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Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's What You Really miss Podcast. We

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Speaker 1: have something very special for you today.

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Speaker 2: Wow wow. We have one of I think the most

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Speaker 2: memorable and important songs and performances ever did, which was

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Speaker 2: coughs Europe. And we have Semere, the lead singer of

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Speaker 2: Young the Giant with us too. You whage to talk

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Speaker 2: about that entire thing. And I'm just so excited and

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Speaker 2: so nervous. I've seen them live before. I'm so jealous

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Speaker 2: that I used to listen to them on repeat. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean when we were starting, Like remember the first

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Speaker 2: or second year, I got to go to the VMA's

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Speaker 2: they performed oh wow this song before we used it,

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Speaker 2: so it was this is very very cool. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: try to try to play it cool. Yeah. But without

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Speaker 2: further ado, here is Semir from Young the Giant. Hey there,

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Speaker 2: how's it going good? How are you good? We have

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Speaker 2: done over like one hundred episodes and my boyfriend here

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Speaker 2: if you can see him. Austin has been not interested

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Speaker 2: in sitting in one of them never and I knew.

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Speaker 2: I was, like, I guess who we have today. A

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago, you were performing at the Ohana

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Speaker 2: Fest in LA outside of La and Diana Agron, who

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Speaker 2: was on Glee, she was there and she I told her,

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Speaker 2: I was like, Austin's favorite band is performing, and I

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Speaker 2: told her it was you guys, and She's like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: let me see if I can get you guys on stage.

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Speaker 2: So then we stood on the side of the stage

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Speaker 2: and watched you, and I was like, I am good

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Speaker 2: for life, for gifts, I never do anything again. And

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Speaker 2: so I had him, So he's here. How did it

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Speaker 2: sound on side stage? The side stage was a little weird? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was like, damn, but I was just I have

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Speaker 2: pictures of him like sitting like like on the cases,

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Speaker 2: just like watching you guys. Remember that show. He's a gigantic,

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Speaker 2: gigantic fan.

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Speaker 1: Give me here, Austin. This is Austin. Hi, Austin, Hey, Austin,

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Speaker 1: embarrass yourself. Please embarrass yourself, Austin.

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Speaker 2: I don't know you're massive fan.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to play it cool, but I'm literally just

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Speaker 3: trying not to pass out because I seriously love you guys.

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Speaker 2: I love you so much. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, I don't out like this often, but for real,

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Speaker 3: for real as smile, so.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful.

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Speaker 3: Never Matter is like one of my favorite albums of

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Speaker 3: all time.

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Speaker 4: So I appreciate it. Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: We're going to do actually a ten year we haven't

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Speaker 4: really released it yet, but we're going to do ten

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Speaker 4: year anniversary of the second record and maybe do a

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Speaker 4: secret show in La somewhere. So if you're around, you

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Speaker 4: guys should get some tickets and we'll figure something out.

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Speaker 3: Amazing And yeah, I saw you at Amba a while ago.

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Speaker 3: This was years ago, but I think.

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Speaker 2: We're going to do a front to back of the

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Speaker 2: whole second record.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well I'll be there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah cool, thanks, Now get out of here, Hi asked,

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Speaker 3: thanks for that.

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Speaker 1: No, of course, so sweet never He doesn't care about

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Speaker 1: anyone now. She really barely cares about Kevin. So yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: it's so great to have you. Yes, yes, it's so

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Speaker 1: nice to have you here. We're so excited to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about coughs, your up and about your life

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Speaker 1: and your artistry because you are really you have a

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Speaker 1: voice of a generation. It's really really an angel, I know, truly,

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Speaker 1: you kidding me. It's infuriating.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad I didn't have to come or one of

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Speaker 2: your songs. Darren and I still text every now and then,

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Speaker 2: you know, oh yeah, that's awesome. I ran into him

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Speaker 1: Oh yes, a cross.

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Speaker 2: He just he pops up in all the random places.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that was everyone. Yes, so true.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So tell me about Do you remember when you

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Speaker 1: got the request to cover Coughs Syrap on the show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I do. It was very early on in our career.

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Speaker 4: You know. Obviously Coughs Euroup was on the first record,

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Speaker 4: and I think it was about maybe twenty at the time,

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Speaker 2: I remember.

