1 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: If you want Colts Talk all year long, you're in 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: the right place. This is the Official Colts Podcast, giving 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: you an updated look at what's new with the Horseshoes. 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 1: Gets up the tailor, he said touch down, why fires 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: out way from the call, Terius letting at the five 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: yard line, plants in the pocket, the Colts bringing down 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: a sack Pandian Appolis steps up in the Antony throws 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: y go pifan touchdown from the Power Home Solar Studio. 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: Let's get the podcast started. Everyone, Welcome into another edition 10 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: of the Colt's Official Podcast, presented by win Bat. I'm 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: JJ Stenkovitz in the host chair for our jet setting 12 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: friend Jeffrey Gorman again this week. On today's pod, I'm 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:48,279 Speaker 1: joined by Lara Overton and Matt Taylor as we take 14 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: a couple of lessons from Super Bowl fifty six and 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: then start looking ahead to the off season. You can 16 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: follow Lara on Twitter at Lara Overton, Maytey on Twitter 17 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: at Maytey Colts and me on Twitter at JJ Stenkovitz 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: and good luck spelling that name. Before we start, please rate, review, 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: and subscribe to the Colts Audio Network because you're gonna 20 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: want to turn on your notifications because we're gonna have 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: a couple of bonus podcasts coming up this week. Those 22 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: episodes of Overtime will be landing in your podcast feeds, 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: won't they, Lara, It certainly will be. And a couple 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: of guys who had experiences out in La over the 25 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: NFL honors and for Super Bowl weekend gonna join us. 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: Coming up, we'll here from colts Walter Peyton, Man of 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: the Year, Kenny Moore the second on what was certainly 28 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: a special few days for him. Yeah. Absolutely, So keep 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: an eye out for those podcasts coming into your feed 30 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: later this week, guys. The NFL schedules hilarious, Like the 31 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,119 Speaker 1: super Bowl wrapped up what feels like three hours ago, 32 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: and the NFL Combine starts in two weeks. Like I mean, 33 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: there is there is no break. There is no slow 34 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: period of the news cycle right now, so there's gonna 35 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: be plenty to talk about. And matey, hey, free agency 36 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: starts in one month, one month from when we are 37 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: podding the legal negotiating period opens, so good if you're 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: trying to get a break, wait until I don't know 39 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 1: June to get one. Yeah, that's my favorite thing about 40 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: the the NFL is just when you think, all right, 41 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl's done, they're going to disappear from the 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: sports calendar, and basketball and March Madness will take over 43 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: and those things due to degree, but the NFL just 44 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: never goes away completely. It's always kind of top of mine. 45 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I remember watching some March Madness basketball games 46 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 1: and then on the bottom line, right, you have the scroll, 47 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: you just see what NFL teams are doing in terms 48 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: of blockbuster moves and free agency, and that kind of 49 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: takes over and you guys are exactly right, things are 50 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: about to heat up. You got the scouting combine coming 51 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: up the first weekend of March, you got free agency 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: March sixteenth, you got the Draft at the end of April. So, 53 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: I mean, the NFL is just the beast that never sleeps. 54 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: And that's why this league is so popular because there's 55 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: a tent pole event, if you will, every couple of 56 00:02:57,600 --> 00:02:59,399 Speaker 1: weeks in the offseason. And so you get the bout 57 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 1: to June, and then once you know the mandatory mini 58 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: camps are over, things kind of die down a little bit, 59 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: but then we all know what's coming in, you know, 60 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: four or five weeks after that with training camp. So 61 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: it's as we all know, it's a really really important 62 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: intriguing off season for the Colts because they've got a 63 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: lot of cap space. I think they're in the top 64 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: you know seven or eight in terms of money to 65 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: spend this offseason in terms of free agency. But they 66 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: don't have that first round pick, you know, that was 67 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: part of the package for Carson Wentz. They could get 68 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 1: some you know, some compensatory picks later in the deal, 69 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: depending on how things go. But I mean, this is 70 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: a really important period of time. It goes without saying 71 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: right now, between you know, now and and May, if 72 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: you will, you know, Chris Ballard, Frank Ryank, Jim Ursy, 73 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna be busy and they're gonna have to try 74 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: to erase that that stain, that bad taste of missing 75 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: the playoffs, those bad two games to end the season 76 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: against the Raiders and the Jaguars, and you know, come 77 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: up with a plan, come up with the formula to 78 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: get the Colts back to a playoff contender. It's a 79 