WEBVTT - Cooper Kupp

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard, like we have to prepare ourselves. Like we

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<v Speaker 1>get together, we say, hey, we're gonna we need to

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<v Speaker 1>pray before we head into this. How much this episode

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<v Speaker 1>because it hurts our heart. It hurts our heart watching

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<v Speaker 1>what Michael Michael did to those four kids, But the

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<v Speaker 1>episode all the other is so good. My name is

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper Cup and I'm five foot four and one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and nineteen pounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, everybody, if you're listening to me right now, you

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<v Speaker 2>already know where you are. You are off the beat

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<v Speaker 2>with your host. Yours truly, Brian Baumgartner. My guest today

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<v Speaker 2>none other than the La Rams wide receiver Cooper Cup. Cooper,

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<v Speaker 2>a true underdog story, was not even recruited to a

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<v Speaker 2>Division one college out of high school, but his accomplishments

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<v Speaker 2>now are numerous. After being a two sport athlete in

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<v Speaker 2>football and basketball in high school, he went to Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>Washington University. He was the first freshman wide receiver to

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<v Speaker 2>be named to a first team All Americans since Randy

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<v Speaker 2>Moss in the nineties, and he is still currently the

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<v Speaker 2>NCAA Division One leader in receptions, receiving yards, and receiving touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all before he became pro now. Since joining the

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<v Speaker 2>Rams after being drafted in the third round of twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>he has played his way to two Super Bowls, won

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<v Speaker 2>one ring, and was even named the Super Bowl MVP

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty because well, yeah, he's a very valuable player,

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<v Speaker 2>the most valuable, some would say, I'm going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>to him about growing up in a legacy football family,

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<v Speaker 2>making his own way in the league, and now starting

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<v Speaker 2>his own coffee company. What's that you say, coffee? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's find out here. He is the man with the

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<v Speaker 2>beard Cooper cup.

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<v Speaker 3>Bubble and squeak. I love it, bubble and squeak.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>Bubble and squeak.

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<v Speaker 1>I cook it every mole, lift over from the ninety before.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well, well, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 1>It's great? Oh yeah, I expecting you to hit me

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<v Speaker 1>with Uh that's three wells.

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<v Speaker 3>That's three wells. I didn't do six.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 3>Where are you right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm home. I'm home. We just had a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of tough time getting home. Yeah, at home in La.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first off, thank you for joining me. I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a big fan of yours. You know you remind because

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<v Speaker 2>because you remind me of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I get that. I've heard that a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean the way that you run, route, your speed,

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<v Speaker 2>your agility, the way you cut. I really it reminds

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<v Speaker 2>me of me. So I appreciate your game very much,

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<v Speaker 2>very much. How's a golf game?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the golf game. The golf game is a

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<v Speaker 1>work in progress. Yeah, it's like anything else. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't played since we've had kids. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a six year old to three year old and

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<v Speaker 1>a one year old or soon to be six year old.

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<v Speaker 1>And since we've got kids, golfing, I just don't get

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<v Speaker 1>out as much. But right, you know, it's a fun game.

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<v Speaker 3>Just know this. I there. I could take you there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about a lot of other places, but

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<v Speaker 2>there I got you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I was. I was with you in Tahoe

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<v Speaker 1>back in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was the COVID year, right, Yes, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there. I honestly I saw you sitting on

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<v Speaker 1>the patio eating. I'm like, oh, I've got to go

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<v Speaker 1>say hi. I just couldn't get myself to get up

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<v Speaker 1>and get up and go do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't worth you standing up for us. What you're

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<v Speaker 3>saying right now.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was like, I just want to interrupt his lunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh how did you play that? Did you? How did

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<v Speaker 1>you play it? Tahoe?

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<v Speaker 3>That year was my best year ever, So maybe your

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<v Speaker 3>presence helped me.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, yeah, who knows, I could have thrown you

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<v Speaker 1>off your game.

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<v Speaker 3>I was top third that year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and yeah, and I you know, I looked

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<v Speaker 2>it up because I remembered you being there and and

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<v Speaker 2>yeah I beat you.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's really all that matters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great, and I anticipate that. I also played

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<v Speaker 1>my best golf there. So did you Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I usually don't.

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<v Speaker 1>This is my thought. Well, because I you that year,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no one, no fans, no one was around.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Going into that year. When I first got the invite,

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<v Speaker 1>I told my wife, I'm like, if I'm on the

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<v Speaker 1>tea box and I pulled my driver out, I could

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<v Speaker 1>kill somebody. I hit the ball hard. Like my issue

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<v Speaker 1>isn't contact, Like I can make good contact, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>directionally things. I have great control over where things going.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean I totally am like there's there's a chance,

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<v Speaker 1>like if I put my driver out. It was on

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<v Speaker 1>these part five I've got clear this like for lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>and tear things out because there's there could be some problems.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well we're uh, we're we are uh less than

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<v Speaker 2>a week away.

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<v Speaker 3>To this year. Are you are you going to grace

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<v Speaker 3>us with your presence this year? No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I couldn't do it. We had my son's birthdays,

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<v Speaker 1>uh July third, and so we're gonna we're gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>a little lake trip. That would be our summer break.

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<v Speaker 3>Nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and I know I know you're about to start

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<v Speaker 2>back to work, and uh, we will we will talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that. But your story, I'm telling you, man, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It is one interesting and two inspiring. It really is.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to go back. This is actually crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Only five families have had three generations of of of

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<v Speaker 2>folks selected in in the NFL draft. You one of

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<v Speaker 2>those families. Your grandfather Jake and your father Craig both

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<v Speaker 2>drafted played in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh. You grew up in what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yakima, Yakima, Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>Yakima nailed it, nailed it, I you know, famously it

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<v Speaker 2>is the Palm Springs of Washington. I'm told that that's

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<v Speaker 2>what that's what the sign said as Anyway, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 2>now you you.

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<v Speaker 3>Live in l A. Have you been to Palm Springs.

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<v Speaker 1>I've actually not even been to Palm I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>was just thinking, you don't have to go to the Palms.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the Palm Springs of Washington my entire life.

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<v Speaker 1>I just like the Palm Springs will just be let down.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was gonna ask you if you thought they

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<v Speaker 2>were the same. I'm guessing they're.

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<v Speaker 1>Not, because it's so much better.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're well, I hey, listen, but I have never

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<v Speaker 2>I have never been to Yakima. Uh so I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say which is better. I'm just guessing that they're that

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<v Speaker 2>they're different.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, you need to make a trip up to up

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<v Speaker 1>to Ya, up to this great state of Washington. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all through there if you like, if you like beer,

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<v Speaker 1>if you like wine, there's some great great beer and wine,

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<v Speaker 1>really good restaurants. I'll give you all the good restaurant recommendations. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Hamburgers people there will point you a certain direction. But

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<v Speaker 1>I've got the inside scoop on where you were?

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<v Speaker 3>You got the inside scoop? Now, is this near a

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<v Speaker 3>little place called the Homish.

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<v Speaker 1>Well Snow Homish is like over on the past. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you do in?

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<v Speaker 2>I have some family in Snowholmish, And really what I

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<v Speaker 2>love most about Snowhomish is saying Snowhomish. I really I

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<v Speaker 2>really like the name of Snowhomish. I what was it

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<v Speaker 2>like growing up there? So you love it there in Washington?

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<v Speaker 1>I have no complaints about growing up there. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that was home. You know, It's it's so many of

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<v Speaker 1>the people there invested a lot in me growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of the coaches and just the friends I

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<v Speaker 1>had there. So I've got you know, I obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>I know that place. I know Yakima, I know the

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<v Speaker 1>people there. I'm not sure that you know where what's

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<v Speaker 1>right for me and my family and where we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be. I'm not sure, but but yeah, certainly have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of respect for for having grown up there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Are you do you enjoy Los Angeles? I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I do enjoy a lot of Angels. We're on the suburbs,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, we're in We're in in the valley

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<v Speaker 1>basically where practice facility and everything that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm not like, what's your address?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, uh, I just want too busy. I like

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle growing up, Seattle was too busy for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't like things get too too much. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>nice out here.

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<v Speaker 2>What was football, given that your grandfather played, that your

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<v Speaker 2>father played, Was football a big part of your childhood?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so it was, I mean it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>never something that was pushed though. I mean, actually, my

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my grandpa will talk about his days playing

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<v Speaker 1>in the league and we ask him questions about it

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, and my dad didn't talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>as much, you know, so they did a pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>job of just being you know, dad and grandpa growing up.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was something that you know, I think anytime

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<v Speaker 1>as kids, as you know, as a faller now, when

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<v Speaker 1>you have shared passions with your kids, I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>just like doing those things where you both have a

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<v Speaker 1>passion for it. I think those things are just there's

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<v Speaker 1>more lesser, there's more meaning behind those those interactions and

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<v Speaker 1>those experiences when you're sharing them with your with your kids.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I think that was something that I grabbed onto.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed playing football. It's also something that I

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<v Speaker 1>know when I'm out throwing the ball with my dad,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, like we're both really enjoying doing this, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I do think that kind of just helped, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>push things along.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you had that shared experience that was something that

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<v Speaker 2>attracted you to it. Did you think as a child,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I want to do?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually when I was, I mean I can remember remember

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<v Speaker 1>vividly at nine years old, being like this is this

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<v Speaker 1>is it? My first time stepping on the field to

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<v Speaker 1>play football? And I had actually asked my dad. I

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<v Speaker 1>just saw my saw my future Pop Warner team practicing

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<v Speaker 1>out in the right field of my son of my

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<v Speaker 1>little brother's, you know, coach pitch game, and I went

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<v Speaker 1>out there and started watching, and it was like, da,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to play. I didn't even know there was

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<v Speaker 1>football going on, but like, why am I not playing?

