WEBVTT - J. Holiday 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:10.080 R and B Money than take Volati. 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.640 We are the authority. 0:00:15.560 --> 0:00:19.079 R and B. I'm Valentine and this is the R 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:25.959 and B Money Podcast and today, Oh man, I'm just 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.680 gonna kick this off. We're not the same person. We're 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:31.440 not I know, I know the names are similar, but 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:32.040 we are not. 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:33.760 The same pearl. Yeah with it. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:39.159 Yeah, this good brother right here is Grammy nominated multi platinum. 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:40.920 Come on, man, and we were about to really get 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:41.360 into it. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:41.640 Man. 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:43.279 You know, so some of you ladies might have Yeah, 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:44.479 you know, y'all might want to get into bed. 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.199 Uh, don't suffocate yourself though, you know, but you know 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:50.120 it's gonna be a lot of pivoting. It's a lot 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:55.000 of cool shit going on today. My brother Jay Holiday. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:55.840 What's going on? 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.400 Brother, It's going on. Man, that's crazy. You said that 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:02.880 though they definitely thought it was the same for a minute. 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.399 We're the same person sometimes, bro, we are. Yeah, we 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:07.160 actually could be brothers. That's what we said that when 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:07.559 we met. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:09.679 You know, you know what the funny party is too, man. 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:13.039 I think with both of our personalities, I don't think 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:14.959 either one of us ever took it as like a 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.480 slight because something, you know, it's funny because I think, 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.759 you know, obviously in this new Internet era for people 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.240 purposely they'll. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.640 Be like, yeah, J and Jay Holiday. 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.640 I'm like, you know, I'm not Jay Holiday, but you know, 0:01:29.800 --> 0:01:32.240 you know I'm not like and you think I'm about 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:34.080 to get mad or like that's the homie. 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.679 But some people are that stupid and well, not stupid, 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:38.600 but like absent minded. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:43.119 Yeah, call nobody stupid, but yeah, stupid on the Internet. Though. 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.360 Let's just be honest, man, because the Internet is for everybody, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.240 is free, it is, you know what I mean. 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:52.360 But uh, let's let's get into it. Bro. Let's man, 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:54.640 let's let's get back to d C. Let's go. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.600 Let's start back young j Holiday. Your upbringing mm hmm. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.760 As far as from a musical standpoint, like what got 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.360 you into this thing? 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.440 First and foremost, I'll say my oldest sister, Quinnie. She 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.359 was a singer, so okay, she did like she did 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:15.320 the Go Go bands, and then at one point she 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:19.400 ended up singing background for Crystal Waters and touring and stuff. 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:21.320 Yeah yeah, So seeing her do. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:25.000 It and then finding out, oh I can sing, she 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.680 was like a big brother I never had. Okay, you 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:29.200 know what I'm saying. Like you want to follow your 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.280 big brothers. Sure, for sure, I have a big brother. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:34.799 So it's like it's just watched her getting that. Yeah, 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:38.760 well she was doing a little fun man, and and 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.079 then I just I liked it. I never wanted to 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:43.200 be an artist though. That's the crazy part. When she 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:44.560 was doing what she was doing, I didn't want to 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.880 be artists. I just love the fact that I could sing. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:52.600 My mom sing she was in a group with her sisters. Yeah, 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.880 my dad plays saxophone and stuff like that. But yeah, man, 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.440 I just I she helped me figure out I could sing. 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:02.680 So she's the first discovery for you. Yeah, for sure, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:03.600 for sure. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.760 Okay, So whereas was it like you and your because 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:09.720 now it's funny, man, in my house, my kids singing 0:03:09.760 --> 0:03:12.200 the shower or in their lower homes, but neither one 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.399 of them just outwardly sing. They don't just they don't, 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:16.200 you know, I mean like they're just start walking around singing. 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.079 So I almost be like. 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.399 Let me see if we got the notes, we got 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.160 to start turning with Joe Jackson quick right. So was 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.480 it something like that for her of hearing you do 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.760 it on the low or you just was like listen, hey, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:35.119 big sis, not me saying something for you. 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:35.880 You know what's funny. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.600 By the time I actually so me and my sister, 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:46.080 I'm forty four, she is fifty d three Okay, fifty 0:03:46.080 --> 0:03:46.880 three fifty four. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:47.320 Something like that. 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.640 So by the time I even realized I could say, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.760 she was out the house, you know what I mean. 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.960 So she wasn't really around for the discovery, you know 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:00.480 what I mean. It was more so like my cousins 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:02.680 and stuff like that, get me to sing for their 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:03.600 girlfriends and stuff. 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.040 You gotta do that. You gotta do that all my 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.800 little cousin can see. Were you in a group early? 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:10.960 Was it starts? 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.480 I was in a few few groups. Yeah, yeah, I 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:15.360 was in a few groups. 0:04:15.400 --> 0:04:15.600 Man. 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.160 I never was crazy. I never wanted to be the 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.160 lead singer, which I ended up being. Okay, never you 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:26.479 just you harmonize it, right. I wanted to be I 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.880 wanted to be a background. It's going to be a 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:30.760 part of the party. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.080 Yeah, you know what I mean. Let me. Let me 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:35.400 be a part of the part of the artists. Being 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:39.279 the lead singer. It's a different responsibility, way way different. 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:43.320 It's a very and it's crazy because in this new 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.359 Daan and age that's all the new artists really know. 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.840 They're not even trying to like grow. 0:04:50.000 --> 0:04:52.080 The stigma is groups always break up. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.720 Well, this is about. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.880 Ninety I'm not even said you know, you know what 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.839 I mean though, Like, but break bad breakups. 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.840 Some groups don't break up bad, you know what I mean. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:09.640 Some groups just don't break up bat and they're still 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.560 cool and they still family, they have cookouts and all that. 0:05:11.640 --> 0:05:16.840 But most groups haven't broken up. Sorry five. I think 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:22.360 Jacket is probably the only group that ain't never broke up. Yeah. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:24.000 Yeah, when you so, as soon as we start talking 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:25.880 about groups, I start thinking about that, I'm like, it's 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:26.920 probably only. 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:33.679 Jack Wow the group. So you're right, it's not a stigma. 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.800 Oh man. At this point, now you got me, I'm 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:41.479 literally away from the group. Yeah, I think too, don't. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.520 I don't know if they understand the power now in 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:47.039 groups and because there's a power in that, it's always 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:51.200 been in multiple voices and giving you know, the fans 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:53.279 multiple choices. 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:54.920 Of who they like in a group. Absolutely, you know 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:55.440 what I'm saying. 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:59.080 So man, I'm hoping and praying and I you know, 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:01.119 I've said it many times on the show. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.760 At some juncture I'm going to put together a group. 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:07.240 I have to. I know it's going it's gonna stress me. 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:08.760 I've been looking for them. I know it's gonna stress 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:09.080 me out. 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.920 But sometimes a couple of the groups that I haven't seen, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:14.240 they already have motions. So it was kind of like, man, 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:15.800 keep on your things, you know what I mean? I 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:20.760 don't even you always got folks I want to step in. Yeah, like, 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:22.000 don't be the step in guy. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:24.880 Don't be in the way. Don't be in the way. Yeah, 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:25.320 it was. 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.640 It wouldn't have been organic because they already had motion, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.800 you know what I'm saying. But them guys, I think 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:30.880 they ended up going on. 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:35.520 What's the Fame Show? Oh you're talking about City Limit? 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:41.279 Yeah they don't. Yeah, you already know who I'm talking about. Yeah, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.840 I rived with those Yeah they went on there. Did 0:06:43.839 --> 0:06:47.680 they think? So it's powering it? Yes? Like you said, now, 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:48.760 you got to keep it together. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.680 I got to keep together, even though I love being 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.960 says now by myself, because I don't got to worry 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:54.320 about nobody throwing me off. 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:57.279 But because that happens in groups. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.440 Groups don't always have one hundred perfect performances. But my 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:05.560 days in a group. That was fun man, and this 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.880 is your teenage. Yeah, they were fun days. Yeah, I 0:07:07.920 --> 0:07:10.560 actually came to Atlanta. Turned on when you came to it. 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:13.240 I turned twenty one in my group. That's how I 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:16.080 got to Atlanta with a group. How many guys it 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.280 was three of us? It was it was four and 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:21.240 then for it didn't even make it to Atlanta. Four 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:22.800 didn't make it to but no, no, no, it was. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.040 It was a new addition. He was with us for 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:25.840 like three months. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:30.040 Okay, really really a voice to men. Yeah, he was 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:30.760 looking know what I'm saying. 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:33.720 What I'm saying because we had five the audition always 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.080 say until Bobby left, I'm saying. You know, Mark Nelson 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:40.520 was the original member with the four guys. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:45.160 Yeah, the least singer of as yet history lessons. Yeah yeah, I. 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:47.560 Didn't know he was the one of one of the 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:49.680 original five. It was five of them. 0:07:49.720 --> 0:07:52.960 That's crazy. So yeah, we used to you know, every group. 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:57.200 We would study every group from Take six to Old Town. 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.840 You know what I'm saying, Like we're studying all the 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.960 white black It wasn't even really a K pop yet, 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.080 but you know what I'm saying, and man, it was, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.160 it was. It was just it was amazing, bro, you 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:12.200 know what I'm saying. So he didn't make it, and 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.560 but it was a look he didn't have to look 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.560 it was you know what I'm saying, that's not the 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:19.240 oldest man. We ain't gonna let nobody talk about me. 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:23.280 But no, for real, because it wasn't necessarily our decision. 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.679 The group had already been together for five years. 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:26.760 That's all I was gonna ask y'all. 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.400 So when y'all came to Atlanta, y'all got management everything 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:30.520 that that brought y'all here. 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We we were together for five years. 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.840 Like I said, we were a five part group. Two 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.320 of them went to the military. You know what I'm saying. 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.080 They just it was one of them. You're graduating from 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:43.600 high school. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.920 What you're gonna do? You know what I'm saying. Everybody 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:47.560 asked that moment. 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.199 But yeah, I had a little more leadway, you know 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.720 what I mean, as far as like I had a job, 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:55.679 you know what I mean. I was already taking pretty 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.120 much taking care of myself. So you know when you 0:08:58.160 --> 0:08:59.880 when you at the crib and Mom's just like, look, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:01.599 can't do this no more time? You to go and 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.000 make it about to be twenty. 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:04.360 One, you know what i mean. 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.640 So so they went to the army and shout out 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.880 to the man, shout out tomorrow and and Jeff. But 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:14.200 so then we was like three was like three was 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.240 icky to us, you know what I mean, Like in 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.360 our mind, every group that was pree failed. That's how 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:23.240 we looked at it, and not saying that's what happened. 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.120 Next, next, next, next got cracking exactly what I'm saying. 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.760 But then on top of that, we also we wanted 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.000 to compete with the be two k's. 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:33.960 We didn't want to compete. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:38.480 So it's like it was also about. 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.520 Yeah, dancing and whatever. 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.160 You know what I'm saying. You was getting used to 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.600 all right a little bit a little bit. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.000 And then he didn't, like I said, he didn't make it. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:54.160 And so the decision was, I mean, y'all can keep 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:55.760 them in a group, but you just can't go to Atlanta. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.400 That's that. That was the stipulation. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.120 He because I don't want to put nobody name out 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:05.000 of there, but anybody know my story. You already know 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:07.760 who I'm talking about. But it was just one of 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.240 them like he just don't fit. But he didn't fit 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:13.760 because he had just got with us sort of camaraderie 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.200 wasn't all the way there yet. Yeah, us three moving 0:10:17.240 --> 0:10:19.480 a certain kind of way just because we we've. 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:21.280 Been been together. We've been together, you know what I mean. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:24.400 So it was when I look back on it, he 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.760 would have stuck out like a sore throat, not because 0:10:26.800 --> 0:10:29.400 he couldn't say he was the other lead singer. 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:30.720 Oh shit. 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.720 Yeah, so that was a plus for me because I'm like, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:39.320 I don't got to do yeah, but I'm not about 0:10:39.320 --> 0:10:41.240 to miss out on his chance to go to Atlanta. 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:43.800 So yeah, I just had to. 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:46.160 I don't know why they always put the decision on me, 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:48.640 but because people are just like, was you the leader 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:51.040 of the group? Like, nah, I feel like we all 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.120 made decisions together, but for that one. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.560 At this point, you're the least singer of the group. Yeah. 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:59.320 I mean technically I was always the least singer, never 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:00.880 really usually to be. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.120 But where that responsibility lies of Okay, what we're gonna. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.640 Do, right, you know what I'm saying. So you know 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.880 he I mean, he took it on the chin pause 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.080 and we just we moved to Atlanta. 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:19.559 Man, Yeah, how long are y'all a group in Atlanta. A. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.400 Yeah, three sixty five days. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.640 So in that time we sat in front of everybody, y'all, 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.200 y'all go New York, Cali, everywhere, Craig County. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.880 Are they flying y'all every city to go. Oh yeah, No. