1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Kevin jen just twenty six years old. Just last week, 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: he announced he was going to get married, got down 3 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: on one knee and proposed to the love of his life. 4 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: But instead of planning a wedding, now his beloved sweetheart 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: and family are planning a funeral and I want to 6 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 1: know why breaking knees. Right now, we are learning that 7 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: police have a POI person of interest. Take a listen 8 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: to the new Haven Police Chief. The new Haven Police 9 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: departments Hamaside Unit is looking for mister King Swan pon 10 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: date of birth of four, sixteen, nineteen ninety one. His 11 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: name is spelled q I n x u a N 12 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: last named pa N again data birth for sixteen nineteen 13 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: ninety one. Mister Pong was last seen at the Best 14 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: Western Hotel to a one Washington Avenue in North Haven. 15 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: His last known address is one thirty one correction one 16 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: ninety three Clifton Street in Malden, Massachusetts. We know that 17 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: mister Pong is a graduate of MIT and has an 18 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: affiliation with that university. I am asking that the public 19 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: knows that mister Pong should be considered armed and dangerous 20 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 1: and that he that extreme question should be used. If 21 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: you come in contact with this individual. What happened? Take 22 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: a listen to this. I heard a gun shot, a 23 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: woman's scream, several shots after that. The neighbor recalls the 24 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: harrowing details of what occurred at the corner of Lawrence 25 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: and Nicole Street at eight thirty Saturday night. Waited about 26 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: a minute, came out and saw the bodyline there. The 27 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: decease has been identify as twenty six year old Kevin 28 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: Jeong of West Haven, Yo University confirms he was a 29 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: graduate student in their School of Environment. He was a 30 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: member of the class of twenty twenty two. Multiple witnesses 31 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: confirmed hearing between three to six shots. I'm still shaking 32 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: up about it. All night, we were all disbelief, the 33 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: entire Yale community and many groups and organizations. Jong was 34 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: a part of her carrying that disbelief as well. Hey guys, 35 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: you were just hearing our friends at Fox sixty one. 36 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: This young man, newly engaged Lieutenant Kevin Jien had reached 37 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: the level of a lieutenant within the army. He drove 38 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: a tank. He also in the reserves. He also volunteered 39 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: religiously at his church, Trinity Baptist, about a mile from 40 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: where he was murdered. They recently engaged, as in about 41 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: six to seven days engaged. Young man had majored at 42 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: Washington University and environmental studies, and then it was just 43 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: a few short months away from getting his master's degree 44 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: at Yale University the IVY leagues. I looked it up online. 45 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: It's about sixty five grand all in for one year 46 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 1: at Yale in the master's program. His mother had to 47 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: give up her life and the household expenses of her 48 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: home in Seattle and moved there. They ended up living 49 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: together to save money so he could get his master's degree. 50 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: You think I'm going to sign up for sixty five 51 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: grand so my kid can get shot down in the road. No, 52 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: And what is Yale saying, Oh, We're sorry? What about 53 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: the six murders in the college town in six weeks. 54 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: Let's get into it, joining me an all star panel 55 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 1: to break it down and put it back together again. 56 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags and host 57 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: of Today with Doctor Wendy on k c b Q. 58 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: You can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. 59 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, who studied and worked at Yale, Chief Psychiatry, 60 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: Memorial Regional Healthcare Assistant professor at Yale, and you can 61 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: find him at doctor Daniel Bober on Twitter bo b r. 62 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin with a C. Former law enforcement now PI 63 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:42,159 Speaker 1: with Crispin's Special Investigations dot com. The medical examiner for 64 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: the entire state of Florida. Doctor Tim Gallagher you can 65 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 1: find him at PATHCAREMD dot com. But straight now to 66 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: Crime Online dot com, investigative reporter, also with Lead Stories 67 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Alexis Terres Chuck, Alexis, I don't get it. 68 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: This guy minding his own business. Eight thirty on a 69 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: Saturday night. I believe he's about a mile from his church, 70 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: a few minutes away from his new fiance's home. I mean, 71 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: they've been together over a year, but they were just 72 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: nearly engaged, and all of a sudden he turns up dead. 73 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: As I understand, his car had damned, new damage to 74 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: the back of the car like it had been REI ended. 75 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: He was shot multiple times and found lyne outside the vehicle. 76 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: Tell me something I don't know, Alexis well. I don't 77 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 1: know if everybody across the country knows, but there was 78 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: a huge snowstorm in the northeast. So this was not 79 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: a road. This whole area was covered with snow. Eight 80 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: thirty on Saturday night. It wasn't like the road was clear. 81 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: It wasn't like he could have been speeding away or anything. 