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<v Speaker 1>And then you know, within the first practice, like man,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is it? This is what I want

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<v Speaker 1>to do. It was very clear from there, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what my goals were and what I wanted to pursue.

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<v Speaker 3>Freshman year of high school.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you well, I mean, I guess you're you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're basically the same size now. You were five to

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<v Speaker 2>four one nineteen pounds. It's weird that you haven't grown

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<v Speaker 2>since then. Your football team, your high school Davis High

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<v Speaker 2>School had only had two winning seasons in the last

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<v Speaker 2>in the previous forty years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>Before before, before you got there, did you think like

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<v Speaker 2>still when you started fresh like this is what you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do, and you were going to take this

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<v Speaker 2>team to the next level that had never won and

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<v Speaker 2>that you were going to you were going to continue

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<v Speaker 2>to play football this There was nothing that was stopping

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<v Speaker 2>you that. As a five foot four one nineteen freshman

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<v Speaker 2>in high school.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I figured they had done left losing in the

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<v Speaker 1>last forty years, that the tables had to turn at

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<v Speaker 1>some point and we were just going to hit it big. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we just had a good group of gods. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a good group of like friends that were all going

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<v Speaker 1>to the school. We kind of all decided together, like

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<v Speaker 1>let's just go there and turn things around. Let's just

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<v Speaker 1>try to be a part of the change. And so

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<v Speaker 1>it was a big group over two years of classes

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<v Speaker 1>that went to the school and tried to change things up.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, we our best year, we were you know,

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<v Speaker 1>six and four. I think we went to went to

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs one of those years and then got trounced,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely trounced, but well we did. I mean it was

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<v Speaker 1>that friend group though did end up in our senior

0:12:40.880 --> 0:12:44.079
<v Speaker 1>year we won state in basketball. We were you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a really fun, you know group to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to go through things with. And yeah, it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean actually that last year we had to play.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it's legal. I'm sure if people

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<v Speaker 1>would back. I think we played three football games in

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<v Speaker 1>a matter of like five days or something. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like a Saturday, we played a Saturday game in Oregon.

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<v Speaker 1>We played a tiebreaker game on like Monday or Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we played a playoff game on Thursday. So

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<v Speaker 1>by Thursday game, Thursday game, we was like it was done.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why you lost. This doesn't seem.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that is that is why actually should we audit?

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<v Speaker 3>Should we go back and audit this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what we do is we bring people back

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<v Speaker 1>and we replayed the game.

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<v Speaker 3>I get what you're doing now.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I see what you're doing being relatively small when

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<v Speaker 2>you started high school.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that that helps you in any way?

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>I've looked back on it now as such an incredible blessing.

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<v Speaker 1>There's so many guys that come in to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whoever's pop warm or eighth seventh, eighth, ninth grade, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're just bigger, faster, stronger than everyone just because that's

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<v Speaker 1>just how their bodies developed. No one's started working out yet,

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<v Speaker 1>no one's done anything, but that's just how their body

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<v Speaker 1>has developed. Those guys, I feel like they've like that's

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<v Speaker 1>all they know. Is like all I know is success

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<v Speaker 1>and winning and being faster and stronger than everyone else.

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<v Speaker 1>And me, I was the exact opposite. If I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the field, if I want to do anything,

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<v Speaker 1>I had to be technically and tactically so much better

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<v Speaker 1>than the guy across from you, because I was so

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<v Speaker 1>much slower, so much smaller, so much weaker. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you said relatively small, which I was just small, Like

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<v Speaker 1>there wasn't no relative about how small it was. But

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<v Speaker 1>but eventually I was able to work and do all

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<v Speaker 1>this stuff, and I was able to you know, teach myself.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, this is how this is what you can win, stilly,

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<v Speaker 1>This is what takes to win when the when you're

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<v Speaker 1>at a disadvantaged situation like I'm this this DB's covered me,

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<v Speaker 1>But I know how to win because I know how

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<v Speaker 1>to work leverage better than he does, and then eventually

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<v Speaker 1>put in the time. You build these habits of building

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<v Speaker 1>up your body and studying the game, and eventually the

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<v Speaker 1>body does come and you are bigger and stronger and faster.

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<v Speaker 1>But those habits have continued on, and so I was

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<v Speaker 1>able to at an early age, I was forced into

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<v Speaker 1>developing the habits that would set me up for what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing now. And a lot of those guys, it

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<v Speaker 1>was it was a lot harder for them to set

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<v Speaker 1>up those habits because they had no you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>had no motivation to do it. R I had that

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<v Speaker 1>intrinsic motivation. I had to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you. It's fascinating to me. Did you?

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<v Speaker 2>Was that a conscious thought even at that age, like

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<v Speaker 2>that you had to work harder that you that you

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<v Speaker 2>had to figure out how to beat these people that

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<v Speaker 2>were bigger, faster, stronger, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it was a conversation I had with my dad

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<v Speaker 1>Actually on my way to basketball seventh grade, I wore

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<v Speaker 1>the little silicon bracelets everyone was wearing back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just had once set hard on it and

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<v Speaker 1>my dad was like, you know, you wear this every day,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want you to know, like, if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to do the things that you say you want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to work harder than every single person you're

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<v Speaker 1>on the field with, you're on the court with it

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<v Speaker 1>just what it's going to be. At this point, I

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<v Speaker 1>was already getting passed up by everyone, and you said,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what you want. It's going to take heart

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<v Speaker 1>and it's going to take a willingness to outwork every

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<v Speaker 1>single person you see if you want to pursue this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just decided on the way in the car

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<v Speaker 1>on that with Grats, just decided, I'm just not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get worked. I'm gonna find a way to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna believe that I can accomplish these things and

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<v Speaker 1>if I work hard enough, eventually those things will come

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<v Speaker 1>in alignment. And you know, still my freshman year, I was,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, hunder nineteen pounds. I had ankle weights

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<v Speaker 1>on under my jeans, so it was really one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen pounds. I had two pound ankle weights my genes.

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<v Speaker 1>But I believe. I remember telling my coaches like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to play running back at USC. Retchi Bush was

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<v Speaker 1>one of my favorite guys to watch, like I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna play Wow running back at USC and no one's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna tell me different. And you know, as like as

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<v Speaker 1>high school progressed, you know, obviously that became less and

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<v Speaker 1>less realistic, but the dream of still like, man, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'm not playing running back, I'm playing receiver, But like,

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<v Speaker 1>I still want to achieve these and I still want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to USC. I still want to play in

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<v Speaker 1>the Pac twelve and eventually playing in the NFL. Like

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<v Speaker 1>those things, those beliefs and those never changed.

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<v Speaker 3>That's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I do want to talk a minute again, because

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<v Speaker 2>you've talked about your diminished size. You played basketball, and

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<v Speaker 2>you said that humbly. However, in basketball senior year for

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<v Speaker 2>a state championship twenty three and two record. Fascinating story

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<v Speaker 2>that I heard was in in the playoffs, you played

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<v Speaker 2>against a guy by the name of Zach Levine, widely

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<v Speaker 2>considered to be the top high school recruit. Now I'm

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<v Speaker 2>told you held him to four points in the first

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<v Speaker 2>half and you guys just stomped him. All right, So

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<v Speaker 2>what did that?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that? Again? Was that a mindset for you about

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<v Speaker 3>working leverage even on the basketball court.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I was saying, you know, for basketball, I

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of the the defensive specialists. Okay, let's call

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<v Speaker 1>it that, which usually just means that you're not very

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<v Speaker 1>good offensively.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that you can't shoot as well as me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I've found something else I can do better than news.

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<v Speaker 2>I can shoot the.

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<v Speaker 1>I was My shot was always a problem because I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would lift all the way through basketball season

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<v Speaker 1>and coming out of football. I just when it just

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<v Speaker 1>was bad, it would just become a whole disa. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a disaster. It's like pulling a lawn chair kind

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<v Speaker 1>of situation. We're all back here and stuff. I just

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have I'm good now, So if we want to go,

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<v Speaker 1>if we want to sling up, okay, you know, gentleman's

0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:28.480
<v Speaker 1>handshake on it, all for it. But but yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>that game we were going up being Zach Lavine in

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<v Speaker 1>the quarterfinals of state, and you know, he's averaging thirty

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<v Speaker 1>something points a game, like we had. We we won state.

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<v Speaker 1>We dunked zero times that entire year. We had a

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<v Speaker 1>now single person dunked the basketball the entire year we

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<v Speaker 1>won state. We our tallest guy was like six to two,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just ran the floor, full court press, run

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<v Speaker 1>the floor and going to that game like okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>know I'm gonna match up with Zach, and I just figured,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he shot the ball. He was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was pulling up from so far beyond on the

0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.280
<v Speaker 1>three point line, and you go out there and garden

0:19:02.280 --> 0:19:04.080
<v Speaker 1>and then you drive and just jump over everyone. So

0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:05.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, well, I'm just gonna stand out there and

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<v Speaker 1>not let him shoot, make him drive, and we're just

0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna make him great help side defense. And I had

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<v Speaker 1>I did have some the guys did really good job

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<v Speaker 1>helping out. So I can't take all the credit that

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<v Speaker 1>I just made sure he wasn't shooting threes. And then

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<v Speaker 1>what I think I hel him to seven?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, for I remember it being seven before before.