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.400 This week we had we had the guy that brought 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:33.920 us down here. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:35.040 He was you know what I'm saying. 0:11:35.240 --> 0:11:37.319 He was about that life. So why do you think 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:39.640 it doesn't work? As far as getting y'all deal? 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.080 We came in on the tail end of B two. 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.760 K okay U twok was pretty much the last group 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:45.400 that got signed. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:50.559 Yeah. Yeah, so Niggas was like the group bears over. 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:51.600 We don't want to see it. 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:55.400 And every every meeting we went to was like, oh 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:58.360 they sound good, but they always try to put me, 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:00.560 always try to pull. 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:02.040 Me, even from the beginning. 0:12:01.679 --> 0:12:04.920 From the from the top, from the first meeting. No, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.480 we're not going to be like everybody else that was me. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.640 We're not breaking up. Ain't no, oh, this ain't no 0:12:12.640 --> 0:12:13.000 none of that. 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:15.920 In men school, then a year goes by. 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.440 Okay, I had mind you before I moved here, I 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.520 had two cars, two jobs, full time party job. Yet 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.240 I used to work at ex time mobile corporate job. Okay, 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.520 he's in corporate America early early, straight out of high school. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.320 That's dope. Yeah, that's dope. I was working at seventh 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.640 so that you could make decisions different too, right, got you? 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.640 Well, my mom's like, well, because all right. So I 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:42.280 was accepted the Clocking Moore House. But school, I hated school. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.160 I hate it elementary high school schools, and it was 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:47.839 just born. 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:51.480 To me, like, all right, I got it. Tough for creative, 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:53.679 it just got to get out of here. 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:59.240 It's tough for creative, especially in regular I literally hated school, 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.200 but I hated like the curriculum and just to teach 0:13:03.240 --> 0:13:04.240 in the classrooms in them. 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.960 Now, any any moments I had with my peers and 0:13:07.960 --> 0:13:10.400 all that, that was fun. But so I was like, 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:16.160 and this is what another big decision. I was like, 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.080 I don't think I'm ready. But I didn't think I 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.160 was ready because the first time I ever got drunk 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.280 in my life was at school orientation. I went to 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:27.760 orientation and everything and got and got drunk, got drunk 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:29.480 with some New York niggas. 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.280 Yeah, I know it's orientation. Man won't get faded. And 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.559 that's just what it turned into. See I didn't go 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:36.960 to college, so I don't know how this goes. 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:41.680 So me knowing myself, Okay, now mind you. My mom 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.319 drove me down. You know, we back home. My mom 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:44.880 drove me down. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.640 Wait, so this is at eighteen. This is before you 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:50.640 sixteen at this point, he's sixteen early. 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:51.440 No. 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:57.400 No, I graduated at seventeen. But you came to see 0:13:57.480 --> 0:14:01.320 the orientation. Yeah, because my birthday's like my birthdays are 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.880 no women. So came to orientation and my grandmother lived 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:05.559 here at the time. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:06.400 Press some peace. 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.679 But so my mom is at my grandmother's house and 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:12.240 I'm on campus, you know, because they've giving us. 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:14.640 The whole experience. So they threw a party for. 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:18.760 Us that night, and you know, we're just getting to 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.000 know everybody getting to know each other. 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:21.520 Oh man, I can't wait to see you at school. 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:22.000 And La. 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:25.760 Yeah it's cats from New York. I don't know where 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:28.160 they this one, but Cardile Moone first came out. I 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.440 remember what I drunk. 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.600 CARTI and the mom. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:35.320 Yeah, yeah, we didn't know that was a bad decision 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.600 at the time, but I continue where this story about 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.840 to go. No, nothing bad happened after that. 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.480 It was just the fact that I got drunk, and 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.360 so for me that nothing bad happened after that. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.200 But for me it was. 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:54.120 I'm drunk and my mama's down the street. M what 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.400 if she's all the way in a whole nother state. 0:14:56.760 --> 0:14:59.880 It scared the ship out of me. Even though I 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.480 a lot of my family was in Georgia, Augusta, Atlanta. 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:07.720 I had plenty of support, but that shit scared me. 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:07.920 Bro. 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:10.720 So when you got out, you're like, I'm just gonna 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:11.680 get it. I'm gonna get a job. 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:14.360 My mom says, you gotta get it. You gotta get one, Okay. 0:15:14.440 --> 0:15:18.600 So I deferred for a second. I deferred enrollment for 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.640 like a year. And then after I was working, I 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.560 was like, well, don't we go to college to make money. 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:27.440 I'm cool, but you're already there. You in corporate America. 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.600 Yeah, I'm cool on school, but you're still you have 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:33.840 this passion and drive. 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:35.880 Yeah. I was gonna go to school for music, Okay, 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:36.160 I was going. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.520 I don't know if I was gonna teach or whatever, 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:38.960 but that was gonna be my beture, you know what 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:39.280 I mean. 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.720 But but I'm saying, why you in corporate America? You 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:44.840 still have even though you're making bread, You're like, I 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:45.520 want to say. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:46.040 I'm still doing that. 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:48.360 I'm still doing that on the side, Like I'm so 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:50.040 I came out of high school. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:50.240 In my group. 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:53.400 Okay, so I'm already in the group once I graduate 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:55.800 because I gotta go to work. I just I can't 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.760 just sit around because the other two went to the 0:15:58.800 --> 0:16:01.240 military because they weren't trying to get in the job. 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.640 What happens when you get to Atlanta you're not working 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.880 and you just purely doing music. Though now you in 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:10.680 this group, Yeah, it's three of y'all. Nobody's nobody's bite nobody. 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:12.600 Did y'all even get an offer from anybody? 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:16.560 We never got an offer. That's we went to uh 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.240 what we went to Ariston? So all right, So one 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.080 of the one of the I guess you'd call it 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.960 a gimmick now, was one of. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.960 The guys in the group are playing play guitar. 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.480 So any of our meetings, we're not playing nothing, We're 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:32.800 not playing no TV track. 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:37.120 We're going we're going off the guitar. You're going acoustic, right, Okay, 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:40.320 So just walked in and. 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:41.920 What's crazy is PJ is still doing this thing down here. 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:46.040 Now he's a dope ass engineer. But we're in a meeting, 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:53.680 drumsticks come out. You know who was that ariston who 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:54.280 played drums? 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:57.520 Yeah, I'm figuring you had him in his desk. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:01.400 I'm like, who in y'all group brost with he's behind 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.800 the desk and start tapping along with the course of course, 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:06.200 you know what I'm saying. 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:09.680 So that was the closest to a bike. Yeah, you're like, okay, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:11.040 but he was the main one. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:14.879 That was like, Nigga, you got something with that lead singer. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.800 Ah, you got something okay. And that's when it hit 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.080 for me because that was one of our last meetings. 0:17:22.119 --> 0:17:23.720 We were supposed to do one more meeting with SoCal 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:31.320 Death that never happened, and we're like, so we've circulated 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:33.720 our entire demo, so now we got to go back in. 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.600 Yeah, I say, I'm singying everything. Mm hmmm yeah yeah. 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.680 If this, if this Social Death meeting don't happen, I'm 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:42.439 gonna have to call. 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.480 It got too. I respect that though, because. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.120 We sat in front of it. We sat in front 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:48.679 of it. It's not like we're not you approached it. 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.119 We didn't get no meetings. We got every meeting you 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:56.080 could think of for all the all the sayers. You know, 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.359 you get in front of Craig and you like, you 0:17:58.520 --> 0:17:59.320 just sat in front of some. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:00.880 Folks, and. 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:07.280 I was it hurt because I'm like, fuck, I don't 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:10.800 want to do this to them. But when we go 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:12.200 back in on this new demo, IM might have to 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:12.960 say everything. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.800 Anyway, right, tell me this because I like to go 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:16.480 I don't. 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.520 Say everything, but yeah, I like to give people real 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.240 insight about how this shit works. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:20.520 Right. 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.359 You know, we kind of we kind of graze over 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:30.360 the fact that you're taking multiple meetings that you're it's 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.840 multiple rejection. It's multiple I mean, like, tell me the 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:38.960 mindset though of you know, one didn't work and I 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:40.560 got to go into the next one and I got 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:44.240 to try to get my mind together in hopes that 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:48.520 this next label, this next guy, this next lady who's 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.440 the head of the company, I gotta go do it again. 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:52.440 Like what is that. 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:56.520 Mindset after you've been told no multiple times? 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:00.480 Man? And what drives that? For the dream? Bro? It 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:01.560 was a dream? Yeah? 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:02.280 You know. 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.679 When we back home, we're doing all the talent shows, 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.680 cabarets and stuff like that, killing. 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:09.440 Me, you know what I mean? 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:14.240 People love us so and then and in the meetings 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.879 were getting ain't no stiff faces, none of that. So 0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:23.520 it was more so like a not really understanding. 0:19:23.440 --> 0:19:24.760 Because it was never like y'all whack. 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.000 Yeah, it was never it was never was white harmony 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:31.119 is on point all. But I guess growing up with 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:36.119 my mom, it was always the thought process of was 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:36.399 for you? 0:19:36.520 --> 0:19:39.600 Is for you? Okay you know I mean I wasn't 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.679 thinking that, and yeah, yeah it was. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:44.880 I guess it was in the back of my mind 0:19:44.960 --> 0:19:47.200 or whatever. So it's just like, go back in this one, 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:51.000 this one gonna do it. But like I said, I'm 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.119 still getting praise at every meeting. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.879 Oh they're singling you out too, well not I'm not 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.640 the group. But our manager come back to a side, 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:01.920 said yeah, yeah, you know what I mean. 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:06.159 And so the question would be how they feel you 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:10.440 know what I mean, because I guess I didn't even 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.200 know what I had at the time, you know what 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:16.240 I mean, But I knew it was something. Yeah I know, 0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:18.800 I couldn't stop. I quit my jobs to come here. 0:20:19.320 --> 0:20:24.480 I'm not going back now, so fully locked I'm locked in. 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.840 Okay, So you have the conversation with the guys, now 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:31.240 do you go back in to do the demo completely 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.159 as a solo art. As a solo artist, you just 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.000 kind of take those songs that you're singing lead on them. 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:37.680 No, I took one. Okay that is on my first album. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:39.560 So my group is on my first album. Okay, ye, 0:20:39.880 --> 0:20:43.480 credits and everything that's dope that Yeah. 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:47.359 How long is the process once the group di spands? 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:49.800 So it took you eight months to get a deep sign? 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:53.320 So did you go back around to everybody again as 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.879 a solo artist or now was it just a conversation. 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.760 Oh shit, Donna's JQ. Everybody, Hey, guys, I'm back back. 0:21:00.000 --> 0:21:03.080 This is me. Oh that's wild. 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.280 I think the only person I didn't work with was JQ. 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.239 I worked with JQ in the group, but I went 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:12.359 to Kerry like she didn't in a place or anything. 0:21:12.359 --> 0:21:14.280 But what I'm talking about as far from the labels, 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.679 from the labels, we can go back on those, okay, 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:22.119 because they had seen first first meeting, first meeting time, Yeah, 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:24.120 crazy right? 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:25.360 Who signed over there? 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:26.000 Was it? 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:28.439 Wendy? Wendy was Yeah, she was at Capital. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:30.760 Then Wendy might have came in right after. Because I 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:34.920 and I went through five systems, five label heads. It's 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:36.920 in my story is crazy, bro, But. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:39.159 Com music business. 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.600 You know, you get you go sit down with one 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:44.840 person and then next thing you know, they even get fired. 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:47.119 They get a bigger job somewhere else. 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.280 They don't take the kids with them most of the time. 0:21:51.680 --> 0:21:52.920 No, I mean it was cool. 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.720 It was just every time somebody knew came in, they 0:21:55.720 --> 0:21:57.399 came in with their new ideas and this is but 0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:57.960 I've been here. 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:02.400 Just let me rock am rockets. So did new did 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:04.640 a new regime happen before you ever got a chance 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:05.800 to put your project out? No? 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:07.880 No, no, no, no, okay, So this is after Yeah, 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:11.000 this is going into the second album. Like I went 0:22:11.040 --> 0:22:15.439 through four systems between the first and second album. 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:17.080 I'm on my fourth system. 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:30.520 All right, let's let's let's talk about that first album. 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:33.359 What's the process you kind of gave You gave me 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:34.960 a little bit of the process of like all the 0:22:34.960 --> 0:22:37.119 people you went back and worked with once you get signed, 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:42.359 but actually when you get signed, because now, did you 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:43.280 get you a little bit of money? 0:22:43.560 --> 0:22:46.440 Well, I mean you know, blew that, but yeah I did, 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.800 what man, sir clubs? 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.240 Yeah, what is it? What you well? 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:56.840 Remember it had take That's the first thing I had jobs, 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.920 so I was flying, I had cars I had to give. 0:23:00.520 --> 0:23:05.280 But the first thing you said was strip club? Is 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.840 that like a thing in the d NV, like the city? 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:10.160 Was my first strip club? I really went. 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.919 I went to Penhouse back home. But oh Magic Phouse 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:15.640 still ain't got. 0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:19.879 Nothing more different Magic and b amth for magic. 0:23:20.920 --> 0:23:26.080 This was meet on stage yep, yeah yeah, magic. 