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Speaker 2: Have a jam pack show for you guys today. We're

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Speaker 2: gonna hit both of the national TV games briefly from

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Speaker 2: mail bags throughout the rest of the season. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's talk some basketball again. Just gonna be quick hitters

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Speaker 2: on the National TV slate. Last night, we had a

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Speaker 2: then we'll get into our mail bag. Really a dominant

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Speaker 2: start to finish performance from the Cavs on the road

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Speaker 2: in Philly last night. It's a tough matchup for the

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Speaker 2: Sixers on several levels. For starters, I thought Jared Allen

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Speaker 2: you leave embad open on those or give him a

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Speaker 2: he's gonna go to those rip through moves. But then

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Speaker 2: And so when Tyraese Maxey is flying off of that screen,

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Speaker 2: Jared Allen did a phenomenal job in both of those

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Speaker 2: He was downright flustering him bid closing that gap, forced

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Speaker 2: He really carried the offense in that early stretch when

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Speaker 2: I thought they were both fantastic last night in that

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Speaker 2: And I just thought that that really kind of was

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Speaker 2: There's not too much to really get into them in

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Speaker 2: They're officially in full tank mode. But I do think

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Speaker 2: last night was yet another example of just how gifted

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Speaker 2: Jamal Murray, Aaron Gordon, and Peyton Watson are offensively, specifically

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Speaker 2: that they're all better than they've ever been on that

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Speaker 2: them as a playoff scoring team. Again, when you get

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Speaker 2: just possession to possession, attention to detail. Openings are harder

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Speaker 2: these like smaller advantages that you need high level offensive

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: He's with Max Kellerman.

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Speaker 2: paid player. You're gonna have to even boot like boost

432
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: that with more salary going out in order to bring

433
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,480
Speaker 2: back the players that you need in order to boost

434
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,520
Speaker 2: your rotation, So he doesn't really make a ton of

435
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: sense as like a trade chip right now anyway. And

436
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,120
Speaker 2: then two, whatever you get back is going to come

437
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,680
Speaker 2: at the deficit of what Austin brought to this team.

438
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: And again, like I know, Lebron and Luca have been

439
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: grinding out a handful of wins during this run, but

440
00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 2: since Austin, since Austin's been out this season, and he's

441
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 2: been out several different points, the team has struggled. Why

442
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,320
Speaker 2: Because Austin is a good defensive player, who's been a

443
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,879
Speaker 2: great catch and shoot player this year, who is one

444
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 2: of their most consistent drivers of the basketball. He is

445
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 2: incredibly important to this team on both ends of the floor.

446
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 2: I know it's disappointing that he's one of their better

447
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,080
Speaker 2: defenders from a roster construction standpoint, but he just is.

448
00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 2: He's a guy that is in the right spot, that

449
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 2: has good game playing discipline, that's super competitive, that has

450
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,160
Speaker 2: a good motor, who plays hard a lot of the time,

451
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,480
Speaker 2: and yeah, you can get a little physically overwhelmed some time,

452
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 2: just like every other skill guard in the entire NBA.

453
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:51,560
Speaker 2: But he does his job on that end of the

454
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: floor and on the other end, he plays with pace,

455
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 2: he gets two feet in the paint all the time.

456
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 2: This season, has been one of the most efficient shot

457
00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: creators in the entire NBA. Think about this earlier, Like

458
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 2: you know, Jamal Murray, Cannon should be viewed as a

459
00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 2: better player right now because of his playoff resume, but

460
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: like to me, Austin is trending towards that class of player.

461
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: Austin is the kind of guy like what Jamal Murray

462
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:18,160
Speaker 2: is this year, who's like a bona fide number two

463
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: offensive option who can also cleanly slide up into a

464
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 2: number one and carry a team offensively when he needs to.

