Speaker 1: Thinking Sideways. I don't know stories of things. We simply
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Speaker 1: the hard hitting podcast. It finds out stuff that nobody
Speaker 1: else can figure out. I'm Joe joined by Sorry, we
Speaker 1: went the opposite way. We gotta mix it up sometimes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't want people to think there's some particular order.
Speaker 1: I also realized that I literally cannot do the intros
Speaker 1: every single episode we have from the last month and
Speaker 1: a half. I'm just like Devin, I don't know what
Speaker 1: we're doing anymore. Who are we talking on? What's the
Speaker 1: name of our podcast? I don't know. This week we're
Speaker 1: solving get another mystery. And this is a fairly well
Speaker 1: known well but not as well known as some of
Speaker 1: the really well known. I didn't know about it. You
Speaker 1: didn't know about Did you know about it? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: had no idea how I found out about it or
Speaker 1: tell you the shoot, Yeah, I don't remember. But anyway,
Speaker 1: so somehow we got onet of this and it's kind
Speaker 1: of mysterious, and so we thought we'd solve it just
Speaker 1: so you know, all the next can can like move
Speaker 1: on with your lives. So yeah, and so yes that
Speaker 1: that doesn't fortunately involve somebody has done somebody dying. A
Speaker 1: lot of our mysteries seemed to involve people dying. Have
Speaker 1: you noticed that? Yeah? I have, Yeah, which is why
Speaker 1: I'm going to non death stories. Yeah, that's right, You're
Speaker 1: going to the positive uplifting you know. So that's that,
Speaker 1: you know, we go with that. I'm gonna stick with death.
Speaker 1: So this is a this is a case that's called
Speaker 1: yug cy fall and let me spell that at y
Speaker 1: O g apostrophe t z E see exactly. It kind
Speaker 1: of reminds you of that. So anyway, this happened back
Speaker 1: in in Germany. Uh, there's a guy named Stole who
Speaker 1: had a case of paranoia, a big old case of paranoia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of. So prior to his death, he would speak
Speaker 1: to his wife about them and he talked about them
Speaker 1: meaning people who intended to kill him. That. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: then he never said he was exactly they were, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they were apparently people out to get him. And what okay,
Speaker 1: and what was his profession again, he worked in the
Speaker 1: food industry. He was like a food technician or some
Speaker 1: sort of technic at the time and now he was
Speaker 1: unemployed at the time. Yeah, probably you know, and actually, seriously,
Speaker 1: if there are people out to get you, do you
Speaker 1: want to be working in any sort of factory where
Speaker 1: they could shove you into the machinery? Yeah, I know, seriously, Yeah,
Speaker 1: better to get a job at seven eleven like the
Speaker 1: night the graveyard shift a lot safer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, and I'm not sure nobody's ever actually interviewed
Speaker 1: his wife to find out how exactly hard was to
Speaker 1: live with this guy. You know, he's always raving on
Speaker 1: about them, but maybe they really were people out to
Speaker 1: get him, because actually, in the end he did die,
Speaker 1: so kind of mysteriously, yeah, kind of a little bit mysteriously. Yeah.
Speaker 1: October four, around eleven p m. He was at home
Speaker 1: with his wife and he mentioned them again and then
Speaker 1: suddenly shouts escape mir leiff so of course, which means
Speaker 1: now I've got it in German, of course. So and
Speaker 1: then he writes down six letters on a piece of
Speaker 1: paper and the letters are again y O, G apostrophe
Speaker 1: t Z and also said it's noted that the the
Speaker 1: third letter, the G, could also be a six, so
Speaker 1: there's a little bit of ambiguity. So he's got a
Speaker 1: little bit of sloppy handwriting. Yeah, so they think that
Speaker 1: the connection could be the horizontal bar on the G
Speaker 1: could have been meant to connect to to make a
Speaker 1: six instead of just floating there. Okay, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a little weird when I read that. At first. I
Speaker 1: was just trying to make sure people make their gs
Speaker 1: kind of the same way they make their they just
Speaker 1: like do a little down things, because I'm guessing he
Speaker 1: wrote to solving capitals, because that's the only way the
Speaker 1: G would become six is if it was a capital.
Speaker 1: But you know, somebody makes a G a six like this,
Speaker 1: or they make a G like that. I know that
Speaker 1: our listeners. It is drawing is you start at the top,
Speaker 1: you draw to the left and down in an arc,
Speaker 1: and then you come up to the mid, which is
Speaker 1: the only way I've ever seen kind of a J shape.
Speaker 1: And then you're saying they go to the left, a
Speaker 1: little back to the right and then down people those
Speaker 1: kind of cheese or like a six. Yeah, it could be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyway, you know it's probably a license plate number.
