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Speaker 2: Doug Godlimb Show, and the bonus Fox Sports for you.

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Speaker 2: iHeartRadio bookit hope you're doing right. We have two days

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Speaker 2: in a row. We have a passing of somebody who

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Speaker 2: there are two different influential parts of his career. Yesterday

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Speaker 2: was Malcolm Jamal Warner. Today it's Ozzy Osbourne. And you're like, okay,

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Speaker 2: how are you gonna combine those two. I'm gonna do

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Speaker 2: a little little weave, little presidential weave here, okay. And

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Speaker 2: these are people that are super influential, right, Like I

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Speaker 2: didn't like Cosby Show that much. I never found it

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Speaker 2: to be that funny, but it was a breakthrough show, right,

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Speaker 2: breakthrough show, and it was the biggest night in comedy

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Speaker 2: back when we all used to sit down as a

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Speaker 2: family and watch at least one night of sitcom TV.

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Speaker 2: And part of it was my family was a Cheers family.

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Speaker 2: Cheers was on IT nine and Cosby Show was on

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Speaker 2: IT eight and Malcolm Jamal Warner was the Sun. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean like he basically made his entire life based

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Speaker 2: upon that show. I don't even remember how many years

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Speaker 2: that show went. But I'm sure he's never had to

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Speaker 2: work ever again a day in his life right now.

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Speaker 2: The other side to it is, you know, since Bill

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Speaker 2: Cosby got locked away, our Cosby Show is still I

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Speaker 2: guess they're probably still on on TV Land, right I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I don't watch, but I do wonder how

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Speaker 2: much that hurts, how much he was going to make

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Speaker 2: or now his family will make the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: Because that was such a popular show. It was so easy,

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Speaker 2: was not really offensive to anybody. I didn't think it

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Speaker 2: was all that funny, but I think part of it

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Speaker 2: was I'm guessing they didn't take nearly as many chances

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Speaker 2: because it was basically an all black show at the

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Speaker 2: the primetime spot. Okay, now you follow it up with

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Speaker 2: Ozzy Osbourne, and there's the musical influence of Ozzy Osbourne,

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Speaker 2: but there's also in Jase two, this is where you

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Speaker 2: come in, Like that was was that the first big

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Speaker 2: reality show with him and his wife? I mean, I

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Speaker 2: know Survivor was the first kind of contestant based quote

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Speaker 2: unquote reality show, but I would say that that wasn't

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Speaker 2: Ozzy and his wife. I mean the reality show like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like that was a breakthrough

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Speaker 2: and everyone's been trying to kind of copy it and

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Speaker 2: play catch up ever since.

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Speaker 3: I think you're right.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right in that last part.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You know. I think Real World and Survivor and these

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Speaker 4: these things get credit for like the first reality shows

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Speaker 4: of the genre. But I think the first famous family

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Speaker 4: to be featured on a reality show. I mean, they're

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Speaker 4: a diamond dozen right now there. You know, there are

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Speaker 4: see less celebrities that have their families followed around, But Ozzy,

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Speaker 4: I think was that first, like family you got the

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Speaker 4: you got, you got kind of that gothic thing going

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Speaker 4: on where it was kind of the Adams family, and

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Speaker 4: then the the the matriarch is amazing TV Sharon, and

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Speaker 4: she's become a kind of a media star since. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think you're right. I think that was the breakthrough,

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Speaker 4: is that it was a famous family, uh being followed

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Speaker 4: around and they were interesting characters. I remember Ozzy from

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Speaker 4: Black Sabbath from the seventies and then he became a

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Speaker 4: metal guy in the eighties. And this also reminds me

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Speaker 4: of that I'm always gonna say this, that cliche, you know,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna hear somebody say this today, probably on the air.

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Speaker 4: You know what they say, right, they dine in threes.

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Speaker 4: I wonder who's gonna go next, and then they're the

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Speaker 4: third one is always a stretch. So this is this

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Speaker 4: is a famous former sitcom actor, an iconic metal guy,

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Speaker 4: rock star, and then there's gonna be like a stretch.