465
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 2: We saw him multiple times this year go for forty

466
00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: fifty forty, like just putting up big numbers when he

467
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,720
Speaker 2: puts when he takes on a larger offensive role. He

468
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 2: is simply one of the very best offensive players in

469
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,320
Speaker 2: the league. And so if you trade him, the type

470
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: of talent you'd have to get back to make that

471
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 2: trade off worth it is enormous, and so I have

472
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: I'm yet to see a trade other than like getting Giannis,

473
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,680
Speaker 2: which again I don't even think Luca and Yanis are

474
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: this like super clean fit on the offensive end of

475
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: the floor. I think they get I think they're guarded

476
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 2: by similar types of players, and I think that that

477
00:22:56,280 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 2: makes them switchable, which makes it tough, right. But Giannis

478
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 2: would be like the only guy where I'd be like, yeah,

479
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 2: I get it, you gotta send out Austin Reeves for

480
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 2: that guy. But no, I wouldn't trade Austin Reeves for

481
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: Jared Jackson. No, I wouldn't trade him for Trey Murphy

482
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 2: and Herb Jones. I wouldn't trade him because as soon

483
00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 2: as Lebron retires, you need to have a clear number

484
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: two for Luca, and to me, Austin is that guy

485
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 2: right now and until somebody can present a better option

486
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 2: for the secondary ball handler off of Luca, I don't

487
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 2: see the point in viewing Austin as anything other than

488
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: a foundational piece for this team moving forward. How would

489
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 2: you feel about the Warriors doing a trade with Miami

490
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,240
Speaker 2: where they get Wiggins back along with Norman Powell. I

491
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: believe the Warriors would send out Kaminga, Moody and Healed

492
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,600
Speaker 2: along with a couple of picks, and I think this

493
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: would add two upgrades to the roster. It allows Wiggins

494
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 2: to slide into the starting two guard spot. And you

495
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 2: would have bench scoring between Powell and Melton. Warriors probably

496
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 2: don't trade for MPJ because they'd like to buy low

497
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: and Powell's on an expiring contract. So the triggy thing

498
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: here is if you were to get Wiggins in Powell,

499
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 2: that's like almost fifty million in salary, And so when

500
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: you're sending out you know you're going to like you

501
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 2: basically have to include like a Draymond Green in a contract.

502
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: In a deal like that in order to match salary

503
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 2: just gets really difficult just in a vacuum. I like

504
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 2: the idea in the sense that I like Wiggins. I

505
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 2: personally want Wiggins to go to the Lakers, like I'm

506
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: a big Wiggins fan, and Norman Powell would be just

507
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 2: like a perfect fit in the Golden State system. Is

508
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: like a off ball guard in their system alongside Steph,

509
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: but also a guy that can kind of maintain some

510
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,119
Speaker 2: scheme consistency when Steph is off the floor running a

511
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 2: lot of the same actions. Like I think that'd be great,

512
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: But just when you start to piece it all together

513
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of matching salary, it just gets extremely complicated.

514
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,879
Speaker 2: And one of the things too, is like when you

515
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 2: start to think about that Michael Porter junior piece. I

516
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 2: think he slots in as like a clear kind of

517
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: fifth starter type of guy, alongside of Jimmy, alongside of Draymond,

518
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,359
Speaker 2: alongside of Steph Curry. And whether it ends up being

519
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 2: the Anthony Melton whoever it is in the long run,

520
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: I think it makes a lot of sense.

521
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Speaker 1: I would.

522
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,239
Speaker 2: I just I don't like that deal as much as

523
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: I would a Michael Porter junior trade in this instance.

524
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: Next question, This is a really simple question, but I

525
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: think it's interesting. What traits do a player need? Does

526
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 2: a player need to be a superstar like aunt Man

527
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: or Shay or Joker. You know, we've talked about this

528
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 2: a lot this season, the idea of like a top

529
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 2: tier superstar versus something less than that. You know, Luca

530
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: bouncing back and forth between those two levels this season,

531
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: Jalen Brunson bouncing back and forth between those two levels

532
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: this season. And I keep coming back to one word,

533
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,159
Speaker 2: and that's consistency. You have to be able to present

534
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: a trait that is so indomitable that it is there

535
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: almost every night.

536
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: To be a top tier superstar. So with NICOLEA Jokic.