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Speaker 4: At first, you know, we were aware of the show.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't actually seen much of it, but when we

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Speaker 4: were given the treatment and how the song would be placed,

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Speaker 4: we felt it was a really important message is something

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Speaker 4: excited to do that and that was a time for

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Speaker 4: the music industry in general. But us, you know, being

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Speaker 4: so young and very like kind of heady time for

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Speaker 4: that we were not cool with doing, and but that

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Speaker 4: was something that we were all unanimously like, you know,

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Speaker 2: Something we want to do.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: How special I mean, especially because like I think there

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Speaker 2: give the thought to in consideration to how the song's

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Speaker 2: actually being used, and especially in that crazy time in

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Speaker 2: up being such a monumental moment in the history of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and absolutely, And I think a lot of that

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Speaker 4: that time has changed, and I think for mostly for

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Speaker 4: all for better. Really it was a kind of a

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Speaker 4: and so it was something that you know, I'm happy

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Speaker 4: we are in some ways, I missed those old days

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Speaker 4: of just the way things were, but I'm also very

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Speaker 4: happy for where we're at right now.

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Speaker 1: What did you think of the cover when you heard

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Speaker 1: it for the fort when you guys heard it for

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Speaker 1: the first time and or saw it with the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I thought Darren really did justice to

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Speaker 4: the song, even the track itself. The musicianship was they

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Speaker 2: And I actually re.

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Speaker 4: Watched it today at earlier and there are even some

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Speaker 4: like little little things that he did. There were almost

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Speaker 4: was cool to see him pay that much attention to

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Speaker 2: You know, No, for sure, that's what we had the

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Speaker 2: We were asking because some of the tracks sound so

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Speaker 2: Like how is this happening? Like No, most of the

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Speaker 2: time we didn't. We just had to like do it

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Speaker 2: by ear. Yeah, and also you know, but the vocal

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Speaker 4: No, truly, I don't know the only way I could

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Speaker 4: tell really, I mean, some of the guitar tones were

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Speaker 4: spot on, some of the drum fills just a little

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Speaker 4: I know Frank Soois, I know exactly how he drums

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Speaker 4: the fills that he does, Like that's not a Francois

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Speaker 1: You would mentioned earlier, and I'm just curious you had mentioned,

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Speaker 1: like vig Glee was one of the things that unanimously

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Speaker 1: the band was like, cool, we'll do that. You had

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Speaker 1: mentioned some things that you wouldn't do back in that time.

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Speaker 1: Do you mind elaborating on what that means?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it was just that moment where artists

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Speaker 4: in television, movies, and even shortly before this, hardly anyone

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Speaker 4: also television from its previous era was so different. I

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Speaker 4: think that a lot of musicians, the old Legacy acts

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Speaker 4: especially refused there was like zero tolerance for any any

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Speaker 4: it's like, you're not you're not cool if you don't

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Speaker 2: It's crazy how quickly that's changed too. I feel like

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Speaker 2: like sure why not. Streaming was also relatively new ish. Yes, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a distrust for certain things. But at

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Speaker 4: Of, you know, how to be in the boys club,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I imagine too. Nowadays it's like, if you find

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Speaker 2: the sink and the license and are you selling out

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Speaker 2: quote unquote, But it's also another way, like Glee was

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Speaker 2: to expose people who might not have heard this music before,

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Speaker 2: and just because they haven't doesn't mean they're not going

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Speaker 2: to relate to it, absolutely find an interest in it

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Speaker 2: and hear themselves in it. Yeah, I mean that.

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Speaker 4: You know, when Glee played the song, I mean that

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Speaker 4: was a huge moment for the song, right.

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Speaker 2: I think it's done a.

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Speaker 4: Lot for the legacy of the of Cops Europe, and

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Speaker 4: we're obviously thankful for that.

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Speaker 2: It was also like we normally did classic rock songs

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Speaker 2: And it just felt like a really important moment. I

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Speaker 2: it was the jakes that you were doing music in

437
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: college and high school. Have you do you come from

438
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 2: a musical family where you always just music was somehow

439
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 2: a part of your life. Yeah.

440
00:24:55,359 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 4: Neither of my parents were professional musicians, both very passionate

441
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:07,879
Speaker 4: about music, particularly my dad. I think maybe had he

442
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 4: come here at a different generation, he maybe would have

443
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: been more willing to try. I think it just the

444
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 4: opportunities for an immigrant in the space of music that

445
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 4: he was interested in. There were no there were no no,

446
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: there was no one, you know. Freddie Mercury was like

447
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 4: the only person. And even then that was like kind

448
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 4: of an almost actually not fully a generation prior, but

449
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 4: still it was and it hadn't it wasn't around in

450
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 4: America as deeply as was rooted, like the American tradition

451
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: of music, and so he kind of, you know, he

452
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 4: kind of did the thing that was safe and made

453
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 4: sense for him.

