WEBVTT - All-Time Great Manager Buck Showalter Shares His Best Stories 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.520 Hey, everybody, and welcome to the latest edition A Dirt 0:00:02.520 --> 0:00:04.680 from the Dugout, part of the parent Dugout, which is 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:07.480 growing by leaps and bounds. In fact, by the end 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.400 of this program, Justin Mussel, we may have a new 0:00:10.480 --> 0:00:13.280 name for it. It may just be called the best 0:00:13.280 --> 0:00:15.800 show ever. I think I've heard that recently, and I 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:19.759 think that may be the direction we go. In a reminder, 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:23.239 we have a phenomenal guest tonight. His name is Buck 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.480 show Walter. He'll join us in a moment. We invite 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:30.760 you to please ask your questions through the chat. He's 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:33.440 a baseball encyclopedia. We've had a lot of those on 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:37.920 but YouTube and ex chat and justin just quickly, I'll 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:41.320 take you back to two thousand and one in Seattle. 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.040 It's the All Star Game. Buck is working with us 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:50.080 at ESPN. We are all ESPN folks gathered in a hotel. 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:53.920 It is the night before the All Star Game, so 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:56.640 it's Monday. I think this pre dated home Run, Derby's 0:00:56.720 --> 0:01:01.560 or things that we were involved in. Ordered some Chinese 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:05.560 food to the room. I got chicken in broccoli. It 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.760 was delicious. I ate it. I took a nap, I 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.440 woke up and my face and throat were swollen like 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:16.840 a blowfish. I was having an allergic reaction. I'm allergic 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.920 to shellfish. I called the restaurant. I said, I ordered 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.679 chicken and broccoli. Was there any seafood or shellfish in there? 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.160 And they said, yeah, we cook it an oyster sauce. 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:31.240 I said, oh God, that's awful. So I immediately I immediately 0:01:31.160 --> 0:01:34.560 called my teammate Buck Showalter in the hotel and said, 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:37.720 you need to take me to the hospital right away. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:41.839 And he took me to the hospital in Seattle right away. 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.920 I got adrenaline and an eppie pen and whatever else 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:49.000 they pump into you, and he and his son, who 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.320 I call Ethan, which is not his name, but I 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.520 call him Ethan anyway, they spent, you know, three to 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.400 four hours in the hospital room with me. So in 0:01:58.440 --> 0:02:01.840 a lot of ways, our guests tonight literally help save 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:05.560 my life. So I'm indebted to him forever. That's one 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:08.960 of a billion Buck show Walter stories I have for 0:02:09.000 --> 0:02:09.440 you tonight. 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.760 That is a great story, rab I had never heard 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.440 you share that one. That's that's pretty impressive, man. And 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.639 you made it, you pulled it, you pulled through for us. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.160 That's great, Buck pulled through for us. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.520 So let's uh, let's bring one of my favorite human 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.160 beings on the planet onto our show, Dirt from the 0:02:27.200 --> 0:02:30.600 Dugout and invite you all at home through the YouTube 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:34.400 and x chat to ask questions. Buck, Welcome to the 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.959 best show ever. This is Dirt from the Dugout. Where 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:42.720 our goal is, through your experiences, to help parents of 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:47.640 ball players hear what you did your journey so that 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.079 they may take some things, discard some things, but more 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:55.160 importantly learn from you about how you got to where 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:58.440 you got to. So welcome to the program. It's great 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:00.359 to see you. 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.960 Hey, Carl justin, nice to meet you. You know he 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:05.640 doesn't tell the rest of that story that Carl's a 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.200 handsome young man at that point, not that he isn't now, 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.360 but his nose, his lips, his face, his ears, what 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.320 is it? Will Smith movie remember where he took something 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:19.480 the largic reaction? My son, My son was like eight 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.240 years old. He goes, Dad, is mister Rabbit's gonna die? 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.000 And I said we better get on the move because 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:29.080 it didn't look good. But you know, there's such a 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:31.720 good This is a great exercise. You guys do I 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.560 applaud you for it. It's a I kind of shake 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:36.720 my head sometimes. You know, I don't want to be 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:38.480 the old guy on the front porch scream at the 0:03:38.560 --> 0:03:40.920 kids in the front yard. But you know, I have 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:42.760 four grandsons now and I go to a lot of 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.480 their games. And actually my wife makes me go stand 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.000 out in left field because he's afraid I'm gonna say something. 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.880 You know, I grew up in a in a especially, 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:54.400 you know, I have a great memories of my childhood 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:56.680 because you know, he's right out of the movie Sandlight. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:03:59.520 We had. You know, you got a T shirt. You 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.280 took him out as you Marky wrote your name on 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.280 the back, your number on the back of it. We 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.240 only had six guys on the team. We built our 0:04:06.240 --> 0:04:09.040 own backstop and this was we called it a Dungaree League, 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:12.320 back when East called Jeans Dunger East. And I learned 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:14.120 how to hit the ball the other way because they 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:15.840 couldn't put a guy in the left field. I was 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:18.440 left hand hitter. You know, you learn how to argue, 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.039 you learn how to make your point. If you pull 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.640 the ball too too much, the ball went in the 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:27.279 creek and the game was over. So you know, and 0:04:27.320 --> 0:04:30.600 I grew up in the area where you played football, baseball, basketball, football, 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.880 baseball basketball, one reason why I probably stayed out of trouble. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:36.640 But I also grew up in Maybury. You know, twenty 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:39.719 five hundred people. Everybody knew everybody, and it was an ideal. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.680 But you fought your fights, you know, not physically necessarily, 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:50.320 but the whole travel ball thing, it's a sore point 0:04:50.320 --> 0:04:51.520 for me, you know, when. 0:04:52.640 --> 0:04:56.320 You're suespecially covering a million subjects, and I just I 0:04:56.400 --> 0:05:00.000 just want to for me, justin growing up when when 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.479 we didn't have enough players, you actually couldn't hit it 0:05:04.520 --> 0:05:07.159 to right field because nobody's out there to get it, 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:09.480 as opposed to I'm going to hit it to right 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.400 field and I'm going to run around the bases because 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.680 there's nobody out there in right field. Did you have 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:14.960 similar situations? 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:18.240 Justin one hundred percent, we played, uh what was called 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.240 Hoggin rules. Shout out to Joe Joey conn Up and 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.240 some of the some of my boys from the sandlot 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:27.320 in baseball Park. But our role was so we would 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.000 usually we were lucky buck you got six on the team, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.839 we were lucky to get like four. And the rule 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.520 was oh yeah, oh yeah, ghost arms. We had huge 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.960 debates over center field, so that was our cutoff on 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.440 any out was like anything away, any any opposite field hit, 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:45.880 it was automatic out. So guess who grew up as 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:50.920 a big time pull hitter. Buck, It's all It's all 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.839 I did, man. But but we it's like you said, 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:55.960 you learn how to you learn how to handle things, 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.080 You learn how to talk through things. You you have 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:00.360 debates as friends and what happened, and you learn some 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.760 true like adversity stuff on the field where no other 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:06.760 parents are on to take over. But I want to 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.560 jump in on that really quick, though, Buck, because you 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:13.040 know we're not here to bash anything, to go into 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.360 the negativity around so many things in youth sports right now. 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.120 We want to lift it up. We want to be 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:21.240 the positive people at the parent dugout. We want to 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:24.280 be positive on the show. But I do want to 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:27.320 ask you this, Like you were in baseball a long time, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.360 what are some of the changes that you'd love to 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.440 see at the youth level if you could just flip 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.479 a switch and it was changed. What are some of 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.920 those things that stand out from all the stuff you've 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:39.080 watched with your grandkids? 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:44.320 Well, it can't happen, but I wish sometimes, you know, 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.360 the parents end up being the coaches because nobody else 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:48.719 is willing to do it. And if you have to 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.279 pay for a guy. And I watched one of the 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.520 travel ball teams where I know the coaches. I would 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.480 hate to see how much money some of these coaches 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:02.520 and leagues are making off these these families. And that's 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:06.120 the subject for another day. But probably the teaching of 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.919 the game alone, you know, teaching them how to have fun. 0:07:09.480 --> 0:07:12.040 You know. I took over my son's high school practice 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:13.920 one time when he was in the tenth grade. The 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:16.080 coach just said, you know what's going on. We don't 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.360 have many guys out for baseball. I said, that's your fault. 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.160 That's not their fault. Your practices, I mean, Carl, I 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:25.200 was justin I was entertaining thirty year old Major league 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.160 vectorum in spring training. I had about a twelve minute 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.640 tension span. So the next day they came out and 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.640 I said, hey, you guys don't need to stretch where 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.440 you go on. You woke up limber when you're sixteen 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.640 years old. Whoever stretched at sixteen, you know? And then 0:07:38.680 --> 0:07:40.040 I said, what do you want to do. I've always 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:41.840 wanted to play short stuff. Go play short stuff. What 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:44.120 about you? I want to catch. Put the gear on. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.240 We're going to play pushing them up as o two 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:49.880 count and I'm pitching, so we're not striking out. We're 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.600 running the bases. We're going to catch the ball. I said, coach, 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:54.480 you just had a kid stand out in left field 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.960 for an hour and a half picking his teeth during 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.720 batting practice. It's awful. But this is great game, if 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.280 you'll so to answer your question justin let's accentuate the 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:06.880 things that make it a great game instead of making 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.960 this dull drum where's my sliding pad? I saw an 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.400 eight year old kid wanting to know where sliding wristband 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.400 was or whatever. But Carl, you see it at the 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.280 Little League World Series. They're emulating what. 