82 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: He's driving slowly through the snow and he's there at 83 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: a corner and the car had damage. It looks as 84 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: if someone has rear ended him, fresh damage. And as 85 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: you said, yes, he's just got engaged, got down on 86 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: one knee, also in the snow, proposed to his girlfriend, 87 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: give her a rank. He was gushing about how happy 88 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: he was. He posted all over Facebook. She said, yes, 89 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: I love her. They met through church and then neighbors 90 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: say they heard shots. First they heard two shots bring out, 91 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: and then there was a pause, and then they hear 92 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: five more in rapid successions. And he's outside of the car. 93 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: He's not inside. Something happened to make him get out 94 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: of this car, and these people shot him in cold blood. 95 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,600 Speaker 1: You are bringing to mind a lot of lines of questioning, 96 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,239 Speaker 1: avenues of interrogation. I want to deal with the snow, 97 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 1: and I want to deal with the pause in the 98 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 1: seven shots, two shots, paws and five shots. That is 99 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: significant for many many reasons, But I want to first 100 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: deal with the snow. Let me go straight out to 101 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: you too. Robert Crispin PI, former comp now at Crispin 102 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: Special Investigations dot com. We know that the crime rate 103 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: goes down and the colder months and goes up when 104 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: it gets warm and everybody is more out and about 105 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: seemingly we go down even more during COVID. But here 106 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: you've got this town of Behaving, Connecticut. It's the college town, 107 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: but it's fairly depressed. There's about one hundred and thirty 108 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 1: thousand population, and a few years ago a study was 109 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: conducted one in four people here live in poverty in 110 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: the shadow of Yale University. But the snow, the deep snow, 111 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: Alexis Terreschac just reported about that actually should make a 112 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: difference in this case because it certainly lowers statistically the 113 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: likelihood of violent crime jump in well, I mean maybe 114 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: to a point, but until you upset somebody or you 115 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: piss somebody off, all that goes out the window. Because 116 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: we've got seven shots. We've got two shots followed by 117 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: the rest of them. They wanted him dead for whatever reason. 118 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: But I will tell you about the snow. I love 119 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: snow when it comes to a crime scene, because the 120 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: snow as soon as those officers arrive, is going to 121 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: tell us so much about that crime scene. It's going 122 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: to give us tire tracks of the offending vehicle. It's 123 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: going to give us footprints from the shooter. It's going 124 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: to give us a direction of travel that somebody left 125 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: in with the car, which is going to allow me 126 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: or the investigators to go back and start pulling video 127 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 1: cameras and backtracking from everybody's house to see where this 128 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: car came from. Maybe it came out of a drive 129 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: right down the street. You just don't know. But snow. 130 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: I love it the best evidence out there. I agree 131 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: with you regarding evidence, Member and Jamine. A big deal 132 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: was made that there were no tracks in the snow 133 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: outside the base window where it is believed the perpetrator 134 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: may have entered. Snow. Yes, I was thinking along the 135 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: lines of if this obviously not a carjacking because they 136 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: damaged the car and they left the car. But as 137 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 1: far as a rear end one, as Alexei's terres Chuck 138 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: pointed out, there were no high speed road rage incidents. 139 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: It was too snow. There could be there could be 140 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: so much more to this that that crash could have 141 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: been a roost exactly roos to lure him out of 142 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 1: the car. Of course, you know this is this takes 143 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: so much more to look into. You know, he just 144 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,680 Speaker 1: got engaged, He just went public with his engagement. Was 145 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 1: there a crazy jealous X level? What about that, Doctor 146 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober? What about the theory? Does this have something 147 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: to do with the engagement announcement the week before? Jump in? Yeah, 148 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: the timing is very curious, Nancy, and it's definitely something 149 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: that I would consider based on when the engagement announcement 150 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: was made. It doesn't sound like just a completely random event. 151 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about 152 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: the death of a twenty six year old young man 153 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: who had devoted his life to doing something good. His 154 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: name Lieutenant Kevin jen and he not only had served 155 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: his country as a tank operator in the Army, he 156 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: was in the reserves and he was working to find 157 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: a way to remove mercury from waterways and how to 158 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: help our world in our environment. He not only worked 159 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 1: at a food shelter, he cooked the food and served 160 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: it to the homeless. A guy totally devoted to his 161 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: faith a Christianity. He thought he had found his soul 162 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: mate and she thought the same. Their relationship now cut 163 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: short due to violence. What happened to Kevin? Take a 164 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: listen to our friends At Fox sixty one, Police say 165 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: they received multiple nine reporting gunfire and a person shot 166 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 1: in the area of Nash Street and Lauren Street. The 167 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: victim twenty six year old Kevin Jiang. He was shot 168 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: multiple times and died on scene. According to police, died 169 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: on the scene, shot multiple times. A pause in the shooting. 