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<v Speaker 3>We got pulled. Wow, can you dunk? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>You know I haven't tried in in a while. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just not worth it. I don't think I try. When

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<v Speaker 1>am I proven to anyone?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? All right? Can you me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I can't not even gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna pretend because if if somebody, if somebody asks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't you have no, no, there's no donkey, So we

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<v Speaker 2>can we can we can play, we can play horse

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<v Speaker 2>but no dunking.

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<v Speaker 3>No, yeah, we can do that up done, lay up.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course you finish high school. You had no scholarship

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<v Speaker 3>offers at that point, is that right? So are you

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<v Speaker 3>thinking when at that point you would you had said

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<v Speaker 3>what your goals were, that when you left the football

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<v Speaker 3>field your last game of high school, that you were

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<v Speaker 3>that you were done.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that was that was definitely the toughest time was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, stepping off the field after just like we

0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.320
<v Speaker 1>discussed getting trounce in the playoffs right by like forty

0:20:27.359 --> 0:20:29.960
<v Speaker 1>points and like, okay, well now I've got nothing on

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<v Speaker 1>the table, no guarantees of you know, playing anywhere. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's tough, But there's still I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's still this belief like, hey, we're going to find

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<v Speaker 1>a way to do it. You know, I was a

0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.240
<v Speaker 1>decent student in school and felt like I could get

0:20:43.320 --> 0:20:45.040
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was I would be able to get

0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 1>opportunities to go get into school and walk off. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to do that, Okay, but that that's that senior year.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I had Yale was the first school that

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<v Speaker 1>showed any interest.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I had.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking to their coach, coach Preston over and

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<v Speaker 1>over a weekly like, man, this seems like this is

0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:06.119
<v Speaker 1>going somewhere. First game, his dad, coach Preston's dad happened

0:21:06.119 --> 0:21:10.040
<v Speaker 1>to be at the game for whatever reason up in Eastmont,

0:21:10.359 --> 0:21:14.600
<v Speaker 1>w Nashi, and I've had you one hundred yards rushing,

0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:19.080
<v Speaker 1>one hundred yards receiving through a touchdown, Like he had

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<v Speaker 1>a great game, like all around, just was a really

0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:24.480
<v Speaker 1>solid game. And I thought, for sure, like he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hear about this game. His dad's here, like he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hear about this, and I'll get an opportunity from Yale.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just kind of like, you know, not not quite

0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.479
<v Speaker 1>solidified yet. And sure enough, he gives me a call

0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:36.960
<v Speaker 1>and say, hey, let's talk. Give me a call. It

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<v Speaker 1>lunch like Monday, after the game. So I get out,

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<v Speaker 1>I got my notepad out. I'm like, I'm gonna write

0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.200
<v Speaker 1>down all the details of what's going on here. I'm pumped.

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.280
<v Speaker 1>And I get this call and he's like, hey, you know,

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.680
<v Speaker 1>we're just not uh we we think we're gonna go

0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.600
<v Speaker 1>a different direction with our wide receiver recruitment. We think

0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:58.120
<v Speaker 1>we want to get like a smaller, quicker slot receiver.

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to let you know just we

0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.640
<v Speaker 1>were moving on basically. And that's how like my senior season,

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:05.480
<v Speaker 1>like I just played the best game of my life

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.359
<v Speaker 1>and lost the only interest I had from Wow, you know,

0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the only university of showing me any interest. So yeah,

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:14.439
<v Speaker 1>it was tough. But I I said, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you have come out of this car like you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>find a way to play. But not having anything solidified

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:20.040
<v Speaker 1>that that was tough.

0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:23.480
<v Speaker 2>When did when did bo Baldwin offer you a scholarship

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<v Speaker 2>at Eastern Washington?

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was probably middle of December. We're in there,

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know, it was it was a little

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<v Speaker 1>ways away, so you know, we end in November. It

0:22:34.640 --> 0:22:37.080
<v Speaker 1>was a few weeks. I don't stay. Actually ended up

0:22:37.080 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 1>being the first ones to come in. Eastern Washington said hey,

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 1>we're in order, we'll give you a half. I don't

0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.400
<v Speaker 1>State came in said we'll give you a full. Then

0:22:45.440 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Eastern called back and said we'll give you a full.

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<v Speaker 1>And those were my two offers and that ended up

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<v Speaker 1>happening December, you know, December, early January.

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.720
<v Speaker 3>Why did you decide to red shirt your first year?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when I got there, I had there were three

0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:02.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, all American receivers that were ahead of me,

0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:06.439
<v Speaker 1>and so you know I didn't. I took the approach like, well,

0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to compare myself anyone. I'm just gonna

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:09.639
<v Speaker 1>try to be the best me that I can be,

0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and whatever ends up happening, I'm gonna be okay with it.

0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.600
<v Speaker 1>At the end of that, you know, fall camp Merceerier

0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:17.080
<v Speaker 1>coach kind of asked me what I wanted to do.

0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.000
<v Speaker 1>They kind of left it in my hands a little

0:23:19.000 --> 0:23:21.119
<v Speaker 1>bit of what whether I wanted to or not. And

0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:22.960
<v Speaker 1>one of the All American receivers I was there, who

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:25.439
<v Speaker 1>ended up becoming my coach for the last two years

0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 1>while off my time at Eastern Washington was just like, hey,

0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:31.840
<v Speaker 1>I just think you it's best for you to red

0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.800
<v Speaker 1>shirt because you know his Mondy's like, I'm not coming

0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.440
<v Speaker 1>off the field. Brand Coffin's not coming out the field.

0:23:37.440 --> 0:23:40.280
<v Speaker 1>Greg Hurt's not coming off the field. Ashton Clark was

0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:42.199
<v Speaker 1>the other receiver who ended up being you know, my

0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.919
<v Speaker 1>running mate my first year playing, and it's I mean,

0:23:45.000 --> 0:23:46.680
<v Speaker 1>we had to have so many guys, it just makes

0:23:46.680 --> 0:23:49.480
<v Speaker 1>sense to take this year and and learn, and so

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.080
<v Speaker 1>so I did. But it was it was so valuable

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 1>it was. It was some of the best stuff I did.

0:23:54.359 --> 0:23:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I mean that that year, the growth that I had,

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.840
<v Speaker 1>you know, physically mentally, it was a very valuable thing.

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:22.920
<v Speaker 2>Your first college football game, you play in Corvallis, Oregon

0:24:23.000 --> 0:24:27.320
<v Speaker 2>against Oregon State. Some might call it the Cooper Cup

0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:31.800
<v Speaker 2>college football coming out party. You crushed it. One hundred

0:24:31.800 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and nineteen yards, two touchdowns. You guys beat Oregon State.

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:38.919
<v Speaker 2>How was that after sitting that year and working so

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:44.439
<v Speaker 2>hard to have that kind of game and to shock

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.399
<v Speaker 2>the world, if you will, and actually beat a ranked

0:24:47.400 --> 0:24:51.159
<v Speaker 2>team at a very difficult place to play.

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was.

0:24:52.359 --> 0:24:54.960
<v Speaker 1>That was really cool. I think, you know, I remember

0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:59.080
<v Speaker 1>walking out into you know, into the stadium and just wondering,

0:24:59.160 --> 0:25:01.679
<v Speaker 1>like thing myself, like, man, that first I knew what

0:25:01.680 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 1>the flate first play was gonna be. It was coming

0:25:03.359 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>to me. I'll hit her out into the boundary, and

0:25:05.760 --> 0:25:07.960
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know if I'm going to

0:25:08.200 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>run off the ball, like I might just freeze, Like

0:25:10.119 --> 0:25:14.520
<v Speaker 1>please don't freeze, Please don't like please just ling you out.

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:16.760
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I was. I was so nervous going into

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:19.440
<v Speaker 1>that game. And then once you start playing, it's like, hey,

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 1>once you run out the field for the first time.

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Every everything else just goes away, all the butterflies, everything

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:27.119
<v Speaker 1>is like, no, this is just the same game I've

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:28.680
<v Speaker 1>been playing my entire life, and you just go out

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>there and do what you've taught yourself to do over

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:33.080
<v Speaker 1>and over and over again, and you're you know, the

0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, subconscious takes over and you're just playing ball.

0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>So that was really fun, though I actually started tramping it.

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:40.879
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even play the second half of that game

0:25:41.160 --> 0:25:45.200
<v Speaker 1>because it was so hot and so wow. It was brutal,

0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:48.639
<v Speaker 1>So I have the entire second half. The team doctor

0:25:48.720 --> 0:25:50.960
<v Speaker 1>was trying to get an IV in my arm. I'm

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.119
<v Speaker 1>just I'm sitting up there in our locker room, blood

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:56.520
<v Speaker 1>streaming down both my arms because we can't get the

0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:58.359
<v Speaker 1>you can't get the IV set.

0:25:58.640 --> 0:25:59.879
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god. It was.

0:26:00.240 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was a disaster, but it was a it

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:05.080
<v Speaker 1>was It was a pretty cool experience though, just being

0:26:05.119 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>able to have some success there. And obviously Vernon Adams quarterback,

0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 1>had an unbelievable game, end up end up beating my

0:26:12.680 --> 0:26:15.919
<v Speaker 1>feature teammates Sean Manyon and Bran Cooks down there in Corbellis.

