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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my

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Speaker 1: name is no and Ben you are you that makes

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Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know? I want

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Speaker 1: to check in with everybody. We're We're at the end

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Speaker 1: for the weekend. It's almost end of the month. To

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Speaker 1: already almost into February. I feel like this month has

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Speaker 1: achieved some weird form of time control, like it's extended

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Speaker 1: out in my mind to feel like a much longer

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Speaker 1: period of time than it's actually been. Yeah, we've been

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Speaker 1: of the month. Of course, I like millions of other

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Speaker 1: Americans play Bone Thugs and Harmony first of the month

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Speaker 1: I miss my Michael, Charles y'all. One day, one day,

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Speaker 1: maybe we can we can finally finish that Chick fil

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Speaker 1: A based parody song we wrote about using the melody

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Speaker 1: of Bone Thugs and Harmony. The reason we're talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, we've all been traveling more. We'll be traveling

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Speaker 1: more over this year, especially as a show. And today's

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Speaker 1: episode is about someone who went on their own journey, uh,

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Speaker 1: person named Alsa Lamb. On February first, a twenty one

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Speaker 1: year old Canadian college student named Elisa Lamb vanished while

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Speaker 1: staying at the Cecil Hotel in downtown Los Angeles. Now,

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Speaker 1: She was traveling alone via amtrack and she was taking

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Speaker 1: video of Elisa Lamb in an elevator? May I describe it?

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Speaker 1: Yes please? In this video released by the l A

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Speaker 1: We don't quite know what, but the doors the elevator

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Speaker 1: On February, hotel maintenance employee named Santiago Lopez hiked a

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Speaker 1: life of Alisa Lamb. Here's what we know. Here are

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Speaker 1: the facts UM. Her parents immigrated from Hong Kong to

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Speaker 1: And we will explore those theories in just a moment

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Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors. Now. In the days

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Speaker 1: um fascinating Noel, right, Um, but you own your words,

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Speaker 1: is gone, you know, and if your child is gone,

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00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: then that's the beginning of something that is going to

432
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: continue for years and maybe never ends. And they have

433
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: to go to the to this court room, to stand

434
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: in front of these strangers to say, you know, people

435
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: shouldn't die when they go to your hotel, Our daughter

436
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 1: shouldn't die. And it's and it's tough. You know, I

437
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: do not envy. Well, there's always a need to find answers,

438
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: and sometimes that leads to a sense for retaliation against

439
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: a perceived enemy, you know, and antagonists. Um. But we

440
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: should also mention that, you know, bipolar disorder manifests itself

441
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: across a very large spectrum. I mean, I've known people

442
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: that were considered bipolar, and these behaviors, these manic episodes

443
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: followed by these depressive episodes. There really mild and it's

444
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: very manageable, but given a further trip down that spectrum,

445
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: you could find yourself in a place where you would

446
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 1: be driven to do something like this. Well, your perception

447
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 1: of your environment reality UH takes takes a hard left.

448
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a very serious thing, and it

449
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: does have a spectrum and it does have degrees, and

450
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: especially if you depending on what cocktail you have running

451
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: through your body of drugs, right, And so that's that's

452
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: a good point to There is an autopsy report that

453
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 1: you can find in PDF form online and this this

454
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: thing has some good news. There was a hair and

455
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: feurnale kit done, no evidence of physical trauma nor of

456
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: sexual assault. They also found no evidence this is interesting

457
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: that she would suggest Lamb had committed suicide. So that's

458
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: why it's ruled as an accidental drowning, and they do

459
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: site bipolar disorder as a significant factor. They also found

460
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: her clothes that she's wearing in the elevator video floating

461
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,959
Speaker 1: in the water beside her UH, coated with a quoting

462
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: here sand like particulate. I'm not sure where it came from,

463
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: and her watching room key were there too. Toxicology tests

464
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: were done on her blood, and they found traces of

465
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: her prescription medication. She was on a long list she had.

