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Speaker 1: All right, this the Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast. This is

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Speaker 1: Michael Rappaport a k. The Gringo Mandingo. Um. We are

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Speaker 1: actually in the mountains of Park City, Utah. ME and G.

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Speaker 1: Moody last name rhymes with duty. Um. We got a special, special,

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Speaker 1: fantastic interview coming up. Live interview from the mountains of

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Speaker 1: Park City, Utah. You might be saying, why are you

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Speaker 1: in the mountains of Park City, Utah. Well, we came

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Speaker 1: out here with the l A Clippers. We're now the

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Speaker 1: proud partner of the l A Clippers on a digital

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Speaker 1: content initiative, the first of its kind in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: The Clippers are opening their doors to me the Greno

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Speaker 1: Mandingo in the Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast crew to cover

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Speaker 1: their team in our own unique style with no limits.

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Speaker 1: And we're starting it off tonight. The Clippers are in

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Speaker 1: town playing the Utah Jazz. We are in the mountains,

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Speaker 1: Park City, Utah. We're getting ready to do a live

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Speaker 1: stereo podcast with the great Doc Rivers. I can't even

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Speaker 1: remember his first name. Doc Rivers, the coach of the

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Speaker 1: l A Clippers. Doc Rivers, NBA player Atlanta Hawks, the

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Speaker 1: bruising New York Knicks when the Garden was actually still

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Speaker 1: eating even though we didn't win a championship, and we're

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Speaker 1: kicking it off. I'm so yo. I'm gonna keep it real.

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Speaker 1: This little intro opening I'm doing right now is after

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Speaker 1: the interview. The interview is I think it's one of

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Speaker 1: our best. I truly think it's one of our best. Interviews.

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Speaker 1: Is so informative, and Doc is so charismatic, and he

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Speaker 1: breaks down basketball for the non basketball fan. This is

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Speaker 1: the Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast coming live from the mountains

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Speaker 1: of Park City, Utah. I am the green old man

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Speaker 1: Dingo G. Moody, last name rhymes with duty and special

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Speaker 1: guest Doc Rivers. Let's get into it now, all right,

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Speaker 1: The Iron Rapports Stereo Podcast is going to be New

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Speaker 1: Orleans for All Star Break. NBA All Star Break is

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Speaker 1: coming up. We're doing a live show at the Joy

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Speaker 1: Theater Saturday February at five thirty pm. Doors open at

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Speaker 1: four thirty. It's gonna be nuts. It's New Orleans, It's

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Speaker 1: NBA Weekend. Me G Moody live. We We may or

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Speaker 1: side of special guests. Saturday eighteen, at the Joy Theater.

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Speaker 1: Doors open at four thirty, the show starts at five thirty.

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Speaker 1: Tickets are on sale at www dot I am wrapp

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Speaker 1: Report toward dot com. It's gonna be It's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a doozy doozy rhymes with Jacuzzi. All right, this is

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Speaker 1: the Iron Wrap Reports stereo podcast coming live from Park

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Speaker 1: City of Utah. I want to give the impression to

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Speaker 1: the listeners at home that this is a sold out Pactorenia.

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Speaker 1: a round of applause. Yeah. Yeah, it's like three people

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Speaker 1: the Yes, Yes, that was a big, big round of pose.

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Speaker 1: I got a very very uh famous uh comedian friend.

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Speaker 1: I think he's wrong about this. This this corporate crowd,

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna be good. So I'm Michael Rappaport.

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Speaker 1: This is my partner, Gerald Moody. G Moody, last name,

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Speaker 1: I always have to remind people rhymes with duty Um.

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Speaker 1: We've been friends since nineteen eighty two. We met in

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Speaker 1: for two years, Kevin Garnett and that needs missed one

426
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 1: second of practice. He didn't believe. He believed that. He

427
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: used to you know, I used to look at him

428
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 1: like he's crazy. Uh, But he used to tell me

429
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: warriors don't miss a second. If if the head chief

430
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 1: misses that, everyone else sees it and that makes them weak.

431
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: And I would think, Kevin, you need to go sit

432
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: down for ten minutes to get some red us, you know.

433
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 1: But he would not. So if you took him out,

434
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: he would run on the side and mock whatever his

435
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: guy was doing. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen.

436
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: And what if I took him out of practice, and

437
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: the scrimmaging, scrimmaging, whatever his guy did, he would do.