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not only an unbelievable game, an unbelievable season for

0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 2>you guys. Eight to Zerine Conference eleven and three. You

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:29.960
<v Speaker 2>win the Big Sky Title, you personally unanimous first team

0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:33.200
<v Speaker 2>All Big Sky Freshmen of the Year. You set FCS

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:38.919
<v Speaker 2>records for receptions, yards, touchdowns. You win the Jerry Rice Award. Basically,

0:26:39.000 --> 0:26:44.479
<v Speaker 2>you crush it. I crushed tacos and uh yeah, the

0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:47.040
<v Speaker 2>first freshman wide receiver to be named an All Americans

0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 2>since Randy Moss. I mean, as a you, no one

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:56.440
<v Speaker 2>offered you a scholarship. Yeah, and you you know you're

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:58.879
<v Speaker 2>still five to four and one nineteen if I have

0:26:59.000 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>that right at that time. I mean, this must be

0:27:04.200 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 2>so gratifying to you as a kid who I assume

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.840
<v Speaker 2>have been told one way or the other, at least passively,

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>know that this is not something that you're gonna do.

0:27:18.200 --> 0:27:21.080
<v Speaker 2>And you finish that freshman year and realize not only

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:26.840
<v Speaker 2>can you compete in conference at Eastern Washington, but make

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:29.639
<v Speaker 2>an impact and a name for yourself throughout all of

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 2>college football. Eventually, junior year, you win the Walter Payton Award.

0:27:35.520 --> 0:27:39.320
<v Speaker 2>Like this has got to be incredible for you. Yeah, yeah,

0:27:39.359 --> 0:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>it was.

0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:43.159
<v Speaker 1>I think the it's really hard for me to look

0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 1>back on things, especially in the present moment you finish

0:27:46.280 --> 0:27:49.239
<v Speaker 1>the season and try to reflect on what the season was.

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 1>I typically lean towards this mindset of being like, you know,

0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>that was, like what happened. There's so many things that

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.720
<v Speaker 1>have to go right, especially a receiver. There's so much

0:27:58.800 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>that has to happen before you even get a chance

0:28:01.080 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 1>to have the ball thrown your way. And even then

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you have to have done your job well enough to

0:28:05.960 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>be open to be in a position to make a play.

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:13.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think I everything they make the play. The

0:28:13.960 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 1>mindset I've taken every year is, you know, there's so

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>much luck inball, like you got lucky. You have to

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.639
<v Speaker 1>work harder to make sure that you can do this again,

0:28:21.800 --> 0:28:23.800
<v Speaker 1>that you like put yourself in, like give yourself a

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>better opportunity, because if if I can win every single time,

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.280
<v Speaker 1>then when all the other stuff comes together, and the

0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:32.879
<v Speaker 1>guys block up front, quarterback takes a good drop, makes

0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>a good read, the running back picks up his you know,

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:39.600
<v Speaker 1>his protection. If I'm open every single time, then we've

0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>got a chance. And you know, I've given myself a

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.840
<v Speaker 1>chance to go and make a play. And so that's

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:45.280
<v Speaker 1>been my mindset all the way through. It makes it

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>hard to ever feel like, uh, you look back and like,

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>oh man, I have done so much or have accomplished

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 1>so much. Account just feels like a there's more you

0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:56.480
<v Speaker 1>can do, There's more you can there's a there's better

0:28:56.520 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 1>out there as a player, you know, and that it

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>helps me keep that keep that perspective and keeps me

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:08.920
<v Speaker 1>from becoming complacent. And you know, I just don't love

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the I don't love being stagnant at all. Like the

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>stagnancy thing, like guys get so comfortable with what they've

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>done that they feel like that's enough, and that's never

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.680
<v Speaker 1>going to be my thing. And you touched on all

0:29:21.680 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>the doubters and people that want to tell you one

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 1>thing or another of like you've alluded to my entire life,

0:29:28.520 --> 0:29:31.360
<v Speaker 1>it's been my goals were too high all the way through.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 1>I remember I got to Eastern. Within within like two

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>weeks of being at Eastern, I heard that a coach

0:29:38.080 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 1>had shared that I was never going to play a

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>down for Eastern Washington. And you know that was as

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:47.400
<v Speaker 1>as I had just arrived, getting ready to you know,

0:29:47.440 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 1>go into that first year, and so even you know,

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.880
<v Speaker 1>all this stuff that it's just you know, tune all

0:29:52.880 --> 0:29:54.479
<v Speaker 1>that stuff out and say this is I know what

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 1>I've done, I know who I am, and I'm just

0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna go out there and be the best version of

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.360
<v Speaker 1>me over and over and over again. And that's gonna

0:30:00.360 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>be good enough. I know that the work that I've done,

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.040
<v Speaker 1>things that I've done, that's gonna be good enough. And

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>anything that's out, anything else is outside of my control.

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 2>You ended up not playing running back for the Trojans,

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:17.800
<v Speaker 2>but it sounds like everything else eventually worked itself out

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.560
<v Speaker 2>as you had dreamed early on when you're there at

0:30:21.600 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 2>Eastern Washington, Like, at what point do you realize you

0:30:27.880 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 2>have a you have a real shot to not just

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:35.440
<v Speaker 2>play but play impactfully in the NFL? Like, right, did

0:30:35.480 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you never like this is gonna happen from day one

0:30:38.400 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 2>moment one? Or there must have been some time when

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:45.000
<v Speaker 2>you realized, oh wow, Like yes, right.

0:30:45.160 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there's there's there are probably two moments.

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 1>There's like the dream, like I didn't dream about getting

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 1>to the NFL, you know, Okay, for the moment that

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.680
<v Speaker 1>it was like I'm doing this. The dream wasn't I'm

0:30:58.680 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>going to play in the NFL. The dream was like

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:02.800
<v Speaker 1>making the plays in the NFL. It was like doing

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:05.360
<v Speaker 1>the thing, like really doing the things as a kid,

0:31:05.400 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 1>like you don't you don't dream about just getting to

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>the NBA. You dream about, you know, hitting the game

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>winning shot in the you know, the finals, right, and

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>so that's kind of like as a kid, like, no,

0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:15.959
<v Speaker 1>that's what I'm going to do. Then there. I think

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a moment of when you are in the NFL

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.360
<v Speaker 1>of like the confirmation of like I can play at

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:25.480
<v Speaker 1>this level and the belief in yourself that you can

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:27.760
<v Speaker 1>play and do what you want to do. And I

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>think that happens early and that's like you get out

0:31:29.960 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>there and it's like, now I know who I am.

0:31:32.160 --> 0:31:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know any of these guys that I'm on

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the field with at this point, but I know who

0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I am. And within the first practice like, okay, no,

0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>this is the same. This is the same game that

0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I've been playing my entire life. It's the same game

0:31:42.880 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>I was playing in college, same while I was playing

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.200
<v Speaker 1>all the way back down to Pop Warner. The guys

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>are just a little bit bigger, a little faster, little stronger,

0:31:49.960 --> 0:31:51.480
<v Speaker 1>and I'm still five four one nine. Team.

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, you had some pretty good folks there with you

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.280
<v Speaker 2>when you got to the Rams. Sean McVeigh as a

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:07.440
<v Speaker 2>new head coach. Jared golf is in his second year there.

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:10.680
<v Speaker 2>You've got Aaron and Donald. Tell me a little bit

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 2>about your friendship with with Jared Goff. You guys, we

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 2>were close, right, roommates early on in your career.

0:32:18.040 --> 0:32:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Is that right? Yes?

0:32:19.120 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Because so when we got I trained down Orange County

0:32:22.040 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>and we got when I got drafted, we were in

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>Orange County. So then I got drafted, I just drove

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:32.560
<v Speaker 1>through La up to you know, a thousand Oaks, and

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Jared was nice enough to less basically crash at his

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>house my wife and I until we figured out what

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.160
<v Speaker 1>we were going to do in terms of getting you know,

0:32:39.240 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>renting a house or staying at the team hotel, which

0:32:41.520 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>is what we end up doing for a while. But

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, he was nice opened his home up to us,

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>and he was my first intro into you know, the offense,

0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>into all the stuff around here in terms of just like, hey,

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>this is just the area, showing me around. So really

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:58.440
<v Speaker 1>thankful for him and his you know, welcoming, welcoming me

0:32:58.600 --> 0:33:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and my family with open arms, and and we were

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:03.680
<v Speaker 1>able to grow together, you know, because we were both there.

0:33:04.480 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 1>That year was Shawn's first year, so everyone's learning the

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 1>offense at the same time. We're all figuring it out

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:12.320
<v Speaker 1>and and that was a fun thing to be able

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to have that whole crew be like, man, we get

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to we're building this all together and learning it all together.

0:33:16.960 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>That was think a pretty valuable thing for a receiver

0:33:19.720 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 1>and a quarterback.

0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:21.520
<v Speaker 3>Still close.

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we still talk. We still talk. He's obviously in

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Detroit and he's back and forth all over the place,

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, we still talk and actually owe him a

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:32.480
<v Speaker 1>dinner here, So I got.

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.200
<v Speaker 3>I think after his new contract, he is you a dinner.

0:33:36.680 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Now. I'm so happy for him. I'm think about think

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 1>about what he I mean people, people counted him out.

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:48.160
<v Speaker 1>People and like you, yes, but i mean, really it's

0:33:48.200 --> 0:33:50.440
<v Speaker 1>hard to do in the NFL when you get when

0:33:50.480 --> 0:33:52.200
<v Speaker 1>you're counted out like that. For him to go and

0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:54.720
<v Speaker 1>do what he did in Detroit and earn another contract

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>or have, you know, be be so consistent what he

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>is and who he is, and show his preper to

0:34:00.440 --> 0:34:02.959
<v Speaker 1>the point that this organization wants to invest in him

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>again and say, you know, we're we believe that you're

0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the guy and that's such a cool thing, and so

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:08.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm so pumped for him.