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Speaker 4: Somebody's gonna pass away and they're gonna be like, yep,

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Speaker 4: they always go in threes. I can't wait to see

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Speaker 2: They do always go in threes. I hate I hate

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Speaker 2: that thing as well, Like we're waiting on somebody else

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Speaker 2: and then somebody's gonna get umped in, Like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: Isn't it an upset?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 3: That Ozzie made it to seventy six?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is one of those things. It's like when

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Speaker 2: you watch any of these rock stars, you're like, okay, wait,

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Speaker 2: so this guy did every drug possively that you can

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Speaker 2: think of, and then some and he made to seventy six,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like worried about what I you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean, It's like what am I? What am I

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Speaker 2: odds are that if you do that amount of drugs

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Speaker 2: used to work with Tom Brennan, remember the famous for

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Speaker 2: I want to be sick when I die, Like all right, okay,

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Speaker 2: but the point was like I want to live. And

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Speaker 2: I do think that Ozzie lived. Not sure how much

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Speaker 2: he wherewithal he had over living the last I don't know,

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Speaker 2: ten years or so. It did seem out of it

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Speaker 2: obviously felt like you suffered from dementia.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he had parkin he had Parkinson's Parkinson's yeah, And

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Speaker 5: it's what's strangest. I mean, he just did his final

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Speaker 5: like live show, so he did it seated and you

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Speaker 5: know the Parkinson's was obviously ravaging him.

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Speaker 3: But that's crazy.

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Speaker 5: I just now found out about this while you guys

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Speaker 5: were talking about it, and for you guys to like,

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Speaker 5: he just did the show, which is just surprising.

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Speaker 3: He's just you know, you leave what you love, you leave.

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Speaker 5: Your passion behind, then maybe you uh you just give

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Speaker 5: up and you knew you pass away.

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Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, I mean, I mean, it's uh, it's weird.

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Speaker 5: Imagine if he didn't do drugs, he might have lived

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Speaker 5: to be like one hundred and five.

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Speaker 3: Who knows.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he may have, but would he have made I

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Speaker 2: guess the question is would he have made as good

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Speaker 2: as music? Have you not done the drugs? I don't

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Speaker 2: think so that's it's like a real question. I had

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Speaker 2: this conversation with my daughters. You guys know, my daughter's

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Speaker 2: a musician. We were talking about music uber ride back

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Speaker 2: and she's like, yeah, I don't I just I can't

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Speaker 2: do them, Like I have enough going on in my

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Speaker 2: you do wonder you know, because I always go back

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Speaker 2: to all those behind the musics. They're all doing drugs,

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Speaker 2: and yet they're making amazing albums. And then they get

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Speaker 2: as good anymore. They look way better, and they're able

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Speaker 2: same cre creative gene where they can put miss mix

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 4: They always have the member of the band that's really

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Speaker 4: trying to cling to relevant saying now we're clean and

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Speaker 4: sober and we sound better than ever. Yeah, And then

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Speaker 4: you're going through your mind like I don't remember a

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Speaker 4: song from them in the last twenty years, so you're

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Speaker 4: obviously not better than ever.

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Speaker 5: No, I just want to know what Beethoven was on,

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Speaker 5: because he made some good music.

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Speaker 3: Mozart, all those guys, But.

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Speaker 2: Now what was he? What was which one was super

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Speaker 2: I think they all did.

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Speaker 5: Are you talking about composers, Yes, let me see Beethoven,

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Speaker 5: Moltar and what's the third big one?

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Speaker 3: One of them died when he was like thirty. I

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Speaker 3: think Mozart diving he was like thirty.

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Speaker 2: Mozar died when he's super young. Yeah, and he wrote, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: there's the movie. There's a movie a'madais. Have you ever

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Speaker 2: seen the movie Ama Daia?

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Speaker 3: I heard of it.

