1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: The Big Bets on Campus Podcast podcast Poda. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 2: All right, here we go fifteen cuny twenty five, thirty 3 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: thirty five, forty forty five fifty and the kickers block 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: Look college football World stunner. 5 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, he stumble the football, the lateral turn, 6 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: the counter of the job. Don't you believe. 7 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 3: Tame them off the. 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 1: Field to night. 9 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 3: It's not the sage on the game anyth It's the 10 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: sage of the fight. Welcome to the Big Bets on 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 3: Campus Podcast. I'm your host, Mike Calvary's. This is the 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: Group of five Deep Dive. Well we're gonna notice right 13 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: away is that we are without my co pilot, Mike Ianello, 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: and unlike Notre Dame Football, he is forfeit his independence. 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: That's right. 16 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 3: He got married over the weekend, currently on his honeymoon, 17 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: and we wish him the best. Everyone here at the 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 3: Action Network family is very excited for you, Mike, and 19 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: really a perfect time to step out because at the 20 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: end of the month beginning of August, we're going to 21 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: get into in earnest the G five preview series. Every conference, 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 3: win totals, conference, you know, futures player props, everything under 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 3: the sun before the bolts start flying for real at 24 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 3: the end of August. We're going to have tons of 25 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 3: content for everyone who loves the pod, which opens up 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: a window of opportunity for us here in early I 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 3: should say, at this point mid July, we're here with 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 3: Matt Brown, the creator of Extra Points. You're going to 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 3: find out why in just a moment. Extra Points is 30 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: a daily news newsletter detailing all of the off the 31 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: field forces that shape college sports, from the FBS to 32 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: the NAIA and really Matt's the go to source for 33 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: realignment news, nil happenings, and last but not least, the 34 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 3: return of EA Sports NCAA football, which is near and 35 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 3: dear to my heart. Matt, thank you so much for 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 3: joining us. 37 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: Hey, it's a pleasure, happy to do it. 38 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 3: So let's just get right into it, because you have 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: been the tip of the spear, just breaking news left 40 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 3: and right about something that's you know, started. I believe 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 3: it was three or four years ago. They dusted off 42 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 3: an old Facebook group and they had a little EKG 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 3: and there was a blip on the monitor showing that 44 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 3: there was signs of life that the NCAA football series, 45 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: which had been dormant since twenty thirteen, the NCAA fourteen 46 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 3: being the last version that was on the PS three 47 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 3: and Xbox. Since then, it's been you know, hushed rumors 48 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 3: and unsubstantiated things that have been said. But you're really 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 3: the one in the foxhowl finding out what's true and 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 3: what's not. So let's start here. What do we know 51 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 3: about the game? You know, when is it slated to 52 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 3: come back, which schools are involved? And will the players 53 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: finally be getting a cut this time around? 54 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: A great question. So here is what I I know. 55 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: No at this point, right, So, the game is currently 56 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: scheduled to be released in July of twenty twenty three. 57 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: That's been the same development schedule that was told to 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: the schools way back in January of last year. Part 59 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: of the reason it takes so long is because all 60 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: of the technical infrastructure from the last game is outdated, 61 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: and building things for the PlayStation five, re rendering all 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: of these stadiums, rebuilding the sport from the ground up, 63 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: because college football has changed so much as a major 64 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 1: technical lifts. That's why the game. This is not a 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: system where you can literally just reskin mat it. We 66 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: know that right now, over one hundred and twenty FBS 67 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: schools have formally signed onto the game, although people at 68 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: both EA and with the licensing systems have told me 69 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: that they expect everybody at the FBS to ultimately participate. 70 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: The handful of holdouts are, you know, kind of squabbling 71 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: over licensing money, or they're holding out to make sure 72 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: that the athletes can actually be paid. But they're still 73 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: submitting stadium assets, they're still submitting audio assets, they're still participating. 