1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host 2 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: A Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology, 3 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: and today on the show, we're talking about twists and turns, 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: dizzy apes, purewetting spiders, and twisty birds. While these animals 5 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: all have a different spin on spinning, they all share 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: a love for the twirl. Discover this more as we 7 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: answer the agel question, how do you get your lover 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: back with the help of a bird? Joining me today 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: is teacup Ride enthusiast, friend of the show, producer host 10 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: of the podcast Rough Stuff and Shooting Threes, Bridget Greenberg. Welcome, Hi, 11 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: thanks for having bird. Yeah, I did just say that 12 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: you like the tea cup Ride, but I don't actually 13 00:00:55,280 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: know that. How do you feel about spinning? I'm I 14 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: got a solid stomach for ase. I like spinning. I'm 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: not a rollercoaster persona but if but if we're going 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: around in the circle real fast, I'm actually a big 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: fan of that. Really, I think that's fun. Yeah, I'm 18 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: shocked that I have the tolerance for that, but I do. 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: That's great. I don't not a spinning person. No, I 20 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: mean I like. So I'm very conflicted because I like 21 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: the feeling of being dizzy, but I don't like the 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: feeling of being nauseous, and usually those two charmed together. 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: So yeah, I could just be dizzy but not nauseous, 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: that would be great, But they come hand in hand 25 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: for me typically. You know, I'm curious because I haven't, like, 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: I haven't been to a Disney World or Universal in 27 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: a while. So last time I was on the tea cups, 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: I was I was probably in my early twenties, and 29 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: now that I've crossed the threshold into my thirties, I 30 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: don't I actually don't know right. Uh, you know a 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: lot of things that I used to enjoy have turned on, 32 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: and I can feel like that's one of them. I 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: recently we tried to roll down a hill and that 34 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 1: was like one of my favorites as a kid, was 35 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: rolling down a hill, and it took me a good 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes to recover, and like it wasn't I 37 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: didn't just like bounce back up and go back to it. Yeah, 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: on my knees for a while. Because when you're when 39 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: before you turn thirty, exactly through your body is made 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: out of rubber that he's like sort of self healing rubber. 41 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: And then the minute you turn thirty, suddenly you kind 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: of have the texture of like a plum or banana. 43 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: Things don't really yeah yeah, yeah, just soft and squashy 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: and bruised, like your shoulder just kind of slides off 45 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: of your body. I don't really know what happened, but 46 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: and it's not going back, no, no, and then it 47 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 1: just gets worse and worse, which you know, Hey, it's life, 48 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: isn't it nice. That's what's happened. That's that's what our 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: bodies were signed to do. Yes, but we are talking 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: about animals who like to spin around, and the first 51 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: animal or animals that we are talking about are primates. 52 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: There's research out of the University of Birmingham and the 53 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: University of Warwick. They looked through many, many videos of 54 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: primates spinning, including chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans, and they found 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: that first of all, they often use something like a 56 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: vine or a rope to just really spin around as 57 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: fast as possible, and they are capable of spinning at 58 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: speed similar to human dancers or aerial silk artists. So 59 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: just a beautiful orangutans spinning in the air like a 60 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: sky dancer. Wow, this is this is that's adorable. Then 61 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: they're just doing this for funzis as far as we know, 62 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: that is the theory. That is the theory, because there's 63 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: not really any utility that the researchers could find with this. Also, 64 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: the spinning behavior made them dizzy and fall down off 65 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: of the rope or vines and and just like be 66 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: generally unstable, So it doesn't seem like there's any benefit 67 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: to it other than it makes them real dizzy and 68 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: they like that. I love thee of animals just having 69 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: fun being weirdos, just because you know, it's it's it's 70 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: tough out there of course in the woods. You just 71 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: think like everything they do is uh, you know, to survive, 72 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: and it's really nice to see them just having a 73 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: good time. I love those videos of like pandas just 74 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: like splashing around in baths. Yeah, just for fun and 75 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: being and being dumb idiots. Uh, speaking of turning, they 76 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: love they just like they're so roly poly. They will 77 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: fall out of a tree and then just start rolling down. 78 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: They just summer solid. Yeah, yeah, just and seem to 79 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: be having the time. Of their lives. And I like 80 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: this little he puts his feet up. He really gives 81 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: you a show. I love that we have these examples 82 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: of animals just doing recreational stuff because I think it's 83 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: really important in how we understand animals that they are 84 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: not like not everything is just done for brute efficiency 85 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: for you know, these evolutionary pressures or like. It doesn't 86 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't always have to have some like utility or 87 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: purpose or like this will help you breed better or something. 