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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: I think this is the fifth year they've been doing

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Speaker 2: the tight End University in George Kittle helped start that

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Speaker 2: and the Niners tight End back on the program. Do

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Speaker 2: you reject any tight Ends that want to go to

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Speaker 2: tight End University?

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Speaker 3: Hey, Dago boarding Man, Hi bun, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: Petty Fother's Day?

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Speaker 2: Thank you you too?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, let's see. Do I reject anybody?

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Speaker 4: Actually?

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Speaker 5: So?

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Speaker 6: How did you start it off where we were? Howd

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Speaker 6: just do an only active players? In the last two

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Speaker 6: years we've opened it up to all active practice squad

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Speaker 6: guys who've been in the league who might not be

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Speaker 6: on a team yet. So no, it is as long

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Speaker 6: as I can get a hold of those guys and

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Speaker 6: they have NEMO address, I can send an invite form

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Speaker 6: and fill out on the registration form two they're invited.

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Speaker 6: So I think we have between eighty and ninety guys

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Speaker 6: this year, which I'm pretty excited about.

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Speaker 2: But is there a syllabus, Like if you're going to

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Speaker 2: a university, they give you a kind of a rundown

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Speaker 2: of classes that you go to, like what is required

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Speaker 2: in all seriousness? If tight End diversity.

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Speaker 6: Really for guys to be there as long as you're

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Speaker 6: on in NFL roster, were in like the last year,

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Speaker 6: you're invited. But syllabus wise, what we do is we

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Speaker 6: do a classroom session and you have guys like so,

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Speaker 6: I've talked about run blocking, past protection, yack, those are

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Speaker 6: things that I focused on the past years. Travis talks

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Speaker 6: about his route tree, how he reads coverages. Greg Olsen

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Speaker 6: talks about his routes. We've had Jordan Rita spoke former

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Speaker 6: Washington tight End about his releases this year. Evan Ingram's

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Speaker 6: going to talk, which I'm excited about. We got him

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Speaker 6: up for the first time. And Jeremy Shockey will hopefully

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Speaker 6: be teaching something. Gronk has taught something in the past,

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Speaker 6: Dallas Clark and so really it's just we try to

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Speaker 6: give We try to cover all the things that Titan

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Speaker 6: does because we're the only position that really gets to

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Speaker 6: do everything, you know, pass pro, run blocking, catching, catching

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Speaker 6: the football, scoring touchdowns, running the ball sometimes. So like

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Speaker 6: we kind of try to cover as much as possibly

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Speaker 6: can in the limited time that we have with these

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Speaker 6: guys and just we try to give them that's an

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Speaker 6: extra step forward in their careers to help them make

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Speaker 6: a team to follow and the following camp.

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Speaker 2: Are you guys like a union. I mean, it feels

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Speaker 2: like the tight end was kind of forgotten, you know

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Speaker 2: when you look at franchise tags and kind of fighting

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Speaker 2: for those salaries there. But how much how much do

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Speaker 2: you talk about the finances of playing the position?

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Speaker 3: You know what? We do that every once in a while,

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Speaker 3: you know, we do bring it.

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Speaker 6: We do talk about things other than just football, Like

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Speaker 6: we had some financial buysors come in one year and

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Speaker 6: talk about that. We had some venture guys come in

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Speaker 6: to talk about investments and so that is something. But

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Speaker 6: what we do, like, the only way for the tight

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Speaker 6: end market to continue to grow is if everybody's getting paid.

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Speaker 3: That's that's the only way to do it.

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Speaker 6: That You can't just have one guy do it and

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Speaker 6: then it just sits for three or four years, because

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Speaker 6: then you're stuck and it's staggning. No one's getting paid.

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Speaker 6: So we want everybody, Like I want everybody to have

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Speaker 6: great seasons. I want everybody to have great games, just

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Speaker 6: not against the forty nine ers, but throughout the rest

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Speaker 6: the season. They can play as well as they want

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Speaker 6: to because I want guys to get paid to keep

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Speaker 6: bumping up that market. So by the time that you know,

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Speaker 6: brock Bowers is doing his contract in three years.