74 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: They're just wanted to signal we're not in this unless X, 75 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: Y or Z happens on the players are going to 76 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: be in. Is one of the big fascinating questions because 77 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: this was, of course why the game went away in 78 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: the first place. Hea got sued, and he has always 79 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: wanted to include actual player likenesses, but of course pre 80 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: nil do that without athletes losing their eligibility. We can 81 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: do that now, and so the question is not legal 82 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: so much as it is logistical, because there's not a 83 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: players union or a centralized body to negotiate and sign 84 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: all of these rights at once. What I have been 85 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: told from people within the licensing industry and people that 86 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: work at the high level with many of these schools 87 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: is that there's a lot of optimism that the framework 88 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: for that deal could be released as early as this summer. 89 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: There's a couple of companies that have already set up 90 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: group licensing deals at the campus level, and the hope 91 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: is we're going to announce this way before the game 92 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: actually comes out, to give players an opportunity to opt 93 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: in and be a part of the game. We know 94 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: that in the unlikely event that that doesn't happen, you're 95 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: not going to be able to customize rosters, but you're 96 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,719 Speaker 1: not going to be able to go on Operation Sports 97 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: and download everything, which would be a big step back. 98 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, again wants to make sure that they don't 99 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: get sued. Having said that, again, everybody that I am 100 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: talking to expects players to be paid and then you 101 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,039 Speaker 1: will have that kind of roster customized ability. We don't 102 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: know a whole lot about gameplay, but we do. You 103 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: know what schools are giving EA to get ready to 104 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 1: participate in the game. We know about the process to 105 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 1: photograph and render a stadium. We know that the new 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: FBS teams like Sam Houston and James Madison will be 107 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: in this game. We have an idea for what schools 108 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: are submitting to make the game day experiences as authentic 109 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: as possible. So not just fight songs, but hey, if 110 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: we play the Law and Order sound every time somebody 111 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: gets dinged for a penalty, we want the stadium to 112 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: be able to play that. If you are playing Metallica 113 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: before the game, right, if you're Virginia Tech, like, we're 114 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: going to make the steps needed to make sure that 115 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: that's properly represented. My hope is as we get closer 116 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: to the game and EA is actually ready to talk 117 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,159 Speaker 1: a little bit more about gameplay, but they'll share some 118 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: of those specifics with me. 119 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: I like the idea that the Jerry Orback Family Foundation 120 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 3: is potentially one final sticking point where it's like, we 121 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 3: want to make sure we're getting cut as well. If 122 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: you're using that one and order original music. 123 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: People who work in watch stores sell pieces out the back. 124 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,600 Speaker 2: He said he found the guy could get him platinum 125 00:05:58,640 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 2: patch Philips. 126 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: Those babies are one hundred grand of FOP retail. I'd 127 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: rather be late. 128 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: A quick question here in terms of how you go about, 129 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 3: you know, gaining this information. Is it as simple as 130 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 3: you know, calling or emailing EA sports in the schools individually? 131 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 3: You know, just hammering the phones and going through that 132 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,679 Speaker 3: grind or is this more a little bit more cloak 133 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 3: and dag or where you're having to price some this 134 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 3: information out with freedom of information requests. 135 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: It's in the beginning, it was mostly the latter, and 136 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: that's part of what makes this particular video game project 137 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: unique because typically Gigantic Triple A publishers are very hesitant 138 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: to share development information and you know, we don't, you know, 139 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't know what's going to be an 140 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: NBA two K until a couple of weeks before NBA 141 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: two K comes out. There's like there's a specific PR strategy. 142 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: But when you're working with public universities, that means a 143 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: lot of that communication is an open record, which means 144 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: nose of your reporters like me can file a bunch 145 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: of open records requests. And because my my typical beat 146 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: is to talk all the time about people that work 147 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: in licensing, that work on the business side, to work 148 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: with administration, I knew who to reach out to, Like 149 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: I knew which athletic director is actually part of these 150 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: kinds of conversations. So I've broken a lot of these 151 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: stories with Foila, and now that you know, as as 152 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: arrogant as this sounds like, now that it's kind of 153 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: established that this is part of the Extra Points beat 154 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: and you've been doing this for a year and a half, 155 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: and some of these schools, see, hey, it turns out 156 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: if I talk to Matt Brown about photographing our stadium 157 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: and showing some of those assets, our fans get excited. 