Speaker 1: It does kind of look like that. Yeah, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: so it's it's nobody knows what it means. Apparently, right
Speaker 1: after he wrote them, down, he crossed them out, so
Speaker 1: he didn't have it, or he did, but he wanted
Speaker 1: to make sure that nobody else could have it so
Speaker 1: they wouldn't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. He might
Speaker 1: have been working on some sort of word puzzle to
Speaker 1: don't know, so yabously, I don't know. So nobody's ever
Speaker 1: been able to decipher the meaning of these particular words.
Speaker 1: So anyway, right after that, he left the house and
Speaker 1: want to a pub in Villensdorf. Apparently it was his
Speaker 1: favorite drinking hole, and he ordered a beer and then
Speaker 1: he fell off his bar stool backwards and and hit
Speaker 1: his head. According to witnesses there, he lost consciousness briefly,
Speaker 1: and they also said that he wasn't drunk. Well, it
Speaker 1: was apparently his first beer the night that Apparently he
Speaker 1: didn't get to drink because he left right after that too,
Speaker 1: and and he was he was unconscious for a couple
Speaker 1: of moments. Yeah, yeah, he lost consciousness apparently, and then
Speaker 1: they let him get in his car and drive away. Yeah. Wait, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to I'm just trying to place this
Speaker 1: in my head. And I've seen people fall off chairs
Speaker 1: or fall off stools before and I'm trying to think, well,
Speaker 1: did he did he just pitch backwards and fall flat
Speaker 1: to the floor, or did he hit a table or
Speaker 1: a chair on his way down? We don't know that.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing the accounts are sketchy. Yeah, I mean he
Speaker 1: could have he could have fallen back. It was a
Speaker 1: bar full of people drinking. Yeah, I mean, you could
Speaker 1: have fallen straight over backwards or sort of to the
Speaker 1: sides and smacked his face and against the table or
Speaker 1: god knows what. But well, I was just thinking that
Speaker 1: falling flat, you're not going to hit your head as
Speaker 1: hard as if you hit a table or chair on
Speaker 1: the way down. If you think about, your body takes
Speaker 1: the inertia and then your head bounces off the ground
Speaker 1: if you fall flat. But if you fall and hit
Speaker 1: something on the way down, all that inertia is at
Speaker 1: that contact point that's going to hurt. Unless the reason
Speaker 1: he felt was that he became unconscious. Oh I hadn't
Speaker 1: consciousness prior and fell backwards because his body just went limp. Okay, No,
Speaker 1: that's that's a that's a great idea. Because I was
Speaker 1: just presuming that he was stone cold, sober and sitting
Speaker 1: up and for some reason lost his balance. But if
Speaker 1: he's oh, wow, no that I hadn't these guys, I'm
Speaker 1: suddenly interested in his story time. Okay, well follow us
Speaker 1: on follow us on Facebook. Just kidding. Uh, all right,
Speaker 1: so let's continue with the story here. So after he
Speaker 1: after he recovered his sense as he woke up, he
Speaker 1: left the pub apparently didn't drink his beer, uh, and
Speaker 1: drove away in his Volkswagen. And he showed up a
Speaker 1: few hours later in his childhood neighborhood, which is called
Speaker 1: Scott Higer's higer Zelbach. I think, um, do we know
Speaker 1: like where that was in relation to this bar that
Speaker 1: he was at, like if it was hours away or
Speaker 1: if he just disappeared for hours And it was about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes, so he was gone for he's gone for
Speaker 1: a couple of missing for a couple of hours. Ye, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe he went to other bars and fell off his bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and it might have been too. I mean,
Speaker 1: so he shows up in this at this woman's house
Speaker 1: in his childhood neighborhood, as I said of the unpronounceable name,
Speaker 1: and uh, he went to this house as this woman
Speaker 1: that he'd known from his childhood was by this time
Speaker 1: was a fairly elderly person. But you don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: she might have been the only one that came forward.
Speaker 1: Maybe you spent that whole two hours knocking on doors
Speaker 1: in other houses in the neighborhood. Well it's a it's
Speaker 1: a weird unaccounted time. Yeah, a couple of hours that
Speaker 1: he disappears, and if he just clocked his head, we
Speaker 1: know he could have just been driving around lost. And
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I should have asked this question earlier, to
Speaker 1: do we know how old he was? You know, I
Speaker 1: found a record of exactly how old he was. I
Speaker 1: had the impression that he was like in his mid thirties. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just you know, again, like a seventy year
Speaker 1: old guy passes out versus like a middle aged dude
Speaker 1: passes out. It's just a difference in my brain. Sorry, sorry,
Speaker 1: I ask all those questions. Yeah, so, anyway, we don't
Speaker 1: know what happened, what he was doing. He might have
Speaker 1: gone to other pubs and hung out. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: you want to saw a movie, but he goes to
Speaker 1: see this woman. He shows up at one am at
Speaker 1: this this old lady's doorstep. He'd known her since he
Speaker 1: was a kid, and uh, I wanted to talk to her,
Speaker 1: but she wouldn't let him in because of the late hour,
Speaker 1: and so she basically convinced him to go home to
Speaker 1: his wife. She probably thought he was drunk at one
Speaker 1: o'clock and randomly show up. It is a little random,
Speaker 1: and since it's gonna it's gonna make you feel a little,
Speaker 1: you know, a little weird, a little a little weird creepy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: before he left, he said that he told her that
Speaker 1: a horrible incident was going to have was going to
Speaker 1: take place sometime soon. I didn't say what I know.
