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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, if you're listening to me right now, you

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Speaker 2: already know where you are. You are off the beat

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Speaker 2: with your host. Yours truly, Brian Baumgartner. My guest today

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Speaker 2: none other than the La Rams wide receiver Cooper Cup. Cooper,

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Speaker 2: a true underdog story, was not even recruited to a

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Speaker 2: That's all before he became pro now. Since joining the

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Speaker 3: Bubble and squeak. I love it, bubble and squeak.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: Bubble and squeak.

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Speaker 1: I cook it every mole, lift over from the ninety before.

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Speaker 3: Well, well, well, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: It's great? Oh yeah, I expecting you to hit me

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Speaker 3: Where are you right now?

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Speaker 1: I'm home. I'm home. We just had a little bit

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, thank you for joining me. I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: a big fan of yours. You know you remind because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get that. I've heard that a lot.

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Speaker 1: You know, the golf game. The golf game is a

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Speaker 1: You know, I was. I was with you in Tahoe

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Speaker 3: I think it was the COVID year, right, Yes, yeah.

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Speaker 3: That year was my best year ever, So maybe your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're uh, we're we are uh less than

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Speaker 1: No, I couldn't do it. We had my son's birthdays,

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Speaker 1: I've actually not even been to Palm I mean, I

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Speaker 1: I've got the inside scoop on where you were?

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Speaker 3: You got the inside scoop? Now, is this near a

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Speaker 1: I have no complaints about growing up there. I mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Are you do you enjoy Los Angeles? I do.

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Speaker 2: Because you had that shared experience that was something that

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Speaker 2: Before before, before you got there, did you think like

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Speaker 1: But I believe. I remember telling my coaches like I'm

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that you can't shoot as well as me. Okay,

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Speaker 3: No, I can't not even gonna.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna pretend because if if somebody, if somebody asks.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, we can do that up done, lay up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was that was definitely the toughest time was,

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Speaker 1: It's just kind of like, you know, not not quite

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Speaker 1: And I get this call and he's like, hey, you know,

439
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,680
Speaker 1: we're just not uh we we think we're gonna go

440
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,600
Speaker 1: a different direction with our wide receiver recruitment. We think

441
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: we want to get like a smaller, quicker slot receiver.

442
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 1: So I just want to let you know just we

443
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 1: were moving on basically. And that's how like my senior season,

444
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: like I just played the best game of my life

445
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: and lost the only interest I had from Wow, you know,

446
00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 1: the only university of showing me any interest. So yeah,

447
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,439
Speaker 1: it was tough. But I I said, you know, if

448
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 1: you have come out of this car like you're gonna

449
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,120
Speaker 1: find a way to play. But not having anything solidified

450
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 1: that that was tough.

451
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,480
Speaker 2: When did when did bo Baldwin offer you a scholarship

452
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 2: at Eastern Washington?

453
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: It was it was probably middle of December. We're in there,

454
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: it was you know, it was it was a little

455
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 1: ways away, so you know, we end in November. It

456
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 1: was a few weeks. I don't stay. Actually ended up

457
00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: being the first ones to come in. Eastern Washington said hey,

458
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: we're in order, we'll give you a half. I don't

459
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 1: State came in said we'll give you a full. Then

460
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: Eastern called back and said we'll give you a full.

461
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:48,919
Speaker 1: And those were my two offers and that ended up

462
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,800
Speaker 1: happening December, you know, December, early January.

463
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,720
Speaker 3: Why did you decide to red shirt your first year?

464
00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 1: Well, when I got there, I had there were three

465
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, all American receivers that were ahead of me,

466
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 1: and so you know I didn't. I took the approach like, well,

467
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to compare myself anyone. I'm just gonna

468
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 1: try to be the best me that I can be,

469
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 1: and whatever ends up happening, I'm gonna be okay with it.

470
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: At the end of that, you know, fall camp Merceerier

471
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: coach kind of asked me what I wanted to do.

472
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 1: They kind of left it in my hands a little

473
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: bit of what whether I wanted to or not. And

474
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: one of the All American receivers I was there, who

475
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 1: ended up becoming my coach for the last two years

476
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 1: while off my time at Eastern Washington was just like, hey,

477
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: I just think you it's best for you to red

478
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: shirt because you know his Mondy's like, I'm not coming

479
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: off the field. Brand Coffin's not coming out the field.

480
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,280
Speaker 1: Greg Hurt's not coming off the field. Ashton Clark was

481
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,199
Speaker 1: the other receiver who ended up being you know, my

482
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 1: running mate my first year playing, and it's I mean,

483
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: we had to have so many guys, it just makes

484
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: sense to take this year and and learn, and so

485
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 1: so I did. But it was it was so valuable

486
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: it was. It was some of the best stuff I did.

487
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: I mean that that year, the growth that I had,

488
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, physically mentally, it was a very valuable thing.

489
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: Your first college football game, you play in Corvallis, Oregon

490
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 2: against Oregon State. Some might call it the Cooper Cup

491
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: college football coming out party. You crushed it. One hundred

492
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 2: and nineteen yards, two touchdowns. You guys beat Oregon State.

493
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: How was that after sitting that year and working so

494
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 2: hard to have that kind of game and to shock

495
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 2: the world, if you will, and actually beat a ranked

496
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 2: team at a very difficult place to play.

497
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was.

498
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 1: That was really cool. I think, you know, I remember

499
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: walking out into you know, into the stadium and just wondering,

500
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: like thing myself, like, man, that first I knew what

501
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: the flate first play was gonna be. It was coming

502
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: to me. I'll hit her out into the boundary, and

503
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if I'm going to

504
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: run off the ball, like I might just freeze, Like

505
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: please don't freeze, Please don't like please just ling you out.

