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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to a bonus episode of I Saw

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Speaker 1: What You Did. My name is Millie to Jericho, I'm

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Speaker 1: Daniel Henderson and any guys, we're just chillaxon on another

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Speaker 1: bonus with you. What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you what's going on a

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Speaker 2: couple of little A little while ago. You went to

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Speaker 2: a movie related event for a weekend. I want to

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Speaker 2: know how it How it went?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I did? In fact, I went to a h

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Speaker 1: a genre movie film festival in Austin, Texas. I'll let

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Speaker 1: you guys do the math on what what what? Which

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Speaker 1: one it was? I have not. I mean, look, I

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Speaker 1: went to the TCM Festival in the spring because I

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Speaker 1: had to because we were we had to work, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, but it was like a mandatory mask thing.

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Speaker 1: It was very we were very much still in the

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Speaker 1: you know, COVID precaution era. This was not that at

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Speaker 1: all like it was. And thank fucking god, I was like,

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Speaker 1: I should get the Omicron booster before I leave, because

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Speaker 1: I had. I was due for a booster like timeline wise,

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Speaker 1: and I have gotten every booster for everything ever since

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Speaker 1: you know the initial run. Yes, I know, and that's

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Speaker 1: why I'm like, did I don't know if they've given

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Speaker 1: you a new card?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a new card just this time. This

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Speaker 2: is the first time I got a new card. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you filled it up, and I'm like.

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Speaker 1: Yep, I know. It spills over into another card. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: that's my people, the two card people. That means that

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Speaker 1: they were you know, on their shit, you know. And

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Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, let me get this this

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Speaker 1: omicron booster and thank god because no masks, no masks, baby,

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Speaker 1: And like it was crowded at times. It was so

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Speaker 1: crowded people were pushing other people.

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Speaker 3: Whosh.

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Speaker 1: I think is very strange, Like.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's weird even before COVID, but post COVID, how

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Speaker 2: you're laying hands on anybody in public?

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Speaker 1: Okay, now, hm, I texted you pretty much the entire

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Speaker 1: time I was there, right, Because here's the thing. I

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Speaker 1: have gone to film festivals by myself many times. Some

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Speaker 1: of them are less lonely than others, if you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I mean, listen, going to watch movies alone. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: you and I we've talked about this.

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Speaker 3: This is something that we enjoy absolutely, But.

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Speaker 1: I also think too, like I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: And if you're in you know, a film festival, I

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Speaker 1: mean some of them are like weeks on end, right,

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Speaker 1: So depending how long on how long are there, it

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Speaker 1: can get kind of lonely. And I think if you

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Speaker 1: like a huge, you know factor and how lonely you feel.

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Speaker 1: Like when I went to the Toronto Film Festival, I

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Speaker 3: There and I was like, damn, Like Tiff is like NonStop.

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Speaker 2: Like Tiff is like like you can go to movies

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Speaker 2: all the time and be around people, but you're not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, we've also talked about I mean,

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Speaker 1: I'm very good at making dinner reservations by for myself

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Speaker 2: Is that what being a woman alone in a restaurant

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Speaker 1: She's at the bar alone, eating and paying for dinner.

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Speaker 2: Range that that is truly something I've never considered. In

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Speaker 2: all the years that I've been dining alone and going

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Speaker 1: I listen, I'm not trying to toot my own horn

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Speaker 1: by saying that I've considered it, because I don't, if anything,

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Speaker 3: No, I feel for guys.

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Speaker 2: I always like, if I see a guy drinking alone

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Speaker 2: But then when I'm eating alone, I'm like I'm just

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Speaker 1: I No, we're eccentric, extremely wealthy individuals who could take

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Speaker 1: and beautiful and mysterious. No, that's that's I don't know

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Speaker 1: And I'm masked in the theater, like on the plane everywhere.

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Speaker 1: Like I was really really stringent on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and if there's no mask. Were they just like

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Speaker 1: Well, it was really like more Yeah, there was. The

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like, this has to be yes, And

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Speaker 3: Ever?

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Speaker 1: Because I have been before and I don't remember this

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Speaker 2: That is like, there also has to be better orzation

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Speaker 3: We are in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: There's no reason why you can't form a queue or

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Speaker 2: in general. We don't have to be all mobbing into

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was definitely several moments during this festival where

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Speaker 1: Like what the fuck is going on? Like a grown

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Speaker 2: This is why every time I even consider like, Oh,

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Speaker 2: I should go to those festivals with Millie.

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Speaker 3: That would be so much fun. I'm like mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, this is like the difference between in my

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Speaker 3: There needs to be somebody keeping this shit tight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it should be by age. Like

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Speaker 1: fucking I will choose my seats ahead of time, like

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Speaker 1: Do I say no more? I will? I as much

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Speaker 2: I feel like you've You've definitely reached the point where

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Speaker 3: Like you are.

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Speaker 2: Definitely professionally and personally at a point where you should

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and like, and it's such it's such weird

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. I think it's because everybody's

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Speaker 1: But I'm just like, what about the Olds? What about

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Speaker 1: the Olds? And like exactly, here's the thing I was like,

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Speaker 1: all I'm saying. Like we would have fucking that guy

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Speaker 1: the floor and we would have done it together. Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: But you know, I will start.