Speaker 1: A couple of hours go by, a couple more missing hours.
Speaker 1: We don't know where the hell he was. He shows
Speaker 1: up this time, he's about a hundred kilometers from his
Speaker 1: last location. Um. Two truck drivers were driving down the Autobon.
Speaker 1: They discover a Volkswagen Golf crashed in the ditch next
Speaker 1: to the Autobahn, and both of them testified to having
Speaker 1: seen a person in a lightly colored jacket walking near
Speaker 1: the car, independently of each other, right on their own.
Speaker 1: They weren't questioned together. Um this I don't know all
Speaker 1: I heard it say that, they testified, Oh, I thought
Speaker 1: I read the it was independent accounts. Both of them said, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I saw somebody in a light colored jacket, and the
Speaker 1: other person said, oh, yeah, I know I saw somebody,
Speaker 1: any person a colored jacket. Okay, A coherent sentence, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that cohering. Now, yeah, you might be right. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't remember that. But you know, when we're researching
Speaker 1: these things, we went up reading a whole lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: and sometimes yeah, I thought it was independently of each other,
Speaker 1: which is, of course Len's more credence. Yeah, it definitely does. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyways, I see this person in a in a
Speaker 1: lightly colored jacket. They run to the nearest they had,
Speaker 1: you know, those emergency phones by the highway, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: the ages where I was born. Yeah, obviously not too necessary.
Speaker 1: Now that they run to that, they call law enforcement,
Speaker 1: and then they go to the car and there they
Speaker 1: find gunther Stole naked in the passenger's seat of his car. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was barely conscious. He said that there have been
Speaker 1: four guys and with him in the car, and those
Speaker 1: guys had quote beat him loose unquote. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: what that means. I believe that probably means they beat
Speaker 1: the holy out of it. Yeah, sounds like that's that's
Speaker 1: the only way I can interpret that phrase. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so another but I read the accounts to that
Speaker 1: say that he didn't say that. He just said that
Speaker 1: there were four guys and then they had all taken off.
Speaker 1: You know, there's two there's two versions of that. So
Speaker 1: beat him looses and shook him loose and left him behind, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just take that could be another interpretation of beat
Speaker 1: him looses, you know, they shook him loose and ran
Speaker 1: away without him, could be okay, yeah, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to trying to understand what this phrase could mean.
Speaker 1: I guess it could also just be like weird translation, right,
Speaker 1: English is kind of a weird and that that was
Speaker 1: my I just got to say this. I know this
Speaker 1: is a little late in the episode to say this,
Speaker 1: but that was probably the hardest part about reading this
Speaker 1: or researching this, is that the majority articles are in German,
Speaker 1: and so when you're reading them translated, they don't come
Speaker 1: true exceptionally well every time. So it makes it you
Speaker 1: question what you're reading, not for the validity of it,
Speaker 1: but for the correct word usage in it. Well, it's
Speaker 1: just hard. I mean, you know, English is kind of
Speaker 1: complicated language some of us know. So you know, people
Speaker 1: who are not native speakers or translation software often use
Speaker 1: words in a kind of weird way that we wouldn't recognize.
Speaker 1: For yeah, yeah, really, every yeah, every language has a
Speaker 1: lot of euphemisms, and we use them all the time
Speaker 1: without even realizing that literally what we're saying doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Literally literally all the time. I mean, like, beat the bush,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm going to beat the bush looking for
Speaker 1: my cat. You know, it's like, what the hell does
Speaker 1: that mean? What is the bush to your cat? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so beat them loose could mean There's a number of
Speaker 1: ways that could go just from this the way it's written,
Speaker 1: let alone what it could have aten. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: of course you know again this is like you know,
Speaker 1: been all over the internet, has been told, we told
Speaker 1: cut and pasted and distorted, and so who knows. But
Speaker 1: there were four guys. The drivers asked into if those
Speaker 1: men were her what his friends, and he said no,
Speaker 1: And the ambulance showed up carted him away, but he
Speaker 1: died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was pretty severely injured. Oh yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: And it turns out, guess how he got injured. He
Speaker 1: got they got run over by a car. He was
Speaker 1: run over by car. He wasn't in a car accident.