506
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: But yeah, I was. I was so nervous going into

507
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: that game. And then once you start playing, it's like, hey,

508
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: once you run out the field for the first time.

509
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: Every everything else just goes away, all the butterflies, everything

510
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: is like, no, this is just the same game I've

511
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: been playing my entire life, and you just go out

512
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: there and do what you've taught yourself to do over

513
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: and over and over again, and you're you know, the

514
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: you know, subconscious takes over and you're just playing ball.

515
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: So that was really fun, though I actually started tramping it.

516
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: I didn't even play the second half of that game

517
00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: because it was so hot and so wow. It was brutal,

518
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: So I have the entire second half. The team doctor

519
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: was trying to get an IV in my arm. I'm

520
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: just I'm sitting up there in our locker room, blood

521
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 1: streaming down both my arms because we can't get the

522
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 1: you can't get the IV set.

523
00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 3: Oh my god. It was.

524
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a disaster, but it was a it

525
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: was It was a pretty cool experience though, just being

526
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: able to have some success there. And obviously Vernon Adams quarterback,

527
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 1: had an unbelievable game, end up end up beating my

528
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 1: feature teammates Sean Manyon and Bran Cooks down there in Corbellis.

529
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, not only an unbelievable game, an unbelievable season for

530
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: you guys. Eight to Zerine Conference eleven and three. You

531
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: win the Big Sky Title, you personally unanimous first team

532
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 2: All Big Sky Freshmen of the Year. You set FCS

533
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: records for receptions, yards, touchdowns. You win the Jerry Rice Award. Basically,

534
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 2: you crush it. I crushed tacos and uh yeah, the

535
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: first freshman wide receiver to be named an All Americans

536
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 2: since Randy Moss. I mean, as a you, no one

537
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: offered you a scholarship. Yeah, and you you know you're

538
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: still five to four and one nineteen if I have

539
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 2: that right at that time. I mean, this must be

540
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 2: so gratifying to you as a kid who I assume

541
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 2: have been told one way or the other, at least passively,

542
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: know that this is not something that you're gonna do.

543
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: And you finish that freshman year and realize not only

544
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 2: can you compete in conference at Eastern Washington, but make

545
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 2: an impact and a name for yourself throughout all of

546
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: college football. Eventually, junior year, you win the Walter Payton Award.

547
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: Like this has got to be incredible for you. Yeah, yeah,

548
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: it was.

549
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: I think the it's really hard for me to look

550
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: back on things, especially in the present moment you finish

551
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,239
Speaker 1: the season and try to reflect on what the season was.

552
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: I typically lean towards this mindset of being like, you know,

553
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: that was, like what happened. There's so many things that

554
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: have to go right, especially a receiver. There's so much

555
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: that has to happen before you even get a chance

556
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: to have the ball thrown your way. And even then

557
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: you have to have done your job well enough to

558
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: be open to be in a position to make a play.

559
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: And I think I everything they make the play. The

560
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: mindset I've taken every year is, you know, there's so

561
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 1: much luck inball, like you got lucky. You have to

562
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: work harder to make sure that you can do this again,

563
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: that you like put yourself in, like give yourself a

564
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: better opportunity, because if if I can win every single time,

565
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: then when all the other stuff comes together, and the

566
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: guys block up front, quarterback takes a good drop, makes

567
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: a good read, the running back picks up his you know,

568
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: his protection. If I'm open every single time, then we've

569
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: got a chance. And you know, I've given myself a

570
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: chance to go and make a play. And so that's

571
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: been my mindset all the way through. It makes it

572
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: hard to ever feel like, uh, you look back and like,

573
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: oh man, I have done so much or have accomplished

574
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: so much. Account just feels like a there's more you

575
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: can do, There's more you can there's a there's better

576
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: out there as a player, you know, and that it

577
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: helps me keep that keep that perspective and keeps me

578
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 1: from becoming complacent. And you know, I just don't love

579
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: the I don't love being stagnant at all. Like the

580
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: stagnancy thing, like guys get so comfortable with what they've

581
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 1: done that they feel like that's enough, and that's never

582
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: going to be my thing. And you touched on all

583
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: the doubters and people that want to tell you one

584
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: thing or another of like you've alluded to my entire life,

585
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: it's been my goals were too high all the way through.

586
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: I remember I got to Eastern. Within within like two

587
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: weeks of being at Eastern, I heard that a coach

588
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: had shared that I was never going to play a

589
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: down for Eastern Washington. And you know that was as

590
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 1: as I had just arrived, getting ready to you know,

591
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: go into that first year, and so even you know,

592
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: all this stuff that it's just you know, tune all

593
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: that stuff out and say this is I know what

594
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: I've done, I know who I am, and I'm just

595
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: gonna go out there and be the best version of

596
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: me over and over and over again. And that's gonna

597
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: be good enough. I know that the work that I've done,

598
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: things that I've done, that's gonna be good enough. And

599
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: anything that's out, anything else is outside of my control.

600
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: You ended up not playing running back for the Trojans,

601
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 2: but it sounds like everything else eventually worked itself out

602
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: as you had dreamed early on when you're there at

603
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 2: Eastern Washington, Like, at what point do you realize you

604
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: have a you have a real shot to not just

605
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 2: play but play impactfully in the NFL? Like, right, did

606
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: you never like this is gonna happen from day one

607
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: moment one? Or there must have been some time when

608
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: you realized, oh wow, Like yes, right.