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.639 The person next to you. Because it's like, it's just money, 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.000 so much money. It's crazy. So yeah, man, I was 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:33.480 so you got your little bit of that. You said, 0:23:33.480 --> 0:23:35.040 you know what, I'm gonna go hang out and throw 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:35.520 me a couple of. 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:38.880 Dollars a couple you threw your budget. 0:23:38.920 --> 0:23:45.040 Man through it was gone. 0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:44.879 My god. 0:23:45.520 --> 0:23:48.200 I mean, you know, not so much that fast, well 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:51.320 fast enough, fast enough for six months that ship was 0:23:51.320 --> 0:23:51.720 out of there. 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:55.440 How long did it take from getting signed to putting 0:23:55.480 --> 0:23:56.160 out your first single? 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:00.760 Process? Sorry, did it happen pretty quick? Okay? 0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:04.520 So when it solo got in the studio, I think 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.880 the first person I got into the studio was Donnie Skants. 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:09.240 Oh my god. 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:13.359 And we did Ghetto okay. And because I was on 0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:17.800 my Marmin thing, so I was. I just fell in 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:18.679 love with Marmon. 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.160 So I mean, you're from Washington, d C. I didn't 0:24:21.160 --> 0:24:22.719 even know it's from DC at the point, what are 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:24.320 you serious? Because I was in. 0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:29.439 The studyer of music. I started more studying once I 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.640 got here, you know what I mean. I knew music, 0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.280 I knew people that I wasn't reading credits, I wasn't 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:35.160 looking at the producers. 0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:37.800 Yeah, you didn't know and all that you loved. You 0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.880 loved Marvin gabb but you had no idea, y'all from 0:24:39.880 --> 0:24:40.399 the same place. 0:24:40.800 --> 0:24:47.000 Yeah, it started with the California Raisins. It's like, you 0:24:47.080 --> 0:24:49.920 know what I mean? And then I heard what song? 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:54.000 Did I hear the next because you got to think, 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:56.760 I'm not listening to no old music. So I think 0:24:56.760 --> 0:25:00.440 I heard maybe maybe it was sexual healing. And then 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.119 I found out it was the same person because I 0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:08.800 didn't realize had the Raisins they had. They hired somebody 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:14.360 to sing for the Raisins and m nigga, it's cold. 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:18.600 So then I was on my Marvel stuff and then 0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:21.600 so I went there. Then I went to Donnas and 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:25.080 we did a song called Without You that was a 0:25:25.160 --> 0:25:29.960 dark Child track. It ended up being a label label. 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:34.480 It ended up being an album cut, but you know 0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:36.720 what I mean, you gotta send it to the producer. 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:42.280 So Ronnie heard it and immediately was like, yeah, I 0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:44.280 want to get him in New Jersey. I want to get 0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:46.439 him in the studio so I can work, so I 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:48.600 can work with him recently and then that's when we 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.160 didn't be with me and then. 0:25:51.560 --> 0:25:53.440 To the racist Yeah, off to the races. 0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:56.240 So that was about six months okay, okay, six months 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.000 and when it went it won in super long ago. 0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:01.159 When you get the first record out? Mhm, what's the 0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.800 process for you as far as are you did you 0:26:04.840 --> 0:26:07.920 immediately hit the road? Are you kind of like waiting 0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:09.119 to see how the record's gonna do? 0:26:10.760 --> 0:26:12.359 So? How was that for you at that at that 0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:14.160 at that point we did be. 0:26:14.240 --> 0:26:16.760 With me and I do like a couple of little 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.040 like it was more so based around like my hometown, 0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.720 like ninety two Q stuff like that. So they send 0:26:23.760 --> 0:26:25.960 you back to DC pretty much. Oh and they're not 0:26:26.119 --> 0:26:29.080 home like I was still living in Atlanta. But the 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:33.200 first like I guess it's the promotional run, you know. 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.040 So where they trying to break you on the East 0:26:35.040 --> 0:26:38.320 coast first for sure? Okay, for sure, okay, And. 0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.080 Because you know, I asked these questions because the business 0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.359 has to a certain degree changed so much, but there's 0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:50.600 there's still certain things that I always believe you should 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:51.440 be big where you're from. 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:53.760 Sure, yes, I believe. 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.160 That, you know what I mean, And some people don't 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:58.440 think that way anymore because it's like, oh, well, the Internet, 0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:01.000 can you know just immediately put you in front of 0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.480 the world. I'm like, it's so much shit that people 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.280 in the world have a chance to see you. 0:27:06.400 --> 0:27:09.480 Literally, maybe you you're lucky never be world famous, and 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:11.320 you're good in your hometown. 0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:15.680 You're good, right, right, you're good. So you know, I 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.000 would see the business that we both come from. 0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.680 It starts regional for sure, even as an R and 0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:24.879 B artist, absolutely, So that's why I asked, Okay, so 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:26.520 you so now you're doing a promo run. 0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:29.119 They're doing promo shows and stuff like that. And then 0:27:29.119 --> 0:27:31.720 they're like, so the single didn't pick up like we 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:35.399 thought it would, Okay, and not even that like we 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:36.119 thought it would. 0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:38.920 But I mean, you put out a record you're thinking 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:39.600 I'm about to crack. 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.400 Yeah, it didn't crack, right, And it's like, you need 0:27:44.680 --> 0:27:47.879 you need, you need a song, bro, you need you 0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:52.040 need a second single, official first single, kind of Ship. Yeah, 0:27:52.080 --> 0:27:56.680 I hate that, the test single, and then the music 0:27:56.720 --> 0:28:00.520 industry was crazy, bro. Yes, but yes we did that. 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:04.520 And then that's when I got bid. Rest is history. Well, 0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:05.720 you can't just go. You can't just go. 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:07.560 That's when I got big, bro, Like, we got to 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.719 get into it. We got to get into the the record. 0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:11.960 Were you already working with Red Zone? 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:13.359 No? Okay? 0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.000 So all right, So I did my demo I had 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:17.439 actually I got a backtrack, so. 0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:20.040 And I'll make it fast. 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:26.760 So I did Ghetto with Donny and then it was 0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.159 just it was still kind of slow, like because for me, 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:31.399 I had already been for a year. So I'm like, 0:28:32.119 --> 0:28:34.000 it's a year plus now at this point for me, 0:28:34.200 --> 0:28:36.200 it's not starting a new clock. 0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:43.240 For me. It's it's bread and not about that. Before 0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.400 we went to the Magic City, I gosh, what I 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.360 should have That shit was out of there. 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:52.080 So I was like, you know what, one thing that 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:53.920 I haven't done is I have not taken a break. 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:56.800 I haven't taken one break. So I went home. 0:28:57.720 --> 0:28:59.600 I went home, see my people, see my friends and 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:01.640 all that stuff, like I just need like a couple 0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:04.680 of seconds, and I got in with my managers, my 0:29:04.760 --> 0:29:08.400 manager's cousin, and just like yeah, he's like, you're gonna 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.880 record while you're home, right, like, don't stop working, Like now, 0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:12.360 I'm gonna work. But I just I got to get 0:29:12.400 --> 0:29:14.440 out of Atlanta. So I went home and I did 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:15.320 Back my Lot. 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:19.480 Oh shit, okay, I did back my Lot and which 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:20.760 obviously is the title. 0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:23.600 Right, And I made it the title because Nigga, that 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:24.360 was my quit song. 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.480 I was about to not come back to Atlanta with 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.920 the record deal with the record. I'm out, I'm cool. 0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:33.120 I want to get the job, going back to work, bro, 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:38.120 Because did you get home with your friends? And yeah, yeah, 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:39.760 you get my mom still here? 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.520 I mean my mom is still in Atlanta. I mean 0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:43.920 my mom is still in DC. So I'm like, I 0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.040 see my mom. You know, I had a baby on 0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.400 the way at the time, so got a chance to 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:51.600 you know, be a. 0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:52.520 Part of that or whatever. 0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:55.760 But yeah, man, I did that and I sent it 0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.880 to him and I was like that, don't like this ship. 0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.640 I don't know what I'm going, you know what I'm saying. 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:03.920 Yeah, I sent the ship to my manager and hein't said, Nigga, 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:05.560 get back to Atlanta. 0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:09.680 Yeah, that was my quitting song. That's my quit song. 0:30:09.760 --> 0:30:11.800 If you listen to the lyrics, Man, I gotta now 0:30:12.000 --> 0:30:14.360 you said I gotta go back because I'm like I 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:15.480 was quitting on that song. 0:30:16.640 --> 0:30:19.480 Yeah, I was done. How back on the plane in 0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:22.320 Atlanta though, now I drove Actually they had no money 0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:27.320 from the planes. I drove up and drove back. Executives 0:30:27.320 --> 0:30:27.800 a capital. 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:31.120 I set my brother, you know what, because it wasn't 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.800 the schedule, like nigga, he gotta go do what right, 0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:35.120 I ain't asked for permission. 0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:37.160 I'm going home right right. It wasn't part of it. 0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.920 I don't go home, y'all not gonna like who I am. Right, 0:30:40.000 --> 0:30:42.080 it wasn't part of I got I got you, I 0:30:42.120 --> 0:30:44.000 got you, I got it. I got going home. Bro. 0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:47.280 When you get back here, yeah you go. Do you 0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.320 now is that already being set up for you? Had 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:54.360 or had someone heard been or was there anything that 0:30:54.480 --> 0:30:57.120 was already in place? Or were you just like, ohay, 0:30:57.120 --> 0:30:59.640 they gonna put you in with with with tricky dream. 0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:00.440 Nah. 0:31:00.480 --> 0:31:04.000 Actually I had already recorded suff Kate Carlos McKinnie. Yeah, 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:05.320 you did some k first. 0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:09.120 I did Suffcate to get it some bread, some money 0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:09.880 that I was a. 0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:13.400 I was a studio. He's a demo singer. 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:15.200 I was a demo singer. Oh ship, Yeah, that was 0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:18.120 a demo that. The actual song is the someone Else 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.640 though slice for Maya. 0:31:21.080 --> 0:31:25.920 Yeah. Wait so you never heard this story? No, bro, no, 0:31:26.360 --> 0:31:29.719 this is fucking great though I love it. No, they 0:31:29.760 --> 0:31:31.040 told me it was for it, right, you know what 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:32.960 I mean? Right? So you actually got paid for the 0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:34.560 song as a demo singer. 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:40.520 And fifty dollars to fifty a good two fifty. Yeah, 0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:42.920 that was the going rate. That was the going rate, 0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:45.960 two fifty. So now when you get your deal, though, 0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:50.080 I want the song. No, So we did be with Me. 0:31:50.320 --> 0:31:54.800 Be with Me came out, didn't really clutch, and then 0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.680 was nig you need you need the first single. So 0:31:58.120 --> 0:32:05.280 Ronnie Johnson and Peace came over to Capitol and he's 0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:06.840 the one that pushed the pedal. 0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:09.000 He was like, what are y'all doing? 0:32:10.480 --> 0:32:13.280 Because I guess I don't I guess maybe nobody was 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:18.480 really on it because at this point, remember Ronnie came 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:22.480 in to be the third system. This is this is 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:27.080 now the third System. So he like, bro, y'all got 0:32:27.080 --> 0:32:28.240 a star right here. 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:30.680 Put the money, take money from there, Take money from there, 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:31.640 take money from there and. 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:34.880 Put it on him. Put the money on him. I'm 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.680 telling you, y'all, y'all, y'all in a buying right now. 0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.160 Put the money on him. What are y'all doing? Because 0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:41.360 I mean, that's what happens too. 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:46.120 When when people come to labels, they don't see that 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:48.480 someone else is that that that an artist has been sitting. 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:50.080 They're just like, oh, this is what I'm assessing. 0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.400 They come, Yeah, they're coming in assess oh or her? 0:32:52.520 --> 0:32:54.320 Oh so what y'all got? 0:32:54.520 --> 0:32:56.680 Yeah? Yeah, so he put the light on you, He 0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:57.640 put the light on me. 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.560 The rest in peace and then and guess what died 0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:04.360 not too long after that. So in my mind, he 0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:08.520 was literally placed at capital for me. Yeah, that's the 0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.840 only thing I can come over with. Yeah, I mean, 0:33:11.160 --> 0:33:13.160 he didn't do nothing. I mean as far as other 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:16.720 artists I own, I well, I wasn't paying attention to 0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:18.400 it because it wasn't my business. 0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:21.280 But I don't think he really know we're put in 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:24.760 place for anybody else. Yeah, other you know, I mean wow. 0:33:25.360 --> 0:33:28.320 Yeah, So shouts out to Ronnie Johnson man recipes bro, 0:33:29.040 --> 0:33:31.000 and my my system would have never changed if he 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:31.480 didn't die. 0:33:33.200 --> 0:33:38.080 That's when my system changed. You got Suffocate believed in me. Bro. 0:33:38.440 --> 0:33:42.400 Yeah, we have to have Well he not the only one, 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.320 but he yeah on the label. 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.520 And had enough of and had enough of a voice 0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:52.920 to make others believe. Absolutely reignite the belief. Now you're 0:33:52.960 --> 0:33:56.960 back in Atlanta, come back back. My leg brought you back. 0:33:57.320 --> 0:34:01.480 You already got to suffocate there. How does bed happen? 0:34:01.720 --> 0:34:05.920 So Ronnie's like, he needs his first single, Like we 0:34:06.000 --> 0:34:07.080 put a single already out. 0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:10.759 I ain't eat. 0:34:11.320 --> 0:34:14.759 He needs a single, He need a single. Just call 0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:18.000 call around, call around. But uh so, I guess they 0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.440 got dream on the phone or I don't know if 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:25.160 it was dreaming Tricky, but he was like, I'm flying 0:34:25.160 --> 0:34:28.040 to Atlanta to give with my other guy and my 0:34:28.080 --> 0:34:31.200 manager and we're gonna I'm gonna find a single fan 0:34:31.280 --> 0:34:32.919 before I leave, before I go back to New York. 0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:37.200 So dream can I guess Tricky called dreamed. He's like, 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.839 y'all come play some ship for Jay so you can record. 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.160 I guess he had just finished Bed the day before 0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:45.640 or a couple of days before this, so he was like, 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:47.080 with suit, I just did a new record. I sent 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:48.640 it to Chris, but y'all can hear it? 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:49.879 You know what I mean? 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:53.120 Like, I ain't heart back from Chris yet, So y'all 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:57.560 can listen to it. Ronnie heard the song bust the 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.760 check book out, stroke the check on the spot. 0:35:00.640 --> 0:35:02.320 On the spot. 0:35:02.760 --> 0:35:05.399 I want the record, Yeah, I recorded it that night. 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.319 That's how man, you can't let the records well. 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:09.799 To call me down and called me and was like, 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.640 get to the studio nowt I already knew they was 0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:14.640 in a meeting and ship get to see you. 0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.759 No, now you gotta record. What were your thoughts when 0:35:16.800 --> 0:35:19.120 you first heard heard it? Hated it? I heard it, 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:22.319 hated it. Sorry, I was trying to say no, no, no, 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:23.040 it's even better. 0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:27.120 I said it like that though, because it's bro and 0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:30.760 it's the thing. I've one of the most dopest writers 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.160 I've ever dealt with, because I never understood how his 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:36.920 mind work was dreaming. His mind is different, amazing. Everybody 0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:41.239 else like Tank writes a certain way. Tank rights melodies, 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:47.080 Dream rights experiences. Hmm, if I can, I guess that's 0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:51.640 the best way for me to put it. But so 0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:55.399 I came in, I heard it. Dream wasn't everybody the way? 