438
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: So he would be running on the side. If the

439
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,560
Speaker 1: guy's jumped, he would jump. The guy was slide. He

440
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: was slide. And you're sitting there like, what the what

441
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 1: the heck doing? And so I called him over. I said, Kevin,

442
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 1: this is why I took you out to sit down.

443
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: He said, I'm not gonna sit down. It's it's a

444
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: show of a weakness. That was his whole thing. And

445
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,680
Speaker 1: I loved him because he hated the the opponent. I

446
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:47,959
Speaker 1: literally hated the opponent, like and I love that. Speaking

447
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: of hating the opponents, I mean, I doc honestly. First

448
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: of all, I can't tell you how much I appreciate

449
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: you let me take the time to do this. Yet

450
00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's the last night of a

451
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: road trip and and you know we said it was

452
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: gonna short but they live, You're not going You're not

453
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,239
Speaker 1: going to But I just I can't tell you, like

454
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: my heart is racing, like I feel like I'm I'm

455
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: out of Michael, and You're just this is Yeah, I

456
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 1: love this. You had a bunch of personalities. Forget the

457
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: obvious ones. The Kevin Garnett, which that just seems like

458
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 1: a whole other thing to itself. Big Baby who I

459
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: actually and tell me if you want to coach on this.

460
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: I know you're in the league now still, but I

461
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: want to change Boogie Cousins to Big Baby Cousins because

462
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: I think he's literally the biggest baby ever. Let me

463
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 1: stay focused, Let me stay focused. He doesn't seem no

464
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: one to gravitate to the nickname. I put it out

465
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: there publicly, but he still thinks. I think he likes Boogie.

466
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: But but you had Big Baby, you have Kevin Garnett.

467
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: Ray Allen seems chill and very professionally. He hasn't had

468
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: a hamburger since he you know, started playing you know,

469
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: high level basketball, and and and uh and then and

470
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: you have Rondo and and you have Scalabrini ter Tony Allen,

471
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: who's a legitimate tough guy. Yeah. Now we had it

472
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: was the toughest group I've ever coached, not meaning tough

473
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 1: to coach, but meaning the you know, you had Leon Poe,

474
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: who no one bothered in practice, like they used to

475
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: call him. He was a grown man. No one bothered him,

476
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, We had Kendrick Perkins, you know, Kevin Garnett, uh,

477
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: Tony Allen. It was just uh tough, even p J. Brown, Like,

478
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 1: we had guys that you wouldn't mess with. UM and

479
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: we got alone great. But there were some crazy things

480
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: with that. I mean, Robot, there was that year, you know,

481
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: we when we went sixty six that year, Um, it

482
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: was the easiest basketball, craziest group we had, fights, we had,

483
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: there were so many things that happened during that season

484
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: that was just it was crazy. Give me your best

485
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: Celtics story from that crazy I heard. I mean I've heard,

486
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: like I think I was taking caliber there at one

487
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,679
Speaker 1: point during the season. I don't know which year it was,

488
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: it might have been the first year, second here, I'm

489
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: not sure, but the title when you were going into

490
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 1: Lakers there was an arm wrestling thing. That's the craziest story.

491
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: Give it to me. Me and Paul were talking about

492
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: this the other day. So I came up with this

493
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: idea on the plane to turn the plane into the

494
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: locker room. Because if you guys have ever been the

495
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: NBA locker room, there's media. The guys can ever like

496
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: have their own time. So I decided on the airplane.

497
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: You can play music as loud as you want. I

498
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 1: mean that plane with the Celtics was a zoo. I

499
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: mean it was a zoom one time. I hear all

500
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: this screaming in the back of the plane. Uh. And

501
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: I go back because we used to call it an

502
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: animal kingdom. Like you didn't even you didn't even go

503
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: back there. It's just not worth it. And Kevin Baby Leon,

504
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: they all have their shirts off, their sweating like they're

505
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,680
Speaker 1: playing in a pickup game, and I'm looking in their

506
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: arm wrestling and I'm like, I don't like this. Someone's

507
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 1: gonna get hurt. So they divide up teams um and

508
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: Baby Big Baby is like bam, everybody bam. I mean

509
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: it was. It was crazy, how Quinn. You know we

510
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: got to Leon Poe who we thought bam, and Kevin

511
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: Garnett on the other side was winning, but it was

512
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 1: a struggle. So the championship was Baby Big Baby versus

