WEBVTT - “A Crumbling Empire”

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<v Speaker 1>Camp hell Anawaki is a production of I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>discussion of traumatic, sexual and violent content, listener discussion is advised.

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<v Speaker 1>I think once, maybe twice a year, people from the

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<v Speaker 1>state would come out to do like an inspection or something.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Terry, a former patient at the Annawaki North

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<v Speaker 1>Campus in Rockmart, the all girls facility. She remembers during

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<v Speaker 1>her time how the staff would handle visits from state

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<v Speaker 1>agencies that were meant to check on the treatment center

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<v Speaker 1>and how it operated with an Awake now being a

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<v Speaker 1>licensed medical facility, it had to be recorded that patients

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<v Speaker 1>were getting the proper treatment they were supposed to. And

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the first time when they came out, they

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<v Speaker 1>picked like three of us girls to be the one

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<v Speaker 1>to answer any questions, and so they took the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of the group like way way out into the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>like a mile out into the woods. And I can

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<v Speaker 1>remember when the first inspector lady came, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>group leaders told her the girls are out on a

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<v Speaker 1>work project about a mile out in the woods. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they just knew that the inspector probably wasn't going

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<v Speaker 1>to hike out a mile. But we were available though.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like three of us, and we were told

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<v Speaker 1>even before the inspector came, if they asked if we

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<v Speaker 1>met with a psychiatrist, to let them know that we did,

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<v Speaker 1>and that we had thirty to forty five minute sessions.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point in time, Annawiki was sold to the

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<v Speaker 1>parents of its patients largely as a medical treatment center

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<v Speaker 1>with daily therapy. In reality, this therapy was greatly exaggerated,

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<v Speaker 1>often amounting to know more than a few minutes at

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<v Speaker 1>most with an actual therapist. I don't think my parents

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<v Speaker 1>realized until I got out that I really didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>the help that I needed. We would see a psychiatrist,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to say once a week. It might have

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<v Speaker 1>been every other week. But we would literally like get

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<v Speaker 1>in a line and go one after the other and

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<v Speaker 1>you'd only get a few minutes, and they would just

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<v Speaker 1>right on a clipboard and they would literally look at

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<v Speaker 1>their clock and say, Okay, time's up next. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a joke. We like going to the psychiatrist

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<v Speaker 1>because it gave us like a five minute break from

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<v Speaker 1>the heavy labor work. But I mean, we didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>get that much time. It was a joke. And I

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<v Speaker 1>do know um that my parents were charged for like

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<v Speaker 1>a forty five minute visit, I think is what it

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be. Thirty or forty five minutes, and

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<v Speaker 1>we used to laugh about it. I guess we knew

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors are making all this money off of us

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<v Speaker 1>and they're only seeing us like for a couple of minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Terry says that during these visits from state officials, the

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<v Speaker 1>designated patients who were allowed to answer questions were to

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<v Speaker 1>downplay the lack of education as well as how their

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<v Speaker 1>time was really being spent. They told us to explain

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<v Speaker 1>to them that it was an owned privilege and that

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<v Speaker 1>some people did go to school. And then there was

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<v Speaker 1>another thing that we were told not to let them know.

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<v Speaker 1>They like encouraged us not to talk about the manual

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<v Speaker 1>labor that we did all day. And the only reason

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<v Speaker 1>why I would go along with it because I knew

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't right, like to not tell them the truth

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<v Speaker 1>on certain things. But it was another way where I

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<v Speaker 1>thought I was getting brownie points, you know, because they

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<v Speaker 1>chose me to be the one to talk, so I

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<v Speaker 1>thought it just hit me on their good side that

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<v Speaker 1>looking back, that was pretty messed up because they probably

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<v Speaker 1>could have helped us if I had told the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's just the way it went. Although Terry went

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<v Speaker 1>along within a week he's plan to hide their abuse

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<v Speaker 1>from government officials, she did try to report the wrongdoing

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<v Speaker 1>to her family when she had the chance. I did

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<v Speaker 1>try to tell my parents on one of my home visits,

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<v Speaker 1>especially about the two counselors that I had that were

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping together, that had a relationship, and all the sexual

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<v Speaker 1>things that were going on, and how uncomfortable I was,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really wanted to get out of there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it backfired because when they brought me back from my

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<v Speaker 1>home visit, they met with one of the social workers

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<v Speaker 1>and then they called me in and the social worker

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<v Speaker 1>just barrated me. She said, you know, one of your

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<v Speaker 1>biggest problems, and the reason why you're out here and

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<v Speaker 1>you're still out here, is because you're a manipulator and

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<v Speaker 1>what you've done um to your parents trying to make

