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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're not retiring at least

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Speaker 1: not from Saints drama anytime soon. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and

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Speaker 1: I'm a sicko because there is nothing I would rather

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Speaker 1: be doing on Mother's Day weekend than to be talking

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Speaker 1: to Difference Adam and Ryan about the surprise retirement of

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Speaker 1: Derek Carr. Yes, they are from the Saints Block Party podcast. Ryan,

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Speaker 1: I will start with you. We'll get into all the

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Speaker 1: nitty gritty, but just what was your first reaction as

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Speaker 1: you woke up to find out Derek Carr was no

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Speaker 1: longer a Saint.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I was already up.

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Speaker 3: We wanted discord, getting after it early in the morning,

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Speaker 3: talking Saints, and then it just comes out of nowhere. Bro,

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Speaker 3: It's like this jubilation man, Like okay, any I mean look,

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Speaker 3: this is not celebrating any injury.

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Speaker 2: Or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, we were done, like we were done with the

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Speaker 3: Derek Carr experience, hoping it was over and get to

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Speaker 3: get that like retirement, that kind of clarity. Oh man, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: beat it brous like mighty, like you said, Man.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Adam.

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Speaker 5: I mean I had a drink at ten am.

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Speaker 2: He did. I absolutely did what you're talking about. Stop.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was great because just looking back on we talked

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Speaker 5: about on our show that Derek Carr d eight era

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Speaker 5: of saintstom was as dark as it has been for

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Speaker 5: the Saints for a very long period of time, and

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Speaker 5: that Derek Carr is signing honestly one of the worst signings,

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Speaker 5: if not the worst signing for the Saints ever as

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Speaker 5: a free agent, not even on the field, kind of everything,

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Speaker 5: the of what it just represented. And so to get

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Speaker 5: that news that officially he's done, whether he comes back

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Speaker 5: or not, we'll get into that, like try to play

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Speaker 5: with the team after the seat for the Saints as

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Speaker 5: a Saints span, we don't have to deal with him anymore.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, let me back it up a second

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Speaker 1: because I'm asking for your emotional reaction, but let's give

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Speaker 1: some context to it. So the news comes out that

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Speaker 1: he is retiring, and the team has a pretty lengthy

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Speaker 1: statement and they say that Car had a laboral tear

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Speaker 1: and a degenerative rotator cuff damage to his right throwing shoulder.

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Speaker 1: It was discovered in late March, according to the Saints,

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Speaker 1: after Car ramped up his throwing to prepare for the season,

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Speaker 1: that he had an option for surgery, which would have

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Speaker 1: jeopardized his whole season, Yet there was no guarantee he

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Speaker 1: would return to his previous level of strength. So the

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Speaker 1: Saints interestingly provided a lot more details injury wise than

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Speaker 1: you would expect. Derek Carr did not so much. He

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Speaker 1: just had a very straightforward statement, you know, thanking everyone

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Speaker 1: who'd supported him throughout his career and saying that he retired.

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Speaker 1: Also learn financially that they will get all the money back,

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Speaker 1: you know, from this offseason's restructure because he's retiring. You know,

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Speaker 1: they don't have to pay him that thirty million dollars

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Speaker 1: that they were going to guarantee him. So he is

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Speaker 1: choosing on some level and we can get into it

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Speaker 1: to pass on that thirty million dollars in the end,

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Speaker 1: though it was reported by by ESPN by New Orleans

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Speaker 1: Football Nick Underhill, like a few different places our guys

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Speaker 1: at NFL Network, that the Saints did pay him his

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Speaker 1: ten million dollar roster bonus this offseason, and they are

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Speaker 1: not going to go after that, and they're not going

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Speaker 1: to go after like the signing bonus that he originally

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Speaker 1: seventy million dollars over two years. They're actually going to

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Speaker 1: announce the move officially after June first, So the two

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Speaker 1: sides are kind of it's it's you put it in

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Speaker 1: a text, Adam to me, like an somewhat amicable divorce

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Speaker 1: here where they're both getting a little out of it,