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Speaker 3: He's going for over twenty million, which he will. And

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Speaker 3: that's just the whole point.

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Speaker 6: You know, when tight end you first started, I think

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Speaker 6: the top of the mark was fifteen and now we're

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Speaker 6: almost twenty. So like we're continually growing it. And you know,

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Speaker 6: as a tight end and as a position who does everything, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I think we should be making more money, but we're

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Speaker 6: working on it.

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Speaker 2: I go back to Jimmy Graham. Jimmy Graham didn't want

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Speaker 2: to be paid as a tight end, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know what that did to the salary structure, but I

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Speaker 2: know he was very vocal at the time that hey,

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Speaker 2: I knew what wide receivers do as well as play

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Speaker 2: tight end. Did that change the salary structure?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 6: I think it was a step in the right direction,

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Speaker 6: because I don't I think they still paid him like

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Speaker 6: a tight end, but like, just getting that idea out there,

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Speaker 6: it kind of made everybody else kind of think about

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Speaker 6: it and be like, yeah, you know what, You're right, Hey,

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Speaker 6: how come I have eighty catches in eleven hundred yards

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Speaker 6: and ten touchdowns. And you know, Travis Kelsey was making

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Speaker 6: like eight million dollars in the next wide receivers making

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Speaker 6: eighteen to twenty at the time. So it's just like,

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Speaker 6: how can you, you know, not respect that position enough

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Speaker 6: to give him that money, Because if you look back

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Speaker 6: to it, like the last what ten Super Bowls, there's

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Speaker 6: basically a Pro Bowl or Crene All Pro tight end

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Speaker 6: in every single one of those games making plays, and

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Speaker 6: so the team that have great tight ends usually win

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Speaker 6: the most football games in my opinion, So just keep

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Speaker 6: emphasizing those tight ends and keep paying them a lot

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Speaker 6: of money.

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Speaker 2: George Kittle on behalf of tight End University and presented

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Speaker 2: by Bud Light fifth year that they've had this in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: How much do you joke with Rock Party now on

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Speaker 2: how much he's making.

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, it's so nice. He can pay for

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Speaker 6: our Halloween party. Now, Dan, I'm so excited about it.

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Speaker 6: That's been on. You know, Jimmy g used to pay

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Speaker 6: for it. That's what the quarterback does.

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Speaker 2: And then uh wait wait wait what's the Halloween party? Like,

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Speaker 2: what what does that encompass?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 6: We just like rent, we ran out of a restaurant,

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Speaker 6: a bar area. Just make it a private event so

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Speaker 6: guys can go to it with their wife's significant other.

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Speaker 6: It's just like I like to I like to congregate

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Speaker 6: outside of theacility so you can actually build these relationships,

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Speaker 6: enjoy going to the work with the guys. And I'm

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Speaker 6: always big the one thing the Niners do a good

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Speaker 6: job of. They always bring the wives and the families

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Speaker 6: in all the time to a couple of events throughout

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Speaker 6: the year, and so I just want to reemphasize that.

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Speaker 6: So you know, so like when you know, my wife

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Speaker 6: goes to the game, it's not the first time she's

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Speaker 6: hanging out with one of our defensive lineman's wives. You know,

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Speaker 6: something like that, just so you do they have a

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Speaker 6: relationship and gives guys an opportunity to loss some steaming

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Speaker 6: in the season, whether we're having a good year or

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Speaker 6: a bad year. And so hopefully Brock will be paying

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Speaker 6: for that one. Hopefully he's paying for a lot of

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Speaker 6: stuff that'd be helpful. I would enjoy that.

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Speaker 2: But you can joke with him about oh yeah, the

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Speaker 2: amount of money.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you know what it's I told him, you know,

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Speaker 6: before the deal's even done. I was like, you guys

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Speaker 6: are in a different status for this quarterback market. Like

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Speaker 6: I'm over here fighting for nineteen to twenty million dollars

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Speaker 6: a year and you're you're above fifty. So I was like, look,

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Speaker 6: just whatever, you know, whatever's best for you, guys. I

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Speaker 6: know you'll make the right decision. But you know, I'm

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Speaker 6: happy for Brock to him and his wife finally got

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Speaker 6: it done.