513
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: Kevin Garnett. And I walked back and said, no, this

514
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: this this because you know someone's gonna get hurt. Plane

515
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 1: could go down, yeah something I thought so much my

516
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: shoulder and get thrown out, and they said no, we're

517
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 1: gonna do it. We're gonna come out cohost please. So

518
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: I said, all right, and I sit there and watch it,

519
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: and Baby starts and Kevin stares at him and Baby

520
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: when Kevin one, it was the crazy. Paul Fiers brought

521
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 1: it up to the players the two days ago. We're

522
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: talking about the toughest, the most toughest mentally thing we've

523
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: ever seen in our life. There's no way that Kevin

524
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: Gardnert can be Baby. It's no way that can happened. Uh,

525
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 1: And he literally beat him mentally, like he wouldn't give in.

526
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 1: Like at the beginning, Baby almost had him down. Kevin

527
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't give in, and he held it and held it.

528
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: I mean it lasted for a minute a minute, and

529
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: people are going crazy and they're sweating, and then finally

530
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 1: Kevin gets him and we were like, I mean, I'm shocked.

531
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 1: I was like, what just happened? What? And the funny

532
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: part was Kevin would not stop staring at him. He

533
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 1: was staring at him the whole time, looking at He

534
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 1: knew he had to win that match to like gas.

535
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: But I thought even if he knew he had, he

536
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:38,800
Speaker 1: was gonna get hurt. No. Wait, babies, monkeys, And I

537
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: tell people. Of all the things I've seen in basketball,

538
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: the most mentally tough thing I've ever seen was arm

539
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: wrestling competition because it was it was impossible for him

540
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: to win. So, so what does Garnett bringing to the

541
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: l A Clippers Now? As as as he's an assistant,

542
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: he is a special assistant, and so what is he bringing? Like,

543
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 1: what is his what is his role? Row As, I'm

544
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: the fine, but it's role is DJA for me, that's

545
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: his role. Now he ends up working with Blake two,

546
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: which is a bonus, But his role for me is

547
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: DJ working on offensive, working on the offensive moves and

548
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 1: work on them. Really his mental like the mental toughness

549
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: like don't give in to rest, don't give in to players,

550
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: don't get frustrated. Um, you know, and and DJ does.

551
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: That's his the has and the killings. That's it. You

552
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: can get to him, and you know, Kevin just talks

553
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: to him and they worked. The other thing is, you

554
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: know he's making DJ work. DJ is naturally a good player,

555
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: but he's Kevin the teaching on what the work ethic is.

556
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: And you know Kevin gets there early. You know, it's great.

557
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: We have an eleven cock practice and Kevin's there at

558
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: a thirty and he wants DJ to be there, and

559
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: DJ is there. Now, DJ would have the DJ would

560
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: have been the already eleven, you know, for twelve. Now

561
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: he's there at a thirty and when practice stars, he's

562
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: already been on for an hour and a half, two

563
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: hours and he Kg's out there work. He's working him,

564
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: he is working him, and he's been great for Bryce

565
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: and uh Diamond as well. Uh. But my goal was DJ,

566
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: like all the other stuff is who go with him?

567
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: And I told Kevin, that's your that's your guy, Like

568
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: we gotta make him a bigger threat. Now, who's the

569
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: best player you played again that you would think is

570
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: the best? Well, Michael or Magic? You know, did you

571
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: compete again? Because you know Bird was a three, so

572
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: I've never played against him, Dominique everything like that. But

573
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: I had to guard Michael and Magic and uh Magic,

574
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: Magic was harder for me because Michael, Yeah, it's just

575
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: too big. You felt like you're like, you know what

576
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: we call daddy ball. When you play your little kids,

577
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: you back them down. That's how you felt when you're

578
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: playing against Magic, like you didn't have an impact on him.

579
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: You know, like I was a defensive player. I like,

580
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: I could get under Michael skin. You know, how did

581
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: you do that? Just physical? Uh? You know, hit his

582
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: arm a couple of times to get away with it.

