1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com. I am John schmil joined 3 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: by Paula Tino. The phone number for you as two 4 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,560 Speaker 1: one four five one three hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter 5 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: if you want to get in touch with us that 6 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: way you can uh Big Show today. It's all presented 7 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: by cores Light. Download the Coors Light Awards up to 8 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: an Amazing Giants Prize. We're trying to turn around, said 9 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: Dave Gentleman audio from the conference call with see if 10 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: you can manage to do that. But we will get 11 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: live conversations with both Kevin Zeisler and Jibro Pepper, so 12 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: make sure you stay tuned. They'll come a little bit 13 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: later in the show. And paul I was in there 14 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,559 Speaker 1: doing a video interview with Bob Pop and Dave Gentleman 15 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: that will air a little bit later on on giants 16 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: dot Com. So I did not hear his portion of 17 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: the conference call, Why don't you give me your brief 18 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: summary and then your take on what he had to say. 19 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: All right, there are really three things he addressed. He 20 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 1: addressed the Odell Beckham Junior trade. He addressed the land 21 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: in Collins maneuver of not putting a tag on him 22 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: and allowing him to walk. And he also addressed Eli Manning, 23 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: so let's go backwards since the guy who was still 24 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: here is Eli Manning. He said that today is the 25 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: day that Eli Manning gets his bonus, his roster bonus, 26 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: and the team is just moving on with that. Simply put, 27 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: he believes that watching Eli Manning play, he can still 28 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: play at a high level and win games, and that 29 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: if you look at the second half of last season 30 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: when they gave him help on long the offensive line, 31 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: he was very productive. And he actually said, when you 32 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: consider the value of what quarterbacks are getting paid these days, 33 00:01:28,040 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: and you look at how Eli played, he said, first 34 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: it's a crock to think that Eli can play, and second, 35 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: there was no decision to be made. It was quite 36 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: frank and obvious that Dave Gettelman was totally on board 37 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: and buying into keeping Eli Manning has his quarterback. That's 38 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: that's clearly never been an issue for him. Did he 39 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: talk at all about and I'm sure there was a 40 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: follow up question about it about the prospects even though 41 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: Eli is here, about whether or not the organization is 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: still open to drafting a quarterback in April. He did 43 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: not discuss that he was about that. He was not 44 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: the only thing he was asked about is possibly giving 45 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: Eli an extension. He did say it was discussed, but 46 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: did not go into any further detail. And of course 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: that would be to lessen some of the salary can 48 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: structure and you would get all that done. Okay, that's 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: the Eli Manning thing, A good place to start. How 50 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: about the Odell Beckham Junior trade, which is I'm sure 51 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: the headline for a lot of people. There was his 52 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 1: reasoning behind that, well, he said, first of all, he 53 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: was not shopping Odell Beckham Jr. The only phone call 54 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: he made to have conversations about Beckham was with the 55 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. Remember he's got a buddy up there who 56 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: was in the front office, Brandon Bean, who worked with 57 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: him in Carolina. Correct. He said that he had called him, 58 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: and he said it was it was. It was kind 59 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: of a half hearted funny thing too, because he said 60 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: him in Brandon like to like to rip each other. Well, 61 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: and if you remember, the Bills were apparently in the 62 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 1: mix to trade for Antonio Brown until Torio Brown said 63 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to go there, so if once you 64 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: had the deal in place with Cleveland, you want to 65 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: go see if you can find a better one, why 66 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: not call the team that was in the mix for 67 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: the other top liive receiver in the morning. Well, it's 68 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: seems to me, based on what Dave said, if I 69 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: understood his timeline correctly, the call to the Bills was 70 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: made I think right after the Antonio brown deal, as 71 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: it was before the correct I got correct And according 72 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: to Dave, he said that they had fielded calls from 73 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: the Niners way back when, but they could never agree 74 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: on price, so that was kind of a dead issue. 75 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 1: The only call he said he made because he was 76 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 1: not shopping Beckham, and we tried to tell you that 77 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: was to Buffalo and they couldn't They couldn't come to 78 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: a deal there either. And then he said on Monday. 79 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: I believe he mentioned Monday because he said the deal 80 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: with the Browns. They picked up the phone, called him 81 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: and took it about ten hours to complete the deal 82 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: for Beckham. So basically it started on Tuesday morning and 83 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: ended Tuesday, Monday night, Tuesday morning, whatever, because we don't 84 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: know when. Folo from NFL Network reported that we don't 85 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: know if that was the actual time it happened. A 86 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: good point, okay, So he said the deal took about 87 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: ten hours to complete and it was at Dorsey's Hall, 88 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: the guy from the Browns who made that inquiry, because 89 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: Gettleman said that you don't make calls on a player 90 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: like this because then you're not dealing from a position 91 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: of strength. You're gonna wind up working from behind as 92 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: you try to get the compensation. And he's right. George 93 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: Young used to say the same thing all the time. 94 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: If you're interested in dealing a player, you wait for 95 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: people to call you. You don't make the call to them. 96 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 1: So that so that's why he said we were not 97 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: interested in shopping Beckham. He also said that his litmus 98 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: test was the minimum of two first round picks because 99 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: he said, had the Giants not signed him to an extension, 100 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,679 Speaker 1: they would have been able to get to franchise picks 101 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: back as compensation for a franchise tag. So in his mind, 102 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: he was not going to settle for anything less than that, 103 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: because that was the quote litmus test in terms of 104 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: what people were gonna have to offer to pry him away, 105 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: As he said, it was gonna have to be a 106 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: king's ransom and one of the which we also said 107 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: on this show. And I ran to get him in 108 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 1: the hall after we did the TV interview that you'll 109 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: see on Giants dot com um, and I said to him, David, 110 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: you don't this whole thing, you know, why would you 111 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: give him the bonus and everything and then trade him? 112 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: And he said, well, John, I said this to him 113 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: on the conference call, and he said this to UH, 114 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: to Bob Hoop as well, that the mere fact that 115 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: you had already signed to a long term deal made 116 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: him a more valuable trade come out of if for example, folks, 117 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: and this is really the simplest and I don't even 118 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: think about this before. I should have if you could 119 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: have gotten two first round picks for Odell Beckham Jr. 120 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: Before the franchise tag came, how come a team didn't 121 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 1: just sign him when he was on the franchise tag, right, 122 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 1: there aren't any terms to negotiate its NFL rules. You 123 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: signed him, you get to frowns, first round picks and 124 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: game over, so you cannot have gotten that value. There's 125 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: proved positive evidence of that based on the fact nobody 126 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: tried to sign Odo Beckham Jr. When he was franchise. 127 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: You could not have gotten this type of return for 128 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: him if you had done this before he got the 129 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: long term contract. So the fact that he had resigned, 130 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 1: or should I say he signed an extension, actually made 131 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: him a more valuable tradeable commodity. That's the bottom line. 132 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: And Dave explained that too, and he said they're in 133 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: the business of accumulating good football players. The Giants have 134 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: a lot of needs to fill, and he intends on 135 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: filling as many needs as he can. So he's like, 136 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: guess what, I have three entities now as the result 137 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: of that trade, two equivalent first round picks and the 138 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: third rounder. And he said, I still got twelve picks 139 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: coming up in this draft. So Dave, Dave is is 140 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: very clear about he's got a lot of work to 141 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 1: do and he plans on doing it. One thing you mentioned, 142 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: Bob Pop and I'll move on to the next topic now, 143 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: because he discussed a lot the Lendon Collins decision not 144 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: to put him on the franchise tag. You know what, 145 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 1: Before we do that, I should finish one other point, 146 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: because I know Dave has been hammered about this. He 147 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: addressed the fact that when he signed Beckham and then 148 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: in the ensuing months, he continued to maintain we did 149 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: not sign him to trade him. Remember a lot of 150 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: the writers have really slammed him for this. He said, 151 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: understand something, when we signed him, that's absolutely true. We 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: signed him because we intended for him to be here. 153 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: But if I got bowled over and knocked over with 154 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: a great deal, and again the litmus test was a 155 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: minimum of two first round picks, he said, I've got 156 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: to make the team better. And since Peppers was the 157 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: first round pick on his rookie deal and making could 158 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: money plus the three, he considers the offer they got 159 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: from the Browns and the deal they made with the Browns, 160 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: I should say, uh, to the equivalent of two first 161 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: round pick, that is correct. He also added about Peppers, 162 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: he didn't talk as much about Zeitler. He talked more 163 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 1: about Peppers. He said that he really liked him coming 164 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: out of school at Michigan because he had had him 165 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: in for a visit when the Panthers We're looking for 166 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 1: a first round pick back in the day, and so 167 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: he said, I've I've had a good feeling about this 168 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: player since he came out of Michigan. He he clearly 169 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: thinks a lot of Jabril Peppers, and he also mentioned 170 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: the fact to Bob Papa in regards to Jabil Peppers 171 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: that he's somebody that's a centing is getting better and 172 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: it's someone that Again, I'll now return to the Lane 173 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,200 Speaker 1: and Collins because this is, you know, the the production 174 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: per dollar thing we talked about last week PPD. That's 175 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: twelve million for the Landing Collins tagger eleven a half 176 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 1: whatever it was, right, Well, now you have a starting 177 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: strong safety or place him at about under two million 178 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:17,239 Speaker 1: a year because the Browns take care of the signing 179 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: bonus on the Peppers contract, and you sign Antoine bethet 180 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: So for less the cost of half of Landon Collins 181 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 1: franchise tag less than half. You have your two starting 182 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: safeties and you're in a much better position at safety 183 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: today than what you were last year. That is correct. 