1: He started doing it two months later. That was a
Speaker 1: fun time. So what do you consider this? I really
Speaker 1: like this movie, but it is not the same as
Speaker 1: the rest of them. When these first two movies came out,
Speaker 1: iron Man in The Incredible Hulk, I was like, I
Speaker 1: was like, they're both the same quality. They're kind of not.
Speaker 1: But to me, it feels like everything that the Iron
Speaker 1: Man movies doing for Iron Man treating him like a
Speaker 1: great character having fun, because that character is fun. He's
Speaker 1: in the beginning, he's sleeping around, he's you know, and
Speaker 1: at the end him and him and Gwyneth Paltrow start dating,
Speaker 1: and so he's such a likable guy and he gets
Speaker 1: to have that fun. Meanwhile, Edward Norton, who I think
Speaker 1: that a really good job is Bruce Banner. He cannot
Speaker 1: even have sex with his girlfriend because if he does,
Speaker 1: he'll turn into the Hulk. Like so it's not fun
Speaker 1: to watch Bruce like suffer, like he's suffering through this,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? It's that doesn't have
Speaker 1: that same escapismus want to Hulk, so you know, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe Bruce in the Streets and the Hulk, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't get that fun until Josh Weeden was like,
Speaker 1: let me try this, and then he did the Hulk
Speaker 1: Mark Ruffalo in The Avengers, which was the most like
Speaker 1: like escapism sort of relief in such a fun moment
Speaker 1: when he's like, it's my secret cup, I'm always angry
Speaker 1: and held right there. It's so fun, We'll see fun.
Speaker 1: I feel like this was a problem that even in
Speaker 1: the comics Hulk Cat where they just made Bruce Banner
Speaker 1: so depressing because if he was just yeah, he's this
Speaker 1: guy who has this curse and he can't fix this curse,
Speaker 1: and he's supposed to be super smart but he can't
Speaker 1: put the problems together, but he never It really is
Speaker 1: like the reason I feel Mark rough kind of took
Speaker 1: a turn on it is the problem with a lot
Speaker 1: of these bruces. They never just tried to embrace it.
Speaker 1: They just always tried to fight it right, and then
Speaker 1: it was an undending cycle because the colt can't be
Speaker 1: beat even by the Hulk himself. Absolutely, And at least
Speaker 1: in that old seventies show Incredible Hulk with Bill Bixby
Speaker 1: and Lufer Rigno, Bill Bixby's David Banner, he was still
Speaker 1: helping people every week. That was another difference. You know,
Speaker 1: yes he did he had a monster, but like a
Speaker 1: little kid would show up and be like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm being abused in my foster family whatever, and then
Speaker 1: Banner would help that kid and and so so I
Speaker 1: think that the Avengers got it right because it showed
Speaker 1: us a Bruce that was like I was in Calcutta,
Speaker 1: I was helping people. I was fine, and then you
Speaker 1: shield people pulled me in and did this and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. But um, but back to the Incredible Hulk movie,
Speaker 1: like it's it's I think it's not as bad as people. Remember.
Speaker 1: I just get white whatever c G I or whatever
Speaker 1: you call it doesn't hold up. Some shots do when
Speaker 1: it's like real far away and Hulks just running in
Speaker 1: the distance like next to a jeep. I'm like, that's
Speaker 1: a real Hulk, but it's some of it doesn't hold up.
Speaker 1: You're right, and I also think it's not the fun.
Speaker 1: I get why it's not Pople's favorite character. Yet it's
Speaker 1: not there yet. But again, you go back two months earlier.
Speaker 1: The successive Iron Man meant that they moved a post
Speaker 1: credit scene and you could tell it was a post
Speaker 1: credit scene to the end of that movie to show
Speaker 1: us Tony Stark showing up. And that was a huge
Speaker 1: thing about The Incredible Hulk is that Tony was. They
Speaker 1: were really planting the seeds of We're crossing over, and
Speaker 1: they were putting at in the commerce and the TV commercials, Danny.
Speaker 1: They were showing us like Tony Stark in The Incredible
Speaker 1: Hulk this weekend, and people were like, because it was
Speaker 1: in the TV commercials and only in their first second
Speaker 1: at the end, but still so we had Stanley's cameo
Speaker 1: in there as well. Did we have one in an
Speaker 1: Iron Man the first Iron Man movie. I believe he's
Speaker 1: mistaken for Larry King. Oh that one. Yeah, because an
Speaker 1: Iron Man too. It's he half turns around or maybe
Speaker 1: I'm getting no swap. Maybe he's Larry King and Iron
Speaker 1: Man too, and he's half and whatever. But we are
Speaker 1: the Hulk. He's drinking the soda and it drops. He
Speaker 1: goes wow. Speaking speaking of Iron Man too, we are
Speaker 1: moving on to Need ten. It is set six months
Speaker 1: after Iron Man. Yeah, yeah, this was This was the
Speaker 1: golden ages of Marvel movies when you got a sequel next.
Speaker 1: You know, now you enjoy movie and your sequel. You've
Speaker 1: got three movies in front of your movie. Ye. Same
Speaker 1: with Marvel, Netflix like everyone out five other series and
Speaker 1: then you get your sequel. Yeah, I remember before Jessica Jones,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh what we gotta wait for what?
Speaker 1: You know? It's true, Like they have not announced the
Speaker 1: release date for Black Panther two yet. Oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: what what date is it coming in here? We don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's going to be a movie that's
Speaker 1: going to be bumped up to whatever they have on
Speaker 1: the drawing board, like the moment it beat Titanic, they're like, yet,
Speaker 1: let's okay. So we had Fabri returning as director, um
Speaker 1: and uh oh. This might have been around the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and two thousand or around the time that Disney had
Speaker 1: bought Marvel was the year before. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: first like post, you know, and I forget, I can't
Speaker 1: even remember that world before they were all connected, the
Speaker 1: Marvel Star Wars Disney like Trinity thing. It was back
Speaker 1: in the day. It was all going to be at paramount,
Speaker 1: like paramount, except for the Hulk, which still had to
Speaker 1: deal with Universal, but they were all going to be
Speaker 1: paramount movies. And I think they still were paramount up
Speaker 1: until I think even Avengers still might have the Paramount
Speaker 1: logo on it, but then they because it's just like
Speaker 1: a distribution thing or it's you know, it's it's Hollywood deals,
Speaker 1: whatever the cases. But but Disney now owns marveled like
Speaker 1: they got it um and they'll own everything else. So
Speaker 1: I want to do a little side fact that you
Speaker 1: I believe it might have been at geakon Sundury did
Speaker 1: a Marvel movie marathon and nobody signed up for so
Speaker 1: essentially all of us hosts could sign up to watch
Speaker 1: along with the guys that heroes, which is what Hector
Speaker 1: does with Augustine Rio's and Adam Lavic to show that
Speaker 1: they had and they and all of us hosts could
Speaker 1: like sign up, and nobody signed up for Iron Man too,
Speaker 1: So I had to come in for Iron Man too,
Speaker 1: which I didn't hate. It's an again. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a movie as bad as people say. It's just
Speaker 1: not as good as there was a parrot there other stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to make your work again, wrestler. I love
Speaker 1: justin Sam Rockwell. I love Sam Rockwell. That race car
Speaker 1: scene was great, but it's it's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: failure of a movie. It's all over the place. Feel
Speaker 1: the same now when you look at it's not as cohesive.
Speaker 1: But what I have been observing is that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are doing these sort of recaps as Infinity
Speaker 1: War comes out, and people when they're revisiting Iron Man too,
Speaker 1: they're like, even when Marvel failed, it's still a success,
Speaker 1: Like it's still fine, It's still moves some of the
Speaker 1: characters forward. We get to we get introduced to Black Widow,
Speaker 1: Natasha Romanov, Scarlett Johansson's in the mix, you know, we
Speaker 1: get a little bit more Nick Fury, we get more
Speaker 1: of the father son's stuff between Tony and his dad Howard,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean it's it's not great, but um,
Speaker 1: you know there's some good make your work lines in there. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just love Sam Rockwell. It always does it for me.
Speaker 1: I would rather watch iron Man too than Thor Too,
Speaker 1: which we'll get too. So yeah. Well, speaking of which, yeah,
Speaker 1: next movie is Thorn two thousand and eleven. And this
Speaker 1: was Man. This is when I knew Marvel could do it,
Speaker 1: because I knew Iron Man was a superhero. But I
Speaker 1: was like, people can get iron Man, people can get
Speaker 1: Iron Man, people could get the Hulk, but how are
Speaker 1: they going to get this as guardian God to fit
Speaker 1: on the silver screen with all these people and get
Speaker 1: people to still believe that everything isn't crazy. I think
Speaker 1: in addition to that test with the kids preferring iron
Speaker 1: Man versus other characters, I think another reason is when
Speaker 1: Marvel looked at their character's iron Man Captain America Thorne,
Speaker 1: the easiest cell is iron Man. It's the easiest one
Speaker 1: because Captain America is like, Okay, he's this dude fights
Speaker 1: in World War Two, he fights Nazis, he is a shield,
Speaker 1: he's dressed in red, white and blue. His name is
Speaker 1: Captain America. That's that's a tough sell. Thor is another
Speaker 1: tough sell. It's like Thor, the Viking god of Thunder.
Speaker 1: He is from Norse mythology. His brother's Loki. His brother's
Speaker 1: evil but kind of not his father's Odin. He comes
Speaker 1: to earth. He's a superhero. He's got you know. It's
Speaker 1: like we also adventures in babysitting and how Thor was
Speaker 1: portrayed there by Vincent Dinofrio kind of and that little
Speaker 1: kid that worshiped the Or. And so it's like it's
Speaker 1: a tough sale because it's so out there. How are
Speaker 1: you going to do a rainbow bridge? And then they
Speaker 1: made it look cool. The by frost look dope when
Speaker 1: they're riding on it with horses, it's cool. Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And then you had just to dip into two thousand
Speaker 1: eleven himsl That was that was a controversy because they
Speaker 1: had our man. This This was early Idris. This is
Speaker 1: fresh off the wire Atris. People who haven't had idrismania
Speaker 1: now I think I even think the people who were
Speaker 1: mad now think they're stupid for being mad about Idris
Speaker 1: being hiped out has the crown. Now. This is early Adris.
Speaker 1: He was himed off and white people were very mad
Speaker 1: about it because there there is a thing with Viking mythology,
Speaker 1: also Viking imagery. It's very synonymous with white supremacy. It
Speaker 1: is very much so like grabbed some of that, so
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful with Yeah. So it was a
Speaker 1: smart move on Marvel to be like, let's diversify this,
Speaker 1: but also going to make people mad because you know,
Speaker 1: even if people aren't, you know, looking to it for
Speaker 1: the white supremacy side, people have this like comic book Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't understand that. Oh, I get it. It's a racism.
Speaker 1: It is now, That's exactly what it is. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: she can't, but there's no possible way this fictional character
Speaker 1: could be any other color race, even though they're a
Speaker 1: fictional character. When even when you remind people comic book fans,
Speaker 1: dude bros like myself that are like, I love this
Speaker 1: stuff and have since I was a kid, when you
Speaker 1: remind them most of these characters were created sixties earlier
Speaker 1: by white dudes, and that was the audience, and that
Speaker 1: things like characters like Black Panther and then you know,
Speaker 1: ten fifteen years later Luke Cage in the seventies, and
Speaker 1: then you know, years later, these characters were the exception
Speaker 1: to the norm um. These books and these casts of
Speaker 1: characters were not automatically diverse. Marvel did a bunch of
Speaker 1: great stuff and other companies d C at the time.
Speaker 1: They have a lot of examples of great diversity in
Speaker 1: their past, but they still have a lot of examples
Speaker 1: where it's mostly white characters. You see things like the
Speaker 1: Flash TV show where they're like, okay, we got to
Speaker 1: cast Iris as a black woman, will make her whole
Speaker 1: family like a black family, to have that diversity, to
Speaker 1: have the representation, because most of these characters in their
Speaker 1: longevity there from the sixties or earlier. And when you
Speaker 1: explain that still to people, they still take it as
Speaker 1: well that stuff should still kind of work today. It's
Speaker 1: like it does not. It does not represent the world,
Speaker 1: is not current world, absolutely so I think Marvel knew that.
Speaker 1: And even from Iron Man one, they're like, well, we
Speaker 1: have to have Jim Rhodes and it was played by
Speaker 1: actor Terrence Howard in that first Iron Man movie and
Speaker 1: then he was recast. But still it's like with each
Speaker 1: of these movies will have a core cast of like
Speaker 1: four or five people and it will be as kind
Speaker 1: of diverse as we can make it. You know, Natalie
Speaker 1: Portman's Jane Foster was one of the main characters in
Speaker 1: Thor and with Thor, that character, that actor was kind
Speaker 1: of unknown at the time. Chris Hemsworth was coming off
Speaker 1: of like, oh, he played the dad in Star Trek
Speaker 1: two years before for two seconds and then died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he had the Hemsworth name behind. But it's a
Speaker 1: name now, it's I mean, he owns he it now.