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: really intriguing time right now, There's no question about it. 80 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: And that's why again, you know, the offseason in the 81 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: NFL is basically like a season unto itself. I mean, 82 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: you guys know that with the analytics and the popularity 83 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: of the articles and the content that you guys produce, 84 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that are more interested, are 85 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: just as interested in this time a year in the 86 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: NFL than you know, playing games in the month of October, November, 87 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: and December. So, okay, I didn't put this in the 88 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: podcast Rundown today, guys, because I wanted to get your 89 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: honest guesses. May tell, you're talking about the Super Bowl, 90 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: and you know how the NFL is king and all that. 91 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,919 Speaker 1: I want each of you to guess how many people 92 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: do you think watch the Super Bowl across all platforms? 93 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 1: I was just gonna go, I've got it pulled up 94 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: over here. That's where I was gonna go. All right, 95 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: I've cheated already. May tell, what's your guests, if you 96 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: haven't seen it already across all platforms? Yes, I'll say 97 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million, okay, close, Yeah, one hundred 98 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: and twelve point three million viewers. That's up fourteen percent 99 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: over last year's Super Bowl. The NFL is king, I mean, 100 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: that's why you know how many how many of those 101 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: people were really there? For the halftime show though, Like 102 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: it was like they really didn't care about the game 103 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 1: at all. But they're like if we're bringing Snoop and 104 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: Doctor Dre back then and Eminem and Mary Jay. I 105 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: am there, like I'm gonna watch the football, yeah, but 106 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: I am dialed in because the Super Bowl party I 107 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: was at, people were kind of running around like checking 108 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: in on the game. I mean I was locked in 109 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: watching it. But it's the majority of people, you know, 110 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: watch for a few plays and to go to commercial 111 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: walk away whatever, But like everyone stopped for a halftime show. 112 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: You like gave all the kids the iPads because you're like, yeah, 113 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: this is the time, say we had the same thing. 114 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 1: We had a bunch of kids over um and like 115 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: halftime comes on and it's just like everyone be quiet, 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: Like everyone like all the all the mommies and daddies 117 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: were respect When when Doctor Dre got on the piano, 118 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: I just like got out of my seat and I 119 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: just started like running around like a maniac because like, 120 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: this is the greatest Super Bowl halftime show I've ever seen. 121 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: Does everyone agree here, matey? Do you have any descent 122 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: on this? There was a tweet that said halftime should 123 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: be promoted to full time and I like so well played. 124 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 1: So wait wait, I know your your tastes are more 125 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: in the classic rock arena. Yeah what what what did 126 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: you think? I thought it was fantastic. I really did. 127 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: I mean, uh, like you said, it's it's really not 128 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: my cup of tea. But that that being said, it 129 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean I can't appreciate it, you know. I mean, 130 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of a Fleetwood Mac or 131 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Springsteen, but it doesn't mean I don't 132 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: recognize their talent. Same thing with this, I mean, these 133 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: guys changed, you know, entire generation of hip hop and 134 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: rap and no. So I'm not gonna pretend here and 135 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: give you some facts that I just don't know. I mean, 136 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: I'm not going to be privy to you know, their 137 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: career and what you know, impact they've had on on 138 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: music for those that are in the you know, twenty 139 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: five to forty ish age bracket, you know, which was 140 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: so popular with this period of time in music. But 141 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean, Snoop Dog, you can definitely appreciate his contribution. 142 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,720 Speaker 1: I thought Eminem was really really fantastic. Um so no, 143 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: I mean I had no issue with the halftime show. 144 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: I thought it was entertaining and fun um, and that's 145 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: that's really what you're going for for a halftime show. 146 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: You want it to be upbeat, energetic, and you just 147 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: want people to have fun and sing along with the fall, 148 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: you know what. That's really what's your going You know 149 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: what I loved about it. They were like no frills, 150 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: it was it wasn't there weren't these Yeah, they were 151 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: like dancing on shipping containers. Yes, it wasn't. It wasn't 152 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: like a grand production, yeah, Like it was just it 153 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: was about the music to your point. To your point, JJ, 154 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: what I liked was it just seems like it's it's 155 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: just so over the top with production and lighting and 156 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: lasers and all of these different things. One of the 157 