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:23.600 They see, no question. Yeah, there's no question. They pattern 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.320 They pattern bat flips and other things off of you know, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:30.040 major leaguers. Let me ask you this question because we've 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:33.560 had many people on this program who emphasize the fun 0:08:33.640 --> 0:08:35.600 in the game, which you just did, which is great 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.800 and we echo that for everybody. But what was your 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:43.520 first affair with the sport love? Like did you love 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.880 baseball from jump Street or did did it evolve? Did 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.199 you begin to love it as opposed to the first 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.600 few times you were there. How would you describe your 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.000 relationship with baseball when you were young. 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:58.400 Carl, I loved them all. I you know, it was 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.720 a very I was just competitive, you know, my dad 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.520 and I'm never They never pushed. They never pushed me 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.280 at anything. But they made it available to me when 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:09.080 we you know, I had three sisters. We didn't have 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:12.120 a pot to pee in. It was uh, you know, 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.960 it was pretty close ranks, but they somehow always made 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:16.880 it available. It might have been a back, you know, 0:09:16.960 --> 0:09:20.040 second hand glove or a taped up bat, but I 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:25.480 had what I needed. But I just loved, uh being 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:28.280 outside and playing with the guys and competing. 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:33.400 Yeah, and you didn't necessarily care baseball, football, soccer, basketball, tennis. 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:35.840 It just give me a ball, give me something and 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.280 we're good to go. Hey, you want to say something 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:40.880 before we get to some of the questions. 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.200 Yeah, I've got one thing. I will tell you this. 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.400 Through the years, I've become a real you know, I 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.880 look at bios a lot of players I get in 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:50.560 the big leagues, and I spent a lot of time 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:54.000 looking at the bios, and the one common denominator of 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.360 the really good players that they played multiple sports. They 0:09:57.360 --> 0:10:00.840 weren't year round baseball. There's exceptions to every thing, you know. 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.000 I asked a pitcher one time, what positions you play 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.800 when you didn't pitch? He goes, well, I didn't, I go, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.000 excuse me, that guy didn't last too long. If I 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:12.040 see guys who have played multiple sports or are well rounded, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.120 and their shoulders and elbows and knees take some time 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:18.800 off from the pounding of baseball, they're usually better player 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.120 at the major league and the college level. I want 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:22.959 those guys that have played multiple. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.880 Sports, right, yeah, great, great answer, great? All right, So, Buck, 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:29.200 the beauty of what we do here is we allow 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:33.960 our members to ask questions of you. It's great access, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.120 and then they're really good questions. So our first question 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.080 comes from Chan and he says, Buck, you know, we 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:43.400 appreciate you much for being on here. And the question 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:47.959 is what strategies do you think are essential for building 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:51.000 a successful baseball team? Not a player, because I think 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:54.000 you've shed some light on that, but strategies for building 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:56.160 a successful baseball team. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.920 Well, I think You've got to find players who matter, 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.240 that's what their teammates think. That's one thing I've always 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.720 tried to do was, you know, I was a ship 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:07.560 passing the night the way I looked at it. You know, 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:10.120 managers come and go, and the shelf life gets shorter 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.720 of head coaches and sports. But I wanted to find 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.400 guys that their pure pressure meant something to them, and 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.880 then you sup ground them with the right peers. I 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.920 was picky about picking who was around these guys. Parcels 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:26.640 had a great line years ago. You want me to 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.800 cook dinner, but you don't want to pick the groceries. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:32.520 And I worry a lot of times that guys don't 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.120 know what they're looking for. And you see it now. 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.600 But I always want to surround myself with people that 0:11:37.679 --> 0:11:38.800 wanted to please each other. 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.800 Good answer, that's really good, buck. I want to share 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:46.360 something And this is something that I wish I could 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.280 have done a little bit more. But in my time, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.400 in my time with the Brewers, one of the things 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:53.520 that I was always wanting to do is talk with 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.840 the coaching staff more about what did they want? Uh, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.560 you know, big, big part of my role completely almost 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.480 has focused on the domestic draft, and I always wanted 0:12:03.520 --> 0:12:05.400 to know, like, what what are you? What do you 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.240 guys want? What are you looking for? Do you think 0:12:08.240 --> 0:12:12.600 that's a missing link in today's game between the coaches 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.880 on the field and the front offices, because it, yeah, 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:19.400 go ahead, Buck, I. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:22.400 Just you know, I always talk about your identity. Who 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.160 are you if you've played half the season and your 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:28.040 team doesn't have an identity of what you're about. But 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:30.800 that comes from having a clear message to the scouts 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.959 in front of the coaches, this is who we are, 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.120 this is I liked it. In Baltimore. We went through 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.120 periods where we'd see a player and the guys would go, ow, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:42.720 he's a nice player, but he doesn't fit us. He's 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:45.920 not a plus defendery, not a you know, a smart 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:50.080 baseball player. So I think have an identity and letting 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:52.240 people know what you what they'd like for you to 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.560 look for. This is what we all. You know, we're 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:58.240 all looking at the same analytics. So what's the separator? 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.719 It's what you choose to wait. Maybe you wait on 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.440 base percentage, but you know what do you choose to wait? Well, 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:09.200 we choose to wait makeup defense and intelligence. You know, 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:12.679 baseball intelligence and it takes a human being to make 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:13.439 that evaluation. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.080 Yeah, so, which doesn't really doesn't require a lot of 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.320 mind reading because you know who we are, so you 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.319 don't need to really come and ask me. We like makeup, 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.240 we like defense, we want pitching, we need athletes. Good answer. 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.000 Here's a question from Don Bucky says, after spending decades 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.840 around the game, what's one thing and remember this is 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:36.960 for parents of players of all ages, is there one 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:40.320 thing you wish every baseball parent understood? 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.400 H You know, the coach doesn't get up in the morning. 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:47.280 I told the guy one time. You know, I don't 0:13:47.280 --> 0:13:48.720 get up in the morning trying to figure out a 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.240 way to to hurt you. You know, I'm really trying 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:53.880 to put the best team out on the field. I 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:57.560 may be wrong, but there's really not a vindictums about it, 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.880 and we sometimes I think we need to quit taking 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:03.200 it so seriously. It's easy for me to say, you know, 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.800 and the whole scheme of things, you know, your child. 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.840 I tell players all the time, the greatest two challenges 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.720 you're going to have just to be a good father 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:16.120 and be a good husband. And I think that impact 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:17.760 you have on that the kids will serve them a 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:22.280 lot better than whether or not something quite well in 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:23.160 a baseball game. 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.880 Yeah, yeah, and Buck, I want to I want to 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:30.600 go to ninety five. Okay, So I'm a kid, I'm 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:34.440 a huge, huge griffy guy who isn't right at that 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.680 time as a youngster, you're you're you play. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.640 I think probably probably wasn't a big griffic guy at 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:42.280 that point. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:49.920 I understand I was so bug probably in my mind, 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:54.680 one of the greatest eeries of all time. And you're 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:56.920 on the other end of that, on the losing end 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.360 of that. But I think we talk about it a 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.320 lot on here. It's the adversity, the ability to overcome 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:05.400 things and the challenges that you face. And the game 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.560 has some highs and it has some lows. What's your 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:15.120 advice for people coming, for players, coaches, parents, maybe watching listening. 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.120 What's your advice for handling that adversity? What do you 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:20.960 say when you get to the clubhouse that night after 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:26.040 that heartbreaking loss, where you know, maybe the country is 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:30.000 happy for the Mariners, right, the sort of the underdogs, 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:33.400 and you guys are the big Yankees, the big powerful Yankees. 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.560 What is that like walking into the clubhouse and how 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.560 do you handle that adversity, and what's your advice to 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.160 other people on how to handle adversity? 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:43.960 You know, looking back at that, you know, we did 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:47.040 win two games in that series, but it really was 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.080 the other way around, looking back, because they had like 0:15:49.120 --> 0:15:51.840 four or five Hall of Famers on that team, and 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.400 because they played and said a lot of people didn't know. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:58.240 And I look back on that as that helped get 0:15:58.280 --> 0:16:01.040 baseball back from where it was during the strike year. 0:16:01.080 --> 0:16:03.200 That's the first time I heard a lot of people 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:07.040 say we started loving baseball again. So that that's but 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:09.520 you know, I don't want anybody to ride that plane 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.880 from Seattle back to New York. That was tough, but 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:14.440 you know, you learn. You learn a lot of stuff 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:18.960 from that about yourself and about people and and how 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.800 fleeting everything is. Let's face it, guys. Leadership is basically 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:26.840 about defining reality. And if you define enough reality along 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:28.720 the way, you're probably going to tick off some people 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:32.200 and you're gonna be job hunting. Okay, So you know, 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:34.040 it doesn't keep you from doing the right thing, but 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.920 I just you know, you had to keep defining reality. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:41.520 It's like a father and a mother. It's tough. You 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:43.960 know my Luckily, my dad didn't want to be my pal. 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.280 He wanted to be my father, and sometimes those two 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:48.960 don't mix the same way with coaching. 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.600 I think part of that for me covering the sport 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:59.080 for that many years, that the Marinders teams of the nineties, 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.320 especially the nineties and early two thousands, they may have 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:06.439 beat the Yankees, they were probably, I think collectively the 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.280 biggest disappointment, and that they didn't win a World Series 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.080 given the talent that they had to kind of support 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.400 Buck's point about just how good you know the players were. 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.720 Here's one from Danny Buck says you joined the Diamondbacks 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:24.600 twenty eight months before they ever played a game. I remember, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:28.440 I remember being there for the expansion draft. But the 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:32.520 question is what's it like building something completely from scratch, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.400 no players, no history, no fan base. And I think 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:41.560 the story that you tell about the decision you made 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.720 in New York with regards to your coaches and taking 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:50.480 a new contract or not which led you to Arizona 0:17:51.080 --> 0:17:54.159 is as good a story that you can tell. But 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:56.760 answer the question and then maybe if you want combine 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.880 the two of them, because that was a justin Buck 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.760 had to make a really big decision which led him 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:03.440 to Arizona. 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.080 Well, basically, it came down to mister Steinburn and wanted 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.600 to fire four of my coaches. I never complained about 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.960 We all knew the job description in New York. I'd 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.040 been there nineteen years, so people didn't want to hear 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.320 you complain about it, and it just you know, you 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.240 were working on a day to day contract. But I 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.600 knew that I couldn't set foot in the locker room 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.880 and look those players in the face, knowing I'd given 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.160 up four great coaches who ended up having thirty year careers. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.000 So we took them to Arizona. But if someone called 0:18:30.000 --> 0:18:31.240 me and said, hey, we'd like for you do the 0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:36.080 expansion lead the expansion deal again, I'd go almost died 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.639 out there. I have never worked hard in my life. 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:44.600 Those two years off the field. I'm talking about minor leagues, Japan, Korea, Venezuela, 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:49.960 Dominican Republic, Cuba, you name it. We were everywhere the scouting, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.560 the expansion drafts and getting on this field in spring training. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:55.919 You know, our first spring training was in you, Arizona, 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.240 because there have been to you Arizona in the spring pool. Baby, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.679 but you know you know. We had to design the 0:19:02.720 --> 0:19:07.399 Tucson Complex, the Springtran Complex, designed the locker room, everything, 0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:11.400 put the scouting department together and the player development, and 0:19:11.600 --> 0:19:14.040 it was a great education for me. Luckily, I brought 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:16.080 a lot of that with me from New York. But 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:19.480 it was a challenge. It was a challenge, but one 0:19:19.480 --> 0:19:22.120 that I'm very proud of what we accomplished. I think 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:25.200 we had the biggest turnaround in baseball history the ninety 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:28.119 nine season and took a lot of pridet I was 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:31.040 with Carl the night that the Diamondbacks beat the Yankees. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.040 I was out in the left field and walked back 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.359 to my hotel listening to the diamonback fans after Game seven, 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.720 realizing I lost my Navy d out in Arizona. I 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:46.000 carried it with me, but I kind of lost it there. 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:50.840 Said yeah, well, Buck didn't win a World Series. But 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.320 the truth was Buck won a few World Series in. 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.520 My opinion, yep, well yeah, yeah, Buck. What is that 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.120 like to work so hard for so long and the 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:04.920 pinnacle is what you do it for, right? Obviously it's 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:07.680 the relationships and the other things that you think about later, 0:20:08.119 --> 0:20:09.960 but when you're in it, the whole goal is to 0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:13.119 win at all. Yeah, is there do you feel that 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:14.760 missing piece from your career? 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.840 No, I don't. You know, that's a good question. I don't. 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.480 I feel for I feel good for other people. You know, 0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.000 life's too short. You know, Joe Tory got exposed to 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:27.879 what a good baseball guy he was. You know, I 0:20:27.920 --> 0:20:30.600 look at a lot of things that happened with Ron Washington, 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:36.200 for instance, and yeah, it just you know, things happen 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.480 for a reason. I don't dwell on it, and I'm 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:41.240 just glad that some other things happened well. And I've 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:44.640 been completely lucky and honored to be in this game 0:20:44.640 --> 0:20:46.320 for a long time. It's been very good to me 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:48.960