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Speaker 2: It's really good. Again, But what happens is there's a

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Speaker 2: ever read a book about Mozart. That becomes the that

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Speaker 2: might as well become fact, even if it's not. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's based upon a true story. So that's the only

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Speaker 2: problem with movies about some people's lives is like we're like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's that's who that person is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of details left out, Yes.

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Speaker 2: And again based on a real story, based on a

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Speaker 2: true story. That doesn't mean it's a true story. M Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a it's a weird one. And then the Malcolm

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Speaker 2: Jamal Warner thing is the did we find out yet

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Speaker 2: if he had jumped in to save somebody? Was it

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Speaker 2: like a was he caught in a riptide? Could he

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Speaker 4: Details are foggy. I don't know what all the details are,

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Speaker 2: Him, so riptide. Again. I only know this because I'm

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Speaker 2: some expert swimmer. But having grown up in southern California,

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Speaker 2: I used to hate Corona mar As the Beach because

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Speaker 2: I thought, I said, the rip tides there were just

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Speaker 2: and then they get stuck. That's that rip current. But

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Speaker 2: Sam and I were talking about this on air yesterday.

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Speaker 2: That's a terrible way to go.

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Speaker 3: Do you remember that UFC fighter from a few years ago.

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Speaker 5: I think his child got swept out to the ocean

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Speaker 5: and he tried to go save his child and he

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Speaker 5: ended up passing away. So the oceans, what was it?

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Speaker 5: To quote George Costanza, He's like, the oceans are unkind.

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Speaker 5: The ocean is angry, my friend. It is not like

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Speaker 3: It's uh yeah, but.

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Speaker 2: Again, and and there's lots of bad ways to go, okay,

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Speaker 2: so I'm not it's not like well, which we're not

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Speaker 2: doing the rankings of worse. But if you're on a

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Speaker 2: family vacation and like your family's all out there and

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Speaker 2: they're like screaming to help you, help you, and they

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Speaker 2: they don't want to get caught the ripped current, and

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Speaker 2: then you know, it's like the whole thing with family

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Speaker 2: vacations is supposed to make family memories pre ter indelible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah sure, helplessness, pure terror.

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Speaker 2: And then there's a video of him, I guess he'd

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Speaker 2: moved to Atlanta, like rolling down the street in Atlanta

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Speaker 2: and just talking about, hey, can you just find the joy?

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Speaker 2: And you can find the joy in anything? Like there's

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Speaker 2: a dude that's just like happy, he's good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw a little bit of that.

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Speaker 2: So sad, terrible way to go. But the point though,

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Speaker 2: the launch point of it was both super influential in

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Speaker 2: completely different ways. The Cosby Show was an influential show,

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Speaker 2: and then Ozzy was influential as an artist, but then

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Speaker 2: also as a member of the Osbourne's you know, reality

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Speaker 2: show cast, And I think of what I mean, the

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Speaker 2: keeping Up of the Kardashians is simply a spin off

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Speaker 2: of the Osbourne's.

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Speaker 3: Way more interesting.

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Speaker 6: The downside to wealth is that it starts to make

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Speaker 7: I don't know what team you associate Chris with. He's

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Speaker 8: I feel like I had nothing left to give the organization.

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Speaker 9: Now know everybody's gonna get mad at this cam Haten

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Speaker 4: he made it official, like in my mind he hasn't

436
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Speaker 4: played for many years. Maybe it's only been a couple

437
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: of years, but it just seems like a long time ago.

438
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Speaker 4: Former charge are great. We love Philip Rivers, he's great.

439
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Speaker 4: I just didn't know he was retired. That's what That's

440
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Speaker 4: what annoys me is I did not know that he

441
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Speaker 4: wasn't retired. U.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I think I look you and I

443
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,880
Speaker 2: live the Philip Rivers experience, experience, and there's a lot

444
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: to him, right he was he was always talking and chattering.