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 1: things that I thought about after watching the halftime show. 158 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, it was in Los Angeles. It was still 159 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: light out, there was still sunlight coming into the stadium, 160 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: so it was hard to kind of get that effect, 161 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: which I thought was good. It was refreshing that you 162 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: could actually see, you know, the field instead of trying 163 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: to make it look like a theater, which we have, 164 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, tried to to do um on an NFL. 165 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: You know, football field at halftime all these year. So 166 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: from that standpoint, I liked it simplicity, and I liked 167 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: how you know they used the kiss method if you 168 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: will um with the halftime shop and them. Yeah, I 169 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: went Jeane Simmons for a second, and I was like, 170 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: what is it. I know we just had Valentine's Day, 171 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: Lara and your birthday, but take it easy, this is 172 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: a friend podcast, Lara. What was your What was your 173 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: favorite song that got played during halftime? Oh? California Love? 174 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? That was great? Yeah, and I'm 175 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: glad that there was no Tupac Hologram. I know I 176 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: mentioned I was wondering what was going to happen with that. Yeah, yeah, 177 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: California Love brought it down. Also, like I kind of 178 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: liked the Eminem like went away for a while and 179 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: now because had somewhat of a resurgence, like I was 180 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: not Eminem's beard. Yeah, it's great. Yeah, I know. I 181 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 1: was very very pleased all around all around. Please with 182 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: the outcome, Please with the play of the game. I 183 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: actually tweeted out I was hoping it was going to 184 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: overtime because I just wanted a couple more minutes of 185 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: NFL playoff football because is not just like Super Bowl, 186 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: but all of the playoffs, these playoff games, this whole 187 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: playoff period, this what four weeks or so that we 188 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: have had has just been outstanding and it's been you know, 189 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: very dramatic, and it's been so much fun. So yeah, 190 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping just to see, mate, how 191 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: see how confident he wasn't his pick of Evan McPherson. 192 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: I was hope we go to a little ot field 193 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: goal scenario. Maybe never got off the line, the offensive 194 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: line didn't protect. We hold on before we go any further, Lara, 195 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: you mentioned you enjoyed the game. You enjoyed the game 196 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: because you nailed your prediction that we did in the 197 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: podcast last week. So the floor is yours, Lara. It 198 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: was your birthday yesterday. This is the birthday present from 199 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: the Cult Official Podcast to Lara. Go ahead and brag. Uh, guys. 200 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: The thing is, it's not like I really you know, 201 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: had to reach from my pick of Cooper Cup as 202 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: the MVP. The guy has won everything. Yeah, the guy 203 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: has won every awarding eligible four I think right. Like 204 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: So anyway, yes, I was feeling really good. I was 205 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: texting both of you guys. I was like, I like 206 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: where I'm going with this. I was a little overestimated 207 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: on what I thought the final score would be. But 208 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: I did pick the Rams, and I did pick Cooper 209 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: Cup as the MVP. If nothing more than just for 210 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: bragging rights, it was all worth it. But yeah, guys, 211 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: it's really not like it was such such a bolder, risky, 212 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: sexy prediction on my behalf because that guy cleaned up 213 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: between you know, all the NFL honors and you know 214 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,959 Speaker 1: all of the different you know, season records, you know 215 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: that he got. Yeah, I'm yeah, I felt pretty good 216 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: about it, pretty happy with the outcome. So yeah, I 217 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: gets to rain bragging rights until we have another, you 218 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: know segment where we're all pontificating on what we think 219 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: is is going to be what the outcomes are going 220 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: to be. But yeah, well done, Cooper Cup. Also, like 221 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford, how are you not happy for that guy? Like, 222 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: I know, like we got a lot of Bengals fans 223 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: around here, rightfully so, But for a guy who's been 224 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 1: through so much within the NFL across the league, has 225 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: had the crew that he's had to come out on top, 226 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: I think was really cool. To see that moment of 227 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: him on the field with his daughters down there playing 228 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: in the confetti like the most wholesome thing. Well and 229 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: same for Aaron Donald. I mean, you know, now there 230 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: are all there are all these rumors that he might 231 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: hang it up because what else is there left for 232 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald to accomplish, you know, and seeing him with 233 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: his daughters. I read a story over the weekend that 234 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: he promised his daughter, his oldest daughter, that she would 235 