158 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: Maybe I should just talk to Matt or I should 159 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 1: I should talk to my local beat writer about this. 160 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: So for the audio assets, I filed open records, I've 161 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: paid the fees. But for some of these schools, I 162 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: just call them up. You know, BYU is a private school, 163 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: they don't have to they don't have to tell me anything. 164 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: I just asked their licensing director, you know, pretty please 165 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: you want to tell me? He goes, sure, I should 166 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: be able to have this information at Stanford and TCU 167 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: and a couple other private schools just because they want 168 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: to talk about it now. So it's it's it's it's 169 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: a little bit of both. I do have people at 170 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: EA that I talked to that I don't want to 171 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: I don't want to blow up their spot. I'm not 172 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: going through their PR department because if I just email, 173 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: you know, and say, ham report you want to talk 174 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: about this, They're gonna tell me to kick rocks. I've 175 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: got a couple of people on the inside, so you 176 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: kind of tipped your hand a little bit in terms 177 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: of there's the fight songs, there's the marching band, but 178 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: there also potentially could be the chance And this is 179 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: just purely as a fan of the video game. 180 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 3: Are we talking about like neck LSU style? Like how 181 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 3: deep in the weeds are you getting and you know, 182 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 3: unearthing some of these hidden gems. 183 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 1: No, it's it's funny you mentioned that, right. I've called 184 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: LSU twice. I filed the foiler. Listen, we know what 185 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: this game is not going to get M rating. So 186 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: are we going to get the authentic neck experience? Like? 187 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Probably not. I joked about this. I'm like, listen, are 188 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: we get a drunk guy like demanding the play neck 189 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: and then maybe an administrator saying no, we don't want that. 190 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: Sec Fine, right, you kind of go get made up? 191 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: Probably not. When LSU tells me one way or the other, 192 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: I promise I'll share with the internet. If not me, 193 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: I hope LSU tell somebody. But there are less profane 194 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: student chants right, like as Sam Houston game, which many 195 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: of you probably haven't watched it because there were an fcs. 196 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:58,319 Speaker 1: You go one side of the stadium that yell Sam 197 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: and the other side of the stadium the els Houston 198 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: at big gay moments. That's going to be in the game. 199 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 1: If you have fans that are chanting something that's maybe 200 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: a little bit less r rated, like will that be 201 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: in the game. I feel pretty confident that, like the 202 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: go to Ohio State game and you're the Ohio going 203 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 1: around Ohio Stadium, that's probably going to be a thing. 204 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: My hope is that we get really in the weeds here, 205 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: like I've seen the forms I've seen, like the disclosure forms. 206 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: You're like, listen, you got to give us an audio asset. 207 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: You got to tell us the cadence for this chant. 208 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: You got to give us the full text because we 209 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: want to really replicate it. That's how seriously they're taking it. 210 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 3: It's interesting you bring up, you know, replicating So it's 211 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: not necessarily as easy as just capturing audio at the 212 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 3: game or a telecast. It could be in some cases 213 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 3: for fidelity reasons. I would imagine our producer Mac could 214 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 3: probably get into this better than I could. But you 215 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 3: can't just rip any audio dot wavefile. That's probably not 216 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 3: going to cut it, right. 217 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: That's exactly it. So some of that is happening, right, 218 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: many of these schools are sitting down with their marching 219 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: band or more accurately, did this couple of months ago 220 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: and ask them to record different you know, different songs, 221 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: different clips, different chants. There are audio fidelity issues, and 222 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: there's also you know, the EA and the schools are 223 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: trying to get the most information about when it happens 224 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 1: so they can make the most authentic experience. Right. If 225 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: you're at an Oklahoma game hearing Boomer sooner, like literally 226 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: every seven seconds, regardless of what's happening on the field, 227 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: that's a pretty authentic