184 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: He addressed the question as to why didn't you trade 185 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: Collins when you had a chance last year. He said 186 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: he did have some offers, he didn't feel the value 187 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: of those talks was worth it to pull the trigger. 188 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: He also said, you had to consider the situation that 189 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: our team was into. I just didn't feel like the 190 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: value was right to pull pull the deal over there. 191 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:52,959 Speaker 1: Did he talk about that value versus the potential value 192 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: of a He didn't have a competitory not talk about that, 193 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: but I think you could assume, you know that he 194 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: must have had that in the back of his mind 195 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: if if he had the franchise tag is the litmus 196 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: test for the Odell trade, you must believe that he 197 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,120 Speaker 1: also has that somewhere floating in his head about what 198 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: they might wind up getting for college. He did talk 199 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: about Kevin Zeitelo a little bit with Bob Popa, so 200 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: I'll bring that up real quick, Poe. He told him 201 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: a guy that plays with really good power had one 202 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: of the best test scores of any offensive lineman in 203 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: the NFL. I think that's the one that looked more likely, 204 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: uh than not. He did not say that that's my words, 205 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: not his, so don't say that. David Gentleman said that 206 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: that's my words. I'm assuming that he moves well, he's smart, 207 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: and he can really solidify the right side of that line, 208 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: which they're still trying to do also in terms of 209 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: the right tackle. And Bob did ask him about you 210 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: know what's next is he's still looking at for agency 211 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: more and he kind of said, look, we're looking I'm 212 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 1: working on the fringes. But he said, but this way, Bob. 213 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: On Sunday, when I look at the tape, I was 214 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 1: looking at college tape. I wasn't looking at free agent tape. 215 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: So I think the next big editions will come probably 216 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: in free agency, though they'll still try to fill whatever 217 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: holes and their holes on the roster they can through 218 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 1: free agency in the next few weeks. Yeah, she did 219 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: say they would explore all avenues, but you know, given 220 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: the fact of what they've already done. And look, folks, 221 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: you can look up online approximately how much money they 222 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: still have. It's not like he can go out and 223 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: it's not a big fish. Uh. To finish your thought 224 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: on Zeitler, he did not specifically address him, but he 225 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 1: was asked about you brought in a thirty one year 226 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: old receiver, you brought in a soon to be thirty 227 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: year old lineman, what's the plan question? And you brought 228 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: in a thirty four year old safety. He said, age 229 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: doesn't matter to him. He's interested in good football players, 230 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: and if the guy is a good football player and 231 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: can play, he wants him. And he said, but Fay 232 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 1: is still a good football player, and he's gonna mentor 233 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: Pepper as well. And he still says he's got football 234 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 1: left in him. So he was not so much concerned 235 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: about age as much as he is production. He said, 236 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 1: all these guys have production. The last thing that he said, um, 237 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,199 Speaker 1: which I thought, was also, you know, addressing the plan. 238 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: And I think we've even talked about this on the program. Uh. 239 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: A couple of guys insisted on the call that you 240 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: tell us what the plan is. The fans have to know, 241 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: they need to know. And as they've said, why do 242 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: I have to tell anybody? You know that that he's 243 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: in the business of improving a football team within a 244 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: competitive environment. It's not his job to reveal every single 245 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: part of what he is planning to do. That's not 246 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: his responsibilities. Responsibility is to improve the team, not tell 247 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: everybody and telegraph, hey, guess what we're gonna do. And 248 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: quite frankly, that can at the franchise when you guys 249 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 1: and stuff like that. And I'll throw in this too, 250 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: and this is my words, not his. You'll see it 251 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: on cover three this morning on Giants dot Com. I 252 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: don't understand why people are so confused about the plan. 253 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: If you go back. John Mara had very intense words 254 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: about the idea of not trying to win football games 255 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: back in November, of using expletives something that you don't hear. 256 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: John Marrick is an option correct and Dave Gentleman said 257 00:11:56,679 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: he doesn't think tanking works. So look, they're trying to 258 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: rebuild this roster while at the same time be competitive. Now, 259 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: that can be a tough needle to thread. It can 260 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: get tricky and it takes a lot of finessic But 261 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: I think you said that. You mentioned the signings of 262 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: guys that are over thirty. Eli is still the quarterback, 263 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: but at the same time they moved some present assets 264 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: like JPP last year, Odell Beckham Jr. This year for 265 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: future picks. So, guys, the plan is not that complicated. 266 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: You might not like it, but it's not that complicated. 267 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: They're trying to remain competitive. If everything goes right, maybe 268 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 1: make a fringe playoff run, but also set the franchise 269 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: up for long term success in the future. Do I 270 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: think do you think I got that pretty well? Oh? 271 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about it, because, as 272 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: Dave said, we are in the business of trying to 273 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: win football games. When I got here, we had three wins. 274 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 1: Last year we had five and a bunch of close calls. 275 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: I think he went his far to say, John, and 276 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 1: I can know it can be receiving. Giants had twelve 277 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: games decided by less than a touchdown this past season, 278 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: and so he was trying to say they have certainly 279 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: taken incremental steps to improve the team in his first season. 280 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: On the second, we're going to continue to try to 281 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: be better. In the second half of last year was 282 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: markedly better than the first half of last Don't worry 283 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: about making too much out of the final four games 284 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: and things like that. No argument, I get it. That 285 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: being said, you have to be optimistic of where they 286 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: were playing in those final four games of last year, 287 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,199 Speaker 1: in the final eight games. Really all right, folks, will 288 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: take your phone calls a little bit later on in 289 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: the show at two four, five, one three. It's all 290 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: presented by cores Light. Download the cores Light Awards app 291 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,959 Speaker 1: to an amazing Giants Prizes. But before we get to 292 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: your calls, we're gonna talk to one of the newest 293 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: members of the New York Football Giants, and that is 294 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: offensive Lightman. Offensive lineman Kevin Zeitler, who was recently acquired 295 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: from the Cleveland Browns and the Odell Beckham Junior trade. Kevin, 296 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: You've got johnsh Melkin Paul Latino here and he's Rutherford 297 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: on Big Blue Kickoff Live on Giants dot Com. Good afternoon, 298 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: and congratulations, welcome to New York. Thank you. I'm glad 299 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: to be there. All right. Tell Giant fans that maybe 300 00:13:57,800 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: haven't watched a lot of Cleveland Browns football over the 301 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: past five six years what they're getting with Kevin Zeitler. Well, 302 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: I'm I telling you know who's always on the field, sistem. 303 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: I've been able to every team up in so I'm 304 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: excited to be here. You get to work. How much 305 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: did playing with Joe Thomas and seeing him never miss 306 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: a snap, let alone a game, kind of give you 307 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: that foundation where look, I always got to be out there, 308 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 1: and availability is sometimes the most important thing as an 309 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: NFL football player, Oh it really is. You know, you 310 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: want your guys to be out there. It's amazing being 311 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: there on the team, and you want him out there 312 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: to give it, you know, any situation. Koe Thomas, you 313 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: know he's able to pretend st eight years and well him, 314 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: hopefully can continue maybe and then keep Kevin your your 315 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: credentials are impeccable. Obviously one of the best guards in 316 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: the NFL by anybody's measure or grade. Uh. Dave Gettelman 317 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: says one of the things he looks for in a 318 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: player is instinct, because that's something you can't teach. It's 319 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: got to be it's got to be born from within, 320 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: and it's a very critical part, especially to an offensive line, 321 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: which has to gel quickly whenever there is a part 322 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: that has changed out. So what do you think your 323 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: level of adaptability is going to be as you joined 324 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: the Giants, to fit in, to mess with the guys 325 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: who are here, and to be able to produce at 326 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: the level that you have for the last several years. 327 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that would be, you know, pretty good. 328 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: We got a lot of time get you the line. 329 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: And if I'm working on the same thing, if you're 330 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 1: gonna have you taken much look at Giant Film, I 331 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: guess probably in the last week. I'm gonna guess you 332 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: probably have at least looked online or maybe on on 333 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: game Pass or something to see what it is that 334 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: that they kind of do philosophically from an offensive standpoint, 335 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: and and kind of what it might might be like 336 00:15:55,520 --> 00:16:00,080 Speaker 1: to block for sake quant Barkley, Yeah, you know you 337 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: and I threw up the Saint Quas you know what 338 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: he had all done and inside to do over there, 339 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: I can to give you lit time and you know 340 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: we can't do you know, Kevin, you are involved in 341 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 1: I guess what I'll call a long term rebuilding process 342 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and you finally saw them start to turn 343 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: the corner last year in your opinion, just in the 344 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: locker room. Maybe something intangible stuff What has to happen 345 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: for a team to go from tough times and the 346 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: Giants were three and thirteen, that were five and eleven 347 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to take that step into being a better team, a 348 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: winning team. And how can you help the Giants get there? 