1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,040 Speaker 1: Hey, that folk sit is Monday, December eighth, and today 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: will start the second full week of testimony in the 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 1: Brian Walsh trial. And Robes can't believe we're actually sitting 4 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: here and possibly saying this. The defense had not such 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: a bad first week. And with that, welcome to this 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. And we say that I 7 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: guess again. We've been talking to the professionals who say 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: this is just a stinker of a case. Guy says, yeah, 9 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: got killed. Excuse me, I dismembered and disposed of a body, 10 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: but I didn't kill a That's a tough hill to climb. 11 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: And for some reason, Robes, would you not say you 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: have been a little surprised at what the defense has 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: been able to do. 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 2: I've been impressed because what they've been able to do 15 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: is chip away at this notion of premeditation. That is 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,320 Speaker 2: their big problem. Well, first of all, they don't have 17 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: a body, which is a major issue because they cannot 18 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: say with any degree of certainty how on a Walsh died. 19 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 2: Now they don't have to prove that she's dead because 20 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: Brian Walsh, by admitting he dismembered and disposed of her body. 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: That has been taken off the table because that would 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 2: be a defense. Normally, if you didn't have a body, 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 2: you could say, prove she died, so we know she died, 24 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: and we know Brian Walsh knows she died, but we 25 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: don't know how she died. So you've got that problem. 26 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: But more importantly, their motive that Brian Walsh knew his 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: wife was having an affair with another man to prove premeditation, 28 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: that the defense has done a phenomenal job at creating 29 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 2: doubt about if he knew, and if he did know 30 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: when he knew. 31 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: Yes, so this goes too right, When you don't have 32 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: a body, you don't know how someone died. Motive might 33 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: be very, very important to the jury. It's not necessary. 34 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: No law says the prosecution has to prove any motive, 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: but they like to. 36 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: But motive certainly helps when you have to prove premeditation. 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: And because they decided to go for a first degree 38 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: murdered charge, you have to prove premeditation, and I would 39 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: think as a juror, you would kind of need motive 40 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 2: to believe that the murder was premeditated. 41 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: And the motive was supposed to be at least in 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: part that he was upset found out I or knew 43 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: that his wife was having an affair. And last week, 44 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: certainly what was billed to be one of the most 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: dramatic and certainly will be one of the most dramatic moments, 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: is having the victims or we calling her a victim. 47 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: The prosecution is, the defense is saying she's died of sudden, 48 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: unexplained death. Okay, so but on a Walsh who has died. 49 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: The guy she was having an affair with got up 50 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: there on the stand. Now that's tension in the courtroom anyway, 51 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: to see Brian Walsh in there, that guy on the stand. 52 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: But Rome they made it was a big deal. The 53 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 1: defense asked over and over and he was clear. Anno 54 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 1: Walsh never said anything to me that suggested that she 55 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: was worried that her husband was on to us. 56 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: And when Brian Walsh called him a couple of days 57 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: after Anna Walsh disappeared to I mean he was pretending 58 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: to ask him. He didn't pretend to ask him. He 59 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: asked him as if he didn't know where Anna Walsh was, 60 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 2: because he knew exactly where his wife's body was at 61 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: that point. But he was playing this worried husband didn't 62 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 2: know where his wife was. So even when he actually 63 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: called and left messages for her lover, who then called 64 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: him back, there was never an accusation or a discussion 65 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: or I know what you two have been up to. 66 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: It was just simply him saying, do you know where 67 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 2: Anna is? Could you go by the house. He was 68 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: their real estate agent. He sold the Walshes their home 69 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: in DC that she was living in while she worked there, 70 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 2: so there would be a reason why they would have talked. 71 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, he never made it seem like he was 72 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 2: even wondering about their relationship. 73 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: So if and to hear the guy William Fastel on 74 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: the stand, if she was concerned at all that her 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 1: husband was about to find out, obviously the first person 76 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 1: she would alert is this guy. For him to say, 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: not a moment that was significant. If I'm sitting on 78 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: that jury, so we are you put yourself in their position. 79 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: That brings doubt about at least that part of the motive. 