583
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: You know, I've had I had some good defensive games

584
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: against Michael. Um. He had some good offensive games against

585
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: me too. You know the best Michael story, and it's

586
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: a true we played them back to back. I held

587
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 1: him at that time. It was his career loads and

588
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,959
Speaker 1: like twelve, and he walked by our locker room and

589
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: stuck in and just said that great job tonight, and

590
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: then he left. That was all he said. Like you

591
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: just made a point of letting me know. And you know,

592
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: and all the players like tomorrow, you're gonna get him. Um,

593
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna get eighty tomorrow. And I think he had

594
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: like forty six uh the next night. But you know

595
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't take credit that night, Like I

596
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: know that was a team effort. Yeah, but yeah, when

597
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: you got guys like that, you're thinking they're great but

598
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: not tonight. That was my whole thing, Like they're great,

599
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: but not tonight, you know, And that's what I would

600
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: always say, and sometimes they were still great. That you

601
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: can do about it when when you when when you

602
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: were watching Dominique and the Bird Wars, because because you

603
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: didn't notice it on TV and the way the games,

604
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: the technology of the games now maybe you would see it.

605
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 1: But like I remember talking to Dominican and he has

606
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: such a reputation now as a trash talker, Larry Bird,

607
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,479
Speaker 1: maybe you would see it in this in this day

608
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: and age with with Instagram and everything, Larry was the

609
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 1: biggest trash talking Tell me how what was he doing it? Quietly? Yeah,

610
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: it was good trash. Now it's TV trash, you know, right,

611
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: but his trash was great. Like you know me, I

612
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: wasn't a score I could score, but yeah, I was

613
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 1: more of a point guard, you know. I remember the

614
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 1: one game I was having. I think I had thirty seven,

615
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: but early in the game I had a lot of

616
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: points and Larry on the free throw and walk up

617
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: to you, man, you're playing well and see how long that?

618
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 1: See if you can? Like can you keep doing that?

619
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: Like that's not really you? He he would say stuff

620
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: like that too, and you would you would want to

621
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: say it is me, you know, I'm stupid, But you

622
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: looked at him, you knew what he was up to

623
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: right once you start thinking about it or you know.

624
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: So he didn't do dirty trash talk. He didn't mental warfare,

625
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 1: you know, which I actually liked better. Dude, there's that

626
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: that clip. I believe you were on the Hawks where

627
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: he was lighting the Hawks up and the bench, the

628
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: Hawks bench. It's like a famous Thank god, I was

629
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: on the floor. Tell tell, tell about that click bird

630
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: at sixty one against us in the last twenty he

631
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: was calling his shots, Like, what do you mean he

632
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: was calling the shot? He was coming down off the glass. Uh,

633
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: he's in the free throw line coming you know, next

634
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: shot three point left side. I mean he was he

635
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: was literally calling the shots. I mean it was crazy.

636
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: So it's like that's like a horror movie. Yeah, and

637
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: so it was a horrid movie. So the last shot

638
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: he made, he said, shot in trainer's lap. That was

639
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: the shot where he faded away. He he had to

640
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: get over there. That's what you know, kill Dominique. He said,

641
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: trainer's lap. Why don't you even let him over there?

642
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: You know, like he knew he wanted that shot, So

643
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: he took a fade away and he fell in our

644
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: trainer's lap and made it. And that's when our bench

645
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: went crazy because he made this. It was like as

646
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: if he was on your team. So Mike for Tello

647
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: the next day for film we watched you know, back

648
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: then there was you rewind we didn't have clips. We

649
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: watched twenty times, just the bench. He was so mad

650
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: that the bench twenty over and over. You saw Eddie Johnson.

651
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: I can remember a guy named Ricky Brown. They're all

652
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: giving each other high fives. And now we lost the game.

653
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: The guy has six one on our own team is

654
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: giving each other. That was not good. I've always loved

655
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: for Tello, and like I told you, you know, watching

656
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: that team he was weird because you'd watched the Knicks

657
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: in New York. You didn't have NBA packages. And then

658
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: I had this affection for the Atlanta Hawks obviously the

659
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: Dominique factor um and and you yeah, I mean you

660
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: guys were it was an exciting team and you had

661
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: this short, crazy coach Mike for Tello, who I love

662
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: of listening talk basketball because he makes it for not

663
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 1: just the basketball fan, like he'll make it accessible for anybody.

664
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 1: What did you take away that now that you're a

665
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 1: coach from for Tello from the Riley's like and talk

666
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: to me like, so, so talk to me about like

667
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: for Tello and then the other coaches that you took

668
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: away and now like influenced the way you can listen.