Speaker 1: He had because his brother with the Games was like
Speaker 1: moving up, like I'm the best Hunt and Chris was like, no, no,
Speaker 1: not watch this, give me this hammer. So like you know,
Speaker 1: these Marvel movies. And then we get to when we
Speaker 1: get to Captain America's set in World War Two, and
Speaker 1: there still took a troop of Allied soldiers fighting in
Speaker 1: the European Theater of War. And you still see a
Speaker 1: French person, a British person, a black soldier, the character
Speaker 1: Gabe Jones, you see even an Asian guy and somebody
Speaker 1: calls him out. In that movie, Neil mcdonna's character dumped
Speaker 1: them dugins like oh, we're taking everybody now, because that's
Speaker 1: historically you know, that's a nice way to put what
Speaker 1: he how he probably would have reacted when he saw
Speaker 1: an Asian guy and the guy, you know, Jim Maritas,
Speaker 1: the character he grabs his dog tags and he goes, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm from Fresno Ace. Because they cause they still need
Speaker 1: to have that kind of representation and to show different
Speaker 1: types of characters. Peggy Carter was like a high ranking
Speaker 1: soldier in like you know, the U S. Army, and
Speaker 1: she's like a British woman, you know so so, and
Speaker 1: then that all that did, I think was allow them
Speaker 1: to get to a point where when we zip forward
Speaker 1: to Spider Man Homecoming, Spider Man is played is Peter Parker,
Speaker 1: and he's played by Tom Holland. And Peter Parker and
Speaker 1: his aunt may are white characters, but his school that
Speaker 1: he goes to is like the most diverse high school
Speaker 1: I've seen. It been a big black Paster movie. It's
Speaker 1: the most realistic portrayal on the screen. Absolutely. That's why
Speaker 1: it fell on Death Bears when people would get mad
Speaker 1: when Donald Glover said Spider Man could be black and
Speaker 1: all this, like he lives in New York, he lives
Speaker 1: in Queens and predominantly black neighborhood, Like you're dumb. You're
Speaker 1: dumb if you think anything. Besides, there should be more
Speaker 1: people of color in this world, so do just knock
Speaker 1: out thor Um. In this movie, Thor, the crown Prince
Speaker 1: of Asgard, has banished to Earth and a stript of
Speaker 1: his powered after he reignites a dormant war. As his
Speaker 1: brother Loki Platza take the throne for himself, Thor must
Speaker 1: prove himself worthy and reclaim the hammerd more year. This
Speaker 1: is a big moment because Loki becomes a power player
Speaker 1: within Avengers and without really yeah, it starts to become
Speaker 1: people's favorite villain. I feel like. And it was after
Speaker 1: watching like an early cut of Thor that Josh Weeden said, oh,
Speaker 1: he's going to be the bad guy in Avengers, because
Speaker 1: at the time Marvel had the plan that Loki was
Speaker 1: going to team up with Red Skull, the villain from
Speaker 1: Captain America, who we see at the end kind of
Speaker 1: disintegrate and we don't know what happens to be the
Speaker 1: bad guys of Avengers because they're like, well, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have we need two bad guys for six good guys,
Speaker 1: and Whedon was like, no, no, no, it can just
Speaker 1: be Loki because Tom Hidlson did such a good job
Speaker 1: and he was right. Yeah, he was right. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't actually had directed the post credit scene for this,
Speaker 1: so Kenneth Brauner had directed Thor and then Joss Sweden directed, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the post credit scene. One other thing is we got
Speaker 1: hawk eyes and another note where he's a Renner when
Speaker 1: he goes to fire an arrow but then does it.
Speaker 1: But it was such a cute like wink to the
Speaker 1: audience where it's like, yeah, you want this, you gotta
Speaker 1: wait for the next one. Yeah, I mean the shield
Speaker 1: put this away. I think the way they shot that,
Speaker 1: that may have been one of the last things they shot.
Speaker 1: It almost feels like because he's just up in a
Speaker 1: little cream as the action in the movie's happening, and
Speaker 1: he's like you call it, call it Chief, you know,
Speaker 1: call it Colson. I'm gonna hit him. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like they could have they filmed that on a set
Speaker 1: on a great screen. Doesn't matter because I think they
Speaker 1: were working out the negotiations of casting trailer knowing it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: we need you to be a Camy in this movie,
Speaker 1: but really be in Avengers, which don't let me forget
Speaker 1: that we need to talk about how he's not really
Speaker 1: around right now. Oh yeah, we'll get into that when
Speaker 1: we get closer to uh to our Infinity War coverage.
Speaker 1: But moving on, I was gonna say up next. Ye.
Speaker 1: This is the movie that made me that really solidified
Speaker 1: my love for the m c U. This is when
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm in un locked in baby, because
Speaker 1: I've always been a big Captain America fans since Civil War.
Speaker 1: That's when I was sold on. Captain America was always
Speaker 1: the comics. Yeah, since Civil War. In the comics, like
Speaker 1: I would see Captain America and I'll be like, all right,
Speaker 1: he's too cheesy. But to see him really and up
Speaker 1: for what he believes in in the Civil War crossover event,
Speaker 1: that's when I was like, this is my guy. And
Speaker 1: then it just got real cool because then Bucky got
Speaker 1: involved in it was just very like Steve Rogers, Like
Speaker 1: I was a Captain America fans, so when this movie
Speaker 1: came out, I didn't know what they're gonna do, and
Speaker 1: then when I saw what they did, it was great. Also,
Speaker 1: this is the first movie to have Avenger in the title,
Speaker 1: So this is this movie launched type level to the
Speaker 1: max because it's called Captain America the first Avenger, which
Speaker 1: is I think a double entendre in a way because
Speaker 1: it's like the first Avenger to exist, but also the
Speaker 1: first guy, the first first first. I totally agree with
Speaker 1: you if that I had such a hard time connecting
Speaker 1: with characters that are like Captain America or Superman. I
Speaker 1: know people don't like comparing them, but or I would
Speaker 1: go as far as say Goku anyone that's kind of
Speaker 1: like this. I don't want to say pure hearted. I
Speaker 1: mean Goku is purehearted. But but these good characters, good
Speaker 1: characters I have a really hard time connecting because I
Speaker 1: think that they're corny and and the comics, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I've always I like Tony, I like the Billionaire Alcoholics UM.
Speaker 1: But but it was really interesting Tomorrow Brooks, who's a writer,
Speaker 1: she's worked on UM a bunch of things, and she's
Speaker 1: she does a lot of the stuff at Luke Crate.
Speaker 1: But she once I was on a panel with her
Speaker 1: and she said, that's our problem is our inability to
Speaker 1: either write or connect to kind characters like that us,
Speaker 1: like you were saying, as cynical people. Either. Sometimes people
Speaker 1: will get you know, they'll be writing for these characters,
Speaker 1: and they have a hard time showing them as anything
Speaker 1: other than one dimensional, which is other than good and
Speaker 1: pure um. And that we also as readers have a
Speaker 1: hard time connecting to them because we can't fathom a
Speaker 1: world where you would act like that or where you
Speaker 1: would be like that. You had challenge. It is definitely
Speaker 1: a challenge and and so it's a testament to this.
Speaker 1: The producers in the makers of this film, of this
Speaker 1: franchise that they were like, we cannot try to change
Speaker 1: his character too much to try to get him to
Speaker 1: fit towards modern audiences, because they knew they're like for
Speaker 1: this thing to work, for the Avengers to work. If
Speaker 1: if Captain America is a part of the Avengers, if
Speaker 1: Captain America is going to be running around with characters
Speaker 1: like Iron Man and later like we'll see you know,
Speaker 1: doctor Strange and the Guardians of the Galaxy and those
Speaker 1: characters do cool shit, like they're super cool. Right, how
Speaker 1: do we make like what's cool about Captain America? What's
Speaker 1: cool about him? As if he starts as this skinny kid,
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to kill anybody, He just hates bullies.
Speaker 1: He doesn't care where they're from. And if you think
Speaker 1: that's a dumb idea, like, then this character is not
Speaker 1: for you, because he will still fight for what's right.
Speaker 1: He will still save your life whether you think he's
Speaker 1: cheesy or not, you know. And and there's a there's
Speaker 1: a couple of instances where this character had to prove
Speaker 1: himself in the world and to us, and now he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to anywhere. Now he's showing up with a
Speaker 1: beard and long hair, and we like, have you've been buddy?
Speaker 1: You know. But but back then it was like the
Speaker 1: moment that happens in The Avengers is when he's wearing
Speaker 1: that silly costume and he drops down on the cars
Speaker 1: like I need to set up a perimeter as far
Speaker 1: back as in the cops, like why should I listen
Speaker 1: to you? And then aliens show up and he just
Speaker 1: kicks a crap out of him and then turns around
Speaker 1: on the cops like we're gonna need a perimeter back
Speaker 1: from you know. It's it's again. It's the movie telling
Speaker 1: the audience like that you can listen to this guy.
Speaker 1: He he is inspiring, he will inspire you. And in
Speaker 1: Captain America, my favorite moment might be when he's little skinny,
Speaker 1: Steve he's ninety eight pounds, and Tommy Lee Jones throws
Speaker 1: a grenade, And what a great idea to cast Tommy
Speaker 1: Lee Jones as the cynic who he gets one over
Speaker 1: by Steve Rogers. You know what I mean? That's how
Speaker 1: like again, that's just Tommy Lee Jones telling the audience like,
Speaker 1: this guy is a real deal. You're gonna listen to.
Speaker 1: You're gonna listen to Agent k Right. It's a good
Speaker 1: judge of character. So when he throws that fake grenade
Speaker 1: and Steve Rogers jumps on it, get back, get back,
Speaker 1: and he thinks it's gonna explode, and he thinks he's
Speaker 1: going to die and he's just saving a few lives
Speaker 1: in like a training camp. You know, it's like that moment.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's this That is the same character when
Speaker 1: you track him from two thousand eleven to two thousand eighteen,
Speaker 1: seven years of Chris Evan's playing this character, that's essentially
Speaker 1: the same character. Today he's gonna stand up against Fanos.
Speaker 1: That's the grenade, when he's skinny, it's the same thing.
Speaker 1: So they were so smart to have moments like that
Speaker 1: and Captain America the First Adventure, I think up to
Speaker 1: this point is the most romantic Marvel movie between him
Speaker 1: and Peggy. So I know that a lot of female
Speaker 1: audiences around the world really appreciated that they actually took
Speaker 1: time to do that. And because again at the end,
Speaker 1: when he sacrifices himself, that should be a moment. And
Speaker 1: when you see Peggy Carter crying because they had a date.
Speaker 1: And he's this character who's a good character, but not
Speaker 1: everything's gonna go his way. Steve does not have an
Speaker 1: easy life, and that's another thing that makes you root
Speaker 1: for him. It's like, man, yeah, he is such a great,
Speaker 1: great guy, but look what he has to do in
Speaker 1: Civil War, the comic book, Look what he has to
Speaker 1: do and Captain America the first Avenger. He sacrifices himself.
Speaker 1: He wakes up in the future. Nick Fury says, you
Speaker 1: know you okay, Cap, and he goes, yeah, I had
Speaker 1: a date, and you're just heartbroken. But he's still going
Speaker 1: to keep doing what he's doing. And if you can
Speaker 1: get behind that guy, if you can have Sebastian Stands
Speaker 1: character Bucky Barnes say, I'm not following this big beefy
Speaker 1: guy I'm following the kid from Brooklyn. That's who I'm following,
Speaker 1: you know that, Skinny Kid. And then later he meets
Speaker 1: Spider Man in Captain America Civil War and he's like,
Speaker 1: where you from, kid, And he's like Queens and he's
Speaker 1: like Brooklyn, Like it's that. You know that same moment,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's They just did such a good job
Speaker 1: of treating his character with respect that made everybody fall
Speaker 1: in love with him. And then we're ready for the Avengers. Man.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. Just to recap for those who weren't lapped
Speaker 1: up and enthralled in Hector's wonderful speech, I love Steve.
Speaker 1: He's one of my guys. It's his it's his origin story.
Speaker 1: It starts in present day they find this frozen body,
Speaker 1: then they smashed cuts to the past World War two,
Speaker 1: pretty much what what Hector said. Skinny Kid wants to
Speaker 1: be a Great Soldier, gets put in the Super Soldier program,
Speaker 1: Great kicks uh Red Skull into flames, he disintegrates and
Speaker 1: smash into the Avengers, which, oh boy, this was this
Speaker 1: was it. This is what we've all been waiting for.
Speaker 1: It is and we will get to it right after
Speaker 1: the break and we're back. How is it going everyone?