80 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean, he's not guilty, but at least I'm taking 81 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: that off the table. Is why he could have possibly 82 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: wanted to kill it. 83 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 2: I've already seen news reports about people saying that this 84 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: does put the first degree murder charge in question with 85 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 2: what they've seen so far and that you know his 86 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: best he's probably hoping in the defense is hoping that somehow, 87 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,000 Speaker 2: we don't know how this legally would work, but he 88 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 2: is obviously hoping for a second degree murder charge or 89 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: a manslaughter charge. Conviction or not guilty obviously would be 90 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: the number one, but he's hoping because he doesn't want 91 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: to obviously spend the rest of his life in prison, 92 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 2: which would be automatic if he were convicted a first 93 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 2: degree murder. 94 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: I was looking at this rope to you and I 95 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: had been discussing this. I believe the defense can ask 96 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: I believe they can write that right, they can ask 97 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: for a lesser if the jury can consider a lesser charge. 98 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: Correct, And I believe that is what they will likely do, 99 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 2: or at least that's what legal experts are saying after 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 2: what they've seen in this first week, that may be 101 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 2: what the defense will do. But the testimony today is 102 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 2: resuming with the chief medical examiner who was still on 103 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 2: the stand on Friday. He will come back today, but 104 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: he began testifying on Friday afternoon. He was telling the 105 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: jury about whether or not they could find or discern 106 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: any human tissue on any of those items that they 107 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: showed the jury in person from the dumpster. We're talking 108 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 2: about the hatchet, the hack saw. They were trying to 109 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: see if they could find any sort of human remains, 110 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,720 Speaker 2: but they have not been able to find any part 111 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: of Anna Walsh at all, including her cell phone. Her 112 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: cell phone has never been found. 113 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: The medicals this was the red brown staining guy. Yes, 114 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: they kept saying, repeating that I have that right. Was 115 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: it red brown stain, red brown stain? My goodness, Yes, 116 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: that was some of that Testimoni's a little grind when 117 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: you consider what potentially did happen to her. To see 118 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: some of those items, to see some of those stains, frankly, 119 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 1: to see a hatchet and shears and things like that. 120 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: It was disturbing. It was disturbing. Something else that was 121 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: really interesting that happened on Friday. So they had a 122 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,919 Speaker 2: digital forensic and analyst on the stand who was going 123 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 2: over We mentioned Ana's phone is missing, but Brian's phone. 124 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: So we've heard so much about the searches, but these 125 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: were some of the messages that were on Brian's phone 126 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: right starting. I guess they on January second. So at 127 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: this point, now Brian has presumably or has been in 128 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: the process of dismembering Anna's body. Clearly he knows she's 129 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 2: dead on January second, even by his own admission. But 130 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 2: when you read some of these texts that he was 131 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 2: sending to Anna's phone, pretending to be nervous, literally covering 132 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: his tracks, Yeah, it's so eerie and creepy, and it 133 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: speaks to his level of just cover up. I guess 134 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 2: the manipulation. 135 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: Well, I guess that's what this whole. I mean, it's 136 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: amazing to think that he thought this through to try 137 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 1: to cover tracks and to send these, but never gave 138 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: any thought to all those searches and anybody's going to 139 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: see those. 140 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: It's busy how to get rid of a body after 141 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 2: a murder, right, Yeah, but so he left those searches 142 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 2: to be found by forensic experts. But listen to some 143 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 2: of these texts. We'll read them for you, because it 144 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: just speaks to his ability to manipulate and lie and 145 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: thinking that this was going to get him out of something. 146 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: So on January tewod he sends this text to his 147 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: dead wife Anna, Hello, Thomas found the phone playing on 148 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: William's bed exclamation point. William said he forgot it was there. 149 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,679 Speaker 2: Exclamation point haha, Okay, call any time. So he's talking 150 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: about their kids to her again she's dead. Then about 151 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: five hours later he writes, Hello, where are you? Please call, 152 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 2: text or email. Exhausting day with the boys and we 153 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: had fun going to bed early. Big day tomorrow for everyone. 154 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 2: I still love you three exclamation points. Haha, I don't know. 155 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's trying to set up a trail that he 156 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: thinks is going to save him, or at least suggest 157 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: his innocence that he was concerned about his wife and 158 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: I had no idea she was missing. 