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Speaker 1: And they actually got what's his name that directed that movie? Now,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did see a documentary about Chucky. I'll have

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like John Matrix trying to get out of that

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Speaker 2: Your first thought is not this is the daughter of

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Speaker 1: Listen. I mean, I was like, you need to throw

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Speaker 2: Well, now I will go, I will, we will bush

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Speaker 2: we will become the Bushwhackers. I will bring elbow pads,

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Speaker 1: freaks that were there that I was like, Okay, I

436
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 1: feel like I'd be bothering her all weekend.

437
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: On her weekend.

438
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 2: Oh, I wasn't doing shit but watching I was. I

439
00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: was watching the Jeffrey Dahmer TV series with my grandma.

440
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 3: And have you watched it yet?

441
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: Okay, no, but like everybody is talking about it, so

442
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like, what's going on? Tell me how you

443
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: why you started it? What happened?

444
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 2: I started it because, as you know, I'm not like

445
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 2: super duper into crime, true crime stuff, Like I'm easily scared.

446
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:21,680
Speaker 3: I have an issue with safety in my own life.

447
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 3: I don't like thinking about it.

448
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fact that serial killers are just out there

449
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:29,719
Speaker 2: amongst us. But Jeffrey Dahmer was one of the first

450
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: huge news stories that I remember as a kid, Like

451
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: it was huge news and I remember seeing him on

452
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 2: magazines and on the news and everyone was talking about it,

453
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: and I was talking about like cannibalism and fuck, like

454
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: it was fucked. Yeah, like instantly awful and instantly fucked,

455
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: and I remember it being I just remember it so vividly.

456
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: But at the same time, because we were getting all

457
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: of our news filtered through like you know, local TV,

458
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: I never got any of the details. And because I

459
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: don't read into that kind of stuff, I never knew

460
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: a lot of the details. And so I watched it

461
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: out of curiosity because I had read that the creators

462
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 2: of the.

463
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 3: Show kind of focused on the victim.

464
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: Stories more and I was like, Oh, I've never known

465
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: aside from like one or two, I've never known a

466
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 2: lot about the victims. It could be interesting to see

467
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: it in that light. Now having said that, it's a

468
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: Ryan Murphy joint, so take that with a grain.

469
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 3: Of salt, Like, oh what, and it's called.

470
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: Dahmer Monster the Jeffrey Dahmer Story, Like somebody in production

471
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: should have edited that title seven years ago.

472
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 1: Say it again. Wait, it's saying it.

473
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: Okay, here's the full title.

474
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 2: Is Dahmer Monster colon the Jeffrey Dahmer Story. I'm like,

475
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: you need eighteen copy editors. You could have flagged this

476
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 2: as soon as you pitch this idea.

477
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Can we stop saying the word Dahmer and just in

478
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: this simple Wow.

479
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 3: Can we just throw Dahmer And there's.

480
00:25:58,359 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: Much possle, clunky.

481
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 2: It so clunky, and it's Ryan Murphy. So take all

482
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: of that with a grain of salt. Here's the thing

483
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: that has fucked me up about Dahmer Monster, the Jeffrey

484
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: Dahmer Store.

485
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: Three things so fucked me Up.

486
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: Won that title I can't get over it. Two I

487
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: did not realize. So part of the part of the

488
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 2: what they focused on is he was doing this in

489
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: a fucking apartment building, so all of his neighbors smelled

490
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: the dead bodies he was cooking, smelled the dead bodies

491
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: he had in that fucking fifty four gallon vet like

492
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 2: drum in his room, and they NISI Nash plays his

493
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 2: next door neighbor who would like see naked guys crawling

494
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 2: out of his apartment and like the cops gave that

495
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: fourteen year old boy back to him. And she was

496
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 2: the one who called it in and was like, what's

497
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: going on with this? This doesn't seem right, And she

498
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: called and called and called. It was like, there's some shit,

499
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: And there's an episode where it's highly focused on her,

500
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: and you realize that, like the vent in her apartment,

501
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: Like a lot of the smells would come through the vent,

502
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: so her house just smelled like death and decay, and

503
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: she's like, something is wrong.

504
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: She would hear him sawing through people.

505
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 2: And like hear him with his electric saw like cutting

506
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: body parts, like it was vile, and it made me

507
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: instantly so fucking sad for like the trauma that all

508
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: of these people around him. I don't know why I

509
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: had never considered though, like aside from the victims of

510
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: the crime, the victims of his environment were like multitudes

511
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: of people who lived with this fucking.

512
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 1: Ghoul god dude, And it was just.

513
00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: Like it was very, very interesting that they did it

514
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: in that light. So that was the second thing that

515
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 2: really surprised me. The third thing that really surprised me,

516
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,239
Speaker 2: and I know that listener Stephanie has has rocked our

517
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: worlds in the best possible way by sending us the

518
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 2: creep Lifetime Achievement Award OSCAR category that she and her

519
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 2: husband came up with as a way to fix the oscars.