349 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: You know, I'd say, you know, like I said, I'm 350 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: a consistent guy, I'm better and you don't help anyone 351 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: around me get better. So you know the biggest thing is, 352 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, I can't overthink. We go there and do 353 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 1: what I can do. I'm gonna help and what I 354 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: can do, you know, we're to make sure we take 355 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: care of that a line, you know, I'm still alone 356 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: just doing you know, it helps the team. You know, 357 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: everything just keeps building, not one position after another. That's 358 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: before you know, good things start happing. Kevin, we just 359 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: get off the phone with Dave Getleman, who did a 360 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: conference call with the New York media, and one of 361 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 1: the things she said to them was that you have 362 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: to be patient when you make a trade because it 363 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: takes time over maybe even a couple of years, three 364 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: years maybe before you figure out if it's a thumbs 365 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: up or thumbs down deal. You're involved in this huge, 366 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: mega multiplayer deal. Uh, coming to the Giants, do you 367 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: feel any extra pressure because you're coming to the Big Apple, 368 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,400 Speaker 1: You're coming to New York and you also were involved 369 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: in such a blockbuster deal. I mean, I think it's different. 370 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: You know in New York is gonna be a different 371 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 1: place from you know, the other place in Cleveland. March 372 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: business think. You know, you can't overthink it. You know, 373 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: he was at the game. Each take any of your 374 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: business as you started pretty more things on it than 375 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: there on. You know, it's just gonna hurt you, which 376 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: you know doesn't help you help the team as much 377 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: as you possibly could. We're drawn by Kevin Zeiler. Kevin, 378 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: one other thing they've done and said about you during 379 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: that conference coal, He's loves how smart of a football 380 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: player you are. You have a chance to play with 381 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: one of the more cerebral quarterbacks in the league in 382 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: Eli Manning. You've got Nate Solder at left tack, who 383 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: has been the league a long time, knows what he's doing. 384 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: How much you're looking forward to working with those guys 385 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: and and kind of getting all that stuff straight in 386 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: terms of protections and and mentally being where you need 387 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: to be to be a productive player for the Giants. Oh, 388 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: I'm very exa. You know, you want to be the 389 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: first each time better than QBI played with a super 390 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: bowling that leadership. So you see how he uh you 391 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: know is in person, because I've only heard great things 392 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: about how with all the football and everything. So it's 393 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: gonna be exciting to play with him and obviously your line, 394 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 1: you know you have time, we're gonna get out to that. 395 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 1: And it seems like all the guys that come out 396 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: of Wisconsin, Kevin, or at least a large majority of them, 397 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 1: are really smart football players. What is it about the 398 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: way they teach you to play offensive line at Wisconsin 399 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: that you think helps translate eight so well for you 400 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: guys heading into the NFLin you John, yeah, I mean 401 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,399 Speaker 1: you know, I think we're Scones and just at figured 402 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: out the line is like the stone position. You um, 403 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: the way they developed because you know a lot of 404 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 1: stones alone. They are coming in a five star recruit. 405 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: You know they know how to attack a lineman. I'm 406 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,879 Speaker 1: training it onto the field. I'm in there in the 407 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 1: weight room on the field. How to teach them the 408 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: game and you know everyone who comes out of it 409 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: because just play. That's I think the biggest difference. You 410 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: might not be the most. You know, they're not maybe 411 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: not running the subplie forty, but they can you know, 412 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 1: sit on the boat rush. They know how to pick 413 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: up liz as they can already a stew the defensive, 414 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 1: learned all the rules, so you know they come into 415 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: it you know what to do before you know the programs. Guys, 416 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,879 Speaker 1: we know have to do something. Final question for me, Kevin, 417 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: what style of lineman do you consider yourself? John asked 418 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: you before for like a capsule of of what they 419 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 1: can expect, But but do you do you consider yourself 420 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: more of a technique guy, more of a power guy, 421 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: a maller kind of guy. Give the Giants fans a 422 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: flavor for what they're gonna see when you lock up 423 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: with somebody along the line of scrimmage. I mean anything 424 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: I think I can do at all, Like I think 425 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: I can pass funk and I think I can run back. 426 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: You know the scheme. You know, I take pride of that. 427 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: You know, it doesn't matter, it's all I do my 428 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: job done and then get the offense rolling. So I 429 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: think you know, I've been lucking up the n ability 430 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: to do whatever. Kevin final one from me. You've been 431 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 1: through a lot of offensive coordinator and schemes in Cleveland, unfortunately. 432 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,479 Speaker 1: How much have you played in zone blocking seems? How 433 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: much have you played in power running schemes, gap stuff? 434 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: Do you have a comfort level or have you been 435 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,120 Speaker 1: in so many sistems where you can pretty much jump 436 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: in and do whatever's asked of you. I mean, ever 437 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: since college, all my offense have been the same thing. 438 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: You know, We've done it all. I've done gas teams, 439 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: I've done power schemes. You know those teams. So you know, 440 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:05,879 Speaker 1: nothing thing just depurn how much they call thing. You know, 441 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable, you know, with whatever they come. You mastered off, Kevin, 442 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 1: great stuff. Welcome to New York, Welcome to the Giants. 443 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: We're looking forward to seeing you here at the facility 444 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: in a few weeks and seeing you on the practice 445 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: field srutly thereafter. Congratulations and best of luck. Thanks Kevin, 446 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate. That's Kevin Zeiler, one of the newest 447 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: members of the New York Giants. And boy, you could 448 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: tell Dave Gentelman likes to bring in a certain type 449 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 1: of guy and we're gonna have jabro preppers in a second. 450 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: You'll see it with him too. Good dudes and smart 451 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: players is what he wants to bring in. I didn't 452 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: have the heart to ask him if he minds being 453 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: called a hogbolly, because I'm sure he's bigger than I am, 454 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: and if he didn't like that nickname, he could squash. 455 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 1: But he's not here to squash you, so that would 456 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: have that would have been the time to ask him, 457 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 1: honest with you. Oh, I think he would have found 458 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: me out as soon as he got to the building. 459 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: But in any event, Uh, certainly a guy who you 460 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: could tell just by his attitude's a lucllar worker and 461 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: and that's what you need in the trenches. Nobody's gonna 462 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 1: be fancy there. You just get the job done. And 463 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: Uh look great stuff to have him. And we're very 464 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: glad to bring him to you on the show. And 465 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: now we'll bring your Jabille Peppers, the other new member 466 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants also involved in the trade 467 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: that sent Odell Beckham Jr. To the Browns, a big 468 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: return for the Giants third years safety out of Michigan. 469 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: Jabrill Peppers, Jabril, you got johnsh Belk and Paul ta 470 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: Tino here on Giants dot Com. We didn't had the 471 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: pleasure of sitting down and talking the other day, so 472 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:28,720 Speaker 1: I'll let Paul ask most of the questions, but I'll 473 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 1: start with this. Has it sunk in that you'll get 474 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: to play, hopefully for you the rest of your career 475 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: in front in your home state of New Jersey. It's 476 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: definitely starting to soa came man, it's definitely starting to 477 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: Soakme's definitely a great excited Jabrille Uh edge wall buffet. 478 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: Uh is going to join you in the safety spot 479 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 1: with the Giants in the backfield and Dave Getleman just 480 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,199 Speaker 1: got done telling us about the experience he has the 481 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,119 Speaker 1: kind of things he can bring to the table that 482 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: will help you as a young player grow and eventually 483 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: become the leader back they are. I'm curious as to 484 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: how you see that dynamic developing. Absolutely, you know, any 485 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: guy that played him plus years in this league, you 486 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: know it was doing something right and his production speaks 487 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: for itself. Um, you know, I'm definitely excited to play 488 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: a long and veteran guy, especially you know, one who 489 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: played in this system. Um, you know who can you 490 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: know point out things to me or you know, just 491 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: give me a little point is that it helped me 492 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 1: play fastest and uh, you know it's it's definitely gonna 493 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 1: be great. Roman Roman the secondary back there, Jabro. We've 494 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: had Carl Banks and and some of our other former 495 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: players here break down some of your tape for the 496 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:36,959 Speaker 1: fans on the internet site. Your athleticism is certainly off 497 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: the charts, and everybody knew that when you played at Bosco. 