669
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: I was lucky, you know, even going back to college

670
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: with with Rick m Jarrs, Raymond's um, I have Mike

671
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: for Tello was my first coach, Larry Brown is my

672
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: second coach, pat Riley is my third coach, you know,

673
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: and then Papovich and uh, you know, Bob Hill was

674
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: a coach with Papovitch was the president at the time.

675
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: So I was like in coaching heaven my entire gig,

676
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: like I had great coaching for Tello was his defense,

677
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, and I still do a lot of his

678
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: you know, some of the things that he does, so

679
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: his philosophy defensively, I take the most of that from him. Well,

680
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: explain explained the basics of that defensive philosop me that

681
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: for Tello talked about that you that Michael, Mike's and

682
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 1: Rouse very similar. Their whole thing is transition. You know,

683
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: Like my teams have never been a great offensive rebounding

684
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: team because statistically has proven that if you can get

685
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: back and set over going for the glass that you

686
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: will make more points and save more points. And so

687
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,360
Speaker 1: that was Mike's big thing is transition the and Mike's

688
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: big thing is no middle, no middle, no middle, no middle.

689
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: Don't let them come down the middle. Don't let them

690
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of the floor. Try to keep the

691
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: offense on the sides. And what is the what is

692
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: the point of that? Because the middle you can see

693
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: the whole floor. Side you can only see half the floor.

694
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: Right when I'm going driving baseline, this whole side of

695
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: the floor is taken out visually. You know, for ninety

696
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: eight percent of the players taking lebron they see the

697
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: whole floor anyway, So so so guarding the point, so

698
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: that it's really like the whoever is guarding the point

699
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: pushed them to the side, to the side they called

700
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: the pick and row. Force it to the side, got it?

701
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, the only time we forced middle, We're gonna trap.

702
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 1: That's all for Tello and Riley because Riley and uh

703
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: Dick Harter was Riley's uh were the worst name ever,

704
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: Dick Harder, But that's his name is Dick Harter, Dick

705
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,720
Speaker 1: Carter hard Dick Harter. He's still didn't get it changed.

706
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: I mean at some point that Mom's got to do him,

707
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: like you gotta come like just say to Peter and

708
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: that's not good either, Peter Harder, No, that's bad too

709
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: in either way. But so Riley, I got that Larry

710
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: Brown to change his name to Seal or something Knights character.

711
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: Larry Brown was his just his um. His attention to detail.

712
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: Riley affected me more than anybody. He was a team builder.

713
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Riley's hope with Leaf was anybody connecting. Oh but if

714
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: you can get your team to function as a group,

715
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,879
Speaker 1: like I was convinced we're gonna win the title when

716
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: I was within there was no question about it. Uh.

717
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: And that was ol Riley. Like. Riley had this ability

718
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: to who his speeches were. You've heard about him, they were.

719
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: They were phenomenal, like I had never heard. Larry and

720
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: and Mike were good. But Royles was like listening to

721
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: the you know, Martin, Luther King or Gandhi speak every game.

722
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: I mean, he he had He did different things like

723
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 1: the one where you know he put his hand in

724
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: his bucket of water and he wouldn't take it out,

725
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean literally wouldn't take it out. Hold on, he's

726
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: the coach before the game. He comes in and he's

727
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: something about commitment and and trust and you know how,

728
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: you know how he would say it, and he sticks

729
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: his head in his bucket of water, I mean me

730
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: and starts and it was me starts. Oh. We were

731
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: sitting next to each other and like, what the hell

732
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: is he gonna come out? He's gonna come out, and

733
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: finally like Patrick grabbed him. I mean, he's he's either watering,

734
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: it's not. He said I wouldn't coming out until somebody

735
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: saved me, and I knew some I was gonna save me.

736
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: I knew somebody was gonna and I'm thinking I wouldn't

737
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: take that chance now. But it was a it was amazing.

738
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Might just sit there not. I mean, you're like, what

739
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 1: the heck? It was crazy, so so so the showtime

740
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: Lakers coach of Riley. The image that you saw the

741
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: hair back. So he's a tough guy. He's a tough

742
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: you know from Schenecticut, New York. He's a he was

743
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: a tough dude, like smokes and rats. I mean, every

744
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: image I had him, that ride was a race. You

745
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: know when you're around him. You know, he did a

746
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: film before the Portland game and we're the most physical

747
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 1: team to make. He said we were soft. So he shows,

748
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: he walks in, he puts on this film and it's

749
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: a car accidents of rams running each other, of knockouts,

750
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: and he's scared dream and he just sit there and

751
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: then he leaves, didn't say a word, and I'm looking

752
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: at like Mason and Oakley and I'm like, oh my gosh,

753
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: they're gonna kill someone tonight, Like they're gonna kill someone tonight.

