WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Yogtze-Fall 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:17.000 Thinking Sideways. I don't know stories of things. We simply 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:23.160 don't know the answer to flow there. Welcome to Thinking Sideways, 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:25.919 the hard hitting podcast. It finds out stuff that nobody 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:31.000 else can figure out. I'm Joe joined by Sorry, we 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.480 went the opposite way. We gotta mix it up sometimes. Yeah, 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:36.800 we don't want people to think there's some particular order. 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:40.200 I also realized that I literally cannot do the intros 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:43.320 every single episode we have from the last month and 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.360 a half. I'm just like Devin, I don't know what 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.760 we're doing anymore. Who are we talking on? What's the 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:53.440 name of our podcast? I don't know. This week we're 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:57.720 solving get another mystery. And this is a fairly well 0:00:57.800 --> 0:00:59.240 known well but not as well known as some of 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.120 the really well known. I didn't know about it. You 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:05.400 didn't know about Did you know about it? Yeah? I 0:01:05.880 --> 0:01:07.640 had no idea how I found out about it or 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:11.560 tell you the shoot, Yeah, I don't remember. But anyway, 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:14.160 so somehow we got onet of this and it's kind 0:01:14.160 --> 0:01:17.560 of mysterious, and so we thought we'd solve it just 0:01:17.640 --> 0:01:20.280 so you know, all the next can can like move 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:23.560 on with your lives. So yeah, and so yes that 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.319 that doesn't fortunately involve somebody has done somebody dying. A 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:28.280 lot of our mysteries seemed to involve people dying. Have 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.600 you noticed that? Yeah? I have, Yeah, which is why 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.759 I'm going to non death stories. Yeah, that's right, You're 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:40.680 going to the positive uplifting you know. So that's that, 0:01:41.080 --> 0:01:43.360 you know, we go with that. I'm gonna stick with death. 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.880 So this is a this is a case that's called 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.960 yug cy fall and let me spell that at y 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:55.400 O g apostrophe t z E see exactly. It kind 0:01:55.400 --> 0:01:58.440 of reminds you of that. So anyway, this happened back 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:03.040 in in Germany. Uh, there's a guy named Stole who 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:07.120 had a case of paranoia, a big old case of paranoia. Yeah, 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.880 kind of. So prior to his death, he would speak 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.440 to his wife about them and he talked about them 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:16.840 meaning people who intended to kill him. That. Yeah, that 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.120 then he never said he was exactly they were, but yeah, 0:02:20.160 --> 0:02:22.360 they were apparently people out to get him. And what okay, 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:24.880 and what was his profession again, he worked in the 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.560 food industry. He was like a food technician or some 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:29.959 sort of technic at the time and now he was 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.160 unemployed at the time. Yeah, probably you know, and actually, seriously, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:35.400 if there are people out to get you, do you 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:36.840 want to be working in any sort of factory where 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:41.400 they could shove you into the machinery? Yeah, I know, seriously, Yeah, 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.359 better to get a job at seven eleven like the 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:48.280 night the graveyard shift a lot safer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.720 So anyway, and I'm not sure nobody's ever actually interviewed 0:02:51.760 --> 0:02:53.840 his wife to find out how exactly hard was to 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:56.240 live with this guy. You know, he's always raving on 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:58.880 about them, but maybe they really were people out to 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:01.160 get him, because actually, in the end he did die, 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:05.239 so kind of mysteriously, yeah, kind of a little bit mysteriously. Yeah. 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.320 October four, around eleven p m. He was at home 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.440 with his wife and he mentioned them again and then 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:18.240 suddenly shouts escape mir leiff so of course, which means 0:03:18.520 --> 0:03:21.600 now I've got it in German, of course. So and 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:23.960 then he writes down six letters on a piece of 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:27.919 paper and the letters are again y O, G apostrophe 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:32.200 t Z and also said it's noted that the the 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.360 third letter, the G, could also be a six, so 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:36.920 there's a little bit of ambiguity. So he's got a 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:40.760 little bit of sloppy handwriting. Yeah, so they think that 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:45.240 the connection could be the horizontal bar on the G 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.120 could have been meant to connect to to make a 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.440 six instead of just floating there. Okay, Yeah, it was 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:52.960 a little weird when I read that. At first. I 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:54.720 was just trying to make sure people make their gs 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.760 kind of the same way they make their they just 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.640 like do a little down things, because I'm guessing he 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.000 wrote to solving capitals, because that's the only way the 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:06.400 G would become six is if it was a capital. 