609
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's there's there are probably two moments.

610
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: There's like the dream, like I didn't dream about getting

611
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: to the NFL, you know, Okay, for the moment that

612
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 1: it was like I'm doing this. The dream wasn't I'm

613
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: going to play in the NFL. The dream was like

614
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: making the plays in the NFL. It was like doing

615
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: the thing, like really doing the things as a kid,

616
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: like you don't you don't dream about just getting to

617
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: the NBA. You dream about, you know, hitting the game

618
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: winning shot in the you know, the finals, right, and

619
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: so that's kind of like as a kid, like, no,

620
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:15,959
Speaker 1: that's what I'm going to do. Then there. I think

621
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: there's a moment of when you are in the NFL

622
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: of like the confirmation of like I can play at

623
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: this level and the belief in yourself that you can

624
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: play and do what you want to do. And I

625
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: think that happens early and that's like you get out

626
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: there and it's like, now I know who I am.

627
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: I don't know any of these guys that I'm on

628
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: the field with at this point, but I know who

629
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: I am. And within the first practice like, okay, no,

630
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: this is the same. This is the same game that

631
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: I've been playing my entire life. It's the same game

632
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: I was playing in college, same while I was playing

633
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: all the way back down to Pop Warner. The guys

634
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: are just a little bit bigger, a little faster, little stronger,

635
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 1: and I'm still five four one nine. Team.

636
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 2: Well, you had some pretty good folks there with you

637
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: when you got to the Rams. Sean McVeigh as a

638
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: new head coach. Jared golf is in his second year there.

639
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: You've got Aaron and Donald. Tell me a little bit

640
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: about your friendship with with Jared Goff. You guys, we

641
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: were close, right, roommates early on in your career.

642
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: Is that right? Yes?

643
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 1: Because so when we got I trained down Orange County

644
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: and we got when I got drafted, we were in

645
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: Orange County. So then I got drafted, I just drove

646
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: through La up to you know, a thousand Oaks, and

647
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Jared was nice enough to less basically crash at his

648
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: house my wife and I until we figured out what

649
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: we were going to do in terms of getting you know,

650
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 1: renting a house or staying at the team hotel, which

651
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: is what we end up doing for a while. But

652
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: you know, he was nice opened his home up to us,

653
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: and he was my first intro into you know, the offense,

654
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: into all the stuff around here in terms of just like, hey,

655
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: this is just the area, showing me around. So really

656
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: thankful for him and his you know, welcoming, welcoming me

657
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: and my family with open arms, and and we were

658
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: able to grow together, you know, because we were both there.

659
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: That year was Shawn's first year, so everyone's learning the

660
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: offense at the same time. We're all figuring it out

661
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: and and that was a fun thing to be able

662
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: to have that whole crew be like, man, we get

663
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: to we're building this all together and learning it all together.

664
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: That was think a pretty valuable thing for a receiver

665
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: and a quarterback.

666
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: Still close.

667
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we still talk. We still talk. He's obviously in

668
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: Detroit and he's back and forth all over the place,

669
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: but yeah, we still talk and actually owe him a

670
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: dinner here, So I got.

671
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 3: I think after his new contract, he is you a dinner.

672
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: Now. I'm so happy for him. I'm think about think

673
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: about what he I mean people, people counted him out.

674
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: People and like you, yes, but i mean, really it's

675
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: hard to do in the NFL when you get when

676
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: you're counted out like that. For him to go and

677
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: do what he did in Detroit and earn another contract

678
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: or have, you know, be be so consistent what he

679
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: is and who he is, and show his preper to

680
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: the point that this organization wants to invest in him

681
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: again and say, you know, we're we believe that you're

682
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: the guy and that's such a cool thing, and so

683
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm so pumped for him.

684
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seems like a good guy, seems like a

685
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:13,919
Speaker 2: good guy.

686
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: He's a messy eater. I couldn't eat with him at

687
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: lunch because he's he's a messy eater. I'm sure his

688
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure his fiance. He's gotten that figured out by now,

689
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: Like I almost, dude, I can't eat you got you

690
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: got eating chicken wings and it's like a Caesar salad

691
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: and you've got Seasar dressing on your forehead. I can't

692
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,720
Speaker 1: eat anymore.

693
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty one, your season we do. We call it historic,

694
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: First Team All Pro, Pro Bowl, NFL Offensive Player of

695
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: the Year. You lead the NFL in receptions, yards, touchdowns.

696
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: It's Stafford's first year. Your buddy is gone, but it

697
00:34:54,640 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 2: sounds like you got a new campadre there that, at

698
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: least within the offense, elevates you and allows you to

699
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: get those kind of numbers.

700
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: Now.

701
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: I know Matt, first off, he's an idiot. Okay, let's

702
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: just get that clear right now. Yeah, and I'm better

703
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 2: at golf than he is too. Regardless of what anybody,

704
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: including him says, what was that like for you? I mean,

705
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: getting that those kind of numbers. Now, I know you

706
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 2: expect that of yourself and this is what you've been

707
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 2: doing all of the work for. But everyone thinks that, right,

708
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 2: I mean to get that within that offense. Was there

709
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: something specifically that he was doing within the offense that

710
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: allowed that kind of change to happen?

711
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. You know, there's probably a lot of

712
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: more elegant ways to put this, you know, but it

713
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: was kind of like, you know, it's life when Peanut

714
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Butter met Jelly. You know, it was just like Peb

715
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: and Jay. Yeah, it's like Pambe's and Jim. It was

716
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: honestly like it was like this is going to be good,

717
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: you know, the way we're seeing things, the timing.