520
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 2: And it really made me think that Evan Peters, who

521
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: plays Jeffrey Dahmer in Dahmer Monster, The Jeffrey Dahmer Story

522
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: Evan Peters does not to me qualify for creep lifetime

523
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: achievement because he doesn't bring creep to every single role

524
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 2: he does. Like he does comedy, he does you know,

525
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: he was in Mayor, The Mayor of East Town and

526
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: like he was really sweet in that. But he does

527
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: creepy so goddamn well that it's disturbing.

528
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: It is disturbing.

529
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 2: This dude has been in tons of American horror stories

530
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: with Ryan Murphy's, but he does creep so well that

531
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: I'm like, he is a He's again, he's like a

532
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: Taron Egerton to me, where I'm like, you're just a

533
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 2: little tiny baby, but now.

534
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 3: You're acting like you're actually a creep, like a grown creep. Yeah.

535
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: I can't. Like it's a cognitive dissonance that I can't

536
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 3: get over.

537
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just looked him up because he didn't

538
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: he didn't sound familiar to me when you said his name.

539
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: And he looks like freaking the Redhead singer Guy Ed

540
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: Sheeran or something like. He has this like kind of

541
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: looks like he was in Lord of the Rings or

542
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: something like.

543
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 2: He's whiperinocuous, dimple like super cute, absolute freak like he

544
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: plays freaks unnaturally well, and I'm like, this is disturbing that.

545
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: He's playing this ghoule, like you said so side sidebar

546
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: to this, and I don't know if you know this

547
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: guy or not, but like so, when I was in Austin,

548
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: my friend's and Tracy had just started this show and

549
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: they were telling me about it, and and Chris mentioned

550
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: that apparently Evan Peters as Jeffrey Dahmer sounds like the

551
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: comedian Joe Para. Do you know Joe Para?

552
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: Yep, And to.

553
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: The point where they interviewed Joe Para apparently where he's like,

554
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: did you know that you sound like the guy who's

555
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: playing Jeffrey fucking Dahmer. And I'm like, wow, what the fuck?

556
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: Because I've seen, you know, Joe Parah talks with you

557
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: or whatever, and that is a creepy but voice, even

558
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: if it's hit. Now, I'm just imagining watching the show

559
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: and hearing the guy playing Jeffrey Dahmer sound like Joe Parrah,

560
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is bone chilling already, Like I

561
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: don't even know if I could start it.

562
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: I'm telling you that like high pitch Midwestern accent. It

563
00:30:55,280 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: just it's creepy and Evan Peters is so goddamn I'm cute,

564
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, you can't be out here playing serial

565
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: killers and looking fine. I'm sorry, I can't. My brain

566
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: cannot handle this.

567
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 3: I got this shit.

568
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: Stop stop being a baby and getting swollen like babyfaced

569
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: actors need to stop getting swoll for these fucking roles.

570
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: I can't take it.

571
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I that's it. So out of curiosity, is there

572
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: uh a portrayal of an evil person that you found

573
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: hot in the history of movies and TV? Like, is

574
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: there somebody that you were like, that's a hot Charles Manson,

575
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: or like, that's a hot Jeffrey Dahmer. I think you

576
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: might have just found your first.

577
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: If you haven't, think I just found it. And it's

578
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 3: not sitting well with me because this guy was a

579
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 3: fucking ghoul. It is disturbed and truly, truly, like, I can't.

580
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm always a This is a very therapeutic conversation that

581
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: I need to have, clearly, but like, I'm always attracted

582
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 2: to the villain a.

583
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 3: Little bit more than I am the hero.

584
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 2: You know, I don't like muscles, you know, I can't

585
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 2: stand that shit. Yeah, I love it a Mad's Michelson

586
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: and fucking Casino.

587
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: Royale all day long, crying blood.

588
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: Bring him to me, let's do it. Mad's Michaelson is

589
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: fucking Hannibal was hot.

590
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I saw, Oh my god, I'm gonna have

591
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: to look this up because you're gonna freak the fuck out.

592
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: But this is what I mean. I can't do it.

593
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 3: I can't do it.

594
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: I don't like myself liking these fucking hot actors.

595
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: So not for nothing, but yeah, boy, Matt Smith played

596
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: Charles Manson in this Mende that came out, that Charlie

597
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: Says movie, and it was literally the only time in

598
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: my life where I was like, Charles Manson's kind of hot,

599
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: Like he's not hot like a but I mean, and

600
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: it's only because Matt Smith was playing him, which, by

601
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,959
Speaker 1: the way, Matt Smith, it is tall. Charles Manson was

602
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: like tiny four three or something. He was super tiny

603
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: and gross and smelly. And I was like, I don't

604
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: know why they got this like hot tall guy to

605
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: play this like piece of shit. But now you're ruining it.

606
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: You're rooting in the wiring in my brain because now

607
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, Charles Manson was hot. Oh my god, Like,

608
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: what the fuck?

609
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't he was not Wow, he was not hot.

610
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: He was a little fucking demon from the depths of hell.

611
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: And that this is what I mean. Stopcasting hot people

612
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: to play these fucking murdering ghouls.

613
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it ain't right.