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Speaker 2: And McCaffrey, though he makes good coin to you got

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Speaker 2: a lot of guys who make a lot of money.

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Speaker 3: On the we have a lot of guys make a

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Speaker 3: lot of money. We have a lot of guys who

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Speaker 3: make a lot of football plays. So I feel like

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Speaker 3: that's good for football.

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Speaker 2: McCaffrey, did you get invited to his wedding?

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Speaker 4: I did.

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Speaker 3: I was there. I had a fantastic time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what are you getting for a wedding gift?

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Speaker 3: What did I get him for a wedding gift?

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Speaker 6: I flew into Rhode Island from Nashville, Tennessee, which is

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Speaker 6: kind of hard to get. And then I just give

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Speaker 6: him my valuable time. It's hard to get a gift

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Speaker 6: for somebody who you get whatever they want. Man, that's

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Speaker 6: always the toughest thing.

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Speaker 2: But you could have, you know, an autograph jersey.

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Speaker 6: You know what that is. That's a good one. You know,

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Speaker 6: I usually trade. I trade jersey with my teammates after

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Speaker 6: we no longer teammates. So like me and Deevo finally

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Speaker 6: traded jerseys for the first time, which is pretty fun.

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Speaker 6: I got a tarvarious Ward jersey. But yeah, at some point,

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Speaker 6: you know, I could get Christian trying to think. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I find I could find like a fun Kevin Grant jersey,

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Speaker 6: Kevin Garnett jersey or something like that.

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Speaker 2: Wait, he's fans of those.

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Speaker 3: Kevin guard I mean he does like basketball.

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Speaker 2: But that's one thing.

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Speaker 3: I have a good memorabilia guy.

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Speaker 6: Like I just got one of my best friends to

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Speaker 3: He was blown away.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's pretty sick. Yeah, that's he's the man who

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Speaker 2: benches more. You were McCaffrey bench press.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take myself on that.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna even though he's got a little bit shorter

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Speaker 6: take myself.

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Speaker 2: How about a tight end university.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I definitely don't bench the most of the tight

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Speaker 6: end university that is that is not, but we do.

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Speaker 3: We do have some fun workouts.

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Speaker 6: We do a little it's called arm Farm Friday, and

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Speaker 6: we just see how big our bicyps and tryceups can

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Speaker 6: get for a day.

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Speaker 3: That's always pretty fun.

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Speaker 2: Do you film this stuff?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, we filmed so, Like we have classroom sessions that

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Speaker 6: we have cameras on that, you know, we can send

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Speaker 6: out to the guys afterwards so that they can revisit those.

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Speaker 3: Lessons in public. Uh clips and stuff like that.

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Speaker 6: Not necessarily all the classroom stuff because I like to

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Speaker 6: keep that kind of private for the guys to learn.

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Speaker 6: All the on the field stuff though, that's recorded. We

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Speaker 6: push that out as much as we possibly can, you know,

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Speaker 6: just grills and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Can you kid Travis Kelcey about Taylor Swift?

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Speaker 3: I think Greg Olsen does that enough for everybody.

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Speaker 2: Give me a for give me for instance.

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Speaker 6: Uh well, we first off, we just call Greg Olsen

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Speaker 6: Dad twenty four to seven. That's what me and Travis

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Speaker 6: call him, because he's like you should see the way

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Speaker 6: he coaches on the field.

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Speaker 3: It's like he's coaching Pop Warner football. It's fantastic. But

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Speaker 3: he likes to. He likes to give.

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Speaker 6: Everybody some crap every once in a while, whether it's

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Speaker 6: Travis in his relationship with Taylor. It's all good hearted though,

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Speaker 6: because we all love Traravis. I mean, Travis has done

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Speaker 6: so much for Titan News and so much for the

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Speaker 6: Titan position. And you know, when you're as awesome of

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Speaker 6: a guy that he is, it's kind of it's really

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Speaker 6: fun just you know, bust his balls once in a while.