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.839 I mean, he didn't need to be. But I heard it, 0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.480 and so he sung the He sent it the demo 0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:04.680 and in falsetto, Like the entire song from front of 0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:08.239 the back was in falsetto. So that's how I attempted 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:08.920 to record it. 0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:11.080 Was the first time you singing, you singing in false 0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:11.720 the whole time. 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:13.160 Because I'm thinking that's how the song needs to be, 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.120 like this dream dream just been umbrella. I have to 0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:21.160 follow what he put down because that's what I was taking. 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:23.640 That's what I was taking. You don't go in changing 0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:24.279 the writing ship. 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.680 And so Scott the engineer, I was just like, Bro, 0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:30.680 I was getting frustrated. 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:32.080 I was getting frustrated. 0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:34.480 I was like, bro, I don't know, I ain't catching it. 0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:38.120 They over there like I felt like they was over 0:36:38.160 --> 0:36:40.279 their cheers. And then he said like we got one. Yeah, 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.440 I'm in the in the room like nigger, this is 0:36:42.520 --> 0:36:48.120 not working out. This is not working And so he said, 0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:50.600 what's the problem. I was like, I don't know. I 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.399 just I don't I don't want to the falsetto things 0:36:53.440 --> 0:36:57.239 kind of throwing me off and whatever whatever. So how 0:36:57.239 --> 0:37:01.279 would you sing it? Let start the song, because by 0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:04.919 this time, I not this song now start the song 0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:11.560 finished it in like maybe two and a half three hours. 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.520 Because this before you got there, like you said, you 0:37:13.520 --> 0:37:15.239 had never heard the song, and you sing it the 0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:16.200 first night you hear it. 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.439 Yeah, yeah, I mean that, and that in itself is tough. Yeah. 0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:21.400 It was so frustrating because I'm just like, I don't 0:37:21.400 --> 0:37:23.600 hear what they hear, but I can't disappoint them. Yeah, 0:37:23.640 --> 0:37:26.960 this is this he flew here right Newton got the 0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:31.640 label right right, I gotta I gotta complete this record, 0:37:32.000 --> 0:37:37.080 and so I started doing it in full and the 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:40.480 automatically just felt right mm hmm. So the rest is 0:37:40.520 --> 0:37:41.319 history just kept going. 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:41.880 Yeah. 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:43.799 How long did it take before they put that record 0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.839 out after you? After you cut it? Was it pretty quick? 0:37:47.120 --> 0:37:49.560 Maybe a month after most oh ship? Oh yeah, they 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.239 was ready to be with me is out right. 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:56.279 So this is fizzling. You can't just fizzle out. Now 0:37:56.280 --> 0:37:57.160 you gotta restart again. 0:37:57.239 --> 0:37:58.680 Wow you can. So you came on and tell ends 0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.240 of that right right, right, right right, and now you're cracking. 0:38:02.680 --> 0:38:05.640 Then I cracked. I cracked. 0:38:05.640 --> 0:38:09.319 I know you didn't like the first time Nigga I 0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.600 heard I said that Nigga got one whoever that is. 0:38:14.080 --> 0:38:17.920 He got one. Yeah, because I ain't gonna hold you. 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:20.360 I never heard people disguise and that's crazy. 0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.120 But later I think that I'm saying as a single, 0:38:24.160 --> 0:38:26.000 I never heard them went straight to urban a see. 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:27.960 I never heard it as as a like a as 0:38:27.960 --> 0:38:28.440 a single. 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:30.359 It wasn't the top forty record though. 0:38:30.480 --> 0:38:35.880 But when beddrop, I was like, Oh, that nigga's cooking 0:38:36.320 --> 0:38:37.440 and this record's crazy. 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:39.960 Say it was done, I said, I get it now 0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.280 now mind you, And this is the genius for dream 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:47.680 mind you. The the lyrics are so simple that they 0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.680 almost are frustrating, you know what I'm saying, because you 0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:51.120 got to think on. 0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.759 The sung the song over a thousand times. Yes, so 0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.040 it's like it's slightly frustrating. 0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:00.000 But it makes so much sense, bro, And it's a 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.040 it's a it's a full conversation. It's a full conversation. 0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:07.360 Now the industry is changing for you. Then, I'm sure 0:39:07.680 --> 0:39:10.920 from from you going on your promo run. Now, I'm 0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:16.239 sure you got paid shows. No, no, nigga, no for 0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:19.000 real for real promo tour, a real promo tour. 0:39:21.080 --> 0:39:23.520 My band was getting paid yeah, but I wasn't. 0:39:23.880 --> 0:39:26.239 No, no, no, So I was on my first tour 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.200 was as I think that's when we met. 0:39:29.080 --> 0:39:29.879 So that's when we met. 0:39:29.920 --> 0:39:33.359 I was about to say that, because if it was, 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.720 that's when we met. Funny enough, you got Jay Howidy 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:39.759 and Jay Valentide on the road with Keisha because I did. 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:42.600 I did. When I was mad. I was like, who 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:48.279 the fuck is this nigga? Because I wasn't mad. I 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.880 was mad. That's hilarious because. 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:53.920 I wouldn't have known because you were still like me, 0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:57.200 you never had any kind of absolutely issue or anything. 0:39:57.320 --> 0:39:59.279 I would have known, you know what I mean, and 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.040 you know my person Andalely, I'm like, ohh. 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:02.480 But then once I heard the music, I was like, oh, 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.400 we're on different were on different different waves? 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.520 Yeah, no, bro, it was. It was funny though, because 0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.279 I remember Manny called me. Manny Haley called me. 0:40:11.320 --> 0:40:13.879 He was like, she going out, She's going out. Want 0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:14.680 you want to go out with it? 0:40:15.440 --> 0:40:18.839 I was like, I'm like, uh, I'm like when because 0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.600 at the time, so my my situation was very different too, 0:40:22.080 --> 0:40:25.720 because I had already had I had an indie label 0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:28.440 in the Bay gotcha that we were we were selling 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:32.040 off the trunk and I ended up getting a deal. 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:34.800 Different on the West Coast. Yeah, I ended up getting 0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:40.480 a deal really on accident m where. I don't know 0:40:40.520 --> 0:40:42.560 if you know the story, but long story short, I 0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.919 had taken I had taken a T Paint show. 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:47.000 I taken the TA Paint song I took I'm Sprung, 0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.600 and I flipped it to a song called Go Down, 0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:54.719 and it became huge on the West Coast, huge, huge, 0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:56.359 and everybody offered me a record deal. 0:40:57.080 --> 0:40:59.440 But I had no songs. 0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:01.880 Oh that the only one that had Well, I had songs, 0:41:02.000 --> 0:41:04.719 but I had them as a writer. Was because I 0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:08.120 was coming from I was coming from my underdog days. 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:10.680 Because obviously my under dog days, we've written for everybody 0:41:10.800 --> 0:41:16.799 you know, and I still had Underdog that's what, Yeah, 0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:21.160 that's my start, me Damian Harvey. So I had these 0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.880 records that I had written for, just written and wrote 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:24.560 for other people. 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.560 Maybe records didn't place or whatever. So when I go 0:41:27.600 --> 0:41:29.200 into meetings, let's play those. 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.520 And every label already known me because I was a 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:38.840 writer and a producer, which was even wilder because I 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.320 didn't want a deal, and I told people, no, you 0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.920 never wanted to deal, bro famous, No, I just wasn't. 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.600 It wasn't my It wasn't my It wasn't my thing. 0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:51.960 I don't even think it was about hating fame more 0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.560 than more than hating it, because I don't hate faans 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.520 and I don't feel like I'm famous now, but I 0:41:57.560 --> 0:42:04.200 feel like for me, no, seriously, it's okay, live in 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:10.040 an interesting space, right because I'm not famous for singing 0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:13.239 to me, that's a different type of thing. I got you, right, Like, 0:42:13.719 --> 0:42:16.440 I'm becouse you are, but I know what you're saying, yeah, right, 0:42:16.520 --> 0:42:19.160 Like I guess I'm becoming famous in a sense of 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:23.279 as a personality or our show now, right. So my 0:42:23.440 --> 0:42:25.080 thing is I always wanted to just be able to 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:30.799 move around without anybody bothering me. Right, That that, to 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.319 me is is something that's our whole sacred. Yeah, it's 0:42:33.320 --> 0:42:36.040 my piece, and I've learned how to deal with you know, 0:42:36.160 --> 0:42:38.839 I'm super cool with anybody, say hello, how you feel? 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.799 Now? You want to take a picture. I'm cool. 0:42:41.840 --> 0:42:43.920 I'm not stripping off none, none of that shit bothers me. 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.319 But I'm also older, right, I'm also older, and I 0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:59.160 can handle it differently. So now all the same labels 0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:03.120 that I've been pitching songs to playing records with are 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:09.400 like wait, ja did somebody take your name right, and 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:15.839 I'm like, did Jay Holliday nigga took my name? There's 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:19.200 this record that's crazy. There's this record that people don't 0:43:19.239 --> 0:43:21.399 know we was. We was out at the same time time, 0:43:22.040 --> 0:43:24.840 They're like, there's this record that's spinning called Go Dumb, 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.080 but they say it's Jay Valentine. 0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:33.080 I'm like, ah, yeah, that's me. What the fuck do 0:43:33.120 --> 0:43:33.759 you mean that's you? 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:35.759 They didn't know that was you. 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:40.000 No, Bro, I had literally told every single label that 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:40.960 it tried to sign me. 0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:43.560 You know what's crazy. No, do you understand what I'm 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:44.000 about to say. 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.000 You've been in Silent Assassin for a minute, because when 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:53.280 you popped up with Tank, I'm like, yeah, always always gonna. 0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:59.840 Figure my like he managed, Yeah, yeah signed Assassin. 0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:04.040 Ship threw people off we first first when we first 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.120 did that part of our business where I can that's dope. 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:13.239 Congratulations, thank you, bro. I remember promoters being like that 0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:21.919 fun you like you? Yeah, that's great, bro, that's dope. 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:22.879 We got everybody now. 0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:26.239 But that's how I ended up on that on that 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:30.239 run with you and Keisha, which obviously ship. It goes 0:44:30.239 --> 0:44:32.759 back to people know on our show I was in 0:44:32.800 --> 0:44:36.239 her first video, and it was a whole process with 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:37.920 her and I. So when she went on the road, 0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:41.120 I'm like, all right, I'll do six shows, gotcha. Because 0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:43.640 even in that Bro, I was already still my mind 0:44:43.800 --> 0:44:45.480 was in another space. 0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.040 You really trying to do that? No? 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.760 No, And I remember I remember, like it was yesterday, 0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:53.960 you and I taking a taking a flight. We end 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.160 up on the same flight together going from San Francisco 0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.320 to Seattle. Okay, we didn't show together and Seatt, I 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:01.239 mean we did six shows. 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:04.480 We did that. I did the West Coast run the Beauty. 0:45:04.560 --> 0:45:08.040 I did the West Coast, and I remember us being 0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.640 on a plane. I think at like six a m yeh, 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:14.359 that's still for me. And I'm like, nope, oh yeah, 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:15.000 I don't know. 0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:16.600 I'm not there for thy thirty. I don't want to 0:45:16.600 --> 0:45:19.480 do this. I remember that. People be like bro and 0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:21.640 I were on that plane together. Why y'all leave so early? 0:45:21.800 --> 0:45:24.880 Like I'm missing my whole day. Once I got stuff 0:45:24.880 --> 0:45:25.040 to do. 0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:29.440 I'm cool, And I think Seeattle might have been my 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:29.959 last show. 0:45:30.239 --> 0:45:34.000 That might have been my last dope as show too. 0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:35.600 It was a dope pass. I think I got that 0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:36.000 on cameras. 0:45:36.480 --> 0:45:39.560 I'm good yeah, I'm like, I'm cool. That's crazy from 0:45:39.600 --> 0:45:41.880 as far as like if I'm a performance point, where's. 0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:42.919 The nigga decisions right there? 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:46.719 This crazy part that's rich people ship. 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.319 Giving me a lot of money. I ain't gonna listen, 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:53.000 I ain't gonna hold you. But I had already had 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:54.400 the records with you know. 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:57.120 Mario's right, I wasn't getting paid ship. 0:45:57.680 --> 0:45:59.920 Yeah yeah, but I'm talking about from my label. I 0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:00.480 got you. 0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:02.440 So they gave me a They gave me a bowload 0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.400 of money. Bro, they gave me a bowload of money. 0:46:04.560 --> 0:46:09.239 So I was like, I'm cool. I don't this ain't 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.360 it's not about to be my life. And then I 0:46:11.400 --> 0:46:14.839 was dealing with the label ship because they're always like shit, 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.200 you know that better than anyone, right, And I just 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:21.319 wasn't is the worst. I wasn't gonna fight for that. 0:46:21.520 --> 0:46:24.160 I'm like, I'm cool because this is not This is 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:26.319 not how I envisioned my career going. 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:29.080 You know what, I'm I'm kind of upset now at 0:46:29.120 --> 0:46:33.560 this point. Not I ain't gonna say I'm upset, but 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:37.960 disappointed in how I handled things. Was because I was 0:46:38.040 --> 0:46:40.359 raised to always speak up. You know what, I'm saying. 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.000 But when you get an as system that you're not 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:47.320 wanting to say and then actually being in the system, 0:46:47.360 --> 0:46:51.400 it's two different things, you know what, I'm different things, laws, rules, 0:46:51.600 --> 0:46:54.520 right and all kinds of stuff. And it was just 0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:57.400 a I know, your manager is always supposed to be 0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:00.759 your best interests at heart, and it would be times 0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:02.719 like but I don't feel like that. Why would you 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:03.880 tell them that? 0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.120 So I gotta work the system. I get it, you gotta. 0:47:07.280 --> 0:47:08.840 It's a give and take, given take, there is a 0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.799 game to be played. I get it. But it's like. 0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.000 I think, for a long time, people didn't really know 0:47:16.040 --> 0:47:18.920 who I was. Like not the fans, I mean obviously 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.160 the fans don't, but like even if people dealing with 0:47:21.160 --> 0:47:24.840 me within the business, like you, you know who I am. 0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:30.720 Like bro my mind, I think for myself. My manager 0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:34.520 don't tell me much. He can he can advise me, 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:37.840 you know what I mean, And I'm good. 0:47:37.640 --> 0:47:38.920 At taking advice. You know. 0:47:39.600 --> 0:47:41.440 You gotta make it make sense to me though, if 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.680 especially if it's something I don't want to do, like 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:44.960 I just absolutely don't want to do. 0:47:45.120 --> 0:47:47.759 Just please just make it make sense. And I'm with you. 0:47:47.800 --> 0:47:48.200 I got you. 0:47:48.600 --> 0:47:50.440 But that's a tough part of it's a tough part 0:47:50.440 --> 0:47:52.440 of management, right, So because I can speak from the 0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:57.040 other side of it, right because so for me, you know, 0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:59.640 I always joke, I'm like, man, that that that is 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:00.839 my get the pivot. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:03.719 Is my Yeah, that's crazy. You know you did it that. 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.279 Thank you, Bro, you did that, you know, And a 0:48:06.280 --> 0:48:09.400 lot of people doubted me from that standpoint. From a 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:11.960 management side, it's just like, how how you can't manage? 0:48:11.960 --> 0:48:13.600 You can't be an artist. I'm like, well, I'm not 0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.040 an artist. They're like, oh. I was like, yeah, every 0:48:16.080 --> 0:48:17.480 now and then I put out a song because I 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.600 just want to do music and I love music. But 0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.400 as far as you came yes being a professional artist 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:26.560 chasing something, I was like, that's not what I'm on. 0:48:27.160 --> 0:48:27.359 Sure. 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:30.960 And when I started to manage Tank Bro, I started 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:34.640 the one reason obviously, me and Tank are always close 0:48:34.800 --> 0:48:39.600 from the underdog days. So that's what we start together. Yeah, 0:48:40.640 --> 0:48:46.120 that's just get We get close during the underdog days 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:48.960 and end up, you know, starting to build our company together. 0:48:50.320 --> 0:48:54.600 And I'm watching how it's going from a management standpoint 0:48:54.640 --> 0:48:57.080 for him, and I'm like, okay, you got good managers. 0:48:57.560 --> 0:48:59.680 But I was like to me, you need a different 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:01.160 type a manager. And this is just me and him 0:49:01.160 --> 0:49:04.320 having conversations as a friend and I'm watching the business 0:49:04.400 --> 0:49:06.759 and I'm like, I think you need more of a 0:49:06.800 --> 0:49:12.760 creative manager, gotcha, other than a political political or even 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:17.560 just a administrative you know, someone who just gets the 0:49:17.560 --> 0:49:21.399 deals done, like you need like what we have from 0:49:21.480 --> 0:49:26.000 us already writing songs together. I think that my creativeness 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:29.640 can help even in how you go after. 