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Speaker 1: And now at Bloomberg Surveillance worldwide and coast to coast,

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Speaker 1: with fourteen out of twelve cable news networks tuned into

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Speaker 1: what will occur here at ten am is most important

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Speaker 1: issues on Judge Kavanaugh, and we will attempt at Bloomberg

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Speaker 1: Surveillance to commit perspective. We do that with Bob Moon

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Speaker 1: and Bob it goes really back within your research to

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Speaker 1: October fourteenth, when Anita Hill had to pass a lie

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Speaker 1: detector test, and I think that picks up your wonderful

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Speaker 1: perspective you've put together. Yeah, you know, Tom Shakespeare said,

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Speaker 1: what has passed his prologue. So, with the Senate Judiciary

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Speaker 1: Committee set to gabble to order it's high drama hearing

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Speaker 1: into the sexual misconduct allegations against Supreme Court nominee b

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Speaker 1: At Kavanaugh, it is informative to look back twenty seven

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Speaker 1: years to October. That's when President George H. W. Bush's

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas was called back in his

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Speaker 1: confirmation process to face the sexual misconduct allegations of Anita Hill,

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Speaker 1: his former assistant. The panel's chairman at the time was

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Speaker 1: Democrat Jill Biden of Delaware, This is not a referendum

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Speaker 1: on whether or not whether or not sexual harassment is

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Speaker 1: a grave offense. I said from the beginning, this is

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Speaker 1: about whether or not sexual harassment occurred. Now we're gonna

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Speaker 1: hear more witnesses are gonna come in and cooborate your

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Speaker 1: position in hers. We'll find out whether there's telling the

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Speaker 1: truth or not, as best as we are capable of doing,

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Speaker 1: just like you, as a judge are when you look

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Speaker 1: them in the eye and make a judgment something. I

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Speaker 1: think this whole affair is sink. I think it's sick

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Speaker 1: to Utah. Republican or In Hatch was one of Thomas's

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Speaker 1: defenders in those hearings, just as he's defending Brett Kavanaugh

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Speaker 1: as a member of the same Senate panel today. Just

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Speaker 1: as the Clarence Thomas hearing was then, today's hearing is

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Speaker 1: being called a watershed moment. A record two hundred fifty

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Speaker 1: seven women are running for the House and Senate in

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Speaker 1: the ten mid term elections. In twenty eight women were

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Speaker 1: elected to the House of Representatives and four to the Senate,

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Speaker 1: among them Democrat Patty Murray, the state of Washington's first

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Speaker 1: female U S. Senator. I am a United States senator

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Speaker 1: today because of the way Anita Hill was treated. They

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Speaker 1: called Anita Hill a liar. They said she was coached

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Speaker 1: by special interest groups. They looked for ways to blame her,

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Speaker 1: impugne her, and attack her. They pressed the young professor

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Speaker 1: for explicit details of the harassment she said she had

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Speaker 1: faced on the job. My working relationship became even more

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Speaker 1: strained when Judge Thomas began to use work situations to

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Speaker 1: discuss sex. On these occasions, he would call me into

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Speaker 1: his office for reports on education issues and projects, or

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Speaker 1: he might suggest that, because of the time pressures of

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Speaker 1: After a brief discussion of work, he would turn the

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Speaker 1: conversation to a discuss sh a sexual matters. His conversations

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Speaker 1: were very vivid. Because I was extremely uncomfortable talking about

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Speaker 1: sex with him at all, and particularly in such a

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Speaker 1: graphic way. I told him that I did not want

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Speaker 1: to talk about these subjects. What happened after Hill's opening

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Speaker 1: statement explains why this time Republicans on the Judiciary Committee

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Speaker 1: have named an outside council who they can choose to

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Speaker 1: have question. Dr Christine Bozzy Ford. Hill was a lone

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Speaker 1: woman facing a panel of fourteen skeptical men, among them

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Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Republican Arlen spect a mere allegation, Senator, I would

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Speaker 1: suggest to you that for me, these are more than

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Speaker 1: mere allegations. These are the truth to me. These comments

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Speaker 1: think I have some sensitivity on it. How reliable is

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Speaker 1: Howell Heflin was a Democrat from Alabama and trying to

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Speaker 1: determine whether you are telling falsehoods or not. I've got

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Speaker 1: to determine what your motivation might be. Are you a

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Speaker 1: on Saturday night, last Saturday night, about seven thirty and

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Speaker 1: as he complained that he, his family, his friends, and

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Speaker 1: that is an injustice. And if by going through this,

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Speaker 1: another nominee in the future or another American won't have

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Speaker 1: Republicans on the panel delivered impassioned defenses of the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court nominee Wyoming's Allan Simpson confronting Hill directly. Maybe maybe

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Speaker 1: it seems to me you didn't really intend to kill him,

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Speaker 1: but you might have. And that's pretty heavy. I don't

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Speaker 1: a singular, singular torpedo blow below the waterline and he sinks.

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Speaker 1: Within five days, Thomas was confirmed by a narrow centem

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Speaker 1: Patty Murray is warning Republicans against a rush to confirm

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Speaker 1: Brett Kavanaugh. Women are watching. We are not going to

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Speaker 1: allow that to happen again. If Republicans attack Dr Ford

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Speaker 1: go back to Senator Heflin there, who was before Jeff

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Speaker 1: Sessions for Alabama, silver star guy, huge marine track record

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Speaker 1: in World War Two. And what I went to Bob,

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Speaker 1: within your wonderful history there is Hefflin was born in

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Speaker 1: and here we are almost a hundred years ahead of that.

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Speaker 1: us in the Bloomberg newsroom, Uh, Bob Moon sits in

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Speaker 1: a coveted cubicle with acres of video and in audio reels.

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Speaker 1: What was it like to go through it all? What

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Speaker 1: it how much time has changed just in that twenty

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Speaker 1: seven years. I mean a lot of this I don't

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Speaker 1: and particularly with the Me too movement now, Bob moan,

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