466
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: She had a long history of taking medication. It's probably

467
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: a better way to say it. Uh. She also had

468
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: non prescription drugs like sign a tap iby profen. She

469
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 1: had point zero two percent alcohol in her blood, but

470
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: there were no recreational drugs in her system. And I

471
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: mean point zero two is like a beer. Yeah, you know,

472
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: well it's the body is also breaking down at this point,

473
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: that's true. And so how long was it before that

474
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: she was she was discovered, Just to make that clear

475
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: one more time, Yes, so from February one to February

476
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: so two weeks, little between two and three weeks. Yeah,

477
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: And the full autopsy report was released four months later

478
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: in June. But on February the coroner's office ruled it

479
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: an accidental drowning. There are so many unexplained things that

480
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:53,239
Speaker 1: that occurred that night and then from that date up

481
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: until she was found and even now today, and there

482
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: are so many ideas about what this could be, about

483
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: what could have happened. Some of them even veer into

484
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: this spooky maybe, I mean almost a sense that there

485
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: were some occult activity going on some of the message

486
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: boards and various postings and sort of more conspiracy conspiracy

487
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: oriented forums and groups that I've seen, um you know,

488
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: talk about this case in the same breath as Alistair Crowley,

489
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: the kinds of summoning rituals that he would have done

490
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 1: with these hand movements, the touts that we were talking

491
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: about earlier, or um with the possession, the demon possession,

492
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: kind of versions of the story with this being a

493
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: bad place, very much like the movie pet Cemetery which

494
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: came up unrelated to this, actually talking about locations of

495
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: the filming, but you know that had to do with

496
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: a location that was built on the soul, the saw

497
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: tainted ground ground. Richard Ramirez also was a practicing uh occultist.

498
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: He practiced what he considered to be left hand path

499
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: magical rituals, and this is something that I think is

500
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: thrown around far too often. But another thing that I

501
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: seems to pop up a lot about this case is

502
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: that this is an example of some sort of Illuminati

503
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: ritual exposed to the public um in a way that

504
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: perhaps the ones perpetrating it wouldn't have wanted to happen.

505
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: So let's continue down this path. This rabbit hole. Let's

506
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: look at some more extraordinary theories regarding this incident. After

507
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: a quick word from our sponsors. One of the strangest

508
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: accounts that we read. One of the strangest theories we

509
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: found regarding the events on the night of February first

510
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: was an urban legend that originated in Korea, and it

511
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: is called the Elevator Game. This is completely speculative. We

512
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 1: have not played this game. I don't know if we

513
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: would want to. I cannot wait to do this. The

514
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 1: idea I would rank this in the old dare Daring

515
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 1: your friends to do stuff games that so many people

516
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: play growing up, turning off the lights, saying bloody Mary

517
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 1: several times in a mirror things right, candy Man. So

518
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: the ideas that by performing a certain ritual in an

519
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: elevator very specific when you will arrive at a slightly

520
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: off kilter plane of existence. And I'll read some stuff

521
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 1: from just the account of the elevator game. According to

522
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: people that have completed the game successfully, it looks the

523
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: same as the town and building that from when you emerge,

524
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: but all the lights are off. You can only see

525
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: a red cross in the distance. You're the only living

526
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: thing in this plane, and for the most part, electronics

527
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: don't work. If you manage to get to this strange place,

528
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: returning to the real world is more difficult. You will

529
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 1: grow disorderented. The elevator door will seem to grow further

530
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: and further away as you walk toward it. Only one

531
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: person can play the game at a time. It can

532
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: only be performed in a building at least ten stories

533
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: high with at least one elevator in it. Otherwise you

534
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: cannot proceed. And they have the instructions for traveling, and

535
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: we don't have to go through all of this, but

536
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: one of the ideas would be you enter the well

537
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: the basic steps. You enter the elevator from the first

538
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: floor by yourself. If anyone else gets on, you cannot

539
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: continue the ritual and you have to wait until you

540
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: can take the elevator alone. You press the button for

541
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: the fourth floor. When it reaches the fourth floor, you

542
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 1: stay inside the elevator and press the button of the

543
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: second floor. Don't get out. When you reach the second floor,

544
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: stay in and press the button for the sixth floor,

545
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: and then after that don't get out. Remain in the elevator,

546
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: go back to the second floor, and once you reach

547
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: the second floor, press the button for the tenth floor,

548
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: and if you hear anything calling to you on the

549
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: second floor, do not reply. Don't answer. And then once

550
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: you're so it's very intricate, right, this pattern of buttons. Right, So,

551
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 1: once you reach the tenth floor, stay on and press

552
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: the button for the fifth floor. This is the creepy part.

553
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: They say that when you enter the when you when

554
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: you get to the fifth floor, after you've done this

555
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: series of buttons, a woman will enter a stranger, A

556
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: strange woman will enter the elevator, and she'll try to

557
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: talk to you, and you can't acknowledge them. She might

558
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: person might even appear as someone you are familiar with,

559
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: according to the legend, the old high school friend, co worker. UH.

