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Speaker 1: Final week of the preseason, final chance to make an

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Speaker 1: impression before roster cuts. Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show,

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Speaker 1: Zach Ershman joins me. The preseason finale finds the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: playing the Broncos because it's always the Broncos, or so

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Speaker 1: it seems. Regardless, it is the last opportunity for a

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Speaker 1: number of players to prove they deserve a spot on

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Speaker 1: the fifty three man roster. It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode

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Speaker 1: seven eighty seven, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two, p.

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Speaker 3: To Baker, What Heart?

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Speaker 1: What rent?

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Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again?

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Speaker 3: Some more hurry magic, WHOA, here's Craigcriolo.

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Speaker 1: Well, the fight for fifty three nears its conclusion, the

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Speaker 1: final opportunity for a number of players, at least, if

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Speaker 1: you hear what Jonathan Gannon had to say on Friday morning,

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Speaker 1: A number of players battling for potential roster spots, for

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Speaker 1: potential roster roles. As far as game day is concerned,

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Speaker 1: that preseason game comes up on Sunday in Denver. One

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Speaker 1: thirty is the kickoff nine to thirty. Pre game coverage

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Speaker 1: begins on the Arizona Cardinals Radio network. Before we dive

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Speaker 1: into that topic, though, Zach, we do also need to

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Speaker 1: mention something else that JG had to say, and this

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Speaker 1: is concerning rookie defensive lineman Darius Robinson, who, according to JG,

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Speaker 1: got hurt in practice on Thursday, suffered a calf injury,

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Speaker 1: will undergo imaging, and now we all keep our fingers

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Speaker 1: crossed that it is nothing serious because Robinson was one

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Speaker 1: in the preseason game but throughout training camp.

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Speaker 3: Deer rob has had had a very sharp camp so far.

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Speaker 3: He's looked really good. He looked at he was. When

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Speaker 3: johnath Deanna was asked, does Darius have a chance to

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Speaker 3: be a starter, he right away said one hundred percent

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Speaker 3: he does. Now, if he were to be or was

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Speaker 3: fact that he was going to get imaging on Friday.

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Speaker 3: You got to hope for the best for the for

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Speaker 1: Still, the defense already suffered one big hit that was

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Speaker 1: that it is good news concerning Darius Robinson, who wasn't

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Speaker 1: play against the Denver Broncos. The expectation, though, at least

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Speaker 1: according to one report NFL Networks Ian Rapaport reporting that

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Speaker 1: All JG mentioned about that backup quarterback competition was that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, And Clayton Tune has had a pretty decent

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Speaker 3: But Clayton has looked quite strong. He's had moments where

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Speaker 1: But I would be curious if that is the case,

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Speaker 3: not the reports. Could you know definitely be refuted, but

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Speaker 1: Again one thirty kickoff on Sunday nine to thirty pre

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Speaker 1: this is the twenty first meeting between the Cardinals and

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Speaker 3: Really well, last year was the first game, Yes, Jonathan

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Speaker 3: That's what you go out to play this game for.

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Speaker 3: And you learn a lot about your team when they're losing,

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Speaker 3: How do they respond to that? And it could be

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Speaker 3: While we talk a lot about momentum, is it real? Potentially,

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Speaker 3: we don't fully know. These guys have spent so much

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Speaker 1: What we know about JG anytime he steps between the

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Speaker 1: Drew Petsing echoed those same comments, but Drew also mentioned

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Speaker 3: Especially as many times consistently consecutively as he did it,

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure Christian Jones felt the same exact thing,

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Speaker 3: Denver Broncos that probably has the most rioting on this

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Speaker 1: Your first four wide receivers are set, Yes, Marvin Harrison Junior,

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Speaker 1: of continue to work on your skill set. Are your

435
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Speaker 1: eyes where you need to be at that safety position

436
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: and knowing that once the regular season hits, you're behind

437
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Speaker 1: Buddha Baker and Jalen Thompson. And do you see a

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Speaker 1: third safety in a dime package or is it more

439
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 1: a cornerback that's out there as opposed to another safety?