experience, right. Or like the USC 228 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: marching band, they know one song, so you're gonna hear 229 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: that again and again and again. But that's not the 230 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: same way. It is that every at every school. Maybe 231 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: there's there's a particular chant that only happens late in 232 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: the game or when if you've thrown for three hundred 233 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,079 Speaker 1: yards or if it's close, and you don't want those 234 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 1: things to pop up in game game situations where it 235 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: doesn't make sense, and that's something that they're trying to 236 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: improve upon here. And I think they did a good 237 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 1: job with earlier games, but the PS five has so 238 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: much more computing power that you can save some more 239 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: of these assets and have more complicated logic to make 240 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: this as authentic as possible. 241 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 3: I'll give them a quick shout out to the College 242 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: Football Revamped organization. They went in and they through the 243 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 3: process of utilizing software you have to kind of jail 244 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: break your PS three or if you're using it on 245 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 3: you know, a Windows computer. They skin the game. They 246 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 3: put in different assets, new jerseys, new uniforms, in some cases, 247 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 3: updating stadiums. One thing that was interesting to me they 248 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: actually went as far as putting in official sponsors. So 249 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: when you fire up the game just out of the box, 250 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 3: instead of it being Coca Cola, it's some kind of 251 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: generic soda brand and they'll have that at a particular stadium. 252 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: Have you heard any brands getting more involved, because that 253 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 3: was something that to me is like, am I going 254 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: to see publics on the scoreboard at Auburn or South 255 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 3: Carolina as opposed to a Kroger or something like that. 256 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: In the Midwest. This is It's funny you ask that, 257 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: because this is actually something I'm literally trying to work 258 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: on right now. This came up when I was talking 259 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: with Sam Houston. They're like, look, we kind of struggle 260 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: with this because at our school, you know, we we license, 261 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: we sell some of those audio assets, right, like this 262 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: is a first financial, first down or something right, And 263 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: they're like, well, if we send that to EA, we 264 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: charge first financial more does EA is in earlier games? 265 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 3: Right? 266 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: You had Nissan that didn't deal with EAS, so like 267 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: Nissan's at every stadium? Is that something EA is doing? 268 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: And I've reached out to Learfield, and I've reached out 269 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: to a couple of licensing directors, and the best I 270 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: understand right now is it's unclear because these kind of 271 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: digital assets haven't been part of the multi media right 272 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: sales portfolio for the last decade, so a lot of 273 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: the schools haven't really thought about it yet. My gut, 274 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: given that we're dealing with EA, I think it is 275 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: more likely that you're going to see Coke and a 276 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: couple of Triple A brands be with everything. But it 277 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: would be it would be fun and it would add 278 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: to the realism if it was actually this is the 279 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:42,839 Speaker 1: biggest guy Coke you know, and agents in Huntsville, Texas 280 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: and you can see like his little thing there and 281 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: and uh, that's possible. I was talking about somebody at 282 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: Boise State actually that was telling me. Like one of 283 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: the old PS two versions of the game, one of 284 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: the major partners for Boise State at the time was 285 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: like a prefab manufactured home company and they put like 286 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: they may moved like a prefab shed or something like 287 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: on the sidelines or I do remember this, Yeah, and 288 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: that was in the game, and you know that's technically 289 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: like a brand extension here. So these are these are 290 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: the questions that that everyone's kind of navigating through. And 291 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: that's a big reason why some of these schools aren't 292 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: calling me back immediately because it's actually like I'm not 293 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: trying to be cag I literally have to talk to 294 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: my attorney. 295 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 3: So you brought up earlier the PR department for EA Sports. 296 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 3: You know, they're not necessarily the most fruitful conversations you 297 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: can have because either they're telling you to kick rocks 298 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 3: or potentially they're being vague just to build buzz but 299 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: not get you know, commitments to functionality or features. 