614
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,719
Speaker 2: And that Smith he shouldn't be hot anyway, Like if

615
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: you look at him head on, nothing about his face

616
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: should be hot, Like nothing fits, but it works somehow,

617
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: like he's cute. It definitely works. But Evan Peters just

618
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: rocking my world is Jeffrey Dahmer And I can't take it.

619
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: I cannot take it. He was so good in that

620
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 2: role playing this fucking absolute demon.

621
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah.

622
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 2: Also very cute. Aussie semen is his underwear a lot. Also

623
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 2: he's murdering people. Also, he's targeting black people. Like I

624
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: can't take it. Please stop my brain from going down

625
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 2: this track.

626
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know that I loved the assassination

627
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: of Johnny Versace. That that is the only time I

628
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: ever watched O'Ryan murphy project. I've not seen pretty much

629
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: anything else. And they made Andrew Kunanin like a little

630
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: hotty too, like yeah, they made him like I mean,

631
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: and I don't maybe want to go down this road entirely.

632
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: But I was like, yo, I mean, and I watched

633
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,479
Speaker 1: it primarily because Andrew Kunonen is Filipino and I I'm

634
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 1: just out here watching Filipino stories as I did, I

635
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna watch this, and uh yeah, I mean

636
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: he was like a hot Andrew Kunonen guy. And I

637
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: was like, that is fucked up? Is that fucked up?

638
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? Like, oh, good, Hi, Jeffrey Dahmer,

639
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: a hot Charles Manson. We can't have this.

640
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: It ate right, it ate right?

641
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 2: And I also like, yeah, we can't have a hotty

642
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 2: Andrew Kuananan And also the guy who played Versace in

643
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: like Edgar Ramirez.

644
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so fucking hot.

645
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like I didn't find Gianni Versachi personally

646
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: hot in real life.

647
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 3: Why are you doing this?

648
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

649
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a bad style era, I

650
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: think for that. And but then when he was in

651
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: the Point Break remake, you know, I was like, oh,

652
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: maybe he's.

653
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 3: Got that nonsense.

654
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like his character is terrible, but he looks really great.

655
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: He looks great flying through the air in a fucking

656
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: squirrel suit.

657
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 1: What did so what did Grandma think of The Dahmer Show.

658
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 2: Grandma first and foremost. I have to preface everything with

659
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 2: her now, because like I know that she loves horror,

660
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 2: but she also has dementia, so I don't want to

661
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 2: scare her. Sure if she's in one of her omens

662
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: where she's like, I do not want to watch this.

663
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: So I always ask her, Hey, do you want to

664
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: watch something that's funny or scary or like I always

665
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: kind of try to see what mood she's in. And

666
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: so she said to me, I want to watch something spooky,

667
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: and I was like, okay.

668
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,399
Speaker 3: I said, well, there's a TV show that I want

669
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 3: to watch.

670
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: Let's watch the first episode and if you don't like it,

671
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: we can watch something else. She was fucking riveted, wow,

672
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 2: because again, has dementia. Forgot the Jeffrey Dahmer story, forgot

673
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 2: Dahmer Monster, the Jeffrey Dahmer story, forgot the story.

674
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: So she was like, oh my god.

675
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: No, she started remembering it as we were watching it, right,

676
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: and that was a fascinating thing to watch. But like,

677
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: we watched a few episodes together and she was riveted

678
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: because the first episode is very tense and it's mostly

679
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 2: about like you see the process of how he lured

680
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: people into his apartment, so it's a lot of tense,

681
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: and she likes that, Like she likes that kind of

682
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: spooky tension of like, oh, who's gonna die?

683
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 3: Get them? Get them? They're like fighting and tussling a

684
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 3: little bit. She probably loved it. She fucking loved it.

685
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: And then she started to remember and she's like, this

686
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: is real, Like this is a real news story. And

687
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, this really happened, and she was.

688
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 3: Like oh, like she was just and she was riveted,

689
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: disgusted and remembering when it actually happened. It was weird.

690
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: And we watched a few episodes. So she loved it.

691
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: And then I watched the rest on my own that night,

692
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: which was a fucking mistake because I've been awake for

693
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: two days straights, and said, I've not slept a solid

694
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 2: night since I finished it.

695
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I it's like every now that now that

696
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,280
Speaker 1: we've talked about it, and then just hearing other people

697
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: kind of discuss it with me over the past couple

698
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: weeks or whatever, I actually think I don't know a

699
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: lot about the details of that rud and so part

700
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: of me is wondering maybe I just need to like,

701
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: cause I don't. It's that kind of thing where like

702
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: I I I don't know if I want to like

703
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: watch this thing as a way to be like, oh,

704
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: what are the actual facts? Like, you know, cause it's

705
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: a Hollywood it's a thing, you know what I mean,

706
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: It's like a Ryan Murphy thing. You know. At a

707
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: certain point, I just need to go to like an

708
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: article that or a documentary that'll talk about it so

709
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: I could just know what the facts are and then

710
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: see the hot version of Jeffrey Dahmer or whatever. So yeah,

711
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I just so many people who are like,

712
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like kind of become this like flashpoint.