Speaker 1: I hope you like that wonderful ad? Who knews what
Speaker 1: it was for? Maybe one of our wonderful house stuff
Speaker 1: work shows, or I wonder if it was for the
Speaker 1: lamb skin condoms that I think we're going to start
Speaker 1: excited to get a pack of them so I can
Speaker 1: try them out. Yeah. Across from me Isez and with
Speaker 1: us is Hector Navarro and we're going through the Marvel
Speaker 1: Cinematic universe, you know, giving you the quick smash cut
Speaker 1: course and you know, getting into some speculation after Wait, so,
Speaker 1: um they have an event? Are you doing it? I
Speaker 1: know each year like Nurdics has the marathon. Is it
Speaker 1: twenty four hours? Now? It must be like it's like
Speaker 1: I think I think, I don't know, they haven't put
Speaker 1: out what movies if they're going to be all of them,
Speaker 1: But it's like I think there was all of them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's like a two day event. Well, anyways,
Speaker 1: we're giving you the crash course of just you know,
Speaker 1: some important things for Remember, we're not doing a full
Speaker 1: recap of each thing, just like things that stood out
Speaker 1: for us as we move along the way. To save
Speaker 1: you from a two day marathon, unless you want to
Speaker 1: do that, because more power to you. Yeah. So now
Speaker 1: we're in The Avengers, which it was great because you know,
Speaker 1: we saw Loki not too long ago. We know about
Speaker 1: the Tests Iract, we don't we don't the Tests Irect
Speaker 1: is this glowing blue cube of energy. We know it
Speaker 1: has immense power. The Nazis wanted it, Loki wanted it,
Speaker 1: but at this point we don't know it's an Infinity Stone.
Speaker 1: We don't. You know, there's speculation. The hardcore fans are
Speaker 1: kind of like poking at that, but the you know,
Speaker 1: to really make the Infinity Stone, guess valid, you need
Speaker 1: a second one. And we get to that later. But
Speaker 1: right now there's the Tests Iract. The Tests React, which
Speaker 1: is the fancy word for in the comic books, was
Speaker 1: called the Cosmic Cube, which yea, was just that weapon
Speaker 1: that the Red Skull used the enemy of Captain America.
Speaker 1: And we get to The Avengers and like you said,
Speaker 1: we saw Loki and if you stayed past the credits
Speaker 1: at the end of Thorpe, we even see Loki alive,
Speaker 1: so we know he didn't die and drop in that
Speaker 1: you know, expanse when Anthony Hopkins Odin was like, no, Loki,
Speaker 1: and then he just let go because he was sad
Speaker 1: because his dad yelled at him. But um, the Avengers,
Speaker 1: you guys, I mean, we all remember what it was
Speaker 1: like when that movie came out. It's it really did
Speaker 1: change the world to change blockbusters that had the biggest
Speaker 1: highest like opening weekend ever for that first weekend, made
Speaker 1: over two million dollars in that on the first three
Speaker 1: days and went on to become the third highest grossing
Speaker 1: film at the time, which is nuts and I love
Speaker 1: The Avengers. Avengers is again so simple. It's just about
Speaker 1: the characters teaming up. Tony Stark, iron Man, is doing
Speaker 1: his homework and he's learning about Steve Rogers, Captain America,
Speaker 1: who has been thought out and Nick Fury's you know,
Speaker 1: recruiting him. They're learning about Bruce Banner Hulk now played
Speaker 1: by Mark Ruffalo. They're learning about Natasha Romanov Black Widow,
Speaker 1: Clint Barton Hawkeye, the two Shield agents that are going
Speaker 1: to help this team, and um, the last person on
Speaker 1: the team after they go in get Loki is Thor.
Speaker 1: He shows up to try to get his brother back, right,
Speaker 1: So we're getting this crossover and they spend two hours
Speaker 1: building up these characters various interactions. The Hulk freaks out
Speaker 1: on the shield Hell carrier, on their headquarters, the Hulk
Speaker 1: freaks out, the team disbands, but all it is is
Speaker 1: leading up to, like seriously, two hours into the movie,
Speaker 1: like a two and a half hour, two hour, forty
Speaker 1: minute movie of the Avengers just assembling for the first time.
Speaker 1: Because when you get that shot, when Bruce Banner finally
Speaker 1: shows up, he says, that's my secret cap. I'm always
Speaker 1: angry and he hulkes out after you know, Iron Man says,
Speaker 1: tell him to suit up. You know, these characters are
Speaker 1: just standing next to each other as the camera does
Speaker 1: that three sixty and it has become an iconic shot.
Speaker 1: And that's the entire point of this movie. They beat
Speaker 1: up the bad guys, Hulk hulks out, Hulk smashes people
Speaker 1: wants him to do. That's what they don't realize in
Speaker 1: the other films, is that is what Hulk does. He smashes,
Speaker 1: and you gotta let Hulk do his thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and and a great moment for Tony Stark
Speaker 1: because he tries to sacrifice himself. He's willing to right
Speaker 1: after this whole movie, arguing with Steve Rogers. He's Steve
Speaker 1: Rogers is like, I don't think you'd be willing to
Speaker 1: lay down on the wire to let the other guy
Speaker 1: crawl over you. Tony Starks like I think I would
Speaker 1: just cut the wire. Like he just can't like reason
Speaker 1: with this very heroic man, Steve Rogers that at the end,
Speaker 1: he sacrifices himself. He takes this in nuke and he
Speaker 1: sends it up into this alien portal floating above New
Speaker 1: York City and he sees these the alien ships that
Speaker 1: will see later later later, but comes back to Earth
Speaker 1: barely makes it back alive and um and yeah, so
Speaker 1: just great moments for that character especially. And the craziest
Speaker 1: thing is at the end of this movie, you guys,
Speaker 1: a little bit into the credits, we see Fanos the
Speaker 1: Mad Titan, this character from Marvel Comics, very obscure at
Speaker 1: the time. And a little fun fact. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys knew this. I was working on Avengers
Speaker 1: in post production in visual effects at the time. I
Speaker 1: was in two thousand eleven, and the day that I
Speaker 1: was just working on shots and making it into three
Speaker 1: D and doing different things, and the day that one
Speaker 1: of my co workers told me, he goes, Fanos is
Speaker 1: in this movie or like no. What he said was
Speaker 1: there's a big purple guy at the at the end
Speaker 1: of the movie. I went, huh, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: And and so he brought me over and this is all.
Speaker 1: We're not supposed to say anything, you know. And I
Speaker 1: see the shot with Thanos and I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: they're doing it. They're actually going to go for it,
Speaker 1: like this is Thanos, this is that, this is It
Speaker 1: was as big a deal as it was for Nick
Speaker 1: Fury to say I'm putting together the Avenger's Initiative initiative
Speaker 1: Avenger Initiative in two thousand exactly when you have this
Speaker 1: character say to Thanos, you know, to challenge them is
Speaker 1: to court death, and Thanos just smiles. I'm like, holy
Speaker 1: sh it, this is it. They're gonna go cosmic, They're
Speaker 1: gonna do whatever they want. It was incredible. So I'm
Speaker 1: gonna just pull back. I'm gonna do a lot of
Speaker 1: pool bags just for people. I want to pull back
Speaker 1: on two things. One I think is going to be
Speaker 1: quicker than the other. So I'll ask that first, why
Speaker 1: don't you explain to the audience who these aliens were.
Speaker 1: The aliens were faceless aliens that they just needed so
Speaker 1: that the superheroes could beat up bad guys in the movie, right,
Speaker 1: you want to get geeky with it. They were called
Speaker 1: the Jatari, which is another name for an alien race
Speaker 1: are in Marvel comics that are also known as the Scrolls,
Speaker 1: except this version of the Chatari they don't shape shift,
Speaker 1: because if you read Marvel comics, you know that the
Speaker 1: Scrolls shape shift. And heck, we're still living going to
Speaker 1: see the Scrolls later in Captain Marvel in her own movie.
Speaker 1: Those are gonna be a bad guys she's going to
Speaker 1: take on. So that's all the Chatari word, Captain March
Speaker 1: of next Year, Margin next Year, which is um Bree Larson,
Speaker 1: Bree Larson. Absolutely, yeah, So that's who they are. And
Speaker 1: then they're just working for Thanos, who is this big
Speaker 1: evil space conqueror guy who wants stuff we don't know
Speaker 1: yet but we'll learn is the Infinity Stones. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I wanna the reason I pulled back the moment you
Speaker 1: said cosmic is because for the average they don't know
Speaker 1: the They probably don't know the significance of like cosmic Marvel.
Speaker 1: So Marvel as a comic is broken up into different levels.
Speaker 1: You have your street level heroes, which is everything you're
Speaker 1: seeing on Netflix. That's your Dare Devil, your Luke Cage,
Speaker 1: your Iron Fist. Those are street level comics. Then you
Speaker 1: have your Avengers, which is kind of like the world level.
Speaker 1: And then cosmic is where you get to your Silver Surfers,
Speaker 1: your your in Humans, your turn as the Guardians of
Speaker 1: the Galaxy that everybody. Yeah. So that so we we
Speaker 1: were basically reaching the outer crust of the world of Marvel,
Speaker 1: which means we are getting everything that Marvel has to offer.
Speaker 1: So that's why it's a big deal to touch on
Speaker 1: something like Danos on a cosmic level, because when they
Speaker 1: showed up in the comics, it was a big deal. True,
Speaker 1: I did want to say. So this film, the Avengers film,
Speaker 1: development actually began when Marvel Studios received a loan from
Speaker 1: Merrill Lynch back in April two thous just so crazy
Speaker 1: because we're like, there's no way they would need a loan,
Speaker 1: But that was all a risk. It was all a risk.
Speaker 1: That's so crazy. Of the crossover itself was thought of
Speaker 1: as a risk. This thing that had worked for decades
Speaker 1: in comic books, movies, and TV shows didn't get it well.
Speaker 1: I I understand to some extent in the way that
Speaker 1: we're still seeing it now. Where it's like, in order
Speaker 1: to understand the weight of some of these films, you
Speaker 1: had to have watched some of the other ones. And
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of times they don't want to
Speaker 1: bank on a crossover because you had to watch all
Speaker 1: the other films that came before. An investment. It is
Speaker 1: an investment. But I will say with certain origin stories
Speaker 1: and definitely what we saw with Black Panthers, a lot
Speaker 1: of people were like, I don't even follow comics or
Speaker 1: I don't even follow these films, and I love it,
Speaker 1: and so then you then what you do is you
Speaker 1: capture on that audience and a new audience to now
Speaker 1: come in momentum moving momentum. It's just frustrating because if
Speaker 1: movie studios ever want to do something like a Star
Speaker 1: Wars franchise or Harry Potter, I'm sorry, but that's an investment.
Speaker 1: If you want Harry Potter to be a billion dollar franchise,
Speaker 1: away ended up being you have to put money and
Speaker 1: talent into it, and you can't just assume Okay, we're
Speaker 1: just gonna do one movie, and they were looking at
Speaker 1: it like, okay, we hope it does well. But you
Speaker 1: know that they were already planning part two as they
Speaker 1: were doing Part one of Harry Potter, and they knew.
Speaker 1: They're like, okay, there's seven books, so man if if
Speaker 1: everything works out, Fingers Crossed will have seven movies. And
Speaker 1: all that does is build and build and build and build.
Speaker 1: Movie studios need to understand if you're trying to do
Speaker 1: one of these shared universes, one of these types of things,
Speaker 1: you've gotta put in the work, which can get to
Speaker 1: a point where you can have something like a Black
Speaker 1: Panther the changes the world and gets new audiences interested
Speaker 1: in all these kinds of things. But you do kind
Speaker 1: of need to, you know. The question is like, would
Speaker 1: Black Panther or Spider Man Homecoming work if it didn't
Speaker 1: have the rest of the Marvel cinematic universe around it?
Speaker 1: With thor Ragnarok work if it didn't have the rest
Speaker 1: of the Marvel It's like, yes and no, we would.
Speaker 1: We could have had a Black Panther movie in the nineties.
Speaker 1: I would have loved it. That would have been awesome.
Speaker 1: We should have had that. We couldn't. We should have
Speaker 1: had a wonder Woman movie. And I was about to
Speaker 1: say wonder Woman, since I do think that you can
Speaker 1: watch her and not follow the comics and not follow
Speaker 1: not have seen Batman from Superman. I mean some of
Speaker 1: the like the photograph and like some of those things
Speaker 1: don't hit as much. But definitely the point is is
Speaker 1: that these characters wonder Woman included. I love wonder Woman,
Speaker 1: but wonder Woman is a part of a larger world
Speaker 1: and she does have relationships with characters like Batman and
Speaker 1: Superman in the Justice League, and and the way you
Speaker 1: get to a point where something like Infinity Wars coming
Speaker 1: out and everyone's like, this is it. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you have to put in the work. You cannot just
Speaker 1: work on these little islands and kind of hope it
Speaker 1: sort of comes together. And we could have had a
Speaker 1: Black Panther in the nineties, and I'm bummed we didn't
Speaker 1: get that, or wonder Woman or other types of superhero movies.