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Speaker 1: But I like the way that rabbit flies around the

441
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Speaker 1: field and once that ball is in the air or

442
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Speaker 1: it's in the receiver's hands, he is right there. And

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Speaker 1: it's good to see because it shows me that he's

444
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Speaker 1: where he needs to be to make the play. Again,

445
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Speaker 1: got to be consistent at it. But he's someone that

446
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Speaker 1: is certainly flash and I'd put him in the category

447
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Speaker 1: of Xavier Thomas that Day three pick. They've certainly done

448
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Speaker 1: a lot. Have they done enough to where they can

449
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Speaker 1: go through pregame warm ups and then be spectators on

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Speaker 1: the field once the game starts?

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Speaker 3: Okay, can we do a little a little on the

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Speaker 3: fly task here? Sure? And this is this is live

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Speaker 3: programming for all of our Cover two listeners right now

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Speaker 3: outside of Marvin and Darius, who which rookies had the

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Speaker 3: top camp? Considering the whole body of work and entering

456
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Speaker 3: this game against the Denver Broncos, who would you put

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Speaker 3: as your number one rookie. Cause right now I put

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Speaker 3: I put rabbit.

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Speaker 1: I put probably, I would go because of the position

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Speaker 1: of need. I'd go Xavier Thomas as my top rookie

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Speaker 1: who has done enough.

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Speaker 3: If we're if we're.

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Speaker 1: Excluding, yeah, we're suing the first, then I would go

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Speaker 1: Xavier Thomas as my number one rookie, who I've been

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Speaker 1: impressed with more than anyone else. Now I don't know

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Speaker 1: if he's going to have an impact more than then

467
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Speaker 1: say Tip Ryman, because with this offense, I think tip

468
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Speaker 1: Riman might have a bigger role right away compared to

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Speaker 1: maybe Exavier Thomas. We'll see how that shakes out. But Thomas,

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Speaker 1: to me is the guy that I was intrigued with

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Speaker 1: coming in, and I'm even more now anxious to see

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Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing what he can do once the

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Speaker 1: season begins.

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Speaker 3: I think intriguing is the word I would use to

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Speaker 3: describe Xavier Thomas and what he's able to bring, because

476
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Speaker 3: he was that highly touted prospect coming out of high school,

477
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Speaker 3: was the guy at Clemson for the first two years

478
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Speaker 3: prior to the COVID pandemic, and then obviously we know

479
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Speaker 3: his story and he has spoken very openly about his

480
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Speaker 3: story and you start to see him slip down the

481
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Speaker 3: draft boards a little bit. The Cardinals were able to

482
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Speaker 3: snag him when they did in the fifth round, and

483
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Speaker 3: he has looked really good, and it is that position

484
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Speaker 3: of need I just have been. So I've loved the

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Speaker 3: way seeing rabbit flying around. And when you see him

486
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Speaker 3: flying around out there, he reminds me a lot of

487
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Speaker 3: what you already have in the safety room in Buddha

488
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Speaker 3: Baker and Jalen Thompson. So it's not like there's a

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Speaker 3: wrong answer or right answer between you and I, Craig,

490
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Speaker 3: but I think I have the right answer, and I.

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Speaker 1: See what you did there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very well done.

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Speaker 1: Anyone else on defense, key Trow because you don't know

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Speaker 1: how many cornerbacks are ultimately going to be kept, probably

495
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Speaker 1: ten defensive backs. But that split between corner and safety is.

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Speaker 3: It five corners? Is it six corners?

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Elijah Jones key Trew Clark, have you done

498
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Speaker 1: enough to say, yeah, keep me around?

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Speaker 3: I think, Elijah Jones Key Trow Clark, I would look

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Speaker 3: at Andre Sassi and Joey Blunt that fourth safety spot

501
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Speaker 3: because they've kept four last year throughout the year. But

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Speaker 3: then that also includes Rom mccanley's had a couple of

503
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Speaker 3: nice interceptions and big time plays during the training camp practices.

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Speaker 3: Darren Hall has looked really solid. They've kind of had

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Speaker 3: him all over the secondary at cornerback and then in

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Speaker 3: the safety spot. So there are a handful of different players,

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Speaker 3: but I think right now Key Trell is one of

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Speaker 3: those players, probably the most notable player of that because

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Speaker 3: of what he was able to do in the beginning

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Speaker 3: half of the season last year. When we were talking

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Speaker 3: on Covered two entering the game against Minnesota in the

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Speaker 3: preseason finale. Last year, Key Trew Clark was the biggest

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Speaker 3: bright spot of the defense because you saw a six

514
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Speaker 3: round rookie come in, have tons of swagger and confidence

515
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Speaker 3: and also back up what he talked. He backed it

516
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Speaker 3: up on the field as well. So I'm very intrigued

517
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Speaker 3: to see what that will ultimately end up looking like

518
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Speaker 3: in this game against the Denver Broncos for Key Treil Clark,

519
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Speaker 3: because this is his shot to possibly show the coaching

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Speaker 3: staff that last year wasn't a fluke and that he's

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Speaker 3: able to do it again in back to back seasons.