300 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: But I do remember in all the. 301 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 3: Years playing, whether it was the NHL Series or Madden 302 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 3: or NBA Live, every once in a while they tout like, Oh, 303 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,560 Speaker 3: we brought in this coach or this analyst and they 304 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 3: helped us fix this element of the game. Is there 305 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 3: anything related coaching or analytics wise to the x's and o's. 306 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: I may be. 307 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 3: Remembering it incorrectly, but I think at one point they 308 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: talked about the read option and that they at least 309 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: have consulted offensive you know, coaches as to getting it 310 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 3: just right, that kind of stuff. Any of that chatter 311 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 3: going on in any of the documents that you've reviewed. 312 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: Not in the documents that I've reviewed, but in conversations 313 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,599 Speaker 1: that I've had. So hopefully this doesn't give me the 314 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 1: trouble because I don't want to specify the exact names 315 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: because like that I think would give me in trouble. 316 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: But college football has changed enormously since the last game. 317 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: Part of that is you're right exactly on the field, 318 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Like the big innovation for the last NCAA game was 319 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: imploying the read option in a way that hadn't been 320 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: done before. Make it easier to figure out like who 321 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: in the defense are supposed to read and building out 322 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: that side of the playbook, and they had to talk 323 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: to a lot of coaches to do that. RPOs weren't 324 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: a thing or the last time we played this game. Now, 325 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: that's a foundational part of most college football offense. It's 326 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: the way we look at tempo. The way that defensive 327 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: positioning is set up now is very different. Like you know, 328 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: dyme is the base package for some of these programs now, 329 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: which wasn't really a thing. Also, recruiting, as you would 330 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: expect and a roster management has changed enormously. Nil was 331 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: not a thing. The transfer portal was not a thing. 332 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: Collectives were not a thing. Roster limits, sizes and changes 333 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: are going to be different. What I am comfortable sharing 334 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: is that EA is intimately aware that the sport has changed, 335 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: and they have reached out to some subject matter experts 336 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: both on the field and off the field to help 337 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: inform them about what changes to make. I also don't 338 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: mind saying this. I'm not one of those people. I 339 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: know who some of those people are, but like that 340 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: that that is something that has gone on here. I 341 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: can't promise you that like they're going to nail our pos. 342 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's it's a sports video game. 343 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm not on the development team. Do they know that 344 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: they can't just reskin Madden's like play engine? Yes, like that. 345 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: That has been made very clear to me. 346 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: This one. Hopefully I can break some news or you 347 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: can share some breaking news. Have any players or schools 348 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 3: been reached out to in regards to the cover art 349 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: for the release next summer? 350 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: That that? Unfortunately I don't know, and I've I've I've 351 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: looked into that too, and I imagine that's something that's 352 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 1: probably not going to appear in an open rect request. 353 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: It's fun because if there's a whole lot of really 354 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: fun ways you can you can do this right. You 355 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: can go and you can bring in a current athlete, 356 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: and I imagine EA might want to wait till after 357 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 1: this football season to see who makes the most sense there. 358 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: Since we've been we've we've missed a lot of years. 359 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: You could put in past Heisman winners. You can put 360 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: in a bunch of athletes that should have been on 361 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: the cover that never were, or you can take a 362 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: payt trematt and just put something that's not a player 363 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: at all. You know, one of the kind of things 364 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: that makes us hard to handicap is this is a 365 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: rebrand of the entire franchise. It's not NCAA football anymore. 366 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: It's EA Sports college football. So if they want to, 367 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: you know, make a clean break and rebrand this entire franchise, 368 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: maybe you don't use the same cover style or that 369 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: that you had done before. There's a lot of questions. 