Speaker 1: I'm bummed that in the early two thousands, Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: was asked, Hey, are you guys gonna do any other
Speaker 1: superhero stuff? And they said, no, we're good. We have
Speaker 1: Harry Potter. That bums me out because I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you guys did it to yourself. You know. It's it's
Speaker 1: about having that that foresight to know, like, this is
Speaker 1: what's coming down the line. And if we invest now
Speaker 1: ten years from now, we can do something where we
Speaker 1: can put a movie together that has a bunch of
Speaker 1: characters and just including the Avengers franchise with Guardians of
Speaker 1: the Galaxy will be enough of a draw that it's
Speaker 1: like it continues to elevate, It continues to elevate, you know.
Speaker 1: And Wonder Woman has stories where it's her own story
Speaker 1: and they're amazing. But she also has stories where like
Speaker 1: it's like end of the universe, what I mean, and
Speaker 1: she shows up and it's this moment that you're like,
Speaker 1: you want to cheer it on. And I would love
Speaker 1: to see that in a film someday. I want to
Speaker 1: see that. But that means you have to stay alone,
Speaker 1: like let's take another sidebar to just dip into that
Speaker 1: decent world. That is I think one of the main
Speaker 1: problems with movies like Justice League, you tried to rush
Speaker 1: too many new characters on us. When you think about Avengers,
Speaker 1: how many characters in the Adventures had their own movie
Speaker 1: by the time that it came out for Exact Form,
Speaker 1: so by the time Justice League, how many of those
Speaker 1: characters have But I agree, But I do have to
Speaker 1: say that the new characters that they introduced us to,
Speaker 1: which is Cyborg and Flash, I felt like, we're two
Speaker 1: of the best characters. So yeah, but I understand it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: they don't have as much weight or we're not as
Speaker 1: invested or whatever as these iconic, you know, the A
Speaker 1: list ones. But still I was like, well, I still
Speaker 1: think that they were some of the best introductions. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: know that they were good introductions. The point is is
Speaker 1: that that's only two characters that are that you're invested
Speaker 1: in first that momentum. Yes, if there was a film,
Speaker 1: if there was a Flashy, would Justice League have done
Speaker 1: better what like to kind of bank on that momentum
Speaker 1: to get I think they could have kept it the
Speaker 1: way they did where Cyborg and Flash are introduced, because they,
Speaker 1: like Danny said, they were great introductions. But if they
Speaker 1: would have put the same amount of effort that they
Speaker 1: did in a movie like Wonder Woman to make a
Speaker 1: proper Superman and a proper Batman and not smushing into
Speaker 1: one and have them figure out that their moms have
Speaker 1: the same time, see what you mean. I just feel like,
Speaker 1: I mean, we could go down this forever because I
Speaker 1: feel like the Batman origin story has been done so
Speaker 1: many times I don't need to see it again. And
Speaker 1: probably why they didn't, some of those characters have such
Speaker 1: unique circumstances for figuring out how to do a movie,
Speaker 1: and a great take for me is like spider Man
Speaker 1: Homecoming did not do the Origin because Spidey is the
Speaker 1: same type of guy. It's like we've seen that in
Speaker 1: movies too many times. And but then you get to
Speaker 1: something like, you know, we can kind of rush over
Speaker 1: Iron Man three and and through the Dark World and
Speaker 1: Captain America the Winter Soldiers fantastic, But the one after
Speaker 1: that's this big risk. Guardians of the Galaxy five new
Speaker 1: characters introduced in one movie. The difference between that is
Speaker 1: that these characters were kind of genetically engineered to work
Speaker 1: with each other, as opposed to a thing like Justice
Speaker 1: League or Avengers. They're such different kind of components that
Speaker 1: it's just like it's a different felt. Yeah, so different
Speaker 1: than the others. But like you said, Iron Man three,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it. We're gonna move on to iron
Speaker 1: Man three, which came out in um still made a
Speaker 1: billion dollars, still made a billion dollars. I love iron
Speaker 1: Man three. I think there's great things in it, but
Speaker 1: it how do you rank the Iron Man's mine? One
Speaker 1: three two? Yeah? One three two one three two and
Speaker 1: I see yeah, And I love Ben Kingsley in the movie.
Speaker 1: I think it's great. And I think it was real
Speaker 1: smart for them to avoid racist caricature Mandarin and you know,
Speaker 1: so there's stuff I like, But the movie essentially had
Speaker 1: to prove to audiences can we tell stories that don't
Speaker 1: have the rest of the Avengers that people will still
Speaker 1: care about? And I think iron Man three did it.
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, here's what we do when we go
Speaker 1: back to the solo movie. You know, can we still
Speaker 1: do it? Can Marvel still get that success? And they did.
Speaker 1: So that's iron Man three basically. Not not a whole
Speaker 1: lot happens. Tony deals with his pt Steve from the
Speaker 1: Avengers again, good follow through, and then he fixes his heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah was that too? That was three? He throws it away,
Speaker 1: He throws away his ARC reactor. Thank you for bringing
Speaker 1: that up. If he because that'll come into play later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So what are them? What would you say the top
Speaker 1: three main things? For iron Man three, he learns about
Speaker 1: the discovery of the Mandarin, but not really. It's not
Speaker 1: the Mandarin. He which is Trevor Slattery, an actor that
Speaker 1: was hired by Aldrich Killian who's played by Guy Pierce.
Speaker 1: The Mandarin is this terrorist and they tied they try
Speaker 1: to tie it back to like the terrorist group that
Speaker 1: kidnapped Tony Stark in the first iron Man movie. And
Speaker 1: so there's a little flashback and you see Jansen, the
Speaker 1: character that Iron Man spends time within the cave and
Speaker 1: iron Man one, you see him right at the beginning
Speaker 1: because the movie takes place in your two thousand and
Speaker 1: it opens with I'm blue and that booty that we're
Speaker 1: right there, but you know, and that's a big thing,
Speaker 1: and I think like if he hit it. At the
Speaker 1: end of this film, Tony Stark basically finally fixes his
Speaker 1: heart and gets rid of this arc reactor that's inside
Speaker 1: of his chest. He goes to a Chinese doctor in China,
Speaker 1: and there was an extended scene because it was like
Speaker 1: a Chinese co production. And that's the future of Hollywood
Speaker 1: and that's what's happening there. Um, and that's and he
Speaker 1: kind of is like, I'm I am iron Man and
Speaker 1: I'm not my armors, and you know, he just has
Speaker 1: like a nice almost like a which is something he
Speaker 1: later kind of says foreshadowing to Peter Parker, like if
Speaker 1: you need the suit, then you don't deserve like if
Speaker 1: you're nothing without the suit and you don't deserve it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Let's just skip over. Here's what happens in
Speaker 1: fourt No, Okay, well, yes, let's just go. It's released
Speaker 1: in November or the Dark World. Just give us your
Speaker 1: top two things, then I'll give it to you right now.
Speaker 1: The Ether is introduced, which is another Infinity Stone, the
Speaker 1: red liquid e thing. And this is a very powerful
Speaker 1: artifact and I think it was the Space Stone. Whatever
Speaker 1: the case, evil generic bad guy character uses it, infects,
Speaker 1: infects Natalie Portman so that she has something to do
Speaker 1: thor saves the day. But before the end of it,
Speaker 1: he thinks that Loki sacrifices himself and it's a great
Speaker 1: little tear jerking moment, is a good moment. But by
Speaker 1: the end of that movie, we find out that Loki
Speaker 1: didn't actually die and tricked everybody and takes over the
Speaker 1: throne of Asgard, and we don't know what he did
Speaker 1: with their father Odin, and that's pretty much it. And
Speaker 1: then the post credit scene for that one was teasing
Speaker 1: because the characters from Asgar take this very powerful artifact,
Speaker 1: the Ether, and they take it to the collector played
Speaker 1: by Benicio del Toro, who we see later in Guardians
Speaker 1: of the Galaxy. So they're trying to sort of tie
Speaker 1: things together. But basically two main things. The Ether is introduced,
Speaker 1: we think that Loki dies. That's it, right, And then
Speaker 1: we jump into Captain America the Winter Soldiers, some of
Speaker 1: the people's favorite favorite Here's the thing people were in
Speaker 1: the seasons of people ranking lists. Someone ranked Black Panther
Speaker 1: at six on that list, and I immediately had to
Speaker 1: negate any thoughts they had its Black Panther number one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Black Panther just a sidebar, like has such a strong
Speaker 1: case for being a number one so easily because I
Speaker 1: think Black Panther brings such a level of sophistication to
Speaker 1: this world and and so many great questions and so
Speaker 1: many great ideas, and it's like, you know, and to
Speaker 1: go back to Winter Soldier. One of my favorite moments
Speaker 1: in that movie, because again, the Marvel universe is supposed
Speaker 1: to be our world, right, but they haven't tackled things
Speaker 1: like societal injustice, inequality, and racism. Except when Nick Fury
Speaker 1: is driving his he's the director of Shield. He's driving
Speaker 1: his jeep in Washington, d C. And this cop car
Speaker 1: pulls up and there's these two white cops and then
Speaker 1: looking at him with shades. You know, he makes that
Speaker 1: he says this line, he goes, I want to see
Speaker 1: the lease. And it was like the first time for
Speaker 1: me a Marvel movie acknowledged. I'm like, oh, there is
Speaker 1: systemic racism in this world. It's just like he's just
Speaker 1: like us. He has you know, he deals with bull
Speaker 1: crap whatever. Um, it should have been addressed in the
Speaker 1: first one, but yes, but you know a lot of
Speaker 1: studios would have been scared of that. And it's still
Speaker 1: Disney and it's still you know, it's like the fact
Speaker 1: that we got to to Ryan Coogler from Oakland telling
Speaker 1: the story he did in Black Panther. I love it,
Speaker 1: but it is a bummer that it took so many
Speaker 1: movies to get to it. But it's like they need
Speaker 1: maybe Marvel needed to prove like, look, man, just let
Speaker 1: us tell like a deeper story. Let us get to
Speaker 1: a point where in Spiderman Homecoming, Zendaya can play a
Speaker 1: character who she's at the Washington Monument and the teachers like, no,
Speaker 1: do you want to go up there with your friends?
Speaker 1: She's like, now, I can't really enjoy a thing that
Speaker 1: was built by slaves. I'm sure it wasn't. And he
Speaker 1: looks over in the security guards like and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's fine, you can go ahead. Like those little lines
Speaker 1: are like it needed to take the Marvel Cinematic universe,
Speaker 1: what like fifteen sixteen movies to just solidify like we're
Speaker 1: good and we can still, you know, include kind of
Speaker 1: stuff like this without it. It's more part of our
Speaker 1: world that exists outside of it. I did want to say,
Speaker 1: for the longest time I heard just being in the
Speaker 1: nerd world, Captain America the Winter Soldier was people's favorites.
Speaker 1: I would hear that constantly. It's a great they try
Speaker 1: to capture that seventies political thriller Robert Redford The Man
Speaker 1: like the guy my mom's number one crush, to be
Speaker 1: like the bad guy in this movie, and it added
Speaker 1: that legitimacy, you know, and then they would later get
Speaker 1: actors and actresses like Kate Blanchet was a villain and
Speaker 1: thor and like, you know, it just as incredible time.
Speaker 1: I mean, the roster for Black Panthers insane, like the
Speaker 1: with the talent there. But um, then they got Kurt
Speaker 1: Russell to be the bad guy and Guardians too. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's awesome. So your top three I would
Speaker 1: say things then for great stuff happening in Winter Soldier,
Speaker 1: like you said, it came out. We see a threat
Speaker 1: that Steve Rogers has to reconcile with this Winter Soldier assassin,
Speaker 1: but also his own government lying to him. And that's
Speaker 1: the way you treat that character. Right, He's a good guy.
Speaker 1: He's saying things like this is in freedom, this is fear.
Speaker 1: He's you know, saying things at the end like not
Speaker 1: just Hydra is going to go down, but Shield and
Speaker 1: this is the beginning of that mean that hale Hydra
Speaker 1: because we learned that Shield has been infected by Hydra. Right,
Speaker 1: that's where it came kind of nazis this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And at the end, Steve Rogers makes the choice to
Speaker 1: not just destroy Hydra, but all of Shield as well
Speaker 1: because it gets too powerful. And there's a beautiful moment
Speaker 1: I want to highlight where at the end he's given
Speaker 1: out these orders. He's saying, you know, Shield has been compromised,
Speaker 1: and this is going out to every Shield agent. If
Speaker 1: you follow their orders, we're gonna end up killing innocent people,
Speaker 1: people that have been targeted by Shield for political reasons.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. And this this like tech guy uh
Speaker 1: is being ordered by the bad guy. You know, hey,
Speaker 1: fire that missile and he goes, I'm not doing it
Speaker 1: Captain's orders and that got a reaction from and he's
Speaker 1: just he has no powers, he has no you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it's being inspired by that character,
Speaker 1: Captain America. We also are introduced to the Falcon a
Speaker 1: k a. Sam Wilson played by Anthony Mackie. Cut the
Speaker 1: check does a great job. We learned that the Winter
Speaker 1: Soldier is actually a brainwashed Bucky from World War Two.