170 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: As I was discussing earlier with Robert Crispins at Crispins 171 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: Special Investigations dot Com. While there may not have been 172 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: a high speed road rage incident with the snow, that 173 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: could have easily contributed to a rear endure and everything 174 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: go sideways, what about that theory? Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. Yeah, 175 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: you know, that's one of the theories they're going to 176 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: be exploring, because what the gunshots tell us, it's the 177 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: sound of strategy. Two shots followed by five. There's almost 178 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: an element of planning that you wouldn't necessarily or at 179 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: all expecting a road rage incident. And I love what 180 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: our friend Robert Crispin explains, if somebody had intentionally set 181 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 1: out to commit this killing, they might think that snowstorm 182 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: would provide some cover without knowing it actually preserves evidence. 183 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: So if we've listened to the way those gunshots played out, 184 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: and we think about it as strategy as opposed to 185 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: road rage, that may give us some lea eats as 186 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: to who to look at next and how to begin 187 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: this investigation. I want to go to doctor Tim Gallagher, 188 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 1: a medical exam er, State of Florida. Doctor Gallagher, do 189 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: you recall the Wayne Williams serial killing case. I do. 190 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: I believe he was a serial killer from the DC 191 00:12:56,440 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 1: area Attata and in that case, which was tried in 192 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: the office where I prosecuted, So the first time ever 193 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,560 Speaker 1: that the use of fiber evidence was allowed in front 194 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: of a jury. Fiber evidence off many of the victim's 195 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: body young men matched exactly to fiber in Wayne Williams's 196 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: car or at his home, like shag carpet type fiber. 197 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: When you look under a microscope you can see that 198 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: it looks identical and from that fiber you can determine 199 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: what type of carpet. Of course, the color you may 200 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: get blood on it. But from just that fiber, you 201 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: can find the make, where it's manufactured, where it's sold, 202 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: and once he yet to where it's sold, you can 203 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: find who bought it, what kind of car it goes 204 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: into it it's out of the trunk or the bottom 205 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: the floor of your car. In this case, I mean, 206 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: have you ever had a chance to look at five 207 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: under microscope? Dodge Gallagher? Oh, we do here all the 208 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: time in OURSI lad, I'm leading up to the car. 209 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: Witnesses state to correct me if I'm rolling, Alexis tres Chuck. 210 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: Then they saw quote a shiny new black car playing 211 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: the scene? Yeah, shiny and black? How did they know 212 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: it was new? Did have a sticker? Did have one 213 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: of those h car lot tags on the back? Shiny 214 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: new black car flowing the scene? Did you? Did you 215 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: get that too? Alexis? Yeah? And also I find a 216 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: description of shiny. First of all, it's a thirty at night, 217 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: so it's dark, right, I've been at there are streetlights, 218 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: but shiny also again in this like I know it 219 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: wasn't snowing at that exact second, but it had been 220 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 1: a snowstorm. Like, why do these people have such a 221 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: fancy car? All of a sudden, in the middle of 222 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: a snowstorm, shiny new black car fleeing the same If 223 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: there was a rear ender and this was a result 224 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: of road rage or an accident, or even alluring technique 225 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 1: to get Kevin out of the car, there is gonna 226 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: be paint, black paint on the back of Kevin's car. 227 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: What about that, doctor Gallagher? And from that paint we 228 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: can actually determine what kind of car it was, what 229 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: manufacturer uses this particular compound ingredients in the paint onto 230 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: what car, and what are the local dealerships, and who 231 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: bought those cars in the last year. If it's shiny, 232 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: new and black, bam, well it's true. You know, we 233 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: could even do better than that. A lot of the times, 234 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: that will alert the repair body shops in the area. 235 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: If somebody had a new car, they'd probably want to 236 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: fix it, you know, and we would alert the body 237 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: shop owners that if this car presents at your office 238 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: or at your establishment, that we would like a phone call. 239 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: And cars can change hands. New cars can change hands. 