498 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get that plug in for you because I 499 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: know everyone in North Jersey loves you. Uh but let 500 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,919 Speaker 1: me ask you this. When you were in Michigan and 501 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: they used you in all kinds of ways, and they 502 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: said you're gonna be a Swiss harmy knife when you 503 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: got to the NFL. Do you think that that experience 504 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: helped you or inhibited you a bit once you got 505 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: to the league and then how to figure out that 506 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: you were going to play one position that they were 507 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: going to ask you to or is it a jack 508 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: of old trades thing a better thing for you? Well, 509 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, playing football a lot can never 510 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 1: hurt you, you know, and I think that it, uh, 511 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: it brought in my you know, my mind as far 512 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: as what officers are trying to do. You know, when 513 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: I was down there around the line of scrimmage a lot, 514 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: I saw a lot of you know, the different schemes 515 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: office a linement you know try to do whether it's 516 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: penning pool or you know they try to double and 517 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: get down to the second level, or you know, even 518 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: just seeing what the running back you're seeing, you know, 519 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: and the blitz in the quarterback, you know, learning the 520 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: protections and you know certain checks. Um so all of that. 521 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: Wanted to play, you know, as far as my growth 522 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: as a player, and you know now that you know, 523 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 1: I'm I'm playing more as a safety role. You know, 524 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: with that knowledge of being so close to the line 525 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: of scrimmage, you know definitely helps. And then you know, 526 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: playing free my rookie season, you know, help me see 527 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: how the routes were developed. Then you know how how 528 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: how certain offenses attacks, certain coverages, even even certain Office 529 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 1: of coordinators tendency. So you know, everything just goes into 530 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: play um in terms of, you know, being the best 531 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: football player you can be. So I definitely think it 532 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: helped me. Now let me add something else. Playing at 533 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: the big House, I mean Michigan, the fans are rabbid, 534 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 1: they love their Wolverines. They packed the place, tremendous heat 535 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: in that spotlight and pressure. But now you're coming home 536 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 1: where you played at Bosco. When you play the Programmers 537 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: Catholic in North Jersey, is the pressure to play in 538 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: front of your hometown fans much different than the pressure 539 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: you felt when you went to Michigan as one of 540 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: the highest premier recruits in the nation. I mean, you know, 541 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: there's no pressure when you're prepared, you know, and uh, 542 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: I put in the work, you know how I work 543 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: extremely hard, you know in the days leading up to 544 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 1: the the game day, you know, so I don't even 545 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: think about that, man, I just think about going out 546 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: there playing the best ball I can play, you know, 547 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,919 Speaker 1: making as many plays as I can make, and you know, 548 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: doing whatever I gotta do to help my team win. 549 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: And when you do that, you know, good things that 550 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: happened for you. So you know, that's been my formula, 551 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm going to continue to stick with. 552 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: What do you think you've learned and what do you 553 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: think you've improved upon the most since arriving to the 554 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: NFL thanks to your two years playing really two different 555 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: types of safety positions with the Browns. Oh, just this 556 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: seeing things from you know, different perspectives, whether it's the detape, 557 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: being the down safety, um, you know, even even playing 558 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: some linebacker. Um, just seeing a different ways officers try 559 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: to attack you, you know, and um, every it's it's 560 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: a copycat league in the in the NFL, you know 561 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: that everyone wants to score points and if something's working, 562 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, if something works against you, you you know, so 563 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: you're probably going to see that again. Just really just 564 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: really understanding what officers are trying to do, you know, 565 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 1: on certain downs and person and uh, you know, it's 566 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 1: really just studying film man, and you know, just trusting 567 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,520 Speaker 1: your instincts, trusting yourself and make good plays you're supposed 568 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: to make. And I think when I came in, you know, 569 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: I was a little hesitant, you know, and instead of 570 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: just just going forward, you know, scared to make a mistake, 571 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: and ended up making a mistake anyway. So that's definitely 572 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: been my you know, my my thing I wanted the 573 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: most improve on. Just if I feel that I'm gonna go, 574 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going to hesitate, and uh, you know, 575 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: it's it's been working out for me. You know. I 576 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: love that answer to bro. But then coming out of Michigan, 577 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 1: great athlete runs fast. When we were done with our 578 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 1: video interview last week, when you were here and I 579 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: asked you about one specific play where it wasn't it 580 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,560 Speaker 1: was an interception or turnover. There's nothing spectacular about it 581 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: except for the fact you put a big hit on 582 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: the tight end. And you even know exactly what play 583 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: I was talking about right away, what your responsibility was, 584 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,919 Speaker 1: what happened for you. Why is that type of recall 585 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: and the mental part of the game so important for 586 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: you continuing to grow as a safety and be hopefully 587 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,199 Speaker 1: at some point a Pro Bowl safety. Well, you know, 588 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: the game is eighty percent mentally, you know, I and 589 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,479 Speaker 1: I even like to say eighty five percent, you know, 590 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: and I and if I already can eliminate, you know, 591 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: certain things that you're gonna do that will help me 592 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: play faster and make a play on the ball. And 593 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: then you know, just just just studying film, you know 594 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: that that definitely helps you play faster. Recognizing something and 595 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: seeing it before it happens gives you a jump on 596 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: the ball man, and you can make a big time 597 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: play that can change the game. So you know, that's 598 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: been that's been my mantra. You know, I'm sticking with 599 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: my film study. I found the uh an effective way 600 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: that works for me, and uh, you know, just just 601 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: just sticking with it, you know. And offenses like to 602 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: do you know, different things in the first fifth team plays, 603 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 1: you know, but after those fifth team plays, they kind 604 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: of get back to doing what they do. So once 605 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: you kind of got an idea, you know what what 606 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: an office wants to do. You know, you can play 607 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: fast and make a lot of plays. So that's as 608 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: my momadset about it. Well, Jabro, we we know about 609 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: your versatility. You played both safety spots we know you 610 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: can line up all over the field. I also remember 611 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: very well about your kick return ability because that was 612 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: electric at Michigan, and I know you've done it as 613 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: well with the Browns. How do you see your role 614 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: actually fitting in to what the Giants are going to 615 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: ask you to do? Is it too early to tell 616 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: or do you have a gauge on that. I think 617 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: it's definitely too early to tell, but I can tell 618 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: you whatever they ask me to do, I'm going to 619 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 1: do to the best of my ability and do it 620 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: at an effective level. So you know I'm I'm just 621 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: as anxious as you are to find out my role. 622 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: How about special teams, Jabrill Paul Paul just mentioned it. 623 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,120 Speaker 1: We know about your ability as a return guy, but 624 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: you're on coverage teams too. Uh. Talk about how important 625 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: special teams are to you and why you're such an 626 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: effective player on special teams. Special teams is just as 627 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: important his office and defense. You know, as I saw 628 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: three phases, you can lose the game on special teams 629 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 1: and you can win the game on special teams. You know, 630 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: you can play life out of this in decense and 631 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: lose the game on special teams. So you'll be a 632 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 1: fool not to, you know, think that special teams isn't important. 633 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, I just felt as though, you know, 634 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: coming out of Michigan, you know, playing for coach Hardball 635 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: of course Partridge, you know, they took special teams very serious, 636 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,040 Speaker 1: and uh they said that if you can't play special teams, 637 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: you know, no one is gonna win you on the roster. 638 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: So that's something that always stuck with me. And uh, 639 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: you know, I always wanted to make game change in 640 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: plays and the special teams and it, you know, just 641 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: because I feel as though it's one of the most 642 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: important units, you know, in the football game. All right, 643 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: I got one more for your jibral now that now 644 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: that you're coming back home. What what are we gonna 645 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 1: have like a Pepper's posse in the stadium every Sunday? 646 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: I I mean, how how big is that section going 647 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: to be? Man? Man, I don't know, Man, I don't know. Man. 648 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure it's gonna be big though, especially especially 649 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: opening day, But I don't know. I don't think of 650 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to jabbro We we can't 651 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 1: wait to see it here in a few weeks. Congratulations again, 652 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: welcome home, and we'll see in mid April. All right, man, 653 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: thanks to bro Yes, thank you, thank you. Jabrol Pepper's 654 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 1: Oh man, he's gonna be fun to cover. What a 655 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: good smart kid and he gets it because he grew 656 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: up here, So he's not going to be intimidated at 657 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: all about the New York Spotlight and and and obviously tremendous, 658 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: tremendous high school player was the number one recruiting a 659 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: country when he went to Michigan. And as I said, 660 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: the spotlight at Michigan, they live and die with the wolverine. 661 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: So he nothing's gonna be too big for him. Nothing 662 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: that's good. Alright, folks, will get to your calls at 663 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: about five minutes. But in the meantime, we have that 664 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: audio from Dave Gentleman. This is from a conference call 665 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: that he had with the New York Media earlier in 666 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: the day. You're not gonna hear any questions because Dave 667 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: just had a really long opening statement that really covered 668 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: all the topics we needed covered. So we just took 669 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: the opening statement and I believe they'll be it'll be 670 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: a transcript on Johns dot com. Dave lare the whole 671 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: thing there will be see. If you want to read 672 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: the whole thing, What the Giants dot Com, you can 673 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: check out the transcript. But here is Dave Gentleman's opening 674 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: statement from his conference call with the media earlier today. 