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: get to play in confetti before the Super Bowl, the 236 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen Super Bowl, and now he gets to do it. Um. Look, 237 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: I you know, we don't want to go totally go 238 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: down this road, but I just have to say, if 239 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald hangs it up, I mean, we're talking about 240 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: one of the five greatest defensive players of all time 241 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion. But I want to I want to 242 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 1: start kind of with that where we're talking about the 243 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: Rams team building. That's something we wanted to dive into 244 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 1: here because it is interesting as you start, as we 245 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: start now looking ahead to twenty two and how teams 246 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: around the NFL, the Colts will build their roster the Rams. Matt, Matt, 247 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: You've you've talked about this a little bit, but the 248 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: Rams went They've gone the other direction. A lot of 249 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: teams in just sacrificing draft picks. It started trading a 250 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: first rounder for Brandon Cooks a couple of years ago, 251 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: then two first rounders for Jalen Ramsey, then two first 252 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: rounders Sir Matthew Stafford, a couple of second rounders for 253 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: Von miller Um. They have gone the route of we 254 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: are getting top quality players and we are not. We're 255 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: just not going to make draft picks. Essentially, what do 256 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: you think when you look at how the Rams built 257 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: their roster to go win the Super Bowl? What lessons 258 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: are you taking away from that that you think some 259 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: other teams around the NFL might be taking. Well, I 260 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: think the biggest thing is there's there's different ways to 261 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: skin a cat um. And you know, to steal a 262 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Speaker 1: line from Rick Venturry, you know when we played the 263 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: Rams back in Week two. You know, Rick and I 264 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: every week we get together to do that Inside Football podcast, 265 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: and Rick basically just and kind of takes over and 266 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: goes through the x's and oh's, and to steal a 267 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: line from him, he said, the Rams are the anti 268 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: Christ of the Colts. You know, because the Colts want 269 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: to build to the draft and develop players and you know, 270 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: resign their own whereas you know, the Rams they just 271 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: want they want proven players right now. And there's different 272 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: ways to go about it. But you know, the draft 273 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's just it's kind 274 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: of a crapshoot. You know, you're betting on players. You 275 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: know what what how how good you think they will be? 276 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: You know how you know where you pick a player 277 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: is depending on you know, how much you value a 278 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: guy and how much potential he has. Right But with 279 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: the Rams, they want proven players right now that have 280 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: no there's no learning curve. They're proven players in the 281 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: sense that they're getting the job done on Sundays and 282 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: they've proven they can play in the NFL as compared 283 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: to a great, great college player who's proven he can 284 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: win on Saturdays and the SEC or the Big Ten 285 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: or what have you. Like. You said, the Rams turn 286 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: going to have a first round pick too, until you 287 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:07,079 Speaker 1: know twenty twenty four, you know whatever it is. And listen, 288 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: the Rams might fall off a cliff, right they may 289 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: they may not make the playoffs. You know that the 290 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: players that they've traded for that they were going all 291 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: in last season, and this season with they might fall 292 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 1: off in terms of production, they might get old real quick, 293 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: and they may not make the playoffs next year or 294 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: the year after that, and they might not snip another 295 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You know, in this era if you will, 296 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: what the players they have, and then you might ask yourself, 297 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 1: was it worth it? And I think the answer has 298 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: to be probably yes, because yeah, right, and you're seeing 299 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: the last couple of seasons, the last two winners of 300 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl have made really you know, daring and bold, 301 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: courageous moves. You know, you go back to the Buccaneers 302 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: with Tom Brady that was bold, and then obviously this 303 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: year with you know, the number of players the Rams 304 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: have acquired um and the draft picks they gave up 305 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: to get those guys. You've got teams like the Olts, 306 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: teams like the Bengals that have drafted well, they've been 307 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: smart and free agency, they've they've done the right things 308 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: in terms of bringing in guys to compliment the roster. Well, Listen, 309 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: I think the Colts roster honestly from top to bottom, 310 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: Like if you're just talking one to fifty three, I 311 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: think the Colts roster is probably deeper than the Rams. 312 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: But the Rams have and Layer's gonna roll a eye 313 