Speaker 1: He was run over by a car. Yeah, he was
Speaker 1: run over by a car. So the police, uh, they
Speaker 1: investigated in the forensic examination of his body showed that
Speaker 1: he had been run over by a car or a
Speaker 1: truck or something. But he'd been actually run over or
Speaker 1: hit by a car, and he was injured. They concluded
Speaker 1: he had been injured before the crash. They hypothesized, because
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how they could have known this
Speaker 1: for a certainty, but the hypothesized that he must have
Speaker 1: been run down elsewhere and then put back in his
Speaker 1: car in the past in your seat, and then somebody
Speaker 1: drove him to that location. I guess you could you
Speaker 1: could know by the what his injuries were. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, there are injuries you get by being in
Speaker 1: the passenger seat of a car when it is in
Speaker 1: a crash. Things you're gonna happen, yeah, versus like getting
Speaker 1: hit by a car. There are other injuries, and then
Speaker 1: you know the you know other things like if you
Speaker 1: can you can tell if somebody's got a broken bone,
Speaker 1: and they've been moved since that. You know, if that
Speaker 1: bone broke that way and that's fine, or that broke
Speaker 1: that way, and then they've moved that verson a bunch
Speaker 1: of times in the way that blood settle things like that.
Speaker 1: There's lots of things, So you know, I believe them
Speaker 1: that they you know, that he got hit and was
Speaker 1: then put in and then put in the car. He
Speaker 1: got hit over and then put in the car. That's weird.
Speaker 1: And then the car was crashed in a ditch, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: the car was crashed in the ditch. So yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's kind of mysterious. And then there was a part
Speaker 1: that I mentioned he was naked when they found him.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this this is the odd bit. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so he was naked. They concluded that he was naked
Speaker 1: when he got run over by the car, so he
Speaker 1: wasn't strip naked afterwards for like evidence reasons. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was naked before. He was enjoying the night. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: was going on a little froll like and it was
Speaker 1: it was October, yeah, October right now, okay, yeah, so well,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's kind of weird, but maybe he
Speaker 1: liked driving around naked. Who knows there are folks to
Speaker 1: do that. Yes, that's probably true. Yeah. So as far
Speaker 1: as the police investigation went, they they didn't really turn
Speaker 1: up much else. So they managed to find some drivers
Speaker 1: who have been going down that particular stretch of the
Speaker 1: Audubon around that time of night, and a few of
Speaker 1: them apparently reported seeing a hitchhiker pretty close to that
Speaker 1: spot where he was found or after. They don't know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it could have been after, it
Speaker 1: could have been before. Yeah, but they saw hitchhiker hanging
Speaker 1: out down there. But the hitchhiker and the guy in
Speaker 1: the light jacket were never identified, and so it's one
Speaker 1: of them cold cases, which you know, the world is
Speaker 1: called upon team sideways to solve Team sideways. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you guys have any theories. Oh man, there's so many
Speaker 1: weird things in this. We'll go go ahead and run.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of possible thoughts on this, but
Speaker 1: let's let's hear what you I mean. It kind of
Speaker 1: feels like he was suffering a psychotic break of some kind, right,
Speaker 1: you know, could it was kind of an extended psychotic break,
Speaker 1: but perhaps he lost consciousness and suffered a concussion when
Speaker 1: he you know, fell over backwards. He was already in
Speaker 1: a paranoid kind of state. He drove around. He's got
Speaker 1: these lost hours. But you know, it's totally possible that
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess in my world in like
Speaker 1: TV land, right, the way that this went down is
Speaker 1: he was suffering this psychotic break. He went to see
Speaker 1: his old friend. He said, something horrible is going to happen.
Speaker 1: He started to drive home, pulled over and was like, no,
Speaker 1: I can't drive home. For whatever reason, Strip Naked was
Speaker 1: walking down the highway, maybe got hit by a drunk
Speaker 1: driver or you know, a group of kids or whatever.
Speaker 1: So they were like, oh crap, we gotta get him someplace.
Speaker 1: They load him into his car, start driving him, but
Speaker 1: they're drunk, so they run off the road again and
Speaker 1: then bail because why would you stick around for that,
Speaker 1: you know, But there are just so many different you know.
Speaker 1: On the other hand, like maybe the men in black
Speaker 1: came to assassinate him or whatever Germany's equivalent of that is.