88 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: It can sometimes just be fun. And it's it's the 89 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: same reason that humans like to have fun. Like we 90 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 1: have brains, we have a conscious experience, and then a 91 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,280 Speaker 1: side effect of that is the desire to trigger the 92 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 1: parts of the brain that gives us little like happy feelings. Ah, 93 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: you know they deserve. They deserve to spit around as 94 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: fast as they want. I really like the idea of 95 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,679 Speaker 1: them aerial silk dancers. Yes, that's very fun. Just a troop. 96 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: Let's get some silks out in the forest, have them 97 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: just make a routine cirk the slay, except that it's 98 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: like all gorillas. I would watch that, but only if 99 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: the gorillas started it and collectively own it. And there's 100 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: no humans involved, Like if it's just their thing, it's 101 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: just for them, it's it's there, it's their ballet, right exactly. 102 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: So one of the leaders of the study, doctor Marcus Pearlman, said, quote, 103 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: we experimented ourselves with spinning at these speeds, the speeds 104 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: the primates were going, and found it difficult to sustain 105 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: for as long as the great apes did in several cases. 106 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: So these apes totally beats, totally beat these nerds at 107 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: their ability to spin around. I would say if you 108 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: if I was a betting woman and you asked me 109 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: who could withstand more speed a group of scientists or apes, 110 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: I would put my I would put my money on 111 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: the apes. Yeah. I also I pretty much always put 112 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: money on apes whenever it's like physical comes down to it, right, 113 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: who could win an arm wrestling ape? Who could win 114 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: at eat banana? Ape? When at eatanas? Crushing crushing skulls? Apes? 115 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: Probably apes? Yeah? Apes? Every time? Uh yeah, no, they're 116 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 1: they're good to put money on it. I see here 117 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: they were doing it purposefully as if dancing and how beautiful. Yes. Yes, 118 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 1: So it's interesting because this spinning practice in an apes. 119 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: Of course, none of the currently living apes have we 120 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: descended from? These are all like cousins, either close cousins 121 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: or distant cousins, like chimpanzees were probably no closer cousins too, 122 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: whereas gorillas and Orai tans were a little further away 123 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: from But nevertheless, we are related to them, but we 124 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: did not descend from them. However, because we see this 125 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: behavior in present day apes, it's like the question is, hey, 126 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: maybe this was something that human ancestors also did. And 127 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: what's really interesting is that spinning is used in almost 128 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: every culture's dance practices as well as in religious, spiritual, 129 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: or meditative practices. Huh have you ever seen Sufi whirling 130 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: or I think sometimes called whirling dervishes? Oh yeah, yeah. 131 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: So it is a form of meditation practiced by certain 132 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 1: sects of Islam, such as the Sufi Dervishes and Mevlevi 133 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: order in Turkey. It is a religious ritual and similar 134 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 1: to other forms of meditation, it is meant to help 135 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:06,559 Speaker 1: detach oneself from one's own ego. There's also religious music 136 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: that is meant to help the practitioners connect with God. 137 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: It's beautiful right to watch they wear these long outfits 138 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: and you know they're spinning around. It's but it's like 139 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: it is meant to be a form of meditation for 140 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: the practitioners. It's not just a performance for other people 141 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: to watch. It's like you're spinning around so much that 142 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: at a certain point you kind of start to feel 143 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: like this separation from your body and your ego. And 144 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 1: so it's so similar to so many forms of meditation 145 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: that is trying to achieve that same thing, regardless of 146 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: what religion it is. It's the same thing of like 147 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: you are sort of taking yourself out of your mind 148 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:52,400 Speaker 1: and like having this detachment from your ego. Yeah, that 149 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: makes total sense to me. I mean that feeling of 150 