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.880 But you know, somebody makes a G a six like this, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:11.800 or they make a G like that. I know that 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:16.000 our listeners. It is drawing is you start at the top, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.240 you draw to the left and down in an arc, 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:22.080 and then you come up to the mid, which is 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.640 the only way I've ever seen kind of a J shape. 0:04:25.839 --> 0:04:28.320 And then you're saying they go to the left, a 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:33.080 little back to the right and then down people those 0:04:33.120 --> 0:04:36.960 kind of cheese or like a six. Yeah, it could be. Yeah, 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:39.479 so anyway, you know it's probably a license plate number. 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:43.680 It does kind of look like that. Yeah, Yeah, it's 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:47.039 so it's it's nobody knows what it means. Apparently, right 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.720 after he wrote them, down, he crossed them out, so 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.119 he didn't have it, or he did, but he wanted 0:04:52.160 --> 0:04:54.000 to make sure that nobody else could have it so 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.920 they wouldn't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. He might 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:58.600 have been working on some sort of word puzzle to 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.640 don't know, so yabously, I don't know. So nobody's ever 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.159 been able to decipher the meaning of these particular words. 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.280 So anyway, right after that, he left the house and 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.400 want to a pub in Villensdorf. Apparently it was his 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:15.640 favorite drinking hole, and he ordered a beer and then 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.840 he fell off his bar stool backwards and and hit 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.960 his head. According to witnesses there, he lost consciousness briefly, 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:25.040 and they also said that he wasn't drunk. Well, it 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:27.320 was apparently his first beer the night that Apparently he 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.320 didn't get to drink because he left right after that too, 0:05:29.520 --> 0:05:32.440 and and he was he was unconscious for a couple 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.760 of moments. Yeah, yeah, he lost consciousness apparently, and then 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:39.400 they let him get in his car and drive away. Yeah. Wait, well, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:41.920 I'm just trying to I'm just trying to place this 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:47.000 in my head. And I've seen people fall off chairs 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:50.960 or fall off stools before and I'm trying to think, well, 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.560 did he did he just pitch backwards and fall flat 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.800 to the floor, or did he hit a table or 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.400 a chair on his way down? We don't know that. 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:02.000 I'm guessing the accounts are sketchy. Yeah, I mean he 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:03.520 could have he could have fallen back. It was a 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.120 bar full of people drinking. Yeah, I mean, you could 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.400 have fallen straight over backwards or sort of to the 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.240 sides and smacked his face and against the table or 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:13.000 god knows what. But well, I was just thinking that 0:06:13.200 --> 0:06:16.680 falling flat, you're not going to hit your head as 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.240 hard as if you hit a table or chair on 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.160 the way down. If you think about, your body takes 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:24.279 the inertia and then your head bounces off the ground 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.840 if you fall flat. But if you fall and hit 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:30.599 something on the way down, all that inertia is at 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:34.479 that contact point that's going to hurt. Unless the reason 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.559 he felt was that he became unconscious. Oh I hadn't 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:43.840 consciousness prior and fell backwards because his body just went limp. Okay, No, 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.159 that's that's a that's a great idea. Because I was 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.560 just presuming that he was stone cold, sober and sitting 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.280 up and for some reason lost his balance. But if 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:58.480 he's oh, wow, no that I hadn't these guys, I'm 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.720 suddenly interested in his story time. Okay, well follow us 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:07.800 on follow us on Facebook. Just kidding. Uh, all right, 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.760 so let's continue with the story here. So after he 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:13.800 after he recovered his sense as he woke up, he 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.920 left the pub apparently didn't drink his beer, uh, and 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.160 drove away in his Volkswagen. And he showed up a 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.600 few hours later in his childhood neighborhood, which is called 