0:49:29.440 --> 0:49:32.120 Your career, for sure. And he'd be like, Nigga, you can, 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:35.720 and he was like, you can't manage me. It's proof, 0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:37.359 the proof is right. 0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:39.839 But even he was saying it though, he was like, 0:49:40.200 --> 0:49:42.359 come on, come on, I'm like, Nigga, I'm a manager. 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:43.200 Let you as a joke. 0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:47.040 Yeah, and that's something to take would due to a 0:49:47.120 --> 0:49:50.000 certain degree, to a certain degree really really, how I 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:53.600 like got in was he was like, come on the 0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:54.080 road with me. 0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.160 And this was during TGT Nigga. 0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:02.520 That was my training ground, G G T three three personalities, 0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:06.440 the three maniacs, right, and I used to work for 0:50:06.560 --> 0:50:08.960 one yeah, and. 0:50:09.800 --> 0:50:11.600 G is probably the less the less. 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:15.560 Of the other two away crazy right, So but he 0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:17.400 was like, come out on the road with us, because 0:50:17.400 --> 0:50:20.560 I had already written like multiple songs on the TGG 0:50:20.680 --> 0:50:23.200 album with them, and he like, come on the road 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:23.520 with us, and it. 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:24.640 Was all all my homies. 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:26.799 I'm known Tyree's first because I did I like them 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:28.959 girls for him when we were eighteen in West Coast, 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:30.960 you know what I'm saying. Like I had known G 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:33.319 because I wrote I wrote something from G. I forgot 0:50:33.360 --> 0:50:36.120 the name of it, so I knew him. So I'm like, 0:50:36.120 --> 0:50:40.480 all right, bought my own ticket here, like we got 0:50:40.520 --> 0:50:42.160 a spot for you though if you get out here. 0:50:43.320 --> 0:50:45.120 I'm literally an intern. 0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:46.040 In a sense. Gotcha. 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:50.799 I'm not being paid by anybody. None of those three 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:53.440 guys are paying me to be there. But somehow, because 0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.839 of my relationship with all three, I ended up being 0:50:56.920 --> 0:50:59.799 the person that all their managers would be like, well yeah, 0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:02.640 G said, Tak said, Re said. 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.200 I'm like, well I don't, but these. 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.960 Are my three homies, right, these are my great homies 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:11.320 and I just want to help. So now somehow in 0:51:11.440 --> 0:51:14.000 the room and it's just us four, I'm like, what 0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:17.240 the fuck? Im I ain't being paid, but I'm learning, 0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.960 and this is part of my maturation and really my 0:51:21.239 --> 0:51:22.320 education into. 0:51:22.680 --> 0:51:24.800 Being a manager. That's Curzy I can never be a manager. 0:51:25.000 --> 0:51:27.239 It ain't it ain't easy. Ever, it ain't easy, and. 0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:29.839 I'm no longer I'm like talking to people. Yeah, I'm 0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:31.440 no longer if I gotta get on the phone and 0:51:31.560 --> 0:51:33.200 makes you Yeah, but. 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.960 I saw something different. I saw something different and what 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:40.000 you're saying like I had. I think what helped me 0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.239 was having artist sensibilities, gotcha. I know how that six 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:46.000 am flight is that you got to get up at 0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:48.120 three thirty or four o'clock in the morning. I know 0:51:48.320 --> 0:51:51.040 that you don't want to hear about certain shit at 0:51:51.080 --> 0:51:55.280 that time. I know that I just got off stage. 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:57.480 I need to you know what I'm saying, And it's 0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:00.279 certain things that just as a business person, when I 0:52:00.320 --> 0:52:02.239 put myself on the business side of it, I get 0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:04.480 why they don't understand that people who just do business 0:52:05.160 --> 0:52:06.200 because they've never been in that. 0:52:06.880 --> 0:52:09.480 My manager was my NR Capital, good friend of mine, 0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:14.240 so that's all like, and he understands. Yes, it's crazy. 0:52:14.280 --> 0:52:17.000 I shout out the right, Yeah, shout out to the 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:21.719 rights man. But I didn't even know because he was 0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:23.719 He's the building nigga. 0:52:23.719 --> 0:52:26.200 That we talked like. You look at it, that's why 0:52:26.239 --> 0:52:27.640 you look at it and You're like, that's the nigga 0:52:27.640 --> 0:52:29.120 I gotta go talk to when I go to the building. 0:52:30.200 --> 0:52:31.640 And but he always cheated as. 0:52:31.560 --> 0:52:32.800 Good when he was in LA and all that, and 0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:35.640 always made sure he was straight. But man, when when 0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:37.920 she hit the fan, bro, it was him and two 0:52:37.960 --> 0:52:41.040 Kid Crawford bro T Kid Car was actually mym my 0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:44.319 radio rep, my national radio rep. So I asked him 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.880 to jointly management. And you know, as time passed and 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:51.600 Kid wasn't there no more. But yeah, man, he I 0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:56.719 think he under was He understood me as a person, right, 0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.800 because he never he never got to even when you 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:03.319 with somebody and you you running them around the city 0:53:03.400 --> 0:53:04.440 and feeding them and all that. 0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:07.200 You know, really no, no, it's moments in time. Yeah yeah, 0:53:07.360 --> 0:53:08.880 it's literally it's literally just. 0:53:08.960 --> 0:53:09.920 Moments in time, man. 0:53:10.160 --> 0:53:13.799 And it's just it's interesting how things sometimes just come 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:16.239 full circle in a whole different way. 0:53:16.719 --> 0:53:16.839 Right. 0:53:16.920 --> 0:53:18.480 And I remember when he told me he was managing, 0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:21.640 and I was like, that's actually dope, Like that's actually. 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:23.239 Think he was going to do it, because when he 0:53:23.320 --> 0:53:25.440 left Capital, I thought he was done. Yes, he was 0:53:25.480 --> 0:53:28.920 doing a basketball thing. I was like, bro, yeah, yeah 0:53:29.200 --> 0:53:29.600 yeah he was. 0:53:30.920 --> 0:53:33.279 I need yeah, I need somebody to really know. Man, 0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:35.960 I need somebody because I had an artist manager. Are 0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:38.399 you oh you had an artist manager? Yeah, okay, Corey 0:53:38.480 --> 0:53:40.279 Green that was that was my manager. He was an 0:53:40.280 --> 0:53:41.960 absolute Yeah. 0:53:43.520 --> 0:53:45.960 I never knew that. Yeah, Coreky Green was my manager. Man. 0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:48.200 And so not saying now he I mean ship he 0:53:48.239 --> 0:53:48.480 got me. 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:50.200 To And I was about to say, it's funny because 0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:52.200 I used always like, well, I'm the only artist manager. 0:53:52.520 --> 0:53:53.560 You know what my back court. 0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:57.920 Oh yeah, he sold that his That's how I got 0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.360 on through his relationships with just being and yeah, absolutely, 0:54:01.400 --> 0:54:02.640 you know yeah, but. 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:06.279 Yeah, man, I just. 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:11.239 Think the riosis I understood it different. He understood me. 0:54:11.239 --> 0:54:14.040 Different, because that's that's really that's really what it is, 0:54:14.160 --> 0:54:18.359 right understan Having that relationship and that understanding, it don't matter. 0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:21.279 You can be the greatest manager in the world. You're 0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:24.760 only as good as the client who respects and listens 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:25.960 and agrees. 0:54:26.200 --> 0:54:26.560 For sure. 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:29.920 To flat out, everybody's like, oh, yeah, I'm a I 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.000 meet certain artists are like, yeah, man, I would love 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:33.520 for you to this. Are you know I'm gonna go 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:35.640 to such and such as a manager. I'm like, you 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:41.320 should get to know him first, right, Seriously. 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:44.120 You think you're just about to jump into that book. 0:54:44.719 --> 0:54:47.600 You're not. And I've had you see something different when 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:50.399 I'm a managers artists that have pitched me like Jay, 0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:52.560 you can you and I knew the money was there. 0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.960 You probably know about taking now yeah that you didn't 0:54:56.000 --> 0:54:58.799 know just writing songs with him, You know what I'm saying. 0:54:59.719 --> 0:55:06.080 Yeah, because Bro, that road, those those leaving that club 0:55:06.239 --> 0:55:13.560 at four in the morning, life, marriage, kids, all of 0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.960 those things are just different when you locked in like that, 0:55:17.120 --> 0:55:17.719 you know what I'm saying. 0:55:17.800 --> 0:55:21.880 So, but for me, I always tell people, bro, like 0:55:22.120 --> 0:55:24.279 as as a client, if you want to say those 0:55:24.360 --> 0:55:25.800 you want to use those technical terms. 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:27.719 Tank was a guy send for me. 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:31.080 He was a guy sent for me flat out, you 0:55:31.160 --> 0:55:33.200 know what I'm saying, as far as as an artist, 0:55:33.280 --> 0:55:39.360 and he said he's like man the ship that he 0:55:39.560 --> 0:55:43.040 listened to me on that he didn't have to gotch 0:55:43.480 --> 0:55:45.680 you know what I'm saying, Like I didn't because also 0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:48.400 I didn't. I didn't come through the path with Tank 0:55:48.880 --> 0:55:52.880 to make him tank right, So I get him at 0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:56.600 a different stage of his career. I helped rebuild it, 0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:00.640 but I wasn't there from the beginning, right, So I 0:56:00.680 --> 0:56:01.600 didn't have that either. 0:56:01.640 --> 0:56:03.080 So he could have easily just been like nig you 0:56:03.120 --> 0:56:09.600 don't know, or or use you against you. It's but 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:13.440 I get so. I was always very understanding and respectful 0:56:13.640 --> 0:56:16.640 of of how he approached it with me. But that's 0:56:16.680 --> 0:56:19.120 her calling though, Yeah, what's crazy? You did it the 0:56:19.200 --> 0:56:20.760 right way, because. 0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:27.320 It's like people that want to run a restaurant but 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:29.960 it ain't never been a chef man, you know, you 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:34.600 understand what I'm saying, but clean the table. You don't 0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:37.719 cook the food. You know, sat the people. Now you 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:38.399 understand how. 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:40.759 To bury nothing in the music business, I would say 0:56:40.760 --> 0:56:42.840 at this stage of my life and career that I 0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:45.239 feel like I can't do or maybe even haven't done 0:56:45.280 --> 0:56:49.160 at least once tried. Like oh yeah, listen, bro, I 0:56:49.200 --> 0:56:51.239 didn't read people contracts for him. I'm not a lawyer, 0:56:52.719 --> 0:56:53.640 but I know terms. 0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:56.560 I know deal you know what I mean, like stuff 0:56:56.560 --> 0:56:58.839 you got to look for. But yes, but I'm talking 0:56:58.880 --> 0:56:59.160 about the. 0:56:59.200 --> 0:57:01.920 People that aren't haven't been my clients anything, just a 0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:03.880 friend like Jay, what do you think about hey man? 0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:06.200 Sense to me, that's crazy. You know what I'm saying, 0:57:06.680 --> 0:57:10.640 to stop giving away free no, no, no, no, I 0:57:10.800 --> 0:57:12.920 like I love giving away free game. 0:57:12.960 --> 0:57:13.080 Bro. 0:57:13.160 --> 0:57:15.120 That's why I wanted to do this show because I 0:57:15.200 --> 0:57:16.360 never really like to do panels. 0:57:17.800 --> 0:57:20.960 Panels are interesting to me because I'm a person that 0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:24.440 I'm like, I feel like i feel like people are 0:57:24.480 --> 0:57:25.080 just staring at me. 0:57:25.920 --> 0:57:27.680 I'm sitting up there talking and they're staring. I can. 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:29.960 I can sit here and do it, but like to 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.760 consistently do that the people. It's not even the people, bro. 0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:36.240 You kind of starts feeling like a little bit of 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.840 a of a zoo animal fishing the boat. Yeah, make 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:40.200 me laugh. 0:57:42.000 --> 0:57:45.920 I hate I don't like saying because of who I am, 0:57:46.680 --> 0:57:49.480 Like I was always in there everybody knew. 0:57:50.040 --> 0:57:51.040 Okay, you know what I mean. 0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:58.600 Like in high school, I was school with the athletes, cheerleaders, geeks, 0:57:59.760 --> 0:58:01.000 the choir. 0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:03.000 I'm in choir, so you know what I mean. Like 0:58:03.200 --> 0:58:05.439 I was the dude everybody knew. 0:58:06.440 --> 0:58:11.760 But I guess when it's just oh life, it's not 0:58:11.920 --> 0:58:17.080 as as important because it didn't bother me like that 0:58:18.080 --> 0:58:20.680 with everybody doing me like Broad Dame and all that, 0:58:20.880 --> 0:58:24.000 and then social media and all that took flight, and 0:58:24.080 --> 0:58:24.440 it's just. 0:58:24.520 --> 0:58:30.680 Like, so how are you dealing with it on that 0:58:30.800 --> 0:58:35.200 first project? As far as seeing people change, right, because 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.040 everybody's like, oh, what you change when it gigs cracked? 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:41.000 No more so people around you change in the way 0:58:41.040 --> 0:58:44.200 people treat you changes more so than you actually change. 0:58:44.320 --> 0:58:46.240 Well, let me tell you the interesting part about that 0:58:46.320 --> 0:58:49.240 whole thing. Like, so, my father died when I was eleven, right, 0:58:50.080 --> 0:58:54.720 and from eleven to the time I got famous, my mom. 0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:57.440 Did like this with me. 0:58:58.040 --> 0:59:01.160 Nobody could reprimand me nobody could. So I was kind 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.800 of the guy, you're the man in the house, you 0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:05.960 know what I mean, just just in general, just in fami. 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:07.480 I couldn't get in trouble. I couldn't, you know what 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:10.480 I mean. Not bragging about it, but it was just 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:13.560 one of those things of I was her golden job. Yeah, 0:59:13.720 --> 0:59:16.560 it was very, very protective, very you know what I mean. 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:22.640 So just that the look of the stairs and just 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:23.960 people just to focus. 0:59:23.760 --> 0:59:26.000 Been on you. It had always kind of been kind 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:29.200 of that. But I never wanted to be famous. 0:59:29.240 --> 0:59:33.400 Bron So do you think you okay, So let's let's 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:37.440 go back there. If bed never happens, right, because obviously 0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:42.880 that led to fort never happens. Would you had have 0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:47.200 been satisfied singing you didn't even have to ask a question. 0:59:47.360 --> 0:59:53.160 Yeah, yeah, yeah, my my one My one goal for 0:59:53.480 --> 0:59:56.919 music was to have one song played on the radio. 0:59:57.960 --> 1:00:01.400 That was it. That was That was the extent of 1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:03.800 my dream. No ship to God. 1:00:04.000 --> 1:00:06.360 That was the extent of my dream. It wasn't the videos, 1:00:06.440 --> 1:00:07.960 it wasn't the war shows, it was none of that. 1:00:08.120 --> 1:00:10.160 It was I just won't hear you want to hear it. 1:00:11.160 --> 1:00:16.240 That was it. That was it. So I've I've over 1:00:18.480 --> 1:00:22.200 passed my goal multiple times. I'm good. 1:00:22.480 --> 1:00:25.600 Okay, the fame side of it, right, the the finance 1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:29.240 has changed your mindset though, of like oh shit, like 1:00:29.400 --> 1:00:32.680 I can really make a real living doing this. 1:00:32.920 --> 1:00:35.880 It does so more now because things are slower now, 1:00:36.280 --> 1:00:36.880 you know what I'm saying. 1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:37.360 So it's like. 1:00:39.400 --> 1:00:42.080 When people like that, you get asked the question like, oh, Jay, 1:00:42.440 --> 1:00:44.120 you've seen it? Mean Jay went to bed and never 1:00:44.200 --> 1:00:45.840 woke up type stuff. 1:00:45.960 --> 1:00:50.560 Right, I haven't seen that. That's literally okay, yeah, she 1:00:50.640 --> 1:00:51.680 went to bed and never woke up. 1:00:52.480 --> 1:00:54.800 However, I haven't worked with the job in twenty one years, 1:00:56.160 --> 1:01:00.320 so message and nobody's paying my bills, right, right, you 1:01:00.440 --> 1:01:03.560 do know what I'm saying. So, I mean, how many 1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.520 shows you do a year depends depends on the year. 1:01:07.160 --> 1:01:09.200 Do you do you have like a set out, like, Okay, 1:01:09.480 --> 1:01:11.200 I want to do fifty. I want to do twenty 1:01:11.680 --> 1:01:13.840 this year. I only want to do I try to 1:01:13.880 --> 1:01:16.200 be on the road every weekend. Okay, I try to, 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:18.760 you know, try to do fifty two out the year. 1:01:18.840 --> 1:01:21.000 But you know, don't always happen like that. 1:01:21.200 --> 1:01:25.320 Yeah, and do you you're doing domestic and international? You 1:01:25.480 --> 1:01:27.240 just you're everywhere for the most part. 1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:30.160 Yeah, I mean I'm more so domestic now, but you 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:34.600 know I'm overseas every year, you know, either London or somewhere. 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:37.200 Yeah, you know what I mean. Twenty one straight years. 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:38.959 Yeah, we like we're about to go to the Cayman 1:01:39.000 --> 1:01:39.800 Islands May. 1:01:40.240 --> 1:01:43.120 It's a great life, bro. Yeah, that's a great life. 1:01:43.640 --> 1:01:46.440 Like I like it. You know. Like I said, I 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:49.160 have artists sensibility, so I get I get the parts 1:01:49.200 --> 1:01:53.680 that aren't you know. Yeah, you know. But the fact 1:01:53.720 --> 1:01:56.680 that you can go out every weekend or every other 1:01:56.760 --> 1:01:59.200 weekend do a show somewhere. 1:01:59.280 --> 1:02:01.479 Like this, my mom, I've been off for the last 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:03.640 two weeks, but I'm about to go to work on Saturday. 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.240 Yeah, and take care of you and your family. Yeah, 1:02:06.600 --> 1:02:11.200 that's incredible, bro. Congratulations you know, and I'm working on 1:02:11.280 --> 1:02:11.720 other stuff. 1:02:11.720 --> 1:02:15.360 But yeah, as far as my my, my, my, my 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:19.320 center part of Jay Holiday and what the brand of 1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:20.160 Jay Holliday has. 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:23.640 Been doing, Like, I'm cool. That's incredible, man, cool. You know, 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:26.040 you could always want more, but but I'm slack. But 1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:27.880 I'm cool. I ain't got slack. I ain't got no complain. 1:02:36.560 --> 1:02:39.680 When you started to get into the second album, that's 1:02:39.720 --> 1:02:41.480 when you hit the fans. But you're coming off a 1:02:41.520 --> 1:02:45.360 Grammy nomination, Platinum songs go dolbum did. 1:02:45.680 --> 1:02:48.360 Go platinum too? Did them go going platinum too? Yeah? 1:02:48.480 --> 1:02:52.080 I mean as far as they said, it's been platinum. Yeah. 1:02:52.840 --> 1:02:56.600 See coming off of that sophomore jinx anything, those type 1:02:56.640 --> 1:02:59.920 of things you called the second round, round two, round two, 1:03:00.600 --> 1:03:03.560 and what happens because you said that's when he sh 1:03:03.720 --> 1:03:06.080 hits the fan, like what happens at the label. 1:03:06.240 --> 1:03:09.560 I almost said her name ship we. 1:03:09.640 --> 1:03:15.560 Got almost almost just said the name. Yeah yeah, but 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:19.560 so there, So okay, So after Ronnie, after Ronnie Johnson 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:23.360 passed away, there's a couple more different little things that's 1:03:23.400 --> 1:03:28.360 going on. Jason came over there, lawyer running a music business, 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:32.960 I don't know, didn't make sense to me. But so 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:37.760 then they broke it. They broke the label down into departments. 