Speaker 1: His best friend who didn't die. Steve has to deal
Speaker 1: with that. And and then at the end of the film,
Speaker 1: Shield goes down. Everything gets burned down, and Falcon and
Speaker 1: and Captain America are now choosing with the help of
Speaker 1: Black Widow. I think after Shield goes down, she's like,
Speaker 1: we're out, um, and so is Nick Fury. That they're
Speaker 1: gonna go try to find the Winter Soldier Bucky guy
Speaker 1: to try to help him, and you know, try to
Speaker 1: find him, um. And I think those are the major things.
Speaker 1: We were joined by the Russo Brothers, right, would go
Speaker 1: on to do Civil War and the upcoming Infinity War
Speaker 1: that's right now we jump into I want to call
Speaker 1: movies like these in a series like tinpole movies because
Speaker 1: they change what you think is possible in this world.
Speaker 1: And I believe Gardens of the Galaxy did that with
Speaker 1: creating a space opera. Huge. It was a space opera.
Speaker 1: It had a soundtrack that went with it. People were
Speaker 1: listening to the soundtrack before they even saw the movie
Speaker 1: to get them hyped, and then it just made the
Speaker 1: movie better because it had the soundtrack that went along
Speaker 1: with it. Beautiful story, it's really great, and it was
Speaker 1: all and it was a nice I feel like it
Speaker 1: was time at a good time because it was a
Speaker 1: nice break from the superhero Yeah. Yeah, it didn't feel
Speaker 1: like anything else. It was fun and extremely comedic. I
Speaker 1: would say humor was at the forefront, like you know,
Speaker 1: which we don't really see again. I felt like another
Speaker 1: film that felt closer to it was rag Rock, Yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Guardians kind of set the tone for that
Speaker 1: and just again, characters I would say ceased slash dealist
Speaker 1: characters being propelled to the forefront where they took over
Speaker 1: the Twilight Zone right at Disneyland. That is how important
Speaker 1: they are now, that's right. Oh yeah, it's so funny
Speaker 1: because this movie made Groot and Rocket Raccoon. Who would
Speaker 1: have thought this raccoon voiced by Um Bradley Cooper would
Speaker 1: become this like household name, you know, or a tree
Speaker 1: voiced by Vin Diesel. Yeah, or that our boy Chris
Speaker 1: brad would get shredded to hell, Yeah, to hell. But
Speaker 1: it's another sort of it's just just a classic Marvel
Speaker 1: Studios movie because they took a risk on like a
Speaker 1: kind of a comedic actor you know from the TV world,
Speaker 1: another white guy named Chris. They got their third one,
Speaker 1: Um and Um. They took a risk because these were
Speaker 1: not just B level, C level They were unknown characters
Speaker 1: and this was not connected to the rest of their
Speaker 1: avengery world. It was another like investment knowing well, they'll
Speaker 1: eventually meet up with them later. Thanos is going to
Speaker 1: be in the movie, and he was briefly, but it
Speaker 1: was more about his daughter's Gomera Nebula. They're setting that up.
Speaker 1: It was more about Ronan the accuser, one of the
Speaker 1: Cree characters, and just kind of setting up the space world.
Speaker 1: And it was mostly about these characters through the voice
Speaker 1: of director James Gunn that ends up becoming a family.
Speaker 1: You've got rock a Raccoon, Groot, star Lord a k A.
Speaker 1: Peter Quill, go Mora and drags the Destroyer, and these
Speaker 1: characters are killers or their thieves or whatever. And they
Speaker 1: did such a good job of getting us to care
Speaker 1: about a CG raccoon and a CG tree that it
Speaker 1: just pays off. And at the end, Peter Quill we
Speaker 1: see another Infinity stone. This this time I think it
Speaker 1: was the Power Stone, the big purple thing. We see again.
Speaker 1: Benisil Do Toro's character of the collect And by the end,
Speaker 1: when Peter saves the day and he does it in
Speaker 1: his own way, he still has a moment where he
Speaker 1: can reflect and go, I should have held my mom's
Speaker 1: hand when she was dying of cancer. Back on Earth,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the reasons he escaped Earth. And
Speaker 1: if you watch that movie a couple of times, you
Speaker 1: realize he could have gone back to Earth at any
Speaker 1: point as soon as he sort of grew up. He
Speaker 1: could have just gotten a spaceship and came back to it,
Speaker 1: but he chose not to because it was too difficult
Speaker 1: for him. And it's so relatable even though it's all
Speaker 1: out in space, you know what I mean. So they
Speaker 1: did such a good job with opening that up, opening
Speaker 1: that world, given us great characters, and it's that that
Speaker 1: year Man gave a lot of people like their top
Speaker 1: two favorites. It was like Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy. Man,
Speaker 1: they're so good. And then boom Shaka Laka. Here comes Avengers,
Speaker 1: Age of Ultra. Very decisive. That got a boom Shaka Laka.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, because I feel like, not boom
Speaker 1: Shaka Laka in like necessarily how well it did with fans,
Speaker 1: but boom Shaka and how it rocked the fan base,
Speaker 1: because I feel like this was the first film you
Speaker 1: had fans being like, it's just it's a lot of
Speaker 1: cooks in the kitchen, and it started to feel like
Speaker 1: this Marvel formula. It's like, maybe you guys are focusing
Speaker 1: on too many characters, and maybe you guys are you know,
Speaker 1: instead of I mean, the Avengers and the comic books
Speaker 1: always did a great thing where they swapped out their roster.
Speaker 1: It was never going to be the same characters. The
Speaker 1: X Men do the same thing. It's like to mix
Speaker 1: it up. Let's bring a new characters, new characters, new characters.
Speaker 1: But those first six were so popular in that first
Speaker 1: Avengers movie, like they're all going to be here, even
Speaker 1: if Hulk and Black Widow might not. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: what what stakes do they have with Ultron? I guess okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have you know, Bruce Banner and Tony Stark
Speaker 1: work on this Ultron artificial intelligence, and it was voiced
Speaker 1: and acted by James Spader, and then Ultron sort of
Speaker 1: takes over and and at the end it ends up
Speaker 1: that he like basically blows up a Eastern European fictional
Speaker 1: country called Slowcovia I think is what it was, which
Speaker 1: which later yeah, which is going to be a big
Speaker 1: one of the coming Kia. But like it introduces three
Speaker 1: new Avengagers, Scarlett, Witch, Quicksilver and vision and one of
Speaker 1: them dies, yeah, which Silver. Also, I feel like this
Speaker 1: was more one of the This was more suit flex
Speaker 1: than actual, like more writing, because I felt like Avengers
Speaker 1: specifically wanted to create Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver because of
Speaker 1: just the kind of tug of war they've been having
Speaker 1: with Fox and is it Sony who has X Fox
Speaker 1: Fox with the X Men, and because at this point
Speaker 1: they first Class was doing pretty successful and then they
Speaker 1: had Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver with this and they read
Speaker 1: con that they're not related to Magneto and that mutants
Speaker 1: don't exist, that she has powers if people aren't aware.
Speaker 1: In comic books, Quicksilver in the Scarlet Witch are two characters.
Speaker 1: They're Avengers, but their father is Magneto played by Ian
Speaker 1: McKellen played by Michael Fassbender. So like there's no connection
Speaker 1: there in the Marvel Cinematic Universities because there's no Magneto,
Speaker 1: because there's no X Men, there's no Mutants, there's no etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: So they were called miracles instead of mutants, which is
Speaker 1: weird and then kind of never again, Yeah, very weird,
Speaker 1: but we'll get into that. But yeah, pretty much that
Speaker 1: that's kind of the big event that happened is this,
Speaker 1: you know, this giant city gets destroyed, uh and Quicksilver
Speaker 1: dies that I feel like that's also there's this tug
Speaker 1: of war between Cap Bruce and um because of creating
Speaker 1: someone like Ultron, because Tony Stark's going into this big
Speaker 1: crisis of like what happens when we're not around, we
Speaker 1: need to create someone who's in and that internal conflict
Speaker 1: rolls over into Captain America Civil War, it does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And before we get to that, we have H's Okay,
Speaker 1: a man coming out, which was another comedy dude taking over,
Speaker 1: which I think they're so smart to do because I
Speaker 1: get I agree with like the superhero fatigue and if
Speaker 1: it's too dark and britty, like they're capitalizing on what
Speaker 1: they know well, which is what they started with their
Speaker 1: original blueprint with Robert Downey Jr. Who if we go
Speaker 1: back to Iron Man, we don't even really have a
Speaker 1: villain until kind of the end. We the whole the
Speaker 1: whole movie is based on the chemistry of Robert Downey
Speaker 1: Junior and it works. And so what they did is
Speaker 1: that they found out, Okay, we have Peter Quill, we
Speaker 1: have star Lord with Chris Pratt and that's super funny,
Speaker 1: and Guardians of the Galaxy and we're going to bring
Speaker 1: in our man into aunt Man. Paul Rudd, the most handsome,
Speaker 1: funniest guy. He's so charming, so damn charming. And you've
Speaker 1: got Evangeline Lily, and then you've got Michael Douglas to
Speaker 1: round out again that like that top tier actor cast
Speaker 1: and one of my favorite characters, Michael Penias. Luise. We
Speaker 1: gotta talk about Luise, We gotta talk about the t
Speaker 1: I is in the film. It's great, it's great, but
Speaker 1: it's great because this is Marvel's uh I feel like
Speaker 1: mastermind plan that they often implement where they don't make
Speaker 1: superhero movies. They choose a genre and aunt Man was
Speaker 1: a heist movie. Yep. You may have heard me say
Speaker 1: earlier that, you know, Guardians of the Galaxy was a
Speaker 1: space opera. They choose genres for these movies, and like
Speaker 1: you said, for Winter Soldier, it was a political thriller exactly.
Speaker 1: So now we have aunt Man, which is a heist movie,
Speaker 1: and it's great and such a breath of fresh air
Speaker 1: after The Avengers, which was trying to be very serious
Speaker 1: and you know, and and especially in the case of
Speaker 1: aunt Man. Aunt Man and the Wasp are characters that
Speaker 1: are such tough sells. And we're technically originally on the
Speaker 1: Avengers to begin with. Why weren't they in the first
Speaker 1: Avengers movie? Because it's a tough sell, you guys, that's
Speaker 1: you know, that's a difficult concept to tell people. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've got Iron Man, he builds a suit Captain America,
Speaker 1: he thaws out from World War Two. Thor'st Kyle with
Speaker 1: a hammer. He's a god, take his word for it.
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, people that can shrink.
Speaker 1: They went, no, no, no, we're gonna we already have
Speaker 1: the growing Hulk guy. We're going to bring in two spies,
Speaker 1: but we'll save aunt Man for later because he is
Speaker 1: a tough sell. And they were working on it with
Speaker 1: Edgar Wright for like ten years apparently and figuring it out.
Speaker 1: And so I think it was so smart, like Danny said,
Speaker 1: to bring in this comedy guy to make fun of
Speaker 1: the idea as well, because it helps sell the idea
Speaker 1: to audiences so that we can buy it if the
Speaker 1: comedy guys making fun of this. But then by the
Speaker 1: end of it, he's aunt Man. Then you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: come in Yeah, and it was. It was great. I
Speaker 1: do want to take a second song about Michael Pinion
Speaker 1: because it was nice to have a Latin X character
Speaker 1: who is if sophisticated, he likes the finer things in life,
Speaker 1: but he's still himself and he goes into these long
Speaker 1: diet tris where he talks about these things. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: just go off on that, up off on that. If
Speaker 1: I love the character, he's one of my favorites. I
Speaker 1: am hoping that he gets to put on a suit
Speaker 1: of his own at some point, maybe become giant man,
Speaker 1: maybe do the whole thing. But it's tricky because up
Speaker 1: to this point in the like the Latino the Latin
Speaker 1: X world, there's not really any representation in these movies.
Speaker 1: And even when you get to aunt man technically. This
Speaker 1: film Okay is directed by Peyton Read. Peyton Read also
Speaker 1: did Bring It On. If you haven't seen Bring It
Speaker 1: On in a couple of years, rewatch that because it
Speaker 1: is a surprisingly woke movie. It is a surprisingly aware,
Speaker 1: socially aware of film. It's a movie about a white
Speaker 1: high school that steals cheers from a black high school.
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. That's what the movie is about.
Speaker 1: And there's an openly gay character and there's all these
Speaker 1: things happening and bring it on. You get to aunt Man,
Speaker 1: and the movie is about criminality, and it talks about
Speaker 1: some of the struggles that people that have been in
Speaker 1: jail and prison have to put up with the differences.
Speaker 1: Is that Marvel playing it safe but probably very smartly.
Speaker 1: Their lead criminal is Paul Rudd, so of course you're
Speaker 1: gonna audiences are automatically gonna humanize this character instead of
Speaker 1: dehumanize him. If Scott Lange, his character he's playing, was
Speaker 1: a black guy, like right, coming out of a jail
Speaker 1: in San Francisco for committing a crime, how many audiences
Speaker 1: would have crossed their arms have been like, he's not
Speaker 1: a superhero. Why is Michael Douglas, you know, picking this guy?
Speaker 1: But Marvel very wisely chose Scott Lange to be the face.