675 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a listen. Obviously, I'm doing the call to 676 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: discuss the O'Dell trade, which was finalized over the weekend 677 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: after Adellinger broke past their physicals. Before we begin the 678 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: Q and A portion of the call, I'd like to 679 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,120 Speaker 1: address a few things that have been out there as 680 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 1: well explained why we decided this move was right for 681 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants. As a point of information, 682 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 1: the only call that I initiated regarding moving O'Dell was 683 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: the Buffalo. As you folks may may not know, I 684 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 1: have obviously no Obviously I have a personal relationship relationship 685 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: with Brandon being the Buffalo g M from our time 686 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: spent together in Carolina. I placed the call after I 687 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: learned they had conversations on Antonio Brown good naturedly chided 688 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 1: Brandon about not calling us, and that's where it ended. 689 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: So that's Buffalo, San Francisco. We had numerous conversations over time, 690 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,440 Speaker 1: myself and John Lynch, the GM and you know, frankly, 691 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: we couldn't. Obviously, we couldn't come to an agreement, so 692 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: that died on the vine as far as Cleveland's concerned. 693 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: Talks were initiated by them and John Dorsey. John knew 694 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: we weren't going to give o'dellaway. Uh So, frankly, his 695 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: initial offer piqued our interest, and away we went from 696 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,120 Speaker 1: the initiative called Tuesday morning, so we finalized it was 697 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: probably about ten hours and there was considerable back and forth. 698 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,719 Speaker 1: So the obvious question is why. That's That's the question 699 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: that everybody has, and after much discussion, we just believed 700 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: this was in the best interest of the New York 701 00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: Football Giants. I want everybody to know this was purely 702 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: a football business decision. These no intrigue, there's no he said, 703 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,480 Speaker 1: she said, none of that stuff. So let's not waste 704 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: time with those types of questions. After the fact, O'Dell 705 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: is a tremendous talent, making him a valuable asset. With 706 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 1: football being the ultimate team game, and you know you 707 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: and you guys know I've said that a number of times, 708 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,359 Speaker 1: the football being the ultimate team game. We turned that 709 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 1: fact into three assets. At the very least some have 710 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: questioned why we signed O'Dell and then traded them. As 711 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: I said publicly twice, we didn't sign him to trade him, 712 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: but obviously things changed. And frankly, what changed is another 713 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: team made an offer we couldn't refuse, and as it 714 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: turned out, the fact that he was signed for four 715 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: for five more years made him very attractive and enabled 716 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: us to get legitimate value. You will ask me about 717 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 1: my mantra of not quitting on talent, and yes, I 718 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: believe that fully, but quitting but quitting on talent is 719 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 1: when you get it. When you cut a player, I'll 720 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 1: get marginal value in return. And we all know this 721 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: did not happen here. And speaking of value, you know 722 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: you'll ask me how we came to this. My barometer, 723 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: a litmus test was the franchise tag. So, just for 724 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: the sake of discussion, our explanation, if we had not 725 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: signed Odell back in uh August and the season we 726 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,120 Speaker 1: had played the season out and we had put the 727 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: franchise tag on him, if another team had signed had 728 00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: signed him and we didn't match it, we would have 729 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: gotten two first round picks. So that was, you know, 730 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,440 Speaker 1: my litmus test. You know, by the way, is a 731 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: point of reference. It's only happened once in league history, 732 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: and that was with Caroline at Uh signing Sean gil 733 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 1: of the franchise tag. And again as my litmus test, 734 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,879 Speaker 1: it turns out we not only got two first round picks, 735 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 1: but we also got a third. I completely understand why 736 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,880 Speaker 1: people are going to debate the merits of this deal 737 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: because draft picks are involved, this trade really won't be 738 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: able to be completely evaluated until we get further down 739 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:26,799 Speaker 1: the road. And finally, because of O'Dell's talent personality, this 740 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: was a decision we did not enter into lightly. There 741 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: were a number of factors to take into consideration, and 742 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: I can ensure you I can assure you we thoroughly 743 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,239 Speaker 1: discussed them all. All right. That was Dave Gentleman talking 744 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,920 Speaker 1: to the media on its conference calls earlier today at 745 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: John'schmalt Paul Detino, and now it's us with you the 746 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: rest of the way at two on. We gave you 747 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: all reaction to Dave earlier. We're not gonna do it again. 748 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: It's all presented by cores Light. Download the cores Light 749 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: Awards app to an amazing Giants Prizes. All right, here 750 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,160 Speaker 1: we go, Let's go to Jesse and waterburry. You will 751 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: leave us off. What's up Jess? Hello? Hey are you 752 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,359 Speaker 1: doing John? How are you doing ball? How are you? 753 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: I'm doing good? Yeah, I just wanted to make a 754 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,920 Speaker 1: couple of points. Uh, you know number one. You know, 755 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: as sad As, I am the CEO del Go. You know, 756 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: the main thing is we we didn't win much with 757 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 1: him here, and you know not that I think a 758 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: lot of it was his fault. I mean a lot 759 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,959 Speaker 1: of it I think is to do with and being 760 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 1: a product of today's modern athlete. You know, um back 761 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: in the day, you know, you have to win before 762 00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: you got your chip and dip commercial and your sneaker deal. 763 00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: So you know, I think that catch that he made 764 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,520 Speaker 1: on Sunday Night football those Gallas is probably the worst 765 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: thing that could have happened to him at that time. Yeah, 766 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: you know what, it might have brought things a little 767 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,959 Speaker 1: bit too fast. I think I think that in retrospect, 768 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,359 Speaker 1: I think you have something. They're going to be honest 769 00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: with you, I do. You know it's tough for a 770 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: kid that young to have all that thrust on them 771 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: that quickly. And we were joking the other day, where 772 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: if that same as that catch happens against the Tennessee 773 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,359 Speaker 1: Titans at one o'clock on a you know, random November Sunday, 774 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: you know it'll get replayed a couple of times on 775 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: the highlight shows. Fine, but it's Dallas Cowboys, it's Sunday 776 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: night football, you know, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. It just thrust 777 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,040 Speaker 1: him into that spotlight so so quickly. Yeah, when you 778 00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:17,400 Speaker 1: consider that the Giants Cowboys game, which every year NBC 779 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: takes at least one of those two games, it's always 780 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: the highest rated game. It's it's amongst the highest rated 781 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 1: games they've ever had in Sunday night football history. So 782 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: the spotlight is dilated to such a degree that whatever 783 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 1: happens is going to be blown out of the water. 784 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: And so, you know, if you want to say that 785 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: that turned into a negative, I guess you could in 786 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,640 Speaker 1: terms of the attention that he got. But it certainly 787 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,279 Speaker 1: was a spectacular play, which I think every one of 788 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: us in the building that saw it are happy we 789 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: we did. Of course, unfortunately the Giants left that game too, 790 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: if they be fortunate, But anyway, go ahead, Yeah, yeah, 791 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: and then the last one, I wanted to make is that. 792 00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I really feel that gentleman hit this one 793 00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,240 Speaker 1: out of the park when he got back. For all, 794 00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna get a first round, a third rounder, 795 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: and we're going to get this kid Tapers, who seems 796 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,440 Speaker 1: to me like, I mean, this kid seems like he's 797 00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: better than Landon Collins at this point in time in 798 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,360 Speaker 1: his career and he's only twenty three. I mean, he's 799 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,879 Speaker 1: he's an ascending player. I mean, he was a first 800 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 1: round pick two years ago. So in essence, we're getting 801 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: two number one and the number three, and you know, 802 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,319 Speaker 1: with those two picks, I know it's a little early 803 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: to say, you know, if the trade was you know, uh, 804 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: you know, worked it or whatnot. But I mean, I 805 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: really feel like gentlemen did a great job and getting 806 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 1: the assets that he did from Cleveland for a player 807 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:35,319 Speaker 1: Talbot Odell. You could debate a lot of a lot 808 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: of different angles as to what he said about the 809 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,640 Speaker 1: value of what the Giants got back, but the one 810 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: thing you cannot debate, and that goes back to pp 811 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:50,280 Speaker 1: D points per dollar John, production per dollar I'm sorry, 812 00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: I was highly strayed up there. Production per dollar John 813 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: came up with that abbreviation last week and I couldn't 814 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,160 Speaker 1: agree with it more. You cannot dispute the production in 815 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:05,920 Speaker 1: per dollar of Landon Collins, who left the strong safety spot, 816 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: and Jabroll Peppers, who's coming in at the strong safety 817 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: spot at a miles different value on the contract. It's 818 00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: not just close, it is miles different. So when you 819 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,919 Speaker 1: talk about PPD, there is no way to even dispute that. 820 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,560 Speaker 1: That's a fact. Yeah. And and if you compare the 821 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 1: two players, if you just look at them from a 822 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,359 Speaker 1: stature standpoint, and I'm not sure if it's up yet, 823 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: but we'll have the interview with Jabro Peppers up on 824 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: giants dot Com soon. If you just look at the 825 00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: it's up there, Dave, it is, so you can go 826 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: check it out right now. And if you just look 827 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 1: at him, well after the show is over, of course, 828 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: if you look at him physically, he's just not as 829 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: thick as Landing Collins. Landon Collins is a much thicker, 830 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 1: bigger guy. That's why Landing, quite frankly, is probably a 831 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,759 Speaker 1: little bit better as a run support guy because he's 832 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,880 Speaker 1: a little bit bigger. He's a real short tackler. But 833 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,200 Speaker 1: Peppers upside and when I talked to him on the 834 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: video interview, hit John, well, though he will hit, he's 835 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: just not his bulky as land Shorter, I think too. 836 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,359 Speaker 1: And he's also but he's faster, and that's the thing 837 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,319 Speaker 1: he has, that speed and and and Pepper's told me 838 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,280 Speaker 1: last week that one thing. Even though he got better 839 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: as a man on man cover guy last year, he's 840 00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: even lined up outside and in slot corner on different 841 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 1: plays depending on the game. They lined them up all 842 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: over the place. That's something that he still was working on. 843 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: He thinks he still still get better at is the 844 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,399 Speaker 1: turning in cover aspect of the position. But I think 845 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: he has a lot more upside in that area. And frankly, 846 00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: I think he might be better right now because of 847 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,400 Speaker 1: his superior change of direction and speed than Collins is 848 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,960 Speaker 1: at that aspect of the game. So that's kind of 849 00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: the trade off with the two players. The only thing 850 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: that I would say, John, when I first heard that 851 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,760 Speaker 1: they got him, and I remember saying to you right away, 852 00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: the first thing that hit my mind was this guy 853 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: has physical tools. You you can't ask him physically to 854 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: do anything on the field that a defensive back needs 855 00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: to do. Now, whether or not he comes through and 856 00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 1: and succeeds in the play eight that anybody knows, depending 857 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: upon what you're asking him. But but he's got the tools. 