454
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: His his mother.

455
00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 4: Was a semi professional singer, a Bollywood singer, and she

456
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: kind of got scouted when she was really young and

457
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 4: then she had the pressure to start a family and

458
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 4: all that stuff. So in a way, my career has been,

459
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: you know, making like two generations in the process, though

460
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 4: I'm very you know, grateful for them, and because it is,

461
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 4: it's such a strange thing because you can be very

462
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: classically trained, which I am not at all.

463
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: You know I am, but you haven't.

464
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 4: You can have an ear and an instinct and some

465
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 4: one of the only things in my life that I

466
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 4: just follow that instinct. And I'm probably better trained at

467
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: many other things through like classically than I am with music.

468
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,360
Speaker 4: And it's a fine balance of wanting to learn new

469
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 4: things and you know, explore new chordal structures and modes

470
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 4: without like completely just destroying this kind of childlike wonder

471
00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: that I have going about out what I do. And

472
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 4: I think popular music that's why there so many people

473
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 4: who try it, who come at it as amateurs and hobbyists,

474
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 4: and I kind of see myself as that just excited

475
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 4: by when you combine two things together what happens?

476
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: You know, was there a certain point because you talked

477
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: about how, at least in Coughs here you were using

478
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: your voice sort of as another instrument, and I think

479
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: you tend to in all your music. Your voice does

480
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: very much feel like another part. Doesn't feel separate, it

481
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: feels very much another part of the track. Was there

482
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: a point when you realized that, because it not most

483
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: people cannot do that or don't have the instinct or

484
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: desire to even I think add to a record in

485
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: that way, Like, was there a point for you and

486
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, my voice can do these things, and

487
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: so the way it blends with these things is interesting

488
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: and unique, and this is how I want this to sound. Yeah,

489
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: I mean.

490
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 4: I just grew up singing, you know, of parties like

491
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: Indian parties, and it's just a thing. Parents be like, Hey,

492
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: my kid can dance, Mike kid can sing, and so

493
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: they'd be like, yeah, assume we are dance and sing

494
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 4: for everyone. And it was just something that you would do.

495
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 4: And I just kind of assumed that a lot of

496
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 4: people could sing, and I still believe that many people can.

497
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 4: Almost everyone can, truly. But I came into music first

498
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: with you know, I guess really young piano and violin,

499
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 4: upright bass, and then I picked up the guitar. When

500
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 4: I was eleven or twelve and my first couple of bands,

501
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: I was the lead guitarist of the band, and I

502
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 4: didn't want to be the singer because I never liked

503
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 4: the singer and the bands I thought they were conceited

504
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: and I always liked.

505
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: The guitar. And it was really just.

506
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 4: An accident, you know. I'd heard of a band called

507
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 4: the Jakes who were looking for an extra band member.

508
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: I didn't know what the part was they wanted, so

509
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 4: I came with my guitar and they were like, well,

510
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: we already have two guitarists, but we've heard through someone

511
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 4: else that apparently you can kind of you can like

512
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 4: keep a tune, so can you sing?

513
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: And I said okay.

514
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: You know, at first I was like I really don't

515
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 4: want to be the singer, et cetera, et cetera, and

516
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: then finally, you know, I did it, and and then

517
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 4: it just kind of clicked and it felt like, Wow,

518
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: this was the thing that I was I was.

519
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 2: Meant to do.

520
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 4: And it's pretty amazing that in many ways, like young

521
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 4: the giant is my first musical project, you know, from

522
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 4: two thousand and four, essentially almost twenty years now, from

523
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 4: when I was in high school. And yeah, it was

524
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 4: a music. Singing was just a thing that you know,

525
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 4: I've worked upon and I think honed in on over

526
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: the years, and in college and high school doing some

527
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 4: choral chorus stuff, and at Stanford A was a part

528
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 4: of a South African gospel choir with a lot of

529
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 4: them amazing voices from all over the world and singing

530
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 4: music that I wasn't really accustomed to singing, and that

531
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 4: taught me a lot. But the voice is that one

532
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 4: thing that you're just kind of born with and it's

533
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: interesting to make my career off of something like that

534
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 4: where it's but I'm very very blessed and grateful for

535
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 4: that too.

536
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 2: I love sort of the reluctant lead singer take. It's

537
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: like you, I don't like how they do it, but

538
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: now you're in the position You're like, well, I can

539
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: make a new mold of how this can go. I

540
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: still don't like. I still don't light lead lead singers.

541
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: It's very hard.