Speaker 1: They show him getting fired from Baskin Robbins because Baskin
Speaker 1: Robbins always finds out. And he's just trying to support
Speaker 1: his daughter and he's just trying, you know, he's trying
Speaker 1: to do all these things and it shows the level
Speaker 1: of desperation and it shows non violent criminal offenders as well,
Speaker 1: and Luise and um god, tis character I think his
Speaker 1: name was I'm forgetting give a guy tip, Dave Dave
Speaker 1: and then sorry, I didn't know what it st it
Speaker 1: was it was Louise, Dave and the other guy. Like
Speaker 1: these are characters that they show, like, you know, he
Speaker 1: got in jail for for stealing a smoothie machine and
Speaker 1: Luis is like two smoothie machines, Like it's not it's
Speaker 1: like a non violent thing. Because it asked the audience,
Speaker 1: do you think a person who has has served time
Speaker 1: can still be contributing to society, can still be a superhero,
Speaker 1: can still be a father, can still be all these
Speaker 1: different things. So I love Louise. It's still a bummer that, like,
Speaker 1: you've got a Mexican character like still involved in criminality
Speaker 1: in the superhero world as opposed to just like being
Speaker 1: a super like. I still want to see like a
Speaker 1: Mexican superhero character. I still want to see Miles Morales
Speaker 1: Spider Man someday in this world and we can get
Speaker 1: to that. But so, I it's a bummer that Luise
Speaker 1: is like a former convict. But I you're so right,
Speaker 1: if you I love the way that they fleshed out
Speaker 1: that character and the rest of the characters. They just
Speaker 1: humanized these people before we moved on. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to say the screenplay like you were saying that Edgar
Speaker 1: Wright had worked on it, Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish,
Speaker 1: but then also the team of Adam McKay and Paul Rudd.
Speaker 1: So Paul Redd just having that comedy background, it's fascinating
Speaker 1: that he you know, this is the first time I
Speaker 1: think in these films that this star also worked on
Speaker 1: the screenplay, so that I did hear that Edward Norton
Speaker 1: did some right, You're right, And of course you know
Speaker 1: Favreau who's in these but not quite the same, not
Speaker 1: quite the same, not the title character, right, even if
Speaker 1: he is directing some of them. So yeah, so any
Speaker 1: connective tissue and that's not really see the falcon again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so we know the Yeah, that was a real fun
Speaker 1: We know that at the end that man will be
Speaker 1: an avenger. And we also hear a mention of a
Speaker 1: guy who climbs on walls Spider Man, you know, kind
Speaker 1: of a little different things like that. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did want to say so right after this, so
Speaker 1: we had before this. We had so, we had Guardians,
Speaker 1: we had Aunt Man and in a different you know, franchise,
Speaker 1: but we have Deadpool then came out, which is not
Speaker 1: a part of this but after this. But I think
Speaker 1: it is important to note as far as the medic
Speaker 1: actors taking over and kind of being almost like a
Speaker 1: parody and kind of like making fun of a lot
Speaker 1: of these superhero not taking it as seriously. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think Deadpool. I think Deadpool is as much a
Speaker 1: refreshment to his own X Men franchise as he is
Speaker 1: to the larger superhero of genre. So like Deadpool works
Speaker 1: just as well making fun of when he says the
Speaker 1: three point landing, He's gonna do a three point landing.
Speaker 1: He's making fun of like other superhero movies to not
Speaker 1: just like X Men movies. So yeah, which is something
Speaker 1: he did like in the comics anyways. But I just
Speaker 1: think that it was so successful at that time in
Speaker 1: because of these other films that kind of had these
Speaker 1: comedic actors starring in them, but moving on to the big,
Speaker 1: to the big, the big, the big time. This was
Speaker 1: always interesting to me because yeah, it's Captain America's Civil War.
Speaker 1: I was it was very interesting to me that Captain
Speaker 1: America was the Civil War title and that they didn't
Speaker 1: use it as an Avengers movie, but I felt like
Speaker 1: it kind of fits. It kind of worked in the end.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, but as someone who was a big
Speaker 1: fan of the Civil War crossover, to kind of see
Speaker 1: it kind of be this mobile version, that's what I'll
Speaker 1: call it. Like it was in the comic books, Civil
Speaker 1: War was a war because you know, the comic books
Speaker 1: had the ability by the way, the comics have been
Speaker 1: running for decades at this point, and so they had
Speaker 1: so many characters they could have called, and so it
Speaker 1: was an all out war across the United States between superheroes.
Speaker 1: To see it just kind of melted down into a
Speaker 1: parking lot fight. Uh. It kind of was a bummer,
Speaker 1: but it still worked for me. It still progressed the
Speaker 1: Marvel cinematic universe in a unique way. We had the
Speaker 1: Russo brothers coming back. We had our first introduction to
Speaker 1: Tchechaula as well as Peter Parker. Peter Parker, Peter Parker.
Speaker 1: That was a crazy thing that happened too. There were
Speaker 1: so many behind the scenes things that were happening with
Speaker 1: this movie. I never would have guessed that Sony would
Speaker 1: have to like a deal like a sharing deal to
Speaker 1: so crazy. Right, and not too long after Amazing Spider
Speaker 1: Man two came out, did they kind of announced this?
Speaker 1: So when we all heard it, we were like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, what this is insane that that Sony was
Speaker 1: going to lend their guy and it kind of meant
Speaker 1: like anything as possible, So that when people talk about
Speaker 1: today like oh, the acquisition of Fox, even before that,
Speaker 1: I think that it meant that Marvel Studios has become
Speaker 1: so successful that it it is impossible to ignore it.
Speaker 1: That's how successful this franchise has been. And not only that,
Speaker 1: but people forget that Marvel Studios put down a date
Speaker 1: May in no movie was announced, right. Warner Brothers not
Speaker 1: too long after put a movie down on the same date,
Speaker 1: which was Batman Versus Superman. And after Marvel announced this
Speaker 1: is Captain America Civil War, which is effectively Captain America
Speaker 1: versus Iron Man, Warner Brothers moved there. And that is
Speaker 1: mind blowing to me because the Warner Brothers film has
Speaker 1: two characters in it called Superman and the Batman, arguably
Speaker 1: the most icons the most iconic, but the momentum, the
Speaker 1: momentum and the success of Captain America and Civil War
Speaker 1: and the Marvel Cinematic universe, and the fact that they
Speaker 1: were gonna have all the characters and Spider Man was
Speaker 1: gonna be this, and Black Panther was gonna be in this,
Speaker 1: and and we're going to see the Vision and Scarlet
Speaker 1: Witch and war Machine and ant Man and and and
Speaker 1: and Hawkeye and and Black Widow. And it's just like
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's not comic book level, the whole world,
Speaker 1: but it was basically everybody up to that point that
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers moved their film like earlier in the year
Speaker 1: to avoid that sort of competition. And I think that
Speaker 1: that is a testament to just it's again, it's like
Speaker 1: they became so successful you cannot ignore them. So after that,
Speaker 1: all bets were off. We were having discussions of like, well,
Speaker 1: if Marvel wanted to, they might absorb just the characters
Speaker 1: of the X Men, just the characters of the Fantastic Four,
Speaker 1: just like you know, it's Sky's the limit whatever. And
Speaker 1: pretty good movie too. I really liked it. Yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: a yeah, you know the stuff I set aside. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: So what are the main three things before we move
Speaker 1: on for Civil War, I mentioned the character character interactions.
Speaker 1: We get a little bit of a resolution between what's
Speaker 1: happening with Bucky the Winter Soldier, right Cap is finally
Speaker 1: able to sort of reach out to him. We learn
Speaker 1: this is a big deal, a big deal to a
Speaker 1: seed that was planted in Captain America the Winter Soldier,
Speaker 1: when we learned that when Steve is finding out what
Speaker 1: his friend did when he was brainwashed, one of the
Speaker 1: things he did was assassinate Howard and Maria Stark. Cut
Speaker 1: to Civil War two years later. They showed us Tony
Speaker 1: Stark's parents in the nineteen nineties is when they died,
Speaker 1: and they show us that assassination. They show us as
Speaker 1: kind of flashback. So Tony Stark finds out, iron Man
Speaker 1: finds out that Captain America's best friend killed his mom
Speaker 1: and dad, and like it's that's the conflict right there
Speaker 1: at the end. But before that, there's this big airport
Speaker 1: fight where they're trying to protect Bucky, and iron Man says,
Speaker 1: we need accountability, we have to turn ourselves in. Because
Speaker 1: he was spoken to by a woman named Miriam the
Speaker 1: beginning of the film, who had family who died in Socovia.
Speaker 1: You know, so all of the different threads in the film. Again,
Speaker 1: you do not need to see the whole movies, all
Speaker 1: the movies to go and see Captain America Civil War.
Speaker 1: But if you do, it's just it's just to payoff.
Speaker 1: It's just like, yep, I remember when that happened. Wow,
Speaker 1: what a cool little detail. I'm learning now that this
Speaker 1: woman's son who was volunteering he died in this event.
Speaker 1: And now now that she's upset at Ironman, and then
Speaker 1: that's going to lead for you know, it's I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, there are two other main things. One is
Speaker 1: this is where King to Chaka dies, which is true,
Speaker 1: you know, haunted haunts to Challa. Um that he yes,
Speaker 1: And so Bucky then in the in the post credit
Speaker 1: scene or the mid credit wasn't technically, um helmet Zimo
Speaker 1: that killed him? Yes, yes, m you're right, you're right,
Speaker 1: yeah Zemo um. And then in the mid credit scene,
Speaker 1: so Bucky is then granted asylum in Wakonda, which will
Speaker 1: come in handy later. And then we also have the
Speaker 1: other post credit scene, which is Peter Parker testing out
Speaker 1: his new uh yep, his little Tony Star, his little
Speaker 1: Tony start, which we will see later, but next we
Speaker 1: get a whole new character, Doctor Strange. We can skip
Speaker 1: over most of this whatever Dr Strange. So you weren't
Speaker 1: a fan of Surgeon, I love as a great film
Speaker 1: and he's good coming back as important are almost there
Speaker 1: people origin story? It was an origin story, but it
Speaker 1: was really cool to see them do this kind of
Speaker 1: cerebral thing. But like you said, it's more like a
Speaker 1: you know, just like a popcorn flick in the grand
Speaker 1: scheme of things. Definitely, this was at the point I
Speaker 1: got superhero fatigue. Oh no, oh, yeah, well we'll get
Speaker 1: into that. So I enjoyed it. There was a lot
Speaker 1: of controversy was around it this year with the casting
Speaker 1: of Tilda Swinton. The character she played his name the
Speaker 1: Ancient One, and the version that she played was somebody
Speaker 1: who was Celtic, as told to us by she tell
Speaker 1: Edge of four. That actor was telling us, you know,
Speaker 1: and he himself was playing a character named Baron Mordo
Speaker 1: Mordo who in the comic books was white. He's a
Speaker 1: black actor who's playing him. So again Marvel is doing
Speaker 1: what they always do. They look at the source material.
Speaker 1: They're like, how can we diversify this for other how
Speaker 1: can we avoid offense, How can we you know, do
Speaker 1: this do that. So a lot of debate was was
Speaker 1: happening at the time with the character of the Ancient
Speaker 1: One in the comic books as a Tibetan monk type guy,
Speaker 1: a Tibetan Asian male who departs his wisdom on a
Speaker 1: white guy from New York and then he becomes the Savior,
Speaker 1: and so there's a lot tied to that with like
Speaker 1: historically sort of stereotypically racist white savior type imagery and
Speaker 1: and and stuff like that. Marvel tried to avoid that
Speaker 1: bybinic let's go with a woman instead, But they didn't
Speaker 1: want to cast an Asian female actress because they didn't
Speaker 1: want to have other stereotypes associated with that, and so
Speaker 1: they thought they were going to kind of play it safe.
Speaker 1: And there's other reasons too, is that they wanted the
Speaker 1: movie to open in China. You cannot have a Tibetan
Speaker 1: character because of the complex policies and and politics of
Speaker 1: that region. So there was like financial reasons for them
Speaker 1: to do what they did. There was like we're trying
Speaker 1: to avoid but at the end of the day, you
Speaker 1: know it was sort of like you're gonna lose either
Speaker 1: way because people pointed out like, well, you're taking a
Speaker 1: role away from another Asian Asian, and Asian specifically is
Speaker 1: already limited. The four sort of main cast I would
Speaker 1: say was Bennetic Cumberbatch is Stephen Strange. You had Tilda
Speaker 1: Swinton is the ancient one. Like I said, she would
Speaker 1: ad you for playing a black version of the character Morto,
Speaker 1: who later becomes the villain of Doctor Strange, but in
Speaker 1: this Forgin story, like in the comics, they're friends and
Speaker 1: they're helping each other. And then Benedict Wong, great actor,
Speaker 1: played the character Wong, who they sort of updated from
Speaker 1: being Doctor Stranger's man servant from in the comic books.
