WEBVTT - MVP: Minnesota Vikings Finalize Their 2023 Draft Class, Select Four Additional Players On Day #3 | Episode 215 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.680 Lifetime, the official athletic country Club of the Minnesota Vikings, 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:05.880 has something for every member of your family. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.280 Get your family going today at Lifetime, dot Life Forward, 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:10.120 Slash Kids. 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.600 Really excited to add those guys. You know, they bring 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:22.520 a lot of talent to our rooms, versatility, a lot 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.119 of production, and again we always talk about fit in 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:26.880 our culture and what we're trying to build, and those 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:27.400 guys all do. 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.839 Welcome into the third and final NFL Draft edition of 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:37.120 the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. I'm Tatum Everett. We got Pete 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.200 Bursage in studio this time around. 0:00:39.320 --> 0:00:41.000 Thanks you for nice to be nice to be here. 0:00:41.640 --> 0:00:43.120 And then Jay is here. Hello. Jay. 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:47.760 We've been camping out watching the whole day unfold, little 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.400 wheeling and dealing from the GM himself, moving some trades 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.120 up and down, and so you know, we started this 0:00:54.240 --> 0:00:57.680 draft out five picks and with six guys. 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.960 That's a pretty tape a way of going. 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.880 You we needed bodies, and yeah, it's we're used to that. 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.080 I'm getting used to picking at the end of rounds, right, Yeah, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:11.120 you know what I mean. Clothing, But yeah, you gain, 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.200 you gain a couple and you trade them back. So 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.800 but that at the end of the day, you know, 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:19.520 you hope to get you know, one or two starters 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:22.560 out of this group maybe, So there's that potential and 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.319 it's just going to be interesting now to see how 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:25.440 everybody fits well. 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.440 There's an even selection across the board which I find 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.880 pretty interesting. Starting out the day obviously with the wide 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:34.319 receiver Jordan Madison, then you go corner with Makai Blackman, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.959 and then today on the third and final day, it 0:01:38.080 --> 0:01:41.959 was a fourth rounder safety Jay Ward out of LSU, 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.640 and then they drafted his teammate Chequelon Roy in the 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.800 fifth round, another fifth round selection with quarterback Chaaron Hall, 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:50.680 and at the end of the day with the running 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.600 back Dwayne McBride out of U A B in the 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.880 seventh round. Was there a favorite of yours out of 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:58.000 today's picks at all? 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.120 I haven't. I haven't had a chance to see Hall 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.320 or McBride on film on film yet, but getting a 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.000 chance to sit down and watch what Jay Ward can do. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.160 He's kind of a he's kind of an old school 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:15.360 defensive back. I think if he if the draft, if 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.680 it would have been fifteen years ago, ten years ago, 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.680 I think he would have gone a lot higher. He 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:23.600 plays very very well in the paint. He hits people, 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:29.160 he hustles, he's a leader, you know, I just you understand, 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:33.320 he's just not he doesn't move and bend and all 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:35.840 those things well enough. I think to play in the 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.440 slot for sure, because he did play corner, he did 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.840 play nickel, and he did play safety at LSU. As 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:44.400 a position player, He's most likely going to fit in 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.600 at safety at some point. Or he could beef him 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:49.280 up and even have him be a you know, be 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.800 a small linebacker. I mean, he's that he's that good 0:02:52.280 --> 0:02:55.400 with with taking on blocks, getting around blocks, hitting people, 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:59.640 reading the run, those kinds of things. Very exciting. 0:02:59.720 --> 0:03:00.640 But he he should be. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.280 He's gonna. I expect him to be an absolute special 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:06.000 teams demon. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.839 So yeah, I mean, you got to have those guys. Yeah, 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:10.200 for sure, you gotta have those guys. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:12.280 Oh way, yeah, man, that was the thing. He just 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:14.160 did the film room. I did all the film room stuff, 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:15.760 and you have all the plays together and it's just 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.360 hit after hit after hit after hits. So it's it's 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:20.440 fun to watch. It's fun to watch Ward play. 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:22.160 Daniels is smiling from the third floor. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.560 Yeah, that's the thing, Like, you know, Pete was saying, like, 0:03:25.600 --> 0:03:27.560 looking at the film with that guy, I mean, he 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.280 doesn't have a problem sticking his nose in there. He 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.160 likes to hit people, and so it will be nice 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:34.240 to have somebody like that, especially if you're talking you know, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.840 like even on the evaluations, they're saying special teams. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:37.000 For that guy. 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:39.480 That's the kind of person you want, is somebody willing 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:42.200 to boogie down the field and just you know, throw. 