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Speaker 1: and so they can spread that dead money over for

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Speaker 1: you know, two years. Kellen Moore did speak on Saturday

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Speaker 1: and said it only came together in the last couple

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Speaker 1: of days. I want to get into the car of

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Speaker 1: it all, like in depth, because that is really the

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Speaker 1: interesting part of me. But I think for the average

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Speaker 1: fan who aren't Saints fans, the Saints part of it

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Speaker 1: up to the car of it all. And now you

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Speaker 1: look at the Saints and they have a quarterback competition

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Speaker 1: they added a veteran to this group. Kellen Moore said

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Speaker 1: But who knowsh what does this make you think about

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Speaker 1: the twenty six Saints because I saw some people feel

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Speaker 1: they eights others thrown out there like now it makes time.

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Speaker 1: The Saints are really going to do that reset that

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about for years. I'm like, that is

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Speaker 5: That's just not how making them is oper It's not

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Speaker 5: how they do things. They are going they want to

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Speaker 5: Mickey Limits wants to win the NFC South whatever whatever

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Speaker 2: So I think.

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Speaker 5: They'll you your tweet on Twitter. Your tweet on Twitter

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Speaker 5: encapsulated the things perfectly, like, oh there's cap space, Oh

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Speaker 5: we need weapons. Maybe there's a Keenan Allen out there.

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Speaker 5: Maybe we'll try to go get weapons for whoever the

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Speaker 5: and try to win the South and just be competitive.

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Speaker 5: And that's just what their MO is, because this team

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Speaker 5: is just so much about job preservation and protecting their

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Speaker 2: That that's what their their.

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Speaker 5: MO is in their DNA, and I think that's what

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Speaker 1: But it's too late too that Cam Jordan's coming back,

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Speaker 1: Ryan to Mario Davis is coming back, Honey Badger's coming back.

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Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara just got a new contract, Like I kind

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Speaker 1: of they brought in they brought in Brandon Cooks. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they still got like twenty thirteen Saints on this roster.

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Speaker 4: See on the team twenty I don't know when he

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Speaker 1: I mean Taysom Hill I kind of forgot Taysom Hill

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Speaker 1: is actually still on the roder. So they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: reset there, They're not gonna rebuild. What are you excited

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Speaker 1: at least about the quarterback competition?

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Speaker 3: Kind of?

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Speaker 1: How does it make you feel differently about this team

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Speaker 1: at least for this season.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the most.

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Speaker 3: Exciting part about it is not just we don't have

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Speaker 3: was going to be available, he was going to start.

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Speaker 3: You know, Mickey Luman said it in the post draft

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Speaker 3: is crazy that a GM is saying that, But anyway, right, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 3: And that's the exciting in say, but that's the exciting

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Speaker 3: part man, like we finally get Spencer Railer versus Tyler Shuck.

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Speaker 3: See you want to feel about Charler Shuck, Adam and Ryan,

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Speaker 3: I mean me and me and Adam.

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Speaker 1: I love you guys being big enough to go third person.

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Speaker 1: Every everyone should be signed up for their Patreon. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Saints party, I mean he was there on

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Speaker 1: So continue on about the KBA competition.

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Speaker 3: No, like Tyler Shuck, Like, look, he was very the divisive,

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Speaker 3: divisive pick. Like among Saints fans, you know a lot

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Speaker 3: George Sanders and you know, look he's twenty six, going

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Speaker 3: to be twenty six year old. It's not the sexiest

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Speaker 2: You know that.

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Speaker 3: Spencer Raandler another divisive figure, you know who showed a

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Speaker 3: little promise last year. I think if you look at

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Speaker 3: healthy roster. A real competition, a real competition. Now, will

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Speaker 3: it be treated like a real, real competition with Tyler

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Speaker 3: Shuck as a second round quarterback versus a fifth round

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Speaker 2: I mean, we know I didn't go.