Speaker 1: You see there's a lot of stuff happening in the
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange world to like his partner and his kind
Speaker 1: of better and you know he's going to help him
Speaker 1: along the way. And just to throw in, we also
Speaker 1: had Rachel McAdams joined the m c U one movie
Speaker 1: and then she's done ye Christian Palmer his his love interest.
Speaker 1: And then we had Bennet Cumberbatch, I think, also voiced Dormamo.
Speaker 1: The big scary thing at the end where Doctor Strangers
Speaker 1: like Dormamo, I'm here to bargain like he voiced that character,
Speaker 1: I think. And then we had a post credit scene
Speaker 1: that featured thor Thor again we're like, oh, that's where
Speaker 1: he's been. Cool, that's where he was during Civil War.
Speaker 1: I guess he's jumping around space or whatever. That was
Speaker 1: Doctor Strange. Yeah. Then we zip over to Guardians of
Speaker 1: the Galaxy volume. To the reason I mentioned the superhero
Speaker 1: fatigue is because I didn't watch this till I was
Speaker 1: on an airplane. I didn't see the thing. What do
Speaker 1: you think on an airplane? Oh? It was great. It
Speaker 1: was hard not to try because you and the you
Speaker 1: know with the dad's stuff. You know, I'm a dad now,
Speaker 1: so all that type of stuff just tuts. My heart
Speaker 1: had done everything wrong and I'm glad you was my boy. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was specifically next to Ronnie Adrian. We were flying
Speaker 1: into uh to Austin for improv fessed And if for
Speaker 1: those of you many listeners who don't know Ronnie Adrian,
Speaker 1: he is one of those friends that razy uh So
Speaker 1: if he would have and he was sleep so that
Speaker 1: would have meant if I started crying, he would have
Speaker 1: woke up and saw tears in my eyes, and I
Speaker 1: probably would not have heard the last of it. I
Speaker 1: want to say. I was working on the show with
Speaker 1: Lawn Harris m who is he works at? Like screen
Speaker 1: Junkies and what's training to end? Uh? This was like
Speaker 1: a year or two ago, and we would write like
Speaker 1: the cheesiest lines where it was like I might not
Speaker 1: be your father, but damn it, I'm your dad. Like
Speaker 1: we would put that, and then they had that in
Speaker 1: the thing. It was so funny. We would always think
Speaker 1: that those lines were just like you're thrown away your
Speaker 1: dream son. No dad, I'm throwing away yours that like
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and which those are all like Disney
Speaker 1: Channel Original movie or Disney Channel whatever. That was from
Speaker 1: a Cinderella story. But anyways, I thought it was so
Speaker 1: funny that they had that in this He may have
Speaker 1: been your father, but it wasn't your daddy. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: by our little Mary Poppins. No Infinity Stones in this film.
Speaker 1: It was just James Gunn taking the characters. Two months
Speaker 1: later we get a baby group because group died in
Speaker 1: the first Garden. Yeah, we have to clarify that because
Speaker 1: a lot of people might not know this because this
Speaker 1: kind of was confirmed via Twitter from my friend Ash
Speaker 1: crosn In you like, yeah, and we were talking confirmed
Speaker 1: when the film came out. It was like recently discovered
Speaker 1: it again. I think they were tweeting back and forth
Speaker 1: and gun and he was like, no, Grout died. That's
Speaker 1: not a new group. That's not like him regenerating himself.
Speaker 1: He's dead. That's a brand new baby, which means he
Speaker 1: has no memories. This baby group does not have the
Speaker 1: memories of the previous group. That helps. So when Grout
Speaker 1: said we are group and sacrifice himself, he did. He
Speaker 1: did sacrifice himself. It's just a little sapling that grew
Speaker 1: from his remains as like his kid, like his clone
Speaker 1: and whatever you want to call it. So we get
Speaker 1: baby Grout, get Rock, a raccoon. Nebula Mantis is now introduced.
Speaker 1: She's a sidekick of Ego the Living Planet, who's the
Speaker 1: villain in the film. And the villain turns out to
Speaker 1: be star Lord's long lost father. So it's just James
Speaker 1: Gunn like wrapping up that storyline, that star Lord storyline.
Speaker 1: At the end of the movie, Ego is discovered evil
Speaker 1: he gets killed and yeah, and then the Guardians get
Speaker 1: the heck out of there. That's it, and Mantis is cool.
Speaker 1: I like Mantis. We still have the sexual tension but
Speaker 1: between yeah, psic an unspoken thing, but yeah it's there. Well,
Speaker 1: something might have happened, Okay, okay, then we you know,
Speaker 1: you're a loan in space and gets hold up there.
Speaker 1: So this is this is when I woke up again.
Speaker 1: I woke up. I was in slumber, slept on Guardens
Speaker 1: of the Galaxy. Woke up for Spider Man Homecoming. I
Speaker 1: woke up for that. This was a good film, first
Speaker 1: Spider Man film that really felt like Spider Man in
Speaker 1: so many ways. It does, and those first two Spider
Speaker 1: Man movies are great. Yeah, but you didn't like the
Speaker 1: hot topic. I liked Toby McGuire. I liked the first one.
Speaker 1: The second one I was not a fan of too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of people like I Now at this point
Speaker 1: in my life, I have to go back and watch
Speaker 1: it because when I was a teen when it came out,
Speaker 1: I hated it. I hated that he revealed himself to
Speaker 1: be sure to Mary Jane. I hated the kind of
Speaker 1: like fast tracking of things. I did not like it.
Speaker 1: It just did not vibe with me. But I need
Speaker 1: to go back and watch it because a lot of
Speaker 1: people really love Spider Man. There's a bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: that works there on the story level, but there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that if excuse me, if you are
Speaker 1: a comic book fan, you point to it and you go, well,
Speaker 1: that's not the complete sort of story. It's not you know,
Speaker 1: we're we're missing out on certain things. We're missing out
Speaker 1: on the big thing that I missed out on, even
Speaker 1: though I do I did love those Spider Man movies
Speaker 1: when they were coming out when I was in high school.
Speaker 1: Was Toby McGuire's Peter Parker isn't quite there, He's not
Speaker 1: quite there with that sort of quippiness, with that sort
Speaker 1: of you know that that kind of relatability. I really
Speaker 1: liked Andrew Garfield in the role and the Amazing Spider
Speaker 1: Man one and two. But you got well, now you
Speaker 1: can go back and check them out. I'll let you borrow.
Speaker 1: I'll let your borrow. But like, there's some great stuff
Speaker 1: in there, But those movies are too many cooks in
Speaker 1: the kitchen, too many things, and they're still kind of
Speaker 1: isolated because Spider Man is part of the Marvel Universe,
Speaker 1: and the Marvel Universe is a part of Spider Man.
Speaker 1: I'll say the same thing about the X Men. When
Speaker 1: I argue, you know what, I'd love to see the
Speaker 1: X Men and the Fantastic Four in the m c U.
Speaker 1: People go, no, keep them separate. I go no. The
Speaker 1: X Men characters like Wolvere, they are incomplete without the
Speaker 1: rest of the Marvel universe. But the Marvel Universe is
Speaker 1: incomplete without them too. I love them. They need to
Speaker 1: be over there. So you know, Tom Hollands, Peter Parker's
Speaker 1: so great, so likable. The villain in this at the time,
Speaker 1: best villain in the m c U at the time
Speaker 1: was Michael Keaton. Yes, he loves wings character Vulture Batman. Also,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about just the societal missdirect in
Speaker 1: the twist of the movie. Yes, they caught me, they
Speaker 1: caught my racist as they called everyone because no, he
Speaker 1: turns out to be the love interest who happens to
Speaker 1: be African American. Zendia Liz is played by Laura Harrier.
Speaker 1: I think you see actress's name and she is black.
Speaker 1: So when he opens the door and sees Michael Keaton,
Speaker 1: it's such a dad as heard that, it freaks out
Speaker 1: and then there's this Pedro Huh what is he doing there?
Speaker 1: And it took me a second and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we should go and watch it after this.
Speaker 1: But then on top of that, it didn't do the
Speaker 1: cheesy kind of like movie thing of like they don't
Speaker 1: know like immediately the next scene Michael Keaton that's spun
Speaker 1: in fact, when he figured it out, this great moment.
Speaker 1: He's sitting in the car and they stopped at a
Speaker 1: red light and as he's like talking to Peter and
Speaker 1: figures said, oh, you must have been so scared in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. Right when Spider Man saved you. No, I
Speaker 1: wasn't there, sir. I was you know, he's figuring it out.
Speaker 1: There's a red light. As soon as he figures it out,
Speaker 1: the light turns green on the Vulture's face and he's
Speaker 1: looking back at him like Pedro, it's great. And then
Speaker 1: his daughter would be like, dad the light screen and
Speaker 1: then he goes And so there's so much great stuff there.
Speaker 1: But what's fantastic about Spider Man Homecoming is like it's
Speaker 1: not an end of the world thing. It's a pair
Speaker 1: down story about Peter. We get Iron Man. We have
Speaker 1: him coming in Tony Stark and being this mentor sort
Speaker 1: of father figure, kind of like an uncle Ben. It's great,
Speaker 1: it's super funny. It's not the end of the World steaks,
Speaker 1: but that's okay because to me, it's like a part
Speaker 1: one of a Harry Potter franchise. It's the Sorcerer's Stone.
Speaker 1: We've got places to go, people, It's okay, all right,
Speaker 1: And then we go to thor Ragnarok. I go back
Speaker 1: to sleep, I go back. Have you seen any of
Speaker 1: films New Zealand director Taka Wait, here's a very key
Speaker 1: thing about thor ragn Rock that I didn't even get
Speaker 1: on my first watch. The movie is about vampires, effects
Speaker 1: of colonialism and the repercussions of colonialism and how the
Speaker 1: basic premises that Hella, played by Kate Blanchet, returns and
Speaker 1: she reveals that she is Odin's firstborn daughter and that
Speaker 1: for Asgar to achieve the level of of success and
Speaker 1: wealth and fame and wealth that Asgar did, it had
Speaker 1: to bury people's and cultures, and which is interesting because
Speaker 1: he is a first people's of Australia, right he is yeah,
Speaker 1: He's a Maori. He's yeah, because because the out of
Speaker 1: vogue term of what people used to say is aboriginal,
Speaker 1: which now this year we've made an effort to stop
Speaker 1: using that term. Yeah. Um but yeah, so that is
Speaker 1: coming from a very personal absolutely absolutely, and it's still
Speaker 1: super funny. That's what his movies are about. So he
Speaker 1: brings that voice and yeah, and it's just Thor who
Speaker 1: meets Hulk up in space. The Hulk has been up
Speaker 1: there because that's where we last saw him from Avengers.
Speaker 1: Agent have a lot of comedy together, really good stuff.
Speaker 1: I go with TV. I mean, yeah, he if you
Speaker 1: got to go watch what don't worry I want to see.
Speaker 1: This is the one I was saying, what we do
Speaker 1: in the Shadows, thank you exolutely enjoy it. She really would,
Speaker 1: and then you'd want to see his other work. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: this was just another you know, it did have some
Speaker 1: weight to it. But I would say, in the long run,
Speaker 1: like another fun, loud music type of Um, I feel
Speaker 1: like people are going to be so mad and we've
Speaker 1: we've equated like these films down to Yeah, it was fun.
Speaker 1: There was music. I just said, it's Coli. You did
Speaker 1: You're right, you didn't. And we have the All star
Speaker 1: dropping in. I mean we have Tessa Thompson Valkyrie. I
Speaker 1: mean she kicked as and extremely Jeff Goldblum, of course, yes, um,
Speaker 1: but but she really I did set up something special
Speaker 1: in this film. And then she later was like, we
Speaker 1: need to have an all female film, okay, And I
Speaker 1: think given how great she was in this and and
Speaker 1: her character's future, I think she can make that work.
Speaker 1: I would agree. Then I'll wake all the way up.
Speaker 1: If I was buried, I shout out the grave. I
Speaker 1: pulled back the curtains, not only for myself but for
Speaker 1: America because Black Panther dropped. And I will say all
Speaker 1: the like hype up to Black Panther. I just stayed
Speaker 1: very calm, very calm. I didn't want to get too
Speaker 1: high because I Black Panther is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: characters so much that there is a level of anger
Speaker 1: I had that they had not wait longer for me
Speaker 1: to be of age to play to Challa. You could
Speaker 1: play to Challa like college ears. Yeah, well you know
Speaker 1: who knows. I just know that if I'm not into
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna fire all my representation and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: send them this clip once we're done. But it I
Speaker 1: saw it three times and it really too now knowing
Speaker 1: that about Ragnarok, it really did. And even if we
Speaker 1: go to Homecoming, this new wave of of just aware
Speaker 1: content from comic books, knowing the effect and really uplifting
Speaker 1: not only people of color, they do now shift the
Speaker 1: tide of these movies to not be something that just
Speaker 1: get these nerdy white guys man, but everybody can show
Speaker 1: up and feel represented. I only hope we can do it.