754
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: And that's that was rals He had this ability though,

755
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: to do it in a team way, that individual and

756
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: it was never about the game. It was always about

757
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: the whole year. It was the best were changed. I

758
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: could imagine you might have like pt P P that

759
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: like I mean no, that changed me. That made me

760
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: want to coach, like when I don't rouse, I never coached.

761
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: It made me like, man, I want to be that.

762
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: I want to be a team deal? Was was her

763
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: like that you talk about you hear stories about his

764
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: practices being hard, they're ridiculous, why they're too long? And

765
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: was it scrimmaging thing I took for him? I will

766
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: never have a writing practice because like was it was

767
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: it running within three hours of like first of all,

768
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: you can't go more than three, now, that's true, but

769
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: our practices were three and four hours, just constant running, running, defending, running,

770
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: um and you know, I was down to what I knew.

771
00:40:57,719 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: I was cramping. And you remember in the playoffs, I

772
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 1: kept cramping because I got below the level of body fat,

773
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: right you humanly you shouldn't be a below three and

774
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: a half. And I got the three and I didn't

775
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: know anything that. I didn't know what that was. But

776
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: I was cramping every night in every game. You remember

777
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 1: every game that my legs my body because once you

778
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,320
Speaker 1: get under that number, you burn muscle. And so I

779
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 1: learned that the hard way. The greatest part about that

780
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: it was you had to eat. Like during the playoffs,

781
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: I was like Big Max and they I couldn't eat

782
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: enough food because they were trying to get back up.

783
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: But it was due to those darned practices. And I

784
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: thought that that hurt us, like that was the only

785
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: and he admitted that with that group, we're too old.

786
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: That's not the group to do in the middle of

787
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: a playoff series. You shouldn't be having a fo hour practice,

788
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: and he still would, and it came back and haunted us.

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Speaker 1: next question. Then I want to get to the current

799
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Speaker 1: l A Clippers. One of the most beloved Knicks, Patrick Ewing,

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00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 1: one of the toughest, fiercest players in all of history,

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00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: the face of the Knicks for so long, the scowl.

802
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: He's now doing shot charts on the Charlotte Hornets for

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00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: Frank the Tank Kaminski. Is Pat Ewing ever going to

804
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: be a head coach? He breaks our heart to see

805
00:42:56,200 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: him doing Frank the Tank Kaminski. He's good. What I'm saying,

806
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: what I mean we got he looks like he's like

807
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: it looks like a deer. I love, I love what

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00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: happened from Pat Patrick scowl, Derek Fisher coach, and Patrick

809
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: Ewing is down there doing shop charts for Frank the Tank.

810
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: That's a Nick problem, clearly. Yeah. I had nothing to

811
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: do with that. And you know he wants it so bad.

812
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: It does and he's he worked on it. He's been

813
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: under several coaches, so I hope so would be my answer. Okay,

814
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: now did you watch the the the the game last night?

815
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: The the uh the much talked about like it was

816
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: just like it was like it was a soap opera,

817
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 1: and well they built it up. I mean they almost

818
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: made Oklahoma fans boo, right, they saying they have to boo,

819
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 1: And I was shocked, Like, Oklahoma, they're the nicest people

820
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 1: in the world. I swear like it's it's crazy. When

821
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: we played him in the playoffs with the clips, usually

822
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: when you're in an opposing city, people say bass stuff

823
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: to you. You know, um, Lawrence, Frank, your guy will

824
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: tell you. I had a ritual when I was in Boston.

825
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: Did no matter where the arena was on shoot around,

826
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna walk from shooting around to the hotel.

827
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: Excuse me, You're close enough to the hotel is not

828
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: a big deal. When we played Philly. We stayed at

829
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 1: the Four Seasons in the hotel. It was seven and

830
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: a half my walk and so I'm walking, you know.

831
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: It was Flip. Actually Flip Saunders was with He was fired,

832
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: so he just joined my staff just for the playoffs.