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Speaker 2: I know you want to mention your sponsors there. We

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Speaker 2: Game Analyst, PJ. How are you excellent?

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Speaker 2: and he takes over. Indiana knows he's taken over, and

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Speaker 4: down the stretch. He wants the ball. He's herky, jerky.

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Speaker 4: So the rest of the game, he'll involve his team.

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Speaker 2: Other topics help me understand the Desmond Vane trade from

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Speaker 4: Well, I can understand it from the Orlando side in

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Speaker 4: I don't think the coaching is necessarily the absolute key.

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Speaker 4: They really gave up a lot much Casep. The jury's

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Speaker 4: out on I loved him in Denver, liked him in LA.

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Speaker 4: He had a really tough year. Is he too old?

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Speaker 2: PJ Carlissimo, former NBA coach an analyst for the Mothership.

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Speaker 2: He'll be covering the NBA finals. You mentioned the Knicks.

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Speaker 2: What are the Knicks doing?

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Speaker 4: They don't know, Deve Peter's no way we know they

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Speaker 4: with the ownership how much there's interference there. I don't

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're really thinking, I don't like playing

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Speaker 4: they picked good teams to call those guys that are

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Speaker 4: very good coaches. Why would you ever give permission for

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Speaker 2: Any chance, any chance Rick Brunson takes over as the

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Speaker 4: I would have thought, yes, everybody's telling me no. And

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Speaker 4: I would have thought it just doesn't seem to be

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Speaker 2: Kevin Durant's value now is what.

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Speaker 4: I think, still very very good. He's still is going

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Speaker 4: We talked about how special Shay is. Kevin in his prime,

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Speaker 4: was so big, he was so good with the ball.

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Speaker 4: He shot threes, shoots threes even.

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Speaker 2: Better better than Lebron closing time or step closing.

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Speaker 4: I think, yes, you know I want him because Lebron

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Speaker 4: always as great as Lebron is. He was never a

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Speaker 4: great free throw shoot. He's become He's much better than

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Speaker 4: he was. Kad was the whole package. He was going

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Speaker 4: to shoot ninety percent free throws. He was too big,

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Speaker 4: he could shoot over everybody. He had a good handle

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Speaker 2: What's the best performance you ever witnessed, whether you're coaching

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Speaker 4: Well, I want to say Tim Duncan, but I'm trying

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Speaker 4: to think of an individual one the five years I

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Speaker 4: was lucky enough to be an assistant in San Antonio,

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Speaker 4: there were so many times that he got us through

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Speaker 4: to the end. But he wasn't you know, he wasn't

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Speaker 4: one of those guys that normally put up like forty

442
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Speaker 4: and did like twenty two points in a row. That's

443
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Speaker 4: a heck of a question. I'm tempted to say somebody

444
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Speaker 4: like Kevin, but I'm getting senile, So I can't really

445
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Speaker 4: come up with an opponent or a game where I

446
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Speaker 4: just like sat there and said, I can't believe what

447
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Speaker 4: this guy's doing. Just scored, you know, like kind of

448
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Speaker 4: what Shade did the other night, what it was at

449
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Speaker 4: fifteen in the last sixteen. But not taking anything away,

450
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Speaker 4: he's he is the MVP. He's great. Jolkic is another one.

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Speaker 4: DP I don't I would. I know, we don't want

452
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Speaker 4: to get into the Jokic Shay debate right now, but

453
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Speaker 4: Jokic did that a number of times. The way he

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Speaker 4: impacted a game, I mean in so many different ways,

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Speaker 4: with the passing, with the scoring himself, with getting in

456
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Speaker 4: the free throw line, the way he understands the game.

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Speaker 2: What about witness anything with Jordan?