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:26.960 Scott Higer's higer Zelbach. I think, um, do we know 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.680 like where that was in relation to this bar that 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.080 he was at, like if it was hours away or 0:07:32.120 --> 0:07:35.280 if he just disappeared for hours And it was about 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.720 fifteen minutes, so he was gone for he's gone for 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.320 a couple of missing for a couple of hours. Ye, Well, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:43.040 maybe he went to other bars and fell off his bar. 0:07:45.440 --> 0:07:47.280 Yeah yeah, and it might have been too. I mean, 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.679 so he shows up in this at this woman's house 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.400 in his childhood neighborhood, as I said of the unpronounceable name, 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.400 and uh, he went to this house as this woman 0:07:56.440 --> 0:07:58.160 that he'd known from his childhood was by this time 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.080 was a fairly elderly person. But you don't know. I mean, 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:02.679 she might have been the only one that came forward. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.000 Maybe you spent that whole two hours knocking on doors 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.040 in other houses in the neighborhood. Well it's a it's 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:12.080 a weird unaccounted time. Yeah, a couple of hours that 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:16.960 he disappears, and if he just clocked his head, we 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.520 know he could have just been driving around lost. And 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.640 I'm sorry I should have asked this question earlier, to 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:25.280 do we know how old he was? You know, I 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.160 found a record of exactly how old he was. I 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.000 had the impression that he was like in his mid thirties. Okay, yeah, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.559 I was just you know, again, like a seventy year 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:37.040 old guy passes out versus like a middle aged dude 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:41.480 passes out. It's just a difference in my brain. Sorry, sorry, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:45.000 I ask all those questions. Yeah, so, anyway, we don't 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:48.160 know what happened, what he was doing. He might have 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.280 gone to other pubs and hung out. I mean, maybe 0:08:51.280 --> 0:08:53.080 you want to saw a movie, but he goes to 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:55.920 see this woman. He shows up at one am at 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:59.040 this this old lady's doorstep. He'd known her since he 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.320 was a kid, and uh, I wanted to talk to her, 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.280 but she wouldn't let him in because of the late hour, 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:06.840 and so she basically convinced him to go home to 0:09:06.880 --> 0:09:09.520 his wife. She probably thought he was drunk at one 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:13.240 o'clock and randomly show up. It is a little random, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.680 and since it's gonna it's gonna make you feel a little, 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:20.559 you know, a little weird, a little a little weird creepy. Yeah, 0:09:20.600 --> 0:09:23.120 before he left, he said that he told her that 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.480 a horrible incident was going to have was going to 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.680 take place sometime soon. I didn't say what I know. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:32.160 A couple of hours go by, a couple more missing hours. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:33.640 We don't know where the hell he was. He shows 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:35.680 up this time, he's about a hundred kilometers from his 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:39.320 last location. Um. Two truck drivers were driving down the Autobon. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.800 They discover a Volkswagen Golf crashed in the ditch next 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.480 to the Autobahn, and both of them testified to having 0:09:47.480 --> 0:09:50.440 seen a person in a lightly colored jacket walking near 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.480 the car, independently of each other, right on their own. 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:57.240 They weren't questioned together. Um this I don't know all 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.520 I heard it say that, they testified, Oh, I thought 0:09:59.559 --> 0:10:03.880 I read the it was independent accounts. Both of them said, yeah, no, 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:05.920 I saw somebody in a light colored jacket, and the 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:07.840 other person said, oh, yeah, I know I saw somebody, 0:10:07.880 --> 0:10:12.440 any person a colored jacket. Okay, A coherent sentence, Yeah, 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:15.760 that cohering. Now, yeah, you might be right. I don't 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.520 I don't remember that. But you know, when we're researching 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.520 these things, we went up reading a whole lot of stuff, 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.640 and sometimes yeah, I thought it was independently of each other, 0:10:23.679 --> 0:10:27.240 which is, of course Len's more credence. Yeah, it definitely does. Yeah. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:29.160 So anyways, I see this person in a in a 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:32.600 lightly colored jacket. They run to the nearest they had, 0:10:32.720 --> 0:10:37.240 you know, those emergency phones by the highway, Yeah, in 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.120 the ages where I was born. Yeah, obviously not too necessary. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:42.160 Now that they run to that, they call law enforcement, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:44.800 and then they go to the car and there they 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:49.240 find gunther Stole naked in the passenger's seat of his car. Yeah, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.480 he was barely conscious. He said that there have been 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.680 four guys and with him in the car, and those 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.840 guys had quote beat him loose unquote. I'm not sure 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:01.679 what that means. I believe that probably means they beat 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:05.480 the holy out of it. Yeah, sounds like that's that's 0:11:05.480 --> 0:11:09.640 the only way I can interpret that phrase. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.640 and so another but I read the accounts to that 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:14.960 say that he didn't say that. He just said that 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.080 there were four guys and then they had all taken off. 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.760 You know, there's two there's two versions of that. So 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:25.080 beat him looses and shook him loose and left him behind, Yeah, 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.360 they just take that could be another interpretation of beat 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.320 him looses, you know, they shook him loose and ran 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.719 away without him, could be okay, yeah, I mean, I'm 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.040 just trying to trying to understand what this phrase could mean. 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:39.440 I guess it could also just be like weird translation, right, 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.200 English is kind of a weird and that that was 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:46.240 my I just got to say this. I know this 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:47.760 is a little late in the episode to say this, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.800 but that was probably the hardest part about reading this 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:56.200 or researching this, is that the majority articles are in German, 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.920 and so when you're reading them translated, they don't come 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.880 true exceptionally well every time. So it makes it you 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:07.800 question what you're reading, not for the validity of it, 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:12.160 but for the correct word usage in it. Well, it's 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.319 just hard. I mean, you know, English is kind of 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:18.800 complicated language some of us know. So you know, people 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:23.160 who are not native speakers or translation software often use 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:27.760 words in a kind of weird way that we wouldn't recognize. 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.520 For yeah, yeah, really, every yeah, every language has a 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:33.920 lot of euphemisms, and we use them all the time 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.960 without even realizing that literally what we're saying doesn't make sense. 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:41.840 Literally literally all the time. I mean, like, beat the bush, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.160 you know, I'm going to beat the bush looking for 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:46.040 my cat. You know, it's like, what the hell does 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:51.680 that mean? What is the bush to your cat? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.600 so beat them loose could mean There's a number of 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.000 ways that could go just from this the way it's written, 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:01.160 let alone what it could have aten. Yeah. Yeah, And 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:02.560 of course you know again this is like you know, 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.440 been all over the internet, has been told, we told 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.360 cut and pasted and distorted, and so who knows. But 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:10.720 there were four guys. The drivers asked into if those 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.520 men were her what his friends, and he said no, 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:16.120 And the ambulance showed up carted him away, but he 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.400 died in the ambulance on the way to the hospital. Yeah, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:22.440 so he was pretty severely injured. Oh yeah, he was. 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:26.040 And it turns out, guess how he got injured. He 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:29.120 got they got run over by a car. He was 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:31.480 run over by car. He wasn't in a car accident. 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:33.920 He was run over by a car. Yeah, he was 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.679 run over by a car. So the police, uh, they 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.680 investigated in the forensic examination of his body showed that 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:41.240 he had been run over by a car or a 0:13:41.280 --> 0:13:44.480 truck or something. But he'd been actually run over or 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.319 hit by a car, and he was injured. They concluded 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.960 he had been injured before the crash. They hypothesized, because 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:53.640 I don't know exactly how they could have known this 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.240 for a certainty, but the hypothesized that he must have 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.240 been run down elsewhere and then put back in his 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.040 car in the past in your seat, and then somebody 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.600 drove him to that location. I guess you could you 0:14:03.640 --> 0:14:07.920 could know by the what his injuries were. I mean, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.160 you know, there are injuries you get by being in 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:13.440 the passenger seat of a car when it is in 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:18.959 a crash. Things you're gonna happen, yeah, versus like getting 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:21.280 hit by a car. There are other injuries, and then 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:24.240 you know the you know other things like if you 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.200 can you can tell if somebody's got a broken bone, 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.960 and they've been moved since that. You know, if that 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.840 bone broke that way and that's fine, or that broke 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.280 that way, and then they've moved that verson a bunch 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.200 of times in the way that blood settle things like that. 