833
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: And we lose game five, so we had to go

834
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: to Game six and Flip walks and his pists like, so,

835
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: what's wrong, man, We're gonna We're gonna go win and said, no,

836
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: it's the walk. We gotta we gotta walk again back

837
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: after the shoot around. But Oklahoma fans never in the

838
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 1: fans and the Philly are yelling nasty stuff. They're animals

839
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: out there. They're crazy crazy. I was there when they

840
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: booed Kobe in the Old Story and they stayed. Know,

841
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: they just come to boot Uh, we're in Oklahoma. They

842
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 1: wish you could luck. Most of the time in an

843
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: opposing city, a fan will wish you good luck and

844
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: didn't say but I hope you lose, or but they

845
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: don't say that, they say, hey, not good luck tonight,

846
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: and you're like, you're waiting for the rest. It's nothing anyway.

847
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: I didn't see the game. I saw the highlights highlights,

848
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: and I kind of liked that there was some but

849
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: Finniker in the game, I think that was good. You know,

850
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: Russell Russeller got a knife in a bazooka fight. You know,

851
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: so he wasn't gonna win the game. But at least

852
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: I liked that they clearly have a problem and so

853
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: instead of being fake, they you saw it, and to me,

854
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: I think that's good. Now it's over. We know they

855
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: actually had a problem, and uh so I was over.

856
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 1: Do you remember all like like if I brought up

857
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: so and so game. I remember games. Yeah, I can't

858
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: remember scores from from from from like how far back

859
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: do you remember when you were playing? Do you remember

860
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: remember the game four versus the Lakers? And yeah, I

861
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: can remember games that I played in. I can remember

862
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 1: every game that I coached. That's crazy. Well being basketball, Yeah,

863
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: I think that I have a pet by my bed

864
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: and I write place. Uh get up at night. Those

865
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: coaches don't sleep much because you're it's hard to turn off.

866
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: If I if every coach told me that taking it,

867
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: they said, you're gonna love the job, but you're you're,

868
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, won't sleep well because your mind is always

869
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: racing taking turn it off. It's impossible to turn it

870
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 1: off even when things are going good. Yeah, yeah, more

871
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: when they're going good. You know, it's just the way

872
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: it is. And when do you so so so, like,

873
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: let me ask you this your schedule now, like you're

874
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna go back to um Salt Lake City, Okay,

875
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna you go to see you wake up tomorrow.

876
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,439
Speaker 1: Tell me, like just your schedule of tomorrow. I'll wake

877
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: up and I'll meet with the video guys at about

878
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:51,959
Speaker 1: eight o'clock thirty and we'll I already have it done.

879
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: I actually did it on the way here because my

880
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: ride was a little longer than I anticipated. Um. And

881
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: so I'll give them the cliffs from the New York

882
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: game or now, who do we play? Last Charlotte game?

883
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: Clips from the last time we played Utah, which is

884
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: actually game two. Uh, so you gotta be careful with

885
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 1: that because both change. Uh. And then clips from the

886
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: Boston Utah game last night. So since last night, I've

887
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 1: watched our game against them, the whole game. Yeah you

888
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: have that special NBA. Yeah, no sound, no sound, no commercials.

889
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: So it's just the game, and it's just the game,

890
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: and it's no free throws she just goes straight game. Okay, cool.

891
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: So you can pull, Yeah, you can just put. All

892
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: you do is push push push, uh, and you do

893
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 1: offense defense. I send the defensive stuff to bringdon O'Connor

894
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: defensive guys in the offensive stuff that Woody and armand

895
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: Hill and then we all meet and uh, we make

896
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: an edit and they ended up. Uh. The last game

897
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: is I try to do positive all the good things

898
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: we did in the Charlotte game and show things that

899
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 1: we got to do better offense defensively. I showed all

900
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: the things that Utah will try to do against us,

901
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: and then I showed like if the Boston game is

902
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: just for me, right and and I don't want to

903
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: tell you my players thinking too much, you know, but

904
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: what I try to look for something that Boston did

905
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 1: that that's similar to what we do that we can

906
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: do to Utah and the same thing the other way around.

907
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: And then so so you this is at eight, and

908
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: then to to walk me through the rest of the

909
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: So then the coaches will have a coaches meeting in

910
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 1: nine thirty. We'll have a player meeting at ten thirty

911
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: where we watched the film twenty minutes and then we

912
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: go right to the arena and we have they shoot.

913
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: Then we walked through the six plays and their tendencies.