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: being dizzy and then like throwing yourself on the floor 151 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: afterwards and kind of having like the world spin around. Yeah, 152 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 1: it is very like uh, I mean you you literally 153 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: feel a little out of your body. So it's it 154 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: definitely takes you out, like it is a very visceral 155 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: feel like it takes you out of like you're thinking 156 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: head in your travel, like just get the world back. Yeah. Yeah, 157 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: it's interesting because I I was looking for other examples 158 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: of people using spinning for meditation and I couldn't really 159 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: find any. But what I did find is people who 160 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 1: meditate and actually feel that out of body feeling report 161 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:40,079 Speaker 1: feeling dizzy, So like dizziness can be something that you 162 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: can achieve through forms of meditation, or you can meditate 163 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: by making yourself kind of dizzy. And I just find 164 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: that really interesting that that kind of feeling of being 165 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: dizzy or off balance can be not an unpleasant thing 166 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,120 Speaker 1: or even not like an exhilarating thing, but a form 167 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: of meditation. Yeah, I mean it is truly like out 168 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: of body. Yeah, I think of even like those float 169 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: tanks where you're kind of ye to not feel your 170 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: body and then coming to after that, it's like the 171 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: amount of information you're then taking in, Yeah, the censories 172 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: and like you feel and it's dark. I'm scared of 173 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: doing that because I'm pretty sure I'm going to be 174 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: visited by a demon, Like immediately, I'm gonna starting demons. 175 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: I am so scared. My boyfriend's a huge fan of them. 176 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 1: He's like a big meditator and a big fan and 177 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: has been trying to get me to do that. But 178 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: I can't even be in a steam room, like, yeah, 179 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: if I can't see in front of me, like I 180 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,079 Speaker 1: need a hand on the door, like I need a 181 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: known escape plan. Yeah, uh yeah, I feel like I'd 182 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: just be like clutching the door the whole time. I also, like, 183 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: I have a very vivid imagination, and I do occasionally 184 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: get sleep paralysis, so it just seems like that is 185 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 1: a recipe for me to get totally haunted a tube 186 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 1: of nightmares. But yeah, I mean recreational spinning is found 187 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: everywhere in human culture, from being more like significant in 188 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: terms of like dancing or for religious ceremonies. Um, I 189 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: mean there's the horror, which you know, like and then 190 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: basically every culture. So the horror is like a Jewish 191 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,719 Speaker 1: dance where you all hold hands and you you all 192 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 1: kind of like go around in a big circle. But 193 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: like there's also some like chairlifting element to it as well. 194 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: We don't know what that is, but it's fun. It's fun. 195 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: It's fun. But like there's I feel like there's a 196 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: version of that in almost every culture as well, like 197 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: being in a big circle and then spinning around, you know. 198 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: But also there's things like you mentioned playground spinners, like 199 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: the little not not like a mirror go around with 200 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: the horses, but the thing that you like, oh yeah, 201 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: that big disc. Yeah, the disc that spins around and 202 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,319 Speaker 1: then children fly off and crack their heads open. But 203 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: it's really fun. It's very fun. That was my favorite. Uh, 204 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: that was one of my favorites on the playground. Yeah, 205 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: that one I was. It was fun to a point 206 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: for me, and then I would start to get scared. Um. 207 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: But but there are just so many amusement park rides 208 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: for adults as well that will spin you around. Um, Like, 209 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 1: there are now apparently roller coasters that also spin, so 210 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: like you're in a car and the car is like 211 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: spinning around as you're on the roller coaster, which seems 212 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: like a lot. I feel like I would just be 213 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: a barf sprinkler if I went on one of those. 214 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: But apparently that's a lot, especially yeah, especially after a 215 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: corn dog or two that. Yeah, it seems the churros 216 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: what get me. The churros in the spinning. But spinning 217 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: is fun, and I'm glad apes are enjoying it. Yeah, 218 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:02,559 Speaker 1: because it's a very cute video. I am also glad 219 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: that the apes are having a good time. Yeah. Uh, 220 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: they deserve it if they fall hard out there in 221 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: the jungle, and uh like watching them spin it did. 222 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: I am concerned about that vine breaking. But I'm glad 223 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: that one held up. Yeah, I'm sure it'll they're tough, 224 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: They're they'll they'll bounce back, yeah they yeah. And if not, 225 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: you know, what a way to go out? What a 226 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: way to go out. I had a vine outside on 227 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: a tree outside of the house I grew up on 228 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 1: and I would swing off of it and it did 229 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: snap one day, U and h and that's all I 230 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: could think about. But then I saw him having a 231 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: good time, and you know, keep spinning. Yeah, just keep spinning. 