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<v Speaker 1>up these things, saying that there's this sexual abuse and

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<v Speaker 1>things going on just so you can get out. You're

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna get away with that. You know, they see

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<v Speaker 1>right through We see right through it. And so it

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<v Speaker 1>was like I was a liar, and they didn't they

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<v Speaker 1>believe the social worker. They didn't believe me anymore. And

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<v Speaker 1>that she said that I wasn't the only patient out

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<v Speaker 1>there trying to do that, that there were other kids

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<v Speaker 1>saying the same thing just so they could get out.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she tried to intimidate me, saying, do you

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<v Speaker 1>know how serious it is to make allegations like that

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<v Speaker 1>about your counselors and about other girls doing these things

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<v Speaker 1>with each other? I just I backed off. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>over the past several weeks we have received number of

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<v Speaker 1>very serious allegations concerning both the facility out there in

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<v Speaker 1>a number of individuals involved with them. It was just

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<v Speaker 1>a form of their therapy. They were told to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and at the time he was fourteen and a half,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years old, they didn't know any better. I asked him,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you letting this happen? Why are you covering

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<v Speaker 1>up for Louis Batterer. He had no answer to that question.

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<v Speaker 1>Having and this sitution paid its little could be such

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<v Speaker 1>shock destrica place and to do absolutely the contrary of

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<v Speaker 1>what they should have done. I'm disturbable the fact of

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<v Speaker 1>something and he's still going on it. An I wake you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Stein and this is camp hell an Awake.

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<v Speaker 1>By the mid nineteen eighties, an Awaki had reached its

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<v Speaker 1>highest attendance numbers. Yet not only was it operating on

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<v Speaker 1>three different campuses Douglasville, Rock Martin, and Carabelle, it was

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<v Speaker 1>now taking its patients on trips to other countries. In

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<v Speaker 1>a board meeting from nineteen eighty three, plans for an

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<v Speaker 1>Antawaki University were discussed, a program that would continue on

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<v Speaker 1>through graduate degree status. Disruptions in the organization had started

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<v Speaker 1>to occur. One catalyst began with a legal dispute over

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<v Speaker 1>the recording rights to the songs written by the patients

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<v Speaker 1>you just heard from Terry. During this dispute, it was

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<v Speaker 1>also brought to her parents attention other wrongdoings which occurred

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<v Speaker 1>while her and her brothers attended, in particular that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they weren't getting the treatment which their parents had been

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<v Speaker 1>paying for. The fact that Terry's brothers had also been

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<v Speaker 1>involved with the annual trip to Mexico made matters even worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's journalist Albert Edgin. At the same time, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a parent whose daughter had written a song about Anna

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<v Speaker 1>Wake and there was a complaint. There was some dispute

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<v Speaker 1>over the whether she was going to get paid for

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<v Speaker 1>the song or how the boarding studio was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be paid. But that parent then, in coincidental parallel track

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<v Speaker 1>learned about the trips to the Mexican brothels. This cause

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<v Speaker 1>for alarm regarding payment to Anawaki was not a rare instance.

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<v Speaker 1>With an Awaki now collecting payments from its patient's insurance,

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<v Speaker 1>Oftentimes parents would not realize what they were actually paying

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<v Speaker 1>for the school. One quota number for yearly tuition to

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<v Speaker 1>an Awaki was thirty three thousand dollars a year in

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<v Speaker 1>the early eighties, the equivalent of over one d thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars today. Receiving payment from medical insurance policies was just

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<v Speaker 1>one of an Awaki's multiple revenue streams. With the purchase

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<v Speaker 1>of land for its three campuses and properties in Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>and Canada, and Awaki had set up a shell corporation

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<v Speaker 1>called Anawaki Estates. This LLC would own the real estate

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<v Speaker 1>and Awake had acquired and would then lease the property

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<v Speaker 1>to its other corporation and Awaki Incorporated in essence shifting

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<v Speaker 1>funds from the patients back to the owners of aniwaki Estates.

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<v Speaker 1>And who were the owners of the shell corporation none

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<v Speaker 1>other than Lewis Petter's three daughters, Tina, Rita and Marcia.