914
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: Then we walked through five plays that we think will

915
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: be effective against him, five of our own plays. Uh,

916
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: then I'll do like three a t O S t

917
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: O s after timeouts. But I don't. It's called an

918
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: at the time out play, like a play that you

919
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 1: don't run. And I do it a little different than

920
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of coaches. I'm thinking about a month from now.

921
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: So my a t o s that I'm running in Bractics,

922
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: I may not run those in the game. I may

923
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: one other ones in the game. I'm just trying to

924
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: see how they look for me. And then sometimes this

925
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: game specific sometimes I'm thinking this could be a great

926
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: play at in the playoffs when you come to a timeout,

927
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 1: when you when you come to a timeout, it's thirteen

928
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: seconds verse whoever, you're not coming away. It's not off

929
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: the cuff. Now I have that sheet that I really

930
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: I look at it. I don't really you know what

931
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: you're gonna run. It's it's something that they've heard it,

932
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: they've run it before in practice. Most times, like the

933
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: group in Boston, I could say I could run in

934
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 1: a play they've never seen before and they can run it. Uh.

935
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: This is not that group you would, especially without Chris,

936
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: you would even think about that. Uh. And that's where

937
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: like people don't under stand when you have a key

938
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: guy out, especially if it's a point it takes away

939
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 1: you're a t o s like it literally does. You

940
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: gotta be really careful running anything that they haven't seen before.

941
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,760
Speaker 1: And and the other thing you have to be careful

942
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: with is this group hasn't played together. Like there's you know,

943
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: Chris and j J and Blaye they can run all

944
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,880
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff. Austin, Raymond and Jamal they don't know

945
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: that same packet. So you just it. Really, if you

946
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: have a hundred plays, it takes it down to twenty.

947
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 1: Get limited to those twenty plays. You do become more predictable.

948
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 1: But at least they can run them. And so you

949
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,760
Speaker 1: stay into that little box. One question, who's the best

950
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: shooter you've seen? Is it Steph Curry or seen? Uh?

951
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: I think yeah, I mean I guess Curry off because

952
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: he can do it off the dribble, you know. Um,

953
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: but Ray Allen was was was unbelievable. Um, you know

954
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller was unbelievable. So there's they're all great, but

955
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: I think Curry if you put in the dribbling part.

956
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 1: You know, the old people think, you know, like Pistol Peat.

957
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: You know, they always throw his name, and I don't

958
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: I'm not that old. I don't remember that, but they

959
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: would reference him similar to Curry. I don't remember seeing

960
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 1: Pistol play that way, so I don't know that, but

961
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: that's that's the name I hear the most from the

962
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: older guys. Like they say, off the dribble shooting, Pistol

963
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: Peak could do what Curry could do. Um, but I

964
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: didn't see him, so I don't know. All right, this

965
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 1: is this is my quick and final question because I

966
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 1: don't even know the answer. I'm thinking just now, I

967
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: don't know the answer. Glenn, doc Rivers? How did the

968
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: nickname Doc Rivers? And I like, I had to think

969
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: for a second. Glenn, right, yeah, Glenn, Glenn's my name. Uh.

970
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 1: I mean some people and they're probably oh shoot, I

971
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: never knew that Doc came from basketball coup uh. Al

972
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: McGuire Rick mcgarris were at the camp. I had a

973
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: T shirt on of Dr J and Al McGuire. That

974
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 1: la that last week. The last day at the camp,

975
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Bucks came in and they only had nine guys.

976
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 1: They needed a tenth guy. And Al looks up in

977
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: the stands of campers. I'm one of the campers and

978
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: he says, Doc, come down. I don't know Doc was

979
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's looking around. I'm looking around. Who's Doc?

980
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: You know? I didn't know he's talking about me? And

981
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: he got mad. He's like, Doc, Doc, you And as

982
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 1: I came down on the kids start yelling Doc. And

983
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: so it's stuck in Milwaukee. Like when I went back

984
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 1: home to Chicago, I was still Glenn. When I say that,

985
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 1: Marquette in Chicago said Glenn Rivers. Signs to go to

986
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: Marquette in Milwaukee, it said Doc Rivers. Because that's all

987
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: Al McGuire ever called me. He would not call me Glenn,

988
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: and then Rick mcgerry's were not They always called me Doc.

989
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: So when I got to college is where it started.

990
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:59,879
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