370 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: I don't think you could screw it up, but I 371 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: wish I could tell you that, oh no, c J. 372 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: Stroud is going to be on the cover. I don't 373 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: know that. 374 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: Before we get into a fun lightning round. Last question 375 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: here for you, in terms of your actual reporting on this, 376 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: was there anything that you were surprised by in your search, 377 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 3: either early on or in recent months where it was 378 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 3: a new feature of specific to the game, even just 379 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 3: perhaps a process that you found to be more convoluted 380 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: or streamlined than you thought going into it as released 381 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 3: to the video game. 382 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: One thing that I think I was a little surprised 383 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: by this, and maybe some fans might be. Schools don't 384 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: really make a ton of money from this thing. The 385 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: amount of money that you get from licensing your IPDA 386 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: is broken down into tiers and your tier is determined 387 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: by how often your team finished in the AP top 388 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: twenty five over the last decade. If you're in the 389 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: bottom tier, which hilariously would be like Nebraska and along 390 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: with a bunch of like Mountain West and Mac teams, 391 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: you get like ten thousand dollars. And if you're in 392 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: the top tier, it's like I want to say, it's 393 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifteen thousand. So that's clearly not nothing, 394 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: but it's not an enormous amount of money. The athletes 395 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: are I am going to set the expectation here, like, 396 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone other than maybe the cover athletes 397 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: making ten grand from this thing. Right, it's moved the 398 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 1: decimal point over a place or two plus a free 399 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: copy of the game. Schools are still thrilled to this 400 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: because of the enormous marketing value that they get, particularly 401 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: from a new generation of consumers that they're desperately trying 402 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: to engage because zoomers aren't buying season tickets at the time, 403 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 1: not going to the game at all, but they do 404 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: play video games, and so that you know, that's critical. 405 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: One thing that's going to be different, and the licensing 406 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 1: financial state with this game and really with the last one, 407 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: is DLC is going to be a bigger component. There 408 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: was an Ultimate Team mode in the last NCAA game, 409 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: but online play wasn't really ubiquitous. Like I remember when 410 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: I got it, I had an Xbox three sixty I 411 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: didn't have I didn't have Wi Fi capability in it. 412 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: You had to buy one of those external dongles, and 413 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't It was something that I as a consumer 414 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: barely did now at every single game. So I mean, 415 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 1: I I don't I want to, I don't want to 416 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: break this specific thing, but I want to set the expectation. 417 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: Could there be FCS teams available as a DLC, you know, 418 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: roster patch in the future that aren't available at launch? Yeah? 419 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: Could there be a football player that blows up at 420 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: Week three and you can pay a little bit of 421 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: extra money in the auction has to add him to 422 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: your Ultimate Team and that guy gets a cut from 423 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: EA for his additional likeness. Yeah, that's the thing that 424 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: can happen. That kind of happened with NBA two K 425 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: this year with Poncho being in Ultimate Team while he 426 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: was literally at Duke and got money for it. And 427 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: the schools might get additional money for preparing in some 428 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: of those things here too, So I don't necessarily know 429 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: how consumer friendly that might be. Kind of depends whether 430 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: you're more of a dynasty or an ultimate team mode guy, 431 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: but that does add a new wrinkle to the financial 432 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: side of this whole equation. 433 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 3: All right, Time for the fun stuff. The lightning rounds 434 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 3: you as an EA sports player, not necessarily as one 435 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 3: who is reporting on it. So the Pauls in the 436 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: NCAA series you mentioned this earlier. It deprived us, deprived 437 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,919 Speaker 3: us of playing with a whole host of superstars, you know, 438 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, Christian McCaffrey, Saquon Barkley, Joe Burrow. 439 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,159 Speaker 1: Who would you have loved to have played. 440 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 3: With from the video game lists era this drought of 441 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 3: almost ten years now? 442 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: And I probably either Lamar Jackson or Johnny Manziel. And 443 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: part of that is because I, as a Dome reporter, 444 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: you know, and somebody who hadn't really played competitive football 445 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: since like eighth grade, I'm not super great at reading defenses. 446 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: And so the you know, the thing that's easy to 447 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: do in the in the college games that you suck 448 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: at this and you miss your first read is just 449 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: roll out of the pocket and sprint right and so. 450 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: And in college football video games, you love having a 451 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: mobile quarterback so where you can rush for seventy five 452 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: yards and open things up. And you know, those two 453 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: were some of the best to ever do, especially Lamar 454 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: because you know Lamar was a better passer. You know 455 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: as well, there are a couple of guys that you 456 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: watched just think like, that's a really good video game player. 