1:03:38.120 --> 1:03:40.440 It was no more label head, it was heads of departments. 1:03:41.000 --> 1:03:43.720 There was no president m and then they were doing 1:03:43.760 --> 1:03:45.840 that E one dials and all that stuff, and. 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:48.160 Is the riots there? Then he's still no be the 1:03:48.200 --> 1:03:50.400 right spinner. Oh he's there. I left them for the rights, Okay, 1:03:50.600 --> 1:03:53.480 I made them release me made them. 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:59.240 But so there was a woman that was in charge 1:03:59.280 --> 1:04:02.880 of marketing or I guess that was her, I want 1:04:02.920 --> 1:04:05.840 to say market and she literally came in trying to 1:04:05.960 --> 1:04:09.680 change who I was from what I felt comfortable in 1:04:10.960 --> 1:04:14.920 two you know what I mean, like just now, how 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:16.919 you like the artist's sensibility section. 1:04:17.120 --> 1:04:18.640 She didn't have none of that, but her mind, she's 1:04:18.640 --> 1:04:19.560 taking it to another level. 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:23.560 I'm sure in her mind her ideas are gonna, yeah, 1:04:23.800 --> 1:04:26.440 gonna blow the ship up. And we just kept doing this, 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:29.360 kept doing this, kept doing this, kept doing this, and 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:35.200 so after round two came out because they I'll give 1:04:35.200 --> 1:04:40.760 you one example. So one example was to promote this 1:04:41.040 --> 1:04:45.680 album Ta Tatiana Ali is is getting back into the 1:04:45.760 --> 1:04:46.320 dating world. 1:04:46.680 --> 1:04:49.520 So she's going to do this thing on one of 1:04:49.600 --> 1:04:50.520 the one of it. 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:51.920 No, no, it wasn't in reality show. It was like 1:04:51.960 --> 1:04:54.240 a like a like a it was like a piece 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:58.640 on one of the uh. I can't remember naming the show. 1:04:58.640 --> 1:04:59.760 I don't even want to say the name of the show. 1:04:59.800 --> 1:05:01.520 But it was basically gonna be on the TV show 1:05:01.560 --> 1:05:03.280 that just talks about celebrities. I forgot the name of 1:05:03.320 --> 1:05:06.160 the show, but one of them type of joints. So 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:07.800 she was gonna go on like three or four dates 1:05:07.840 --> 1:05:10.080 and I was supposed to be one of the day 1:05:10.120 --> 1:05:14.080 to day right, Okay, so I'm all right, cool, Well 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:20.280 what they gonna be? So then, so one of the 1:05:20.560 --> 1:05:22.840 ideas was, yeah, you should like take her to a 1:05:22.880 --> 1:05:25.240 back boxing ring because I'm a boxing fan or whatever, 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:26.760 so like take her to a boxing ring and. 1:05:26.760 --> 1:05:30.680 Then like let her knock you out. Right, I don't 1:05:30.680 --> 1:05:31.760 even make sentence. 1:05:32.120 --> 1:05:35.560 I will never let her knock me out advert for 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:38.520 any reason, Like why would I do that. I'm not 1:05:38.520 --> 1:05:40.680 about to getting the ring of play boxing, Like, nah, 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:44.080 why can't I take her to crust stations and sing 1:05:44.200 --> 1:05:45.040 to her at the piano. 1:05:46.320 --> 1:05:48.120 I'm not saying that that would have been easy. 1:05:47.960 --> 1:05:51.280 To Yeah, But so it was like these are the 1:05:51.400 --> 1:05:53.000 kind of things that are being brought to me, and 1:05:53.040 --> 1:05:54.920 I'm just like, bro, she don't get who I am 1:05:55.280 --> 1:05:57.720 at all, and it's. 1:05:57.680 --> 1:06:00.320 Just the bumper head bumper haas boomer head. So it 1:06:00.440 --> 1:06:03.880 basically was like, all right, time for a new album. 1:06:04.080 --> 1:06:06.840 I'm ready, y'all not ready release me? 1:06:07.400 --> 1:06:11.240 So this is before or after Round two? 1:06:11.520 --> 1:06:15.320 This is I'm doing doing the marketing for Round two. 1:06:15.520 --> 1:06:17.120 That was supposed to be in the marketing for a 1:06:17.160 --> 1:06:19.760 Round two and I'm not doing that. I'm not even 1:06:19.800 --> 1:06:22.120 sure if she ended up even doing the TV show 1:06:22.200 --> 1:06:24.200 or whatever, I don't know. I'm not doing that. 1:06:25.760 --> 1:06:26.280 Like that. 1:06:26.520 --> 1:06:28.080 We can come up with a better date than Yeah, 1:06:29.120 --> 1:06:32.840 we could come you mean, Ashley, Nah, we can come 1:06:32.920 --> 1:06:34.800 up with a better date than that. You're not about 1:06:34.800 --> 1:06:38.400 having me out here looking crazy, not at all, you know. 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:40.880 So it was it's just it became a bumpinghead type 1:06:40.920 --> 1:06:44.120 thing and pause. But yeah, man, So after that, I 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:46.600 was just like, bro, I gotta go. I'm now at 1:06:46.600 --> 1:06:52.320 this point because of the systems moving around and I'm 1:06:52.480 --> 1:06:56.000 gonna be stagnant here. There's no further I can go 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:59.280 with this lip. I just didn't think it was possible. 1:06:59.320 --> 1:07:01.880 So I was like, you released have a plan though 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:07.160 not at all. Shi not even in the least bit. 1:07:07.280 --> 1:07:13.160 Bro, not in the I respected like big, I just 1:07:13.200 --> 1:07:16.479 want out, Yeah, because it was like I mean, because 1:07:16.520 --> 1:07:17.000 I wanted out. 1:07:17.040 --> 1:07:17.800 It just didn't make sense. 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:20.320 So I get it. But I went through the same 1:07:20.400 --> 1:07:20.760 thing with that. 1:07:20.920 --> 1:07:23.320 The biggest thing for me was so all right, maam, 1:07:23.440 --> 1:07:25.960 we had bad suffocate cool, all right, we didn't do 1:07:25.960 --> 1:07:28.520 a third singles, got it? So then we put It's 1:07:28.560 --> 1:07:33.840 yours shout off the jazz shout yea mind you. I 1:07:34.040 --> 1:07:37.320 recorded my whole second album at my house by myself 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:41.040 as an engineer, and on my whole album, I picked 1:07:41.080 --> 1:07:45.400 all the songs. I literally did the second on myself. 1:07:45.520 --> 1:07:47.080 They had to pay me to get the album. I 1:07:47.120 --> 1:07:50.440 was about to say they had to me to get that. 1:07:50.600 --> 1:07:52.480 They said, what's the album? If you want to know 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:54.040 them to send the check first. 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:57.560 So you charged back studio to the house, the whole thing. 1:07:57.800 --> 1:08:00.040 Yeah, but nothing, no, none, crazy, I'm like, fun, I 1:08:00.960 --> 1:08:04.080 think of I probably could have gotten a lot, yeah, 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:06.960 but I the number I gave him imber like, yeah, 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:07.800 they sent. 1:08:07.720 --> 1:08:10.280 That joint right away. Oh you want five hundred dollars, 1:08:12.920 --> 1:08:14.600 So I mean I could have got a lot more. 1:08:14.920 --> 1:08:17.040 I wish I would have, but so all right, So 1:08:17.120 --> 1:08:19.240 we put out ISSH Yours and then I had a 1:08:19.280 --> 1:08:22.360 song with Rick Ross before Rose. This is right before 1:08:22.400 --> 1:08:25.600 you changed, like going by to Riggy Rose. But it 1:08:25.720 --> 1:08:30.439 was I had a song called blah lah bout smoking 1:08:30.439 --> 1:08:34.040 Weed or whatever, and it would have been a record, 1:08:35.400 --> 1:08:38.120 and they just put a hard stop on me. 1:08:38.200 --> 1:08:40.840 Bro, they just stopped supporting me. So I was like, 1:08:40.920 --> 1:08:41.280 release me. 1:08:41.360 --> 1:08:43.280 When you look back on it now, as a matter 1:08:43.280 --> 1:08:45.519 of fact, I'm sorry, I take that back. We were 1:08:45.560 --> 1:08:47.320 ready with the second single. They didn't want to put 1:08:47.320 --> 1:08:48.360 a second single out. Release me. 1:08:48.800 --> 1:08:50.439 So that's why I asked, when you look back on 1:08:50.600 --> 1:08:52.679 when you look back on the now, do you feel 1:08:52.800 --> 1:08:54.200 like you should have stayed in it? 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:58.800 No? No, never compromise who you are, Okay, never, Well 1:08:58.920 --> 1:09:02.120 for me, that's I believe that. This is how I 1:09:02.240 --> 1:09:02.679 was raised. 1:09:02.800 --> 1:09:05.760 And the minute you start and you see it, the 1:09:05.840 --> 1:09:07.720 minute you start saying yes to stuff you don't want 1:09:07.720 --> 1:09:10.880 to say yes to, more things that you don't want 1:09:10.880 --> 1:09:12.120 to say yes to start popping up. 1:09:12.240 --> 1:09:17.880 Yes. So to stop that, you gotta filter it out. 1:09:18.200 --> 1:09:19.320 You gotta filter that shit out. 1:09:19.640 --> 1:09:23.639 Yeah, So you know what was next when you when 1:09:24.000 --> 1:09:26.000 you once you get your release because that's not a 1:09:26.200 --> 1:09:28.320 that's actually that's not an easy thing either. 1:09:29.320 --> 1:09:30.439 It's a full process. 1:09:30.720 --> 1:09:33.120 I don't even know who's making decisions at Capital at 1:09:33.160 --> 1:09:34.839 that point in time. If I was them, I wouldn't 1:09:34.840 --> 1:09:37.840 have let me go, but I would have just dropped 1:09:37.840 --> 1:09:40.160 the single. Let's figure out how we can get him 1:09:40.200 --> 1:09:40.519 back on it. 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:44.519 But you became a headache for him. 1:09:44.680 --> 1:09:46.799 When you're good at what you do as an artist, 1:09:48.000 --> 1:09:51.599 you talk like that, you moved like that, you feel 1:09:51.680 --> 1:09:53.880 like that. And I just think that I knew too 1:09:54.000 --> 1:09:58.600 like I knew too much about just the intricacies of 1:09:58.720 --> 1:10:01.040 just being a being an artist. Manother label. Man, I 1:10:01.120 --> 1:10:03.400 don't have to say yes to this, But if you 1:10:03.479 --> 1:10:06.880 don't say yes, something might not something might not get done, 1:10:07.800 --> 1:10:10.160 you know. And that's just something I just have to 1:10:10.240 --> 1:10:12.320 live with. But so after that, I ended up getting 1:10:12.360 --> 1:10:14.560 signed to death Cham, which nothing happened. But that's the 1:10:14.560 --> 1:10:15.200 whole nother story. 1:10:15.320 --> 1:10:18.720 As you do end up going and doing another deal though, Yeah, 1:10:18.920 --> 1:10:20.320 but you never put that out model over there. 1:10:20.400 --> 1:10:26.080 Look who I was competing with, Dream Neil Kanye, they 1:10:26.360 --> 1:10:27.840 had it. They had a full load at the time, 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:34.040 and and I was signed by somebody that left. I 1:10:34.200 --> 1:10:35.360 was like their last label. 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:36.560 Well no, not even that. 1:10:36.720 --> 1:10:38.360 It was like I'm leaving, but I can get the 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:40.439 boy some money real quick. Oh so it was kinda 1:10:40.560 --> 1:10:43.040 just really like yeah, yeah, yeah, no that that was 1:10:43.120 --> 1:10:44.360 more of a play than anything. 1:10:44.400 --> 1:10:46.240 Okay, yeah, yeah, would never mattered. 1:10:46.280 --> 1:10:49.600 So I wasn't that broken again, Yeah, yeah, it was 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:49.920 a play. 1:10:50.320 --> 1:10:52.960 And are you doing are you still at that point? 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:56.439 Are you still doing shows all the time or you're 1:10:56.520 --> 1:10:58.479 kind of even there? 1:10:58.720 --> 1:11:01.200 Yeah? I know now obviously you know, no, I was 1:11:01.200 --> 1:11:03.440 still I was still doing shows. 1:11:05.840 --> 1:11:08.479 At some point in time, I was doing I was 1:11:08.520 --> 1:11:11.320 doing like overseas stuff, like for a minute, I was 1:11:11.360 --> 1:11:15.599 doing a lot of overseas stuff. But yeah, man, man, 1:11:15.720 --> 1:11:17.759 this this industry ain't for the for the week. 1:11:18.000 --> 1:11:21.360 Not at all, not at all for the week. Bro. 1:11:21.960 --> 1:11:25.000 Now you're independent right after the right after the depth, damn, Jill. 1:11:25.439 --> 1:11:26.679 I was on de John for three and a half games. 1:11:27.080 --> 1:11:28.280 I don't know why I sat for so long. 1:11:28.439 --> 1:11:32.200 Wait wait wait, wait is two and a half or 1:11:32.200 --> 1:11:33.000 three and a half high. 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:37.880 The guy who got the deal or put it in place, 1:11:38.400 --> 1:11:43.920 leaves who went to go through X Factor. Okay, but 1:11:44.080 --> 1:11:47.599 they keep you for almost three years just on the show, 1:11:48.200 --> 1:11:49.639 not working on the album or anything. 1:11:49.680 --> 1:11:51.680 I ain't know. I never went to the building. Come on, bro, 1:11:53.000 --> 1:11:53.479 you never. 1:11:53.680 --> 1:11:57.000 I had no contacts there. I had no contacts for 1:11:57.360 --> 1:12:01.960 three years. But that's that's also that'sn't follow management. That's 1:12:01.960 --> 1:12:03.559 the fault on me. That the Rise was my manager 1:12:04.720 --> 1:12:07.719 that make that click. The Rise was not my manager. 1:12:08.200 --> 1:12:11.560 That was management fault. That was a lot of that 1:12:12.200 --> 1:12:18.880 was business stuff, Like I was a little reckless out here, 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:21.640 you know what I'm saying, rocking with niggas, girls and 1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:24.760 shit like that. Like, so it came to a point 1:12:24.760 --> 1:12:26.519 where niggas had to be like, put me in my place, 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:29.840 I guess you know what I'm saying. So the the 1:12:30.920 --> 1:12:33.280 the people that made the decisions, not at the label. 1:12:33.320 --> 1:12:36.080 There's nobody at the label, but just impersonal close circle 1:12:36.200 --> 1:12:40.280 type shit. Sit just got messy, man, Sit just got messy. 1:12:40.320 --> 1:12:45.559 Bro. Yeah yeah, she got messy, bro, But nah, I mean, 1:12:45.640 --> 1:12:48.320 how do you out of that deal? Though? To release me? 1:12:48.360 --> 1:12:50.240 I wanted to put on mo okay and they did. 1:12:50.560 --> 1:12:52.400 So Basically what happened was, I'm like, I know, y'all 1:12:52.439 --> 1:12:54.720 aint got focused. Y'all can't focus on me right now, 1:12:54.760 --> 1:12:59.280 so I'm just drop songs, dropping songs dropping songs. 1:12:59.200 --> 1:13:04.000 Dropping songs, you know, blocked every song. I was like, 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:06.040 what I'm not sign. 1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:10.840 This is me not even thinking about the umbrella. Like yeah, 1:13:12.280 --> 1:13:15.400 I wasn't thinking about the umbrella, but yeah, they kept 1:13:15.439 --> 1:13:17.679 blocking it. So I was like, oh, nah, y'all blocking 1:13:17.800 --> 1:13:19.720 what I'm trying to put out, like mixtapes. I was 1:13:19.760 --> 1:13:21.880 putting on mixtapes and stuff like that, but they won't 1:13:21.920 --> 1:13:23.559 put anything out. But y'all won't put none out. 1:13:23.840 --> 1:13:31.760 Release me fucking music business. Yeah, what's next for you now? 1:13:32.840 --> 1:13:33.160 With me? 1:13:33.760 --> 1:13:36.280 What it like? Obviously, like you said, you stay on 1:13:36.360 --> 1:13:38.880 the road, you stay working. What's the next for you 1:13:39.000 --> 1:13:41.160 in the game that you you like? Okay, this is 1:13:41.200 --> 1:13:43.679 something I want to go after, something I'm chasing. 1:13:43.840 --> 1:13:47.200 So one of my I'm a big movie buff, right, 1:13:47.680 --> 1:13:51.800 so it's not many movies I haven't seen, but like 1:13:51.840 --> 1:13:53.840 I always wanted to do scripts. I wanted to be 1:13:54.360 --> 1:13:57.120 a writer, write scripts, stuff like that. So I have 1:13:57.160 --> 1:14:01.360 a script now that I'm about to stop start shopping around. 1:14:01.439 --> 1:14:01.840 That's dope. 1:14:01.960 --> 1:14:03.600 That sh it is not easy, but no it's not. 1:14:04.560 --> 1:14:06.599 I was working on that I con mentioned seven years. Man, 1:14:06.800 --> 1:14:08.479 I just couldn't I couldn't focus to finish it. But 1:14:08.479 --> 1:14:10.160 I finally finished. I finished it in like three days, 1:14:10.200 --> 1:14:12.439 like you know what, I'm about to do it. But 1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:15.880 so I thought about it and I was like, you 1:14:15.920 --> 1:14:18.760 know what, before I let this script get lost in 1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:22.960 the sauce, let's make a name for the script. So 1:14:23.040 --> 1:14:24.920 I converted it to a book. So my next thing, 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:27.600 I'm about to drop a novel. Yeah, I'm about to 1:14:27.640 --> 1:14:30.760 drop a novel. It's called Karma. Yeah, man, just see 1:14:30.800 --> 1:14:32.640 what that do. But other than that, I got my 1:14:33.080 --> 1:14:34.640 artist Rico Anthony. 1:14:34.680 --> 1:14:36.559 Or you didn't. You didn't jumped on the executive side, 1:14:36.720 --> 1:14:38.120 Oh for sure? Sure? 1:14:38.240 --> 1:14:41.040 Oh yeah, no, Like I love music, I just don't 1:14:41.040 --> 1:14:43.960 want to be there the face no more. I mean 1:14:44.000 --> 1:14:45.320 like I'm about to get off stage all that, Like 1:14:45.439 --> 1:14:46.639 I'm cool. 1:14:46.840 --> 1:14:48.080 Are you here? I'm cool. 1:14:48.439 --> 1:14:52.240 I'm cool, bro, like shit, real talk, man, I mean, 1:14:52.280 --> 1:14:56.160 but not just like you put other things in place first, 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.320 you know what I mean. But I'm not about to 1:14:58.479 --> 1:15:02.000 be Frankie Beverley. I'm not I'm not doing this. I'm 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:03.160 not on stage at seventy. 1:15:03.280 --> 1:15:06.800 I'm cool. I'm straight eighty. I'm cool. Bro. 1:15:07.160 --> 1:15:09.360 I love it, but not that much, right, you know 1:15:09.400 --> 1:15:14.760 what I mean? Like, I absolutely love music. I love 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:16.360 the creative process. 1:15:17.000 --> 1:15:20.040 I'm glad you said that, because I think some people 1:15:20.120 --> 1:15:22.800 don't understand you can love music and not do it 1:15:23.400 --> 1:15:26.120 that way, yeah, for sure, or not do it professionally 1:15:26.280 --> 1:15:30.960 as an artist, as a singer, as an active performer, 1:15:31.800 --> 1:15:32.840 because I get it all the time. 1:15:32.920 --> 1:15:34.880 Bro. Like I got four albums. Bro, the two of 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:38.920 them don't. I don't really an independent heart. But two 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:40.280 of them aren't really you know what I'm saying. 1:15:40.280 --> 1:15:41.080 They not really known. 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:44.280 One of them never got played. That's a whole nother story. 1:15:45.040 --> 1:15:47.439 When you talk about the industry, that there's an album 1:15:47.560 --> 1:15:53.920 that should have dropped that didn't. That would have been 1:15:54.000 --> 1:15:57.040 a turning point for my career vocally, everything would have been. 1:15:57.040 --> 1:15:58.720 It would have been a turning point. So that and 1:15:58.800 --> 1:16:01.640 where you saw it that stigmatized me. 1:16:01.760 --> 1:16:02.080 No, I was. 1:16:02.160 --> 1:16:03.280 I was independent on the duney. 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:05.559 So basically what I was like, you know what I'm saying, 1:16:05.760 --> 1:16:07.920 I'm like, you know, you deal with people in the industry, 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:09.640 and then you're like, I don't really want to do 1:16:09.720 --> 1:16:11.800 business with them. But it's like, but maybe if I 1:16:11.920 --> 1:16:16.599 come in from an executive standpoint and not an artist standpoint, 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:18.760 doyn't respect me a little more, you know what I mean, 1:16:19.680 --> 1:16:23.240 or things will play different because now it was executive. Nah, 1:16:23.360 --> 1:16:26.479 still was still the same games and and all of that. Like, Bro, 1:16:26.600 --> 1:16:29.439 I'm not your artist no more, I'm your partner. Oh 1:16:29.520 --> 1:16:31.560 that's a whole other con treating like a partner or 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:35.519 this is gonna go left. Yeah, So people in this 1:16:35.680 --> 1:16:38.639 industry that like to choose to do what they want 1:16:38.640 --> 1:16:42.200 to do and mess with people's live goods. Yeah, he 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:45.520 blocked album and gave a song to BBD. 1:16:45.439 --> 1:16:48.000 And it's just a lot of stuff going shit. So 1:16:48.439 --> 1:16:52.160 BBD's most recent single is Incredible. That was on my album. 1:16:53.400 --> 1:16:56.519 So look up the song incredible. Okay, look up the 1:16:56.560 --> 1:17:02.599 BBD song Incredible and yeah, like and then you start 1:17:02.640 --> 1:17:06.679 giving away songs from that album. That type of stuff 1:17:06.720 --> 1:17:08.040 that goes on in the music industry. 1:17:08.520 --> 1:17:09.639 Yeah, no, absolutely if. 1:17:09.520 --> 1:17:14.200 People get hurt for it, but you know, you gotta 1:17:14.479 --> 1:17:18.479 you gotta take things like a grand of salt, bro, because. 1:17:18.280 --> 1:17:21.280 What do you see as far as when you guys started, 1:17:21.280 --> 1:17:23.120 when we got started, right as far as we were 1:17:23.160 --> 1:17:24.720 you know, we were out around the same time at 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:25.080 that time. 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:29.640 To now, like what in R and B music and 1:17:30.520 --> 1:17:32.800 the outlook on it for you know the artists that 1:17:32.840 --> 1:17:33.519 are in it now. 1:17:33.840 --> 1:17:35.840 Oh man, I mean it's some dope stuff going on, 1:17:35.960 --> 1:17:38.479 you know what I'm saying. Obviously everybody know about Leon 1:17:38.560 --> 1:17:42.160 Thomas of course you know I rock with Bruno. I mean, 1:17:42.200 --> 1:17:44.439 I think he's probably my part. But now that we're 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:45.640 keeping him, hey, we. 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:48.080 Get gotta go. But you know what I'm saying, I 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:52.640 think that subject matter is getting lost. You know what 1:17:52.720 --> 1:17:55.880 I'm saying, Like the real storytelling and the storytelling and 1:17:55.960 --> 1:18:01.280 the love now is its sound all mad? You know 1:18:01.320 --> 1:18:01.640 what I mean? 1:18:01.920 --> 1:18:05.760 Like it's so toxic, you know what I mean? And 1:18:06.360 --> 1:18:10.160 no shots to Leon Thomas blood the song much joint, 1:18:10.720 --> 1:18:11.200 but it's like. 1:18:14.160 --> 1:18:15.559 Subject matter mm hmm. 1:18:15.880 --> 1:18:16.240 I mean. 1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:23.920 It's you have to find a feeding to our kids. 1:18:24.880 --> 1:18:26.880 You have to find a happy medium though right where 1:18:27.520 --> 1:18:31.479 you know what what is what's the climate? Yeah, and 1:18:31.560 --> 1:18:34.640 where you fit into the climate right because you know, 1:18:34.880 --> 1:18:38.519 I know Leon and I know Leon is going to 1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:46.240 always veer back to those love I can't record as 1:18:46.280 --> 1:18:48.000 a hit record, you know what I'm saying, as a 1:18:48.400 --> 1:18:54.360 hit record, so mad. That's why I'm saying that, Like, 1:18:54.520 --> 1:18:57.000 you know, and I think what what what happens is? 1:18:57.080 --> 1:19:00.920 Like I said, you find your space to where you 1:19:00.960 --> 1:19:04.920 can get your voice big enough to get off what 1:19:05.040 --> 1:19:07.320 you really want to for sure, as you know, as 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:10.559 the time goes, because I'm watching it with Kaylney and. 1:19:10.600 --> 1:19:13.840 It's so crazy because I know I am going to 1:19:13.920 --> 1:19:15.360 do at least one more album. I am. 1:19:16.000 --> 1:19:20.760 I'm already putting together records for it. Okay, but it 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:26.599 this transitions into me talking about this subject matter wise, it's. 1:19:28.479 --> 1:19:28.720 For me. 1:19:29.040 --> 1:19:32.120 On this album, it's going to be more focusing on 1:19:33.320 --> 1:19:37.439 like the struggles of life, the struggles of love, not 1:19:37.640 --> 1:19:39.679 necessarily just mad. 