718
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 3: The way that you saw it right away.

719
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Oh, right away. It was like this is going to

720
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: be really good just in terms of the Yeah, like

721
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: I said, the way we see the game. I don't

722
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: know what you want to put the chemistry is what

723
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: people say whatever that wherever the chemistry is. Uh, we

724
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: just we had it and it's been it's been fun

725
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: kind of growing in that, you know, because he he

726
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: came in and he had obviously played such good football

727
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: and played so much. He you know, he's had so

728
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: many different offensive coordinators, like he could he can show

729
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: you what any team that like he's calling other teams

730
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: plays out for him because he's had so many offenses

731
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: that he's run and knows all the verbiage of all

732
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: this different stuff. And it's like having that knowledge come

733
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: into our offense now and watching him kind of be

734
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: able to run with the things that we're doing, and

735
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: you know he's his his saying, I'm I'm making sure

736
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: that we're putting up. We got a new facility going in.

737
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: Right behind in the QB room, right behind Matthew's head

738
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: on the wall is gonna be do something sweet because

739
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: that's his Like his mo was like, you know I

740
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: could have made that throw. I want to do something

741
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: sweet and move this guy and no look at and

742
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: hit this you know, running out the back door. And

743
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: you know that to me is the difference between most

744
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and what Matthew does is you know, his ability

745
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: to dictate things and then he wants to hit you

746
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,799
Speaker 1: on the exact right spot where we can you know,

747
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: we're maximizing plays and now we're not just catching getting tackled.

748
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: It's catch and run opportunities and then it's a it's

749
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: a lot of fun to play with a guy like that.

750
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: So Sean McVay is well many have called an offensive

751
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: genius in terms of his scheme or whatever. But do

752
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 2: you think when Matthew came in with his specific set

753
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: of skills and experience in the league as you just referenced,

754
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 2: that that was able to take it up to another level?

755
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 2: Or do you think that Matthew was just the right

756
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: quarterback within mcveigh's system.

757
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: I think Matthew, the way that Matthew processes things, I

758
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: think it challenged Sean to be able to push the

759
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: limits and push the boundaries of what's you know, what's

760
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 1: realistic and what can this? What can you challenge and

761
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 1: stretch the quarterback position to do? And you know, historically,

762
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: I think the you know, the Shanahan tree, which is

763
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: where McMahon McVeigh have came through, are pretty hard on

764
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: quarterbacks already. You know, what Matthew showed what he could

765
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: do and his abilitiar process and all the throws that

766
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: he's able to make and move people has opened up

767
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: Sean's mind as so many other things that you know

768
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 1: are possible, and his ability to innovate and tinker with things,

769
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: and then it's just you know, being able to be

770
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: free to say, hey, that was a mistake, let's not

771
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: do that, and then also being able to collaborate with

772
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: each other and be like you know, as a quarterback

773
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: communicating to a coach, a coach can communicating to the quarterback.

774
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: When when those things, when communications go in both ways,

775
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 1: it makes for some pretty special outcomes, pretty special plays.

776
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 2: I know you were just on my well friend of

777
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 2: the podcast here Julian Edelman's show. You talked about the

778
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 2: NFC Championship game against the Hated by me and I'm

779
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: sure you forty nine ers the Games with Names podcasts.

780
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: You broke it down your performance there eleven catches, one

781
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 2: forty two and two touchdowns leading into Super Bowl fifty

782
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 2: six where you have another monster game and you win

783
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP. This is the culmination for you, right

784
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: of all of that work, of all of that time,

785
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: and you know, being I didn't look up how many

786
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: wide receivers have won Super Bowl MVP, but I know

787
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 2: not a lot, because you know, somebody does have to

788
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 2: get you the ball. You have to be in position,

789
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: and as you talked about before, everybody has to do

790
00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: their job, and you have to continue you your job

791
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 2: to get in a position to then eventually make the play.

792
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: You certainly made a ton of those. I'm sure that

793
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: felt great. I don't have to ask you that question.

794
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: But after achieving that, specifically through that playoff run, that season,

795
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 2: the season you had the win, what motivates you now

796
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 2: to keep working hard?

797
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I think that same thing I kind of

798
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: touched on before. I mean, those moments of getting to

799
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: that point of like winning a super Bowl, right like

800
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 1: the pinnacle of what we talked about as little kids.

801
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 1: You dream of winning that game, You dream of that

802
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: moment and being able to achieve that thing, and then

803
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: you're asking, you know what, what once you've done that,

804
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: what comes after that? And to me, I think, having

805
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 1: experienced that, those moments, while those like memories are incredible

806
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: and I'll always cherish the memories and like what it

807
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: was like after that celebrating with all the guys with

808
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: my family, that those feelings are so fleeting, They're so fleeting,

809
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: and to chase after that would be such an empty

810
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: and hollow thing. To chase after these small like glimpses

811
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: of these small moments of feelings like, you know, the

812
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: next day, I'm giving my kids a bath, you know,

813
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: at you know, seven point thirty, trying to get these

814
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: guys to like calm down and go to sleep, you know,

815
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: so they don't know any difference, Like that's just what

816
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: we're doing. And it's like it's back to life, you know,

817
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: back to your your I'm dad, you know, I'm I'm

818
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: a husband and so you know, for me, I look

819
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: back on those moments and be like, it wasn't those

820
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: moments that I want again. It's that problem. It's that

821
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: whole season, that whole like the work that was put

822
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: in and the amount of collaboration, the highs the lows,

823
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: like the amount of times we're in the office and

824
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: you know, times are rough, and it's like, man, we

825
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: can meet each other here and fix some problems and

826
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: enjoy each other's company and you know, being able to

827
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: walk alongside guys and that whole thing out. It's like, man,

828
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 1: this whole package of memories of like moments of relationships.