858 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 1: He can do what he is capable of doing it, 859 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: and that's a big deal. All right, Let's go back 860 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 1: to the phone at two five on thre Let's get 861 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,040 Speaker 1: Joe in Pennsylvania up Dave. Joe was kind enough to 862 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,520 Speaker 1: let us hang up on him to get the two 863 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: guests on and then he called back in. So Joe, 864 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,560 Speaker 1: have h that what's going on? Uh? Now, I'm liking 865 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,479 Speaker 1: it here with the with them. Uh, I'm hoping these 866 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,960 Speaker 1: safety's here, with the tight ends we have in this 867 00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:32,399 Speaker 1: division now can cover these tight ends because that's that's 868 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: a big team thing. And even the Cowboys tight end 869 00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: what's his name coming out of retirement, Jason Win. And 870 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: then you have Blake Jarwin who looked like Jason winning 871 00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 1: that game last year in the seven, which is crazy 872 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 1: that these guys can cover the's tight end, especially the 873 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: Eagles arts and that because he's a killer. You know, 874 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: he has ten ten catches at least a game against us. Well, 875 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,799 Speaker 1: that's a big thing. The one problem there, Joe, He's 876 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 1: only five ten peppers. Okay, show he does not have 877 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,239 Speaker 1: height or length. Now, he's got the speed and he's 878 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,440 Speaker 1: got coverage skills to play the ball, but he is 879 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,279 Speaker 1: going to have to overcome a height discrepancy if he's 880 00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: gonna be in a particular man to man slot scheme 881 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: against the tight end. I'd rather have a guy that's 882 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,600 Speaker 1: a little bit too short than a little bit too slow. 883 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,560 Speaker 1: That I would agree with that. I'm just saying I 884 00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: think when Colins and cons with the guy we got 885 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: what's his name, the veteran, we brought in that a 886 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:33,399 Speaker 1: right that we'd be in better position that covered these 887 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,879 Speaker 1: tight ends and backside of the backfield. Now what you think, Yeah, 888 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,799 Speaker 1: I do. I don't think antoon Bathet. They're not going 889 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,680 Speaker 1: to use him to cover man on man as much. 890 00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: He's more of that single high center fielder type with 891 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: good range. And what I like about Bathet when when 892 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,840 Speaker 1: you look at it at his tape, Joe, he doesn't 893 00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: make mistakes and he looks he's not gonna make every play. 894 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: He's on the wrong side of thirty. He's probably lost 895 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: some athleticism, but he's extremely intelligent. He's done in a 896 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: long time and he's not gonna screw up. And I 897 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:01,360 Speaker 1: don't want to take shots at the guy because he 898 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: was a very good guy. But look, you saw Curtis 899 00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: Riley failed to be in the right place at the 900 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: right time or taking a bad angle last year that 901 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: cost a giant some really big place. And but they 902 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:15,920 Speaker 1: is not going to make those types of mistakes, right, 903 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,840 Speaker 1: It's been over the years. Definitely the safe these comanies, 904 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: tight ends and uh backside of the backfield, you know, 905 00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: was a big thing for uh Peppers. I'm just one 906 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,040 Speaker 1: of what's his name, the guy we got the safety 907 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,720 Speaker 1: here from Cleveland. His contract, I hope they ain't running 908 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,719 Speaker 1: out in a year or so we have to pay 909 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,720 Speaker 1: him a billion book, Well, look, Joe, and and thanks 910 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: for the call. Every contract runs out. Yes, he has 911 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: two years left on his rookie deal, and then they 912 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: have a fifth year option on because he was a 913 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,120 Speaker 1: first round pick, so they will control his rights for 914 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: at least three more seasons and by then you'll know 915 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: if he's worth another contract, correct and how much you'll 916 00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,719 Speaker 1: have to pay. So right, that's kind of how they 917 00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: look at it. I don't have the one more thing 918 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:00,000 Speaker 1: out there, by the way, he's got a couple of 919 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:01,560 Speaker 1: questions in the draft. To make sure I get to that. 920 00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,080 Speaker 1: We haven't mentioned them yet because this move happened after 921 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,880 Speaker 1: Friday's bb K show. Golden Tate um a guy the 922 00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,000 Speaker 1: Giants decided to bring in. We haven't talked about him 923 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,680 Speaker 1: much that Dave mentioned Golden Tate on the conference call 924 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 1: at all. It was not discussed other than the context 925 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: of you have some older players you required, and he 926 00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:20,440 Speaker 1: said age is not relevant. I want to know if 927 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: they can still play football. All right. Well, he was 928 00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,680 Speaker 1: asked about that by Bob Pop and he said he's 929 00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,239 Speaker 1: a pros pro good player. Can use him in a 930 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 1: lot of different ways. Tough guy, yards after the catch, 931 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: and yeah he does that too. And the one thing 932 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,279 Speaker 1: that I noticed and he played special teams too, by 933 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: the way he was in the return game. He is 934 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,719 Speaker 1: a good punk return er. Um. And I was surprised 935 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: by this because he's had that slot guy label put 936 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:47,240 Speaker 1: on him. Right two years ago in Detroit he played 937 00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:49,040 Speaker 1: outside more than he played in the slot. In the 938 00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,120 Speaker 1: Super Bowl year in Seattle, he played outside more than 939 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,839 Speaker 1: he did in the slot. So he can do both things. 940 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:56,719 Speaker 1: I know, I know. We actually got a call about him, 941 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: I think on last Thursday show or Friday show, and 942 00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 1: we're like, maybe want a bigger guy. I'm not sure 943 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: he fits well and starting they both played the slot alot. 944 00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,839 Speaker 1: I looked at it, and it's my fault. I should 945 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 1: have been more educated on it. He actually has had 946 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: maybe half the years of his career, going back back 947 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,680 Speaker 1: to Seattle, and maybe slight less than half, he actually 948 00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,120 Speaker 1: played outside receiver more than he played slots, so he 949 00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: can play out there without too many problems. His production 950 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,120 Speaker 1: per game has been better in the slot though, to 951 00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,360 Speaker 1: be honest, over the course of his career, and I 952 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: think that's why there was a concern initially about Okay, 953 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,279 Speaker 1: now if you have two slot receivers, is that gonna work? 954 00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:34,520 Speaker 1: But again, he's done enough of outside stuff where he 955 00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,560 Speaker 1: can go out there. And by the way, I put 956 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: this up on Twitter the other day and and and 957 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,319 Speaker 1: a reader did not understand it at Old John. But 958 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: it's entirely possible that when the Giants snapped the ball, 959 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: they could be in a formation that winds up in 960 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: a two by two okay, where Shepherd is on one 961 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: side as the slot guy and Take could be on 962 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,319 Speaker 1: the other side as the slot can't even on Ingram 963 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,800 Speaker 1: ab outside if you wanted to. Well, and that's my point, 964 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: because you could have Ingram going motion, wind up going 965 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,520 Speaker 1: outside to the boundary, try to get the one on 966 00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,959 Speaker 1: one with the linebacker out there, so exactly it could 967 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,760 Speaker 1: easily have or you could even wind up sending Barkley 968 00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,280 Speaker 1: out of a lone setback, having him go in motion 969 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: and go out to the boundary, which which they've done 970 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,880 Speaker 1: a few times. Okay, thing, you have an empty backfield, 971 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: and when you finally get all those guys deployed, when 972 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: Elie hikes the ball, you very well may have a 973 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,279 Speaker 1: slot guy on each side. And you, guys know, it's 974 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,279 Speaker 1: hard enough sometimes for NFL teams to have one good 975 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,240 Speaker 1: slot corner who can cover someone who runs really good routes. 976 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,799 Speaker 1: Imagine now, hike and the ball and eli has got 977 00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,839 Speaker 1: a slot guy on this side and a slot guy 978 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: on this side. What are the odds that the other 979 00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,800 Speaker 1: team's gonna have too competent slot cover guys on the field. 980 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,760 Speaker 1: What are the odds not too good? So I could 981 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:01,920 Speaker 1: see that at times being something that the Giants may 982 00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: want to throw in there to a one four or 983 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,239 Speaker 1: five on three Antonio. Manhattan is up next, Antonio? What's 984 00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: going on? Pal going on? Guys? How you doing good? Afternoon? 985 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,040 Speaker 1: Good afternoon? How are you doing good? Doing good? So 986 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: my question is this, Um I heard that it's because 987 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,240 Speaker 1: of Tate signing that would mess up with the Lendon 988 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: Collins comp pick. Is that true or well that work? 989 00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,000 Speaker 1: I want to stress this. Anybody that claims you know 990 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: exactly what players going to account the canceled out, what 991 00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,920 Speaker 1: comp pics are lying to you. They don't. Everyone projected 992 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,680 Speaker 1: the Giants would get an extra fourth and a fifth 993 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: this year. How'd that work out? So it all depends 994 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,799 Speaker 1: on how these players play this year, what guys end 995 00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: up counting, what guys end up not counting, you know, 996 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: and where everyone ends up going. Um I read somewhere 997 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: that the Tate thing would maybe of counteract the Jamal 998 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,799 Speaker 1: Brown signing rather than the Lending Colins signing. But again, 999 00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,359 Speaker 1: this is all us guessing until we the picks come 1000 00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: out next year. There's there's no way to know. The 1001 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,239 Speaker 1: only thing you can say. And again, it's like the 1002 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,120 Speaker 1: Coca Cola mystery formula. Nobody really knows how they they 1003 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: calculate these things. During the all season but you can 1004 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 1: at least take a guess and say, well, look, if 1005 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: a an all pro caliber guy signs a top tier 1006 00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: free agent contract that his position with with another team, 1007 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,200 Speaker 1: you can pretty much get a good feel that unless 1008 00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:28,240 Speaker 1: you sign one of those top tier guys out of position, 1009 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,000 Speaker 1: that you're probably going to get something back. You can 1010 00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:34,319 Speaker 1: kind of guess that that's gonna happen. But what it's 1011 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,480 Speaker 1: gonna be, Homely, Molly, there were so many factors that 1012 00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,520 Speaker 1: go into it. You really can't nail that down until 1013 00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: the appropriate time, So don't really think about that too much. 1014 00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: But based on what's happened to this point, it would 1015 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:51,520 Speaker 1: seem like the Giants would have a balance that would 1016 00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,600 Speaker 1: favor a potential compic as of today. I'm not gonna 1017 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:59,560 Speaker 1: claim it's for sure, but you would think so. All right, 1018 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,879 Speaker 1: And um, I just wanted to clear up some things. 