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<v Speaker 1>They were leasing them just like anybody else would be

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<v Speaker 1>leasing real estate from another company, any other business. So

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<v Speaker 1>the non profit was paying the profit corporation. The nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>aniwaki E was paying an awaki Estates rent for lack

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<v Speaker 1>of a better way of putting it. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>recall the amounts and involved there, but the ownership of

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<v Speaker 1>that was the three daughters. This is Frank Win. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the d A for Douglas County in the ninet eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>He says the business behind Anawaki's financial interest was largely

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<v Speaker 1>tied to the pattern family. Pet His daughters would go

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<v Speaker 1>on to marry others involved in the organization. Marcia Petter

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<v Speaker 1>to Bud Pedigo in a week he's main accountant, and

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<v Speaker 1>Rita Petter to James Henry Evans one of in a

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<v Speaker 1>week he's heads of management an awaki Estates. Who would

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<v Speaker 1>have been the name of that corporation. Anawaki Inc. Was

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<v Speaker 1>the not for profit or nonprofit organization that you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe most of the board of directors thought when

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<v Speaker 1>they authorized stuff that they were authorizing purchases in the

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<v Speaker 1>name of Anawaki Inc. And actually they were leasing a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the facilities from Anawaki Estates. So the family

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<v Speaker 1>that was the big picture of the family's involvements. You

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<v Speaker 1>had three of them that owned the for profit corporation.

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<v Speaker 1>Both of his daughters were in charge of different departments,

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<v Speaker 1>two of his son in law's were involved. His wife

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<v Speaker 1>was also involved. All of them in a director type position.

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<v Speaker 1>It is around this same time that some changes were

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<v Speaker 1>happening in the law enforcement agencies of Douglas County. For years,

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<v Speaker 1>the sheriff had been Claude Abercrombie. Sheriff. Abercrumbie two had

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<v Speaker 1>close ties with Anna Waki, even teaching a horse breaking

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<v Speaker 1>class to the boys who would come and work on

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<v Speaker 1>his horse farm. Abercrumbie's term ended in the mid seventies

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<v Speaker 1>after his deputy sheriff, Earl Lee, decided to run against

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<v Speaker 1>him for the position and was elected. Earl Lee became

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<v Speaker 1>a known character of Douglas County Lore. Here's what Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Winn remembers about him. Well, Early was sheriff of Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>Canty when when I came along, he had a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>that clearly was a walking tall type of sheriff. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of it was very much talk. I learned the no

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<v Speaker 1>Earl and and love him because I could see just

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<v Speaker 1>how obsessive he would get investigating a homicide. He couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>stand that someone was killed and that there wasn't justice

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<v Speaker 1>trying to find who did it, and he would work

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<v Speaker 1>very hard. He wouldn't just jump in and arrest somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>He's certainly the kind of person that would not back

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<v Speaker 1>down or somebody that you didn't want to have a

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<v Speaker 1>fight with. So he had developed a reputation with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people local from Douglasville. Pat Kirkland remembers how

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Lee was thought of at the time. Early has

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<v Speaker 1>a reputation on his own. Early was an old West lawman.

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<v Speaker 1>He was the law. I mean, everybody knew that Earl

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<v Speaker 1>Lee is the law in Douglas County. Early was just

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<v Speaker 1>a good old boy, old small town you know, sheriff

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. Of course he was you know, he was

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<v Speaker 1>elected by the people and everything, but he just really

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<v Speaker 1>it and put up with too much stuff from anyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Back several years ago, there he was, he had a

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<v Speaker 1>prisoner in the back of his car, and I remembered

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<v Speaker 1>this somehow that prisoner and handcuffs committed suicide in the

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<v Speaker 1>back of Early's car. Now how and they had did

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<v Speaker 1>that happen? Earl Lee had a reputation in the county.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he did a lot of good for the

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<v Speaker 1>county and everything. But Earl Lee was an old West lawman,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's gonna be my way or you ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>like the circumstances or the what happens at with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that there were some a couple of instants

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<v Speaker 1>where people got shot. People believe that Earl had shot him.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had reviewed the files when I first came along,

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<v Speaker 1>just out of curiosity, and had had talked to some

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<v Speaker 1>people in the Sheriff's department, and the truth was Earle

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<v Speaker 1>had not been the one that shot the people. But

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<v Speaker 1>he never for with back down from letting people believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't correct them because he felt like it helped

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<v Speaker 1>his reputation as far as uh, you know, law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as the criminal UH elements were concerned. There

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<v Speaker 1>were a lot of people. I heard tapes of people

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<v Speaker 1>that would we're doing drupe transactions and would say I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to Douglas County or I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>Earl Leaves County. That was more likely how they would

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<v Speaker 1>say it. It was amazing. Sometimes. I'll never forget one

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<v Speaker 1>case where he told me said, I tried to let

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<v Speaker 1>my people do the job on their own and let

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<v Speaker 1>them branch out and be able to do it. And

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<v Speaker 1>they had actually gone and searched an apartment and came

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<v Speaker 1>back and told him they couldn't. They just didn't find anything.