Speaker 1: I hope we get either Michael Pinion and the super
Speaker 1: Board get you know, like we need to really make
Speaker 1: the steps to do it. And I think Marvel they've
Speaker 1: talked about their like we know part of our future
Speaker 1: plan is a better representation and diversity and different types
Speaker 1: of audiences. And look at what Wonder Woman did last
Speaker 1: year for so many women around the world. Look at
Speaker 1: what Black Panther did for black around Does everyone really?
Speaker 1: I mean it's like people see this and they relate
Speaker 1: to a story of having turmoil and your family of
Speaker 1: having turmoil, you know, these like sins of the Father
Speaker 1: type of things. Like people relate to it. So it's
Speaker 1: so funny when people like they make excuses for why
Speaker 1: they didn't know what you know, when Danny, I don't
Speaker 1: even care anymore because you know what you know, because
Speaker 1: now we got numbers on the Board's right, We got
Speaker 1: big numbers on the boards. So any time somebody even
Speaker 1: tries to negate any Latin next movie, any Asiana, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna tell him. Sorry, ears Um, that's
Speaker 1: for editing the workout. But I'm ana bark them quiet
Speaker 1: numbers on the board. Are you done? Him? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you finished? Are you do you finished? Because I
Speaker 1: have these numbers on the butt because I have watched
Speaker 1: from the mountains your white heroes and I am not impressed.
Speaker 1: Scoff at tradition you scoffed at and blackness in cinema? Yes,
Speaker 1: can we talk about how we had the introduction of
Speaker 1: Umbaku Winston Duke himself. Now, just I love watching, like
Speaker 1: I'm such a creep that I'll go and look at
Speaker 1: someone's Instagram and he had I followed him that weekend
Speaker 1: and I watched he had like three followers. Just and
Speaker 1: it's and it's so beautiful to watch. Make sure you're
Speaker 1: paying attention when that happens. Me a black panther. It
Speaker 1: made stars of everybody. Letitia right, coming from black mirror
Speaker 1: exactly that. Now it's like everyone's like, you're sure, you're
Speaker 1: amazing black to black like the cover of lethal weapon,
Speaker 1: you know. And I didn't mess that up. I meant
Speaker 1: black to black, black mirror to black. Panther's right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so we okay, what I will say? So tying that
Speaker 1: to what's next at the very end, Bucky popping out
Speaker 1: the white sure, yeah, the white wolf popping out. He
Speaker 1: looked good? Would he look like he's gotten some rest?
Speaker 1: And which will we We can debate on whether they
Speaker 1: were calling him the white Wolf or referencing him as
Speaker 1: the white Wolf, because there is a character in Black
Speaker 1: Panther lore called the White Wolf, which is a white
Speaker 1: character that Chaka took under his wing. He realized that
Speaker 1: he was not going to ever have the mantle of
Speaker 1: the Black Panther when to Chola was born, and so
Speaker 1: there was a secret uh secret police for Wakonda that
Speaker 1: was disbanded when to child took off. Honestly, I do
Speaker 1: think they're probably just going to pass the man's Debucky,
Speaker 1: because there's not enough time to set that up. And
Speaker 1: I kind of hope they do because that is a
Speaker 1: good because if they go that route, where they talk
Speaker 1: about like a secret police for Waconda. You feel like
Speaker 1: that blends in perfectly for the story Tennahsey Coats built
Speaker 1: true true in the comic books. Absolutely, I have to
Speaker 1: plug real quick. Um Coats was on Marin's podcast and
Speaker 1: it was so good. Man. He was talking when he
Speaker 1: took over Black Panther and like some of this stuff
Speaker 1: that he was dealing and where he wanted to take it,
Speaker 1: and like how his first book failed and just like, Oh,
Speaker 1: listening to it is just so fascinating. Definitely listen to
Speaker 1: it when you're done with this. One is writing the
Speaker 1: Captain America comic this summer, which is which is a
Speaker 1: big deal. I mean, I've loved his Black Panther stuff,
Speaker 1: but I really cannot wait to see what he does
Speaker 1: with Steve Rogers Captain America. So we are rounding it out.
Speaker 1: This is uh this week dropping Avengers and Finity the War.
Speaker 1: We will all be seeing it together. Yeah, but let's
Speaker 1: give the people what they want, which is what I
Speaker 1: was cut off Frier away, what did you stay in
Speaker 1: chronological order? But I'm glad we did because everything that
Speaker 1: we talked about will make what I'm saying makes sense
Speaker 1: if you did not know before, so I think Danny partner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course the best. So my idea is that Infinity
Speaker 1: War we still have Scarlet Witch. Non comic fans are
Speaker 1: unaware of the House of v I know where you're
Speaker 1: going with this. I'm gonna give it. If he had
Speaker 1: a few minutes here, he's going to explain this. So
Speaker 1: the House of Him was an event in the comics.
Speaker 1: It happened after Civil War, right now, before before Civil War. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: because it kind of blended in with Before Civil War,
Speaker 1: Scarlet Witch had issues mentally, was schizophrenic. She kind of
Speaker 1: broke down a little bit. Yeah, she had like a
Speaker 1: mental breakdown, and this was a problem. They were like,
Speaker 1: someone who has the power to bend reality should not
Speaker 1: have a mental breakdown. And so they brought in the
Speaker 1: X Men and the Avengers and they're like, we need
Speaker 1: to kill her because this is too big of a threat.
Speaker 1: And the X Men are like, you don't even get
Speaker 1: to say, Avengers, She's with us, this is our family.
Speaker 1: You And this created an event that eventually lad Scarlet
Speaker 1: Witch to mutter the words no mutants, which how many
Speaker 1: mutants did it cut it down to? Out of millions
Speaker 1: around the world. She depowered mutants when she said no
Speaker 1: more mutants, and it just you know, around the world,
Speaker 1: this big blink happened and people lost their powers except
Speaker 1: for the that ended up forming around the X Men
Speaker 1: mansion in Westchester, New York for protection. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's so. So are you saying that the Scarlet Witch
Speaker 1: is going to manipulate reality in this I feel like
Speaker 1: the Scarlet Witch is going to manipulate and do a
Speaker 1: flip of House of Him where instead of saying no
Speaker 1: more mutants, she speaks to the existence of mutants and
Speaker 1: then bringing the X Men into our world. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why no one wants to say the title
Speaker 1: because it's Avengers versus x Men. Really you think is
Speaker 1: going to be Avengers versus x Men. That's that's a
Speaker 1: bold move me a little bit. And maybe you know,
Speaker 1: you and I were talking about this hector about some
Speaker 1: and I think maybe they could have someone from X
Speaker 1: Men show up. Maybe. I mean, I've heard rumors. I've
Speaker 1: heard rumors that like we might see the Silver Surfer,
Speaker 1: but I'm like that that's still a Fox thing. But
Speaker 1: like you're saying earlier, if at the beginning of the show,
Speaker 1: these companies have these deals in that out months and
Speaker 1: if you do want to say your theory goes along
Speaker 1: with if you're like Mutants, you know, we have the
Speaker 1: New Mutants film. Yeah, so I feel like that could be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see what you mean. It could They're all playing
Speaker 1: ball together and we don't know. Maybe. I think that
Speaker 1: whatever happens, I just want to see Ryan Reynolds continue
Speaker 1: to play Deadpool if there's ever like emerging like that, right,
Speaker 1: And he's allowed to because that character is the character
Speaker 1: that breaks the fourth wall. Yeah, so like that's allowed.
Speaker 1: But I do not want to see Hugh Jackman as Wolverine,
Speaker 1: And I do not want to see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I don't because I'm like, I think that era of
Speaker 1: those movies are done. Well. I feel like he closed
Speaker 1: the book. He closed the book specifically, but even that
Speaker 1: kind of era, that sort of Fox X Men movies
Speaker 1: where they're just kind of like figuring it out as
Speaker 1: they go along movie to movie, it's like we're done.
Speaker 1: If Marvel Cinematic Universe were to get if Marvel Studios
Speaker 1: were to get the X Men characters, they will have
Speaker 1: that plan to be like here's the characters are introducing
Speaker 1: first this is the bad guy. We can plant these seeds. Boom, boom, boom.
Speaker 1: But how would you feel about the first class X Men?
Speaker 1: I would be okay with I think that a great
Speaker 1: way to do it is you've got Tom Holland, who
Speaker 1: Spider Man, right, he's in Queens. I think that you
Speaker 1: introduced the idea that around the year two thousand, two
Speaker 1: thousand three, way more mutants started being born. So by
Speaker 1: the time you get to whatever, they're like in their
Speaker 1: early twenties or they're like in their teens, and that
Speaker 1: becomes the class that Xavier is barely sort of teaching.
Speaker 1: Xavier was maybe born in the eighties. You know, he's
Speaker 1: not super old. Magneto still has to be a Holocaust
Speaker 1: survivor from World War Two. He just ages very slowly.
Speaker 1: But just make it so that mutants are a relatively
Speaker 1: new thing. I think it's doable to entry. You don't
Speaker 1: have to do every character all at once. Boom, we
Speaker 1: got all of them. We've got thousands of X Men characters.
Speaker 1: Take it slow, give us that first group and pick
Speaker 1: characters that are diverse but still kind of make up
Speaker 1: those classic iconic characters. Find great actors like you found
Speaker 1: Tom Holland give us a new X Men movie set
Speaker 1: in the world, and then you're good to go. Okay,
Speaker 1: how man would you be if all the Avengers are
Speaker 1: knocked out and that Cats just standing tall with the
Speaker 1: shield and and he's looking weak. He drops his shield
Speaker 1: and Fanos come in from a punch and then a
Speaker 1: claw it zooms out and it's uh huge check. Ye,
Speaker 1: I'd be pretty mad. So I think we'd not like that. So,
Speaker 1: my my, I think that they're at least going to
Speaker 1: kill cap Um probably. Yeah, you know, we've already seen. Please,
Speaker 1: you've got so many I mean, I get it, but
Speaker 1: there has to be some weight to this. They can't
Speaker 1: just keep having these. But like, that's the thing though
Speaker 1: with a lot of these films, is that the stakes
Speaker 1: aren't as high because nobody does because they're so bankable
Speaker 1: and we came to love them. I have some interesting
Speaker 1: picks for deaths for my dead Pool. I definitely think
Speaker 1: cap might be one of them. I have as around.
Speaker 1: We got to talk about that. Well, I think she
Speaker 1: might be reborn. Yeah, here's what are you talking about? Danny.
Speaker 1: Don't like that reborn? What does that even mean? Okay,
Speaker 1: Hulk gets killed. Okay, and they introduce Asian Holp. What
Speaker 1: about she Hulk she hoped would be tight to. I
Speaker 1: would take either one. I take I'm a Days Show
Speaker 1: the totally awesome Holk, or I would take Jennifer Walter's
Speaker 1: Bruce Banner's cousin as the Sheeholk. We even't one of
Speaker 1: those to be fine. Yeah, And the other brilliant thing
Speaker 1: about this franchise is that they've been planting seeds from
Speaker 1: the beginning for the legacy of these characters to continue
Speaker 1: to be passed on to new iterations. Even sureI introduced
Speaker 1: us to Chilla's sister, it's like she becomes Black Panther.
Speaker 1: At some point she becomes She's Black Panthers went down
Speaker 1: that depressing hole where it's like, you know, what if
Speaker 1: they do kill that's not going to happen. What if
Speaker 1: they do like it would be a bold move. It
Speaker 1: would have to be it would have to be five
Speaker 1: or it would have to be after second Black Panther. There,
Speaker 1: he's getting one more Black Panther film. At least they
Speaker 1: killed my Man's and sure he's the new Black Panther
Speaker 1: not and then he comes back. It'll happen with the death.
Speaker 1: See that's the thing that that that that that Black
Speaker 1: Panther did not include that I think. Okay, So in
Speaker 1: the comics, he's not powered by a flower. Okay, he
Speaker 1: gets the power from the spirit of the god Black
Speaker 1: Panthers Bust, Yeah, Bust and the panther god the to God.
Speaker 1: And that's how they were able to co exist Suri
Speaker 1: and T'Challa as both Black Panther because remember after the
Speaker 1: events when he took over Hell's kitchen, he came back
Speaker 1: and Boston bued him with the power of death and
Speaker 1: black and sure he was Black Panther of life. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: they could do. But but I don't know, because well
Speaker 1: they did plant a seed, because they do show in
Speaker 1: the little uh animation at the up top of Black
Speaker 1: Panther someone communicating with bost They do, yeah, and maybe
Speaker 1: they burned. So I don't know. There's just so many
Speaker 1: seeds that have been planted for potential stories, for potential characters,
Speaker 1: for potential villains, for potential love interest, for potential sidekicks,
Speaker 1: for potential new characters that pick up the mantle of
Speaker 1: the old characters. Even in Spider Man Homecoming, Donald Glover,
Speaker 1: who plays Aaron Davis as I got a nephew here.
Speaker 1: He's talking about Miles Morales like those seeds are planted
Speaker 1: so they could do whatever they want and I'm here
Speaker 1: for it. All right. Well, I think that's all you
Speaker 1: need to know. Where can people find you? Find me?
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