542
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 1: That's funny. How do you guys feel like you have

543
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 1: evolved as a band.

544
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: Over the year twenty.

545
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 4: Years, we've evolved a lot. I mean we as human beings,

546
00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 4: we've evolved. We've managed to keep it together, be humble,

547
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 4: care about the important things in life, stay grounded, and

548
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: compromise with one another and not kill each other. Those

549
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: are huge things success, success, and I think we've we've

550
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 4: managed to always kind of march to the beat of

551
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 4: our own drum. And there's always a pressure to try

552
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: and it's not too late to turn around and follow.

553
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: What everyone else is doing.

554
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 4: But you know, I'm proud of us that we've taken

555
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: this path that's long, slow build, that gets us to

556
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 4: the places that we're at now, you know, ten twelve

557
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 4: years later, being able to play at the forum here

558
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: and do things like that where we have fans who

559
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: really care about the music that we're making in a

560
00:31:54,560 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 4: deep and impactful way. And I'm we've learned a lot

561
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 4: as touring musicians and as recording artists, but every time

562
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 4: we get in the studio, we try to, you know,

563
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 4: try to unlearn some of the things too, because you

564
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: only really know what worked and what didn't work until

565
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 4: you've released something. To a certain extent, it's not even

566
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 4: really how people receive it.

567
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: It's more like.

568
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 4: How you feel about it now that it's a finished

569
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 4: body of work, you know, and so we're constantly trying

570
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: to change the process and see what works for us.

571
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: I imagine too, it must be really special for you

572
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: what you've all known each other for so long, to

573
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: see each other through all these different stages of life,

574
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, the guys in the garage to now touring

575
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 2: across the world and doing these things. I mean, we've

576
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: always felt that connection of when you go through something

577
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: so singular, to be able to have other people that

578
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: you can share that very very specific experience with is

579
00:32:55,920 --> 00:33:00,959
Speaker 2: such a gift that you don't necessarily realize when you're younger,

580
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: but later on it's like, oh, thank god we had

581
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: each other, no, absolutely, and have each other to you know,

582
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: look back on and call back, like we all went

583
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: through these crazy things together. I feel like it's in

584
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: a band. It must be like that tenfold absolutely. You know.

585
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,479
Speaker 4: We're yeah, we're no longer we're not best friends, you know,

586
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 4: we're you know, we're brothers in so many ways, and

587
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 4: sometimes we can't stand one another and sometimes we need

588
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 4: a day or two, but we always end up hanging out.

589
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 4: Even sometimes where you know, we're not on the clock,

590
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 4: and it is amazing to have those shared stories over

591
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 4: the years and and the experience. But yeah, that's not

592
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 4: many people can relate.

593
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 1: To, you know, tell us about your sixth to help them.

594
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: I mean, it's very very very early on in the process.

595
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 4: You know, we just released well, we just released a

596
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 4: live record, our first live record we ever released. Oh

597
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: you know, it's been five albums, and it was recorded

598
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 4: over the course of this tour this last summer and

599
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 4: includes music from all five of the records, including the

600
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,320
Speaker 4: most recent American Bollywood.

601
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: Which is a record that.

602
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 4: I'm and will continue to always be extremely proud of

603
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 4: and one of my career highlights of being able to

604
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 4: do something are truly artistic that I really wanted to

605
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 4: do for a long time. It took me many years

606
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 4: to make. And so I think we're just kind of

607
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: all it feels like we all had a baby with

608
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: this album and and with this tour so many shows,

609
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: I mean fifty shows I think in.

610
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: About sixty five or seventy days. Ooh, a lot, a

611
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 2: lot of shows wild.

612
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 4: And then Europe right after that, and obviously life changes

613
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 4: and having kids, and I think we're now in this

614
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 4: beginning process where we're really at the square one and again,

615
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 4: you know, you are always staring up the face of

616
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 4: this huge mountain that you have to scale again. You

617
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 4: have to get yourself prepared and it's like that groundwork

618
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 4: and that research in the beginning that can be very

619
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 4: difficult and hard sometimes, especially for people who love you.

620
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 4: And some days I'm just in the studio and I'm

621
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 4: just like the grouchiest person afterwards because I'm just it's

622
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 4: like such a process to get all your emotions out

623
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: that some of it can feel very uncomfortable, but it's

624
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: a necessary process and you're just kind of waiting for

625
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 4: that that inspiration to truly hit where you finally reached

626
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 4: a theme, and that's kind of that right now. You know,

627
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: we still have a few more shows left for the year,

628
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: but that's where we're at. And then we have the

629
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 4: telling Austin. We have the ten year anniversary of Mind

630
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 4: over Matter, and so we're going to do some secret

631
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 4: shows around LA and do like the one because we

632
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: didn't do this for the first record, live show front

633
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 4: to back of the first record, the next day front

634
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: to back of the second.