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Speaker 3: Despite his spot where he was drafted last year, by the.

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Speaker 1: Way, speaking of Key Treil Clark, an excellent conversation on

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Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage this week Key Trail and Paul

525
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Speaker 1: Calvisi and year two for a Day three corner who

526
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Speaker 1: probably wasn't expected to do a ton his rookie year

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Speaker 1: and saw himself in the starting lineup and then all

528
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Speaker 1: of a sudden not in the starting lineup, not even

529
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Speaker 1: being on the field, and now going into year two

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Speaker 1: a little bit more serious. Still likes to have fun,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's matured. That jump for him year

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Speaker 1: one to year two, I think is more the maturity

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Speaker 1: level and whether again that's here or somewhere else, Keith

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Speaker 1: tro Clark is going to be in the National Football League.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent, and you start to at least I

536
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Speaker 3: could personally see it when we're in the locker room,

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Speaker 3: and when we're in the locker room, media has rerange

538
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Speaker 3: to just walk around talk to whoever, and Key tro

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Speaker 3: Clark gravitated to the camera last year, and then obviously

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Speaker 3: he didn't receive as much playing time, so the cameras

541
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Speaker 3: didn't necessarily go his direction. But this year he's all

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Speaker 3: about his business and it's not like, hey, cameras, look

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Speaker 3: at me, look at what I'm doing here, And it's

544
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Speaker 3: not to say that that's what it was last year,

545
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Speaker 3: but his play on the field allowed for that to

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Speaker 3: be the case. Now his play is on the field,

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Speaker 3: and we're starting to see too that the maturity is

548
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Speaker 3: coming along with it as well, and it's exciting. It's

549
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: exciting to see because you going back to what we

550
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: started this whole conversation off with Christian Jones. When things

551
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 3: are not going your way, how do you bounce back?

552
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: Christian Jones was able to do that in the second

553
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Speaker 3: half against the Indianapolis Cult in his second year. So far,

554
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Speaker 3: Kee tro Kark has been doing the exact same thing.

555
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 3: He's had that assassin's mindset, as Nick Raulis told us,

556
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Speaker 3: So it's exciting for a six round guy like him.

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Speaker 1: One more conversation to pass along, and that is a

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Speaker 1: conversation that you had Zach with Roy Lopez, a story

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Speaker 1: that is soon to be as of press time here

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Speaker 1: as far as our recording, the Cardinals cover two to

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Speaker 1: be posted on Easy Cardinals Doctors.

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Speaker 3: As long as there's no other break the news, yes

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Speaker 3: it should be the case. But Roy Lopez from Gilbert

564
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 3: Mesquite High School, local kid but it's not so much

565
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Speaker 3: Roy Lopez the defensive lineman, but Roy Lopez the wrestler.

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Speaker 3: He wrote about, Yeah, I did. Roy Lopez is a

567
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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirteen and three wrestler in the state

568
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 3: of Arizona, two time National channel or two time state champion,

569
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Speaker 3: rather right here in the valley. So we were talking

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Speaker 3: a little bit. John Thagannon has spoken he's a huge

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Speaker 3: Roy Lopez fan. He said, if we could have ninety

572
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: Roys on this team, we'd be good to go. And

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Speaker 3: after talking to Roy Lopez, and I've had plenty of

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Speaker 3: conversations with number ninety eight, but in this one on one, like,

575
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: all I wanted to do was run through a wall

576
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: because Roy Lopez is that type of guy. We talked

577
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Speaker 3: a lot about his wrestling background, as I mentioned, two

578
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 3: time state champion, but there's a lot of correlations and

579
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: similarities between wrestling and being a nose tackle in the NFL.