713
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 1: I feel like between this and the fucking Marilyn Monroe movie,

714
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, there is discourse in the air all.

715
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 3: Over the place.

716
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 2: Yes, that's that the Armists movie, right.

717
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: Oh lord, Yes, I mean it is good.

718
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: Lord, it is.

719
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it yet. Every person that I know

720
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: that as tastes that are in line with mine. And

721
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's good taste. I have friends that

722
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: have really bad taste. And there are film critics, like

723
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: there's a guy that I know, Luke, who like has

724
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: fantastic tastes like he he likes the shit that like

725
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: nobody else likes, but that I like, like, you know,

726
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: we both watch this, like, you know, like he thinks

727
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: that Showgirls is a masterpiece type of thing, and I'm like, okay, right,

728
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: like we have a similar taste.

729
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 3: He was like it is fucking terrible, and so.

730
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: I'm like okay, Like my guy is not feeling this.

731
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: But then like there's just been so much drama about it.

732
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: Do you watch it so you can take part in

733
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 2: the drama? Like same with don't worry darling, Like I

734
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 2: don't know what it's about. I don't know if it's good,

735
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: But do I watch it so I can understand what

736
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: happened at Venice and what I was watching on that

737
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: fuck my fucking news feed all weekend pop culturally? Yeah,

738
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: Like do you watch it just to be part of it? Well?

739
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: And like I don't know if it's like this other

740
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: thing too about like these these these real people like

741
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: being presented by others like that are just like people

742
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: who are you know, telling a story about a real

743
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: person and it's not a fucking you know, it's not

744
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: like a Mazeer Brothers documentary. It's like, yeah, people who

745
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: are artists and who are making art about a real person.

746
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: So it's just this crazy like but then there's also

747
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: that that thing can go too far, too where you're

748
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: just like you've got none of it right, like you

749
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: got nothing right or whatever. And so I don't know,

750
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: there's a part of me that's like, do I want

751
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: to stay in my beautiful cloud and not have an

752
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: opinion about this stuff that everybody's talking about, or do

753
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: I want to like subject myself to the madness. I

754
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know.

755
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 3: I will say I'm not gonna watch Blonde.

756
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: I'm not watching that Marilyn Monroe movie because I just

757
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: feel like, please let her rest, like it's been so along,

758
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: like let the women rest in peace. We have to

759
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: I sected her culturally, Yeah, forever, there's nothing else to know.

760
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: I don't care if like this person is to me,

761
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 2: all these Marilyn Monroe vehicles become is a vehicle for the.

762
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 3: New hot Hollywood girl.

763
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm like, we need to stop that, like

764
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: just stop that train in its tracks, like we don't.

765
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: We need to find something else for the new hot

766
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: Hollywood girl to do. But I will say this about

767
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: Dahmer Monster, the Jeffrey Dahmer story. It will be terrifying

768
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: to you, I think, in some ways, but I do

769
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: think it's worth it to learn about the true nature

770
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: of his crimes in the only thing that I've seen

771
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: that doesn't center him. Like there's no sympathy for him

772
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: at all on this show, and even when they're explaining

773
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: his background, you're like, all right, I know this, but

774
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: I don't care. You should never have done this. So

775
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: I think it's worth it to learn about the victims

776
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 2: and to learn about Like, it's the only thing I've

777
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: seen about this particular serial killer that has even attempted

778
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: to do that, even if it's heavy handed at times,

779
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 2: even if it doesn't really pull it off sometimes, Yeah,

780
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 2: it's the only thing that I've seen that's tried to

781
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 2: do that. And I was I was better for having

782
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 2: watched it, just knowing again about kind of the effect

783
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: of trauma on the people in the building and just thinking, really,

784
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 2: I cannot stop thinking about his neighbors, and you know

785
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: what the city did and like and didn't do, and

786
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 2: it just kind of I don't know, it just it

787
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 2: made me think in a way that I didn't think

788
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: it was going to.

789
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: So it's worth it for that for that alone.

790
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's interesting. I mean it's just all

791
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 1: this like fallout from things like that that you don't

792
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: ever think about usually. Yeah, that, I mean if somebody

793
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: just sort of like focuses an attention towards it, you're like,

794
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: oh fuck. I mean it just is this whole, this

795
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: whole thing like that we never think about when we're

796
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 1: just like watching the news about a crime or whatever.

797
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: You don't think about the neighbors and that.

798
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: Kind of exactly like just doing killing all of these

799
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 2: people in a fucking apartment. We've all lived in apartments

800
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: and apartment buildings and had weird neighbors and weird smells

801
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: and weird shit coming like sounds coming through. Imagine hearing

802
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 2: a serial killer. Yeah, oh, it just didn't rock me

803
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: to my core. I will also say it is worth

804
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: it for there was a moment and I didn't know

805
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 2: that he did this because again, this wasn't the focus

806
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,839
Speaker 2: of the news that I was watching at the time.

807
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 2: Apparently Jesse Jackson went to Milwaukee during the Jeffrey decas

808
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 2: He's like, this is a failure of police because Jeffrey

809
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 2: Dahmer targeted black Latino gay men in an underserved part

810
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 2: of an underserved city. Okay, So Jesse Jackson was like,

811
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: this is something that we need to draw attention to.