445
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: Some people from other teams didn't like him. It didn't

446
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 2: end well, right like when his when when his arms

447
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 2: started to give out, you know, and he was never

448
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: a good athlete, and there's the disastrous game against the

449
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: Raiders late in that Chargers career. But I love Philip

450
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Speaker 2: Rivers like it's just one of those deals to where

451
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: you're like, I mean, personally, I think he's a Hall

452
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Speaker 2: of Famer. I don't know if he'll actually get there.

453
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Speaker 2: My guess is he will. But the point is that

454
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 2: there's plenty of different quarterbacks that can come and go

455
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Speaker 2: to different organizations, and you know, there's an era there

456
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: and you can have a success or whatever. I just

457
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Speaker 2: I just felt like it was it's cool to have

458
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Speaker 2: Philip Rivers as your quarterback. And it was always cool,

459
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: as you know, But I think when you started working

460
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: with the show, he was already gone, and he's like

461
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 2: one of these guys. He has the it that some

462
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: of these guys we talk about are missing where we

463
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 2: would go to Charger Camp every year and he'd come

464
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 2: over and you talk for fifteen minutes, and you like,

465
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Speaker 2: I think he's gonna invite me to his house for

466
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Speaker 2: dinner later. He never did, but he just left you

467
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: feeling that way. Dude loved his job. He fought like hell,

468
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: he had some swag to him, he made good plays.

469
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I love Philip Rivers. But I'm also

470
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Speaker 2: with you, like, wait, now he's retired. He was, which

471
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 2: means that last year he waited by the phone for

472
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Speaker 2: somebody to call him, and now he's like, Okay, now

473
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Speaker 2: I'm not even taking a call if it comes.

474
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Speaker 4: So you and I have talked about the word woke

475
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Speaker 4: in recent weeks, So I mean we haven't. We haven't

476
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Speaker 4: on the show for a while here. So in the

477
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Speaker 4: wake of Shane Gillis on the SP's just crushing the

478
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Speaker 4: w NBA and everybody else in his path. Jason Whitlock,

479
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 4: you know, our friend, our mutual friend, Jason Whitlock. He

480
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 4: said that that was the moment that woke was crushed

481
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Speaker 4: in sports. It popped the woke culture, and he gives

482
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Speaker 4: credit to a number of people for popping the woke culture.

483
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 4: And I want you to tell me if you agree

484
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Speaker 4: with this list. This is the list that he's compiled

485
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: of people that have popped basically rid sports of wokeness himself,

486
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 4: Klay Travis, Pat McAfee, Riley Gaines who finished fifth in

487
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 4: a race, and that dude finished fourth, and Riley gains

488
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 4: has become like the face of the transgender in sports movement. Uh,

489
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 4: Dave Portnoy, Bobby Burak, Sage Steele, Michelle Tafoya, Harrison Butker

490
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: is a part of the get the Woke out of

491
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Speaker 4: sports and Antonio Brown, any of those names that you

492
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Speaker 4: have an issue with. Are you are and are you

493
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 4: convinced that that woke is out of sports?

494
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Speaker 5: Uh?

495
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Speaker 2: I am not convinced, because there are there are a

496
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 2: couple of things that are still being done which are

497
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: merely for show. I don't know. Necessarily, I don't think

498
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 2: that having a mindset of if you want to call

499
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 2: it progressive, but actually progressing as people. I don't think

500
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: of that as a bad thing. I think when it's artificial,

501
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: when it's forced, and when you know what I mean,

502
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 2: it's like, what are we actually doing here? Like again,

503
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: my point is we pushed and search for for different

504
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 2: ways to grow and evolve in every what we're doing

505
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: with the radio show, what we do is a network. Heck,

506
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: what I do in my college basketball program, it's it's

507
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 2: when it's kind of forced down your throat and forced

508
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it from for a political stance,

509
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:33,360
Speaker 2: that's when it doesn't feel good. I did I did

510
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,800
Speaker 2: you know why? Because he's a fucking comedian. He's supposed

511
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: to be funny, you know, and like I think the

512
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 2: one there probably uh Levatards most bothered by is the

513
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:50,719
Speaker 2: Karl Anthony Towns Hey girl, right, and it's I mean funny.

