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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and Welcome back to Coast to Coast George Norri

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Speaker 1: back with Lynn high Tower In. Lynn has a degree

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Speaker 1: in journalism from the University of Kentucky, where she studied

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Speaker 1: creative writing. She teaches as a master novel classes in

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Speaker 1: the UCLA Extension Writers Program and has worked with private

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Speaker 1: clients as a manuscript consultant and writing coach. She's the

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Speaker 1: author of numerous thrillers, including the Sonora Blair in Lena

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Speaker 1: Paget detective series. She has written the Piper the Latent project,

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Speaker 1: which we talked about back in March of this year. Lynn,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. How have you been. I've been great. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me back. I'm looking forward to this and

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Speaker 1: it's a great time. This Halloween season kind of kicks

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Speaker 1: off Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's It's great, isn't it. It's fabulous.

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Speaker 1: I just love it. Why do people like to be scared? Oh,

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Speaker 1: because it's the mystery of the unknown, and there are

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Speaker 1: And they will go any place anywhere to get scared,

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Speaker 1: won't they. They will they will because you know, when

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Speaker 1: you read it or you watch it, your neurons actually

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Speaker 1: fire as if you're living it, but you are safe.

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Speaker 1: When you were writing the Enlightenment Project, you had some

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Speaker 1: episodes occur yourself, didn't you. I did pretty consistently because

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Speaker 1: I get up very early to write, sometimes three or

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Speaker 1: and I curl up with my puppy, usually as asleep.

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Speaker 1: She's also a very large German shepherd, and she will

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Speaker 1: something major to her, she will patrol the house. She

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Speaker 1: will insist on going outside. She's going to run this

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Speaker 1: no idea, but it's very creepy because she wakes up

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Speaker 1: out of a very deep sleep and she sees something

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Speaker 1: this dog. If she gives me an alert, there's something

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Speaker 1: going on. For our new listeners who are just joining us,

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Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about the Enlightenment Project. The

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Speaker 1: Enlightenment Project is focused on Noah Archer, who's a neurosurgeon,

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Speaker 1: very much a science guy, who is possessed at the

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Speaker 1: age of eleven. So he has no choice but to

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Speaker 1: believe that there is something out there and that there

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Speaker 1: to come up with a medical protocol to help people

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Speaker 1: I'm told you're writing a sequel to this book, are you?

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Speaker 1: I am? I am. It's called The Darkness in Provence,

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Speaker 1: and it's based on a place that's real, and I've

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Speaker 1: in trust implicitly, and I have never heard of anything

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Speaker 1: more terrifying in my life. Where is it exactly in France?

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Speaker 1: There are two places, one in France and one here

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Speaker 1: in Kentucky. There's a place in Kentucky. Yes, tell us

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Speaker 1: about this spot. Well, it's so strange. It's in the

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Speaker 1: most beautiful bit of countryside you could possibly imagine, gorgeous

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Speaker 1: They're just going to all tell you the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Get out and don't look back, and don't look back.

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Speaker 1: What makes a place so haunted when what happens to it? Well,

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Speaker 1: Lynn tell us one of the scariest stories you've come across,

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Speaker 1: in this place that I'm writing about the sequel You mean, yes.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? That is weird? That that to me

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Speaker 1: Absolutely not. I don't blame you. So you wouldn't spend

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Speaker 1: Why don't we do a show one night with you

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Speaker 1: in the haunted place and we're talking to you. You

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