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<v Speaker 1>And an Earl believed that just didn't make sense in

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<v Speaker 1>relation to this case, that that person had to have

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<v Speaker 1>been somehow involved. And the body that we found in

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas County, Earl, he asked the guy, you still give

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<v Speaker 1>us consent search, and Earl went back and searched with

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<v Speaker 1>the same officers and the first thing he notices is

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<v Speaker 1>just a few little red spots, real minor red spots

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<v Speaker 1>on the wall. And he realizes that nobody has turned

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<v Speaker 1>the bed over, so he makes his officers flip the bed,

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<v Speaker 1>and the first thing they see is some blood, and

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<v Speaker 1>then they find some on the bottom side of a pillow.

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<v Speaker 1>And whether it's true or not, I remember Earl after

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<v Speaker 1>they started, after they clearly had found blood, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>let me show you where the gun is. And he said, so,

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<v Speaker 1>I took him into the guy's closet and started patting

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<v Speaker 1>down the clothes, and the gun had been placed on

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<v Speaker 1>the inside pocket of a coat. This was clearly the

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<v Speaker 1>murder weapon, but his officers had missed it. And Earl,

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<v Speaker 1>once he found the blood, he knew exactly where somebody

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<v Speaker 1>might hide a gun, and and that his officers might

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<v Speaker 1>not have looked at and that still might have been

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. But he he brings the guy into his

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<v Speaker 1>office and very politely interviews him and and goes over

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<v Speaker 1>his rights with him and talks to him for a

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<v Speaker 1>little while, reaches under his desk and pulls up the

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<v Speaker 1>jacket and says, tell me about this jacket, and the

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<v Speaker 1>guy immediately starts explaining why the gun was there. And

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<v Speaker 1>Earl had made had spent thirty minutes never mentioning the gun,

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<v Speaker 1>never told the guy the point of the coat, And

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<v Speaker 1>like Earl told me when we were prosecuting the case,

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<v Speaker 1>it was better than a confession. Frank says that while

0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:51.360
<v Speaker 1>Earl Lee had his suspicions about an AWAKEI, he never

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<v Speaker 1>had enough of a case to make an arrest or

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<v Speaker 1>conduct a formal investigation. This outlook changed after a tragic

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<v Speaker 1>incident occur on the Douglasville campus. From Earl's Lee's standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that had caught his attention had

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<v Speaker 1>been that there was a situation where UH kid had

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<v Speaker 1>killed himself. He had jumped off of I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>call it an old rock or brick type of chimney

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<v Speaker 1>structure and landed onto a concrete slab. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>something that Earl was very uh touched anytime a kid

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<v Speaker 1>died and he would get involved, uh and he would

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<v Speaker 1>become obsessive, compulsive. Carl Moore remembers his reaction when he

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<v Speaker 1>was informed there had been a suicide at Annawaki. There

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<v Speaker 1>was a a chimney of one of the cabins that

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<v Speaker 1>was left. I can't I think it was just a

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<v Speaker 1>chimney with the slab. I don't remember why it was

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<v Speaker 1>that way, but he climbed to the top of that

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<v Speaker 1>and uh dove off. I had been on a trip somewhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what I was doing now, but I

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<v Speaker 1>had someone had picked me up the airport and told

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<v Speaker 1>me that one of the kids who killed themselves. It

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<v Speaker 1>just devastated me to hear that. I think I actually

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<v Speaker 1>arrived back at the campus as the ambulances were still there.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the idea that a lot of the kids

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<v Speaker 1>knew him. It was a big deal. That was something

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<v Speaker 1>he never could figure out why that kid did what

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<v Speaker 1>he did. That just he wasn't provided with enough information

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<v Speaker 1>from Mannawaki that made him comfortable that it explained the

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<v Speaker 1>kid committing suicide. And so that was just something that

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<v Speaker 1>bothered him, and he spoke to me about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it was something that we sort in our minds

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<v Speaker 1>had in the back of our thought process when when

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<v Speaker 1>other things developed. By eighty Lewis Petter's friend and confident

0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Jim Parham had completed his term as a part of

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.959
<v Speaker 1>Jimmy Carter's presidential cabinet and had returned to serve as

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<v Speaker 1>a member of the board of directors for Anawaki. With

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<v Speaker 1>Anawaki licensed as an official medical hospital, it was now

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<v Speaker 1>subject to receive state funding as a mental institute as

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<v Speaker 1>part of a new mental health program put in a

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<v Speaker 1>place by the DHR, the same organization which Parum was

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<v Speaker 1>once head up. In a document from the Georgia Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Human Resources from January eighteenth night, it is recorded

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<v Speaker 1>that the State of Georgia paid an Awake the sum

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<v Speaker 1>of eight hundred and seventy two thousand dollars of taxpayer money,

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<v Speaker 1>the purpose of which was to build a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>evaluation and observation or E and O building that could

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<v Speaker 1>house up to forty five additional patients. While Annawaki was

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<v Speaker 1>clearly still in good graces with state government agencies, others

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<v Speaker 1>were beginning to become suspicious of the tax exempt organization.