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Speaker 4: Oh, I mean that was like automatic, but it was

459
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Speaker 4: like you were so immune to it. You're just like

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Speaker 4: when he did it, you go, yeah, of course. It

461
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Speaker 4: was kind of like when they when they ran out

462
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Speaker 4: of time, whether yesterday they put Tiger on and it

463
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Speaker 4: was like a nice watching I had forgotten that last

464
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Speaker 4: butt rolled around a little bit. But Rocco wasn't being

465
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Speaker 4: smagger game. He went like, yeah, of course he made

466
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Speaker 4: the butt. That's what Tiger does. That was the way

467
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Speaker 4: it was mj Like whatever he did, you just go okay,

468
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Speaker 4: you know if that's what Michael Jordan did, which made

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Speaker 4: it kind of special that you actually expected it and

470
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Speaker 4: you just kind of shrug your shoulders and go, yeah,

471
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Speaker 4: that was Michael Jordan. It's funny talking to a lot

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Speaker 4: of the younger players now, in a sense, they certainly

473
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Speaker 4: don't remember them, but they haven't even seen him that much. Honestly,

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Speaker 4: they don't appreciate exactly what he did on a regular basis.

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Speaker 2: What was more physical the NBA in the eighties or

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Speaker 2: the Big East in the eighties.

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Speaker 4: I think in the eighties it was actually the Big

478
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Speaker 4: East because nothing was called. It was great, it was expected.

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Speaker 4: This series, talking about physical, you got two teams that

480
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Speaker 4: prefer to pick up folk court. Anytime there's a dead ball,

481
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Speaker 4: they'll both pick up ninety four feet. They have a

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Speaker 4: lot of physical defenders. That's the way they defend. It's

483
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Speaker 4: really hard to officiate this series because there's contact and

484
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Speaker 4: there's guys laying on each other virtually every play. And

485
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Speaker 4: when you go to the lane, it's very rare when

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Speaker 4: somebody gets all the way to the basket with like

487
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Speaker 4: without home Grin or Miles Turner or a couple of

488
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Speaker 4: these really good long athletes just challenging every shot. I

489
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Speaker 4: really think the defense in this series is excellent.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're not fighting like you guys did in

491
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Speaker 2: the eighties.

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Speaker 4: Ill that was just I mean, it was just I

493
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Speaker 4: don't know whether Dave had him to Dave Gavin had

494
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Speaker 4: a meeting with the officials or what. But it was

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Speaker 4: like the funny part was it was expected though, Like

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Speaker 4: you didn't even look like a guy would go through

497
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Speaker 4: get knocked down. He'd be up, he'd be bleeding. Nobody

498
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Speaker 4: would say a word. It was like, okay, now they

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Speaker 4: follow us. That's the way it was. You know what

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Speaker 4: it was like on the playground DP when you were

501
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Speaker 4: young and it was a game to eleven and it

502
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Speaker 4: got to be ten ten, Well you had to like

503
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Speaker 4: make a jump shot or something like that because if

504
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Speaker 4: you an inside, guys just punched you, knocked you down.

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Speaker 4: That was the way the Big East was. Oh, he

506
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Speaker 4: was most of the possessions in the game.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you. Save that voice for tonight. Sorry, well, brother,

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Speaker 2: thank you DP.

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Speaker 4: Good seeing you.

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Speaker 2: Great to see you, PJ, PJ. Carlossimo. He'll be on

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Speaker 2: the call tonight.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan

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Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific

514
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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio WAPP.

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Speaker 2: I have to get to Steve San's of Golf Channel.

516
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Speaker 2: Very popular play by play announcer, host and interviewer Steve

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Speaker 2: how are you Shooter?

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Speaker 5: McGavin was at the players this year, Dan, and I

519
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Speaker 5: was on a stage with him and got to meet

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Speaker 5: him and then hang out with him for a little while,

521
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Speaker 5: and I was like, man, this is a man. Shooter

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Speaker 5: McGavin's like an incredible character in sports movie lore, and

523
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Speaker 5: it was pretty wild. But let me get back to

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Speaker 5: the Adam Sandler thing. One love when you name drop.

525
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Speaker 5: I think that's very cool. And Two, how in the

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Speaker 5: world can you walk block after block in New York

527
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Speaker 5: City and only have one person ask for your autograph?

528
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Speaker 5: You came to dinner with me about a month ago

529
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Speaker 5: in winter Park and we couldn't take a bite without

530
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Speaker 5: everyone in the restaurant running by and calling, Oh my god,

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Speaker 5: that's Keith Orperman. But I'm sorry, Dan, what's going on?