232 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: That's It's such a good thing to live by. Unless 233 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: you get motion sickness like I do. Yeah, then you know, 234 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: spin a modest amount until you feel like yeah, and 235 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: then sit down and then stop. Yeah doesn't that one 236 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: doesn't fit on a T shirt as well though? Yeah? No, uh, 237 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: but you know your own limits. Spind your limits. Mind 238 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: you spin around, but mind your limits. There we go. Yeah, yeah, 239 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: all right, so we're gonna take a quick break. But 240 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: when we get back, we're going to talk about another 241 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: spinner who spins for a very different reason. So bridget 242 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: spinning isn't always fun in games. One of the fastest 243 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: spinning animals is actually a spider. Now, this might be 244 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: confusing because spiders also spin webs, but that's not what 245 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm talking about. This is not about web spinning. This 246 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: is about actually just spinning around. Okay, So this is 247 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: called the flatty spider, which was also my nickname in 248 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: high school, uh spider. Flatty spiders also known as wall 249 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: crab spiders, which somehow that name's less endearing. I don't 250 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: know wall crabs. Crabs, yeah, and I don't mind crabs. 251 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: It's once you apply a modifier to the noun crab 252 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: that it starts to worry me. Yeah, crab is one 253 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: of those words you have to get in and get out. 254 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: You cannot right, right, it can't be a build up, 255 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: right And flatty flatty is such a cute name. Yeah, yeah, flatty. 256 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: So yeah. It is a family of over two hundred 257 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: and eighty species of flat splayed out spider. They range 258 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: in size from about five millimeters to twenty five millimeters 259 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 1: or about point two to one inches, so not huge, 260 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: but you know, if it was on your face you'd 261 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: be sad. I think maybe, yeah, no, that's yeah, big enough. 262 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: You notice them. Some of them I think are in 263 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: the small enough range where I'm like, hey, you're just 264 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: a little buddy, And then they get big enough where 265 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you should be paying rent if 266 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 1: you want to stay in my hartment. Yeah, yeah, you know, 267 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 1: big enough to cause me a harm. Yeah. I don't 268 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: know that that's literally true, but maybe psychology, yes, it 269 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: feels that way. So their legs are positioned all around 270 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: in three hundred and sixty degrees, giving them tactical leg 271 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: advantage and a sort of appearance that is a little 272 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 1: bit uh, starfish like and also maybe slightly upsetting. I 273 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 1: don't know. I think it's so when I look at 274 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:37,120 Speaker 1: them from an aerial view, I am not super psyched 275 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: about the look. But then when I look at them 276 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: front on, they are really cute to me, Like you 277 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: just kind of look at their little face, like sure 278 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 1: when you can see and yeah, when you can see 279 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: the face, Um, I'm not bothered by it. Yeah, I 280 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: think I you know, I kind of realize it's uh, 281 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 1: I guess personhood is not the right, but like I 282 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: understand what spider hood I can see intit sol it 283 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: a little bit and then uh yeah the top view 284 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: and saying how long those legs aren't especially saying it move. 285 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: Um not great, Yeah, it does get does does kind 286 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: of give me the yick a little bit. That's that's 287 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: a very athletic way to move. Yeah, and it's like 288 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 1: a ballerina but with eight legs, with eight legs, very long, spindling. Yeah, 289 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: it becomes I'm not a person who like I don't. 290 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 1: I don't not surprisingly not an arachnophobe, but like, yeah, 291 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: I remember why people don't like spiders. Yeah, watching this 292 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 1: guy move, although, I mean I'm thinking of a ballerina 293 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 1: with eight legs and that is maybe a little scary, 294 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: but also imagine the baller moves they could do. Oh yeah, beautiful. 295 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, this this is a very athletic spider. Yeah, 296 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 1: it moves beautifully. That being said, do I need a 297 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: spider to move beautifully? Yeah, it's confusing, it's sending mixed messages. 