514
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 2: I can't believe he said it, but it's what everybody

515
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: has talked about at Carl Anthony Towns is that he

516
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: does have some he does have some habits or some

517
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 2: things that he does, which you like, it's kind of

518
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 2: feminine kind of is what he does. And yeah, there's

519
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: you know, there's always going to be gay rumors about athletes.

520
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: Do I think that's cool? Like in if you're doing

521
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 2: like a normal interview, like no, but he's a comedian,

522
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 2: like I just he's a comedian. Yeah, yeah, that's I think.

523
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Speaker 2: Do I think it still exists in sports. Yeah, I

524
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: think that. I do think that as the pendulum swings,

525
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 2: it's swinging back more in the other direction, which means

526
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: it'll settle like most things in the middle. But I

527
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: do think that the pendulum has swung from being way

528
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: out to one side to being closer to the other side.

529
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Speaker 4: Maybe my favorite thing and she's really she's really made

530
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: her herself relevant in the last week. So coming off

531
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Speaker 4: the Shane Gillis saying, you had all the reaction, and

532
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 4: then Sarah Spain had an issue with all the w

533
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Speaker 4: NBA jokes and she even went so far as to

534
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Speaker 4: offer like alternative jokes like she's she's telling a comedian

535
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Speaker 4: how to be funny. So my whole thing was if

536
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Speaker 4: Sarah Spain didn't like my joke, then it was a

537
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 4: hilarious joke, like she she's here's the other side.

538
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Speaker 2: Of here's the part of Sarah Spain that like, I

539
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 2: don't really understand, how like does she think we all

540
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Speaker 2: don't remember? Sarah was a producer in Chicago, and a

541
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Speaker 2: good one, much like yourself. And obviously she hadn't done

542
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: it as long, but she was. She was a good

543
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Speaker 2: local radio producer and she would come on and most

544
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Speaker 2: of the stuff she you talk about about being like

545
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: a raunchy single girl in Chicago, and you go from

546
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 2: that to being this like advocate for feminism. It's just

547
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 2: a it's a stretch for those of us who remember. Now. Look,

548
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: I mean I could point out that that that Clay,

549
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: some of that is performative as well, right where I

550
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: love Clay, but as he admits, like he voted for

551
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: Obama twice. Man, so I think some of it is profiteering.

552
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: You know, where you see an avenue there to be

553
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 2: successful and you dive into it. I think that's what

554
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 2: Sarah has done. I don't I don't think for one

555
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 2: second I would guess. I don't know. I don't think

556
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Speaker 2: that the feelings that you know, like the idea that

557
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: she's offended, I don't think she's actually really offended. I

558
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: think that's part of her role. I think that's who

559
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 2: she thinks she's become, and that's that's that's her. That

560
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 2: was her way into you know, in front of the camera.

561
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: That's your way in front of the microphone, and that's

562
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: your way to remain relevant. I truly believe that.

563
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Speaker 4: I encourage our listeners if they're if they haven't been

564
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: paid attention that she had an exchange with Stacy King

565
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Speaker 4: that I think represents everything that came out of the

566
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Speaker 4: of the All Star Weekend for the w NBA. So

567
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 4: What's her Face came out and said that we all

568
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: read on the t shirts and Team Clark wasn't there.