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:41.000 And angry, but. 1:19:42.680 --> 1:19:45.360 Like I got a song called Malcolm where I'm basically like, 1:19:47.920 --> 1:19:52.919 somebody got to speak up. Bro, nobody's saying enough. Everybody's 1:19:52.920 --> 1:19:56.600 just letting everything just happens, just happen, you know what 1:19:56.640 --> 1:20:00.240 I'm saying. So I got that song, and then you 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.400 know a song called Blowed out the Window, which is 1:20:02.560 --> 1:20:04.360 basically like young you know, smoke one man, let that 1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:08.240 ship go, bro, like focus on the positive, yeah you. 1:20:08.240 --> 1:20:08.639 Know what I mean. 1:20:08.760 --> 1:20:11.120 So just trying to be more more more inspirational and 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:14.600 stuff bright, not no gospel stuff, but but you know, 1:20:14.880 --> 1:20:16.920 just trying to change mindset a little bit. 1:20:17.439 --> 1:20:20.479 Yeah, because you know, I'm known for sex records, so yeah, 1:20:20.560 --> 1:20:24.800 you're which is crazy as my company is called Young 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:25.760 Mogulm Incorporated. 1:20:27.040 --> 1:20:32.120 Since day one, the sex level, like you know what 1:20:32.160 --> 1:20:33.600 I mean, Like I've been on the I've been on 1:20:33.680 --> 1:20:35.080 my Magamax ship and all that. 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:40.200 But but I think as artists, as creative, it's just 1:20:40.360 --> 1:20:44.320 about showing that you can do more for sure, you know, 1:20:44.520 --> 1:20:45.439 and what connects? 1:20:45.479 --> 1:20:46.479 What is what connects? 1:20:47.040 --> 1:20:50.439 Right because we are multifaceted humans, absolutely right, So it's 1:20:50.880 --> 1:20:51.880 it's never one thing. 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:54.200 Yeah, but it can't be. I'm agatting. 1:20:54.240 --> 1:20:57.200 I'm definitely I'm going to transition into this and like 1:20:57.280 --> 1:21:01.320 you said, and this this TV and film, and I'm 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:02.719 probably not gonna touch the podcast. 1:21:02.800 --> 1:21:03.920 But but. 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:06.080 Yeah, man, like. 1:21:07.880 --> 1:21:11.120 These ideas up here, bro, if you decide to do nah, 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:12.880 I'm gonn let y'all. I' gonna let y'all had a 1:21:13.280 --> 1:21:17.360 because you got to think you never wanted like y'all 1:21:17.400 --> 1:21:21.080 got in. Y'all got in before it got too saturated. 1:21:21.280 --> 1:21:24.599 It's so funny, man, people say that for us maybe 1:21:24.680 --> 1:21:26.639 because I don't I don't know, I don't, I don't, 1:21:26.680 --> 1:21:27.080 I just I. 1:21:27.200 --> 1:21:29.400 Just look at it like it's a genius idea, so 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:29.880 thank you. 1:21:30.280 --> 1:21:34.440 But I look at it as fucking genius information, absolutely 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:37.600 right and I And I'm a person who has always 1:21:38.360 --> 1:21:41.479 had a want in thirst for information, right I always 1:21:41.520 --> 1:21:43.680 you know, I've been inquisitive since I was a kid. 1:21:43.800 --> 1:21:48.439 So I think when people have different takes on stuff, 1:21:49.120 --> 1:21:51.000 it can never be the same. Like, you know, because 1:21:51.000 --> 1:21:53.160 I've heard that a lot lately where people are like, man, 1:21:53.960 --> 1:21:56.040 you know, since R and B money now is R 1:21:56.080 --> 1:21:58.200 and B this and RB And I'm like, yeah, well 1:21:58.320 --> 1:21:59.360 that's good to me. 1:22:00.520 --> 1:22:01.760 Is but I'm gon tall. 1:22:01.800 --> 1:22:05.200 I'm gonna tall why I see different because just from 1:22:05.280 --> 1:22:09.840 seeing the repertoire people that y'all have had, new to 1:22:09.960 --> 1:22:12.559 old y'all, y'all are giving people a chance to catch 1:22:12.640 --> 1:22:14.880 up with folks, to see what's going on with them. 1:22:15.080 --> 1:22:19.120 Not no drama, shiit, not no no bullshit. It's just like, well, 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:22.000 folks just want to know, yes, what's going on, what's 1:22:22.040 --> 1:22:24.040 been going on, what you got going on, what you're 1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:27.160 about to do and some place. Some people try to 1:22:27.200 --> 1:22:29.960 do that with interviews, especially when like if A R 1:22:30.000 --> 1:22:32.519 and B d is on a just a random podcast, 1:22:32.520 --> 1:22:34.439 they're gonna try to do the same thing. But it's 1:22:34.560 --> 1:22:40.720 different because one, I'm getting a better understanding of just 1:22:40.960 --> 1:22:42.799 your R and B chops. 1:22:43.240 --> 1:22:43.920 You know what I'm saying. 1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:48.160 You know, I try not to be into me people business, whatever, 1:22:48.240 --> 1:22:50.960 but you know, I mean, I know, Tank, you know 1:22:51.000 --> 1:22:53.120 what I'm saying, Like, y'all are doing it justice because 1:22:53.200 --> 1:22:59.880 y'all actually have the no y'all know, agreed. 1:23:00.080 --> 1:23:01.400 Nobody in R and B come on here and telling 1:23:01.439 --> 1:23:05.400 y'all y'all wrong. I'm sure we've been wrong. They are. 1:23:05.439 --> 1:23:06.360 Some people think that we are. 1:23:07.280 --> 1:23:12.840 Listen, I'm humble enough, bro to know what I don't 1:23:12.880 --> 1:23:15.280 know and know that I don't know it all right, 1:23:15.439 --> 1:23:16.479 So but you know, R and B. 1:23:16.760 --> 1:23:21.799 I do know. I know, you know, we do consider 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:22.839 ourselves the authority. 1:23:23.080 --> 1:23:23.679 You know what I mean? 1:23:24.960 --> 1:23:27.479 You know, Bro, I just like I said, it's just 1:23:27.600 --> 1:23:30.559 been big for us to create this space for us 1:23:31.080 --> 1:23:33.000 for sure, because I don't want to say for you, 1:23:33.080 --> 1:23:33.320 I got. 1:23:33.320 --> 1:23:35.320 To talk right. I'm like, Bro, they're gonna get me 1:23:35.360 --> 1:23:35.880 on the joint. 1:23:35.920 --> 1:23:36.040 Bro. 1:23:36.400 --> 1:23:37.639 I was like, I was about to buy a flight 1:23:37.680 --> 1:23:38.880 and everything out there. 1:23:39.439 --> 1:23:42.600 I'm like, and I've told pieces of this story on 1:23:42.720 --> 1:23:44.679 different places at different times. 1:23:44.760 --> 1:23:47.600 Guess what, everybody's not gonna get seen? Like y'all. I 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:51.000 need this story to be told here. Yeah, yeah, you 1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:51.839 know what I'm saying. 1:23:51.600 --> 1:23:54.400 Because I know folks is checking for y'all, so now 1:23:54.560 --> 1:23:56.280 y'all can really get the story. And I was like, 1:23:56.360 --> 1:23:57.640 I'm not gonna say no names, none of. 1:23:57.640 --> 1:23:59.120 That, because but we're gonna get to that. 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:05.560 We can't no, no, no, but but yeah, you know, 1:24:05.720 --> 1:24:08.600 like I wasn't. I know, some people come on this 1:24:08.760 --> 1:24:11.240 to specifically try to be like no, it was. 1:24:11.320 --> 1:24:14.240 Damn and uttered men, like we tried to stay away 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:14.439 from that. 1:24:15.040 --> 1:24:15.200 You know. 1:24:15.320 --> 1:24:17.559 That's means, yeah, we try to stay away from that. Man. 1:24:17.600 --> 1:24:19.040 We you know, we want to we want to stick 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:23.320 to the journey and to you know, the flowers and 1:24:23.400 --> 1:24:27.679 the appreciation. This is. This is not an easy life 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:32.240 and career that we've all chosen. It's just not it's not, bro, 1:24:32.400 --> 1:24:34.479 but it but it is. But it it I don't 1:24:34.479 --> 1:24:35.919 know what else it's meaningful. 1:24:36.439 --> 1:24:39.360 It is. It's meaningful, Bro. What what you do means 1:24:39.400 --> 1:24:41.240 a lot? What did you what you do for people? 1:24:41.240 --> 1:24:46.200 When people get a chance to have the experience to 1:24:46.400 --> 1:24:48.840 see you, to hear it live to you know what 1:24:48.880 --> 1:24:52.800 I mean, Like, it's it's it's magic, you know, I 1:24:52.840 --> 1:24:53.479 said it all the time. 1:24:53.520 --> 1:24:55.040 I said, it's funny to you said that, because to 1:24:55.160 --> 1:24:59.920 this day, to this day, I'm still like, wow, I'm 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:02.479 never gotten to the point where I'm like, yeah, I 1:25:02.840 --> 1:25:09.640 mean you do me, but it's still especially for me 1:25:10.880 --> 1:25:13.280 and having things slow down or whatever whatever, like to 1:25:13.400 --> 1:25:14.439 see what the crowd be doing. 1:25:15.280 --> 1:25:17.800 Like yeah, yeah, I feel good. I'm glad. 1:25:17.960 --> 1:25:20.360 I'm glad you have embraced that, bro, because you know, 1:25:20.479 --> 1:25:22.120 I you know it just in us talking and just 1:25:22.320 --> 1:25:24.280 just knowing you. I know how you feel about fame 1:25:24.360 --> 1:25:26.080 and how the ship in the industry and all that, 1:25:26.200 --> 1:25:29.800 but like the really important. 1:25:29.360 --> 1:25:31.719 Thing, No, that feel good. The stage is my place. 1:25:32.160 --> 1:25:35.320 That's people. That's the one thing that's been keep me here. 1:25:35.920 --> 1:25:40.519 It's the stage. It's the stage, bro. Like stage is different. 1:25:42.360 --> 1:25:43.439 There can't no drug compete. 1:25:43.920 --> 1:25:47.439 Yeah, now this is a that light is different and 1:25:47.880 --> 1:25:48.679 no drug compete. 1:25:48.680 --> 1:25:48.800 Bro. 1:25:49.200 --> 1:25:52.439 Yeah, that that light and that that appreciation. What what 1:25:52.600 --> 1:26:03.920 the what the what the people do for us for me? Man? 1:26:04.000 --> 1:26:09.080 Even just getting it from walking through the airports somebody 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:10.000 they're like, hey, man. 1:26:10.200 --> 1:26:14.120 I'll be put it. No, No, what's funny is people 1:26:14.200 --> 1:26:15.160 you know, like I stopped. 1:26:15.760 --> 1:26:18.880 I hate pictures. Yeah, I hate pictures. I don't take 1:26:18.920 --> 1:26:21.519 pictures of myself with everybody. I will take a picture 1:26:21.560 --> 1:26:24.120 with everybody in just because. 1:26:23.800 --> 1:26:25.240 I always make people get in the picture. 1:26:25.320 --> 1:26:28.280 And I tell anyone of that story every time. I 1:26:28.400 --> 1:26:30.479 was at the mall one time with my friends. No, 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:33.880 this is jeez, jeez on, I'm in high school. 1:26:37.400 --> 1:26:37.880 That cheap. 1:26:38.520 --> 1:26:41.519 Yeah, bodyard taking pictures today? 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:45.120 That hurt? I tell him. I tell him this to 1:26:45.200 --> 1:26:45.519 this day. 1:26:45.600 --> 1:26:47.680 Yeah, that's it, hurt, bro, You can't be out. 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:50.320 It's crazy because g takes all the pictures, you know, now, 1:26:50.360 --> 1:26:57.160 I bet he do. But nah, but so and after 1:26:57.240 --> 1:26:58.800 every time, I'm telling them the story all time. But 1:27:00.200 --> 1:27:00.559 it just. 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:05.040 You can make a person day. Yeah, you could make 1:27:05.200 --> 1:27:08.080 day day. They might be about to go burn some 1:27:08.160 --> 1:27:10.880 ship down right right, you know what I mean. They 1:27:10.960 --> 1:27:14.160 might be about to do the worst man, And yeah. 1:27:14.000 --> 1:27:15.439 That for me, I make the day. Bro. 1:27:15.600 --> 1:27:17.160 I'm always just like they're like, oh, can I take 1:27:17.200 --> 1:27:18.840 a picture. I'm like, yeah, with me, come on, get in. 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:21.320 But I don't want nobody just doing this. 1:27:21.400 --> 1:27:23.040 Oh you don't want them doing that? No, no, no, no, no, 1:27:23.240 --> 1:27:23.760 you gotta get this. 1:27:24.640 --> 1:27:27.479 I just my face be the same in every picture. 1:27:27.520 --> 1:27:31.000 But but yeah, like not about to start going looking 1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:36.479 like this same a Medican. You're not gonna smile. You 1:27:36.600 --> 1:27:39.439 asked for the picture. Man smiled for him. 1:27:39.479 --> 1:27:42.200 Man, nobody change the day you just said that. Yeah 1:27:42.680 --> 1:27:46.479 the picture. See I'm halfing half you know. But you 1:27:46.840 --> 1:27:48.720 give them the step or no, no, never go give 1:27:48.760 --> 1:27:50.280 the steff face. Never to step on now. 1:27:50.320 --> 1:27:52.040 If you're disrespectful, you're not getting nothing. 1:27:52.280 --> 1:27:56.920 But but you know, I feel like we create the 1:27:57.200 --> 1:27:59.639 environment for sure. I don't think. I don't think artists 1:27:59.680 --> 1:28:01.040 sometimes look at it that way. 1:28:01.080 --> 1:28:04.599 But it's like if somebody, if you get funny style 1:28:04.680 --> 1:28:06.960 with him, it turns other than. 1:28:06.920 --> 1:28:09.880 When you're like, oh no, man, I've never seen nobody just. 1:28:09.920 --> 1:28:13.240 Go there yelling on folks. And I'm like, bro, yeah 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:14.600 it's straight, and look at me. 1:28:14.640 --> 1:28:15.519 What's wrong with your body? Guy? 1:28:15.520 --> 1:28:17.920 I'm like, man, I don't know what's wrong, but you 1:28:17.920 --> 1:28:19.679 gotta do it. He gotta do a job. You gotta 1:28:19.680 --> 1:28:24.160 do a job. Yeah, like sibiling mine, he's just he's 1:28:24.439 --> 1:28:28.439 no nonsense. Yeah, Tank security is no nonsense too. But 1:28:28.520 --> 1:28:32.840 I was I was like, I was like a couple 1:28:32.840 --> 1:28:36.240 of mo and then's lying all the way back there. Man, 1:28:36.439 --> 1:28:38.880 it's cool to let him do it, bro, It's part 1:28:38.920 --> 1:28:40.599 of the job. Let him do it, man, part of job. 1:28:40.720 --> 1:28:44.320 Okay, So you spoke on your artists, give us, give 1:28:44.400 --> 1:28:46.400 us a little more insight. Oh man, all right. 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:49.200 So Rico Anthony Man, he's from Oklahoma City. He like 1:28:49.240 --> 1:28:51.200 my brother, bro, like we call each other. 1:28:51.520 --> 1:28:52.559 Been rocking for a minute. 1:28:53.160 --> 1:28:55.280 Yeah, we been wrong for a minute. And so he 1:28:55.439 --> 1:28:57.280 was going through the same system that I went through 1:28:57.320 --> 1:29:02.000 with the same people. Okay, didn't work out because you know, 1:29:02.080 --> 1:29:04.680 people change, man, and people's focus as far as how 1:29:04.680 --> 1:29:05.880 they want to do business changes. 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:10.400 So he kind of got like stunned with that. So 1:29:10.520 --> 1:29:11.519 I was just like, Bro, I got you. 1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:15.320 You know what I'm saying, Like, it's one of those 1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:17.439 things for me, that's his that's his dream. 1:29:17.760 --> 1:29:19.600 Yeah, so that's he going to round. I got to 1:29:19.640 --> 1:29:21.639 help you when he can. You know what I'm saying. 1:29:21.680 --> 1:29:23.720 He drive tucks, you know what I'm saying, Like for 1:29:23.840 --> 1:29:25.280 his job and stuff. But you know what I'm saying, 1:29:26.000 --> 1:29:31.640 working working on getting to the big show. But he 1:29:31.760 --> 1:29:35.000 came in where things changed with a streaming streaming now 1:29:35.160 --> 1:29:38.240 and it's not so much labels anymore. So you know 1:29:38.280 --> 1:29:40.360 what I'm saying, we're working out those Kinks man. But 1:29:40.800 --> 1:29:42.479 other than that, man, he got he got some stuff. Man, 1:29:42.479 --> 1:29:43.320 he got some stuff coming. 1:29:43.360 --> 1:29:43.439 Bro. 1:29:43.560 --> 1:29:45.320 That you that you want to you want to share 1:29:45.360 --> 1:29:47.599 your life for sure? Absolutely. Yeah. 1:29:48.000 --> 1:29:49.760 Anytime he is with me and I'm on the road, 1:29:49.840 --> 1:29:51.960 shout out to Rico Anthem, come grab the mic. 1:29:52.040 --> 1:29:53.280 Yeah yeah yeah. 1:29:53.640 --> 1:29:55.639 So you have a certain record or anything that you're 1:29:56.400 --> 1:29:59.519 pushing for right now or a project coming, I. 1:29:59.560 --> 1:30:02.120 Mean here you know, oh yeah yeah, I mean it's 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:03.960 it ain't even titles yet, bro, We're just trying to 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.160 get the records done. You know, a lot of that 1:30:06.320 --> 1:30:09.240 finding a sound thing. It's different with sound changes. It's 1:30:09.240 --> 1:30:10.960 like I don't like that sound no more. So it's okay, 1:30:11.040 --> 1:30:15.040 well let's go this way or whatever. But no, it 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:18.080 just be just stay tuned, bro, go to my page. 1:30:18.120 --> 1:30:22.519 I I am R and b Rico. Yeah that's that's 1:30:22.600 --> 1:30:24.559 him man, and he do his thing. Man, he can sing. 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:27.479 Good dude on his death, you know what I mean, 1:30:27.680 --> 1:30:30.200 trying to could have been a part of a different life. 1:30:30.240 --> 1:30:31.639 Trying to keep him out of that life. 1:30:31.800 --> 1:30:36.120 Yeah, like free man, So it saved us this music. 1:30:36.320 --> 1:30:40.080 Yeah yeah, yeahs so you know what I mean, I know, 1:30:40.200 --> 1:30:41.360 God willing Man, it's gonna happen. 1:30:41.439 --> 1:30:44.080 So and you got you in a fashion now too well. 1:30:44.240 --> 1:30:47.479 So, so what I did was when I did the 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:50.840 Soul Trading Board pre show a couple of years ago. 1:30:51.640 --> 1:30:53.599 It's just like, bro, like we ain't been on shit 1:30:53.640 --> 1:30:55.760 in a minute. It's got me a statement whatever whatever whatever. 1:30:56.360 --> 1:30:58.439 Now you did your thing too, so appreciate it. 1:30:58.640 --> 1:31:01.640 So we just started making these I m R and 1:31:01.720 --> 1:31:05.479 B shirts And it's not like I'm I'm the genre, 1:31:06.360 --> 1:31:07.519 but it's but you're represented. 1:31:07.600 --> 1:31:10.200 Want to know what I do? Yeah, I m R 1:31:10.280 --> 1:31:11.640 and B. So that it's just I m R and 1:31:11.720 --> 1:31:15.559 B calling co but nothing, nothing, nothing major, just shirts, 1:31:16.120 --> 1:31:17.840 just shirts and so gotch bro, got you? Got you? 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:19.640 I feel like I'm on to you. 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:20.160 Are you know? 1:31:21.960 --> 1:31:22.800 The authority at you? 1:31:23.640 --> 1:31:26.240 But yeah, so you know, And it was more so 1:31:26.400 --> 1:31:29.800 started at something for me, just costume type ship, but 1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:34.000 people asking, Yeah, people be asking where can I get 1:31:34.000 --> 1:31:35.880 the shirt out of So then that's when we started 1:31:35.880 --> 1:31:37.839 trying to get into the mass producing. 1:31:38.400 --> 1:31:40.760 No, I love that, bro, I love that all right. 1:31:40.800 --> 1:31:42.280 Before I let you out of here, man, I gotta 1:31:42.560 --> 1:31:44.120 got some other ship to tanks for them all. 1:31:46.520 --> 1:31:53.479 Fuck them all, bro, man like his brother something that. 1:31:58.600 --> 1:32:08.960 Yes, that time, your top five, yeah five, your top 1:32:09.040 --> 1:32:15.600 fun what is want to be using us already songs? 1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:20.600 We've got to do one and know before you go 1:32:21.479 --> 1:32:22.000 there wrong. 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:22.879 This show. 1:32:24.720 --> 1:32:28.559 Something he should have never got with Jamie because Jamie 1:32:28.600 --> 1:32:29.519 made him into a mania. 1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:38.600 He said, I've never been around Jamie. Top five, I 1:32:38.680 --> 1:32:48.720 could see that or you top yo. Dave Chappelle needs 1:32:48.760 --> 1:32:51.519 to put this on the New Chappell Show. I mean 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:54.360 that would be great. That's the way that will be 1:32:54.479 --> 1:32:55.080 fuddy great. 1:32:55.240 --> 1:32:58.800 I will be fuddy oh so yeah, man, we're gonna 1:32:58.800 --> 1:33:02.680 get it to your time music five history and and 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:05.000 and uh and the things you love? 1:33:06.200 --> 1:33:09.920 Top five R and B singers and R and B songs. 1:33:10.800 --> 1:33:12.880 Let's start with the singers. Who are your top five singers? 1:33:12.880 --> 1:33:17.120 Brother, top five singers, I mean, of course Marmon Gay, 1:33:17.439 --> 1:33:21.759 but come on, Marvin Sam Donnie, Marvin sam Donnie. 1:33:21.840 --> 1:33:25.120 Yeah, that's my top three for sure, but two more 1:33:25.680 --> 1:33:28.840 to see. It's not fair because there's too many great ones. 1:33:28.920 --> 1:33:31.799 But it's your list, damn. All right. I mean obviously 1:33:31.880 --> 1:33:33.840 we know tail and sing We know you could sing 1:33:33.960 --> 1:33:37.160 Tank top five Yeah, Tank you for sure. 1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:42.439 Okay, okay, come out, because we're talking about how I 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:46.840 feel about their music or them singing. Are we talking 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:48.599 about sangers or just singers? 1:33:49.160 --> 1:33:50.760 It could be both. It's up to you. 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:54.040 Some people have chosen people who are like styling type 1:33:54.080 --> 1:33:56.679 of singers, or people chose people are like flat foot, 1:33:57.520 --> 1:33:58.240 blow you off. 1:33:58.160 --> 1:34:00.640 The water singers, or you know, I think it's just 1:34:00.760 --> 1:34:06.679 your favorite. Well okay, so yeah, Marvin, Sam Donnie for sure. Tank. 1:34:07.040 --> 1:34:09.599 I'm not just saying this because I'm on the on podcast, 1:34:09.720 --> 1:34:12.599 but Tank one of them official ones. And I mean, 1:34:12.640 --> 1:34:14.800 you want to say Luther, but it's like I wasn't 1:34:14.840 --> 1:34:16.840 really a I didn't really listen to Luther like that, 1:34:17.160 --> 1:34:17.599 you know what I mean. 1:34:17.960 --> 1:34:22.200 Luther had a different music for different people. Mama. I'm 1:34:22.360 --> 1:34:24.640 just said R Kelly bro cows. 1:34:28.080 --> 1:34:32.479 And when that's all, it's he's the best singer. I 1:34:32.560 --> 1:34:35.720 mean there's people that can that can blow pause, that 1:34:35.800 --> 1:34:40.599 can sing better than Kelly. But that's your top five 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:42.960 R and B bro like this influential. 1:34:43.960 --> 1:34:48.040 Yeah, okay, amazing, top fivey it's crazy, but yeah, top 1:34:48.120 --> 1:34:48.559 five R. 1:34:48.520 --> 1:34:50.200 And B songs songs. 1:34:50.479 --> 1:34:53.479 Man, Man, I don't think I can Okay, yes I do, Yes, 1:34:53.520 --> 1:34:56.599 I can read ready on d I ah. 1:34:58.240 --> 1:35:00.920 That song over of. 1:35:00.960 --> 1:35:04.880 Course, Donnie Uh, I can pick any of his songs, 1:35:04.960 --> 1:35:09.479 but a song for you, song for you, definitely, definitely favorite, 1:35:12.240 --> 1:35:14.920 long time coming. I think that's a lot of people's favorites. 1:35:15.479 --> 1:35:19.920 That's the same cluck. Obviously, that's four, that's three. 