298 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, they spin extremely quickly in order to pure 299 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,679 Speaker 1: wet their way towards prey and kill them. They can 300 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: actually strike their prey in an eighth of a second 301 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: and spend three times, like three rotations within the blink 302 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 1: of an eye, which makes them the fastest spinning terrestrial 303 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: animal that is. Yeah, and it's like a pivot. Uh yeah, 304 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: it's it moves so pivot. Yeah yeah, and like it's 305 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: like a bay blade. Yeah, its whole body looks like 306 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: a weapon. Yeah yeah, I can't stop watching it because 307 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: it's like very admirative. Yeah yeah, um, but it's also terrifying. Yeah. 308 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, like, can you imagine just a bloodthirsty eight 309 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: legged ballerina that is so swift, so graceful you really 310 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: don't stand a chance and got like a two two 311 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: but the two two its legs. It's yeah, it's it's 312 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: quite something. So like they will seem to be minding 313 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: their own business with their backs turned towards their prey, 314 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: and then in a blink of an eye, they just 315 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: like spin around. You can barely see it, like when 316 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: it's the speed is normal speed, it's just it kind 317 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: of looks like they suddenly teleported to be like facing 318 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 1: their prey. And they will use the one leg closest 319 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 1: to the prey as an anchor point, which they pure 320 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: wet on gracefully. And they actually use a technique that 321 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: figure skaters and ballet dancers will use to spin faster 322 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: by tucking their legs in. So yeah, yeah, if you've 323 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: seen like a like a figure skater doing those mad 324 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: sick spins, or like even a ballet dancer, like when 325 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: they turn, they will like their leg might be out, 326 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: but then they'll like tuck it in to do their turn, 327 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: and yeah, they do the same thing. Yeah, that's a 328 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 1: they're gaining speed, they're doing less quickly. It's a very like, Yeah, 329 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 1: it's such a methodical movement. It doesn't seem like it 330 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: should work so well to catch prey. It seems like 331 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 1: it should slow them down. But they're very good at it. 332 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 1: It's a it's an incredible feat. Yeah, the idea of 333 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 1: a spider being so tactical does scare me. I think 334 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: also just like the idea of it feels like the 335 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: feels like it's safe right because it's back is turned 336 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: to you, and it's like, while you have some time 337 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: right to get away by the time it turns around 338 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: and spots you, But no you don't, because it's suddenly, 339 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: like suddenly, before you can even blank, it is facing you, 340 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: which I find like if I was facing down some 341 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: kind of human sized spider or predator and they go 342 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: from facing away and I'm like, maybe I could speak 343 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: sneak around this guy and then suddenly you blink and 344 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: then they are staring at you and their mouth is open, 345 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: and then that's good night for you. That's what it 346 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: wants you to do. That's exactly what it wants you 347 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: to think. Yeah, if I could move faster spinning, Um, yeah, 348 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: I feel like that would just be like a cool 349 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: way to move about the world, Like watch that would 350 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: be That's like it could be kind of cool, but 351 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: also kind of horrifying. Just seeing someone doing ballet spins 352 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: over to get somewhere to hustle. I think I would 353 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: be scared. And that's what it's all that. It's all 354 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: about intimidation walking down the street. Ballet is really about intimidation. 355 00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: That's what I've always said. Yeah, they don't tell you that, 356 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 1: but have you have you seen a ballerina's thigh muscles 357 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 1: Like that could intimidating. Yeah, that as thick as like 358 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: a trunk. Yeah, and uh yeah they are fat. God. Yeah, 359 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: I keep watching this video over and over again. It's 360 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: kind of it's it's hypnotized. Yeah, to pivot like that 361 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: on eight legs is like it's a very impressive movement. Yeah. 362 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: I'll include a link to the video in the show notes. 363 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: But I do warn you. It appears that Bridget has 364 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 1: become completely mesmerized. So I think this might be some 365 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: kind of form of spider hypnotism, because maybe, yeah, they 366 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: they have me. They have spiders have me. I belong 367 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: to this, Bridget belongs to the spiders. Now I'm one 368 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: of the spiders. Now I'm gonna be working on this move. 369 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: I think I don't know what I'm gonna use it 370 00:23:51,400 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: for yet, but I'm gonna work on it. So we 371 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: have talked about animals who spin for fun or maybe meditation. 372 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: We don't really know what's going on in those apes minds, 373 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: like maybe they're spinning to feel a sense of metacognition. 374 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: We don't know, but they seem to have a blast. 