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Speaker 4: No, yeah, it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: I've actually been surprised to hear you guys over the

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Speaker 1: just thinking, I don't need to know any You guys

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Speaker 1: better than me, But I don't need to know dynamics

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Speaker 1: to know, Like, that's Tyler Shuck's job as long as

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Speaker 1: he's healthy, because he's a second round pick and Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore took him. Now, if he gets hurt or he

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Speaker 1: Rattler's looking good, like they'll be open minded enough to

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Speaker 1: maybe change their mind. But that's just how the NFL

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Speaker 1: works that way. This is the one thing that Kellen

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Speaker 1: Moore has done is hand picked Tyler Shuck. So what

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Speaker 4: What does that make you? How does that make you

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Speaker 5: I'm fine for it in theory because the one thing

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Speaker 2: Right, And so we had we discussed this on draft

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Speaker 5: We're like, oh, you know, our teams drafted offensive linemen

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Speaker 5: thing that annoys both Ryan and I the most is.

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Speaker 2: Like almost every team.

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Speaker 5: In the NFL in the draft, the Patriots, the Bears,

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Speaker 5: the Texans, almost every team like flooded their young quarterback

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Speaker 5: who dealt with this last year with Crystal Live, with

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Speaker 5: solution was like, oh, okay, well we signed Brandon Cooks.

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Speaker 2: In the off season like that that was it. And

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Speaker 5: So so and so then you had Mickey limits, like

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Speaker 5: And it's like you just drafted a quarterback in the

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Speaker 5: second round and they went all defense.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that defense doesn't matter. It does.

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Speaker 5: But it's a weird team construction of how to build

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Speaker 1: It's it's really weird too because in theory, yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: a new regime. It's it's Kellen Moore, it's Brandon Staley.

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Speaker 1: On the defensive side, We'll see this defense. It could

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Speaker 1: be good, it might be terrible, it could be anywhere

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Speaker 1: the team. In Staley's history has been up and down,

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Speaker 1: but he was better at as a coordinator. Like we'll

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Speaker 1: see like this, this team could in theory be contending

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Speaker 1: for a top five overall pick, and then Tyler Shok's

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to work out personally. I

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Speaker 5: just frame it like this that Mickey Limis was guaranteeing

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Speaker 4: Well, but they say they don't know it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that was a it was looking like they

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Speaker 5: And I get it, that was his money anyway, that

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, Yeah, and they still even though they're getting bailed out,

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Speaker 1: not eighty It would have been eighty million dollars in

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Speaker 5: Inteen and thirteen Greg fourteen and thirteen is what they got.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, that actually, you know, bumped up his winning

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Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about Derek Carr's career necessarily

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Speaker 1: Among those quarterbacks, only one had a worse winning percentage

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Speaker 1: I think you think he was fifteen hunder five hundred.

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Speaker 3: It's something is still fishy about this whole thing, because

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Speaker 2: He wanted to leave.

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Speaker 3: Back in early March, he was upset that the Saints

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Speaker 3: No that I mean something's something's missing there, like some

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, the Saints sort of agreed to give him this

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Speaker 5: And I think that ten million dollars was the Saints

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Speaker 5: But whatever, and so he gets what he wants and

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Speaker 1: You reported that the organization was not all aligned on that.

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Speaker 5: That might be like more of a Rick Mickey Loomis.

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Speaker 1: we two the preseason, he starts looking good. Some of

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Speaker 1: the veterans, the Mario and and Cam are kind of

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Speaker 1: looking like you guys will be fired up.

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Speaker 4: Like what do you kind of think about this? What

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Speaker 4: do you think about this Saints team?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Do you think the twenty twenty Because I look at

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Speaker 1: this division and I think that the Bucks are a

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Speaker 1: legit good team.

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Speaker 4: Now it's actually a good roster coming back.

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Speaker 1: It's not just this wide I don't think it's this

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Speaker 1: wide open NFC sound. I frankly would be surprised if

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Speaker 1: the Bucks, I'll just start there like had like a

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Speaker 1: losing re Like I think they're a winning team. I

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Speaker 1: think they got a chance to be upper tier contender.