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he seems like a good guy, seems like a

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:13.919
<v Speaker 2>good guy.

0:34:15.080 --> 0:34:17.400
<v Speaker 1>He's a messy eater. I couldn't eat with him at

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 1>lunch because he's he's a messy eater. I'm sure his

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure his fiance. He's gotten that figured out by now,

0:34:23.760 --> 0:34:26.719
<v Speaker 1>Like I almost, dude, I can't eat you got you

0:34:26.800 --> 0:34:30.000
<v Speaker 1>got eating chicken wings and it's like a Caesar salad

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 1>and you've got Seasar dressing on your forehead. I can't

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:33.720
<v Speaker 1>eat anymore.

0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Twenty twenty one, your season we do. We call it historic,

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>First Team All Pro, Pro Bowl, NFL Offensive Player of

0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 2>the Year. You lead the NFL in receptions, yards, touchdowns.

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 2>It's Stafford's first year. Your buddy is gone, but it

0:34:54.640 --> 0:35:00.279
<v Speaker 2>sounds like you got a new campadre there that, at

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:05.560
<v Speaker 2>least within the offense, elevates you and allows you to

0:35:05.600 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 2>get those kind of numbers.

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:06.759
<v Speaker 3>Now.

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I know Matt, first off, he's an idiot. Okay, let's

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:14.000
<v Speaker 2>just get that clear right now. Yeah, and I'm better

0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>at golf than he is too. Regardless of what anybody,

0:35:16.920 --> 0:35:21.160
<v Speaker 2>including him says, what was that like for you? I mean,

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 2>getting that those kind of numbers. Now, I know you

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:27.759
<v Speaker 2>expect that of yourself and this is what you've been

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 2>doing all of the work for. But everyone thinks that, right,

0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean to get that within that offense. Was there

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:41.400
<v Speaker 2>something specifically that he was doing within the offense that

0:35:41.560 --> 0:35:44.960
<v Speaker 2>allowed that kind of change to happen?

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't. You know, there's probably a lot of

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>more elegant ways to put this, you know, but it

0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 1>was kind of like, you know, it's life when Peanut

0:35:54.239 --> 0:35:58.200
<v Speaker 1>Butter met Jelly. You know, it was just like Peb

0:35:58.320 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>and Jay. Yeah, it's like Pambe's and Jim. It was

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:07.840
<v Speaker 1>honestly like it was like this is going to be good,

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, the way we're seeing things, the timing.

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:12.440
<v Speaker 3>The way that you saw it right away.

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh, right away. It was like this is going to

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>be really good just in terms of the Yeah, like

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I said, the way we see the game. I don't

0:36:19.680 --> 0:36:21.520
<v Speaker 1>know what you want to put the chemistry is what

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>people say whatever that wherever the chemistry is. Uh, we

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:30.799
<v Speaker 1>just we had it and it's been it's been fun

0:36:30.880 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of growing in that, you know, because he he

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:35.160
<v Speaker 1>came in and he had obviously played such good football

0:36:35.200 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 1>and played so much. He you know, he's had so

0:36:37.480 --> 0:36:40.359
<v Speaker 1>many different offensive coordinators, like he could he can show

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:42.600
<v Speaker 1>you what any team that like he's calling other teams

0:36:42.600 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 1>plays out for him because he's had so many offenses

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 1>that he's run and knows all the verbiage of all

0:36:47.600 --> 0:36:51.560
<v Speaker 1>this different stuff. And it's like having that knowledge come

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 1>into our offense now and watching him kind of be

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:56.160
<v Speaker 1>able to run with the things that we're doing, and

0:36:57.520 --> 0:37:00.239
<v Speaker 1>you know he's his his saying, I'm I'm making sure

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>that we're putting up. We got a new facility going in.

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 1>Right behind in the QB room, right behind Matthew's head

0:37:05.320 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>on the wall is gonna be do something sweet because

0:37:07.200 --> 0:37:09.560
<v Speaker 1>that's his Like his mo was like, you know I

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 1>could have made that throw. I want to do something

0:37:12.560 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>sweet and move this guy and no look at and

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:17.720
<v Speaker 1>hit this you know, running out the back door. And

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you know that to me is the difference between most

0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:22.960
<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks and what Matthew does is you know, his ability

0:37:23.000 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>to dictate things and then he wants to hit you

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.799
<v Speaker 1>on the exact right spot where we can you know,

0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.640
<v Speaker 1>we're maximizing plays and now we're not just catching getting tackled.

0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:34.759
<v Speaker 1>It's catch and run opportunities and then it's a it's

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fun to play with a guy like that.

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:42.400
<v Speaker 2>So Sean McVay is well many have called an offensive

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:44.960
<v Speaker 2>genius in terms of his scheme or whatever. But do

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:48.359
<v Speaker 2>you think when Matthew came in with his specific set

0:37:48.400 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 2>of skills and experience in the league as you just referenced,

0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>that that was able to take it up to another level?

0:37:57.080 --> 0:37:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Or do you think that Matthew was just the right

0:37:59.480 --> 0:38:01.880
<v Speaker 2>quarterback within mcveigh's system.

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I think Matthew, the way that Matthew processes things, I

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>think it challenged Sean to be able to push the

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:13.240
<v Speaker 1>limits and push the boundaries of what's you know, what's

0:38:13.360 --> 0:38:16.719
<v Speaker 1>realistic and what can this? What can you challenge and

0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 1>stretch the quarterback position to do? And you know, historically,

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I think the you know, the Shanahan tree, which is

0:38:23.280 --> 0:38:27.759
<v Speaker 1>where McMahon McVeigh have came through, are pretty hard on

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks already. You know, what Matthew showed what he could

0:38:30.280 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 1>do and his abilitiar process and all the throws that

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 1>he's able to make and move people has opened up

0:38:35.600 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Sean's mind as so many other things that you know

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:40.760
<v Speaker 1>are possible, and his ability to innovate and tinker with things,

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>and then it's just you know, being able to be

0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 1>free to say, hey, that was a mistake, let's not

0:38:45.719 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>do that, and then also being able to collaborate with

0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 1>each other and be like you know, as a quarterback

0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 1>communicating to a coach, a coach can communicating to the quarterback.

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 1>When when those things, when communications go in both ways,

0:38:56.400 --> 0:39:00.239
<v Speaker 1>it makes for some pretty special outcomes, pretty special plays.

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>I know you were just on my well friend of

0:39:04.440 --> 0:39:08.120
<v Speaker 2>the podcast here Julian Edelman's show. You talked about the

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:13.799
<v Speaker 2>NFC Championship game against the Hated by me and I'm

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>sure you forty nine ers the Games with Names podcasts.

0:39:18.680 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 2>You broke it down your performance there eleven catches, one

0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:27.920
<v Speaker 2>forty two and two touchdowns leading into Super Bowl fifty

0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 2>six where you have another monster game and you win

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 2>Super Bowl MVP. This is the culmination for you, right

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.360
<v Speaker 2>of all of that work, of all of that time,

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>and you know, being I didn't look up how many

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 2>wide receivers have won Super Bowl MVP, but I know

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:51.239
<v Speaker 2>not a lot, because you know, somebody does have to

0:39:51.239 --> 0:39:53.280
<v Speaker 2>get you the ball. You have to be in position,

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 2>and as you talked about before, everybody has to do

0:39:57.160 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 2>their job, and you have to continue you your job

0:40:01.239 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 2>to get in a position to then eventually make the play.

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 2>You certainly made a ton of those. I'm sure that

0:40:09.040 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 2>felt great. I don't have to ask you that question.

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:17.360
<v Speaker 2>But after achieving that, specifically through that playoff run, that season,

0:40:17.880 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 2>the season you had the win, what motivates you now

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to keep working hard?

0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Well, I think that same thing I kind of

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>touched on before. I mean, those moments of getting to

0:40:31.800 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>that point of like winning a super Bowl, right like

0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 1>the pinnacle of what we talked about as little kids.

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:40.080
<v Speaker 1>You dream of winning that game, You dream of that

0:40:40.160 --> 0:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>moment and being able to achieve that thing, and then

0:40:42.960 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 1>you're asking, you know what, what once you've done that,

0:40:45.480 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 1>what comes after that? And to me, I think, having

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.240
<v Speaker 1>experienced that, those moments, while those like memories are incredible

0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and I'll always cherish the memories and like what it

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>was like after that celebrating with all the guys with

0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:01.520
<v Speaker 1>my family, that those feelings are so fleeting, They're so fleeting,

0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and to chase after that would be such an empty

0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 1>and hollow thing. To chase after these small like glimpses

0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 1>of these small moments of feelings like, you know, the

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 1>next day, I'm giving my kids a bath, you know,

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:17.440
<v Speaker 1>at you know, seven point thirty, trying to get these

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.759
<v Speaker 1>guys to like calm down and go to sleep, you know,

0:41:20.880 --> 0:41:23.200
<v Speaker 1>so they don't know any difference, Like that's just what

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:27.319
<v Speaker 1>we're doing. And it's like it's back to life, you know,

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 1>back to your your I'm dad, you know, I'm I'm

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a husband and so you know, for me, I look

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:35.400
<v Speaker 1>back on those moments and be like, it wasn't those

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 1>moments that I want again. It's that problem. It's that

0:41:39.280 --> 0:41:43.160
<v Speaker 1>whole season, that whole like the work that was put

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:45.880
<v Speaker 1>in and the amount of collaboration, the highs the lows,

0:41:45.920 --> 0:41:48.640
<v Speaker 1>like the amount of times we're in the office and

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, times are rough, and it's like, man, we

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:54.319
<v Speaker 1>can meet each other here and fix some problems and

0:41:54.560 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 1>enjoy each other's company and you know, being able to

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 1>walk alongside guys and that whole thing out. It's like, man,

0:42:00.800 --> 0:42:07.200
<v Speaker 1>this whole package of memories of like moments of relationships.