375 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: We've talked about spiders who spin around like a ballerina 376 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: so they can devour unsuspecting prey. And now we are 377 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: going to talk about twisting and turning as a form 378 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: of defense. So the Eurasian ry neck, which is a 379 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 1: great name, is not the fastest twister and the animal Kingdom, 380 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: but it uses a methodical twisting and turning in one 381 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: of the most ingenious ways I've ever seen. So, Bridget, 382 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,640 Speaker 1: are you checking out that video. It looks like I'm 383 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: looking at I'm looking at this video. This is a 384 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: funny little dude. Yeah, he's got a real bendy neck. Yeah, 385 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: and I can I can see how this works. It 386 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: kind of like I'm thinking of if whenever you thumb 387 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: wrestle someone and you kind of get stuff that kind 388 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: of like that's exactly diving and dodging. Yeah, it's like 389 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: a it's like a thumb trying to avoid another thumb. 390 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: My secret to successful thumb wrestling lotion. Oh you got 391 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: a grease up. I'm a slippery little devil. So this 392 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 1: is a relatively normal looking bird. It's a small bird, 393 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: about the size of like a medium sized hand. Uh. 394 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: It's brown, white and black in striations that kind of 395 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 1: helps it blend in with wood like bark. They are 396 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: actually in the woodpecker family, and they feed on insects 397 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: that live in rotting wood. And when they feel threatened, 398 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 1: they will do this cool trick with their necks and 399 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: their heads and they will like so they throw their 400 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: head back and then they start twisting and turning their 401 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 1: heads hissing, and it really it kind of looks like 402 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: a snake. So they are trying to impersonate the movements 403 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: and the sound of a snake. And yeah, that's not 404 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 1: at all what I thought they were doing. What did 405 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: you think they were doing? I thought they were just 406 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: trying to much like a thumb and thumb wrestling, just 407 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: avoid but also like you have wings, birds fly away. Yeah, 408 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: yeah it is. I mean I feel like it's also 409 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: super dramatic, like just it is. It kind of looks 410 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: also like a teenager who really doesn't want to do 411 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: something and is like not just rolling their eyes but 412 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: their whole head and neck and everything, or a baby 413 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: that like doesn't want whatever you're feeding is. Yeah, it's 414 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: just like turning away. Yeah, it looks like an avoidance move. 415 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: But what you said makes a lot more sense because 416 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,120 Speaker 1: it seems like wings would be the ultimate avoidance move, 417 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:03,159 Speaker 1: which this bird does have. Yes, but if they also learned, 418 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 1: then what are they going to do? What are they 419 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: gonna do? I also like that it's hair sticks up. Yeah, 420 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,160 Speaker 1: it's got a little poof on top of its head 421 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: that you don't notice, and it seems to only come 422 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: up when it's it's writhing around. Yeah, it is. It's 423 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: a whole thing. It looks a little bit like a 424 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: mad inventor. Uh. And it actually it is such a 425 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: bizarre behavior. It's so interesting looking that humans have noticed 426 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: this since ancient times. So they have been used in 427 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: human cultures in hexes and witchcraft to cast spells on 428 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 1: other people. In fact, it's genus name, Jinks, is from 429 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,679 Speaker 1: the Greek inks. I think I'm pronouncing that route rights, 430 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to you. You simply don't know better. Uh. 431 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: The it is Inks was a mythical nymph who used 432 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: in chantants to cause Zeus to fall in love with Io, 433 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: who was immortal, and she was punished by Zeus's wife Harra, 434 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: who turned Inks into a bird, the rhineck. So yeah, 435 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: this bird is from ancient Greek mythology and based on 436 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: this myth, or maybe preceding this myth, which the myth 437 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: played into. The rhineck was used in ancient Greece as 438 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: a love charm. People would attach it to a wheel 439 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: and spin it around. Oh yeah, a little brutal, and 440 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: it was meant to help you secure your lover. Um, 441 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: I don't think it probably worked. It probably just pissed 442 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: off this little bird and made it dizzy, made its 443 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: tall look even more scruffy and Bernie Sanders like, yeah, 444 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 1: uh yeah, poor little bird, don't do that. It's already 445 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: spinning enough. It's already twisting and binding enough. But I 446 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: just like I can't conceive of it someone spinning a 447 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: bird around and you're like, hey, what are you doing? 