812
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: There is a scene where he's in a car. They're

813
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: talking to his aid. Like the scene starts with his aid,

814
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: so you don't know who he's talking to it first,

815
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: when they turned to the actor that plays Jesse Jackson,

816
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 2: I laughed out loud for like five solid minutes. It

817
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,879
Speaker 2: is worth it for that moment alone.

818
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: To find out who's playing Jesse Jackson. Is that what

819
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: you mean?

820
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: Like just ahead of time?

821
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: I won't.

822
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: It is like an SNL S get like, just it

823
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 2: is worth it for that moment alone.

824
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 3: There is some levity and it comes just in that moment.

825
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: Wow. See I had no idea that that had happened, Like,

826
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: I had no idea that it got that right? Is

827
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: so this is what I mean?

828
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: Like, none of the news that I was watching at

829
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: that time focus on anything other than the fact that

830
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: this man killed and eight people. They didn't talk about

831
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: the fact that they were black and latin X people.

832
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 2: They didn't talk about the fact that they were all

833
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: gay men, or that one of them was a fourteen

834
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: year old boy and that like they didn't talk.

835
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 3: About any of that shit.

836
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that that is something that I forgot,

837
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: Like I like, as you're telling this to me, because

838
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I mean I I was pretty young

839
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: maybe when that when did that happen.

840
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: Like late eighties, like ninety one, ninety one, Yeah, I.

841
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: Would have been in like maybe I was probably like

842
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: eleven or twelve or something, so yeah, I mean that's

843
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have known the details

844
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: at that age for that, but like, yeah, I just

845
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: remember hearing like the late night talk show jokes and

846
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and yeah, Okay, I'm gonna have

847
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: to do a really deep dive before I get into that, so.

848
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 3: Watch it in the afternoon.

849
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't look up too much about it, and just

850
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: I would say jump in.

851
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 1: Well, and I gotta say too, like I mean, going

852
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: back to that earlier point about sort of all of

853
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: this like really contentious seems like I don't know, like biographies,

854
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta say if I was out there,

855
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: I mean, and maybe you can speak to this more

856
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: than me. I'm total totally not a screenwriter or like

857
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: a you know, I would never in a million years

858
00:45:56,680 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: go towards any historical figure at all. Right now, It's like,

859
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: right now, everybody is doing a real fine tooth comb

860
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: through history, And if I was trying to tell a story,

861
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: I would make that shit up. I would never ever

862
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: focus on anybody that was remotely real because people are

863
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: gonna have opinions about it, and I don't know. I

864
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: just be like, I'm just making I gotta make it

865
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: up a character. It's gonna be hell, yeah, you know,

866
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: a little alien guy.

867
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: Everything's a gritty reboot, like I would do if I

868
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 2: was doing anything historical in a screenwriter sense, I would

869
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 2: do like a Johnny Applesey's story, but turn him into

870
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 2: a serial killer and make it a gritty reboot. Oh yeah,

871
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: Like you can't come at me for that.

872
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Right, I would fucking make another Minions movie, except even Dummer.

873
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: Like if it was my I was like, Oh, what

874
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: what kind of story should I tell right now? What's like,

875
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:48,879
Speaker 1: what's like an element that I need to talk about,

876
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: I'd be like, Oh, just create a Minions type character,

877
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: like some idiot, little yellow piece of shit. Like I

878
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: would never because then then it's like, oh, let's take

879
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: on Audrey Hepburn and right to a dark Audrey Hepburn story.

880
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:06,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck that, no, you're you know.

881
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 2: Also, like I fear and am aware of like families,

882
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 2: like there are still people alive related to these people. Yeah,

883
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's not worth it to even try,

884
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:20,800
Speaker 2: especially if it's a terrible story.

885
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know Jeffrey Dahmer had a brother.

886
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: Oh, his brother changed his name almost as soon as

887
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: this shit started happening. But like someone is married to

888
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 2: and has kids with Jeffrey Dahmer's brother.

889
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 1: Lord, I mean that is heavy. That's heavy shit.

890
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like and he's still alive, So like I can't,

891
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: I can't.

892
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 2: I can't with families with legacy, I apologize to the

893
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: Gregory Pets family every fucking time I mentioned his name

894
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: on this podcast.

895
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: Like people are out there.

896
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: He is, his legacy is having a high ass, and

897
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: those kids will, oh, they will know.

898
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: Now, I asked, fine, man, do we the other people

899
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: know when their grandparents are hot or like their.

900
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,919
Speaker 3: Great grandparents are hot? Like, I don't know, I've never

901
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: considered a brother or not.

902
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: My granddad was hot, but like if you're related to

903
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: Gregory pect you just know, like yeah, he was hot.

904
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean at a certain level. Yeah, like, uh, there

905
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: is this old I mean, no one will ever know

906
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 1: who this person is, but maybe who knows. There's this

907
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 1: old ass actor that is long dead. His name is

908
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: Joel McCrae. He was like a Western star. He was

909
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: in Sullivan's Travels. He was in a couple of like

910
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: you know, Preston Sturgis movies, like rom coms in like

911
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 1: the thirties, so he's like a thirties movie star. He

912
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,760
Speaker 1: was like the hottest man I've ever seen in my life.