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<v Speaker 1>Following the suicide on campus in Antawaki's resistance to investigate it,

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<v Speaker 1>local authorities were now looking more closely into the financial

0:20:37.920 --> 0:20:44.040
<v Speaker 1>organization behind in Awaki. In nine two, Douglas County decided

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<v Speaker 1>to revoke an Awake's nonprofit tax exemption, followed by an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to recoup hundreds of thousands of dollars in back taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>The county felt it was owed. Insurance companies, who were

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<v Speaker 1>now being charged hundreds of thousands of dollars also began

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<v Speaker 1>to question the validity of an Awaki's treatment. An early

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<v Speaker 1>correspondence from shows Blue Cross Blue Shield arguing that the treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>costing upwards of one thousand dollars for a patient was

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<v Speaker 1>not covered under their plan. Another correspondence from the United

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<v Speaker 1>States Department of Defense Division of Health Affairs regarding the

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<v Speaker 1>son of a retired Army officer shows a decline to

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<v Speaker 1>cover the treatment provided it Innawaki upon further review and

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<v Speaker 1>called the treatment quote not medically necessary. While state agencies

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<v Speaker 1>and insurance companies alike were beginning to grow skeptical of

0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Anawaki's practices, other things were starting to make parents of

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<v Speaker 1>the students and even board members of an Awaki suspicious.

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<v Speaker 1>One of these board members that would greatly affect the

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<v Speaker 1>future of an Awaki was one Sarah Tillis. Here's journalist

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<v Speaker 1>Albert Edgin. Sarah Tillis was the mother of several children

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<v Speaker 1>who had been treated in an Awake and who are

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<v Speaker 1>still being treated at an Awake in the eighties, but

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<v Speaker 1>also an important member of the board, a very influential

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<v Speaker 1>member of the board of directors, and eventually the chairman

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<v Speaker 1>of the Board of Directors. She and her husband were

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<v Speaker 1>very involved in all sorts of activities there and very

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<v Speaker 1>supportive friends with Petter and wealthy in their own right

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<v Speaker 1>and had been seduced by Petter. Petter made sure that

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<v Speaker 1>her children were given special attention. At the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, Petter was a good counselor. If he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be a good counselor, he could be a good counselor.

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<v Speaker 1>So if he had somebody he needed to curry favor with,

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<v Speaker 1>and the way to do it was to counsel her

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<v Speaker 1>children in a very professional and accomplished way, he did it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what he did with Sarah tell Us, he

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<v Speaker 1>lured her in. He seduced her in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>that he seduced those boys through his manipulation of her emotions.

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<v Speaker 1>So Sarah became an Antiwaki advocate on deroids. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>she was the she was an awake's face. And in return,

0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:08.040
<v Speaker 1>her children were taken care of, and she was introduced

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<v Speaker 1>by Petter to the you know, political hierarchy in two

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<v Speaker 1>different states. You know, she could go to all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of affairs and events with the governor of Florida or

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<v Speaker 1>the governor Georgia away. It was very you know, very

0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:25.320
<v Speaker 1>high cotton for a suburban housewife in Atlanta. He gave

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<v Speaker 1>her those avenues. During one of an Awake's annual Mexico trips,

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<v Speaker 1>in a group of board members joined along a number

0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 1>of incidents occurred which gave alarm to Sarah Tillis and others,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular witnessing what she believed to be an inappropriate

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with Carl Moore and Petter's teenage granddaughter Shari. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to think that was a pretty well developed system

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<v Speaker 1>by four when Sarah stumbled onto just one aspect of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the aspect of it that she stumbled on was

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<v Speaker 1>is important in the narrative because it changed her opinion

0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 1>of Petter, and that was that Petter's granddaughter, who was fourteen,

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<v Speaker 1>was engaging in sexual for play with the driver of

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<v Speaker 1>a van that was taking an Awakey officials around Mexico,

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<v Speaker 1>and Petter knew this was happening. It was his granddaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>A couple of the the board members, Sarah Tillis being

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<v Speaker 1>the main one, noticed that and complained about it. Looking

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<v Speaker 1>back on it, it's amazing and it's sort of as

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<v Speaker 1>a testament to Petter's um sheer control over the over

0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:44.560
<v Speaker 1>people he could control people's opinion of him, and so

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<v Speaker 1>even though this was something that that Sarah disapproved of,

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<v Speaker 1>she was able to put that in some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a uh place where it was something that troubled her,