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:43.480 It, throw their weight around, and I don't care about 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:45.200 his forty time. He's gonna run as hard as he 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:47.560 can all the time. And that's I guess that's the 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.120 part of it that that gets lost sometimes is well, 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.160 this guy's are fourth, you know, four to four, this 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.000 guy's a four to five. It's like, well, the four 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.280 to four guy runs at eighty percent, and so the 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:00.360 four or five guys gonna outrun him on film all 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.400 day long because he you know, he just said so 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.400 the only that's the only question mark, and it's that's 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:07.400 how the draft is. Right. You have a guy like 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:12.240 Ward who you love everything you see about him on film, right, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.839 and you just wished him to be a little bit 0:04:14.920 --> 0:04:19.359 more you know, nimble and quicker and those kinds of things. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.880 But he'll hit you, he'll run, he's smart, he gets 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:27.520 on his teammates, he's intense, the whole thing. But you know, 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.080 he unfortunately had to wait a while to get picked. 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:30.720 He did. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:34.080 I mean, Brian Flores was definitely in the ear of 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.560 Quacy and the front office staff trying to figure out 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.120 what prospects would fit well with what he wants to do. 0:04:39.440 --> 0:04:43.159 I think when you look at the two defensive backs, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.040 I mean the corner and they're calling Jay Ward a 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.800 defensive back, one thing that sticks out to me is 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:51.520 that they can play anywhere, and then he's probably going 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:53.359 to move them around and figure out where he's going 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:55.440 to best be able to plug them in, depending on 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.359 their skill set, depending on what they already have on 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:57.799 the roster. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:02.679 I do think that and the selection of Jaquelin Roy 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.800 really I think tips a cap to what we're going 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:09.719 to do defensively. Okay, I really do, because he's not 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:13.840 when you watch him on film. Where he does where 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.479 he excels and when he plays well is when he's 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:19.600 a zero right over the center. He does that technique 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:24.600 and plays that position very very well. Big guy, strong. 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:27.520 You know, he has to work on the footwork, and 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.120 pad level and all those kinds of things. But he hustles, 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:32.840 you know, for a big guy, he really runs the football. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.960 But if we if you take a look at what 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:40.280 Miami did, because you know, because you look at if 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:45.200 you look at Flores, he was never a defensive coordinator, right, 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:49.120 He was a signal caller with the Patriots, and then 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.960 goes the head coach brings in another guy from the 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.240 Patriots to be his defensive coordinator. I forget his name 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:57.480 off the top of my head, so you assume that's 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.839 his defense and but you don't know because he's he's 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:05.520 never really he's never been the guy. But with you 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:09.160 know Jacquelin Roy in what he does, well, you know, 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.120 if they put if they bring him in and let 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.080 him play like the bear front. When I say bear, 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.880 I don't mean three four like we were playing. It's 0:06:16.920 --> 0:06:20.000 a five man front. But you have both guards in 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:23.840 the center covered and you just let Roy sit over 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.560 that center and beat that guy up. You know, he 0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:29.919 plays counters real well. You know when he gets in 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.200 that square stance and he's kind of reading and then 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:34.279 playing the run, he does he does a really really 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.840 nice job. So if that's the position that they need 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.560 to fill or they need somebody four that zero knows 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.200 this kid's this kid's gonna contribute and be a good 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:49.960 player if you want him to be, you know, a 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.680 wide nose tackle playing in a four to three, then 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:54.599 I you know, I think he'll be okay. But I 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:56.360 really do think he's got a chance if we play 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:57.400 a lot of zero nos. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:58.880 Well, he was the player. That's the fight. 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:01.200 He's treated up to get the only one they traded 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.359 up to get everyone else they were trading back and 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:04.839 trying to make value out of those picks. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:06.640 Yeah, that was after they had made that move to 0:07:06.800 --> 0:07:08.599 move to the back end of the forth and then 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.800 all of a sudden they slid back up. I think 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:12.600 it was another what fifteen slots they want to pick 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:14.800 one forty one in order to get him. That just 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:16.720 kind of shows you, you know, one of the things 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.960 that have been talked about pre draft was the need 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.040 to try to get, you know, bolster that defensive line 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.640 at some point, and even just looking at some of 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.760 the highlights of that guy, you know, there's one thing 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:29.760 that's very evident. He's very strong up top and likes 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.000 to shed blocks and just feels like there were certain 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:33.480 things that he was doing kind of throwing his weight 0:07:33.480 --> 0:07:36.360 around again as well. Again you're seeing only just the 0:07:36.360 --> 0:07:39.360 big highlights. There's a deeper film dive that you know, 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:40.440 guys like Pete were doing. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.400 Had a really good game against Tennessee. Yeah, I know that. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.960 And again it's like it's almost situational with him and 0:07:48.000 --> 0:07:50.320 how you know, how you see him play and when 0:07:50.360 --> 0:07:53.080 he's in a B gap and then they run a 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:55.920 zone outside and you know then he might get the 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.160 muddle at the guard cross his face, but he'll work 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.160 to you know, get back and in the NFL, good 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.240 luck with that. But I'm telling you, when you have 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.400 him in the interior and you're and you're trying to 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:08.000 run a cutback type zone and those kinds of things, 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.160 he's phenomenal. And that's really good. He has a really strong, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.880 real strong arm, you know, strong hands can control people 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.040 and push and when he's fresh and he's moving his 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.560 feet and that's I think the big thing. He's shown 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.360 a great swim move. Even the pressures he's gotten on 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:25.920 the quarterback have been you know, have been just a 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:28.960 swim move off you know, off the h snap you know, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.000 kind of like a like a Kenny Clark not quite 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.840 as not quite as mobile as Kenny Clark, but just 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.040 a nice move and and so the kid has some 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.760 tools just a matter of he's a scheme fit guy, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:41.640 which is what you would you would see in the 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.280 fifth round. That's why I'm assuming or fourth round. I 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.319 can't remember what I fifth round. That's why I'm assuming 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.760 that we're gonna be seeing some zero no's this year. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:51.480 And that for me was one of the things going 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:53.840 into this draft I was concerned about with losing Tomlinson. 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:55.560 I've been talking about for the last how many weeks, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:58.079 just saying you need to try to address it that way. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:08:59.720 And I think it's kind of a nice nice to 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:01.520 see the skill set that they brought in with this guy. 0:09:01.559 --> 0:09:03.480 And it's too bad we lost Tomlinson because he was 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.760 with the Giants. He was a That's what he did 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.199 a lot of He was best at when they would 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.480 reduce things down and he would play as a zero 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.320 right over the center. That's where he had most of 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.640 his productivity. I think he adjusted to the three to 0:09:15.679 --> 0:09:19.960 four pretty well. But now you know, now he's gone, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.800 but he was a he was a very valuable value. 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:25.160 I think he was a very valuable piece to that 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:26.720 defensive line. He was a big loss. 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.200 Yeah, that's going to be an interesting position battle to 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:32.920 watch while we start hitting OTA's and mini camp and 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.880 trading camp to watch that unfold for sure. Uh, that's 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:39.520 the defensive side of things that obviously we said earlier 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.720 in the podcast that we ended things with a couple 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.280 of offensive picks. I know there was a lot of 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.960 murmurs from all around, a lot of rumors, what are 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.480 we going to do with the quarterback position? When are 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.400 we going to pick one? Are we going to pick one? 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.000 It happened in the fifth round BYU quarterback Jaren Hall. 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.000 This is someone who they met with at the combine 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:03.400 and it was his first interview of the combine was 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.680 with the Vikings, and if you listen to his press conference, 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.520 he had nothing but fantastic things to say about the organization. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:10.520 They stayed in touch. 0:10:11.880 --> 0:10:16.079 They were impressed with his maturity and obviously he knows 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:17.920 that he's kind of a bit of a work in 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:20.960 progress because he only really had those two seasons where 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:24.959 he was a starter. And he's has a baseball background 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.599 as well, So he's a young guy who, you know, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.080 I'm not sure if he has enough bad. 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.000 Habits that they need to fix, but they definitely need 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:34.440 to like mold him into what they want. 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:38.559 And who better to do it than Kevin O'Connell, all right, exactly. 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.240 And that's we've said it before, I believe, and we 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.360 talked about do you bring him in here as a 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.520 head coach to get that position right? And last year 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.520 when when O'Connell first showed up, he said, the most 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.679 important attribute for a quarterback for him is accuracy. So 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.440 this kid completed I think over sixty five percent of 0:10:56.440 --> 0:10:59.480 his passes in college. I mean it was last year 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.200 he was the number was was up there. It was good, 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:06.280 So that would check that box. I'm looking forward to 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:09.040 watching him on film and seeing, you know, what he 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:13.160 did and and and what his strengths and stuff are 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.160 because it's but it's a lot of learning. It's a 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:17.400 step lee. I don't care if he started, you know, 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.959 four years at a at a SEC school. There's still 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:24.679 a ton ton to learn at this next level. And 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:27.040 he doesn't have to worry about getting on the field 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.000 next year, you know, minus injury or whatever. But he's 0:11:30.040 --> 0:11:30.960 got some time to learn. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.560 And during yeah, during his media availability too, he kind 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.440 of addressed that a little bit too, saying that, you know, 0:11:35.760 --> 0:11:38.080 they said you're more of a running guy at times, 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:39.839 and he's he said, yeah, you know, that's just something 0:11:39.880 --> 0:11:42.120 that he's comfortable with. At the same point, he knows 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:43.720 in the NFL he's going to have to kind of 0:11:43.920 --> 0:11:45.840 address that as much as he can to be a 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:47.400 real pocket passer. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.920 With the NFL. When it comes to the NFL, it's 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.559 why do you run? That's I think the key thing. 0:11:53.160 --> 0:11:57.360 And with the best quarterbacks in the league, they scramble 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.040 to throw the ball. They scrambled, extend the play, throw 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.000 the ball deep, throw it to the tight end underneath. 0:12:03.080 --> 0:12:06.560 You know, that's what they do. It's not it's not 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:10.080 just like just pull the thing down like Jalen Hurts. 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:13.600 Jalen Hurts did a really nice job as the season 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:15.760 went on to go from a you know, they were 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:18.840 running straight up type options and things where he was 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:24.319 a primary run player and he started getting hit. You 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.040 you know, you end up you're gonna get hurt. Yes, 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:29.960 the quarterbacks just can't take all those hits. So if 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.800 you're going to be mobile, you've got to be able 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.840 to burn a team deep. You got to beat him deep. 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:36.840 You got to hurt him if you let them. And 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.040 then what happens is the D line starts to You 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.760 don't rush Aaron Rodgers, at least back in the day. 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:43.840 But you don't rush Aaron Rodgers the same way you 0:12:43.880 --> 0:12:46.640 do Kirk Cousins. When you rush Aaron Rodgers, guys are 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.920 more balanced, they're even. It makes your offensive line better, right, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.520 And we're saying, oh, you know, the Packers' offensive line 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.680 is so great. It's like, yeah, well, when you go 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.760 into that game, the D linemen aren't just drawing stunts 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.560 up all day long like what our guys see. Because 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:03.920 they know Kirk will be in the pocket. They don't 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:05.560 have to worry about containing I don't have to worry 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:10.439 about him drifting out as much. And so that athleticism 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.400 can be a boon if you use it the right way. 0:13:12.440 --> 0:13:14.600 And that's what ESPN, you know, the pre draft breakdown 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:16.920 says about him. It just says he flashes good anticipation 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.120 and ability to deliver the ball before the receiver breaks. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:21.840 Also extends plays, making off platform throws, and is a 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:23.760 threat to scramble for first downs, but nothing else is 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.280 available downfield. So that's exactly kind of the kind of 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:26.959 stuff you're looking for. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:28.120 That's exactly right. 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:30.199 That's what he was really excited to be able to 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.880 work with Kirk and even mentioned Nick Mullins by name 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.720 as two guys that he just wants to learn from 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:36.920 and get in there and get better. 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:39.200 And just the sheer attitude and the way that he spoke. 0:13:40.040 --> 0:13:40.480 It's funny. 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:42.720 You know, I feel like quarterbacks have a certain swagger 0:13:42.760 --> 0:13:45.640 about them, and he definitely you know, if I heard 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.520 him speak, I probably be like, Yeah, that dude's definitely 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:48.199 a quarterback. 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.760 That swagger that you refer to is what gets contagious 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:55.079 in the huddle and when when games get tight and things, 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.679 you know, big big spots and games, that's when that 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:01.319 has to kind of take over and call everybody down around. 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:04.320 And you heard the the Joe Montana bit where he's 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:06.920 in the super Bowl, when he mentioned about John Candy 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.320 being in the in the stands stuff like that, I mean, 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.080 where does that come from? Yeah, it's just one of 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.800 those things that you have or you don't. It's just 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.319 the least amount of panic. I mean, you want a 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.520 guy who's calm and collected and they're you know, throwing 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.840 that ball when it comes down to it the most, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.480 and I think it was helpful last year when you 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.480 had those have to have it moments. You know, you 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:27.360 saw him being able to step up last year and 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:28.280 then really execute. 