913
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: And his grandson comes to the Film Festival every year

914
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: because I guess he does a lot for They have

915
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: like a ranch in like Sherman oh Oaks or fucking

916
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: Calabassis or something like that. And there was a year

917
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: that he came to the Film Festival and I just

918
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: straight up told him I was like, your grandpa was

919
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 1: so hot. And I'm sorry to say it, but like,

920
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, because he's he's super friendly. He's like this

921
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: really gregarious, smiley cowboy with like this giant like Wilfrid

922
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: Brimley mustache, and he's really sweet and he's so friendly,

923
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: and so I don't know, I just felt comfortable, and

924
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 1: I was like, Sir, Wyatt McCrae, sir, like your dad

925
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 1: was such a haughtie, like he was so beautiful, and

926
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: he was like thank you, yes, like you know, like

927
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 1: I just was like, thank god he didn't deck me,

928
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: cause I mean, he wasn't like he didn't seem completely

929
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,479
Speaker 1: runed out. But I'm sure he was just being nice.

930
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: He probably went home to his wife and been like

931
00:49:54,239 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: this crazy woman just said grandpa was of big fuck bomb,

932
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: like she really wanted to.

933
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 2: He came he came back from that festival the way

934
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 2: you came back from this festival.

935
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 3: He was like, I was surrounded by.

936
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: Freaks and one of them say granddad was hot.

937
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: Hey, no freak, like an old movie freak. Let's get serious,

938
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: Like these people are weird. I mean, these are like

939
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: band nerves to the n dimension. Yeah, and I and

940
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,359
Speaker 1: now it's on record, I guess, but yeah, I don't know.

941
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: I think I would react in a weird way if

942
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: somebody said that about my grandpa.

943
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, there's no other way to react. But some

944
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 2: of you got hot grandpa's and you can't help it

945
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: and you know it, and it's fine, just keep it,

946
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: keep it one hundred and people tell you because they

947
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 2: can't help you, got hot Grandpa's out there. I feel

948
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: like we've gone so long, but I do want to

949
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: read at least one or two of these emails.

950
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: I know, I know we have a heart out at

951
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: a certain point. Why don't we just do one or something?

952
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, yeah, or even.

953
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: The first two, Like one is just the comment then

954
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 2: then one is just like a question that we think

955
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 2: we can answer pretty quickly.

956
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, you want to.

957
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 3: Read the first one, I'll read the sacond one.

958
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 1: Sure, first one is from R. No other details, so

959
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll just say R esteemed queens. Your

960
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 1: intro to today's episode was extremely thoughtful and gracious. I

961
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 1: was sorry to hear that you've felt stifled or anxious

962
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: to talk about particular things, as I think you too,

963
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: are the most conscientious and deeply intentional people in the

964
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: podcast arena, and unfortunately it seems like compassionate, thoughtful women

965
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: are always going to be held to a higher standard

966
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 1: of perfectionism in their work than basic dudes. Seriously, though,

967
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: I appreciate the fuck out of you both and have

968
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: always found your conversations to be nuanced, interrogative and challenging

969
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: in the best way. And I'm prepared to bare knuckle

970
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 1: box any haters who just come to throw shade. Much

971
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 1: love R. I fucking appreciate that. R. Thank you so much.

972
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 3: Thanks are I know.

973
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: I think we said everything we have to say in

974
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: that intro, and I love that we had that conversation.

975
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 2: But I also love that so many of you responded

976
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:11,080
Speaker 2: in this kind of way where and I will say,

977
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 2: it's not like we get a ton of haters, but

978
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 2: we do get a lot of policing more than anything,

979
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: of language and this and that and comments and like

980
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 2: and it's just nice to know that most of you.

981
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:22,279
Speaker 3: Are not like that. So thank you.

982
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're responding so well to this. And I love

983
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 2: that conversation. I love that we had that conversation.

984
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: I do it too. It felt cathartic, and I mean,

985
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: I know that it was kind of like a hard

986
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,799
Speaker 1: conversation to have, and there was like people who were

987
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: legit like surprise that we had had it, because I

988
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: think that they didn't I think they didn't see they

989
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: didn't know that we had some we sometimes get, you know,

990
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: the policing, but a lot of people appreciate it us

991
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 1: just talking it out, so that's cool. I appreciate y'all.

992
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: I think that both of us felt better afterwards and that.

993
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 2: Was greatly Yeah, totally thanks are. This one comes from Leanne.

994
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: The subject of the email is Spookky Season, and Leanne says,

995
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 2: like Danielle, I love a good scary film, but hate

996
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: the blood and violence that goes along with so many.

997
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 2: My brother and I grew up watching movies like Dark

998
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: Knight of the Scarecrow and Curtain I must watch for

999
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:28,400
Speaker 2: those who haven't seen. Would love recommendations for movies that

1000
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: truly scare but without guts and gore. Happy Spooky Season, Leanne, Leanne,

1001
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: I got you. I'm your girl here because again, don't

1002
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,240
Speaker 2: love the gore, but I do love a tense, psychological thriller.