560
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: And then you press the it's important that you don't

561
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: look at this person all. And if you press the

562
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: button to head to the first floor, this is when

563
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: you know the ritual worked correctly, because you'll push the

564
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: button for the first floor and instead of going to

565
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: the first floor, you go to the tenth. You start

566
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 1: going up, and then if you reach the tenth floor,

567
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: you can stay on her exit the elevator. UH. Some

568
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: have said that when they are trying to leave. The

569
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: woman will try one last time to engage with you.

570
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: She may raise your voice, she may shriek at you.

571
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: There's only one way to know. Whether you travel to

572
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: the other world, for sure, you will be the only

573
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: living thing there. And then they have instructions to get

574
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: back to the get back to the actual world, our world. Uh,

575
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: and they're they're they're pretty detailed. So this has all

576
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 1: the makings of an urban legend, right. It has all

577
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: the tropes. It has a it has the fear of strangers.

578
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: It has the importance of ritual and rule following. It

579
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: has anonymity and authors. It has no specific examples of

580
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: times that this occurred. So, uh, the best way for

581
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: you and die and everyone else to find out whether

582
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: this works would be to attempt it here. We cannot

583
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: attempt it in our office because our office is not

584
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: ten stories, so that would be a different ritual really fast.

585
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: Along with these things that you're listening off about, what

586
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: makes it an urban legend. One issue here is that electronics.

587
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: Most electronics don't seem to work or for the most part,

588
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: or which you know, you try and film this so

589
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: you can put it on YouTube and show yourself going

590
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: to an alternate plane. It's probably not gonna happen because

591
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: electronics don't work. Also, you need to be alone, and

592
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: would that violate one of the rules by having a

593
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: camera which is in some way an infinite number of viewers. Yeah,

594
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: but how about this fellas. Another thing about urban legends

595
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 1: is that they're you know, cobbled together from bits of

596
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: things that may or may not be true. The thing

597
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: you end up with is sort of the product of

598
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: a game of telephone played over generations. Sometimes, you know,

599
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: what if a story like this, what if there was

600
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: some truth to it? What if the procedure outlined here

601
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: is not exactly right. What if someone really had the

602
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: right way of doing this and did involve an elevator.

603
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it involves some strange hand gestures. Maybe it involved,

604
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, pressing a certain row of buttons all the way,

605
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: And maybe there's an apparition of some sort in that

606
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: elevator footage that is being communicated with in some way.

607
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't usually go for this kind of stuff,

608
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: but this story really got my imagination going, and I

609
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: can't help but think of that tumbler image that was

610
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: posted after Melissa Lamb's death so long after, of a

611
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: single lightbulb with another world contained inside, hanging from a

612
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: string against a drab backdrop. It just kind of represents

613
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: to me this idea of a different world going to

614
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: a different place. Yeah, that you know, that's a very

615
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: good point. Noally. Also, it also calls to mind our

616
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: discussion about rituals and grim wis. You know, the idea

617
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: that maybe there is a real ritual and it it

618
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: just isn't specifically explained correctly. And we do know the

619
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: one thing that escapes a lot of people about folk

620
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: tales and fairy tales. It's easy to dismiss them. But

621
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: like Noel said, with the game of telephone for generations,

622
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: these are cobbled from very very old old stories. All

623
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: so many of those urban legends that you may hear

624
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: about UFOs began as stories of gods and mountains and

625
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: evil spirits or fairies or faye. And so this likely

626
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 1: does have the DNA, you might say, of of something else.

627
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: And the way that the way that they associate the

628
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 1: people who believe that this elevator game through the way

629
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: they associated is with exactly as you pointed out, the

630
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: button pushing and the deliberate seeming motions that this person takes.

631
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: But I wonder if anybody has thought about the point

632
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: that you made, which I don't think I've heard. I

633
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 1: think this is the first time I've thought about it.

634
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: The lightbulb image. Uh, not to poke holes in the

635
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 1: theory too much, but Alisa Lamb, at least according to

636
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: the video, never travels on the elevator, stays on one floor.

637
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,320
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you brought that up because people who

638
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: claim to be video editor experts have controversial views about that.

639
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: And this is where I wanted to defer to you, guys,

640
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 1: to your expertise. Do you think the video is edited?