240 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Often it could be a rental car. Maybe that's why 241 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: it looks new, you know. But somewhere, somewhere alone the 242 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: line somebody's gonna want to fix, you know, a car 243 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: with front end damage and said or burn it. Do 244 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: you remember in the DC mansion murders where a whole 245 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: family I believe with the Savopolis family was killed and 246 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: the car had been stolen. I think it was a 247 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: Porsche And it was no time after that that Porsche 248 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: was found on fire in a different neighborhood. So that's 249 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: serial number. We can give the Vin number from a burn. 250 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: That's even better. If we do find a car, somebody's 251 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: going to get unload that car. They're gonna fix it, 252 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: sell it or burn it or get rid of it, 253 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: put it into a body of water, anything to disconnect 254 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: them from Kevin's car. So straight out to you, to 255 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, here's the deal. There are entire units within 256 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: police forces, especially in metropolitan areas, that do nothing but 257 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: cars because it's so overwhelming. The carfs f by receiving 258 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: the f by taking chop shops the works. Every year, 259 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: almost every year, designers change something. It may be subtle 260 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: on a car. I mean, come on, look at the bug, 261 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: the VW bug and look at it now. Hello, that's 262 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, Even if it's subtle the rear 263 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: ends are changed, like the tail lights, something, the side mirrors, 264 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,159 Speaker 1: and a good car detective can actually tell you just 265 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: like that what the make, the model of the year, 266 00:17:57,040 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: everything about the car. Based on those subtle changes, you 267 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: can probably explain it better than I can't. Go ahead 268 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: us because you know the detectives they deal with this 269 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 1: every day. I mean, you know a lot of good cops. 270 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: You know, see a car going away from when the 271 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: car hits the brakes, and they can tell you exactly 272 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: what kind of car, what kind of suv it is, 273 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: because of where the upper tail light is or or 274 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: what the size of the middle brake light is, I mean, 275 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: the make and model of these things. When they deal 276 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: with it every day, and someone starts to describe a 277 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,200 Speaker 1: car to you as a late person, they're like, I 278 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:31,359 Speaker 1: just remember it had a super bright light and had 279 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: a really really bright red light at the top in 280 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: between the two right on the trunk. Well, to me, 281 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: it's a car. SUVs have them up top. So all 282 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: these different little you know, leads, and all these different 283 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: little statements from your witnesses kind of start to put 284 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 1: everything together, and it's just how they do it. Take 285 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: it a vehicle pedestrian crash. You know, the vehicle hits 286 00:18:53,359 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: the pedestrian, kills the pedestrian, but he leaves he leaves 287 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: part of this taillight, I mean part of this headlight 288 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: where he leaves his rear view mirror on the side. 289 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 1: All that can be tracked back to the make modeling 290 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: kind of card is Robert Crispin? Do you have children? 291 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 1: Did you ever watch Aristocrats with them? Occasionally? Okay, we've 292 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 1: seen it maybe one hundred hundred times, hundred and five times. 293 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: This is just like over and over and over. Well, 294 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: there is a scene in Aristocats and I would probably 295 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 1: tell the jury this where there's two dogs, I swear 296 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: I think their names are Napoleon and Bonaparte, but I'm 297 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: not sure. And one of them can lift his ear 298 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: up and he can tell you what's coming. He can 299 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: tell you if it's Bertram, the evil butler that drugged 300 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: the kitty cats. He can tell you if it's Jealope, 301 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: if it's a bicycle, if one tyrus flat. What I'm 302 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: saying is and a roundabout way, if we can get 303 00:19:54,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: any idea on this car at all, A good harcop 304 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: a detective can help determine the make, model, even the year, 305 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: and we could start tracking this killer climb stories with 306 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace who killed Kevin Jian. Guys, take a listen 307 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: to our friend Antonia Aello at CBS two. A sense 308 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: of shock and sadness has settled on the Yale University 309 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: community after the Saturday night's shooting death of grad student 310 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: Kevin Gia. I don't have a memory of him where 311 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 1: he wasn't smiling and happy, and even if you didn't 312 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: agree with all of his views, he was more than 313 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: happy to be your best friend. Eight thirty Saturday night, 314 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: residents in the East Rock neighborhood heard the distinct sound 315 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 1: of gunfire. One man spoke to me off camera. I 316 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: heard like around seven rapid guns shots like I turned 317 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: the lights off because I was scared. Police say someone 318 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: shot John multiple times. He was found near his car, 319 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: which had rear end damage. One possible mode of police 320 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: or exploring violent escalation after a road rage incident. We're 321 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: exploring every possibility, including whether or not there was an 322 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: accident that precipitated this incident, whether or not it was 323 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: a road rage. We do have very specific leads that 324 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: we're exploring or we're not ruling anything out at this time. 325 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: Straight out to doctor Daniel Bober, chief of psychiatry at 326 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: Memorial Regional Healthcare Systems and assistant professor at Yale, Doctor 327 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, you lived and worked in this area, this 328 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: exact area for such a long time. Did you hear 329 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: the neighbors say I was afraid? Isn't it true that 330 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 1: you often would wake up at not hearing gunfire? Yes, Nancy, 331 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 1: I mean this story is very personal to me, not 332 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: because just because of the Yale connection, but because he 333 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: was in the military as well, and I worked with 334 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: the military. But yes, quite frequently when I was living 335 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: in New Haven, I heard I heard gunshots all the 336 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: time at night. So there was definitely its sheriff crime 337 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: for sure. Now that's obviously not unique to New Haven, 338 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: and I don't think it has anything to do with Yale, 339 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: but it was definitely something I experienced when I was 340 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: living there. You know, I looked up online how much 341 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: it cost to go to Yale, and I just want 342 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: to tell you what I learned. Let's see here all 343 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: at oh right, here we go forty three plus forty 344 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: three thousand dollars plus to go to the be enrolled 345 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: in the Master's environment environmental program plus twenty thousand plus 346 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: four books and necessities. That's the bare minimum. That's about 347 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: sixty five thousand dollars. Bare minimum. I mean, then I 348 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: guess you have to eight right, and you have to 349 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: get back and forth to class. Says Why would anybody 350 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: pay seventy grand for their baby to be gunned down 351 00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: in the street to go to Yale University? I mean, 352 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: growing up on a red dirt road, as you know 353 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: that I did, I guess I dreamed of Ivy League, 354 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: and I was thrilled to get to go to Mercer 355 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: and to NYU to complete my legal studies. But I 356 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: would think long and hard before sending one of my 357 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: children to such a high crime area Doctor bober Well Again, 358 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I think Newhaven has a lot of depressed areas. 359 00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: There's definitely a lot of crime, but people send their 360 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: kids there because of the quality of the education and 361 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 1: the kind of people that they're going to be exposed 362 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: to on campus. He may enlighten the person that shot 363 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: Kevin's young did. I wasn't talking about him, but I 364 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: was talking about the other fessors and the other students. Yeah, 365 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: I hear you. I hear you, doctor bow for why 366 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:04,280 Speaker 1: did you go to Yale while I went to Yale 367 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: because you know, they had one of the best psychiatry 368 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: programs in the country, and I wanted to get the 369 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 1: best training so I could, you know, give the best 370 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: for my patience. And that's where I went. And I 371 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: had a great experience when I was there, and obviously 372 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: I was I myself was not a victim of crime, 373 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: but you know it's no secret that New Haven does 374 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: have some crime rid in areas for sure. Yeah. I 375 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,959 Speaker 1: remember taking out loans to go to law school at 376 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: Mercy University. First they're Walter at George School of Law, 377 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: and then later I went back for a master's degree 378 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: in Criminal and Constitutional Law NYU. That costs some money. 379 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: I remember I would eight one cucumber role, Alexas, you're 380 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: gonna love this, one cucumber role, one salad and water 381 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: for dinner while I was paying to go to NYU, 382 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: and I would sit there and study alone at the 383 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: sushi bar, eating my one cucumber role. People sacrifice so 384 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 1: much to go to name schools. I remember, Alexis how 385 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: thrilled we all were with my sister got into the 386 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: Wharton School at University of Pennsylvania. It was just the 387 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: biggest thing that ever happened to us. We were thrilled. 388 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about Kevin's mother, what she went through moving 389 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: from I believe it was Seattle to move in with 390 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: him to help him get through this. I mean, it's 391 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: a whole family effort to get somebody through an Ivy 392 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: League school. And he was even actually supporting her. He 393 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: was taking care of his mom. That's why he moved 394 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,119 Speaker 1: her across country so that he could cut down on 395 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,120 Speaker 1: expenses and they could live together. So she has nothing now. 396 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: Her son had been murdered, brutally murdered, and he was 397 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: the one that was taking care of her. This is 398 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: a wide reading tragedy. It's affecting so many lives. Guys, 399 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Zenia Maldonado at Fox 400 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: sixty one. I'll always remember him as being a very just, 401 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: welcoming and wholesome individual, and he was very proud to 402 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: be a part of the community. Jiang was a grand 403 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: student at the Yale School of Environment. The school holding 404 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: a virtual vigil for Jiang Monday night, his parents both 405 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: in attendance. He gave me a lot of a joy. 406 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: He's a litty thought theful woman boy picking cuff me 407 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: and I missed him. Have you all said he's a 408 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: very very charming we're a friend of me. Jiang served 409 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: in the US Army National Guard. During the vigil, those 410 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: who served beside him sharing memories. Everyone who met him 411 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: said that you are so so. They called him dig 412 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: Jang because he was so energetic all the time. Jang 413 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 1: was a few days away from celebrating his twenty seventh birthday, 414 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: and he proposed to his fiance Zion Perry, just last week. 415 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: Perry sharing a statement reading, in part, Kevin was and 416 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: is a gift from God. Life is so precious and short, 417 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,199 Speaker 1: and I am so thankful that God brought us together. 