537
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: His combination of size, and footwork and his ability to

538
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 2: read the floor and his unbelievable touch on short range

539
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: shot making, and how reliable he's been as a pick

540
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 2: and pop player, and just his basic defensive floor as

541
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: a guy who can like come up to the level

542
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: of ball screens and be active with his hands and

543
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 2: communicate and he's such a good defensive rebound that that

544
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 2: helps anchor that end. There's a certain, like every single

545
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 2: night level of impact from Nikola Jokic that makes him

546
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 2: a top tier superstar. You know, Luca had a rough

547
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 2: month they're surrounding the birth of his child, but like

548
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: outside of that, he's pretty consistently been in this dominant

549
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: offensive force who's lethally efficient from two point range and

550
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: gets to the foul line a lot and generates a

551
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 2: lot of quality shots.

552
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: Right.

553
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: You know what I start to look at is when

554
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: you look at that second tier guys, they have the

555
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 2: ability to reach that level, maybe because their shot is

556
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,640
Speaker 2: hot on that particular night, or you know, they their

557
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 2: decision making is inconsistent, but like for two three nights

558
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 2: in a row, they make some really good decisions and

559
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 2: they're just more efficient as ball handlers overall. They can

560
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: get to that point for a game, for two games,

561
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 2: every other game for a couple of weeks, or whatever

562
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 2: it might be. But they struggle to sustain it. And

563
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: that's really the difference to me. And that's why, like

564
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 2: when we talk about the top tier superstars in the league,

565
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: it's really only like four guys. It's that It's that Jokic,

566
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: It's that Shay Gils, Alexander, Luca Giannis. There are guys

567
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 2: entering into that conversation, like I think Ant is starting

568
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: to enter into that conversation, Wemby starting to enter into

569
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: that conversation. But even with them, there are some inconsistencies

570
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: that they deal with, you know, whether it's Ants jump

571
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: shooting or it's Victor women Yama. Just in general, as

572
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: an offensive kind of shot creator, you can get just

573
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: pushed off as spots by certain guys and but ultimately

574
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: it's consistency that drives that tier of player. As a

575
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 2: Knicks fan who shares your concerns about Kat's defense in

576
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: the playoffs, I've been thinking about a Cat for Bam trade.

577
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: I'm not sure this is feasible from a salary's slash

578
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: apron perspective, but it would boost the next defense while

579
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: giving Miami a stretch big kind of just wish casting here,

580
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: but I'd love to hear your thoughts. So it's an

581
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: interesting idea, you know. So if you're if you're Miami,

582
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 2: what you're talking to yourself about here is like, Okay,

583
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: Kellaware can be the five man behind Cat. We saw

584
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: an example in the big win they had over the

585
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: Suns the other night that when their bigs hit threes,

586
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: you know, kell Aware hits a three in that fourth quarter,

587
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 2: Bam hits three threes late in the game. When their

588
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: centers hit threes, it makes their dribble drive attack that

589
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: much more formidable, right, And so you think, Okay, if

590
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,200
Speaker 2: you put Kat out there, Kat is just a much

591
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 2: much better three point shooter than Bam. Maybe that allows

592
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: it to work out. Bam comes over and anchors an

593
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 2: elite defense for the Knicks, and so I get the

594
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: upside there. But if I'm Miami, I'm just just Bam

595
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: is just such a better player than Kat overall in

596
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 2: terms of the floor that he can play at in

597
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: the postseason, like Kat will have bigger scoring nights Kat,

598
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: and you catch them in a two week span where

599
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,959
Speaker 2: he averages you know, twenty six twenty seven points per game.

600
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: There's stretches that he can get to that BAM can't

601
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: get to. But in the postseason, there is a night

602
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: to night consistent level of defensive impact that you get

603
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: from BAM that makes them easier to build around. In

604
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: that context. From a salary perspective, Bam I think has

605
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: an extension that kicks in this summer, and so I

606
00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: think matching his salary gets.

607
00:28:59,160 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: A little tricky.