829
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: That is what I'm like, Man, this is why I

830
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: love to do this. I get to be I get

831
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: to be impacted and impact so many people throughout the

832
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: course of the season, and I love that I get

833
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: to I look back on that. I want that instead

834
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: of these tiny moments, these fleeting moments, no matter high,

835
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: how high or how low they were, I want those moments.

836
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: And you know, you get to the I don't like

837
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: to use the analogy of the mountaintop. You get to

838
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: the mountaintop, you look out, guess what, there's another mountaintop.

839
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 1: If you didn't enjoy the climb up to that thing,

840
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: you enjoy toiling, you know, with with your guys to

841
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: get to the top of that thing, you know, then

842
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to go after that next mountain.

843
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: But if you enjoyed that climb, if you enjoyed the

844
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 1: relationships that were built and all the things that came

845
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: from that that you know, process of getting there, you

846
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: see that mountain top and you're excited because that's like, man,

847
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: we get to do this again. We get to go

848
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: to another one. And you know, I kind of that's

849
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: that's how I kind of take, you know, my approach

850
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: into every one of these seasons.

851
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 2: Well, you know, of course, you want to win every year,

852
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 2: but here here's the general reality. And I know that statistically,

853
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: I know I'm right It's really hard to go back

854
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: to back in a way because the NFL is cyclical,

855
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 2: and the reality is is that once you have gotten

856
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 2: to that mountaintop, you have you know, thirty other teams

857
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: that are trying to that are they're literally scheming against.

858
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 3: What you're doing.

859
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: But with the coaches, with the preparation, with the specific players,

860
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 2: it feels like you can make another run. Now, Matthew

861
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 2: had some injuries, You had some injury issues last year,

862
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: and it feels to.

863
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: Me like we're cycling back.

864
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: It feels like you got another exciting young player, Puka

865
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 2: Nakua that you know. Unfortunately, you guys just weren't on

866
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 2: the field at the same time a lot of the time.

867
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 2: But I I I see some big things for you guys,

868
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: and I know Big Matt wants to make another run,

869
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

870
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've got we've got the we've got the pieces.

871
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: And that's the fun thing about this point of the

872
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: season is, you know, everyone's the excitement for everyone is

873
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: like man, this we've got something here and we get

874
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: to now get into camp and like, man, what could

875
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: this season be? But it is exciting and and you know,

876
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: there's so much that comes into the involved the season

877
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: that was staying healthy is obviously a huge part of it,

878
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: just as collectively as a team we talking about twenty

879
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: twenty two coming off of twenty one, we couldn't really

880
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: even hold OTAs because we had so many guys on

881
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: our roster after that long season that just weren't healthy

882
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: enough to be able to do a full OTAs. You

883
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: guys were just beat up heading into that season, and uh,

884
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 1: and then it obviously trickles in and like guys start

885
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: going down. You know, we had I can't remember what

886
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: it was, something your fifteen different offensive line variations. Uh,

887
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: it was just like it was it was. It was nuts,

888
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: But I do I'm I'm man. We've got such a

889
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: good group of guys, young guys and guys with experience,

890
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: and everyone's really hungry and excited to get after the

891
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: things here.

892
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: I hear you're a pretty big fan of the Office.

893
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: I am a very big fan of the Office.

894
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: Really, do you think you're the I mean, it's too

895
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: bad we're not still shooting. You know. I've been known

896
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: to get people on the show who I.

897
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 1: Didn't know that you were the one that that was

898
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: pulling those strings.

899
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: I got one of your competitors on and he'll admit it,

900
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: so I can say it's been told before.

901
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: You got Aaron on.

902
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

903
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, So if I had known, if I had known,

904
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: you know, well, I mean I guess when we were shooting,

905
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 2: wasn't really gonna happen. Maybe we'll go back, Maybe we'll

906
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 2: go back for another episode or something, and I can

907
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 2: get you on if you go.

908
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,799
Speaker 1: If you guys go back and you don't at least ask,

909
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: I might never talk to you again.

910
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 3: Ask you to be on the show, or to come

911
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: visit and say hi.

912
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: Asked to be like if you have to run it

913
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: by the producers and be like, hey, I'm not going

914
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 1: to say I'm the biggest fan, because I know that

915
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: there's some crazy people out there that are bigger fans.

916
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: But you know.

917
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: Crazy crazy meaning good, crazy meaning good to yeah, go ahead.

918
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: And crazy meaning bad there. But I will say this,

919
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: just like RAMS fans exactly. There's there's the good ones

920
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: and the bad ones. Okay, them all the same. But

921
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: we've watched it, my wife, and I'm not going to

922
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: exact it. We've watched it from beginning to end at

923
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: least seven times, so I've got pretty good that's just

924
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: my wife and I so I sleeping. Like you know,

925
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 1: we met in twenty twelve. There's time before that that.

926
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 3: We were rolling favorite episode.

927
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: So you know this is this is this might be

928
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: this is a hot take. What's the what's the what's

929
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: everyone's least favorite episode?

930
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 2: I hope you say something because I got a story

931
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: for it. What what I would say that Scott's Tots.

932
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 1: Is everyone's least favorite episode? If you go back, it

933
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: is so funny, Like every moment that.