641
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: I know the time stamp is obscured in the original

642
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: because several people watched it and said that it was

643
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,920
Speaker 1: edited for people who are not, you know, pursuing some

644
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: kind of uh, supernatural or extraordinary explanation. The people who

645
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 1: think there is a conspiracy, perhaps on the part of

646
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: the hotel or perhaps even on the l A p D.

647
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: On the l A p D s end uh. They

648
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: say that there was someone else visible on the camera,

649
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: but time had been cut out or spliced. And and

650
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: I wanted to know what what you guys, think of that.

651
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: The biggest thing for me in watching it is I

652
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: cannot find a good enough rip of the original one.

653
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: The the video that's posted under what is it Dennis Romero?

654
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: That's the one with seventeen million views that we were

655
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: talking about, and then that's obviously the most commonly viewed

656
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: one just from the numbers, but it is so pixelated

657
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: and everything, like the numbers at the bottom of the

658
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: time code or what I'm assuming is time code on

659
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: the bottom left hand corner. It's just it looks strange

660
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: to me, and it's so little quality that it would

661
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: be very hard to determine whether or not this thing

662
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: was affected in post somehow to look in a certain way,

663
00:43:56,520 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: because you could manipulate the contents of this imagery fairly easily. Okay,

664
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: So in that case, it's sort of inconclusive. That's what

665
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: I would say. Okay, what do you think? It wasn't

666
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: anything that would have been easy to edit that actually

667
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: hit me about it. It was just more the way

668
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: she moved, you know, it was like the way she

669
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: the things that she did. So you are you saying

670
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: that like it may have been there may have been

671
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: parts of it that were edited out, perhaps where the

672
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: elevator was in motion, where she did get on and

673
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: took the elevator to another floor, or someone else did

674
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 1: at some point get on the elevator with her here

675
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: on camera, and then the numbers down here that it

676
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: appears to be a time code that's in white as

677
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: the primary color, and then there's either a drop shadow

678
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: or a black background on top of the numbers, and

679
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: that's generally not what you see in time code. Perhaps

680
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: it is for this system that's used in the hotel,

681
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: but it looks strange to me as someone who works

682
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: with video on a daily basis. Why does it matter

683
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: whether it moved or not? Um, I guess for more

684
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: information on her travels, like whether she was truly alone,

685
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 1: and you know, if that, if it was available to

686
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: the police, then they would know and that would be

687
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: part of the investigation hopefully. And I'll put on my

688
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: I'll put I'll put on my Johnathan cap here for

689
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: a second to and say that the one of one

690
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: of the people who believed that the video was edited

691
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: as some sort of conspiracy. Maybe if there was a

692
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: if there was a murder and was someone at the

693
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: hotel or something, the their idea is that it was

694
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: edited to cut that person off from appearing on camera. However,

695
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,720
Speaker 1: we should also point out that even unto the idea

696
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 1: of door locks and stuff, this is kind of a

697
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: CD hotel or a budget hotel, right, and it's got

698
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: a lot of history. But also it's not as likely

699
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:59,720
Speaker 1: to follow procedures to a t including stuff like elevator

700
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: maye nets. So if it's an older elevator, it could

701
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: just be malfunctioning. I don't know if that's the case.

702
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to the elevator maintenance guy, I haven't

703
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: checked their paperwork from but that does seem to be

704
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:15,320
Speaker 1: a possibility. If someone were to be murdered in a hotel,

705
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 1: is the hotel libel to the family of the victim.

706
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I guess it would only

707
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 1: be through if it were through negligence. So if we were,

708
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: I don't want to use us. For example, who are

709
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: other coworkers Jonathan? Okay, sure, he's gonna love this episode,

710
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: all right, So if Jonathan, we're in uh, we're in

711
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: a hotel room, and he invited guests over and one

712
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: of let's keep his hands clean. One of his friends

713
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: murdered another one of his friends in an argument over

714
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: the Renaissance Festival. Clue style clues style, yes, yeah, okay,

715
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: clue style. Uh it was Aberil von Battenborough in unit

716
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,399
Speaker 1: with the chopsticks, with the chopsticks. Okay, yeah, I knew

717
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 1: you were there. That's brutal. Von Battenborough is a very

718
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: brutal man, even when he's out of character. Well, what

719
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: would happen then, As I think the who, and I'm

720
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: not a lawyer, I think the hotel would not be