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:10.080
<v Speaker 1>That is what I'm like, Man, this is why I

0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>love to do this. I get to be I get

0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>to be impacted and impact so many people throughout the

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.399
<v Speaker 1>course of the season, and I love that I get

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.720
<v Speaker 1>to I look back on that. I want that instead

0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of these tiny moments, these fleeting moments, no matter high,

0:42:22.920 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 1>how high or how low they were, I want those moments.

0:42:25.840 --> 0:42:27.319
<v Speaker 1>And you know, you get to the I don't like

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:29.120
<v Speaker 1>to use the analogy of the mountaintop. You get to

0:42:29.120 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>the mountaintop, you look out, guess what, there's another mountaintop.

0:42:32.160 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>If you didn't enjoy the climb up to that thing,

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 1>you enjoy toiling, you know, with with your guys to

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:39.080
<v Speaker 1>get to the top of that thing, you know, then

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:40.720
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna want to go after that next mountain.

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:43.920
<v Speaker 1>But if you enjoyed that climb, if you enjoyed the

0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:46.200
<v Speaker 1>relationships that were built and all the things that came

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:49.400
<v Speaker 1>from that that you know, process of getting there, you

0:42:49.400 --> 0:42:51.799
<v Speaker 1>see that mountain top and you're excited because that's like, man,

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>we get to do this again. We get to go

0:42:53.600 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 1>to another one. And you know, I kind of that's

0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:57.880
<v Speaker 1>that's how I kind of take, you know, my approach

0:42:57.920 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>into every one of these seasons.

0:42:59.160 --> 0:43:01.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, of course, you want to win every year,

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.760
<v Speaker 2>but here here's the general reality. And I know that statistically,

0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 2>I know I'm right It's really hard to go back

0:43:11.160 --> 0:43:16.560
<v Speaker 2>to back in a way because the NFL is cyclical,

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:20.000
<v Speaker 2>and the reality is is that once you have gotten

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:24.920
<v Speaker 2>to that mountaintop, you have you know, thirty other teams

0:43:25.280 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>that are trying to that are they're literally scheming against.

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:29.960
<v Speaker 3>What you're doing.

0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:34.120
<v Speaker 2>But with the coaches, with the preparation, with the specific players,

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 2>it feels like you can make another run. Now, Matthew

0:43:37.400 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 2>had some injuries, You had some injury issues last year,

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 2>and it feels to.

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 3>Me like we're cycling back.

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 2>It feels like you got another exciting young player, Puka

0:43:53.200 --> 0:43:57.239
<v Speaker 2>Nakua that you know. Unfortunately, you guys just weren't on

0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:00.799
<v Speaker 2>the field at the same time a lot of the time.

0:44:01.280 --> 0:44:06.760
<v Speaker 2>But I I I see some big things for you guys,

0:44:06.800 --> 0:44:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and I know Big Matt wants to make another run,

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:09.920
<v Speaker 2>that's for sure.

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've got we've got the we've got the pieces.

0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:14.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's the fun thing about this point of the

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:17.719
<v Speaker 1>season is, you know, everyone's the excitement for everyone is

0:44:17.760 --> 0:44:21.879
<v Speaker 1>like man, this we've got something here and we get

0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 1>to now get into camp and like, man, what could

0:44:24.200 --> 0:44:27.920
<v Speaker 1>this season be? But it is exciting and and you know,

0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:30.839
<v Speaker 1>there's so much that comes into the involved the season

0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:33.520
<v Speaker 1>that was staying healthy is obviously a huge part of it,

0:44:33.560 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 1>just as collectively as a team we talking about twenty

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:39.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty two coming off of twenty one, we couldn't really

0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>even hold OTAs because we had so many guys on

0:44:41.480 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 1>our roster after that long season that just weren't healthy

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.640
<v Speaker 1>enough to be able to do a full OTAs. You

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.920
<v Speaker 1>guys were just beat up heading into that season, and uh,

0:44:51.080 --> 0:44:53.840
<v Speaker 1>and then it obviously trickles in and like guys start

0:44:53.840 --> 0:44:55.719
<v Speaker 1>going down. You know, we had I can't remember what

0:44:55.719 --> 0:44:59.399
<v Speaker 1>it was, something your fifteen different offensive line variations. Uh,

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.080
<v Speaker 1>it was just like it was it was. It was nuts,

0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 1>But I do I'm I'm man. We've got such a

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:08.200
<v Speaker 1>good group of guys, young guys and guys with experience,

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 1>and everyone's really hungry and excited to get after the

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:11.640
<v Speaker 1>things here.

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:31.200
<v Speaker 3>I hear you're a pretty big fan of the Office.

0:45:31.800 --> 0:45:33.720
<v Speaker 1>I am a very big fan of the Office.

0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 3>Really, do you think you're the I mean, it's too

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 3>bad we're not still shooting. You know. I've been known

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 3>to get people on the show who I.

0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:42.800
<v Speaker 1>Didn't know that you were the one that that was

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:44.280
<v Speaker 1>pulling those strings.

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:47.360
<v Speaker 3>I got one of your competitors on and he'll admit it,

0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:50.120
<v Speaker 3>so I can say it's been told before.

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>You got Aaron on.

0:45:51.160 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So if I had known, if I had known,

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:57.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, well, I mean I guess when we were shooting,

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really gonna happen. Maybe we'll go back, Maybe we'll

0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:03.799
<v Speaker 2>go back for another episode or something, and I can

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:04.960
<v Speaker 2>get you on if you go.

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.799
<v Speaker 1>If you guys go back and you don't at least ask,

0:46:10.080 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>I might never talk to you again.

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:14.319
<v Speaker 3>Ask you to be on the show, or to come

0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:15.360
<v Speaker 3>visit and say hi.

0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Asked to be like if you have to run it

0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:20.279
<v Speaker 1>by the producers and be like, hey, I'm not going

0:46:20.320 --> 0:46:22.000
<v Speaker 1>to say I'm the biggest fan, because I know that

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:25.320
<v Speaker 1>there's some crazy people out there that are bigger fans.

0:46:25.360 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 1>But you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy crazy meaning good, crazy meaning good to yeah, go ahead.

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And crazy meaning bad there. But I will say this,

0:46:34.320 --> 0:46:37.120
<v Speaker 1>just like RAMS fans exactly. There's there's the good ones

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.839
<v Speaker 1>and the bad ones. Okay, them all the same. But

0:46:40.360 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 1>we've watched it, my wife, and I'm not going to

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:44.719
<v Speaker 1>exact it. We've watched it from beginning to end at

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:48.799
<v Speaker 1>least seven times, so I've got pretty good that's just

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:50.400
<v Speaker 1>my wife and I so I sleeping. Like you know,

0:46:50.440 --> 0:46:54.439
<v Speaker 1>we met in twenty twelve. There's time before that that.

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:57.840
<v Speaker 3>We were rolling favorite episode.

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:03.120
<v Speaker 1>So you know this is this is this might be

0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 1>this is a hot take. What's the what's the what's

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:09.040
<v Speaker 1>everyone's least favorite episode?

0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I hope you say something because I got a story

0:47:12.040 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 2>for it. What what I would say that Scott's Tots.

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Is everyone's least favorite episode? If you go back, it

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 1>is so funny, Like every moment that.

0:47:21.719 --> 0:47:25.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad you said this. I'm I'm shouting out.

0:47:25.560 --> 0:47:28.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't do you know this. I just got something

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 2>in the mail breaking news right now. I have not

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 2>met him. He's gonna come. I've been told he's gonna

0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.880
<v Speaker 2>come on the podcast. Here Donovan Mitchell, have you seen this?

0:47:40.400 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 2>He has shoes Don's Tots. I just got them here.

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I would show them to you before we're done here,

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 2>I'll go and get them. I'll I just took him

0:47:51.520 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 2>out of the box yesterday. He's got sweatshirts.

0:47:56.360 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>So yours is Scott's totsy. It's hard, like we have

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.399
<v Speaker 1>to prepare ourselves. Like we get together, we say hey,

0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:05.279
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we need to pray before we head into this.

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.279
<v Speaker 1>Watch this episode because it hurts our heart. It hurts

0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:13.000
<v Speaker 1>our heart watching what Michael Michael did to those poor kids.

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:16.000
<v Speaker 1>But the episode all the other is so good. It's

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>so good, but it is I wasn't doing that one.

0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I go product recall because the opening for you know,

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:24.360
<v Speaker 1>product recalls is electric And that's the Bears beats Battle

0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Star Galactica opening.

0:48:26.520 --> 0:48:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you would get this. It is always attributed to

0:48:31.800 --> 0:48:34.240
<v Speaker 3>Dwight Shrut, but Dwight never.

0:48:34.200 --> 0:48:38.040
<v Speaker 2>Says beats Battlestar Galactica.

0:48:37.840 --> 0:48:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Because his identity was stolen.

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 3>Because identity was stolen.

0:48:41.360 --> 0:48:41.840
<v Speaker 1>Identity.