1019 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,759 Speaker 1: I mean, I dislike right now the kind of the 1020 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: bashing that Landon Collins is getting about he can't cover. 1021 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,120 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy, he was just in a bad system. 1022 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 1: I think that they called all year last year telling 1023 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,719 Speaker 1: that's just playing too much man. This seem is too 1024 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,600 Speaker 1: slow to play man. And I feel like, just like 1025 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 1: We don't blame Eli for all the things that have 1026 00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,120 Speaker 1: happened on offense. We can't blame Landon Collins alone on 1027 00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:30,240 Speaker 1: defense because he couldn't play, you know, against the past. 1028 00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,240 Speaker 1: But here's the bottom line, Antonio, if you're a strong 1029 00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,839 Speaker 1: santy in this league, you can't plays on every play. 1030 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,879 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to cover tight ends man on man. 1031 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:41,400 Speaker 1: You just are. It's part of the job responsibility. I 1032 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 1: understand that. But if just look around the league, what 1033 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,720 Speaker 1: what strong safeties are out there that have great coverage 1034 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,200 Speaker 1: like this elite coverage that that we're talking about. Who 1035 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,759 Speaker 1: are these safeties out there? Well? I mean, if you 1036 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,319 Speaker 1: go back when Byron Jones played safety for Dallas, he 1037 00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,040 Speaker 1: was a very good um guy that would cover it 1038 00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,799 Speaker 1: ends for them. They moved into corner. He's a corner now, yeah, 1039 00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,720 Speaker 1: because he covered safety so well exactly. And Cam Chancellor 1040 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160 Speaker 1: when he was in Seattle. Get guests on the legion 1041 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: of boom defenses who covered tight ends one on one. 1042 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,160 Speaker 1: Can Chancellor. Here here's the thing. I appreciate what you're saying, 1043 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,080 Speaker 1: because no one's gonna bash land In Collins outside of 1044 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,279 Speaker 1: folks who honestly just want to have sour grapes over 1045 00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,200 Speaker 1: the whole thing. He was a terrific giant. He was 1046 00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: a very good player for them. We know that he 1047 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:30,160 Speaker 1: made want three Pro Bowls. He was the finalist for 1048 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,520 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year one season. If anybody bashes 1049 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: Landon Collins, then they're just being sour. Okay. He was 1050 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: a really good player and a really good giant. But 1051 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,160 Speaker 1: but again go back to what John said about production 1052 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:48,200 Speaker 1: per dollar, you can't. And that's where Jabrill Peppers for 1053 00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:52,200 Speaker 1: for the contract he has for being a competent and 1054 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: ascending safety, you got much better value then if you're 1055 00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: you know, paying supreme dollars for Landing, who unfortunately had 1056 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: been injured in lead of the last two seasons, and 1057 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,120 Speaker 1: how to have surgery, and those things are facts. Those 1058 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: things aren't debatable. And that's not a knock on columns. Yeah, 1059 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,600 Speaker 1: and An Toldio by the way, that that's why safety 1060 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:14,920 Speaker 1: does don't get paid a lot of money a lot 1061 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,680 Speaker 1: of the time, because there aren't a lot of good 1062 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 1: safeties out there that can cover one on one. You're right, 1063 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: it is a rare skill that's really really valued in 1064 00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,799 Speaker 1: the league. And just the last thing that I want 1065 00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,800 Speaker 1: to say is man, we're putting a lot of pressure 1066 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,600 Speaker 1: on Jabro Peppers with hey man, he could you know, 1067 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,960 Speaker 1: play the coverage of coverage fair coverage. Next thing, you know, 1068 00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,600 Speaker 1: though one couple of plays or one player a couple 1069 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,279 Speaker 1: of plays, he gets beat. Everybody's gonna be you know, 1070 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,080 Speaker 1: the fans are gonna be just seen him alive when 1071 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be. It's not gonna be fair to him neither. 1072 00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,560 Speaker 1: And another thing two is he's not as big as 1073 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,839 Speaker 1: Landing Conlins. His game is avoid the block and make 1074 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,080 Speaker 1: the tackles. Man the columns is more of a linebackers 1075 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,200 Speaker 1: built kind of so he could shut up right and 1076 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,960 Speaker 1: make a tackle. So again, that's what we're gonna see. 1077 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: We're gonna I don't think we're just putting right now 1078 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: too much pressure on Jabro. He's a great player, but 1079 00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:04,720 Speaker 1: late when you see him miss that, you know, get 1080 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,480 Speaker 1: bull doors are over by by by a blockers are 1081 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:10,920 Speaker 1: gonna eat him up alive. It's gonna be really bad. 1082 00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:15,000 Speaker 1: I feel like you know what that's that's that's shame. 1083 00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,040 Speaker 1: That's shame on the fans if they do that, because 1084 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,320 Speaker 1: guess what I guarantee you Jabril Peppers is going to 1085 00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,120 Speaker 1: get beat on a big pass this year. It will happen. 1086 00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,399 Speaker 1: He will also probably get beat for a touchdown pass 1087 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,600 Speaker 1: at some point this year. And I guarantee you, at 1088 00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,960 Speaker 1: some point this year, some offensive lineman's going to get 1089 00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,520 Speaker 1: to the second level and squash him on a big run. 1090 00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,960 Speaker 1: It's going to happen, folks. Okay, he's not going to 1091 00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: make one percent of the plays that he's on the field, 1092 00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:47,920 Speaker 1: So shame on anybody if they exaggerate their criticisms of 1093 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:52,200 Speaker 1: a player who isn't able to make one of plays 1094 00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,439 Speaker 1: on the field. All Jabral Peppers is going to do 1095 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 1: is come here, do his best, try to fit into 1096 00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,840 Speaker 1: the scheme, and if by the end of the season 1097 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,560 Speaker 1: he grades out, well, guess what then the Giants did? 1098 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:08,200 Speaker 1: Okay to a one nine three nine four five one three. 1099 00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: Back to the phones. What up? Stops in Washington? Now 1100 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,560 Speaker 1: your stops? Hey, I'm good, Hey, real quick. I don't 1101 00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,280 Speaker 1: know if everyone else heard, but when you guys played 1102 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,760 Speaker 1: that video interview with Dave Gentleman, we didn't hear any anything. 1103 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:26,880 Speaker 1: No no one second stand by, no stops on, no 1104 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 1: stops on. Hold. You weren't gonna hear The people that 1105 00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:33,759 Speaker 1: were listening online. Did hear it? Got it right? That's 1106 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: what we appreciate, we do, thank you. I just want 1107 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,719 Speaker 1: to make sure you guys do about it all right. 1108 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,759 Speaker 1: I like the O b J trade. I'm not saying 1109 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,600 Speaker 1: that we're a better team without him. I'm saying that 1110 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: I like the move. Okay, it happened, and I was. 1111 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:54,120 Speaker 1: I wish New Yorkers us New Yorkers. We get so 1112 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,279 Speaker 1: heartbroken and we get so angry. We act like we 1113 00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,600 Speaker 1: know better than everyone else, and all of a sudden, 1114 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,279 Speaker 1: everyone's question, Dave Gentleman, he doesn't do the score living. 1115 00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:06,360 Speaker 1: I like to trade personally. Secondly, if um, if you 1116 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:07,799 Speaker 1: went to his home and take O b J out 1117 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:08,920 Speaker 1: of it, if you were to tell me that a 1118 00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:15,320 Speaker 1: team had Sae Kwon, Barkley Golden Golden take Uh, Sirley 1119 00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 1: Shepherd and Evan Ingram as their offensive weapons, I'd say 1120 00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,759 Speaker 1: that can can score points. I would say that. So 1121 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520 Speaker 1: I don't think that because ob J is gone, that 1122 00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,000 Speaker 1: said we we can't score. Do we lose some explosives, 1123 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,719 Speaker 1: some big playability? Maybe? Sure, you can't take that away 1124 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,279 Speaker 1: from that guy. He's an amazing talent. But for them 1125 00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: to just put us in the dumps already. That's uh, 1126 00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:41,320 Speaker 1: that's pretty rough. That's pretty rough to say. I'm gonna 1127 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take your point one step further. Okay, and 1128 00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,560 Speaker 1: John had the stats on the show the other day 1129 00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 1: about how the Giants still were very productive offensively without 1130 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,560 Speaker 1: Beckham during the final month of the season. But I'm 1131 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,120 Speaker 1: gonna go one step further. It's not about how productive 1132 00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,080 Speaker 1: they'll be without Odell Beckham Jr. It's how productive was 1133 00:56:03,120 --> 00:56:07,000 Speaker 1: this offense when the offensive line was not functioning properly. 1134 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:10,360 Speaker 1: That's the bigger deal. If you don't have a functioning 1135 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,879 Speaker 1: offensive line, it doesn't matter who's on the field, your 1136 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:18,879 Speaker 1: offense is not going to click point blank. You could 1137 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,839 Speaker 1: do without a skilled position guy. If your offensive line 1138 00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,880 Speaker 1: is kicking people's butts. I agree, which is why I 1139 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,480 Speaker 1: really hope we get that Your name is that one 1140 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,040 Speaker 1: right tackle. I really hope they can figure that out 1141 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,279 Speaker 1: underneath the cappen and get them on because I think 1142 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,800 Speaker 1: that will be the finishing piece to make it a 1143 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:41,240 Speaker 1: very serviceable offensive line. Um, if I was the GM 1144 00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,760 Speaker 1: I would take I would use both my first round, 1145 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,920 Speaker 1: my second round, and my first third round on defense. 1146 00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:50,400 Speaker 1: And then if and if we're gonna take the quarterback, 1147 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,919 Speaker 1: I'd rather us try to try to trade for Rosen 1148 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,480 Speaker 1: than anyone who's in the draft because of my personal opinion. 1149 00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:57,319 Speaker 1: Then a quick question, I'll take the answer off the 1150 00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,920 Speaker 1: air of anything on the sand deal injury. How's the 1151 00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 1: looking ready to go for next year? I appreciate it 1152 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,319 Speaker 1: for ours. We know he should be ready to roll 1153 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:06,400 Speaker 1: for the mid season program, for the off season program. 