721
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: responsible because they, on their part, did nothing wrong to

722
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: assist that if you are at a hotel, you can

723
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: usually bring guests, and if the hotel's rooms and units

724
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: are up to code in terms of safety and everything,

725
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: then there's nothing wrong if they if it could be

726
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 1: proven that the person at the counter, let's say our

727
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: coworker Lauren was at the counter there as the as

728
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: the clerk, and this Admiral von Batberg guy said I'm

729
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 1: going up to you know, I'm going to murder one

730
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: of Jonathan Strickland's friends. And she didn't call the cops,

731
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: then she would be liable as an individual. But what

732
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 1: about even if like an employee of the hotel gave

733
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: someone information that finding someone that didn't want to be found,

734
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: for example. Yeah, Like, I just wonder that's a really

735
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: good point because that happens on both sides of the law.

736
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 1: That happens when police are hunting down a missing person

737
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: or someone who committed a crime and is on the run.

738
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: But that also would happen, you know, with an abusive

739
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: spouse or a hit man. That's a very good question.

740
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: I'm interested. We should throw this to the listeners. Ladies

741
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: and gentlemen, if you have a history in the hospitality business,

742
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: we would like to know, uh, purely for informational purposes, right,

743
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: no plans, right, Okay, So we would like to know

744
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 1: how how that legally works, because a lot of hotels,

745
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,879
Speaker 1: by the by the mirror, by their mere existence as

746
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: temporary housing, could plausibly have any of the crimes that

747
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: occur in in a permanent house occur there murder, assault, theft, kidnapping,

748
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: and so at what point is the hotel liable? This

749
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: is really making me rethink hotels. Man. I never ever

750
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: say at some place that you don't control really fast

751
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: this video, I just I was looking back through it

752
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: again as you guys are having that discussion, and at

753
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: two fifty six in the time code of the Dennish

754
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: Romero version, there is clearly, clearly a stop in the

755
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 1: time code, pausing the video in the doors begins closing.

756
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: That's one of the places that people I went through

757
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: the comments, that's one of the places that people have

758
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: noticed something is off. And you'll see a few instances

759
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: of that where you can clearly tell that whatever time

760
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 1: code is generated at the bottom skips a bit and

761
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: or stops. So is it possible then that it could

762
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: be just a cut for time? Is it possible that

763
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: the law enforcement just dispersed the most relevant part of

764
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: Absolutely possible for our footage, But we won't know unless

765
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 1: we were told that directly by someone who was on

766
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: the case. And there is one other theory, one final

767
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: theory that we found that is a very strange coincidence.

768
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: That's what I'm gonna call this one, a very strange coincidence,

769
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: and it ultimately ties into or implicitly ties into the

770
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: concept of human experimentation. When Eliza Lamb was in California

771
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: at this time, there was a tuberculosis tests occurring, a

772
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 1: large scale one, and the goals of this were too

773
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: combat the rise of drug resistant TB noble aspiration. It

774
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: is a one that is important to the species as

775
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: a whole. The official name of this test of this

776
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: project was Lamb Elisa L A M E L I

777
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: S A, the same spelling of Eliza's Aliza Lamb's name,

778
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: Eliza Lamb the person. Because of this very strange coincidence,

779
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: many people have speculated that the disappearance and death are

780
00:51:52,280 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: somehow related. And because of this, as well as some

781
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: other problems with the autopsy report or cited controversies with

782
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: the autopsy report, uh, people believe that maybe this was

783
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:14,280
Speaker 1: the tip of an iceberg of another mass human experimentation.

784
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 1: And as much as um, as much as we would

785
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: the three of us would like to say, no, that's crazy,

786
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: that would never happen. We've looked at cases where the

787
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 1: US government conducted widespread and dangerous experiments on its own

788
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: population in St. Louis in southern California, and uh, they

789
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,240
Speaker 1: gave people syphilis or or excuse me, the official story

790
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: is they just didn't treat syphilis. They looked at the effect.

791
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: They looked at the effects, so we knew know that

792
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: human experimentation occurs. However, What we also know is that

793
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: the public tends to find out about this decades decades later.

794
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: And it's the old Wegia board argument, right like, if

795
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: there is a really, if there really is a way

796
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 1: to contact the afterlife, is it in a mass produced

797
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:13,439
Speaker 1: game by Parker Brothers And still no proof? If there

798
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:19,799
Speaker 1: is a if there is a vast nefarious citywide or

799
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:27,799
Speaker 1: you know, large scale secret human experimentation project, are they

800
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: going to name it after one of the people involved?