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Speaker 2: Good to have you back on, Steve.

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Speaker 5: It's great that you're with you, Dan. How are you doing, buddy?

534
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Speaker 2: The best golf movie of all time.

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Speaker 5: Is oh, Caddy Shack.

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Speaker 3: It's not even close.

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Speaker 5: Come on, really, come on, I mean Caddy Shack. You can.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I love Adam Sandler and I love all

539
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Speaker 5: things golf genre with Adam Sandler. I mean, come on now,

540
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Speaker 5: I mean Caddy Shack. Is there something better than caddy shack.

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Speaker 5: Are you gonna give me Kevin cost and that whole thing?

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Speaker 2: Okay? If I take caddy Shack off the board?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 5: Man, you know, I haven't seen the second version, but

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Speaker 5: the first version with Adam Sandler, I mean that made

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Speaker 5: me laugh out loud. I mean, golf usually doesn't make

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Speaker 5: you laugh out loud. Yeah, I gotta see. I gotta

548
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Speaker 5: see the second version though. Are you saying it's good?

549
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Speaker 5: Were you in the movie by the way, Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Wow, of course.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'll tell you what, man, you you're a

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Speaker 5: big time man, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, but I always find time for you, is that right?

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Speaker 5: Yes, you come to the Orlando area like once a month,

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Speaker 5: that I hear from you once a year. Is that

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Speaker 5: always making time for me?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Yes, because I got to meet up with rich Lerner

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Speaker 2: uh Faldo. Like there's a lot of a lot of Yeah, a.

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Speaker 5: Lot of the best, the best. The best part about

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Speaker 5: you living in that circle of people is that Lerner

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Speaker 5: now lives in Connecticut and Foudo lives in Montana. And

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Speaker 5: you're saying that you have to see them both when

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Speaker 5: you're in Orlando. Yes, that's my favorite part.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I drive their old houses.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's nice. That's nice of you.

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Speaker 2: Okay. I love what rich Lerner said last night. He

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Speaker 2: said that JJ spawn he beat the best and he

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Speaker 2: beat the beast. Yeah, he did in in that order.

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Speaker 2: Did he beat the best or did he beat the beast?

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Speaker 5: I think he beat the beasts first. I think certain

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Speaker 5: may your championship venues. Aside from Augusta National, which hosts

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Speaker 5: the Masters every year, there's certain US Open and PGA

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Speaker 5: Championship and Open Championship venues that just mean more. They

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Speaker 5: just do you do it Open at Saint Andrew's and

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Speaker 5: it means more than most of the other venues. And

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Speaker 5: I think Oakmont is one of those places. Dan, when

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Speaker 5: you win at Oakmont, you have conquered Oakmont more than

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Speaker 5: you've conquered the other one hundred and fifty five guys

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Speaker 5: who were in the field. I agree with rich but

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Speaker 5: I would go beast before the field.

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Speaker 2: How many golf courses in the world do we tune

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Speaker 2: in to see the golf course and then you tune

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Speaker 2: in to see how the players play the golf course.

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Speaker 5: Augusta National for the Masters every year. I've never been anywhere,

586
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Speaker 5: you know. I've said this to people all the time.

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Speaker 5: You can go to Churchill Downs on the first Saturday

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Speaker 5: in May. You're going to turn around and watch the derby.

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Speaker 5: At some point you're gonna go to Wrigley or Fenway

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Speaker 5: or whatever your cathedrals are, fog Allen. At some point,

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00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 5: whatever your cathedrals are. In sports, you're gonna be watching

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Speaker 5: the sporting event you can walk in. We talked about

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Speaker 5: this before, Dan. You can go to Augusta, get a

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Speaker 5: badge for a day, walk around, eat those horrible Prometo

595
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 5: cheese sandwiches, buy yourself two thousand dollars worth of merchandise

596
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Speaker 5: because you think you're never going to go back there again,

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00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 5: and you have to buy something for every human being

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Speaker 5: you've ever met in your life, whether you love them

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Speaker 5: or not. Have a beer, walk the eighteen holes, see

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Speaker 5: the place you're so familiar with, not see a single

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00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 5: golf shot, and walk away, go home and go that's

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Speaker 5: the best day of my life. And you never saw

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Speaker 5: a shot. The course at Augusta National matters. Pebble Beach,

604
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 5: I think is in that category. We see that regularly.