Speaker 1: You know, he did a little prominence that something awful
Speaker 1: was going to happen, but I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was to him or else. Wise, that's also kind of
Speaker 1: a self fulfilling prophecy. Oh absolutely it is. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you say something something bad gonna happen, you start making
Speaker 1: bad decisions. Yeah, like walking naked down the Audubon. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's an interesting choice to make. Yeah, he uh. And
Speaker 1: by the way, if you're gonna if you get a
Speaker 1: murder a guy and fake a fake sort of a
Speaker 1: car accident and stripping him naked and put him in
Speaker 1: the past in your seat, doesn't strike me as a
Speaker 1: very effective way to do it. So no, but if
Speaker 1: you like had your DNA all over his clothes, I mean,
Speaker 1: but the thing that, I don't know how they determined
Speaker 1: that he was naked when he got hit. They probably
Speaker 1: skid marks on his skin. I don't know, marks car
Speaker 1: tires make pretty definitive marks on on the human body.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot of weight to rule. Although
Speaker 1: I guess it just seems like that's the sort of
Speaker 1: thing that can happen through clothes just as easily as
Speaker 1: it can on skin. Oh yeah, you know, so I
Speaker 1: don't know how they could determine that it was, you know,
Speaker 1: naked versus not. But fine, But like, why do you
Speaker 1: how do you convince a man to strict do you say, Oh,
Speaker 1: if you're a hot chick, it's pretty easy. So here's
Speaker 1: here's my question. I know we're in any of the reading.
Speaker 1: Did I come across anything that said if they checked
Speaker 1: his blood alcohol? Did you? Did either of you see
Speaker 1: about that? Okay? So the way I'm looking at this,
Speaker 1: he fell off his bar stool and he clocked his
Speaker 1: noggin somehow, so he's in an altered state, and he
Speaker 1: disappears for a couple of hours, and then he shows
Speaker 1: up to this lady's house, and he disappears for a
Speaker 1: couple of hours later till they find him. I have
Speaker 1: known people who have banged their head and then decided
Speaker 1: in an altered state that they need to go get
Speaker 1: a drink, and then of course they do some weird
Speaker 1: stuff because they're not in irrational frame of mind. So
Speaker 1: I could just see this guy kind of loopy go
Speaker 1: into a different place than getting another beer and getting
Speaker 1: pretty toasted and then going to see this lady. She
Speaker 1: doesn't say if he seemed to intoxicated or not from
Speaker 1: the account, no mention of this. Okay, So let's just
Speaker 1: say that he was a little buzzed. He sees her. Okay,
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of here. Where should I go? Oh, well,
Speaker 1: I'll go to this place down the street. And he
Speaker 1: gets another couple of beers. He meets a couple of guys.
Speaker 1: They're all having a good time. Closing time comes around,
Speaker 1: they've got to go, and he's like, I've got a car,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. And they're goofing around, and let's
Speaker 1: say that. He's like, oh, you don't be hilarious. Is
Speaker 1: if I did this? And I'm just gonna shut my
Speaker 1: clothes off, And then, you know, gets hit by a car.
Speaker 1: And then we fall back into line with what Devil
Speaker 1: was saying, is that he gets hit by the car.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, uh, crap, we gotta get this guy
Speaker 1: at the hospital. Put him in the car. Guy who's
Speaker 1: driving a little loaded rex the car and they all go, um,
Speaker 1: not being here, not it, I'm out of here, you
Speaker 1: tell uh. And the guy who's in the light jacket
Speaker 1: one around. He's the last one left, the guilty party
Speaker 1: who has to explain what's happening, and then he chickens
Speaker 1: out and beats feet. I guess you know the other
Speaker 1: thing I could see happening, which I think I read
Speaker 1: a theory of in the reading somewhere is that stroll
Speaker 1: Stole crashes his car and in this alterative mind is like, wow,
Speaker 1: I gotta take all my clothes off for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: wanders out to Audubon, gets hit by, checking himself for
Speaker 1: injuries or something you know, says okay, and it's like
Speaker 1: going out there for help, right, you know, tries to
Speaker 1: flag a car down. He's drunk or concussed or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know, gets hit by car. It's cold. He says, hey,
Speaker 1: take me back to my car, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll give you back your car and we'll go call somebody.
Speaker 1: That the light color jacket guy takes him back to
Speaker 1: his car. The only problem I have with that is
Speaker 1: they don't mention if they found his clothes or not
Speaker 1: would have been around there. Again, they not to sue
Speaker 1: the original police filey times I said that, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: theory is that the hitchhiker and the mystery guy in
Speaker 1: the light color jacket are the same person. That's actually
Speaker 1: my theory. So maybe he was after hitchhacking and he
Speaker 1: sees good there comes speeding down the auto bon and
Speaker 1: then wreck his car, dumping into the ditch and he
Speaker 1: goes over there to help out, and before he actually
Speaker 1: gets to the car, stole access the car, either naked
Speaker 1: or clothes and any strips, runs to the auto bon
Speaker 1: to get help to fly get to fly down a
Speaker 1: car and gets run over. The hitchhacker at this point
Speaker 1: goes over to Stall and says, Oh my god, what
Speaker 1: can I do to help you? And Stall, who's laying
Speaker 1: on the freezing cold ground because it's late October and
Speaker 1: he's naked, says, could you please like put me in
Speaker 1: my car so I'm not freezing, so I'm not sticking
Speaker 1: to the ground. I mean, I guess the other thing,
Speaker 1: right is that Like so at this point, I know
Speaker 1: in Chicago or in Illinois they still have the like
Speaker 1: emergency phones, and I think in seven Oregon they still
Speaker 1: do a lot more world places they do, they're everyone
Speaker 1: like five miles or something like that. Right, So, like
Speaker 1: if he were right in the middle, this dude in
Speaker 1: the lightholor jacket could have been, you know, going back
Speaker 1: to the one that was more south and the truck
Speaker 1: drivers went to the north one, and he just was like,
Speaker 1: all right, well there's there's truck drivers over there. There'll
Speaker 1: they'll take care of it. I might be implicated for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. I might have a criminal history. Maybe didn't
Speaker 1: want to have a conversation with the police, ye to leave,
Speaker 1: you know, So I guess I can see that he
Speaker 1: stole his clothes at the same time. Maybe he was
Speaker 1: you know, like colored jacket was. I guess it's also possible.