448 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 1: It's like I want to make sure, you know, like 449 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: my girlfriend comes back to me. Yeah, it doesn't. I 450 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 1: get In ancient Greece times I had different rituals, but 451 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: even that one feels like a stretch. Yeah, you got 452 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: it in a lot of work. Are you gonna capture 453 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: a bird? You gotta make it dance. You've got to 454 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 1: remember that they were probably constantly high off of like 455 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: volcanic fumes, is the idea, Yeah, this is a Yeah, 456 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: the whole of the whole place was just a gas leak, 457 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: which which makes that make more sense. Uh. It's also 458 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: like there are so many other things that happen in 459 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: day to day life that you can be that I 460 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: that I would attach to romance more like oh, a 461 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: butterfly lands on you, or yeah, something like that that 462 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: seem simple are more romantic, like this bird does look 463 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: like I mean a piece of bark and or scaly snake. Yeah, 464 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tie it to a string and like spin 465 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: it around, like I'm gonna torture a bird. Yeah, yeah, 466 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: I've tortured this bird for you. Don't you love me? Yeah? 467 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: It just it doesn't seem there are so many other 468 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: interactions that I've had with animals that seem a lot 469 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 1: more conducive to romance. And right, it's like cording a bird. 470 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: It's like cording someone by kicking a squirrel. Yeah, I 471 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: don't I don't really want someone cording me. That's torturing 472 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: an animal. Right in the meantime, that seems terrifying to 473 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: be kind of honest. If someone came up, I mean, 474 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: like spinning a bird, I that's like I feel scared. Yeah, 475 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: that's one of my that's one of my deal breakers. 476 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:04,720 Speaker 1: I think torture, Yeah yeah, board bird torture specifically, I'm 477 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: sure is a point of contention for you, but I 478 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: think in general, yeah, uh, capturing and spinning an animal, 479 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: it's not yeah, fantic. Yeah. If I'm looking on your 480 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: Tinder and like there's photos of you smiling, photos of 481 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: you in front of a statue, and then a photo 482 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 1: of you with like a bird twirling like that, you're 483 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: twirling around. You've just grabbed a seagull and you're smashing 484 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 1: it against a wall. I'm not interested. It's not sure, 485 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: But I mean a lot of a lot of dudes 486 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: do think that, like capturing, like a fishing like that's 487 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: true with a with a bass open is cool and romantic. 488 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: So who knows that's true? We do. We are We 489 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: are like, hey, this fish is drowning in the air. Uh, 490 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: it's not attractive. Does this not impress you? Is working? 491 00:31:53,960 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 1: Yea work? You could be like this fish in my arms? Yeah. Yeah. Instead, 492 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: here's a bird I'm spinning at you. Oh, poor Bertie, 493 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: doesn't that is just trying to pretend to be a snake. Yeah. 494 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: And then like, I it's so sad when these great 495 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 1: evolutionary strategies of these animals that they've put in perfecting 496 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: for hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, and 497 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 1: then like humans come around. I was like, Ah, a 498 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: funny bird. Maybe if I spin it around, someone will 499 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: have sex with me. Yeah, it is very funny that 500 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 1: the idea of just throwing a bird at someone you're 501 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: interested in. Yeah, yeah, it's evolution did not really take 502 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:46,959 Speaker 1: into account the dumb creativity of humans. No, no, there 503 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: was no way to because who saw that coming? Who 504 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: saw spinning a bird around on a straight you know 505 00:32:55,640 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: who saw that coming? Apes? Apes, apes apes come h 506 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, they're like, yeah, this is great, this is fun. Yeah, 507 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: you should do this. Do it to me? Yeah? Well yeah, 508 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: Before we go, we've got to play a little game, Bridget. 509 00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: You know what game? Yeah, I do. I'm bad at 510 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: this game. So that's what makes it fun. That's how 511 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 1: I feel superior is to shame my guests. Yeah, I 512 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: guess his squawk and the Mystery Animal sound game. Every 513 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: week I play a mystery animal sound and you the listener, 514 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: and you the gift, try to guess he's making that sound. 515 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: It can be any animal in the world. Um, and 516 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,080 Speaker 1: so here we go. Last week, mistery animals sound hint 517 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: was a tiny wolf or something else. So Bridget, can 518 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: you guess who is making that sound? Um? Well, you 519 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: did say something about a tiny wolf, and it makes 520 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: me think it's not a tiny wolf, or it might 521 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,360 Speaker 1: be a tiny wolf, which is not helpful. There's some 522 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:17,680 Speaker 1: sort of fox. I'm gonna go that's a fox noise. 