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<v Speaker 1>but it didn't completely alter her opinion and initially, Peter

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<v Speaker 1>I asked Carl Moore about his involvement with Petter's then

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 1>teenage granddaughter. He says this was just another sign of

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>how bad things had gotten for him. There was a

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:21.520
<v Speaker 1>larger context to it. Um doesn't justify or really change

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 1>anything about it. I think it was another example, in

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<v Speaker 1>a way of how twisted things were for me at

0:25:31.560 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>the time. And I don't think it's I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I can say anything else about it. I have to

0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:41.199
<v Speaker 1>think it was smoke screen in some ways. After this

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>episode published, I was contacted by both Carl and Sari.

0:25:46.520 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>Carl and Shery both stated that their relationship was strictly

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>as friends and never sexual. When asked about her relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Carl, Charis stated quote, Carl has never been anything

0:25:59.680 --> 0:26:02.919
<v Speaker 1>but good to me. He cared about what happened to

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<v Speaker 1>me without ever wanting something in return. When asked again

0:26:07.560 --> 0:26:12.199
<v Speaker 1>about his relationship with Shari, Karl stated quote, I was

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<v Speaker 1>being her friend without being sexual. I knew there was

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<v Speaker 1>a risk that my affection was being misunderstood by others,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did not care what they thought. It is

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<v Speaker 1>ironic to me that, after all these years, that an

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<v Speaker 1>act of kindness caused the outrage required for the Board

0:26:29.400 --> 0:26:35.120
<v Speaker 1>of Directors at Annawaki to ultimately act. Sarah Tillis would

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:38.120
<v Speaker 1>later give a written statement outlining this trip to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>A group from Anauake's board of trustees flew to Mexico

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.880
<v Speaker 1>City to join the rest of the group from Anawaki.

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:48.960
<v Speaker 1>A lavish trip is recorded, with the group being housed

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<v Speaker 1>by presidents of different areas in Mexico and other government officials.

0:26:54.480 --> 0:27:00.840
<v Speaker 1>She describes inappropriate behavior involving Karl Moore, then Petter's fourteen

0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:05.080
<v Speaker 1>year old granddaughter Sharie. When Petters confronted by some of

0:27:05.119 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the board members, he states, quote, it's not any of

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.359
<v Speaker 1>your goddamn business or the trustees as to why I

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:16.359
<v Speaker 1>brought Cheri to Mexico, even stating that he will call

0:27:16.400 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 1>a board meeting himself to tell the trustees the same thing.

0:27:21.240 --> 0:27:25.399
<v Speaker 1>No such meeting ever happened. I think the turning point

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:31.399
<v Speaker 1>was when he was dismissive of the complaints about the

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:36.959
<v Speaker 1>relationship that was observed between his granddaughter and Karl Moore.

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.359
<v Speaker 1>What he said after that he heard complaints about this

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:46.480
<v Speaker 1>relationship with Karl Moore was something like, she's going to

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<v Speaker 1>get screwed by somebody, it may as well be Karl Moore.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was shocking to the people that heard that

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<v Speaker 1>and heard that he had said that, and that set

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<v Speaker 1>up a sort of a permanent avenue that he would

0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 1>never get out of, a permanent avenue of disapproval that

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>he had never had to deal with before. Really, it

0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:16.440
<v Speaker 1>was later in the fall when board members who knew

0:28:16.480 --> 0:28:22.360
<v Speaker 1>about the relationship between Petter's granddaughter and Karl Moore. Now

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.680
<v Speaker 1>we're learning that some of the children, some of the

0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 1>kids had gone to brothels at the same time, which

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<v Speaker 1>would then, I mean, that's just an example of how

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.919
<v Speaker 1>it began to get out of that one avenue and expand.

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>And it took a long time before uh, it exploded,

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<v Speaker 1>But maybe not that long when you think about it

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, because if he was doing it since nine,

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>somebody notices in and the disapproval sticks in their mind.

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>It only took a year and a half from there

0:28:54.360 --> 0:29:00.880
<v Speaker 1>for it to fall apart. Upon returning from Mexico trip,

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 1>Sarah Tillis began asking questions to the upper management of

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:08.720
<v Speaker 1>an Awaki. She claimed that she had been told by

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>one of the patients who had consistently not been given

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:13.840
<v Speaker 1>a bet on the trip, that it was due to

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Petter wanting to quote play the sex game, according to

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>a statement by Sarah Tillis, When this was brought to

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>Petter's wife, Mabel's attention, her response was that those types

0:29:25.800 --> 0:29:30.959
<v Speaker 1>of matters were not reported, possibly influenced by the confrontations

0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 1>by board members or issues involving receiving payment from insurance companies.