1:35:20.040 --> 1:35:20.400 That's three. 1:35:21.320 --> 1:35:24.720 Well I said, I said, ready for Love, A long 1:35:24.800 --> 1:35:26.560 time coming, A song for you for you? 1:35:28.000 --> 1:35:30.559 Yeah, those three. I love Marmon Gaye, but my favorite 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:33.360 song would be a song people don't really know. Then 1:35:33.520 --> 1:35:36.160 that's what we wanted. We want to know because it's yours. 1:35:36.479 --> 1:35:38.639 It's not nobody else's. Five is yours. 1:35:39.200 --> 1:35:42.400 And what I found is that when we when we 1:35:42.560 --> 1:35:45.720 find those album cuts and those you know, those B 1:35:45.920 --> 1:35:48.400 sides is what they call them at times, a lot 1:35:48.439 --> 1:35:49.599 of people go research them. 1:35:50.040 --> 1:35:51.600 So if you got you know, you got no. 1:35:51.720 --> 1:35:54.120 I will say, Marmin because this and this and love 1:35:54.160 --> 1:35:59.080 a live for sure, but what a bonus joint? A 1:35:59.160 --> 1:36:02.840 bonus joint, Lauren Hell X Factor brood that record. 1:36:03.280 --> 1:36:06.280 It's not bonus because that's fine, That's that's it. I 1:36:06.320 --> 1:36:09.040 feel like that was SI. That's fine, that's fine, that's fine, 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:14.240 good cool, that's fine. But yeah, man, no, you ain't done. 1:36:14.640 --> 1:36:17.880 I ain't no, because I got I got another schegmentment. 1:36:17.960 --> 1:36:21.240 We're doing worse now, I'm not trying to do that. 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:27.240 We're gonna build We're gonna build a vultron, an R 1:36:27.320 --> 1:36:31.760 and B vultron, the ultimate R and B singer where 1:36:31.760 --> 1:36:36.479 you give us the vocals, the performing style, the styling meaning, 1:36:36.560 --> 1:36:39.519 the drip, the flying this, and the passion of the artists, 1:36:40.360 --> 1:36:45.880 those four elements how many people it can be all 1:36:46.040 --> 1:36:48.320 one person if you feel like that, it's the ultimate artist. 1:36:48.520 --> 1:36:50.880 But it's four different We're building a mad artists are 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:55.840 female artist, it don't matter. We're we're we're are building. 1:36:57.479 --> 1:37:02.360 A massive superstar R and B artists with all the 1:37:02.479 --> 1:37:09.040 top of the top. So first, who gonna sing the songs? 1:37:09.040 --> 1:37:11.000 Who? That's crazy that my top five can't be part 1:37:11.040 --> 1:37:12.920 of that. They can't one of them. Know I'm saying no, 1:37:13.080 --> 1:37:17.800 they can't. Because when you're taking pieces of different people, 1:37:17.880 --> 1:37:20.759 that's the thing you take. Yeah, that's different. You're building 1:37:20.760 --> 1:37:24.320 a vote trunk. Oh man, Okay, pat at Tank he 1:37:24.400 --> 1:37:26.800 came up with this, Okay, Now it's cool. It's cool 1:37:26.840 --> 1:37:28.240 because he's not gonna be in the vote. 1:37:28.280 --> 1:37:28.479 Time. 1:37:29.120 --> 1:37:30.679 Who sanging? Who you're singer? 1:37:31.000 --> 1:37:31.120 Now? 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:33.759 You know what I'm gonna go there, Patty Gobell singing, 1:37:34.960 --> 1:37:37.400 Patty singer, Yeah, Patty singing. 1:37:37.560 --> 1:37:38.600 Okay, okay, but. 1:37:38.680 --> 1:37:42.840 That's I'm like, we got the Patty vocal performing style. 1:37:43.080 --> 1:37:49.719 Who's gonna kill the stage? Fantastic? Oh ship, Yeah, okay, 1:37:49.880 --> 1:37:55.439 I see what that's all like. This is all the drip. 1:37:55.680 --> 1:37:58.400 I'm gonna give him Brandy drip. I'm gona give him Brandy, Brandy, 1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:01.040 Brandy's dripping Brandy fly brand. 1:38:01.439 --> 1:38:03.679 Okay, okay, but I was about to rechurch to the singer, 1:38:03.720 --> 1:38:04.160 but I'm. 1:38:04.040 --> 1:38:12.320 Like an, Okay, who got the passion? 1:38:13.120 --> 1:38:17.599 Who who? Who's gonna make you feel it? That's gonna 1:38:17.640 --> 1:38:27.280 say me? But I can't because okay, man, no I here, yeah, yeah, yes, 1:38:28.240 --> 1:38:32.040 absolutely great double little votes. 1:38:32.280 --> 1:38:36.840 Right, you gave all male singers the top five singers, 1:38:36.880 --> 1:38:39.439 but then you've built a female vote tron. 1:38:40.479 --> 1:38:42.679 Well see this is the thing. I love it though, 1:38:42.880 --> 1:38:43.400 This is the thing. 1:38:44.080 --> 1:38:46.280 I don't know why people just like women winning now 1:38:46.320 --> 1:38:48.800 and no that women always been winning, been winning. Come on, 1:38:48.880 --> 1:38:52.719 bro always, They've always been the powerhouse of vocal place. 1:38:53.360 --> 1:38:57.760 I don't Yeah, yeah, like they they they can, but 1:38:57.840 --> 1:39:01.240 they just I think it's uh a little more lopsided 1:39:01.320 --> 1:39:04.439 now Yeah, for sure, it's it's absolutely you know what 1:39:04.479 --> 1:39:10.120 I mean, Niggas get their ask kicks because the niggas 1:39:10.120 --> 1:39:11.519 need to ask kick when it comes to R and B. 1:39:11.800 --> 1:39:15.000 The women is well, my biggest thing is because when 1:39:15.040 --> 1:39:18.439 all came out, I wanted to be the neighborhood, you 1:39:18.479 --> 1:39:20.640 know what I mean. So I wasn't really with the 1:39:20.720 --> 1:39:23.600 dress up and all that and dah dah. But I 1:39:23.760 --> 1:39:28.559 think now it's just becoming true. Like like I said, 1:39:28.640 --> 1:39:33.519 subject matter, women want to be loved on man, They want. 1:39:33.400 --> 1:39:34.960 To be loved bro for sure. 1:39:35.040 --> 1:39:36.840 So now you've got the women like all this mess 1:39:36.880 --> 1:39:41.560 the relationship. Fuck these niggas that are they quite killing it? 1:39:42.400 --> 1:39:53.400 That's fair killing it. That's fair. I got a random 1:39:53.479 --> 1:39:55.720 question for sure, and I don't know if it's sure 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:58.360 or not, but I'm asking you. I know you're East African. 1:39:58.760 --> 1:40:01.639 I'm not, so you're not I'm not. So that's a rumor. 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:06.840 It's a it's a well documented understood rumor. Because my 1:40:07.080 --> 1:40:11.680 my government name is is Now, which is basically it's 1:40:11.720 --> 1:40:15.720 a biblical name, but a lot of Ethiopians so you're 1:40:15.800 --> 1:40:18.439 not using No, I'm not. And because I have that 1:40:18.600 --> 1:40:21.639 name and I'm from d c That's why. That's why 1:40:22.560 --> 1:40:25.160 I'm like, I'm not. I get that all the time. 1:40:25.200 --> 1:40:34.519 They're like like not opp I'm not, And I'm like, 1:40:35.400 --> 1:40:40.200 what's crazy. I could have been a dighead and I 1:40:40.360 --> 1:40:42.000 never have to anybody. 1:40:42.960 --> 1:40:48.280 But that's crazy because I definitely it's not authentic. That's 1:40:48.320 --> 1:40:51.040 not so with your You just said it because I 1:40:51.120 --> 1:40:53.719 was won't lead to that. You said your your government. 1:40:54.040 --> 1:40:56.760 Yeah, where the hell does Jay Holliday come from? 1:40:57.640 --> 1:41:00.639 So the J stands for James. That was uncle James. 1:41:00.720 --> 1:41:03.040 He passed away when I was a kid. He was 1:41:03.040 --> 1:41:07.040 like everybody's favorite uncle. But Boe, we were just trying 1:41:07.040 --> 1:41:08.960 to figure our names, like nigga, we cannot call you now, 1:41:09.120 --> 1:41:12.960 so I mean we could have, but you know, you'd 1:41:12.960 --> 1:41:17.479 be trying to think it's something clever. And so the 1:41:17.600 --> 1:41:23.880 holiday came basically from when people we're just like trying 1:41:23.880 --> 1:41:27.559 to you know, whether it was marketing or or whoever, 1:41:28.000 --> 1:41:29.960 just anybody heard my voice just like, bro, I don't 1:41:29.960 --> 1:41:31.760 even have to explain it, just play it. 1:41:32.360 --> 1:41:36.719 I got this kid. So they felt like they weren't 1:41:36.720 --> 1:41:40.280 at work. Yeah, I felt like they was on holiday. 1:41:40.360 --> 1:41:42.720 So that's where that came from. 1:41:42.800 --> 1:41:44.400 And then you know, the day. It was just like 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:46.240 he died when I was so young. Man, he died 1:41:46.280 --> 1:41:49.439 from a dad. So he died in ninety one, you know, 1:41:49.680 --> 1:41:51.120 just trying to keep his memory life. 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:52.840 Yeah, that's dope, bro. 1:41:53.240 --> 1:41:56.559 Yeah, because it's funny because that literally makes our name 1:41:56.600 --> 1:41:57.439 the exact same. 1:41:58.800 --> 1:42:04.040 Aalentine is Outiday, right, we have the same name. We do. 1:42:04.680 --> 1:42:07.479 That's crazy nah, but yeah, man, So you know it 1:42:07.600 --> 1:42:10.200 was just because we and we went through other like 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:13.320 it was always holiday. But it was just like that 1:42:13.400 --> 1:42:16.320 don't make sense, but it had to mean something like 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:18.639 we're not just making up a name, bro, Like we're 1:42:18.640 --> 1:42:19.120 not gonna do that. 1:42:20.000 --> 1:42:21.920 So and this was when you became a solo artist, 1:42:22.200 --> 1:42:24.360 right when you're in a group. I'm not telling you. 1:42:27.640 --> 1:42:36.280 She got come on, bro, give me the explosive doctor, right, 1:42:36.400 --> 1:42:38.960 so massing flex when he dropped dropped the ball. 1:42:38.920 --> 1:42:43.439 Man so again, so again and this is another full 1:42:43.520 --> 1:42:46.200 circle moment. But like so, like I said, when I 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:50.360 was in the group, we we wanted to compete with 1:42:50.479 --> 1:42:51.519 the ship. 1:42:52.040 --> 1:42:55.479 You was like a fizzle. No, I was am with 1:42:55.560 --> 1:43:01.040 the A instead of oh that it's on me h. 1:43:01.600 --> 1:43:10.000 That us. So you're Maria Mari y'all you stupid, you're 1:43:10.200 --> 1:43:13.639 fucking no. But that was fucking great. 1:43:14.000 --> 1:43:16.760 But everybody so we didn't do it on purpose. We 1:43:16.880 --> 1:43:19.920 really didn't do it on purpose, but everybody in the 1:43:20.000 --> 1:43:22.840 group ended up having names that were like their common 1:43:22.920 --> 1:43:26.439 parts and B two k us. We had a we 1:43:26.520 --> 1:43:32.920 had to be red, We had a haze my face. 1:43:34.160 --> 1:43:41.040 Don't nah, you're not sending hit about this ship. Bro. Oh, 1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:43.960 this is fucking great. And what was the name of 1:43:44.040 --> 1:43:48.479 the group, bro, stupid as hell? No, but I'm playing, 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:48.800 I'm playing. 1:43:48.840 --> 1:43:48.880 No. 1:43:49.000 --> 1:43:51.200 It was two ninety five, the Highway back home. 1:43:52.400 --> 1:43:56.160 Okay, okay, okay, all right, So y'all was following suit 1:43:56.200 --> 1:43:58.519 in there, Okay, all right, but the B two k 1:43:59.600 --> 1:44:00.439 A they sent. 1:44:00.520 --> 1:44:04.200 Names they can't wow. But see in our mind because 1:44:04.200 --> 1:44:07.760 you got things, we were singers, right, we sang no. 1:44:08.560 --> 1:44:11.519 They can't with us. That's how y'all was puffing your 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:12.920 chest up very much, solf. 1:44:14.200 --> 1:44:16.680 So we couldn't dance like them. We could dance, but 1:44:16.760 --> 1:44:18.800 we wasn't doing that. We wasn't doing what they was doing. 1:44:19.520 --> 1:44:21.800 But yeah, that was that was our mindset. We're gonna 1:44:21.800 --> 1:44:23.519 come in, were gonna knock them out the box. 1:44:24.439 --> 1:44:33.240 And still there never happened. Never happened. Yeah, I'm so 1:44:33.479 --> 1:44:37.559 glad I asked that. This is damn I have dodged 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:41.519 that question for my entire career. This is ood, bro, 1:44:42.520 --> 1:44:44.759 all right, maybe before that's my playing. 1:44:45.760 --> 1:44:50.639 Okay, all right, it's not funny funny, I got, I got, 1:44:50.920 --> 1:44:52.360 I got one more segment, man. 1:44:52.880 --> 1:44:55.479 You know you might listen. You know, I got I 1:44:55.520 --> 1:44:57.200 got still in here. You might want to take a 1:44:57.200 --> 1:44:58.920 sip before we before we get to this one. 1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:02.920 Man, please, yeah, to give me a shot, because you 1:45:03.040 --> 1:45:06.720 know what, let me what we got for you's supposed. 1:45:06.400 --> 1:45:07.120 To be that funny bro. 1:45:08.280 --> 1:45:08.519 It was. 1:45:08.640 --> 1:45:13.519 It was good. We really, we really we didn't even 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:16.360 mean to do that. I don't even know why the 1:45:16.439 --> 1:45:18.800 fuck that I even name myself. This is great, bro. 1:45:19.120 --> 1:45:21.040 One I don't have Amari, didn't have ship to do 1:45:21.120 --> 1:45:26.360 it anything. Man, I never I never knew. I never 1:45:26.479 --> 1:45:30.800 knew you was about right, Broy. This is so, this 1:45:31.000 --> 1:45:33.519 is uh, this is still Jim, This is doctor Dre. 1:45:34.320 --> 1:45:35.200 This snoop Dog. 1:45:36.280 --> 1:45:39.920 Yeah yeah, I ain't a drink drinker, but no, don't. 1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:43.200 It's just a little dad for you, you know, give 1:45:43.240 --> 1:45:45.840 him on poor nigga. All right, all right, all right, 1:45:45.920 --> 1:45:48.439 all right, yeah man, it's smooth. 1:45:48.439 --> 1:45:54.960 I feel like, what's okay? So we got another another segment. Man, 1:45:55.160 --> 1:45:57.479 you said take the top. You can you can't because 1:45:57.479 --> 1:45:58.640 I feel like it's about to be some bulls. You 1:45:58.680 --> 1:46:02.320 can take you where while replace this this this amazing tune. 1:46:03.960 --> 1:46:09.559 Come on a saying no nick, saying no names, saying 1:46:09.640 --> 1:46:11.599 no names, saying no name? 1:46:14.880 --> 1:46:15.599 What you did? 1:46:16.280 --> 1:46:16.800 Don't say? 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:29.960 She ain't say no name? Damn? Something wrong with m man. 1:46:30.479 --> 1:46:32.280 So we had a very special part of the show. 1:46:33.160 --> 1:46:35.880 Will you tell us a no note? Go ahead? Now, 1:46:35.920 --> 1:46:37.719 go ahead, go ahead, tell the story. I take another 1:46:37.760 --> 1:46:40.760 ship a story. He tell us a story funny or 1:46:40.800 --> 1:46:45.639 fucked up or funny and fucked up. The only rule 1:46:45.760 --> 1:46:50.719 to the gay it's Jay Holiday. I can't say no names, 1:46:51.080 --> 1:46:54.160 but I can't tell that. Sorry, I mean you ain't 1:46:54.160 --> 1:46:55.479 say my name. I can't tell that story. 1:46:55.800 --> 1:47:00.720 Okay, okay, that would be one of them, Like, why 1:47:00.720 --> 1:47:01.599 would you tell that story? 1:47:02.320 --> 1:47:03.360 Why would you tell that story? 1:47:04.000 --> 1:47:04.160 You know? 1:47:04.400 --> 1:47:08.840 We don't we don't want I don't want, no problem. Shit, Okay, 1:47:08.960 --> 1:47:11.799 story time. Let me see funny. You're fucked up, funny 1:47:11.800 --> 1:47:14.599 and fucked up. This is actually fucked up. Okay. 1:47:14.680 --> 1:47:18.439 They shouldn't have done this, but so coming from the 1:47:18.479 --> 1:47:22.800 strip club, coming from that come over about two about 1:47:22.880 --> 1:47:24.639 two two o'clock, two thirty in the morning. 1:47:25.439 --> 1:47:27.880 So I don't know if you've. 1:47:27.760 --> 1:47:30.280 Ever been taught this, like with security guards and whatever whatever, 1:47:30.320 --> 1:47:32.439 but they're like at night, if you buy yourself, don't 1:47:32.439 --> 1:47:38.280 stop in no real lights. Okay, all right. So so 1:47:38.360 --> 1:47:41.120 I'm driving, I'm like, all right, I'm a little tipsy. 1:47:41.160 --> 1:47:43.560 So I'm like, the safest way for me would be 1:47:43.600 --> 1:47:45.840 p Stree. Ain't gonna be nothing on Peachtree, you know 1:47:45.880 --> 1:47:50.679 what I'm saying. I can just cruise whatever. So I'm driving, driving, driving, driving, driving. 1:47:50.840 --> 1:47:54.360 It's car in front of me, and you know how 1:47:54.400 --> 1:47:59.719 the light turning yellow. H so, you know, light turning yellow, 1:47:59.760 --> 1:48:02.320 car in front of me. I'm like, they're about to 1:48:02.320 --> 1:48:05.240 go through the light. My dumb ass, I should have 1:48:05.360 --> 1:48:07.400 went around them because I'm not supposed to be stopping 1:48:07.439 --> 1:48:10.639 that red lights mm hmm. But my ass like, I'm 1:48:10.640 --> 1:48:13.479 gonna let them go and just stop at okay. 1:48:13.600 --> 1:48:19.080 So I looked down. I hit the niggas, but it 1:48:19.160 --> 1:48:22.400 was like a my foot is on the break. 1:48:22.479 --> 1:48:27.040 But but the two in the morning crash feels like, yeah, 1:48:27.320 --> 1:48:31.840 a power nigga yeah, I'm wish. 1:48:32.320 --> 1:48:36.519 So yeah, So I mean, long story short about five niggas, 1:48:36.560 --> 1:48:39.519 get off the car. Young niggas though, these like what 1:48:39.680 --> 1:48:40.479 we call white hands. 1:48:40.520 --> 1:48:45.040 Now yeah, I'm like, oh no, I'm not about to 1:48:45.080 --> 1:48:47.400 have none of this conversation. Absolutely not. 1:48:50.400 --> 1:48:53.320 Hit the gas. I'm out of here. Absolutely them niggas 1:48:53.320 --> 1:48:54.880 don't want to exchange information. 1:48:56.160 --> 1:49:01.120 They want and I'm strapped in everything. But I'm like, nay, 1:49:02.200 --> 1:49:05.519 that doesn't end well. P street ball. So I'm like 1:49:05.640 --> 1:49:10.280 all right, and so they in Alexis, I'm in. I'm in. 1:49:12.760 --> 1:49:15.599 I'm in a Cadillact but like the uh the crossover 1:49:15.680 --> 1:49:20.920 turn oh this floating floating right, I'm like, I'm about 1:49:20.960 --> 1:49:21.840 to get them nigga. 1:49:23.080 --> 1:49:23.960 They on me. 1:49:25.479 --> 1:49:30.519 Oh so now I'm like, all, I gotta now what's crazy? 1:49:30.600 --> 1:49:31.720 Is I ended up coming this way? 1:49:32.760 --> 1:49:34.200 Well? Why am I telling this story? 1:49:36.040 --> 1:49:40.400 So I turned on tenth, I turned on tenth, I 1:49:40.520 --> 1:49:42.800 make a right on hour Meal and then I'm turning 1:49:42.920 --> 1:49:50.080 left on Chattahoochee. But I'm hitting me bones, I skirt back, 1:49:50.320 --> 1:50:00.560 pop my tire. Mind you, these niggas are still So 1:50:00.720 --> 1:50:03.160 I'm like, fuck now, I'm like, now I'm I'm you know, 1:50:03.400 --> 1:50:03.960 like you want it. 1:50:06.720 --> 1:50:07.800 Like rim type shit. 1:50:09.280 --> 1:50:10.720 So I'm like, fuck, this shit can't go to now 1:50:10.800 --> 1:50:13.800 the tires off. It's like a rim and a piece 1:50:13.840 --> 1:50:16.800 of rubber in the middle. So they capsuled to me, 1:50:16.880 --> 1:50:20.719 but they pulled past me. Dumb Susisien. This is crazy. 1:50:20.840 --> 1:50:24.400 I can't believe I did this. So they pulled past me. 1:50:24.479 --> 1:50:25.760 So now at this point, I'm like, fuck, I'm not 1:50:25.840 --> 1:50:29.040 to shoot. And he still ain't no conversation at this point, 1:50:30.400 --> 1:50:33.080 so but I didn't shoot. So they waited and they 1:50:33.160 --> 1:50:36.439 looking They're facing that way, and I'm like, but I 1:50:36.600 --> 1:50:41.160 know the area, So I'm like, you don't really know 1:50:41.240 --> 1:50:43.639 the area like that. But so there's a bank that's 1:50:43.680 --> 1:50:46.080 not too far from here on once you get back 1:50:46.120 --> 1:50:49.600 on the main road, and I basically just bucked the 1:50:49.720 --> 1:50:51.800 U turn and hit the side street. But I'm in 1:50:51.920 --> 1:50:54.759 the grass though, so I knock over a sign. 1:50:56.439 --> 1:50:57.400 It's not funny, man. 1:50:59.200 --> 1:51:02.200 So I knock over a sign because now they got 1:51:02.320 --> 1:51:05.240 to turn around. I buck, do you turn my lights off? 1:51:05.920 --> 1:51:07.880 I don't hit the sign because I like, I know 1:51:07.960 --> 1:51:10.760 exactly where I'm going. So I basically just drove to 1:51:10.880 --> 1:51:14.439 the studios that's at the next street up there, which 1:51:14.479 --> 1:51:16.479 is crazy. So I made it right right there. Call 1:51:16.600 --> 1:51:19.200 my girl and it's like, bro, you gotta come give me. 1:51:19.360 --> 1:51:22.600 I can't my tired flat. I ain't even feel like 1:51:22.600 --> 1:51:24.439 I was drunk. I ain't feel like changing spare none 1:51:24.479 --> 1:51:29.320 of that, but bro, it was so The funny part 1:51:29.360 --> 1:51:33.760 about the story that is funny is about two three 1:51:33.840 --> 1:51:37.920 weeks later, I'm at a show and my manager come 1:51:38.000 --> 1:51:39.360 up to me, and manager at the time, Corey, come 1:51:39.400 --> 1:51:42.760 up to me. It's like, you got an accident on 1:51:42.800 --> 1:51:46.519 P Street. I'm like, I don't fuck you know that 1:51:47.479 --> 1:51:49.160 his son go to school with the niggas I hit 1:51:51.400 --> 1:51:52.719 and they recognized who. 1:51:52.640 --> 1:51:59.000 I was, yo, dead ass, And I said, how do 1:51:59.280 --> 1:52:01.000 you know about that? You know? I was like, yeah, man, 1:52:01.040 --> 1:52:02.560 I hit these new niggas man, and I have to go. 1:52:03.080 --> 1:52:04.040 I have to get home. Bro. 1:52:04.520 --> 1:52:05.880 It was like, yeah, I think Jay Holli they hit 1:52:05.960 --> 1:52:06.439 me last week. 1:52:07.080 --> 1:52:08.600 It was one of it was one of it was 1:52:08.680 --> 1:52:11.320 one of them type yeah. Because so his son told 1:52:11.400 --> 1:52:14.160 him and he told me. I was like, so okay, no, no, 1:52:14.280 --> 1:52:16.679 and he was driving his mama car. That was even worse. 1:52:16.560 --> 1:52:19.840 Because here's the other part though, When you when you 1:52:20.040 --> 1:52:23.080 dipped out, you lost them. You end up losing them. 1:52:23.800 --> 1:52:24.000 Yeah. 1:52:24.280 --> 1:52:25.920 No, so once I bucked that, you turned to turn 1:52:25.920 --> 1:52:27.320 the lights off. They never called back up to me. 1:52:27.439 --> 1:52:29.800 Oh ship, but they like she handled it up. 1:52:30.360 --> 1:52:32.519 I didn't think they. I didn't think they because I 1:52:32.600 --> 1:52:35.880 never got off the car. So I'm like, how the 1:52:35.960 --> 1:52:40.120 fuck they even know it was me? Oh man, Okay, 1:52:40.160 --> 1:52:43.360 I got ghosts on the ass. Bro. Wow. Yeah, but 1:52:44.200 --> 1:52:46.799 it worked out. Though it worked out. No, that was horrible. 1:52:46.920 --> 1:52:49.720 Never never hit and run, bro, Yeah, don't do that, 1:52:50.680 --> 1:52:53.080 and a number of situations, but yeah, especially not in 1:52:53.120 --> 1:52:58.200 no vehicle. Yeah, that's not cool in the way. What's 1:52:58.280 --> 1:53:00.320 and what's funny is they wasn't even why you. They 1:53:00.400 --> 1:53:04.200 was in college, look right, they got all like a 1:53:04.280 --> 1:53:06.439 nigga hit there. Yeah yeah, you know what I mean. 1:53:06.520 --> 1:53:10.280 But nigga was three o'clock in the morning. I'm drunk, Yeah, yeah, 1:53:10.400 --> 1:53:13.000 all of it. I'm cool a bunch of gucci. Ship. 1:53:13.840 --> 1:53:14.720 I don't do that no more. 1:53:14.760 --> 1:53:14.920 Man. 1:53:15.240 --> 1:53:18.639 I'm glad you cash on me. Yeah, glad that's your past. Man. 1:53:19.000 --> 1:53:22.000 That ain't with you all no more. Nah, bro, Nah, 1:53:22.200 --> 1:53:25.800 Like you gotta be safe out here, bro, Yeah for sure, Bro, 1:53:26.560 --> 1:53:30.200 I appreciate you calling that. Man. This has been great. Yeah, 1:53:30.240 --> 1:53:32.720 it's cool. I knew Tank an't want to be here. No, No, 1:53:32.960 --> 1:53:35.040 it's fine. I knew he wasn't gonna be here when 1:53:35.040 --> 1:53:38.479 I showed up. I was just playing. Yeah, No, I'm 1:53:38.560 --> 1:53:40.439 just playing. Nah, man, I appreciate you all for having me. 1:53:40.520 --> 1:53:40.720 Man. 1:53:41.360 --> 1:53:43.800 Tank is filming Reasonable Doubt and nah, that's one of 1:53:43.800 --> 1:53:46.599 my favorite shows. Love it. I'm happy. I'm probably gonna 1:53:46.600 --> 1:53:48.240 stop watching it out of he on it. But damn 1:53:50.880 --> 1:53:51.840 he got to catch straight. 1:53:54.080 --> 1:53:56.479 No, it definitely is one of my favorite shows. Bro, 1:53:56.560 --> 1:53:58.880 It's an amazing show. So congratulations to him for that. 1:53:59.320 --> 1:54:00.880 I appreciate your fathering man. 1:54:01.000 --> 1:54:01.920 My brother, that's hurt. 1:54:02.840 --> 1:54:05.680 I'm Jay Valentine. This is the R and B Money Podcast. 1:54:05.760 --> 1:54:07.200 We live from Sessions, Atlanta. 1:54:08.280 --> 1:54:15.520 Jay Holliday, JA Valentine. What's up. I'm J Holliday, J Valentine. 1:54:16.200 --> 1:54:16.840 I see how