608
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 2: But again, like I do, I see like the structure

609
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 2: of what you're getting at there, but I just don't

610
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: think that New York could pull that trade off without

611
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 2: adding a bunch of asset return for Miami, and I

612
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: don't think they have what they need to make that

613
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: sort of thing happen. Well's up, Jason, what do you

614
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 2: think of a Rui and Ayton for O'sha and Yakub

615
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: trade knowing you'll have no knowing you'll have gave Maxie

616
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: and Dalton in a first to make another trade for

617
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: maybe Wiggins or even Keon and Mark Monk to replace

618
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 2: Rui's three point shooting. You have Luca ar O'Shea, bron

619
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: yaka Smart Monk, Ls, Jake Vando, Hayes may not move

620
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: a straight into contention, but put the right players around

621
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Luca to start thoughts on the fits. So I'm kind

622
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 2: of in a similar spot when it comes to the

623
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: center position with DeAndre Ayton, where I just don't think

624
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: he's the right fit long term for Luca. He was

625
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: the right option this season. Again, like you got him.

626
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 2: It's such a discounted deal and you literally didn't have

627
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: a playable center in the rotation last year, so getting

628
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: eight and I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like

629
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: it wasn't the right decision to make in this circumstance.

630
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: But I don't think he's a guy you want to

631
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 2: extend at you know, three or sixty million dollars.

632
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that.

633
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: I don't think he has the motor or enough just

634
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: ability to anchor a defense in order to be the

635
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 2: right center alongside Luca. I think if you're going for

636
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 2: a big alongside Luca, he either needs to be a deadly,

637
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 2: pick and pop big that can generate a ton of space,

638
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: or he needs to be like the traditional rim protecting,

639
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: vertical spacer type of guy. And I think Yakub kind

640
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: of occupies a different space at the center position, where

641
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 2: He's really solid and pretty good at everything, but he

642
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 2: doesn't have that elite vertical spacing piece or that elite

643
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: perimeter spacing piece. And I think in order to make

644
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: the Luka Doncic like spread pick and roll attack work,

645
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: you have to have like an awesome, big window vertical

646
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 2: spacer or a dude who's gonna pick and pop and

647
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: hit forty forty two percent of those pick and pop threes.

648
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: So that's why I'm not particularly in on the Yaka

649
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 2: Pertl type of idea, Oshea Boji type of guy that

650
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: I would look at every single type, every one of those,

651
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 2: whether you know justin champagnee osheg Boji, these these wings

652
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 2: around the league that are you know, six seven six'

653
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: eight athletic that can guard multiple positions that are not

654
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: necessarily a. STARTER i think The lakers should be trying

655
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: to acquire a couple of those guys for their bench

656
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 2: no matter. What but at the center, position you, KNOW

657
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: i like A Nick. CLAXTON i like a guy that

658
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: can provide the vertical spacing window and anchor an elite,

659
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: defense right like that would be a type of move

660
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: THAT i would be looking. At and then at the wing. Spot,

661
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: YES i would love to Have Andrew, wiggins but there's

662
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 2: a certain reality to the fact that he's a thirty

663
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: year old who makes a lot of, money and you're

664
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: trying to build a window that's sustainable Around, luca and

665
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: So wiggins may not be worth the amount of draft

666
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: compensation that he. Costs Keon ellis is a player THAT i.

667
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: Like he's just small and so that that's not a

668
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: like a, no but it's more of like A i'm

669
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: not necessarily sure he's a a enough of an athletic

670
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: weapon to be the kind of guy that can start

671
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 2: in that unit and really anchor things. Leakue monk's actually

672
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: a player really, like and there are several teams around

673
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: the league THAT i think could really use, him AND

674
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 2: i think any, team even The, lakers could use A Malik.

675
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: Monk it's more just that he represents an issue that

676
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: is more of like a when one of their stars is.

677
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Hurt it'd be nice to have A Malik, monk BUT

678
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: i think he'd be a little bit marginalized with the team,

679
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 2: healthy and SO i just don't think he kind of

680
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: makes sense in the big picture with The lakers as

681
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: much as he does for other, teams and SO i

682
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: don't really look in that direction very. Often with these

683
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: new opinions you have on The Tea, Wolves i'd like

684
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: you to revisit your thoughts on how you think they

685
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 2: match up With Oklahoma.