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:40.040
<v Speaker 1>Louis Petter attempted a sale of an Awake shortly after

0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:45.320
<v Speaker 1>the Mexico trip. In according to his statement by Jim Parren,

0:29:45.800 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Petter had received offers for up to thirty million dollars

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:52.320
<v Speaker 1>for the center. The only problem was that Petter was

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:56.320
<v Speaker 1>not willing to let an Awak's books be scrutinized. The

0:29:56.360 --> 0:30:00.000
<v Speaker 1>deal shortly fell through. Board members were beginning to become

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 1>suspicious not just a Petter's actions, but also of how

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:27.719
<v Speaker 1>in a week's finances were being handled. Suspicions had begun

0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:31.440
<v Speaker 1>to build around in Awaki and its multiple revenue streams.

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<v Speaker 1>An incident would bring further scrutiny to the program on

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<v Speaker 1>March of that year, when a youth being evaluated for

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<v Speaker 1>in Aweki treatment escaped from his Florida caseworker and fled

0:30:44.000 --> 0:30:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the property. Fourteen year old Billy Ray White disappeared into

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:53.280
<v Speaker 1>the center's wooded surroundings. Three days later, while attempting to

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<v Speaker 1>steal a dump truck, White shot and killed local resident

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<v Speaker 1>James D. Hall with a revolver stolen from a truck

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:06.160
<v Speaker 1>in the neighborhood. The death shocked the community, raising concerns

0:31:06.200 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to Anawaki was not properly watching over what could sometimes

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>be dangerous patients being kept there. The whole community will

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<v Speaker 1>miss him because he's lived here most of his life,

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<v Speaker 1>sure will, Frankie Gibbons says. The killing continues to worry homeowners. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we tried to have meanings upcoming alert systems so that

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<v Speaker 1>they would let us know when one was off. Doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>worry you when some of them get out, Yeah, we've

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<v Speaker 1>reported since we've been out here. We call him running

0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>through our property, property across road rolfe and call him

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<v Speaker 1>I not mad and we've notifiedment Leaf for the time.

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<v Speaker 1>An Awaki officials had been warned months earlier that White

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<v Speaker 1>was a quote homicidal threat and could possibly kill without

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<v Speaker 1>feeling any remorse. Sheriff Earl Lee responded at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have intensified my search for him if I

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<v Speaker 1>had known what they knew, but they wouldn't tell me

0:32:08.280 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>anything at all. Government agencies and insurance companies were both

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<v Speaker 1>beginning to inquire into Antawak's financial irregularities. Soon, another tragic

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:24.280
<v Speaker 1>event would take place that would shake the foundation structure.

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<v Speaker 1>Bud Pedigo was Antawak's main accountant and the person who

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<v Speaker 1>would have to answer to anyone looking into its finances.

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>He was also married to Petter's daughter Marcia, both largely

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<v Speaker 1>involved with the inner workings of the organization. In May

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<v Speaker 1>of Pedago was killed in an automobile accident just a

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<v Speaker 1>few blocks away from Antawaki. A drunk driver struck Pedigo's

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>car with him and his young daughter in the front seat.

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<v Speaker 1>His daughter thankfully lived, but Bud was not so lucky.

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<v Speaker 1>Carl Moore remembers being one of the first people to

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<v Speaker 1>be notified about Pedigo's death. I think Bud was. He

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<v Speaker 1>was a nice guy. He was the financial losser like

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<v Speaker 1>the CFO. I can't even remember how I heard about it,

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 1>but I went there. It was right almost on the campus.

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I went there and the car was pushed off the road.

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>There was a van there that had run into him

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<v Speaker 1>almost ahead on wreck that hit the driver's side of

0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>the car. When I got there, Bud was actually in

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>the passenger seat, and Uh, I went down there. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know why there was nobody down there. I went

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<v Speaker 1>down there like I was gonna help him out, and

0:33:47.480 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>and he was gone. I didn't know it for a

0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:54.760
<v Speaker 1>little while. His daughter was in the car. This is

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>uh youngest daughter. I think she was four or five.

0:33:59.720 --> 0:34:01.760
<v Speaker 1>She had crawled out the back window of the car.

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<v Speaker 1>What I understand. The guy driving the van, he was

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>drunk and he was injured. He said, Hey, the guy

0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:13.359
<v Speaker 1>that's driving the van ran off through the woods, which

0:34:13.440 --> 0:34:16.359
<v Speaker 1>was a lie. It was actually him and I think

0:34:16.440 --> 0:34:19.239
<v Speaker 1>he was charged with it. Yeah, it was a hard thing.