457 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 1: Christian McAffrey would have been a really good video game player. 458 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: Justin fields. I think would have been a really really 459 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: good video game player. And there's going to be some 460 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, some Mac or some Mountain West guys, but 461 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: but certainly that that whole Louisville offense would have been 462 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 1: really fun to play in the on a PlayStation. 463 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree on the Christian McCaffrey answer, But this 464 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: is the group of five deep dives. So I got 465 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 3: to give some love to a group of five player. 466 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 3: I'm going to go Marcus Jones. Last year from Houston, 467 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 3: he won the Paul Horning Ard as the most versatile 468 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 3: player in college football. And I love the guys that 469 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: you could put on defense, special teams, and I think 470 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 3: he caught like six or seven passes last year, at 471 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: least in September for Houston. So being able to use 472 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 3: a player all over the field was always really cool. 473 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 3: I found that to be exciting, you know, kind of 474 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,639 Speaker 3: messing with the depth charts. I was always in the rosters, editing, tweaking, 475 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: putting the right accessories on advisors and all that kind 476 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: of stuff. Second question for you here as it relates 477 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 3: to being on the sticks quote unquote, Yeah, what was 478 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: your proudest moment as an NCAA football video game player? 479 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny. Being proud in retrospect is probably not 480 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: the word I want to use to patch this, given 481 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: all the things I could I mean, I spent a 482 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: lot of time in college staying in my apartment or 483 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: in our dorms, but I could have been doing things 484 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 1: like talking to girls or going to class that I 485 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: spent you know, playing with Hawaii and like you're thirty 486 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 1: seven of my Dynasty, you know, I mean, and those 487 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: are those are the things. The proudest moment, I think, 488 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: honestly would be like the one time I managed to 489 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: block a field goal. And I've been playing this game 490 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: since it was on the PlayStation one. I think I 491 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: think Dante Culpeper was like always on my team, you know, 492 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: up till it ended. I've done it once, but I 493 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: remember screaming and running around the apartment and acting like 494 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: I had just done some amazing thing. And I mean 495 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 1: it was probably like two thousand and nine, maybe, Yeah, 496 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: I've had that exact moment where you know, you kind 497 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: of silently scream. At least me, I got two little 498 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: ones in the house, so I'm like, where do what? 499 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: What do I do with all this emotion and something 500 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 1: that my wife is certainly not going to care about. 501 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,240 Speaker 1: I'm not going to wake her up and let her 502 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,880 Speaker 1: know that I just blocked a potential game winning field goal. 503 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: I would say for mine, this goes back probably the 504 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,879 Speaker 3: two thousand and six version of the game, which a 505 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 3: lot of people argue. 506 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 1: Was the best ever. 507 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,840 Speaker 3: I had this heated rivalry with one of my friends 508 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 3: from high school. He also had a little brother who 509 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 3: played the game, and the three of us played it religiously, 510 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 3: and we were in this kind of rotating tournament and 511 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 3: Wyoming at the time was one of the better Wyoming 512 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 3: teams in program history. Javon bow Knight was the wide receiver. 513 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 3: I remember him he's now the I think passing game 514 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 3: coordinat at Marshall. He's grown up into the coaching ranks. 515 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: But he had like fifteen catches for me in a 516 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 3: triple overtime game, one on a diving interception in the 517 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 3: end zone. And if my friend Brian's ever having a 518 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: really good day, I'll just text him that just to 519 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 3: bring him down from cloud nine, just to remember that 520 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 3: he lost the game of the century quote unquote. And 521 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 3: that's what I loved about the EA series. A game 522 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 3: between New Mexico and Wyoming was just as compelling to 523 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,640 Speaker 3: us as the Iron Bowl. Didn't necessarily need to have 524 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 3: the stakes or the blimp above the stadium, you know, 525 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 3: to have it be really fun. 526 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: I think if you didn't get really emotionally invested in 527 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: playing as some kind of G five program or in 528 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: the G five rivalries or stadium experiences, and you missed 529 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,959 