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: at this because I've been saying it for six months, 314 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: but the Rams have great players at premium positions, premier 315 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: players at premium positions. If I had a dollar for 316 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: every time, if you're talking about the most important positions 317 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: on any NFL team, the Rams have a top five 318 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: player in the NFL at those spots, right quarterback, defensive end, 319 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: defensive tackle with Aaron Donald. And really, Donald's just like 320 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: this hybrid guy that can play anywhere. He can play 321 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: nose tackle, three tach, he can play on the outside 322 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: at defensive end. Jalen Ramsey. You know, Ramsey had an 323 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: up and down Super Bowl, but he's still a great player, 324 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: right down on that last play where he was literally 325 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: down where he just fell, but you get what I'm saying, 326 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: Like his body of work is is pretty pretty solid. 327 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: H Cooper Cup. You know they made a bold moved 328 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: again in uh you know Odell Beckham Junior. So you know, 329 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: I think that's the question a team like the Colts, 330 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: a lot of teams in the NFL are asking themselves 331 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: this offseason, you know, what do we need to do 332 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: to win in these playoffs. Modern day NFL football, do 333 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: we have to make bold moves to get again premium 334 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: players at premium positions in order to have a chance 335 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: at the super Bowl. And while the Rams have certainly 336 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: gone all in with those you know, big whether it's 337 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, trades or free agents, whatever it might be, 338 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: and they have made those quote unquote splash moves, they 339 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: have also done well with the guys they have drafted 340 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: and developed them. I mean, Aaron Donald was a first 341 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: round pick by them, Cooper Cup was a third round pick. 342 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: Bryson Hopkins guy who stepped up, he was a fourth 343 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: rounder back in twenty twenty, had big shoes to fill 344 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: when Tyler Higbee, you know, went down. And so when 345 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: you look at this, this is a I was going 346 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: through an article that Dan Graziana wrote just in preparation 347 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: for this kind of looking into Yes, we all want 348 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 1: to know there is a lot to be said for 349 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: a rightfully, so the move to get Stafford and Ramsey 350 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,400 Speaker 1: and Odell and the different guys who you can put 351 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: in that conversation. You know, since mcmah got there in 352 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, they've made forty five picks in rounds two 353 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 1: through seven. That's more than any team over the past 354 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: five years besides the Minnesota Vikings. So their current roster 355 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: has twenty nine of their own draft picks on it. 356 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,640 Speaker 1: That rank's top ten in the league. So their whole strategy, yes, 357 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: is exactly as Matt was saying, premier players at premium positions. 358 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: But then it's also hitting on those later picks when 359 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: you have them. Okay, we don't have first round picks, 360 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: how pivotal are your two, three, four round, those second, third, 361 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: fourth round picks, and then your ability to do developed 362 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: those guys, and Cooper cup is a perfect testament to that. 363 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald's a testament to that. Yes, he's a guy 364 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: who came in with big expectations, but the longevity, the 365 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: level at which he has played consistently over a period 366 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: of time, and let's be honest, he set the standard 367 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: for that organization too. They would not be in a 368 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 1: position to go out and grab these other, you know, 369 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: big high profile guys around it if you didn't have 370 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: a center of that team with Aaron Donald. To me, 371 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: although Cooper Cup is you know, your Super Bowl MVP, 372 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: and certainly Stafford should get a lot of credit. I 373 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: think that Aaron Donald is the MVP of your organization 374 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: because he's the one who put this team on the map. 375 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: He's the one they bolt around. He's the one, you know, 376 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: one of those big carryover guys from when they were 377 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: there just a few years ago with Jared Goffett quarterback, 378 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,200 Speaker 1: and a big reason for that was because of their 379 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: defense thing. I mean, Aaron Donald. It's crazy to remember 380 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: he was not a top ten pick. There are a 381 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: lot of teams that passed on Aaron Donald in the 382 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: twenty thirteen fourteen draft because he was a six foot 383 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: defensive tackle and oh yeah, his athletic testing numbers or 384 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 1: nuts and he was just a monster a pit But 385 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: now he's a six foot tackle, so you know what, 386 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: what what use do we have for him? The Rams 387 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: drafted him, it was a long time. They were in 388 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,280 Speaker 1: Saint Louis, and they were in Saint Louis for a 389 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: couple of years before, you know with Aaron Donald. But 