1003
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: I'm love being scared in a way that kind of

1004
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 2: keeps me thinking. Some modern ones that I loved were

1005
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,240
Speaker 2: Crimson Peak, like Guierramo del Toro.

1006
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: Let me try that again.

1007
00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: Guierramo del Toro is always good for spooky that's not

1008
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: too gory. I really loved the orphanage, like his version

1009
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 2: of the orphanage was spooky, and Crimson Peak was kind

1010
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: of scary without too much gore. I kind of think

1011
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: The Baba Duke is pretty scary. I think it falls

1012
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: into that category, is scary without gore.

1013
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw it follows.

1014
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 2: I think they're like a couple of disturbing moments, but

1015
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 2: it's also like, the tension in that movie is mostly

1016
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: like who's gonna get it next? And I really liked

1017
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: how they built the tension and the fear without being

1018
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: too gory. There are a couple, again, a couple of

1019
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 2: moments where it feels like a little physically gory, but

1020
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: not in the way that we're used to seeing like

1021
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: fountains of blood and shit like that. So those are

1022
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: kind of my more modern cakes for that kind of thing.

1023
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, go go like Hitchcock, will

1024
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 2: ever do you wrong? Like the birds are scary?

1025
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. I mean there is an eye gouging moment,

1026
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: I guess in that, but it's not that bad, not.

1027
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 2: Compared to what we usually see where it's like I'm

1028
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 2: gonna slice on your nipples with a razor, like exactly.

1029
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 1: No, To be honest, my plan was to completely defer

1030
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: to you to answer this question because I was like

1031
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: I've been on one lately. I've been watching some really

1032
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: gnarly stuff and I'm just kind of like, I don't

1033
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 1: even know if I can answer this question right now,

1034
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,799
Speaker 1: Like something is wrong with me. I'm like, you know

1035
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: what I mean, And I'm just like, I don't know

1036
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: if you saw Barbarian, Oh God, Millie, that that one.

1037
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: I won't say anything above and beyond that what I've

1038
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: just said, because if you haven't seen it yet, it's

1039
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: best to go and completely blind. That's what I did.

1040
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: I had no idea what it was about. I thought

1041
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,760
Speaker 1: it was actually about Conan the Barbarian. I didn't realize

1042
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: it was like a horror movie. Speaking of Bill Scarsguard,

1043
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: yeah he's a creep. Yeah he's a creep, but he's

1044
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: kind of hot. Like I was like, okay, he's much

1045
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: younger than me. I think I think he's in his

1046
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: early thirties. But I was like, listen, if I dated younger.

1047
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: Guys same, you know, if I did it, Evan Peters

1048
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: would be top of the list. Bill scars Guard legitimately

1049
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 2: scares me right, and I.

1050
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 1: Had not seen him pretty much and anything beyond it,

1051
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: so I was like, oh, well, he's not penny Wise.

1052
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, who is this guy in this movie?

1053
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: And I was like, he's kind of cute, and then

1054
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, it's penny Wise, and he's related to

1055
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 1: all the other Scars guards.

1056
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: That's the thing. He's penny Wise, but he's still a

1057
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: Scars gud.

1058
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 2: There's just like a built in hot gene happening. Yeh there, So,

1059
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,680
Speaker 2: oh my god. Well, well, we will read more emails

1060
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: next time or not. Sometimes we just go hard in

1061
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: one direction. We can't take one to zero emails.

1062
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it sounds like I mean, I thankfully you

1063
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,839
Speaker 1: guys are on board. I think thank you very much

1064
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 1: for being wonder replus subscribers. We really really really appreciate it.

1065
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 1: And if you have any questions for us, I promise

1066
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: we'll answer some questions sometime. We're at I Saw What

1067
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: you Did pot at gmail dot com.

1068
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: And we might even answer your questions on the main feed.

1069
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: So still send them in because we might have a

1070
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: guest answer them. And you can also find us on

1071
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: our socials at I Saw Pot on Instagram and Twitter.

1072
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Danielle, as always, it's a fucking pleasure during

1073
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: this podcast with you. I am so glad to be home,

1074
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: and I'm so glad to see you in the flesh.

1075
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you're back. Welcome flying. I can't believe Chuck,

1076
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 2: you got to fly first class.

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Speaker 3: And you didn't. But that's another episode.

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Speaker 1: God damn it. One day. Fucking Chucky first Class.

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Speaker 3: Is the title of this Chucky flies first class.

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Speaker 1: That edge Lord flew first class and I did not

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Speaker 1: fuck mano bye.

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Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production, produced and mixed

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Speaker 2: by Casey O'Brien. Our theme song is by Tom bry Fogel,

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Speaker 2: artwork by Garrett Ross. Our executive producers are Georgia Hartstart

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Speaker 2: Caringkile Garrett and Daniel Kramer. You can follow us on

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Speaker 2: Instagram and Twitter at I Saw pod, and you can

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Speaker 2: email us at I Saw What You Did Pod at

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Speaker 2: Gmail