569
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Speaker 4: What's her casey plum, Kelsey Pum, So the whole Kelsey

570
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Speaker 4: Plum thing. And I think we made this point a

571
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 4: few weeks ago when Sam had to explain his punchline

572
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 4: to us. I said, if you have to explain the punchline,

573
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 4: then it didn't work. It wasn't funny. So Sarah Spain

574
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 4: has taken it upon herself to pick these battles and

575
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Speaker 4: explain that it was a joke that she was referring

576
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Speaker 4: to Team Clark, not Caitlin Clark, that Team Clark was

577
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: a thing. So again, if you have to explain the punchline,

578
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: then the joke didn't land. And most people took it

579
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Speaker 4: as it was some kind of a wife at Camlin Clark,

580
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 4: including Stacy King and her and Sarah Spain and him

581
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: had this back and forth on Twitter. You got to

582
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 4: you gotta read anyways, So to sum this up, Uh,

583
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: woke culture in sports is annoying, and you say it's

584
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 4: still going to live on. Uh, I didn't know Philip

585
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 4: Rivers was retiring or didn't retire. And then Cam Newton

586
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 4: on Jalen Hurts and Ryan Clark has yet to come

587
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: out and he could by the time this podcast airs,

588
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: he could call Cam Newton a racist.

589
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Speaker 2: I I say, does Sarah Spain one of them? Are

590
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 2: we listening to?

591
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 3: Heah, let's definitely employ.

592
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Speaker 2: I think Sarah span and it's not. Here's why, Okay,

593
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: it's because I think so much of this is performative.

594
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of people. You don't know Sarah,

595
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm guessing right, and I haven't. I'm not going to

596
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: say we're friends now, Like I haven't been friendly with

597
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: her probably in a decade, and she like flipped. Now

598
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: there is a world in which this is who she is, right,

599
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 2: this is who she's always been, and she was playing

600
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: a role when she's playing the raunchy producer. Fine fair,

601
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: it does happen. But I think the real Sarah Spain

602
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: is actually she was funny as shit and she was

603
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: super cool to hang be around. This person is the

604
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 2: opposite of that. She is not fun at all, and

605
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Speaker 2: the fact that I completely agree with you. If Sarah

606
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 2: Spain is offended, then you nailed at Shane Gillis and

607
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 2: that whole I just the performative taking aside so that

608
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 2: helps you or sustains your.

609
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 3: Career is a nice.

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Speaker 1: Why are we doing this because we can?

611
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: Eric Burns.

612
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: Eric Burns has been in this segment a couple times

613
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 4: the last few weeks because Will Clark is on his

614
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 4: podcast Lot of Blue Language, and Eric Burns explains why

615
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 4: ABS should have been instituted yesterday, something that I've said

616
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 4: on this show for the better part of eighteen months.

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Speaker 11: As far as the automated strike system, the robo up,

618
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 11: this can't come soon enough. The challenges we're entertaining, I

619
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Speaker 11: enjoy them. Some of them they got right, some they

620
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 11: got wrong. Why are we wasting a fucking time with this?

621
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Speaker 11: We know what every single pitch is. Could we just

622
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 11: call it a paull and just call it a strike

623
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Speaker 11: and move on and quit the petty bullshit. Quit trying

624
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 11: to make the ups feel more relevant than they have

625
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Speaker 11: to be. Quit trying to have the players decipher whether

626
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 11: or not these things are polls to strike.

627
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Speaker 1: This is really fucking hard, really really hard.

628
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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 11: This is why I've been lobbing for the robo up

630
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 11: for years. We've already proven it's not taking jobs away.

631
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Speaker 11: You're just giving them assistance on balls and strikes. I

632
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 11: don't need the game within the game, the strategy of win,

633
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 11: to challenge and when not to judge.

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Speaker 2: Fuck that.

635
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 11: If it's a ball as the ball off a strike

636
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 11: as a strike, we know right away.

637
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:05,799
Speaker 3: Put an IFP in the umpire's ear.

638
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: He hears it.

639
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 1: Ball strike, ball strike. It's not that fucking heard.

640
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, I've heard a lot of people say the

641
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 2: exact same thing, the exact same thing. I do think

642
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: they like the performative nature of it. I do think

643
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: it's part of it feels too aniseptic for it to

644
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: be for you know, I think with the ABS, I

645
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: think it works. I'm gonna disagree with him. Why can

646
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: we play it for you? Because we can't. That's it

647
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