934
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you said this. I'm I'm shouting out.

935
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 2: I don't do you know this. I just got something

936
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: in the mail breaking news right now. I have not

937
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 2: met him. He's gonna come. I've been told he's gonna

938
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: come on the podcast. Here Donovan Mitchell, have you seen this?

939
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: He has shoes Don's Tots. I just got them here.

940
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 2: I would show them to you before we're done here,

941
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 2: I'll go and get them. I'll I just took him

942
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 2: out of the box yesterday. He's got sweatshirts.

943
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: So yours is Scott's totsy. It's hard, like we have

944
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,399
Speaker 1: to prepare ourselves. Like we get together, we say hey,

945
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna we need to pray before we head into this.

946
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: Watch this episode because it hurts our heart. It hurts

947
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: our heart watching what Michael Michael did to those poor kids.

948
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: But the episode all the other is so good. It's

949
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: so good, but it is I wasn't doing that one.

950
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: I go product recall because the opening for you know,

951
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: product recalls is electric And that's the Bears beats Battle

952
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: Star Galactica opening.

953
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would get this. It is always attributed to

954
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 3: Dwight Shrut, but Dwight never.

955
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 2: Says beats Battlestar Galactica.

956
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 1: Because his identity was stolen.

957
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 3: Because identity was stolen.

958
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: Identity.

959
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: That's so, that's that's your that's your favorite opening.

960
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my favorite opening, I'd say, But Scott's thoughts

961
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: is like, and what should be my favorite opening?

962
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 3: That's fine, that's fine. Everybody has choices. Everybody gets to

963
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 3: make choices. I mean, it's no, it's a great one.

964
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 1: Chilly one is awesome. The Chili one is so good.

965
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 3: It felt like you were No, I'm not that felt

966
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 3: like I'm gonna be honest.

967
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 1: With you, patronizing you either on this. It's it's legitimately

968
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 1: so I sent you, We sent you some coffee beans.

969
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 2: Yes, we're about to discuss the coffee Dodo coffee you've

970
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 2: just started.

971
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: I know, I'm excited about it.

972
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: Did you Okay on a few from the box yet,

973
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: But there's a note I.

974
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 3: Don't have it yet.

975
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 2: Oh all right, Well you can don't spoil a surprise,

976
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 2: or you can, because otherwise it won't for you.

977
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 1: You know, you know a little reference to the to

978
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: the to the beans in there you go. I was

979
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: gonna go like I didn't want to. I didn't want

980
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: to overdo the office references since you since you brought

981
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: it up and started with a well well, well well.

982
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:56,280
Speaker 2: I was told you were you were a big fan

983
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: fan of the show, so I got I'm gonna this

984
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: is either going to impress the world and your wife

985
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 2: or not. You know I I when people tell me

986
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: they're big fans of the show, when people pull the

987
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 2: trivia card. I have one one question and one question only.

988
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 3: Are you ready?

989
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 1: Okay?

990
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: Are you ready for it? You're going to fail, I

991
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: can tell you already.

992
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: I want to answer this question right so badly. Do

993
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: you know what the question is about? I don't want

994
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: to let you down here.

995
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the only question I ever asked, I heard

996
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: it one time. You ready for one million fictional shoot bucks?

997
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 3: Yes? What is Gabe Lewis's middle name?

998
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 1: Oh, gave Lewis's middle name? I have no idea what

999
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:49,440
Speaker 1: gave Lewis's middle name is Gabe? What is it?

1000
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: He says it? Gabriel Susan Lewis Susanna.

1001
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:57,319
Speaker 1: You know.

1002
00:50:58,960 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: Me.

1003
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: No, I would have never known that. It's just the

1004
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 2: question I ask, so now I know it. I would

1005
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: never have known that.

1006
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm so upset that I couldn't get that one for you.

1007
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all right. Many many have failed. The other question.

1008
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: The only other question that I ask people is occasionally

1009
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 3: people will come up to me with a particular T

1010
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 3: shirt on.

1011
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: Yes, the the.

1012
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: Fun Run T shirt? Oh yeah, Meredith Palmer.

1013
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 2: Yes, And so I ask them to their face do

1014
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 2: you usually wear clothes that you don't know?

1015
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 3: What?

1016
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 2: They say, and they're confused, and then I block them

1017
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 2: and I say, what does your shirts say? That's a

1018
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 2: zero percent?

1019
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,720
Speaker 3: That is no what has gotten?

1020
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: And I couldn't do that right now either, By the way,

1021
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: Meredith Palmer memorial Michael Scott's.

1022
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 3: Yeah Anyway, Fun Run for the Cure, Fun Run for

1023
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: the cure.

1024
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: I think it ends with that. Uh you mentioned it,

1025
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 2: I'll mention it now, Dodo Coffee. Where did this come from?

1026
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: This has been something that we've talk about in our

1027
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: family to do for a while, and the opportunity came

1028
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: up to just send.

1029
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: It and we did.

1030
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: And then as we started building up, it was going

1031
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,959
Speaker 1: to be just like, hey, let's just do a little

1032
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: coffee shop to hey, let's roast her own coffee. Oh

1033
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: and then once we start roasting our dude, it's like, hey,

1034
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure out. He's a biology background. He's like,

1035
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just figure out this roasting thing. First roast

1036
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: he does comes in grades at ninety two out of

1037
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: one hundred on the Q grade, which is a phenomenally

1038
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: graded coffee.

1039
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:38,720
Speaker 3: I don't know what a Q grade is, but ninety

1040
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: two sounds good good.