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Speaker 1: And the Falcons, we'll see how good Pennix is. But

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Speaker 1: on paper, like they're thinking they're going to compete. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Panthers are hoping they're going to be better. So

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Speaker 1: even though yeah, Adam, like the Saints are looking at

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Speaker 1: this best case scenario where they're trying to get to

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Speaker 1: eight nine wins, Like I don't think it's as easy

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Speaker 1: as it would have been a year ago or even

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Speaker 1: two years ago.

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Speaker 5: Man, we have talked about this at nauseum until until

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Speaker 5: we see differently. I don't want to speak for I am,

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Speaker 5: but like we squint, but they look like a four

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Speaker 5: to five win team right now, like like like they

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Speaker 5: just look like they may be picking top five and

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Speaker 5: that's like a top like it just like if you

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Speaker 5: just look at their if you look at their schedule,

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Speaker 5: like it's hard to find the wins. It's hard to

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Speaker 5: find the wins.

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Speaker 2: No, will the.

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Speaker 1: NFL things turn around? And uh, and it might be

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Speaker 1: the right year to do it. Not because of Arch Manning,

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Speaker 1: who most people that seem to know anything about him say,

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Speaker 1: like he's not gonna come out in the draft next year,

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Speaker 1: like he's gonna say, but it's a good quarterback class. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: where we'll we'll see. But there there could be a

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Speaker 1: handful of options.

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Speaker 5: Two things I will say, if they have invested there,

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Speaker 5: there potentially are four four first round picks that they're

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Speaker 5: going to have on the offensive line. If that offensive

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Speaker 5: line is not a weapon at this point like it

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Speaker 5: should be, that's that's one of the ways that they

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Speaker 5: should potentially if they're going to be a good team,

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Speaker 5: that's the way that they should be a good team,

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Speaker 5: I hear you.

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Speaker 1: And maybe they'll get coached up to do it. But

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Speaker 1: one of those first rounders is Trevor Penning. One of

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Speaker 1: them Caesar Ruiz, who's been up and down. One of

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Speaker 1: them has never played in the NFL. So like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're excited, Kevin Banks, but you never play the other

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Speaker 1: run miss most the last year with an injury. Said,

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm beating the downer. This team fascinates me

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Speaker 1: though I love the mess. Is there a part of

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Speaker 1: you Ryan that just loves loves the mess of it?

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Speaker 3: Man like?

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Speaker 2: Especially if like a content creator and.

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Speaker 3: Right for us, you wake up on like a boring

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Speaker 3: Saturday and it's just like boom, he goes some news,

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Speaker 3: you know, But there's always something with the Saints, man like, And.

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Speaker 2: Look the division.

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Speaker 3: To think about the division, they all got better to be,

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Speaker 3: Like the Falcons got up, got better. They might actually

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Speaker 3: have pass shorts this year, like you said, the Tampa

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Speaker 3: Bay Bucks. They've just been consistently getting better every year.

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Speaker 3: Even the Panthers, man Like, I think the Panthers, like,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying they're gonna win a crap a little

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Speaker 3: of games with like it wouldn't shock me if they

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Speaker 3: won like eight games this year, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: And so the Saints got an uphill battle. But I text,

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Speaker 3: I told Adam yesterday, like it would be cool if

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Speaker 3: the Saints just had like a fun season like twenty

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Speaker 3: seventeen Saints where nobody's expecting anything, but then young workies

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Speaker 3: come in play. Well, you win a couple of games,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not even worried about the wins, but it's

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Speaker 3: just fun for fun, you know, saying defense is feisty,

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Speaker 3: Branded Staley, Kelly Moore's cooking it up. You know, got

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Speaker 3: a young running back and Devin Neil up six you

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Speaker 3: know sixth rown, he's looking good. Tyler s is slinging it.

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Speaker 4: Let's go, let's go on.

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Speaker 3: Maybe it's Spencer Randa either what either one man, like,

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Speaker 3: just give me something fun to watch, please?