Speaker 1: The other thing I was thinking is that it is
Speaker 1: the eighties and this woman was an older woman that
Speaker 1: he went to visit, right, Maybe she was ashamed to
Speaker 1: mention that he was coming on to her. Maybe he was.
Speaker 1: Maybe he was naked when he showed him at her house.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you would think that. But okay, So
Speaker 1: if she's an older lady, right, and it's the eighties,
Speaker 1: so she would have been, you know, growing up in
Speaker 1: like another and if she had known him growing up,
Speaker 1: she wouldn't necessarily want to harm his reputation. She could
Speaker 1: have said that him. You know, I didn't let him
Speaker 1: in the house. Why didn't you let him in the house,
Speaker 1: like you knew him growing up and he was clearly
Speaker 1: in distress. Why didn't you let him in the house
Speaker 1: because he was naked? Oh? Okay, that makes more sense.
Speaker 1: But do you say that. Do you say, oh, it
Speaker 1: was late, so I didn't let him in the house.
Speaker 1: Just go home to his wife. Okay, let's let's stop
Speaker 1: for a second. We've all known someone that we were
Speaker 1: interested in dating or having some kind of relationship with,
Speaker 1: and you go to their door and you're going to
Speaker 1: knock on their door and it's utterly nerve racking when
Speaker 1: they're not expecting you. Now take your clothes off, and
Speaker 1: her drunk and you have a concussion. And this woman
Speaker 1: was like your eighteen year old babysitter when you were
Speaker 1: like eight cush right, and she was your crush from
Speaker 1: forever your brain. This is how you show it. You
Speaker 1: do the naked Man. That works every time. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: works every time. Wait what works? It works three out
Speaker 1: of four times. What does the naked man at a
Speaker 1: TV show reference? It's fine, let's talk about it later.
Speaker 1: Seeing I'll teach you about the Naked Man. You hear
Speaker 1: about the Naked Man, Yeah, that reminds me about I
Speaker 1: had this idea for a superhero. It's called Naked Man. Now,
Speaker 1: he shows up in the crime scene and he goes
Speaker 1: to close with the criminal, you know, like like Batman would,
Speaker 1: and the criminal just like drop. Somebody says no, no, dude,
Speaker 1: it's okay. I'll go peacefully. Then naked man, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: stay back, I give up. It's okay, I did and
Speaker 1: I did it okay, yeah boy were yeah okay. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's so that that sums up my theories. Anyway, So
Speaker 1: the hitchhiker puts him in the car, and then the
Speaker 1: truck tucker show up, and the checker who doesn't want
Speaker 1: to talk to the police figure as well, my job's done,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat feet out of here. So it could
Speaker 1: all behem beat feet. Yeah. Once again, we've dropped so
Speaker 1: many in this episode. When this gets translated to German,
Speaker 1: it is going to be so unintelligible right now, I
Speaker 1: know we're going to frustrate a lot of German speakers.