0:48:41.920 --> 0:48:45.200
<v Speaker 2>That's so, that's that's your that's your favorite opening.

0:48:45.320 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's my favorite opening, I'd say, But Scott's thoughts

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:50.880
<v Speaker 1>is like, and what should be my favorite opening?

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 3>That's fine, that's fine. Everybody has choices. Everybody gets to

0:48:54.719 --> 0:48:58.600
<v Speaker 3>make choices. I mean, it's no, it's a great one.

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.399
<v Speaker 1>Chilly one is awesome. The Chili one is so good.

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:07.000
<v Speaker 3>It felt like you were No, I'm not that felt

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 3>like I'm gonna be honest.

0:49:08.120 --> 0:49:11.239
<v Speaker 1>With you, patronizing you either on this. It's it's legitimately

0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.240
<v Speaker 1>so I sent you, We sent you some coffee beans.

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:18.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're about to discuss the coffee Dodo coffee you've

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:19.040
<v Speaker 2>just started.

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 3>I know, I'm excited about it.

0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Did you Okay on a few from the box yet,

0:49:23.239 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 1>But there's a note I.

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:25.239
<v Speaker 3>Don't have it yet.

0:49:26.200 --> 0:49:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Oh all right, Well you can don't spoil a surprise,

0:49:29.680 --> 0:49:32.680
<v Speaker 2>or you can, because otherwise it won't for you.

0:49:32.680 --> 0:49:35.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, you know a little reference to the to

0:49:35.200 --> 0:49:41.440
<v Speaker 1>the to the beans in there you go. I was

0:49:41.440 --> 0:49:43.839
<v Speaker 1>gonna go like I didn't want to. I didn't want

0:49:43.840 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 1>to overdo the office references since you since you brought

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:51.880
<v Speaker 1>it up and started with a well well, well well.

0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:56.280
<v Speaker 2>I was told you were you were a big fan

0:49:56.760 --> 0:50:00.160
<v Speaker 2>fan of the show, so I got I'm gonna this

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:03.680
<v Speaker 2>is either going to impress the world and your wife

0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:05.880
<v Speaker 2>or not. You know I I when people tell me

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.319
<v Speaker 2>they're big fans of the show, when people pull the

0:50:08.360 --> 0:50:12.239
<v Speaker 2>trivia card. I have one one question and one question only.

0:50:12.239 --> 0:50:12.800
<v Speaker 3>Are you ready?

0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:17.640
<v Speaker 3>Are you ready for it? You're going to fail, I

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:18.960
<v Speaker 3>can tell you already.

0:50:19.960 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 1>I want to answer this question right so badly. Do

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:23.680
<v Speaker 1>you know what the question is about? I don't want

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:24.399
<v Speaker 1>to let you down here.

0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the only question I ever asked, I heard

0:50:27.160 --> 0:50:35.000
<v Speaker 2>it one time. You ready for one million fictional shoot bucks?

0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:39.399
<v Speaker 3>Yes? What is Gabe Lewis's middle name?

0:50:40.320 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, gave Lewis's middle name? I have no idea what

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:49.440
<v Speaker 1>gave Lewis's middle name is Gabe? What is it?

0:50:49.760 --> 0:50:56.200
<v Speaker 3>He says it? Gabriel Susan Lewis Susanna.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:50:58.960 --> 0:50:59.080
<v Speaker 3>Me.

0:51:00.440 --> 0:51:02.239
<v Speaker 2>No, I would have never known that. It's just the

0:51:02.320 --> 0:51:04.960
<v Speaker 2>question I ask, so now I know it. I would

0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:05.719
<v Speaker 2>never have known that.

0:51:06.200 --> 0:51:08.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm so upset that I couldn't get that one for you.

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:12.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's all right. Many many have failed. The other question.

0:51:13.000 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 3>The only other question that I ask people is occasionally

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:18.840
<v Speaker 3>people will come up to me with a particular T

0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 3>shirt on.

0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Yes, the the.

0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Fun Run T shirt? Oh yeah, Meredith Palmer.

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:28.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And so I ask them to their face do

0:51:28.600 --> 0:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you usually wear clothes that you don't know?

0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:31.839
<v Speaker 3>What?

0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:35.000
<v Speaker 2>They say, and they're confused, and then I block them

0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.320
<v Speaker 2>and I say, what does your shirts say? That's a

0:51:37.520 --> 0:51:38.240
<v Speaker 2>zero percent?

0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:40.720
<v Speaker 3>That is no what has gotten?

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 2>And I couldn't do that right now either, By the way,

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Meredith Palmer memorial Michael Scott's.

0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah Anyway, Fun Run for the Cure, Fun Run for

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 3>the cure.

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:52.960
<v Speaker 2>I think it ends with that. Uh you mentioned it,

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:57.680
<v Speaker 2>I'll mention it now, Dodo Coffee. Where did this come from?

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:01.399
<v Speaker 1>This has been something that we've talk about in our

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:05.520
<v Speaker 1>family to do for a while, and the opportunity came

0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:07.320
<v Speaker 1>up to just send.

0:52:07.080 --> 0:52:08.640
<v Speaker 3>It and we did.

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:10.920
<v Speaker 1>And then as we started building up, it was going

0:52:11.000 --> 0:52:12.959
<v Speaker 1>to be just like, hey, let's just do a little

0:52:12.960 --> 0:52:16.280
<v Speaker 1>coffee shop to hey, let's roast her own coffee. Oh

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:21.279
<v Speaker 1>and then once we start roasting our dude, it's like, hey,

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna figure out. He's a biology background. He's like,

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna just figure out this roasting thing. First roast

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.800
<v Speaker 1>he does comes in grades at ninety two out of

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 1>one hundred on the Q grade, which is a phenomenally

0:52:35.200 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>graded coffee.

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what a Q grade is, but ninety

0:52:38.719 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 3>two sounds good good.

0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:43.879
<v Speaker 1>Ninety two is very good. Okay, So like, shoot, we've

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.239
<v Speaker 1>got something really good here. You know, I don't know

0:52:46.239 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>if you knew this. So if you little coffee shop

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that roaster own coffee. Most coffee shops that are giving

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:55.279
<v Speaker 1>you the coffee that right the breist is giving you

0:52:55.280 --> 0:52:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the coffee. They're giving you their lowest graded stuff their cheapest,

0:52:58.320 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 1>say because he's they're gonna sell their best stuff. It's

0:53:01.680 --> 0:53:03.879
<v Speaker 1>it costs them more to give you the good stuff,

0:53:03.880 --> 0:53:06.920
<v Speaker 1>because the latte costs six dollars whether they use the

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>really good beans or their bad beans, right, but their

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 1>good beans are gonna cost some more.

0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:14.800
<v Speaker 2>Wait, so you're selling that. You're saying, they they sell

0:53:14.840 --> 0:53:18.440
<v Speaker 2>beans in the bag that are that are good, but

0:53:18.520 --> 0:53:19.239
<v Speaker 2>they give me.

0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:22.880
<v Speaker 1>It will give you the lower tier of their coffee.

0:53:23.239 --> 0:53:24.600
<v Speaker 3>Why would they make lower tier?

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:28.160
<v Speaker 1>This is standard practice? Well, just because you know, not

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.520
<v Speaker 1>everyone like they make a wide range. Like, hey, we're

0:53:30.520 --> 0:53:34.359
<v Speaker 1>gonna sell this coffee that's you know, wherever twenty five dollars,

0:53:34.360 --> 0:53:36.320
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna sell this one is twenty, this one's be fifteen.

0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 1>They're giving you the fifteen dollars.

0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Is it more expensive to make higher.

0:53:41.920 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 1>It's it's usually sourcing, like it costs more green beans.

0:53:46.520 --> 0:53:49.759
<v Speaker 1>But at Dodo Coffee co. You come to our brick

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:52.240
<v Speaker 1>and mortar, you're getting the best stuff. We're not giving

0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:55.320
<v Speaker 1>you anything less than our Dodo Blend, which is the highest,

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:57.879
<v Speaker 1>greatest stuff that we have. And you know, so that's

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.560
<v Speaker 1>a little bit different. We want to be like high quality.

0:54:00.560 --> 0:54:02.520
<v Speaker 1>You want to give you guys, people come to our shops.

0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:05.240
<v Speaker 1>You want to be a great experience. So Dodo Coffee

0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 1>co brick and mortars in northwest Arkansas.

0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:10.359
<v Speaker 3>And then why why in I saw that? Why why

0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 3>in Arkansas?

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.120
<v Speaker 1>That's where my wife's family all live.

0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:13.600
<v Speaker 3>Got it.

0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's that's where they're at. So that's the

0:54:15.840 --> 0:54:17.640
<v Speaker 1>where the brick and mortar is. There'll be more coming.

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:21.960
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna strategically place them. You know, a few really

0:54:21.960 --> 0:54:23.720
<v Speaker 1>cool spots around the country.

0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Like in my neighborhood.

0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Maybe where are you, where you're at, what's your address?

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 2>I'll give it to you later. That's incread. I love

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:38.480
<v Speaker 2>that story. Yeah, and so you're committed to doing it different. Yeah,

0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.400
<v Speaker 2>we're doing We're doing different. And then we're gonna you know,

0:54:40.440 --> 0:54:42.840
<v Speaker 2>we got a website coming coming up here that just launched.

0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 2>Got some good coffee coming out. We got some stuff

0:54:45.360 --> 0:54:45.920
<v Speaker 2>from Hawaii.