686
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: City have they changed love the? Show SO i.

687
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,520
Speaker 2: Said before the season THAT i thought they were incapable

688
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 2: of Beating Oklahoma. CITY i no longer feel that. WAY

689
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: i Think Oklahoma city would still be. Favored that's the

690
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 2: bottom line if you kind of dig into the concept

691
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 2: a little. BIT i think the one clear definitive leg

692
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: up That minnesota has IS i think they're a better

693
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: three point shooting team. OVERALL i think they have more

694
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: like make versus. Shooters WHAT i mean by that is

695
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: Like Oklahoma city has guys that can make, shots but

696
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 2: there's very. Few it's like you look At Isaiah, Joe,

697
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: yeah he's gonna knock it, down but it's Like chet

698
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna make, them or he's gonna miss. Him Jay

699
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: dub he's gonna make, him or he's gonna miss. Him

700
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: Cason wallsas he's gonna make, him or he's gonna miss.

701
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: Hm Lud dort he's gonna make, him or he's gonna.

702
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: Missim Alex, cruso he's gonna make him or he's gonna miss.

703
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: Him none of those guys are WHAT i would consider

704
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: to be like knocked down three point. Shooters The timberwolves

705
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: have several guys that are like real professional. Shooters ant's professional,

706
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: Shooter dante Di vincenzo a professional, shooter Nas reed a professional.

707
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: Shooter they're gonna have many of their best lineups where, like,

708
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: oh if you leave these guys, open these shots are

709
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: probably going. In that's like they're one leg. Up but

710
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: if you look at everything, Else Oklahoma city has a

711
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: lot of similar, traits, like, yeah, Okay Rudy gobert is

712
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: this elite switchy rim. Protector so Is Chet. Holmgren Anthony

713
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 2: edwards is this you, know top tier superstar two. Guards

714
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: so is say she's probably a little, better, Right like you, know,

715
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 2: Uh Julius randall is having a great, season and there

716
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: are certain things that he does better than a guy

717
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Like Jay. Dubb but you, know look at last year

718
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: in the, Postseason Julius randall really struggled against this particular

719
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: defense because of just the doubling and the swarming and,

720
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 2: OVERALL i think there are a lot of similarities between

721
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 2: the two, teams AND i just think it'd be really

722
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: hard For ants to Outplay shay four times out of.

723
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: Seven that, Said i've seen enough in terms Of rudy's offensive,

724
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 2: Improvement jaden McDaniel's offensive improvement as a, team just the

725
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 2: level of continuity and fluidity they've achieved on. Offense Anthony

726
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,720
Speaker 2: edwards is becoming more patient overall as a ball, handler

727
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: which has allowed him to become more efficient than he's ever.

728
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: Been all of those things have increased their odds in

729
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: all these key areas to be competitive With Oklahoma, city

730
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 2: where NOW i view them as like a threat to

731
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: Beat Oklahoma. City but guys like last week check Hard

732
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: Rock bett Had. OKACE i think On monday at minus

733
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: they were plus one to ten to win the title

734
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: like their runaway. Favorite no one's picking anybody to Beat Oklahoma.

735
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: City that, SAID i do think That minnesota has a

736
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: chance now that they didn't have earlier in the. Year

737
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: last question is another really interesting. One not a single

738
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 2: heliocentric pull up guy's ever been a good catch and

739
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: shoot three point. Shooter why is that? SO i don't

740
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,319
Speaker 2: think this is necessarily. TRUE i think that there are

741
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 2: guys who, are like you, know high volume pull up

742
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: shooters that are also very good catch and shoot. Shooters

743
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: they exist out. There Tyrese maxi and is an example

744
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 2: of that kind of. Player Steph curry's not necessarily a heliocentric,

745
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: guy but he's a guy who takes a ton of

746
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 2: pull up jump. Shots it's also a great catch and shoot.