Speaker 1: I have a friend who's a linguistics major, and she
Speaker 1: very free. She works in the business world, and she
Speaker 1: just texted me almost daily about like really like we're
Speaker 1: using the term ramp up to talk about this, you know,
Speaker 1: like all the euphemisms that happen in the business world,
Speaker 1: but also just like in English in general. You know,
Speaker 1: she's fluent in five different languages and you know, English
Speaker 1: is the one that does it the most. We use
Speaker 1: these weird terms for stuff. That's just like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: if you aren't native, that's fine, but it's not even
Speaker 1: if you're not native, right, it's like if you're born
Speaker 1: in the wrong area. Like, you know, Southerners use words
Speaker 1: that we're just like, I don't know what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: East Coasters, Midwestern you know, we use words like a
Speaker 1: lot of English speakers in this world have no idea English,
Speaker 1: like British English speakers to go on a tangent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's very tangential, but it's true. That's okay. So
Speaker 1: we'll just edit you out later. Actually, perfect, you edit
Speaker 1: me out all the time. I guess it's time to
Speaker 1: tell you this. Yeah, we've edited you completely out of
Speaker 1: every episode. Really, yeah, pretty much, I'm not part of
Speaker 1: this show. We'll just have you on the show because
Speaker 1: you always bring beer. Man. Yeah, I knew you guys
Speaker 1: are using me. Oh yeah, sorry about that, but keep
Speaker 1: bringing the beer. Uh. So, anyway, you guys have any
Speaker 1: more theories, black holes, I don't the missing time. The
Speaker 1: one thing that sticks in my craw again, the sticks
Speaker 1: in my crowd about The whole thing is just these
Speaker 1: weird lapses where he's unaccounted for for several hours at
Speaker 1: a time. Tunny, it's a half hour where you don't
Speaker 1: know where somebody is, is you're kind of plotting their day,
Speaker 1: that's still big deal. But when it becomes hours and
Speaker 1: he's in a relatively small area really really makes me
Speaker 1: wonder what he was doing. Yeah, well, we could have
Speaker 1: been doing anything. He could have He could have gotten
Speaker 1: to a movie. It could have gone to a porno shop.
Speaker 1: I mean, you could have set in his car video,
Speaker 1: gone for a drive. I go. But I will say
Speaker 1: that you know, as a ufologististufologists No, I mean you
Speaker 1: know that we are a little bit that is that
Speaker 1: is not in the lexicon. It is now you're welcome. No,
Speaker 1: I mean one of the one of the things that
Speaker 1: people talk about with alien abductions is lost time. Four time, um,
Speaker 1: and but that that's nine times out of ten that's
Speaker 1: somebody reporting like I don't know. I was looking at
Speaker 1: the clock and then suddenly it was four hours later
Speaker 1: and I don't know where that time went. It's not
Speaker 1: happen all the time. Hey, a drunk person like I
Speaker 1: was unaccounted for for a couple of hours and then
Speaker 1: he died. You know, it's it's much harder to kind
Speaker 1: of figure out what's going on with this sort of thing.
Speaker 1: And I guess, you know, the only thing that would
Speaker 1: keep me from saying that it was something really malicious
Speaker 1: is that he was apparently cognizant enough to say, there
Speaker 1: were four other people with me and no, we're not
Speaker 1: my friends. But if if it was something malicious, right,
Speaker 1: you kind of feel like he would have said he
Speaker 1: was definitely in the state of mind to have said, uh, no,
Speaker 1: they were trying to kill me, you know, I was,
Speaker 1: you know, something like that. Yeah, I don't know, No,
Speaker 1: I um, you know, I really don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: because I mean, on the one hand, it's so as
Speaker 1: they strip him naked, push him out in front of
Speaker 1: the car, scrape him up off the pave, and put
Speaker 1: him back in the car, ticket somewhere else, and then
Speaker 1: deliberately crashed the card. And the only thing would be
Speaker 1: is that then they would have if they were trying
Speaker 1: to make it look like he crashed his car and
Speaker 1: that's how he died. Yeah, they would have drug him
Speaker 1: into the driver's seat exactly, unless the truck showed up
Speaker 1: and they couldn't finish. The white jacket guy or light
Speaker 1: jacket guy was meant to drag him over. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: you know, it could be that, you know, like your
Speaker 1: your theory that he went to a bar and met
Speaker 1: some guys you know, and he was giving him a
Speaker 1: ride home and then crashed, you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: and maybe they're maybe they're a little angry with him,
Speaker 1: so they strip him naked and shove him out in
Speaker 1: front of a car, you know, and then grab him
Speaker 1: put him back in the car. Well that we are
Speaker 1: so far down the rest. Yeah, this is one of
Speaker 1: those ones where there's it's just like a wide open
Speaker 1: rob you can. We can sit here and theorize you
Speaker 1: could just and just keep going forever. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think I really do feel like it's more likely that
Speaker 1: he for whatever reason, he was naked and definitely was drunk.