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00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 5: But you can just walk around Pebble and enjoy the

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00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:46,439
Speaker 5: beauty and again Saint Andrew's the familiarity of it, the

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Speaker 5: history of it. But I think it's those three if

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Speaker 5: you're gonna do a US Open. I think next year's

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Speaker 5: venue might be the best golf course in America shinnecock

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Speaker 5: Out on the tip of Long Island. But Oakmont is

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Speaker 5: one of those places that's hosts the most. And but

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Speaker 5: it's also it's just so famous for being hard. It's

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Speaker 5: just so hard. It's fun for US hacks to watch

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Speaker 5: the best players in the world try to get it

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Speaker 5: around there.

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Speaker 2: He Steve Sands, NBC sports play by play announcer, host

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Speaker 2: interviewer working for the Golf Channel as well. When you

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Speaker 2: start to look at what how this played out, you

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Speaker 2: didn't have big names at the top of the leaderboard

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Speaker 2: right why.

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Speaker 5: You know, somebody told me a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 5: I found it interesting. PGA Tour events, week in week

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Speaker 5: out are not set up as difficult as this. So

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Speaker 5: if you're a little bit off your game and you're

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Speaker 5: still the best player in the world, you can get

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Speaker 5: it out of the rough, you can get it up

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Speaker 5: and in around the greens. You can't do that at

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Speaker 5: the US Open. So if the best players in the

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Speaker 5: world are just a little bit off at a regular

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Speaker 5: tour event, they still end up on a leaderboard, whereas

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Speaker 5: in a US Open, especially a US Open at Oakmont,

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Speaker 5: if you're a little off the target, like Scheffler was,

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Speaker 5: like Rory was, like Awfully was, like Ludvig Oldberg was.

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Speaker 5: You know, if your top four or five players in

635
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Speaker 5: the world just a hair off of a US Open,

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Speaker 5: you're gonna get punished. And those guys got punished last week.

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Speaker 2: Why isn't Rory meeting with the media when he has

638
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Speaker 2: a bad round?

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Speaker 5: You know what's sad?

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Speaker 2: Dan?

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Speaker 5: I forget the night we had dinner. I'm being all

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Speaker 5: kidding aside. We had dinner one night and we were

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Speaker 5: talking about this at dinner, and it's still going on.

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Speaker 5: I think he's really bothered by what happened at the

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Speaker 5: PGA Championship when the USGA and the PGA of America

646
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Speaker 5: basically threw him under the bus and leaked out that

647
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Speaker 5: his driver had to get taken away. So did Scotti,

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Speaker 5: Scheffler's by the way, Dan, and he went on to win,

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Speaker 5: but his name wasn't leaked out.

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Speaker 2: Rory's was.

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Speaker 5: He had just won the career Grand Slam. You know,

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Speaker 5: I think that I think there's a motivation factor going

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Speaker 5: on right now that he's trying to find that gear again.

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Speaker 5: His whole life was geared towards doing something. Now that

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Speaker 5: he's done it, he's naturally kind of taking his foot

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Speaker 5: off the gas a little bit. I think he's upset

657
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 5: that his name was leaked out. He didn't like the

658
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Speaker 5: way the media handled that. The media actually went forward

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Speaker 5: with that, as opposed to perhaps going to him off

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Speaker 5: the record and say, hey, I just found this out.

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00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 5: What would you like me to do with it because

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Speaker 5: I have to go report it that kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: And I also think he's not playing very well Dan,

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Speaker 5: and I don't think he likes talking about that too often.

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Speaker 5: But I got to tell you, as much as I

666
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 5: love Rory, I think you have to be professional and

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00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 5: you have to speak when you win and when you lose.