0:34:21.680 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Then Bud Pettigo died. Between the Mexico revelations in the

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.800
<v Speaker 1>middle of the summer of eighty four and his death

0:34:31.360 --> 0:34:35.440
<v Speaker 1>in March, there was a lot of conversation going on,

0:34:35.680 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of rumors were swirling around and that encouraged

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 1>children who may have been abused to talk about it

0:34:44.200 --> 0:34:49.759
<v Speaker 1>among themselves at least. And if you think about Douglas County, well,

0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Douglas County is a small place, so a lot of

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 1>people began hearing about these things. All of those things,

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:02.239
<v Speaker 1>taken together, contributed to an environment in which, in the spring,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of board members started saying, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>see an audit, We need to see what's going on

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 1>with the money. Things that they had ignored about the

0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>money began to become of interest to them. With a

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.920
<v Speaker 1>murder and suicide both connected to an awake. Within a

0:35:19.960 --> 0:35:23.720
<v Speaker 1>few years time, law enforcement began to take a closer

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:27.359
<v Speaker 1>look at in awake. What they would find out would

0:35:27.400 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 1>go far beyond what they ever could have imagined. Law

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>enforcement became aware in Douglas County of the abuse. Once

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 1>that happened, then the genie was out of the bottle.

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 1>There was no way that it was going to become

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<v Speaker 1>anything other than what it became. Once Sheriff Eli knew

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>about it, that was the end. Former d A. Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Winn says that he and his assistant David McDade had

0:35:55.960 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 1>begun to hear complaints about in Awake for some time,

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 1>and had even begun to keep a file of said complaints.

0:36:03.760 --> 0:36:07.560
<v Speaker 1>One afternoon, he received a visit from Sarah Tillis. It

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.400
<v Speaker 1>seemed to confirm some of the suspicions when and Sheriff

0:36:11.440 --> 0:36:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Earl Lee had had m she believed that Petter had

0:36:17.480 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>been misleading her and the other board members, so it

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't just sexual. She gave me enough details that I

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>sat there to ten thirty with the lady that when

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 1>she walked in the office that morning, I would have

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 1>thought she was possibly a crazy lady. I had no

0:36:34.440 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>idea why somebody is just showing up to talk about anawake.

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:41.600
<v Speaker 1>But she wasn't crazy enough for me to refuse to

0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 1>talk to her, And she certainly immediately caught my attention,

0:36:45.239 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and I didn't feel like she's crazy at all after

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>I got talking to her. But I was there till

0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:55.960
<v Speaker 1>late that evening, and and so the investigation that actually

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>started was I talked to David McDade a little bit

0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>about some of the things that had bothered us. David

0:37:02.560 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>and I realized we had information that bothered us from

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:11.319
<v Speaker 1>multiple sources. Some of the sources would have been teachers,

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 1>some of it administration, uh some of its kids that

0:37:15.480 --> 0:37:21.200
<v Speaker 1>were at an awake and now we had a board member.

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>So we made the decision at that point that to

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:31.120
<v Speaker 1>ask early to start an investigation. And Earle always believed

0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>that Lewis better was something wasn't right. Earl started working

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:42.399
<v Speaker 1>so hard it was impossible for anybody to keep up

0:37:42.440 --> 0:37:47.520
<v Speaker 1>with him. An official criminal investigation and now begun to

0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>look into the inner workings of an Awaki and follow

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 1>up on the numerous complaints against the center. But Pedico's

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:58.600
<v Speaker 1>death would open the center to a financial audit from

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<v Speaker 1>the board, and fighting amongst the upper management was only

0:38:02.480 --> 0:38:06.520
<v Speaker 1>getting worse and soon they too would be answering to authorities.

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Petter's empire was beginning to fall apart at the seams,

0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and he was going to do everything he could to

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:25.240
<v Speaker 1>save himself along with it. Next time on camp held

0:38:25.719 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 1>in awaking. After Earle started talking to whoever the ones

0:38:32.680 --> 0:38:35.319
<v Speaker 1>were that he interviewed to start with, it was like

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 1>a snowball going downhill. It became overwhelming. His whole family

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.360
<v Speaker 1>was involved and not awaking. If it was something to

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:49.200
<v Speaker 1>do with the Petter family, the cooperation was minimal. We

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<v Speaker 1>had no way of knowing anything that was going on.

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:54.080
<v Speaker 1>We can't talk to our parents. For the most part,

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.120
<v Speaker 1>we were in this bubble. It wasn't long after that

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that I went down to meet Petters at They essentially

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:06.680
<v Speaker 1>wanted to videotape me denying everything anything sexual or inappropriate,

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:10.280
<v Speaker 1>or financial or anything. He calls me him, he said,

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