390 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Layer. I also, I mean, for my money, 391 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: he should have been Super Bowl MVP. Sorry to your guy, 392 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, but that play that he made at the 393 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: end of the game where Sean McVay on the sideline 394 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: there's the clip of you know, Donald's gonna make a play, 395 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: He's gonna end the game. Then he does that. I 396 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: mean that dude again, if he does hang it up, 397 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: if he does walk away, I will be sad because 398 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,239 Speaker 1: we won't get to watch Aaron Donald anymore. And it's 399 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: nice that he's in another conference and we only have 400 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: to face him once every four years. But man, I mean, 401 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: what a what a player, what a just in a unique, 402 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: a truly unique presence on a defense for what he 403 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: does and what he did to you know not he 404 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 1: didn't get all seven of those sacks against the Bengals, 405 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: but he had a hand and in quite a few 406 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: of them because of what he does in the interior 407 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,719 Speaker 1: that defense. Well, I want to say one thing, and 408 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: just to double back to our conversation about the roster building. 409 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I want to I want to make one 410 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: thing clear again. There's there's different ways to go about this. 411 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: There's different ways of skin a cat. When you talk 412 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: about putting a Super Bowl contending team together, and to 413 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: the Colts credit, I think there's somewhere in the middle. 414 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,399 Speaker 1: I think they're a blend of wanting to build through 415 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: the draft and and also kind of taking out those 416 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: bold approaches you know, teams like the Buccaneers and the 417 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: Rams have used. I mean, DeForest Buckner wouldn't be here 418 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: if not for a bold move, right, I mean, that's 419 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,439 Speaker 1: what you're going for. You mean, sometimes it's okay to 420 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: give up draft picks for guys that you know are 421 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: proven that play at a very high level in the NFL. 422 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, the Carson Wentz trade was a bold move. 423 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: And instead of picking up you know, you know, you're 424 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: picking whatever the Cults were picking last year in the 425 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 1: draft in the twenties, mid twenties, you know, and picking up, 426 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: you know, a quarterback that it's probably not a top 427 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: five quarterback in the draft. Last year at that spot, 428 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: the Colts went out and got Carson Wentz, a guy 429 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: that they have seen perform at a high level at 430 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: times in the NFL. So that's a bold move too. 431 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: Buckner's a bold move. So the Colts are somewhere in 432 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 1: the middle. I'm not trying to downplay the importance of 433 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: the draft. In fact, I'm going the other way with them. 434 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: I mean, the draft is the absolute lifeblood of the NFL. 435 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 1: You have to draft well, no matter where you're picking 436 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 1: in order to succeed and put a viable roster together. 437 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: But I think the biggest question again to double back, 438 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,679 Speaker 1: that teams are asking themselves this offseason to look at 439 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: the last couple of Super Bowl winners. You know, they 440 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: have great quarterbacks, great passing games, great receivers. You know, 441 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,239 Speaker 1: how much of that do we need to replicate in 442 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: order to win big going forward? And I think you know, 443 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,120 Speaker 1: the Colts obviously are asking themselves a lot of those 444 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: questions this off season. Right what are we going to 445 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: do a quarterback? What do we have to do at 446 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: left tackle? I failed to mention left tackle. I think 447 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: Whittworks is still a really good player at his position 448 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: for the Rams. You know, is t why Hilton coming 449 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: back in free agency? That the Colts have enough playmaking 450 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: ability at wide receiver? Do they have enough depth that 451 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: edge rusher to get after the quarterbacks? So these are 452 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: unfortunately a lot of those questions are still kind of 453 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: lingering from last offseason into this offseason. So I just 454 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: think it's a really really interesting time right now, in 455 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,479 Speaker 1: a challenging time. Quite frankly for Chris Ballard and frank right, well, 456 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: what can you pick up from the Bengals. Then if 457 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: we're looking at a team that almost won the Super Bowl, 458 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: I mean was you know, yes, the offensive line. It's 459 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: hard to win a Super Bowl when you get sacked 460 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: seven times. But they also won the turnover margin by 461 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: two turnovers. I mean that those two things don't usually 462 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 1: go together. The way the Bengals built their roster is fascinating, 463 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's a little less replicable because 464 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: their roster was, you know it, you're not going to 465 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: find a Joe Burrow Jamar Chase Combo maybe ever again 466 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: for