580
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: His hand placement, that body to body contact, the physicality

581
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,720
Speaker 3: and the violence that you need to use in order

582
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Speaker 3: to get to the quarterback is very similar. Now he's

583
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 3: not doing no spider takedowns, flies and whatnot. He's just

584
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 3: using pure strength and as much as it's about the physicality,

585
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 3: it's the mentality component of it that he thinks when

586
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 3: he started wrestling when he was two years old. He

587
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 3: started wrestling was two three years old. His dad right

588
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 3: away put him on the map on the mat and

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00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: actually a very funny story was telling me. He said

590
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Speaker 3: his dad was also a state champion, but he only

591
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 3: won one time the state championship. And that's a family

592
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Speaker 3: that bragging rights. Definitely seems to be at the forefront

593
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Speaker 3: of the conversation when you're on when you're talking on

594
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Speaker 3: Thanksgiving because his contact name for his dad in his

595
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: phone is one timer because a two timer. So he

596
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 3: just always wants to remind his day. He always wants

597
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Speaker 3: to remind his pops, like, hey, I got I got

598
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Speaker 3: one more than you. But yes, dad put him on

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Speaker 3: the mat when he was about one, about two three

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Speaker 3: years old. And that ability to line up against somebody,

601
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Speaker 3: look them nose to nose, eye to eye, and get

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Speaker 3: ready to say I'm going to out muscle you. Even

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Speaker 3: doing that such a young gauge has propelled him to

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Speaker 3: have a successful career in the National Football League because

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Speaker 3: he said, when it's hot and it's hot outside here

606
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Speaker 3: in Arizona and an offensive lineman has their hands on

607
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: their hips and you can know that they're dealing with

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Speaker 3: the elements. Roy's locked in. He's saying, I'm winning the

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00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: rap because I already know when you go down into

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00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 3: your stance, you're thinking about all the elements. I'm thinking

611
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: about my job, and my job is to beat you.

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna be here all day, all four quarters,

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00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: and Craig I was ready to run through a wall.

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Speaker 3: Great story on Roy Lopez Azycardinals dot com. By the way,

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Speaker 3: his father, Roy Lopez, an outstanding high school football coach

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Speaker 3: and Arizona So I actually covered his father, And yes,

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Speaker 3: I did cover.

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Speaker 1: Roy Lopez when he played football as well. And now

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Speaker 1: here I am covering him again here with the Arizona

620
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Speaker 1: Cardinals full circle.

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Speaker 3: And look, he was dominant then. He was a decorated

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Speaker 3: athlete in the valley when he was in high school

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Speaker 3: and now in multiple sports. And now he gets to,

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Speaker 3: you know, continue on with that trajectory here in the

625
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 3: NFL and the and the best league, in the toughest

626
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: league possible. However, he did say, without a doubt, zero hesitation,

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Speaker 3: wrestling is the hardest sport. Okay, I'll take his I'll

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Speaker 3: take his word for it. Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm

629
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 3: not gonna argue with Roy Lopez. You know, he told

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Speaker 3: me he trained in Colorado where they have all the

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Speaker 3: where they have the Team USA, and he was turning

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00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 3: out all the conditioning and the guys are running and

633
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: he's like, yo, I'm here for fun, like you guys

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Speaker 3: keep on running. And now he's got the chance, will

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Speaker 3: he be out there on the field against the Denver

636
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: Broncos in Colorado? I don't really know. I don't think so.

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00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I wouldnt would I wouldn't expect

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00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 3: it either. But at least we know he's got familiar

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00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: familiarity out there with that elevation, because that's a.

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Speaker 1: That's a tough one on the lungs Azycardinals dot Com

641
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 1: is where you can read that story. So good stuff there, Zach.

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Speaker 1: And then also again preseason finale one thirty kickoff on

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Speaker 1: Sunday nine thirty. Pre game covers begins on the Arizona

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00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Cardinals Radio Network. Cardinals at the Broncos, one last opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and then don't forget Tuesday final cuts. You gotta go

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Speaker 1: guy to get down to at least no more. I

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00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: should say no more than fifty three players by Tuesday afternoon,

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Speaker 1: and of course we're off to the races. One more

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Speaker 1: week and then week one at the Buffalo Bills starting

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Speaker 1: in September eighth.

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Speaker 1: of Cardinals, Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, has always special thanks to our executive

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Speaker 1: producer Jim Mamahundro, our associate producer Coddy Fincher. For Zach Gershman,

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Speaker 1: I'm Craig real Lou. We'll talk to you next time

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