801
00:53:32,560 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's like calling it That's

802
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: like Matt Frederick having a human sacrifice ring operating in

803
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: Arabia Mountain and the seventies and then having putting out

804
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: a public notice about Matt Frederick's hop secret human sacrifice

805
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: ring the sacrifice dash human right or Yeah right dot org.

806
00:53:54,280 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: It's a nonprofit, so that coincidence, while strange, with the

807
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,360
Speaker 1: information we have now, it's tough to call it anything else.

808
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: And at this point, it seems like the majority of

809
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: people believed that this was a very unfortunate, tragic, heartbreaking

810
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:22,280
Speaker 1: incident that happened completely involving Eliza Lamb. On our own, however,

811
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: we would like to know what you think are the

812
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: questions that people opposing um, are they utter bunk or

813
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: the malarkey? Is there something more to the story? And

814
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: while you're at it, uh, what other unexplained disappearances or

815
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: deaths would you like us to explore in the future.

816
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: Let us know what you think. And speaking of hearing

817
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: from you, what do you say, guys, should we do

818
00:54:54,600 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: chat at konners? Our first shout out goes to Jacob

819
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: also known as Hancho Hancho underscore one. Is it all

820
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: right that I said that, Jacob? I hope so, because

821
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: I did. Have you guys ever looked into you and

822
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: Agenda twenty one? Oh yes, we have, sir, supposedly quote

823
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 1: the naked communist ties in with it. I had a

824
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: human growth and development professor that made us watch the

825
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: documentary Agenda Grinding America Down. Well, we have covered Agenda

826
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: twenty one in video form. You can find that on

827
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: our YouTube channel or at stuff they don't want you

828
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: to know dot Com The best U r L in

829
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: the history of the internets. And this is this has

830
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: to do with food production and well, there's a lot

831
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 1: of stuff that goes into Agenda twenty one. It's characterized

832
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: as a sustainable, as a voluntary Action plan for sustainable

833
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: development means that, uh, they're hoping to combat poverty, They're

834
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:12,280
Speaker 1: hoping to create more more legal protection for environmental concerns

835
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 1: to forestation, bio diversity, control, pollution, et cetera. Opponents of

836
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: it to say typically say that this is removing severenity,

837
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: uh and agency from individual countries. And this is a

838
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: huge this is a huge documents three fifty pages. It's

839
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: forty chapters long. I have I I am always surprised

840
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: when someone has read the entire thing. Uh. And it's

841
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: not too popular in the US. Well, here's the best

842
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: way to say it, Hancho. June two twelve, poll of

843
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: US voters found nine percent of the people supported it,

844
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: six percent of it, six percent opposed it, and said

845
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: they didn't have an opinion because because they didn't know

846
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: what it is, because it didn't have enough information. And

847
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: I'm going to check out the documentary you recommended, Grinding

848
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: America Down. I have not seen that yet. Have you

849
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 1: guys seen that? I have not, but you know, just

850
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: from the research I had done previously with you guys

851
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: on this, I don't look at Agenda twenty one kindly

852
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: too much because it does feel like there's maybe something

853
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: to it that gets in I don't want to say

854
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: gets into eugenics too much. It's the population control. It

855
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: feels that way to me, even though that's not stated

856
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: anywhere right any in any of the documents there, they

857
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: are official. It just has that feeling. That's uh the

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Speaker 1: way I view it currently. The main the main criticism

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Speaker 1: I've heard in the West against UH Agenda one is

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Speaker 1: the idea that it is creating a global order and

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Speaker 1: or a global dictatorship. So you'll hear a lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of people say that it is um eroding

863
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Speaker 1: American severenity. Yeah, it's like twenty four years old, now

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Speaker 1: twenty five years old. How time flies? How time flies

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Speaker 1: when you have big plans? Right, thank you for writing

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Speaker 1: in Hancho. We have another shout out. Our second shout

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Speaker 1: out of the day comes from riker Ce Dear Conspiracy, Hey,

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Speaker 1: how's it going, guys. I'm a truck driver, so for

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Speaker 1: around eleven hours a day, I pretty much do anything

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Speaker 1: I can to fight off the boredom. Um you guys,

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Speaker 1: along with the stuff you should no team really make