Speaker 1: out on the best parts of this game. If we 530 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,919 Speaker 1: took all of the people that played dynasties with Wyoming 531 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: or Hawaii or Kent State or New Mexico State and 532 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: built them into powers and made them buy season tickets, 533 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: these schools would all be able to move up another 534 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: conference like that's what everybody was doing, and that was fun. 535 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: That gives you a chance to see what a stadium 536 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 1: is like that you probably want to have visit in 537 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: real life. 538 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you could draw a direct line from 539 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 3: me receiving NCAA football or at the time it was 540 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 3: called College Football USA ninety six back in the system 541 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 3: for the SEGA drawing a direct line from that to 542 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 3: me being the co host of the group of five 543 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 3: deep dives, because that was an opportunity to get into 544 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: all those teams that I had never heard of, even 545 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 3: though it was just the player numbers, you know, getting 546 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 3: out the newspaper, trying to figure out who was who. 547 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: It was an exciting tign. 548 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: I mean and shoot, even for the SEGA game, I 549 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: feel like they didn't even always have all the actual 550 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 1: school names right, you're playing as like State College or 551 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: like Columbus because they didn't get all of the IP rights. 552 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: But what you are describing to put on a serious 553 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: professional journalist tat here for a minute is exactly why 554 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: so many schools have been pushing to bring this thing 555 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: back and why they're so thrilled about it because they 556 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: recognize this is a chance to build awareness in a 557 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: way that they're literally never able to do before. Like 558 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: the example that I give is, you know, I grew 559 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 1: up outside of Columbus, Ohio, and I didn't know a 560 00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: whole lot of people in my community that went to HBCUs. 561 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: That's not really a big thing in Ohio. And I 562 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: didn't know what Florida A and M was. I didn't 563 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: know what Morgan State was until honestly playing this game 564 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: and within a couple of years when you had FCS 565 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: teams and to go and that now you actually get 566 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: to see some of these things, and I sticks in 567 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,360 Speaker 1: the back of your mind. A couple years later when 568 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: you see them in the news and you begin your 569 00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: world expands a little bit and you know more people 570 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 1: you know and here I am now dedicating my life 571 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: to writing about mid major and low major programs and 572 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: have grambling stuff here and then in the back of 573 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: my wall, this is what schools are hoping for. You 574 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: can't buy that kind of exposure. And as trite or 575 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: as silly as it sounds, the video game and I 576 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: would imagine accompanying mobile games that will probably come out 577 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: of this later, we're going to play a big role 578 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: in that. 579 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: So extra points MB dot com is where people can 580 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 3: find your newsletter and subscribe. Where else can we find 581 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 3: you out in the wild and opportunity to plug all 582 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 3: the amazing work that you're doing. You're really doing the 583 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 3: Lord's work here as we get closer and closer to 584 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: release date in twenty twenty three. 585 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate that you can find me at Twitter at 586 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: Matt Brown EP or you can shoot me an email 587 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: at Matt at Extra Points MB dot com. I do 588 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: write about this game a lot, but I also write 589 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: about conference real alignment and NIL and university finances and 590 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: research that's happening in sports management. That's what's going to 591 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: be a couple of the stories later on this week 592 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: at Extra Points. So if you want to figure out 593 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 1: all the back end stuff that helps shape with your 594 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: team's going to be good or not on Saturday, I 595 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,639 Speaker 1: think you'd enjoy Extra Points for. 596 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 3: Matt Brown on Mike Calbary's This has been the group 597 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,959 Speaker 3: of five deep Dive under the Big Bets on Campus banner. 598 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: If you are excited about our preseason content, I know 599 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 3: that I am. Your long wait is almost over. Our 600 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 3: beloved series with Colin Stuckey and Brett McMurphy is back 601 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 3: at the end of the month. We're going to get 602 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 3: into every conference, every team, breaking it down so you 603 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 3: have all the tools you need to start the season hot, 604 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 3: stay in the black, have a happy September financially, that's 605 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: what we're here for. Thanks so much for listening.