1041
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 1: Ninety two is very good. Okay, So like, shoot, we've

1042
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: got something really good here. You know, I don't know

1043
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: if you knew this. So if you little coffee shop

1044
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: that roaster own coffee. Most coffee shops that are giving

1045
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: you the coffee that right the breist is giving you

1046
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: the coffee. They're giving you their lowest graded stuff their cheapest,

1047
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: say because he's they're gonna sell their best stuff. It's

1048
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,879
Speaker 1: it costs them more to give you the good stuff,

1049
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: because the latte costs six dollars whether they use the

1050
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: really good beans or their bad beans, right, but their

1051
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: good beans are gonna cost some more.

1052
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 2: Wait, so you're selling that. You're saying, they they sell

1053
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: beans in the bag that are that are good, but

1054
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 2: they give me.

1055
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: It will give you the lower tier of their coffee.

1056
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: Why would they make lower tier?

1057
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: This is standard practice? Well, just because you know, not

1058
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: everyone like they make a wide range. Like, hey, we're

1059
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 1: gonna sell this coffee that's you know, wherever twenty five dollars,

1060
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: we're gonna sell this one is twenty, this one's be fifteen.

1061
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: They're giving you the fifteen dollars.

1062
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: Is it more expensive to make higher.

1063
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 1: It's it's usually sourcing, like it costs more green beans.

1064
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: But at Dodo Coffee co. You come to our brick

1065
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: and mortar, you're getting the best stuff. We're not giving

1066
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,320
Speaker 1: you anything less than our Dodo Blend, which is the highest,

1067
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: greatest stuff that we have. And you know, so that's

1068
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: a little bit different. We want to be like high quality.

1069
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 1: You want to give you guys, people come to our shops.

1070
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: You want to be a great experience. So Dodo Coffee

1071
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,440
Speaker 1: co brick and mortars in northwest Arkansas.

1072
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 3: And then why why in I saw that? Why why

1073
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 3: in Arkansas?

1074
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: That's where my wife's family all live.

1075
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 3: Got it.

1076
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's where they're at. So that's the

1077
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 1: where the brick and mortar is. There'll be more coming.

1078
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: We're gonna strategically place them. You know, a few really

1079
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: cool spots around the country.

1080
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 3: Like in my neighborhood.

1081
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: Maybe where are you, where you're at, what's your address?

1082
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: I'll give it to you later. That's incread. I love

1083
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 2: that story. Yeah, and so you're committed to doing it different. Yeah,

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00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 2: we're doing We're doing different. And then we're gonna you know,

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00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 2: we got a website coming coming up here that just launched.

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00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 2: Got some good coffee coming out. We got some stuff

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00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: from Hawaii.

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Speaker 1: We've got some stuff from the Dodo Blyn which is

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00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: a Columbia Brazil combination of mix. We got some single

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00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: origins from Mexico, from Guatemala, a single origin decaf from Columbia.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you guys should really check it out.

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Speaker 3: That's it. So do you have where where is your

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00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 3: espresso beans? From?

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Speaker 1: The espresso beans are the Columbia and Brazil mix. That's

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Speaker 1: the Dodo blend, which is which are leaned towards an espresso.

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00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: If you like doing espresso, that's the ones that that

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Speaker 1: would get. They also do great. It's a it's a

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00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: great drip as well, but the Guatemala is specifically made

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Speaker 1: for a drip. And some cold brew. We've got some

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00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: good cold brew stuff. We have good, we have some options.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm literally drinking a coffee right now

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00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: from my favorite I like to buy. You know what

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,440
Speaker 2: you this is what you need to sign me. You

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00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: send me from your brick and mortar, because I promise

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Speaker 2: I actually semi collect this. I like the I like

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Speaker 2: the is espresso. So when I go to a place,

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Speaker 2: I really like this one is. Uh.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm suddenly giving them an ad

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00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 3: Cobrick in New York City is my favorite place in

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Speaker 3: New York City.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I buy up, I buy up what do you call it?

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00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 2: A glass to have it home? Yeah, and I and

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00:55:59,880 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 2: I collect them at home and it makes me feel

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00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: like I'm there. Like the mugs, Yeah, a mug or

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00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: a glass star. Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean you

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00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: don't have to. I'm just saying I would appreciate. I

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00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 2: don't know when the next time I'm going to be

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00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 2: in Northwest Arkansas is, but when you put one down

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Speaker 2: the block from me, boom roasted roasted nice?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Dodo Coffee spelled d O d Ocoffee dot co. Or

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Speaker 2: you can check them out at d O d O

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Speaker 2: Coffee Co. On Instagram and the TikTok Are you making

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00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 2: TikTok videos?

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00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 3: I'm a new TikTok star. I don't know if you've heard.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not know. I'm not. I don't. I'm

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Speaker 1: not a big TikTok person.

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Speaker 2: So, uh do you know when I became a big

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00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: TikTok person? When I became a TikTok star like ten

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00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 2: days ago. So that's that's why it started.

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Speaker 1: For me through what was your breakthrough a video?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, I don't, I don't. I don't underst stand it.

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00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: I don't know. I have a new cookbook that just

1136
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: came out. Ooh, maybe we can make some stuff at

1137
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: at your brick and mortar there. I posted a video

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00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 2: of myself making ribs and suddenly I seventeen million people

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00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: watched it. Don't have any idea, don't.

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00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: Know through it. So is it all laid out in

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00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: the TikTok video.

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00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 3: It's all laid out in the TikTok video.

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00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go washing on therapy. Can you

1144
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: just tell me about it? What's your what's your.