0:54:45.960 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 1>We've got some stuff from the Dodo Blyn which is

0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:51.359
<v Speaker 1>a Columbia Brazil combination of mix. We got some single

0:54:51.360 --> 0:54:55.239
<v Speaker 1>origins from Mexico, from Guatemala, a single origin decaf from Columbia.

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:57.759
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, you guys should really check it out.

0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:03.000
<v Speaker 3>That's it. So do you have where where is your

0:55:03.120 --> 0:55:04.160
<v Speaker 3>espresso beans? From?

0:55:04.840 --> 0:55:09.399
<v Speaker 1>The espresso beans are the Columbia and Brazil mix. That's

0:55:09.440 --> 0:55:12.800
<v Speaker 1>the Dodo blend, which is which are leaned towards an espresso.

0:55:13.680 --> 0:55:15.480
<v Speaker 1>If you like doing espresso, that's the ones that that

0:55:15.520 --> 0:55:17.360
<v Speaker 1>would get. They also do great. It's a it's a

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:21.080
<v Speaker 1>great drip as well, but the Guatemala is specifically made

0:55:21.280 --> 0:55:23.080
<v Speaker 1>for a drip. And some cold brew. We've got some

0:55:23.120 --> 0:55:27.440
<v Speaker 1>good cold brew stuff. We have good, we have some options.

0:55:27.680 --> 0:55:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, I'm literally drinking a coffee right now

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.759
<v Speaker 2>from my favorite I like to buy. You know what

0:55:33.840 --> 0:55:35.440
<v Speaker 2>you this is what you need to sign me. You

0:55:35.480 --> 0:55:37.360
<v Speaker 2>send me from your brick and mortar, because I promise

0:55:37.440 --> 0:55:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I actually semi collect this. I like the I like

0:55:40.560 --> 0:55:43.760
<v Speaker 2>the is espresso. So when I go to a place,

0:55:43.800 --> 0:55:45.800
<v Speaker 2>I really like this one is. Uh.

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:47.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't know why I'm suddenly giving them an ad

0:55:48.320 --> 0:55:50.839
<v Speaker 3>Cobrick in New York City is my favorite place in

0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:51.959
<v Speaker 3>New York City.

0:55:52.080 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 1>Uh.

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 2>I buy up, I buy up what do you call it?

0:55:56.239 --> 0:55:59.840
<v Speaker 2>A glass to have it home? Yeah, and I and

0:55:59.880 --> 0:56:02.680
<v Speaker 2>I collect them at home and it makes me feel

0:56:02.719 --> 0:56:05.560
<v Speaker 2>like I'm there. Like the mugs, Yeah, a mug or

0:56:05.840 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 2>a glass star. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean you

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 2>don't have to. I'm just saying I would appreciate. I

0:56:12.560 --> 0:56:13.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know when the next time I'm going to be

0:56:14.000 --> 0:56:16.439
<v Speaker 2>in Northwest Arkansas is, but when you put one down

0:56:16.480 --> 0:56:21.320
<v Speaker 2>the block from me, boom roasted roasted nice?

0:56:23.920 --> 0:56:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:56:25.160 --> 0:56:25.520
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Dodo Coffee spelled d O d Ocoffee dot co. Or

0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:34.319
<v Speaker 2>you can check them out at d O d O

0:56:34.600 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 2>Coffee Co. On Instagram and the TikTok Are you making

0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 2>TikTok videos?

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm a new TikTok star. I don't know if you've heard.

0:56:42.160 --> 0:56:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I did not know. I'm not. I don't. I'm

0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:46.240
<v Speaker 1>not a big TikTok person.

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:49.359
<v Speaker 2>So, uh do you know when I became a big

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:52.200
<v Speaker 2>TikTok person? When I became a TikTok star like ten

0:56:52.280 --> 0:56:55.040
<v Speaker 2>days ago. So that's that's why it started.

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.080
<v Speaker 1>For me through what was your breakthrough a video?

0:56:58.040 --> 0:57:00.400
<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I don't, I don't. I don't underst stand it.

0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:03.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I have a new cookbook that just

0:57:03.960 --> 0:57:07.279
<v Speaker 2>came out. Ooh, maybe we can make some stuff at

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:10.760
<v Speaker 2>at your brick and mortar there. I posted a video

0:57:10.840 --> 0:57:15.080
<v Speaker 2>of myself making ribs and suddenly I seventeen million people

0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:17.840
<v Speaker 2>watched it. Don't have any idea, don't.

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Know through it. So is it all laid out in

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:20.280
<v Speaker 1>the TikTok video.

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:22.160
<v Speaker 3>It's all laid out in the TikTok video.

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go washing on therapy. Can you

0:57:23.680 --> 0:57:25.960
<v Speaker 1>just tell me about it? What's your what's your.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell you about the video? Like, describe the video.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's your secret? What's like the there's good ribs,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's something that you do that takes us to

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<v Speaker 1>the next level?

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<v Speaker 3>What do you want to Honestly, do you want to

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<v Speaker 3>know what it is? I mean, I can.

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<v Speaker 2>I can talk about my genius and I am a

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<v Speaker 2>genius on the on the smoker there. But the biggest,

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<v Speaker 2>biggest piece of advice, it's not about ribs. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>about the sauce. It's about the meat. By high quality

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<v Speaker 2>meat always for everything, especially for ribs, because really, you

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<v Speaker 2>go to a you go to a chain restaurant, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you getting? You're getting leather with a ton of sauce.

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<v Speaker 2>And then when you're when you leave, what do you say.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't say, oh my gosh, that meat was so

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<v Speaker 2>tender and juicy and delicious. You say, oh, I love

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<v Speaker 2>that sauce. Yeah, I'm with you, right, No, that makes

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of sense. I'm I'm a big barbecue guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Barbecue is like my favorite. Oh so, if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>pole pork sandwich on the menu at any restaurant ever, breakfast, lunch,

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<v Speaker 2>or dinner, I'm ordering a pole pork sandwich, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ordering whatever I was gonna get, and I'm eating

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<v Speaker 2>that pullpork sandwich.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't count. Doesn't count for.

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<v Speaker 3>My meal cole slaw on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah, that's all right, half tabpoles.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna I'm gonna send you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna send you one of my cookbooks because, by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, it's a barbecue cookbook. I mean this, this relate.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm drinking coffee, we're talking barbecue. This is the start

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<v Speaker 2>of a beautiful relationship. When when are you inviting me

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<v Speaker 2>to a game?

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<v Speaker 1>Whenever you want to come? What game? What game you

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<v Speaker 1>want to come to? You let me know a game

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<v Speaker 1>you want them to and we'll make it happen. You

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<v Speaker 1>set up with my family.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like I don't like bothering you guys. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't like bothering you.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I was gonna say, let me know so

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<v Speaker 1>I can minimize how much family because I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we're an office family. I don't want you

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<v Speaker 1>to get costed the well, we'll get a nice sweep

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<v Speaker 1>for you, and you know it'll be it'll be a

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<v Speaker 1>nice spot. You want to come to a game, you

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<v Speaker 1>let me know.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I would love to do it. Uh you

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<v Speaker 2>you're watch this, ladies and gentlemen. Your office is probably

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<v Speaker 2>the nicest office in the NFL, for sure, Sofi Stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great place, great place to watch a game,

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<v Speaker 2>very very lucky lucky man there. Uh congratulations, Oh you

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<v Speaker 2>have you have you have the Packers coming to town

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<v Speaker 2>this year.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to go out into the cold.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I heard McVeigh was complaining last year about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I don't know what Matt Lafleur did make us

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<v Speaker 1>go to Bay multiple years. We were in Green Bay

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<v Speaker 1>for it's like four or five years in a row.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And for whatever reason, it was like the same week

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<v Speaker 2>and I was always there. Oh did you see me

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<v Speaker 2>sing roll out the barrel?

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<v Speaker 3>There?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't one of your Uh yeah you were districted,

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<v Speaker 2>you were actually working. I think it was two years

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't last year. You were there last year too.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there last year, it was two years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotcha roll out the barrel. Good luck on the season,

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, and good luck with Dodo Coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to get the beans here. I promise

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<v Speaker 2>you there and here here's here's the other thing you've

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<v Speaker 2>taught me. When I show up at my favorite coffee

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<v Speaker 2>shop here before well, my favorite coffee shop now before

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<v Speaker 2>Dodo opens up a place around the corner. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I'm gonna do tomorrow. I promise you this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to show up and I'm gonna I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>order my latte and I'm gonna make them open up

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<v Speaker 2>a pack kids of their bagged beans and see what

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<v Speaker 2>happens good.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff, and say, hey, don't give me, don't give me

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<v Speaker 1>that stuff on the bottom shelf. I want the top shelves.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk. I want the top shelf stuff. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know me, I'm always top shelf. H Cooper. We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna do it. We're gonna shoot some hoops, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>play some golf. We're gonna drink some coffee and make

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<v Speaker 2>some barbecue. And then check out a game. Have a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great season this year. All right, I know you're back

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<v Speaker 2>to work now, very very soon. Good luck this year

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<v Speaker 2>so much.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 3>Man. All right, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper, so fun talking to you. Thank you for everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Good luck this year. I expect the Rams to have

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<v Speaker 2>a very successful season. And thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 2>the coffee delivery. That's right, I just had a shot

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<v Speaker 2>of espresso.

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<v Speaker 3>Listeners. The coffee's good. It's very good. I do recommend

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<v Speaker 3>you try it.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay awake, stay alert, stay out of trouble, and until

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<v Speaker 2>next time, everybody, have a great week. Off the Beat

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