418 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: But strength his family is showing at a time like this, 419 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Robert Crispin, former 420 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: law enforcement now at Crispin Special Investigations dot com. What 421 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: are the cops doing right now? They keep giving statements, 422 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 1: They're not releasing a lot of information. I don't think 423 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: they wanted it to get out that he was outside 424 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: of the car when he was found sustaining multiple gunshot wounds. 425 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: All that's intentional that they're not releasing that information, and 426 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: it's also why they don't release the specific cause of 427 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: death in other cases. Obviously we know that our victim 428 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: was shot and killed. But there's a reason that they're 429 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: not releasing this information because if the bad guy's listening, 430 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 1: if the leads are still out there, and the evidence 431 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: is still out there, we don't want that campered with 432 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: or destroyed or altered in any way should we should 433 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: we find it. So there's a reason when they don't 434 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: tell you how somebody died. We just have a dead 435 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: body inside an apartment somewhere. Because if we do get 436 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: a victim, I mean, we do get a suspect and 437 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: we go to interview him, only the suspect's going to 438 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: know exactly the facts of that case when he goes 439 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: to when he goes to confess to us, Yeah, you 440 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: know what I did. I shot him in the head 441 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: and I shot him twice in the leg because he 442 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: upset me. Well, those are facts that only the suspect 443 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: is going to know. And you start putting out different 444 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: things into the public, and the bad guys starts seeing like, 445 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 1: oh my god, they know it's they know it's you know, 446 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: a black car I got to get rid of this car. 447 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: A lot of crimes happen and law enforcement releases information 448 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: that says we have absolutely no leads, we need help 449 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: from the public. These suspects sometimes get a false sense 450 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: of security. They keep driving the car. So there's a 451 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: reason that long ENFORFRONT releases certain things in a certain way. 452 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: They're not giving up. That to me tells me they 453 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: potentially have a suspect. They potentially have a car. They 454 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: could be doing active surveillance on a suspect right now. 455 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: They could be sitting on a car that's parked in 456 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: a parking lot in an apartment complex waiting for someone 457 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: to get into it. There's a host of things that's 458 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: going on, and they're not going to release what they've got. 459 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: They're giving you enough to get by Climb stories with 460 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about the death Lieutenant 461 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: Kevin Jean. What happened? Why is this twenty six year 462 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 1: old man dad with his life in front of him? 463 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut number four. This is 464 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: Tony Terzy at Box sixty one. Kevin Jian facebook page 465 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 1: biography was poignant. Life is a gift. I am so 466 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: thankful for so the community is grieving right now. This 467 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: is a loss of an extraordinary young man. At approximately 468 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 1: eight thirty pm on Saturday, officers responded after receiving numerous 469 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 1: nine one one palls of gunshots which occurred here in 470 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: the area of Lawrence and Nickel Streets in New Haven. 471 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: Kevin Jong pronounced dead on scene. His identity was confirmed 472 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: to be a resident of West Haven, twenty six years old, 473 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: and he was a graduate student attending the Yale School 474 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: of Environment. Police won't say much about the case, including 475 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: why Jiang, who had just proposed to his fiancee a 476 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: week before he was killed, was in the East Rock neighborhood. 477 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: We have developed information suggesting that this incident may not 478 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: have been an actual random act, that he in fact 479 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: was targeted. What do they mean by not a random act? 480 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: Does that have to do with his just announced engagement. 481 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Does it have to do with road rage? That he 482 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: was hunted down because of road rage and shot dead 483 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 1: in the street when he was a lured out of 484 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:22,000 Speaker 1: his car? What happened? The mystery only mounts as the 485 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: days go by. But I have another idea and I 486 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,640 Speaker 1: want to throw this out there to you. First of all, 487 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober. I want to circle back to you, 488 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: doctor Bober, assistant professor at Yale who also studied there. 489 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: I know that that was more of a rhetorical question. 490 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,479 Speaker 1: I know why people sacrifice all their money, all their 491 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: savings to help their children or themselves get through an 492 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: Ivy League school because it is believed that those are 493 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: the very best schools in the world and that if 494 00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: you can get through, you'll be set. I mean, you 495 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: think your children will be set for life if they 496 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: get that golden ticket that Yale University, Harvard University, University 497 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania, you know, Brown, that golden ticket that will 498 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: take them through the rest of their lives. That's why 499 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: people do it. It's the mecca of learning. Doctor Bober. 