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Speaker 5: Jack Nicholas was the greatest champion in the sport, Dan,

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Speaker 5: he was also the greatest loser in the sport, and

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Speaker 5: I think he needs to man up and speak to

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Speaker 5: the media because you don't want them directing the narrative.

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00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 5: You should direct the narrative. And I think he's making

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00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 5: a mistake and I hope he gets back and starts

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Speaker 5: to do what he normally does because, by the way, Dan,

675
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 5: he's so great with the media, he needs to do it.

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Speaker 5: It's not professional.

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Speaker 2: Because Jack won eighteen majors. I think he finished runner

678
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Speaker 2: up nineteen times.

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Speaker 5: Yes, nineteen times. And by the way, Rory is such

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00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 5: a good guy, and he's so smart and insightful, and

681
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 5: he's fabulous with the writers. He's fabulous on podcasts, he's

682
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 5: fabulous on fabulous on shows like yours and on TV

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Speaker 5: with us. You know, I hope he gets back to

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Speaker 5: doing it regularly because he's so good at it. But

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00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 5: right now he's in a little bit of a funk

686
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 5: with the media and he's not giving the media what.

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Speaker 3: It wants to.

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Speaker 5: By the way, Dan, one last thing on that he

689
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 5: doesn't owe the media. You and I talked about this.

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00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 5: No athlete owes the media anything. They're right when they

691
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 5: say that. They shouldn't say that out loud, but they

692
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 5: don't owe the media anything. They do owe their fans

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00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 5: and their sponsors everything. The media just happens to be

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Speaker 5: the conduit between the athlete and the audience, whether it's

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Speaker 5: sponsors or whether it's fans. And I think that players

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00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 5: need to get out of the realm of thinking we

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00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 5: owe the media something, we owe the fans that sponsors something.

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00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 5: The media is just the outlet between the two parties.

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Speaker 2: Didn't Rory make you cry?

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Speaker 5: He did make me cry at royal Port Rush in

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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 4: My mother.

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Speaker 5: I'll tell you quick story. My mother had just passed away.

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Speaker 5: And you know, you hear from a lot of people.

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00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 5: You hear from a lot of family and friends. Clearly

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00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 5: you know when your parents passed away or someone close

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Speaker 5: he passes away. This case, it was my mom. We

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Speaker 5: go to Northern Ireland and I had never heard from Rory.

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00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: I hadn't seen Rory since my mother had passed away.

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00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 5: It had been about three weeks and he missed the

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Speaker 5: cut at Royal Port Rush in his home country, which

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00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 5: had all the pressure on his shoulders and his back

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Speaker 5: going into that week, and right before we were about

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Speaker 5: to do the interview on Friday, after missing the cut,

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Speaker 5: after all that emotion from him, he literally looks at

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Speaker 5: Tommy Roy's in my year going okay. Thirty seconds out

717
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 5: said great, and Rory looks at me and goes, hey,

718
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Speaker 5: I didn't want to text you and I hadn't seen

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Speaker 5: you puts his hand on my arm and says, I'm

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Speaker 5: so sorry to hear about your mom. I wanted to

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Speaker 5: make sure I told you that in person, and E yikes,

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Speaker 5: Dand I mean we were out on the air, but

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Speaker 5: I was like, whoa. I backed away from the camera,

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Speaker 5: hit the talk back button and said to Tommy. I

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00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 5: said to Tommy Roy, you're gonna need a minute. He goes, no,

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00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 5: we gotta get so, we gotta get to you. And

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Speaker 5: I go, I'm gonna need a minute. And I looked

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00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 5: at Rory Way, you gotta be kidding me, and it was, Uh,

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Speaker 5: it was a very very nice moment. Gives you a

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Speaker 5: little bit of insight as to what type of human

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Speaker 5: being he is, which is why we all want to

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Speaker 5: hear from him whether he wins or loses. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: that was a It was a very very nice thing.

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Speaker 5: He definitely got me, and not many people get me,

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Speaker 5: but he got me hard there.

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Speaker 2: Great to talk to you again, Dan, You're the best man.

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Speaker 4: I love you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Steve Sands