159 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: Let's move on to the next day, January third, Hello, 160 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 2: this is at six point thirty nine am. Where are you. 161 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 2: I'm worried. Please call or email. Two hours later, where 162 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: are you? I just called and it went straight to voicemail, 163 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: calling you in Viber. Now maybe he meant to say, uber, 164 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 2: I will call after I drop the boys. If I 165 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: don't hear from you this morning, I am going to 166 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: report you missing. Four hours later, Hello, I texted your 167 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 2: sister and Alyssa. I am calling Jeff if I don't 168 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: hear from you, Where are you seven hours later, Hello, 169 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 2: where are you? The boys and I are worried. I'm 170 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: calling work tomorrow if I don't hear from you. So 171 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: still now this is January third. He hasn't heard from 172 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 2: her since January one, still hasn't called police, which of itself. 173 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: I don't care what kind of relationship you have. You 174 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: don't have him your spouse for forty eight hours, right, 175 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: you're going to send a text saying where are you? 176 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 2: So yes, and then like with lots of exclamation points. 177 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 2: And then January fourth, so again, this is the day 178 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 2: where her work actually reported on a missing He did not. 179 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: He texts where are you? With like seven question marks 180 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 2: at ten o'clock in the morning and then says, I 181 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: am calling Jeff. Now I believe Jeff was her boss 182 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 2: at work. But again, we don't even have word that 183 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 2: that happened. He just he was trying to leave messages 184 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: for police to find later, to show that he was 185 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: worried about his wife, even though he never called them 186 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 2: to tell them that she was missing. 187 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:02,200 Speaker 1: I think that's probably somewhere and like police on one, if 188 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: a spouse is missing and she's reported missing by someone 189 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: other than her spouse, immediately arrest like spouse, arrest that person. 190 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: You don't report, sweetheart, I know if you know, that's 191 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: that in of itself. Okay, we get it, and you 192 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: try to leave open this possibility. Robe and a reminder, folks, 193 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,679 Speaker 1: he says, and his defense is claiming he went upstairs 194 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: after going downstairs to clean the kitchen, went back upstairs. 195 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: This is New Year's Day. She's on the bed dead, 196 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 1: doesn't know how she died completely unexplained, So sudden unexplained death, 197 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: which is something in the medical community that's out there. 198 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: It happens, we're going to have to hear some expert testimony, 199 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: are we not robes at some point in this trial 200 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: from some doctor saying this is possible. 201 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,119 Speaker 2: I think everyone agrees, especially when you heard Larry Tipton's 202 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: opening statement to the jury. They absolutely implied that they 203 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: were going to provide an explanation from an expert to 204 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: discuss how they are proposing on a Walsh actually died. 205 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: But it is interesting, and when we come back, we 206 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,239 Speaker 2: will talk about the inroads the defense made on cross examination. 207 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 2: So we just read to you those text messages that 208 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: are pretty damning when we know what we know now 209 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 2: about where he was in this process of disposing of 210 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: his wife's body and yet leaving these apparent text messages 211 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 2: to her. Well, the defense made some major headway on 212 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 2: cross examination with that same witness on Friday, and this 213 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 2: again goes to motive. They are tearing apart the prosecution's 214 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: case that he knew about his wife's affair. And welcome 215 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: back everyone, we are talking about the Brian Walsh trial. Well, 216 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: week two is now officially underway, but last week there 217 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 2: was some pretty incredible testimony and a lot of the 218 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 2: progress made was by the defense. On Friday, Larry Tipton, 219 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 2: we have been talking about how phenomenal of a job 220 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: he's been doing so far. In the first word out 221 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: of his mouth, yes, I mean you knew that Brian 222 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 2: Walsh was getting as good of a defense and legal 223 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: representation as you could possibly get, because this is a 224 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 2: tough case from any defense attorney's perspective. You've got a 225 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: lot of really damaging, almost seemingly impossible evidence to overcome 226 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 2: when you look and see what the prosecution is presenting 227 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 2: about Brian Walsh's role in his wife's disappearance and murder. 228 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 2: But this is what Larry Tipton was able to chip 229 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: away at premeditation. With this witness that was on the 230 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: stand on Friday, talking about those text messages, talking about 231 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 2: those searches, he made this point there were no searches 232 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 2: about how to dispose of a body or clean up 233 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 2: blood or anything that implied dealing with the murder before 234 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: the morning of January first. That's significant because if he's 235 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: putting all these searches into play and not worried about 236 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 2: who might find them the day that she went missing, 237 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 2: the day that she died, If he were planning this, 238 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: wouldn't you think he would have done that beforehand, or 239 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 2: at least was preparing in some way. 240 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: Oh, there is enough. They have not proved motive or premeditation, 241 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: in my opinion, again, putting myself in a position if 242 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: I were sitting on that jury, that's enough for me 243 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: to quite Now. I'm still listening, prosecutors to what you got, 244 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: but at least two things you told me. This doubt 245 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: is reasonable, and you might even argue provable with some 246 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: of this that they're lining up. How is this man 247 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: on January twenty fifth and whatnot looking for rings for 248 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: his wife, looking for a Porsche for his wife, making 249 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: all these plans for dinner, reservations and all this stuff. 