747
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: Player Lebron james was a helio centric guy that was

748
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: always better off the catch than he was off the.

749
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: Dribble so there are counter examples to, this but in,

750
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: general there is this weird, phenomena WHICH i think is

751
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: what you're getting. At there's this strange phenomena where there

752
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 2: are certain players that when they're shooting off the, dribble

753
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: it just seems easier for them than it is off

754
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 2: of the. Catch and really it comes down to a simple.

755
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: Concept pull up shooting is about, fluidity and catch and

756
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: shoot shooting is about muscle memory in replicating the same.

757
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 2: Form so pull up shooting when you get into the.

758
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: Gym if you're a pull up shooter and you get

759
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: into the gym and you work on your game a

760
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: lot shooting off the, dribble there's a lot of like

761
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 2: the ball ends up in a different position in your

762
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 2: hands every time because you're dribbling in traffic and guys

763
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: are swiping at, you and the you, know you're trying

764
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: to make aggressive moves against good, defenders and like you,

765
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: know maybe your your hand placement will get a little

766
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 2: just a little bit more tricky on a possession to,

767
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: possession you, know type of. Situation and maybe on one

768
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: shot you're elevating, more but then on another shot you're

769
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: not elevating as. Much and on this, shot you, know

770
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: you're shooting it, higher and on this shot you're shooting

771
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 2: it more of like a line. Drive and like there's

772
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: so much more like creativity and fluidity to pull up,

773
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 2: shooting because no two shots are. Alike every one of

774
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 2: them is a little different for one reason or. Another

775
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 2: whereas with catch and shoot there are some, variables like

776
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 2: where the pass hits, you maybe it disrupts your, Pocket

777
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: but most of the good catch and shoot, players wherever they,

778
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,359
Speaker 2: go it starts the same place. Here so like if

779
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: it's a pass down in the, pocket they're right up.

780
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: Here if they catch it out on the, side they're

781
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 2: right up. Here if they catch it out, here they're

782
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: right up, here and then from there it's the exact

783
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: same thing every single. Time the only difference is maybe

784
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 2: like where your fingers are on the, Seams, Like, okay

785
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 2: this pass had it so that the seams are in

786
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: line with my. Fingers this one had it so that you,

787
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: know it's a little, different whatever it might, Be but

788
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,399
Speaker 2: the actual form of the shot is identical every. Time

789
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,439
Speaker 2: you're shooting the same arc every, time same release every,

790
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: time same lift every. Time and so they're two very different.

791
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: Things and so there are shooters out there that struggle

792
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: to oscillate between those two types of. Shots but the

793
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: best shooters in the world can do. Both and the

794
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: reason why is when they're taking their pull up. Shots

795
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: their pull ups have less. Variability they tend to make the,

796
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 2: moves but once, again they want to get, here and

797
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: once they get, here it's the same damn thing every,

798
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 2: time even though it's off the.

799
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: Dribble like a lot of those.

800
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: Guys you pause a video right after they make their

801
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: step back, move it looks like they're straight up and,

802
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 2: down and if you press play and you played to

803
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 2: catch and shoot shot right next to it would look the.

804
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: Same and so when you see guys who struggle at you,

805
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: know the catch and shoot piece versus the pull up

806
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: or vice. Versa it's if they're better at the catch and,

807
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 2: shoots but they struggle off the, dribble it's because they

808
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: struggle with the fluidity catching the like connecting the dribble

809
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: to the shot and shooting the same shot every, time

810
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 2: versus when they.

811
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: Struggle at catch and.

812
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: Shoot it's because they wrap all this fluidity, stuff but

813
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: they don't have their like muscle memory catch and shoot you,

814
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 2: know form down pat to where they do the same

815
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 2: thing every.

816
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: Time that typically is what drives that.

817
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: Dynamic all, right, Guys it's ALL i have for today

818
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: is always to sincerely appreciate you guys for supporting us

819
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: and supporting the. Show we will be back tomorrow to

820
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: cover a jam Packed Thursday Night.

821
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: Slate i'll see you guys, then