872
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: my day a lot easier. And I've been binge listening

873
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: a lot of your stuff lately. I've been skipping around

874
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Speaker 1: a lot, but today I listened to your episode on

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Speaker 1: the Fermi Paradox, and I know I'm incredibly late on this,

876
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: but I wanted to add something that I thought would

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Speaker 1: surprise you that you guys did not discuss. In our

878
00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 1: solar system, the Sun takes up about ninety nine percent

879
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Speaker 1: of the matter here. Of the remaining point one percent,

880
00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 1: Jupiter takes up about seventy of that. Uh. In our

881
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 1: own solar system, we're basically nothing. Imagine how hard that

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00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: minuscule amount of matter would be to pick up on

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Speaker 1: various equipment. Um. Yeah, if it even showed up at all,

884
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Speaker 1: it could be attributed to a rounding error. Uh. It's

885
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Speaker 1: entirely likely that an intelligent life form visited our solar

886
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Speaker 1: system in a search for life but just looked us

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Speaker 1: over as a computing error. Just wanted to offer up

888
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Speaker 1: another explanation on the subject. It was one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite episodes. You guys are great, and for my sanity sake,

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Speaker 1: please keep up the awesome work. Also, do you guys

891
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: ever plan on doing any kind of work with Aaron

892
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: from the Lower Podcast? Your cryptid stuff is really interesting.

893
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Speaker 1: And it would be a dream come true to hear

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Speaker 1: that you guys are guest starring or he's guest starring. Well,

895
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Speaker 1: that's cool. We're actually going to be on a bill

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Speaker 1: with Lore at the New York City pod Fest April

897
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Speaker 1: nine at the Bell House in Brooklyn. So maybe we

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Speaker 1: can make make friends. And yeah, technically we can say

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Speaker 1: that we are in a showy technically. Uh, that's a

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01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: that's that's a pretty pretty great idea. Maybe we should

901
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: maybe we should write to him see if you wants

902
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: to hang out, and not to mention the computing era stuff.

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is interesting and looking if

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Speaker 1: you're monitoring, you know, big picture stuff from far, far,

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Speaker 1: far far away. It's true that we are a bit

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Speaker 1: of a spec. We're a blue, tiny bluespec. We are

907
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: not near as important as we think we are. That

908
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Speaker 1: is pretty much the story of human history, right, but

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Speaker 1: the the I really appreciate that, And uh, don't feel bad.

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01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: Don't don't feel bad about being quote unquote late wriker.

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Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. That's a point that I personally didn't

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Speaker 1: consider at all, you know, and it probably works both ways, right,

913
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Speaker 1: because if there's another planet around the same size. Right,

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Speaker 1: even if it's a very advanced advanced civilization, our odds

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Speaker 1: of finding it without are comparatively rudimentary equipment are even

916
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Speaker 1: more infantessimal. It's a big world. It's a big universe.

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Speaker 1: It makes you think. Also, big shout out to your

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Speaker 1: parents Riker for naming you that, or you if you

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Speaker 1: changed your name however got there. And maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: a moniker but cool name. Yeah, these are these are

921
01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: all great names. Hancho, Jacob, it's Jacob. I like Hancho alright, Sorry, sorry, Jacob,

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Speaker 1: I think both of your names are awesome. It's just

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Speaker 1: Hancho seems like such a cool, like street name, you

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Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know I'd roll with Hancho. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'd rule with Hancho too. We've got another shout out

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Speaker 1: for today from somebody else who has an awesome name

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Speaker 1: and is Miranda s. Hey guys, absolutely love the show,

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Speaker 1: been a fan for years and so happy you guys

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Speaker 1: do audio podcasts now as well. I was wondering if

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Speaker 1: maybe you guys could do an episode about the Deep

931
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Speaker 1: have maybe did already? Not sure? Also, vile magic slash

932
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:07,440
Speaker 1: Satanic sects would be an interesting subject. As with the

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Speaker 1: science behind chaos, magic and sigils or their relation to

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Speaker 1: psionic manifestation as a whole. Anyway, keep up the great

935
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Speaker 1: work you guys. Help me breathe through my work day, Miranda.

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Speaker 1: We uh we do. We're we're in luck. We do,

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Speaker 1: in fact have an episode on the Deep Web on

938
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Speaker 1: the on the basics of it um and you can

939
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: also check out some I feel like we have to,

940
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: we have to play nice with our coworker John A.