250 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: Nothing suggests again, this is before, this is before New Years, 251 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 1: this is before. Yes, this sounds like he is actually 252 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: a pretty happy in his marriage. 253 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: Sounds like he's happy in his marriage, talking about buying 254 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 2: expensive champagne Zillow listings. They showed messages he had he 255 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 2: had this forensics digital forensics guy read aloud the messages 256 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 2: where the couple were exchanging I love you, love you 257 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: back and forth, lovingly sharing pictures and photos of what 258 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: they were doing. This is all between December twenty fifth 259 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: and December thirty first, so in that period where you 260 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: would say, or at least the prosecutors are trying to say, 261 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: he was preparing to murder his wife. All of the 262 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: messages between the two of them seemed to be loving, 263 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 2: and his searches up until the thirty first are all 264 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 2: about loving his wife and lavishing her with gifts. In fact, 265 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 2: they did say this was an important point they made 266 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: speaking of searches. On December twenty fifth, we now know 267 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 2: that Anna Walsh was with her lover, but her flight 268 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 2: actually did get canceled and he was upset about this. 269 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 2: They've all testified that there was a bit of a 270 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 2: fight between the two of them because he was upset 271 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 2: she wasn't with him, but his searches that day Anna 272 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: Walsh found dead Christmas Day plane crash. He was worried 273 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 2: about her. He was worried that something had happened. He 274 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 2: hadn't gotten worried that her flight had been canceled yet, 275 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: and he hadn't heard from her. We now know she 276 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 2: was with her lover, but he was afraid that something 277 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 2: happened to her, like in a loving, concerned way. 278 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the other one. But there 279 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: have been a lot of messages in internet searches and 280 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: stuff that's been shared, and then there are some that 281 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: break through that I think kind of shut the door 282 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: prove a point, right, Mike Drop that's one of them. 283 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: When you see this guy has no idea any of 284 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: this stuff is going to be seen. He's not trying 285 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: to stage analibi at this point. This is around Christmas, 286 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,479 Speaker 1: and he's worried about where is she. That is genuinely 287 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: a dude concerned about his wife. You cannot look at 288 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: that any other way. So how do we go from 289 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: that concerned about her safety, not wondering who she with 290 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: and not looking up all these searches about some other man. 291 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: So how do we go from that to her dead 292 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: on January one? You cannot tell me. The motive and 293 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: the premeditation is because he's upset about his wife's affair. 294 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: They've done a good job. 295 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: So we are. I am blown away by this defense already. 296 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: It is remarkable, and so in terms of what the 297 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: prosecution is expected to continue to have witnesses take this 298 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: stand for the rest of this week. The defense could 299 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 2: possibly get their turn by the end of this week 300 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 2: or the beginning of next week. But we do know 301 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: we don't know a lot about the witnesses the prosecution 302 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: is going to put out this week. They didn't give 303 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 2: a witness list on Friday, but they have said that 304 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:04,600 Speaker 2: we're going to hear from Anna Walsh's former boss that 305 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: was the man who was with them on New Year's Eve, 306 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: and perhaps, I guess is the last person outside of 307 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 2: her family to have seen her alive and can speak 308 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: to what Anna and Brian were like on New Year's 309 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 2: Eve together interacting. I think that will be so fascinating. 310 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: But he is a prosecution witness, so I'm very much 311 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: looking forward to that and I think we are expecting 312 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: other investigators to continue to testify about the evidence that 313 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: they do have. But at the end of last week, 314 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 2: I think you and I both agree the defense has 315 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 2: done the best possible job they could have and actually 316 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 2: exceeded expectations. 317 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: Given what they have to work with. So we're keeping 318 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: an eye on this. Today testimony expected to be a 319 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: full day again. 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