500 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. Yeah, I agree. Um, I think like 501 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 1: in the case of your sister, you said she got 502 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: into Warden. You know, Warden is probably the best business 503 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: school that there is. So, I mean, these are things 504 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: that parents do to give their kids every possible advantage 505 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 1: in life. And you know, crime is something that's going 506 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: to happen anywhere. In some areas have more crime than others. 507 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: But you know, you want the best for your kids, 508 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: and sometimes you're willing to make these sacrifices to make 509 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: that happen to you, Robert Crispin, And let me try 510 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: with you too, Wendy. This is a new Haven West Haven, Annecticut. 511 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: That is a coastal town. They're going to be a 512 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: lot of tolls, and throughout the northeast there are tolls, tolls, tolls, bridges, 513 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: and tolls with surveillance cameras. That's what I'm working up to. 514 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: Not only surveillance cameras on tolls basically any direction the 515 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: Purple would have gone, but residential surveillance cameras, public transportation 516 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: surveillance cameras, ring doorbell, you name it. There's a way 517 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: to try to piece together where this black car, this 518 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: shiny new black car went. I mean, Wendy Patrick, you 519 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: saw what the neu Canan police did in the case 520 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 1: of Jennifer Dulos, right, they pieced together a video timeline 521 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: based on everything from home surveillance video to bus doors 522 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 1: opening and closing and seeing the drive by. Now that's 523 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: exactly right. So well, we have thus far we have 524 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 1: earwitnesses and eyewitnesses. We have the people that heard the 525 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: distinct sound of gunfire as it was explained numerous nine 526 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: one one calls that, let you know, there are lots 527 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: of people that actually heard this. But if the eyewitnesses 528 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: that are going to be able to link up what 529 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: surveillance cameras may have captured regarding suspect vehicles with a 530 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: vehicle the shiny black cars that was described that was 531 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,320 Speaker 1: actually at the scene. And one of the challenges there, Nancy, 532 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: as you and I and actually as all of our 533 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,719 Speaker 1: deaths know, is you tend to recognize things you're familiar with. 534 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 1: So wouldn't it be great if you'd actually did have 535 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: somebody with a working knowledge of cars or some sort 536 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: of a mechanical background that would have been able to say, 537 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: those distinctive markings on that suspect vehicle matches what we 538 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: have on those surveillance videos, because it is the timeline 539 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: that eventually, hopefully is going to be putting this together 540 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 1: as a case gets prepared for a jury, not just 541 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: any black car, this black car. To Alexis Terre's Chuck 542 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: joining me Crime Online dot com investigative reporter as well 543 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: as with lead Stories dot Com, Alexis Molly tibbets remember 544 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: no leads What happened to Molly couldn't find her. Long 545 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,200 Speaker 1: story short, I believe it was residential home surveillance camera 546 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: catches a vehicle that is going back, and then it 547 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,840 Speaker 1: comes back, and then back and then back. Where in 548 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: the area where she was jogging. What did it have? 549 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,440 Speaker 1: It had distinctive markings on the side of it. I 550 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,640 Speaker 1: think it's gonna end up being scratches along the side 551 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: of that car. That's how they found the killer. And 552 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 1: I remember Michelle Parker of the so called People's Court Mom. 553 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: She had all of those stickers were glow tin or 554 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: something that she was advertising her home business on her hummer. 555 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 1: When her hummer was found, those individual peculiar to her 556 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 1: car only stickers have been scratched off. It's very significant 557 00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 1: if they can get video of this car to see 558 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: what if any markings are on it. But hey, the 559 00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: big one, I'm burying the lead here. There's gonna be damage, 560 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: most likely on the front. I'm gonna I can't say 561 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,480 Speaker 1: which in because I don't know where where Kevin's car 562 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 1: was damaged in the back, but there's gonna be damage 563 00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: on the front of that black car. Alexis and the 564 00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: police are gonna go to as you said, They're gonna 565 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: go to the repair shops. They know which ones probably are, 566 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, the the ones that are going to handle 567 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 1: quick fixes like this, and they're gonna go and they're 568 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,319 Speaker 1: gonna say, look, you, if you have this car, if 569 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: somebody comes in, you better let us know because it's 570 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,880 Speaker 1: part of a crime scene. It's not just oh, I 571 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: bumped into the wall as I was backing out of 572 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 1: my driveway, like this is the police. They're going to 573 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: go to each of these places around town that they 574 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: know and they're gonna do it. And also it doesn't 575 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: even have to be like the four houses on the 576 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: corner where Kevin was murdered. It can be two blocks down. 577 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: They can get the image if they see a black 578 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: car there either in any direction. It doesn't have to 579 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: be right around there, but they can get images further 580 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: away from the scene of the crime. And there's