941
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Speaker 1: Than at the end of this episode. You can also

942
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Speaker 1: check out some of the episodes he has about the

943
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Speaker 1: Deep Web, which are great and uh my favorite one

944
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Speaker 1: personally that we've done is the interview with Alex Winter,

945
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: who made a documentary called the Deep Web or Deep Web. Yeah,

946
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: we uh we did have an interview with him, very

947
01:02:54,880 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 1: very cool guy, very knowledgeable as well. We on on

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Speaker 1: the subject of magic, satanic sex or chaos, magic and sigils.

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Speaker 1: And to be clear S E. C. T. S. Yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you mattuh On on that point, there are we

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Speaker 1: We've done some work on magic in the past, and

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Speaker 1: we we really I think we have a wealth of

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Speaker 1: strange opportunities when it comes to examining specific Uh, specific

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Speaker 1: occult sects like you know no earlier mentioned Alistair Crowley

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Speaker 1: and uh. And we were talking about occult theories in

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Speaker 1: this episode. And I love to delve into the Great Beast,

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Speaker 1: at least conversationally. Yeah, and so we'd like to follow

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Speaker 1: up on that for now. This concludes, and it also

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Speaker 1: concludes today's episode of The Stuff That Wants You Snow Podcast.

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Speaker 1: One more thing though, my god, Matt, I know, come on,

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Speaker 1: I'm not a coffee. If you guys are interested in

962
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Speaker 1: that elevator ritual that we were discussing earlier, there is

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Speaker 1: an Oculus rift experience called the elevator ritual where in

964
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Speaker 1: you get into an elevator and you do the steps

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Speaker 1: where you go up to the second floor, then or no,

966
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Speaker 1: you go up to the fourth floor, then second, sixth, second,

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Speaker 1: eight seconds. You do the whole thing, and there may

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Speaker 1: or may not be an ethereal woman involved, but it

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Speaker 1: sounds exciting. No, thanks, y'all can have that. I don't

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Speaker 1: have an access to an oculus, so I can't really

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Speaker 1: do it. I think the thing is nolan. I are

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Speaker 1: not the guys in horror movies who go what is

973
01:04:43,240 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: that noise? I'm gonna check it out. See that's me

974
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: though I don't. I don't even want to go to

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Speaker 1: like haunted houses and stuff like, you know, the produced ones.

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Speaker 1: I've never been to one. Don't plan on change in

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Speaker 1: that anytime soon. I prefer to be the thing hiding

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Speaker 1: in the dark waiting. Yeah that thing, Matt. Uh believe

979
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Speaker 1: in yourself? Man, we have you know, it's as soon

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Speaker 1: as a haunted houses thing. It's just never been my

981
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Speaker 1: cup of tea. I would, I would? Uh? I like control.

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Speaker 1: I'm a control freak. Well, I just you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: glad that people are having fun. And on a technical level,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the makeup is impressive. But I live in Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: If I want to run through a sketchy area and

986
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Speaker 1: have people jump out and try to grab me, then

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Speaker 1: I can just walk there you go. So what do

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Speaker 1: you say, Matt? Can we end the show now? I

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Speaker 1: think we can? Said, okay, I give you permission, thanks buddy,

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Speaker 1: even though I have no permission to give you my

991
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: favorite and I am painfully aware of that. No, we're

992
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,440
Speaker 1: we're mostly kidding. We are all actually friends who hang

993
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Speaker 1: out outside of the show, and that reminds us. If

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Speaker 1: you happen to be in New York. We're going to

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Speaker 1: put together some kind of hangout thing there in April,

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Speaker 1: so let us let us know if you're in town.

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Speaker 1: We'll have more g tales coming soon. You can find them,

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Speaker 1: as long as many other stories that don't make it

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Speaker 1: to air on our Facebook and Twitter where we're conspiracy

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Speaker 1: stuff on our Instagram with that has some really cool

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Speaker 1: pictures up presently from DC courtesy of knowl where conspiracy

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Speaker 1: stuff show on that. And if none of that pushes

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Speaker 1: your buttons, you can write to us directly remembered, let

1004
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Speaker 1: us know about mysterious disappearances we should investigate in the future,

1005
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Speaker 1: let us know your thoughts on some of the theories

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Speaker 1: you heard today, and if you want to write something

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Speaker 1: completely random, we'd love to read that too. We are

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Speaker 1: conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.