523 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 1: Interesting gifts, it's incorrect. Congratulations instead not to Bridget but 524 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: to raining champions Auntie B and Joey P. For gissing 525 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,720 Speaker 1: correctly the grasshopper mouse. And honorable mention to ray Gee 526 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: who guessed werewolf mouse, which I think is probably a 527 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: better name for it than grasshopper mouse. So the grasshopper 528 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: mouse is found in North America, and despite its cute, 529 00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: little fluffy body, it is a ferocious predator like a 530 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,280 Speaker 1: miniature wolf. It will eat insects and even scorpions, snakes 531 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: or other mice. It has no moral code other than 532 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: feeling it's tiny, voracious belly. Uh well, you know it's 533 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: a mammal. I'm gonna give myself points. You did guess mammal. 534 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 1: And aren't we all related? All us camels? When you 535 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: go back somewhere enough somewhere some little shrew thing. So 536 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: how do these little mouse's mice mice is the word? 537 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: How do they manage mice to kill scorpions and centipedes 538 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 1: despite their toxins. So they are very fast and they 539 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: can repeatedly out maneuver the arthropods and deliver a series 540 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: of exoskeleton crushing bites. But additionally they have developed a 541 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: pain tolerance to scorpion stings and are able to brush 542 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,840 Speaker 1: off a few pokes if it means they can feast 543 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: upon a delicious scorpion dinner. So these are like super mice. Wow, 544 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: that's cool. That's badass. Yea a scorpion now and it's 545 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 1: pretty pressive. Yeah, yeah, and it's pretty cute. It's like 546 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: not the not the killing part, but that are still 547 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: pictures of the mouse. Well, and it's just a widow moodo. 548 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,439 Speaker 1: It's a little, tiny baby moodo. It's baby murders. They're 549 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: tiny and honestly, I'm I'm rooting for the furry thing 550 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: over the bug anyway. I feel like murderer is cute 551 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: once it gets small enough at a certain scale. Yeah. Oh, 552 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: it's just a little murder, a little it's murder. So um. 553 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,919 Speaker 1: These mice will also howl as a form of communication, 554 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,439 Speaker 1: although researchers aren't exactly sure what they're communicating. It could 555 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: be to stake out their territory or ward off anyone 556 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: who would dare challenge this tiny killer. Oh there's a 557 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: picture of it howling in the moon and love wan 558 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: I yeah, you if you tried to keep one of these, 559 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: it would be like you'd wake up and it'd be came. 560 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 1: It would just be screaming. Yeah, So onto this week's 561 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: mystery animal sound the hint you wouldn't want this around 562 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: your neck than so, Bridget guesses, Oh god, well, you're 563 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: hint made me think sneak. But there's no way a 564 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: snake is making those noises. Those are wild noises. I 565 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: want to say it's some sort of goose, some sort 566 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: of goose. Well, we'll find out next week on the 567 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: next episode of Creature Feature if Bridget is right that 568 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: this is some sort of goose sort of very specific. Yeah, no, 569 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 1: there's a species of goose called some sort of some 570 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: sort of some sort of goose. Well, Bridget, hey, thank 571 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show and go 572 00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: on on this wild twist and turning ride taking a 573 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: podcast house and fun as always. Yeah, as always, thanks 574 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: for having me. You got anything to plug? Um? Yeah, 575 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,480 Speaker 1: I'm working on some new stuff some with my podcast 576 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,600 Speaker 1: co host Sarah Griffith. We're working on a little sketch 577 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,320 Speaker 1: series that we're doing with friends, and working on some 578 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: very exciting stuff with small Beans. We're making a movie 579 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,640 Speaker 1: over there, and if you follow the Small Beans Patreon, 580 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: you can keep track of all that stuff. And if 581 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: you follow me on Twitter at bridget Tweets, you can 582 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: see all the fun video content we're writing and producing. 583 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: That's so exciting. Small Beans is a great podcast network 584 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: as well. And now you guys are doing video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 585 00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: we're we're trying to make a movie over there. And 586 00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: it's very exciting and like a small meal, a feast 587 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: for the yea and for the eyes. Yeah, it was 588 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: super talented, super great folks. And uh yeah, we're gonna 589 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,640 Speaker 1: need help making a movie. So if you go to 590 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: their Patreon, follow follow us there and see when we're 591 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: up to. So a movie is kind of like a podcast, 592 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: but that you can look at, you can look at 593 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,480 Speaker 1: and most podcasts are, you know, of equal length these 594 00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: days of movies. Uh, but yes, a visual podcast if 595 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,879 Speaker 1: you will. Wow, Okay, what a concept. Well that's great. 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