that those guys to be available in the draft 467 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,679 Speaker 1: in the top five and two consecutive years and you 468 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: can get them college teammates coming to the NFL. But 469 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 1: the way and they almost weren't college teammates, wasn't initially 470 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: at LSU. So I mean a lot of factors had 471 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,359 Speaker 1: to come into play for that exactly exactly. But the 472 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: way they built their defense is really interesting because they 473 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: went out and they I mean they have like three 474 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: guys I think they drafted on their defense and that's it, 475 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: Jesse Bates, Logan Wilson, and one other guy, uh Sam 476 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 1: Hubbard on that defense. The rest of that defense they 477 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 1: brought in through free agency. You know, Trey Hendrickson, DJ Reader, 478 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: Mike Hilton, shoudobe a woozier those guys, and it's it 479 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: was an interesting way to go about it of spending 480 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: really heavily on that side of the ball. I'm not 481 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: sure how many lessons we can really take away from 482 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: the Bengals, because again, that team, the engine of that 483 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: team is so unique and so rare to get it. 484 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: But you know, I'll kind of throw it out to you, guys, 485 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: is there anything that you learned about team building how 486 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: to get to a Super Bowl from the Bengals? Just 487 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: the one thing I took just real quick is that 488 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: ability to be flexible in a game. I mean, the 489 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: Bengals don't make the Super Bowl if they don't put 490 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,920 Speaker 1: together one of the best defensive game plans over thirty 491 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: minutes against Patrick Holmes in the AFC Championship, you know, 492 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: to confuse him, shut him down in that second half. 493 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: But from a roster building standpoint, again, as we kind 494 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: of look ahead to the combine and free agency, I 495 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm looking too much to the Bengals 496 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: for a you know, lessons, I guess, But is there 497 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: anything you guys, you know stood out anything stood out 498 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: to you guys, Well for me, I mean, the Bengals 499 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: are kind of tricky, you know, to to replicate, like 500 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 1: you said, JJ, because those key parts on all offense, 501 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: you've got to be really, really bad for a really 502 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 1: long time to get guys like Joe Burrow and jimbar 503 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,639 Speaker 1: Chase like those are two what top five draft picks, 504 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 1: and so guys like that. I mean, the Colts are 505 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: not going to be knock on wood. I mean picking 506 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: in the top five anytime soon. I mean, the roster, 507 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: regardless of foot places quarterback next year, their roster's too 508 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 1: good to town led across the board outside of that 509 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: one really key important position to go. You know, four 510 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: in you know, whatever the math is now four in 511 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: thirteen gonna throw us off forever. There's a reason there's 512 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: a reason I don't do math in publicum. But at 513 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: any rate, you get what I'm saying, and just kind 514 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: of looking at the Bengals from the outside, and I 515 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: don't pretend to be a Bengals you know, insider, like 516 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: a beat writer. But the Bengals this past year kind 517 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: of started acting like an NFL team because for a 518 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: while they were really loyal to their free agents and 519 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: their draft picks to a fault, and it was almost like, hey, 520 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 1: if you if you signed with the Bengals for four years, 521 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: you're gonna play out that four year contract. Doesn't matter, right, 522 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: They're gonna be loyal to you and they're gonna play 523 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: you out no matter how you're playing. Please go ahead. 524 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, you're not drinking not being all in. 525 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 1: I think you're drinking the Skyline chili there, mister Cincinnati 526 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: red leg Well, I'm just saying, I mean, they had 527 00:25:56,840 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: a lot of guys that just really underperformed and they 528 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: didn't do anything about it traditionally, and this past year 529 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 1: they started cutting guys that have been longtime Bengals and 530 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 1: they were way more active this pass off season and 531 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: free agency than they've ever been. To JJ's point, I mean, 532 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: DJ Reader was a huge addition to that defensive line, 533 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,479 Speaker 1: Hilton Hendrickson. So they made some really big moves, you know, 534 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: for the Bengals anyways, to bolster that defense, which is 535 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: a big reason why they were able to kind of 536 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: make the run that they did. But listen, they can 537 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: do all of those things and they can be better 538 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: in a lot of key spots. But you know, I 539 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: talked to Peter King about this last week when we 540 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: had them on the show The Last Word last Friday, 541 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: and it really doesn't matter, you know, unless they have 542 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow. I mean, Joe Burrow is that good? And 543 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: this is kind of a bigger picture take on it, JJ, 544 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: but I mean, this is this is why it's such 545 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: an intriguing offseason for the Colts because the AFC is 546 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: so freaking stacked. It's so loaded with elite level quarterbacks 547 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 1: who were all twenty six years old and younger. So 548 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: none of these teams that played in the divisional round 549 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: of the AFC, you know, those teams aren't going anywhere. 