Speaker 1: You know, people are more likely to do things like
Speaker 1: getting naked when they're drunk. I don't know why. Yeah, yeah, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe he really did wreck the car, really
Speaker 1: was out trying to flag down a car, forgot that
Speaker 1: he was naked, and and somebody just didn't see him
Speaker 1: and ran them over. And then somebody came along and
Speaker 1: helped put him in his car so he wouldn't freeze,
Speaker 1: and then left, you know, something like that. It's not
Speaker 1: necessarily a supernatural or I guess my you know, to
Speaker 1: go on that right, I'm going to say he drove
Speaker 1: his car into a ditch for whatever reason. Strip naked
Speaker 1: was you know, flagging down. A car got hit. This
Speaker 1: hitchhiker saw it happen, goes running to help him. Jack's
Speaker 1: clothes because you know, for he's unconscious, because you know,
Speaker 1: for whatever, for whatever reason. I mean, like people still
Speaker 1: close all the time. If there's are you gonna still
Speaker 1: bloody torn up? Are you talking about Jack the clothes
Speaker 1: that were already taken off of his body. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he was before he goes and he's like, well
Speaker 1: there's you know, he tries to help him. He's going
Speaker 1: to a different one. He sees the truck driver's pull
Speaker 1: up and he's like, you know what, they'll take care
Speaker 1: of it. They're great people. I'm gonna go you know,
Speaker 1: he's the lamb or whatever. Yeah, that's possible, and it it
Speaker 1: is possibly jacked his clothes, although again the information is
Speaker 1: sketchy and his clothes might have been in the back
Speaker 1: seat of the car and it just wasn't reporting. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. So if anybody out there knows,
Speaker 1: if you're the guy in the light colored jacket, please
Speaker 1: contact us. Ostensibly totally still alive, Yeah, totally, it's not
Speaker 1: that long ago. If you're the person in the if
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Speaker 1: go to pesci old iTunes for some reason or another
Speaker 1: boycotting them or something. Well, and we'll have the links
Speaker 1: on the website of course, so that's one of the
Speaker 1: benefits too. You'll have some cool probably in English, no,
Speaker 1: we'll do you one in German, just to see what
Speaker 1: people are running. Yeah, you know, for our German listeners.
Speaker 1: Do we have any email? We do, Actually we've got
Speaker 1: a lot of email. Do you have any email we
Speaker 1: want to read? This? Well, that's the whole thing. You
Speaker 1: can't read them all. We totally have an email that
Speaker 1: I wanted to read this week. I actually got a
Speaker 1: big kick out of it. This is from Crary. I
Speaker 1: believe it is how you pronounce the name and it
Speaker 1: says I just listened to your awesome polybius And there
Speaker 1: was a description of how most emulated ROMs are for
Speaker 1: home consoles, which I think is a common belief. But
Speaker 1: there's a huge arcade emulating community. Which are we talking about,
Speaker 1: like underground arcade communities? Because that must be the truth.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this, oh my goodness, which is pretty rad. Uh.
Speaker 1: So gave us a couple of things here which let's
Speaker 1: we'll post them. Probably the easiest one. It's because something
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, But they their main M a m
Speaker 1: E is a program that emulates thousands of arcade games
Speaker 1: and the runs are currently out there. But there's also
Speaker 1: the issue and I'm paraphrasing here, but there's a legal
Speaker 1: issue of taking somebody else's game and reusing it. But
Speaker 1: it was just it was offering this to us because
Speaker 1: of course I think that we went off a little
Speaker 1: bit about I know I did go off on ROMs
Speaker 1: for a really long time. Yeah, I wouldn't mind that
Speaker 1: lading asteroids. Yeah yeah, And so evidently that's where all
Speaker 1: the Arcade games we want is that. Perry also said well,
Speaker 1: thanks for not some podcasts, which is great. I then
Speaker 1: had to reply back about the fact that I have
Speaker 1: a job and relationship, and I eat regular meals, and
Speaker 1: I have things that I have to be at on
Speaker 1: a regular basis. I don't have any of those. I'm
Speaker 1: going to forego. So will you make sure to ford
Speaker 1: those to me because I literally have not have those
Speaker 1: right now? You still have to show here. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so I have one commitment a week and you have
Speaker 1: to do your research. Okay, so I've like one and
Speaker 1: a half commitments a week and then we have to
Speaker 1: edit you out. Listen, email this to me because I
Speaker 1: need this so bad. I needed too, just for asteroids
Speaker 1: and a couple of others. I can't keep going to
Speaker 1: ground control. That's expensive. Yeah, it's real expensive. Yeah, anybody
Speaker 1: ground controls in Arcade here in Portland, actual arcade and
Speaker 1: arcade for arcade there, then over one Arcade You're welcome.
Speaker 1: Someday I'll host a little something there. And then that God,
Speaker 1: what was a tank game that came out right after Asteroids?
Speaker 1: It was I know, the one we've talked about. We
Speaker 1: talked about it. That was it was. That was really
Speaker 1: cool too for the time. I mean, obviously it was
Speaker 1: pretty crude for right today's standard, But no, that I
Speaker 1: really like that at email that gave us. That was
Speaker 1: really good following up. Yeah, and I can't go to this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to go to this badly. It to me,
Speaker 1: Jones is gonna get do it? What else? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about games. What are we doing? Nothing emails?
Speaker 1: That's what we're pretty much. We're pretty much done here.
Speaker 1: We can wrap it up. Any last thoughts, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: neither in my mind's a blank. Okay, well, bye bye everybody,
Speaker 1: Thanks you guys. We'll talk to you soon.