1154 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,560 Speaker 1: Part meh, So we'll see. I got too many tweets 1155 00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,759 Speaker 1: are I'm not gonna be able to pick one out. 1156 00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: I'm just getting loaded here with screen after screen ninety 1157 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,560 Speaker 1: nine plus on my notification. So we'll try to take 1158 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: some tweets over the next couple of days. Final call 1159 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: the show, and I wonder if he's calmed down a 1160 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,080 Speaker 1: little bits, very most fired up I've ever heard lennon 1161 00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: Maryland last week? Lenn did you calm down a little 1162 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:32,400 Speaker 1: bit over the weekend? Pal? I personally don't like the trade. Okay, 1163 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: that's fine, but I'll go to that last week listen. Um, 1164 00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,120 Speaker 1: I really appreciate Dave get him and coming on and 1165 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,280 Speaker 1: given his point of view, I think it was absolutely 1166 00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: necessary for people to hear that smart public relations move. 1167 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,400 Speaker 1: I don't know when they decided to do it, but 1168 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,680 Speaker 1: it was absolutely necessary for him to get on there 1169 00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:57,360 Speaker 1: and give his point of view. Um bottom bottom line 1170 00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,240 Speaker 1: on the trade. And I think for if it will 1171 00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,960 Speaker 1: be known as the trade. UM, I want to Backham 1172 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:12,760 Speaker 1: on my team, Um Collins, Um, you know my disappointment is, Um, yeah, 1173 00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: we should have gotten somebody for him. I mean, this 1174 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,200 Speaker 1: is a year old guy, three time pro bowler, UH, 1175 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: team captain lead going to somebody who's gonna wind up 1176 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,479 Speaker 1: going to somebody in our division. We'll see him twice 1177 00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,000 Speaker 1: a year. You can still get a third round pick. 1178 00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,480 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's okay. You can still get a third 1179 00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: round compensitory pick form. It might happen. It might happen. 1180 00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,440 Speaker 1: We don't know, it might happen. Let me, Um, let 1181 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,080 Speaker 1: me say something. If I'm kind of a senior guy, 1182 00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,200 Speaker 1: if comp picks go away tomorrow, if the whole concept 1183 00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 1: of a comp com pick goes away tomorrow, it won't 1184 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: bother me in the least. I don't think it's a 1185 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: good thing, to be honest with you, I think it 1186 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,000 Speaker 1: leads to instability on rosters. And I think you know, 1187 00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,000 Speaker 1: we can talk about that at another time when we've 1188 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:05,040 Speaker 1: got I'm not I'm not a big COMPI And how 1189 00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 1: about we just do away with free agency and go 1190 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,760 Speaker 1: back to plan and B like I wanted to get 1191 00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:11,920 Speaker 1: out of your cave with your plate and your would 1192 00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,040 Speaker 1: and your wheel that you just invented. Welcome to the modernity. 1193 00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,560 Speaker 1: I don't care what the courts say. Plan be. Free 1194 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,760 Speaker 1: agency was great. I loved it, and that's the way 1195 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 1: it should be anyway. Yeah, yeah, there you go. Alright, 1196 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: one more thing. UM. I like the comments on Eli. 1197 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,760 Speaker 1: I think they were absolutely necessary if we're going forward 1198 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:33,280 Speaker 1: with him as our quarterback. UM, and I hope that's 1199 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:37,040 Speaker 1: a consistent theme, not only from Dave Gettlman, but from 1200 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 1: Sherman as we go forward. UM. I want to see 1201 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,640 Speaker 1: it be consistent when if, just in case, we're two 1202 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,920 Speaker 1: and six, because we've made this decision and and you know, 1203 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,200 Speaker 1: I want to see a stick with it and defend 1204 00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,720 Speaker 1: that decision, defend that decision. And I hope it's you know, 1205 00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:56,919 Speaker 1: I hope we're not in a situation where a month 1206 00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:01,120 Speaker 1: from now, Um, you know, with the Beckham deal, we 1207 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:06,360 Speaker 1: didn't sign him to trade him. And I hope today's comments, Um, 1208 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:09,320 Speaker 1: you know, months later. I hope Dave doesn't say to us, well, 1209 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, we got such an offer that we just 1210 01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,840 Speaker 1: had to make the deal. We just had to draft 1211 01:00:14,840 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: that quarterback. UM. Yeah, I hope he's consistent now and 1212 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,440 Speaker 1: we stay with Eli. All right, listen, you know go Giants. 1213 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:30,120 Speaker 1: We you know we look forward. UM, I'm hoping. Let 1214 01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: me say one one thing about the draft, and thanks 1215 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 1: thanks for keeping me on as long as you have. Um, 1216 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,920 Speaker 1: if we get the thirty seven and the center Bradbury 1217 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 1: is still there, you gotta make that pick. I don't 1218 01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,880 Speaker 1: think you'll need it. I don't think you'll looking for centers, 1219 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:51,920 Speaker 1: no doubt. With Hunger retiring Khalil and Carolina Denver, with 1220 01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,840 Speaker 1: Paritas on, Kansas City with Morris on, they were all 1221 01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 1: looking for centers. I don't know the Becker is gonna 1222 01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:58,880 Speaker 1: last that long, but my god, if he's on, if 1223 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,240 Speaker 1: he's still there at thirty, I mean you gotta Takedbury. 1224 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, thanks for appreciate it. And look, Bradberry is 1225 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,400 Speaker 1: the first round of value. So these there's a thirty seven, 1226 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:08,560 Speaker 1: the hell with need you take him? I just he 1227 01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 1: ain't gonna make it. They have a better shot at 1228 01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,240 Speaker 1: taking a productive and functional offensive tackle at the top 1229 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,960 Speaker 1: of the second round, and then they do against Bradberry 1230 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 1: because Bradberry is gonna be gone. You can if you 1231 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: can find you like Elgin Jenkins might be there or 1232 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:26,600 Speaker 1: or Eric Eric McCoy mcoy, he might be there. But 1233 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: that Bradbury is not going to make it past I 1234 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't think. But but John and I, you know, we 1235 01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:34,600 Speaker 1: did extensive conversations at the combine with a lot of people, 1236 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: and there are plenty of of offensive tackles who are 1237 01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:41,760 Speaker 1: going to be solid. They're not gonna be Pro Bowl guys. 1238 01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,360 Speaker 1: We we heard that very clearly. You know you're talking 1239 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,960 Speaker 1: about John Taylor. Uh, you know a Cody Ford are 1240 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,560 Speaker 1: are basically top of the mountain at that spot. And 1241 01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,800 Speaker 1: then and Williams all mixed results on him. Fo He's 1242 01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,800 Speaker 1: still going to be a top player. He will be. 1243 01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,440 Speaker 1: He's gonna be picked there somewhere. And then there's that 1244 01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,120 Speaker 1: little drop, and then there's a bunch of guys. There's 1245 01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 1: a nice thick row the next guys who were gonna 1246 01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,240 Speaker 1: last into the early second round, who was supposedly solid prospects, 1247 01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,920 Speaker 1: So you've got a better chance of taking one of them, 1248 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,280 Speaker 1: and let me say one more thing before you say 1249 01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: goodbye real quick, I know, or past one o'clock. But 1250 01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,840 Speaker 1: we did a lot of interviews, so just on you know, 1251 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:23,919 Speaker 1: the whole Eli thing with get him, and really didn't 1252 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:26,760 Speaker 1: talk about all that much the point that Dave made. 1253 01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:28,760 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people have picked up 1254 01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:31,400 Speaker 1: on where you know, we talked about where what Eli 1255 01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:34,440 Speaker 1: is making is in line with sorting quarterbacks making the league. 1256 01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,520 Speaker 1: It absolutely is. In fact, he's near the middle of 1257 01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,120 Speaker 1: the league in terms of what starting quarterbacks make around 1258 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:42,800 Speaker 1: the league. And aside from the case Keenom deal, which 1259 01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,320 Speaker 1: I could not have predicted that the Bronchos would have 1260 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,000 Speaker 1: picked up a lot of that salary. Whoever you replaced 1261 01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Eli Manning with, all right, in free agency, if you 1262 01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,040 Speaker 1: went that route, whether it's Nick Foles or somebody else, 1263 01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,240 Speaker 1: it's basically gonna use up whatever cap space you were 1264 01:02:56,240 --> 01:03:00,200 Speaker 1: gonna say by letting him go. So then you're saying, well, 1265 01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna draft a quarterback to our place Eli, Well, 1266 01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,080 Speaker 1: what happens if you're not sure you can get a quarterback? 1267 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,520 Speaker 1: What happens if Kylamary goes number one? What happened if 1268 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,240 Speaker 1: the Niners refused to trade out of the second pick 1269 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,560 Speaker 1: of the draft. What if the Jets refused to trade 1270 01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:15,360 Speaker 1: down with the Giants and they trade down with another 1271 01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,000 Speaker 1: team and all of a sudden, the two quarterbacks you 1272 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:21,680 Speaker 1: are targeting in this theoretical world are gone when you 1273 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,160 Speaker 1: pick it six and there was no actual way of 1274 01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,320 Speaker 1: for you to get either player. There's literally no chance 1275 01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:28,040 Speaker 1: for you to get them. Then you're sitting there without 1276 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,200 Speaker 1: a first round quarterback, without Eline Manning, without a free agent. 1277 01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,080 Speaker 1: Then what do you do? Then? What do you do? 1278 01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,400 Speaker 1: There were seventeen quarterbacks in the NFL that this year 1279 01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,800 Speaker 1: will make an average based on their current deals of 1280 01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 1: twenty million or more a season. Eli would be number fourteen, 1281 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,240 Speaker 1: which goes to your point, you gotta replace some folks. 1282 01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,840 Speaker 1: As Dave said, these decisions are not made in a vacuum. 1283 01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,760 Speaker 1: You don't just wavy line adding and then figure it out. 1284 01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,360 Speaker 1: This is the quarter of act position, for goodness sakes, 1285 01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:04,520 Speaker 1: that's not how you operate. And look, you know me, 1286 01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,640 Speaker 1: I was open the drafting a quarterback last year. I'm 1287 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:08,320 Speaker 1: open to the process. I want to I want to 1288 01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:10,400 Speaker 1: get this thing going. Let's figure it out, Let's get 1289 01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,560 Speaker 1: the next quarterback let's do it. That doesn't mean you 1290 01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:14,600 Speaker 1: Willy nearly cut a guy. We don't have his replacement 1291 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:17,960 Speaker 1: standing there waiting. That's not how it works anyway. That's 1292 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,959 Speaker 1: all I want, Todd, because I feel like that point 1293 01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,520 Speaker 1: is often missed in this whole. You know, just I 1294 01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,440 Speaker 1: just caught up. There are a lot of points that 1295 01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,960 Speaker 1: are world. Mr schmil a lot of them, A lot 1296 01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 1: of them. Thank you, Paul, You're welcome. I believe it 1297 01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:35,760 Speaker 1: is Lands and Fiegels Tomorrow, Jeff begged me, So I'm 1298 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:37,640 Speaker 1: going to come in on Friday do Friday show you 1299 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,760 Speaker 1: though I might not come into work otherwise, and he 1300 01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,919 Speaker 1: will be with Lance tomorrow because Paul is off doing 1301 01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,240 Speaker 1: what do you have this weekend? Uh? Well, during the weekend, 1302 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:48,520 Speaker 1: I've got the Northeast Conference Women's Bowling Tournament. Yeah, so 1303 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,440 Speaker 1: when Paul is not on Friday, that's why, and that's 1304 01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:53,640 Speaker 1: why I have to come into work for Paul. I'm 1305 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,960 Speaker 1: just busted. All right, We'll see you tomorrow. Gizes dot 1306 01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:57,680 Speaker 1: com And did everybody have a great day? Audios