550 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: In fact, they're only going to get better, you know, 551 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: with the more experience of these guys get I mean, 552 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: Josh Allen, I mean, what can you say about that guy? 553 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: We know about Patrick Mahomes, you know, we know about 554 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,920 Speaker 1: Herbert and with a la Jackson, Yeah, Lamar Jackson, who's 555 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 1: one to think an MVP already? You know, we forget 556 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: about him. So it's just crazy to think that in 557 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: the last two years, the last twenty four months, the 558 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: NFL has lost guys like Eli Manning and Tom Brady 559 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,160 Speaker 1: at Ben Roethlisberger and Philip Rivers kind of the old guard. 560 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: The last guy standing is Aaron Rodgers, and he doesn't 561 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: have all that much time to play, I don't think. 562 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: But the NFL has just replaced these guys and it 563 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,119 Speaker 1: hasn't mattered. These guys are still the face of the 564 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 1: league in short order. And unfortunately, again, most of these 565 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: guys play in the AFC, where it's gonna be tough 566 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 1: sledding for the Colts. And that's why they have to push, 567 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: push the right buttons and right and make the right 568 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: moves this offseason to compete with those teams that I 569 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 1: think have you long long term staying power. Well, the 570 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: NFL is all about adapting and growing and finding answers 571 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: for new challenges that come up. It's like good that 572 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: starts in two weeks. It starts in two weeks, you know. 573 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 1: It's I think about like what Gus Bradley told us 574 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 1: when we had them on that episode overtime last week, Lara, 575 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: You're always trying to be a year ahead, and that 576 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: is that is always the challenge for a team, for 577 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: a coaching staff is you never want to be a 578 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: year behind, you want to be a year ahead. And yeah, 579 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: it's there is going to be a lot to talk about, 580 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: a lot to get into as we move ahead to 581 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: the NFL Combine again in two weeks, Like the NFL 582 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: Combines in two weeks, and this might be the last 583 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: one that we see here in Indy for quite a while. 584 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: So you know, the conversations of La and Dallas. So 585 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: enjoy it while we got in the backyard. Boys, I'm 586 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: looking forward, you know, even it's weird now that I 587 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: live here, Like I used to come to the Combine 588 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: and it was like a week of just like heavy eating. 589 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just saying Elmo's Harry and Izzy's prom 590 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: I'm just eating like constantly, just dinner every night out 591 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: really nice food, having a couple of glasses of wine 592 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: or you know whatever. It is going to high velocity. 593 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: And now I'm like, oh, I live here, I can 594 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: just go home. This is great. I can go sleep 595 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: in my own bed every night. You know, I love 596 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: the Combine. I'm looking forward to it being back, and 597 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't leave Indianapolis. I know, I know 598 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: it's a great week. Excited for it to be back. 599 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: We'll certainly have all of our with the Next Pick 600 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: coverage as well starting up soon as we're talking about 601 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: building for the draft, we will have our with the 602 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: Next Pick series back this spring, so that's something to 603 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: look forward to as well from Coles Product. I know 604 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 1: we're already we're you're already doing stuff for that, Lara, 605 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: So looking forward to that, and I'm looking forward to 606 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: the next time we do this podcast absolutely mate. Thank 607 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us, dropping all the knowledge 608 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 1: and allowing me to gloat a little bit on you know, 609 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: really going out on a limb to nail my Super 610 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: Bowl MVP pick. Yeah, you sure did. You went right 611 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: up to the edge of the cliff there, Lara Man. Yeah, 612 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: larastradamas and now Lara's cup runneth over Oh and on 613 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: that note, we are going to get out of here. 614 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: On the Colts Official Podcast presented by wind Beat for 615 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: Lara Overton and Matt Taylor. I'm JJ Stankovitz. Remember turn 616 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: on those notifications and subscribe to the Colts Audio Network 617 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 1: for a couple episodes of overtime coming up this week, 618 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: next week and in the future. Anyways, Again, that's going 619 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: to be it for us here on the Colts Official Podcast, 620 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: presented by wind bet We'll talk to you next time.