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00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: Tell you about the video? Like, describe the video.

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Speaker 1: And what's your secret? What's like the there's good ribs,

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00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: and there's something that you do that takes us to

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00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: the next level?

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00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 3: What do you want to Honestly, do you want to

1150
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 3: know what it is? I mean, I can.

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Speaker 2: I can talk about my genius and I am a

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00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: genius on the on the smoker there. But the biggest,

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00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: biggest piece of advice, it's not about ribs. It's not

1154
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 2: about the sauce. It's about the meat. By high quality

1155
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 2: meat always for everything, especially for ribs, because really, you

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00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 2: go to a you go to a chain restaurant, what

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00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 2: are you getting? You're getting leather with a ton of sauce.

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00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: And then when you're when you leave, what do you say.

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00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: You don't say, oh my gosh, that meat was so

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00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 2: tender and juicy and delicious. You say, oh, I love

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00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:15,919
Speaker 2: that sauce. Yeah, I'm with you, right, No, that makes

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00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: a ton of sense. I'm I'm a big barbecue guy.

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00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: Barbecue is like my favorite. Oh so, if there's a

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00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: pole pork sandwich on the menu at any restaurant ever, breakfast, lunch,

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00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: or dinner, I'm ordering a pole pork sandwich, and then

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00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 2: I'm ordering whatever I was gonna get, and I'm eating

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00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 2: that pullpork sandwich.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't count. Doesn't count for.

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Speaker 3: My meal cole slaw on it.

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00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's all right, half tabpoles.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna send you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna send you one of my cookbooks because, by

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00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:46,680
Speaker 2: the way, it's a barbecue cookbook. I mean this, this relate.

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00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm drinking coffee, we're talking barbecue. This is the start

1175
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 2: of a beautiful relationship. When when are you inviting me

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Speaker 2: to a game?

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Speaker 1: Whenever you want to come? What game? What game you

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00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: want to come to? You let me know a game

1179
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: you want them to and we'll make it happen. You

1180
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: set up with my family.

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00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,040
Speaker 3: I don't like I don't like bothering you guys. I

1182
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 3: don't like bothering you.

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00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: I would I was gonna say, let me know so

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00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,440
Speaker 1: I can minimize how much family because I don't want

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00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: I said, we're an office family. I don't want you

1186
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: to get costed the well, we'll get a nice sweep

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00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,520
Speaker 1: for you, and you know it'll be it'll be a

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00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: nice spot. You want to come to a game, you

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Speaker 1: let me know.

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Speaker 2: All right, I would love to do it. Uh you

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00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 2: you're watch this, ladies and gentlemen. Your office is probably

1192
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: the nicest office in the NFL, for sure, Sofi Stadium.

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00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 2: It's a great place, great place to watch a game,

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00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: very very lucky lucky man there. Uh congratulations, Oh you

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00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 2: have you have you have the Packers coming to town

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Speaker 2: this year.

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Speaker 3: You don't have to go out into the cold.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 3: I heard McVeigh was complaining last year about that.

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't know what Matt Lafleur did make us

1201
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: go to Bay multiple years. We were in Green Bay

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Speaker 1: for it's like four or five years in a row.

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Speaker 3: I know.

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01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: And for whatever reason, it was like the same week

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Speaker 2: and I was always there. Oh did you see me

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Speaker 2: sing roll out the barrel?

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Speaker 3: There?

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Speaker 2: No, I didn't one of your Uh yeah you were districted,

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01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: you were actually working. I think it was two years

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Speaker 2: it wasn't last year. You were there last year too.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't there last year, it was two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Gotcha roll out the barrel. Good luck on the season,

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, and good luck with Dodo Coffee.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get the beans here. I promise

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Speaker 2: you there and here here's here's the other thing you've

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Speaker 2: taught me. When I show up at my favorite coffee

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Speaker 2: shop here before well, my favorite coffee shop now before

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Speaker 2: Dodo opens up a place around the corner. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: this is what I'm gonna do tomorrow. I promise you this.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to show up and I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: order my latte and I'm gonna make them open up

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Speaker 2: a pack kids of their bagged beans and see what

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Speaker 2: happens good.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, and say, hey, don't give me, don't give me

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Speaker 1: that stuff on the bottom shelf. I want the top shelves.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk. I want the top shelf stuff. Well,

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Speaker 2: you know me, I'm always top shelf. H Cooper. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna do it. We're gonna shoot some hoops, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: play some golf. We're gonna drink some coffee and make

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Speaker 2: some barbecue. And then check out a game. Have a great,

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Speaker 2: great season this year. All right, I know you're back

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Speaker 2: to work now, very very soon. Good luck this year

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Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Man. All right, thanks.

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Speaker 2: Cooper, so fun talking to you. Thank you for everything.

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Speaker 2: Good luck this year. I expect the Rams to have

1238
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Speaker 2: a very successful season. And thank you very much for

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01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 2: the coffee delivery. That's right, I just had a shot

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Speaker 2: of espresso.

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Speaker 3: Listeners. The coffee's good. It's very good. I do recommend

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01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 3: you try it.

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Speaker 2: Stay awake, stay alert, stay out of trouble, and until

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Speaker 2: next time, everybody, have a great week. Off the Beat

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Speaker 2: is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside

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01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: our executive producer lingg Lee. Our senior producer is Diego Tapia.

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Speaker 2: Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris and Emily Carr.

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Speaker 2: Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary, and our intern

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Speaker 2: is Ali Amir Sahim. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak,

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Speaker 2: performed by the one and Only Creed Brag