635
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 2: So that'll be amazing, really fun process. That's exciting.

636
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for allowing us to to

637
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: cough Zeerup because it was such a massive hit with

638
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: the fans, and for sharing your music with us. I

639
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: just really admire your intentionality in your mindfulness and your

640
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: craft and in your own life. So thank you so

641
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: much for sharing with us.

642
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, And you know, thank you for being

643
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: able to talk about this years later. And I'm also

644
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: grateful to Darren I've heard. I've had so many comments.

645
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: I've read comments where like Darren's versions better and he's

646
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 4: a great singer, so you know that's no shape.

647
00:36:52,400 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: They're wrong. Well, I appreciate it all the same. Thank

648
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: thank you so much for spending so much time with us.

649
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: And also, this is our voice has changed talking to you.

650
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: We don't normally. I'm like, I'm talking down here. I

651
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 2: feel very cool, right, I'm sorry for that.

652
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: We should we should hang out too, because I'm all

653
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 4: sorts of different people throughout the day.

654
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,439
Speaker 1: This is greatly appreciate it. We know that that. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much to me.

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Speaker 2: And hopefully see what one of your secret shows soon. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I would let us hee. Wow, I'm overwhelmed. Well, the

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Speaker 2: singing voice of an angel, the speaking voice of an angel.

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Speaker 1: The mind of an angel, the heart of an angel.

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Speaker 1: Seems like somebody I'd like to be around, so we

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Speaker 1: should hang out.

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Speaker 2: One, yes, we'll take them up on that. I might

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Speaker 2: regret it later. Two is I didn't realize he was

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Speaker 2: so young when CoP's herop came out right, and we

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Speaker 2: were not far off an age.

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Speaker 1: Well exactly, so you know, when he was saying that that,

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, they were coming up at

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Speaker 1: the same time. They were young in their formative years,

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Speaker 1: you know, experiencing all of this. It felt like a

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Speaker 1: lot of that resonated with us.

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Speaker 2: And there's also like, and we didn't talk about this,

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Speaker 2: but you know, we were part of Glee, which is

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Speaker 2: was part of a network. You have protection right where

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Speaker 2: like part of the system, everything is in place, shows

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Speaker 2: get made every day. We know how this is going

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Speaker 2: to go, even if it gets really successful. When you're

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Speaker 2: in a band like that, you guys, they invented this

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Speaker 2: thing out of nowhere, which just from school in the garage, right,

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Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden something takes off and

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Speaker 2: you don't have that infrastructure because you don't have that

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Speaker 2: lived experience of having done it before. It's like basically

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Speaker 2: being your own showrunners. Yeah, and you're in this like

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Speaker 2: rocket ship, like how do we figure this out as

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Speaker 2: as we go well? And so I think that's just

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Speaker 2: so impressive. And they're still around and doing so well

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Speaker 2: and making like incredible music. Totally very excited, and I

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Speaker 2: think it takes that type of you know, I think

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Speaker 2: you when you get to a certain point to be

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Speaker 2: able to think, I think that deeply about where you've been,

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Speaker 2: where you want to go, where you currently are. It's

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Speaker 2: such a you have to learn that and it's I

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Speaker 2: think that's what makes it so sustainable and doing that

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Speaker 2: in a healthy way. So it's just so nice to

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Speaker 2: hear that.

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Speaker 1: It was really nice to chat with him, really nice

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Speaker 1: to hear from the artists and you know, behind the music.

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Speaker 1: We don't get to do that a lot.

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Speaker 2: Every time we've talked to one of these artists. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: it make so much sense that they make the music

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Speaker 2: they make. I know that sounds so dumb, No, No,

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Speaker 2: it's so true.

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Speaker 1: It is a reflection of them, you know, it is

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Speaker 1: a reflection of their soul, and it's really inspiring. It's

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Speaker 1: really inspiring, and it makes a lot of sense. I'm

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Speaker 1: not surprised that he knows Darren. I'm not that he

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Speaker 1: you know that that voice makes that kind of music.

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Speaker 2: So and both versions of cops here are great.

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Speaker 1: I mean amazing. Yes, Well, we're so grateful Samir for

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Speaker 1: joining us. I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. Go

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Speaker 1: listen to Young Giant. They just put out that live

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Speaker 1: album and uh, thanks for listening.

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