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.360 There's lots of things, So you know, I believe them 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:42.800 that they you know, that he got hit and was 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:44.840 then put in and then put in the car. He 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.600 got hit over and then put in the car. That's weird. 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.560 And then the car was crashed in a ditch, right, yeah, 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:54.320 the car was crashed in the ditch. So yeah, that's 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.200 that's kind of mysterious. And then there was a part 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:57.960 that I mentioned he was naked when they found him. 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:03.440 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this this is the odd bit. Yeah, okay, 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:05.680 so he was naked. They concluded that he was naked 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:08.200 when he got run over by the car, so he 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:13.200 wasn't strip naked afterwards for like evidence reasons. Yeah, he 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.840 was naked before. He was enjoying the night. Yeah, he 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:18.440 was going on a little froll like and it was 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:26.200 it was October, yeah, October right now, okay, yeah, so well, 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.120 you know it's it's kind of weird, but maybe he 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:32.360 liked driving around naked. Who knows there are folks to 0:15:32.480 --> 0:15:36.640 do that. Yes, that's probably true. Yeah. So as far 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.880 as the police investigation went, they they didn't really turn 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:44.760 up much else. So they managed to find some drivers 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:46.520 who have been going down that particular stretch of the 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.280 Audubon around that time of night, and a few of 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.840 them apparently reported seeing a hitchhiker pretty close to that 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:57.440 spot where he was found or after. They don't know, Yeah, 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.240 it's like, you know, it could have been after, it 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.960 could have been before. Yeah, but they saw hitchhiker hanging 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:04.960 out down there. But the hitchhiker and the guy in 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.840 the light jacket were never identified, and so it's one 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.120 of them cold cases, which you know, the world is 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:16.480 called upon team sideways to solve Team sideways. Yeah, so 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.320 you guys have any theories. Oh man, there's so many 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:23.120 weird things in this. We'll go go ahead and run. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.720 I have a couple of possible thoughts on this, but 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:28.480 let's let's hear what you I mean. It kind of 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.000 feels like he was suffering a psychotic break of some kind, right, 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.000 you know, could it was kind of an extended psychotic break, 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:39.040 but perhaps he lost consciousness and suffered a concussion when 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:42.120 he you know, fell over backwards. He was already in 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:46.120 a paranoid kind of state. He drove around. He's got 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:49.400 these lost hours. But you know, it's totally possible that 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.000 I don't know. I guess in my world in like 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:54.760 TV land, right, the way that this went down is 0:16:55.160 --> 0:16:58.800 he was suffering this psychotic break. He went to see 0:16:58.840 --> 0:17:01.640 his old friend. He said, something horrible is going to happen. 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:05.160 He started to drive home, pulled over and was like, no, 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:08.399 I can't drive home. For whatever reason, Strip Naked was 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.640 walking down the highway, maybe got hit by a drunk 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.560 driver or you know, a group of kids or whatever. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.680 So they were like, oh crap, we gotta get him someplace. 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:20.919 They load him into his car, start driving him, but 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:24.399 they're drunk, so they run off the road again and 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.360 then bail because why would you stick around for that, 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:32.280 you know, But there are just so many different you know. 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:34.320 On the other hand, like maybe the men in black 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:38.479 came to assassinate him or whatever Germany's equivalent of that is. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.800 You know, he did a little prominence that something awful 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:43.919 was going to happen, but I don't know if it 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:46.879 was to him or else. Wise, that's also kind of 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.600 a self fulfilling prophecy. Oh absolutely it is. Yeah. Yeah, 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.760 you say something something bad gonna happen, you start making 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.640 bad decisions. Yeah, like walking naked down the Audubon. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.600 that's an interesting choice to make. Yeah, he uh. And 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:02.080 by the way, if you're gonna if you get a 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.080 murder a guy and fake a fake sort of a 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.040 car accident and stripping him naked and put him in 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:07.520 the past in your seat, doesn't strike me as a 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.600 very effective way to do it. So no, but if 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:13.440 you like had your DNA all over his clothes, I mean, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.240 but the thing that, I don't know how they determined 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.080 that he was naked when he got hit. They probably 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.800 skid marks on his skin. I don't know, marks car 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.639 tires make pretty definitive marks on on the human body. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.760 I mean, that's a lot of weight to rule. Although 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:31.560 I guess it just seems like that's the sort of 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:34.000 thing that can happen through clothes just as easily as 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.879 it can on skin. Oh yeah, you know, so I 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:40.119 don't know how they could determine that it was, you know, 0:18:40.200 --> 0:18:43.239 naked versus not. But fine, But like, why do you 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.800 how do you convince a man to strict do you say, Oh, 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:52.040 if you're a hot chick, it's pretty easy. So here's 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:56.280 here's my question. I know we're in any of the reading. 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:00.560 Did I come across anything that said if they checked 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.560 his blood alcohol? Did you? Did either of you see 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.040 about that? Okay? So the way I'm looking at this, 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.000 he fell off his bar stool and he clocked his 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:15.800 noggin somehow, so he's in an altered state, and he 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:18.760 disappears for a couple of hours, and then he shows 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.760 up to this lady's house, and he disappears for a 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.520 couple of hours later till they find him. I have 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:30.240 known people who have banged their head and then decided 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:32.720 in an altered state that they need to go get 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.200 a drink, and then of course they do some weird 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:38.600 stuff because they're not in irrational frame of mind. So 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.959 I could just see this guy kind of loopy go 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:45.199 into a different place than getting another beer and getting 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:50.760 pretty toasted and then going to see this lady. She 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:54.160 doesn't say if he seemed to intoxicated or not from 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:57.320 the account, no mention of this. Okay, So let's just 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:01.800 say that he was a little buzzed. He sees her. Okay, 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:05.840 I gotta get out of here. Where should I go? Oh, well, 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:07.399 I'll go to this place down the street. And he 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:09.679 gets another couple of beers. He meets a couple of guys. 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.679 They're all having a good time. Closing time comes around, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.120 they've got to go, and he's like, I've got a car, 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.600 don't worry about it. And they're goofing around, and let's 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:23.119 say that. He's like, oh, you don't be hilarious. Is 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.159 if I did this? And I'm just gonna shut my 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:28.720 clothes off, And then, you know, gets hit by a car. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.600 And then we fall back into line with what Devil 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.800 was saying, is that he gets hit by the car. 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.120 They're like, oh, uh, crap, we gotta get this guy 0:20:36.160 --> 0:20:38.560 at the hospital. Put him in the car. Guy who's 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:44.199 driving a little loaded rex the car and they all go, um, 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.159 not being here, not it, I'm out of here, you 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.560 tell uh. And the guy who's in the light jacket 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.560 one around. He's the last one left, the guilty party 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.040 who has to explain what's happening, and then he chickens 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.960 out and beats feet. I guess you know the other 0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.960 thing I could see happening, which I think I read 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:07.240 a theory of in the reading somewhere is that stroll 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:13.280 Stole crashes his car and in this alterative mind is like, wow, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:15.560 I gotta take all my clothes off for whatever reason, 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.600 wanders out to Audubon, gets hit by, checking himself for 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.280 injuries or something you know, says okay, and it's like 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:25.320 going out there for help, right, you know, tries to 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.679