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Speaker 5: If what tell you what the Panthers did in the

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Speaker 5: second half of the season when young started cooking of

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Speaker 5: last season, but like maybe extrapolate that for like some

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Speaker 5: of next season for the Saints. That would be a win.

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Speaker 1: Forc Like if and if shuck played well enough to

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Speaker 1: give them a tough decision next year. Uh in the draft.

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Speaker 1: Then that's that's a great outcome. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, but I told y'all, you know,

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Speaker 1: when when Derek Carr was signing, You're like, finally we

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Speaker 1: got a professional quarter.

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Speaker 4: Like that's all we wanted.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know if he's better

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Speaker 1: than Andy Dalton, like right now.

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Speaker 2: Able to try. My man was all over.

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Speaker 3: I apologize to Andy Doton.

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Speaker 2: I was wrong. I'm taking Ady Dolton.

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Speaker 1: And I do feel for car because he is and

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Speaker 1: was just good enough throughout his career to not be

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Speaker 1: good enough and not quite get over the hump for

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Speaker 1: the teams that really believed him. And look, he got

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Speaker 1: paid well and he put his body on the line

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Speaker 1: and all that. So it's, you know, it's the trade

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Speaker 1: off of being an NFL player. But he was a

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Speaker 1: little starcross with Raiders and then at this point in

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Speaker 1: his career with this Saints organization that just like the

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Speaker 1: one time it really all came together for him. He

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Speaker 1: got hurt in that twenty sixteen season when he was

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Speaker 1: probably going to get some MVP votes and he didn't

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Speaker 1: get to start that playoff game, and he was cooking.

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Speaker 1: And I always thought he was like a limited skill

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Speaker 1: set guy because he wasn't great under pressure, but he

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Speaker 1: was very athletic, could make all the throws, could run.

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Speaker 1: And then the one other time it kind of came

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Speaker 1: together for him that the offense was a really dangerous,

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Speaker 1: if weird offense because it was so stationed. The station

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Speaker 1: was with John Gruden, and like that that couldn't last

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Speaker 1: for him either because because Gruden blew it up and

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Speaker 1: and that one playoff memory was him, yeah, throwing throwing

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Speaker 1: short of the end zone on that fourth down because

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Speaker 1: they had a chance to beat the Bengals before the

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Speaker 1: Bengals got all the way to the super Bowl. So

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Speaker 1: you do feel because you don't want to see a

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Speaker 1: career end like that. And yet I just have a

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Speaker 1: hunch maybe maybe we're not done with Derek Carr.

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Speaker 4: Maybe he'll be back.

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Speaker 2: Munch a small hunch.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be like my colleague, his brother David, and

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Speaker 1: he'll end up as a backup on some great team

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Speaker 1: and go win a Super Bowl in a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: like like David did for the Giants.

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Speaker 4: So we don't know. I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate my producer to Eric Roberts, making the time

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Speaker 1: on Mother's Day weekend. I know this is not what

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Speaker 1: he necessarily was expecting this weekend, but I appreciate y'all

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Speaker 1: too for coming on board. And I'm telling everyone says

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Speaker 1: block Party podcast. You know, just listen YouTube. You got

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Speaker 1: the Patreon there, you got the discord, but just just

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Speaker 1: check it out. I don't ask for too much, but

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Speaker 1: subscribe to them on YouTube, and that's the way you

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Speaker 1: can support NFL daily, supporting them.

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Speaker 5: Appreciate shout out to all the mothers who are uh

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Speaker 5: or just in general, just shout out to all the

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Speaker 5: mothers whenever you all listen to this.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate y'all. Happy Mother's Day.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Happy, Happy birthday? Happy? Whose birthday is it?

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Speaker 1: It's Austin James's birthday, Eric's son. In a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks like whose birthday is a Happy mother's day?

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Speaker 4: Oh man?

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Speaker 1: When we're when we're doing it. When Darren Cars retiring

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Speaker 1: on a Saturday, it's a news dump retirement.

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Speaker 4: You know, Football's back