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:32.040 So for me, it's it's nice to have those kind 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.880 of guys. Yes, you want some swagger, you want the 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.040 guys to believe, but it's one of those things like 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.560 you just start throwing touchdowns, hitting first downs and getting them, 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.200 getting them the ball and getting them stats. They're gonna 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:43.880 love them all day long, doesn't matter how he gets 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:44.200 it there. 0:14:44.240 --> 0:14:47.600 So I feel more comfortable with the backup that O'Connell 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.760 picks and chooses. Then, you know, the more comfortable with 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:53.800 this kid than I have with anybody we brought in 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:55.640 for or drafted for quite some time. 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.560 Sure you have to, I mean you have to think 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.240 that way because of just exactly who Kevin O'Connell is 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:03.960 and the ability to watch him take someone from the 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.600 very beginning the draft, when he first gets his hands 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.360 in and see how he can develop. See the button 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:11.040 in the oven, right Like, it's nice to have that 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.400 cooking there for a while. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:13.520 And see what can come of it. 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.680 It kind of reminds me not of the packers, but 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.080 they've been doing that for so long, right, like they've 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:22.200 mean granted it really worked out for long. 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.680 States, but they got it write twice in a row. Yeah, 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:26.680 I mean, think about that. They've had the best, arguably 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:28.800 the best quarterback in the league since what ninety. 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:30.440 Three, thirty years, yes, thirty years. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.840 So that's we'll see how Jordan Now, if Jordan Love 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.040 comes out and just lights it up and. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:38.920 Then you're like, okay, they're on, well yeah, then. 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:42.120 You're going, okay, Well, that's that's what took. That was 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.360 a forty year lesson. Yeah, exactly. 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:46.320 And that was the thing, you know, that's the thing 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.400 prior prior to fire of getting traded from Atlanta, you know, 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.720 they were struggling with Makowski and some of these other guys. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:54.000 But at the same point, they got it right twice 0:15:54.040 --> 0:15:57.040 in a row. And going into the season, that'll be 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.240 the big giant question mark is can they you know, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:15:59.600 hit the. 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.960 Three p And you know, nothing against Kellen Mond, but 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:03.720 it clearly wasn't going to be a fit for what 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.280 Kevin wanted to teach and develop, and that's why you 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.360 know they went the other way. They found Nick Mullens, 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.840 they brought him in and they are now getting to 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:14.480 put their stamp on their own guy who they're taking 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:16.520 in the draft the end of the day. 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:18.000 Picking up a running back. 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:22.480 It's Dwayne McBride out of UAB who, accordingly in zerline, 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:24.320 was a projected fourth round pick, so. 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:26.080 He dropped a little bit down. 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:27.960 But it was going to be like, it's a pretty 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:30.200 it was a pretty talented running back group for the 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:31.760 most part in this draft. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.280 This guy led the FBS in yards per carry. 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:36.960 And then I had a friend of mine send me 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:40.120 this stat from PFF that he led the FBS with 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.400 twenty three rushes of twenty plus yards or more. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:47.200 In twenty twenty two. So he sounds quite an explosive guy. 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:52.560 Yeah, and I think big question for him is how 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.200 well does he run routes and how does he you know, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:55.800 how well does he catch? I think this is an 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.200 offense where our running backs need to have that type 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:02.560 of that type versatility. You know, Dalvin Cook is obviously 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:09.240 the eighty percent guy. Seventy percent guy Madison is back, 0:17:09.720 --> 0:17:12.440 so you have you know, you have, Yeah, you need 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.920 to fill it to make this team. As a running back, 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.480 you have to fill in a niche, right, you have 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:20.919 to fill in a specific uh style, and I think 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.760 we just don't. That's the only thing that we're really missing. 0:17:24.800 --> 0:17:27.480 I think of the past running back. Yeah, just just 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:31.719 the almost slash wide receiver guy that can that can 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.360 run like Antler. Yeah. 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:36.760 Ah, it's funny you say that though, because on his 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:40.359 draft profile it does mention he barely made any pass 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:44.639 catching place in his three seasons. They were it just 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.480 wasn't there in his game, and so it was probably 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:48.720 more of the scheme more than his abilities. And even 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:50.600 Quacey brought it up with me in mar one on 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.520 one just a minute ago that he said, you know, 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.119 I think that he's a better pass catching back than 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:58.680 people are giving him credit for because it wasn't in 0:17:58.960 --> 0:17:59.720 what he was doing. 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:01.720 They probably are going to test it. 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:03.640