also, 581 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: to you, Robert Crispin, private investigator, Christens Special Investigations dot Com, 582 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: the issue of cell phone data or if Kevin's vehicle 583 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: had a nav navigational system, because we can look and 584 00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,400 Speaker 1: see where he was and for how long. For instance, 585 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 1: where was he right before the shooting. Hadn't he been 586 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,560 Speaker 1: in a bar, Did he get an altercation, did he 587 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,439 Speaker 1: get an argument with somebody in the grocery store parking 588 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: lot and they followed him. I mean, you can learn 589 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: so much from that navigation system in the car and 590 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: from his cell phone, right, Crispin. Absolutely, And as a 591 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: matter of fact, that knife cuts both ways, because once 592 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: I developed a suspect and I dropped a subpoena for 593 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: his cell site tower location, I can ping him right 594 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: to the scene. So if I catch a LPR, we 595 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,520 Speaker 1: call them the license plate readers, and we do identify 596 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: a vehicle and we identify a suspect. It's just like 597 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: here in Florida, you can't go anywhere without getting caught 598 00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,640 Speaker 1: by a license plate reader. And you know, we do 599 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: talk about some of these places are more repressed and 600 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: there's more homicides, believe it or not, especially here in Miami. 601 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,800 Speaker 1: There's more license plate readers in some of the requested 602 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: areas where our higher crime rate is. So I'm going 603 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: to probably venture to say that you know, they're they're 604 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: employing the LPR system and they're trying to identify something. 605 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: And to talk about the cell phones. Absolutely, you're carrying 606 00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,800 Speaker 1: an electronic device that is paying off hundreds and hundreds 607 00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,879 Speaker 1: of towers as you're driving. Every time you drive down 608 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: the road and you stand your phone for an hour talking, 609 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: driving up the turnplate, you're bouncing off the cell phone 610 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,840 Speaker 1: towers and they're they're jumping your signal to tower to 611 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:56,160 Speaker 1: tower to tower, and technology today to put you within 612 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: fifty feet of a crime scene. Guys, for those of 613 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: you don't know about lpr's license plate readers, we pass 614 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: them all the time, Robert. The ones that I'm familiar 615 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,279 Speaker 1: with are just a straight metal rod sticking up let's 616 00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,000 Speaker 1: just say, inside the interstate and then horizontal to that, 617 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: or a series that looked like solar panels, you know, 618 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 1: maybe two feet tall, and those are actually license plate readers. 619 00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: Are those the ones you're talking about. So there's a 620 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,560 Speaker 1: couple of different kinds. Obviously, there's the fixed ones that 621 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: are bridges or on long interstates, but there's also the 622 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: ones that are on police cars and those cameras. If 623 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: you look at the hood or you look at the 624 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,640 Speaker 1: near the light bar or the back deck of the 625 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,840 Speaker 1: police car, you see those cameras are angled down a 626 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: certain way, and as that officer's driving around, those tags 627 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: or those cameras are automatically running your tag. They're giving 628 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: up picture, they're giving a GPS coordinate location, and they're 629 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: running it to see if it's stolen. Automatically. The computer 630 00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,399 Speaker 1: is designed to do that, just as the cop down 631 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: the street. It's how we find a lot of people. 632 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: Once we get your tag, I can tell you where 633 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 1: you are, what time your car was parked there, and 634 00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: I have an image of it. I can guarantee is 635 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 1: the LPR is going to come into this a little 636 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: bit if they can get a tag again. In the 637 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: last hours, the breaking news is that there is a 638 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: POI person of interest. Does what we know about this man, 639 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: Ken Sean Pon fit with the evidence that we know 640 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: to be true? Take a listen again to the New 641 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,400 Speaker 1: Haven Police Chief. Mister Pon is wanted for questioning at 642 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: this time. We have a warrant for his arrest for 643 00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: a stolen vehicle out of north Haven Correction for a 644 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,279 Speaker 1: stolen vehicle that he possessed in north Haven. The North 645 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 1: Haven Police Department came in contact with mister Pong soon 646 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: after our homiside. He is currently a person of interest 647 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: in our investigation. But I want to make sure you 648 00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:02,200 Speaker 1: know that he is currently now not wanted on that homicide. Again, 649 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,600 Speaker 1: he should be considered armed and dangerous, and we asked 650 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,960 Speaker 1: the public to continue their efforts to help us in 651 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: identifying any further witnesses. Any more information that you have 652 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: is critical to this investigation, but we just want to 653 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:20,080 Speaker 1: make sure that the public knows that he has been identified. 654 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 1: If you're questioning what you just heard some of mine, 655 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: it's a lot of double talk. Bottom line, they're looking 656 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,240 Speaker 1: for this guy, Keishawn Pan. They're not calling him a suspect. 657 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: They're saying he is armed and dangerous. That's enough for me. 658 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,160 Speaker 1: The search is on Nancy Grace Crime Story. Signing off, 659 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:37,439 Speaker 1: goodbye friend,