1 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: Welcome to Fair Territory Division Series Edition. I'm Ken Rosenthal 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: here with Alana Rizzo on this Friday. 3 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: It's a Friday, that's right. 4 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the conclusion to the Dodgers Phillies series, 5 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: which of course was one of the more dramatic things 6 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: you will ever see. We're gonna talk about the two 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: game fives ahead, and we're gonna talk about all kinds 8 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: of other things regarding the Division Series and baseball as well. 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: But the big story of the day, the big story 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: really of the Division Series so far, is the conclusion 11 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: of the Dodgers Phillies Game four last night. You all 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: saw it by now, Orian Kirkering. The play at the plate, 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: it didn't happen two outs, he could have gone the first. 14 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: JT Realmuta was pointing at him to go to first, 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: and it was just one of the more shocking conclusions. 16 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: And also. 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:03,319 Speaker 1: One of the more difficult things to watch that you'll 18 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: ever see. And kirk Ring is a guy who's come 19 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 1: onto the scene. He's been really good. He panicked obviously 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 1: in that moment. I believe all of us have had 21 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: moments in our jobs when we've panicked, and I would 22 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: expect most people would have sympathy, even the harshest of. 23 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: Fans, for what he is going through right now. 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: You could see after the game, Alana, obviously he bent 25 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: over on the mound. He was sitting in the dugout 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: just staring at the field. Mat Gelbe the Athletic wrote 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: a terrific story today about how the Phillies gathered around 28 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: him in support because. 29 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 2: The players understand. 30 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: The players understand that things happen on the field and 31 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: sometimes you can't account for them. And let's keep in 32 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: mind too, it's like an umpire's call. No one thing 33 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: decides a game. 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: If the Phillies had scored earlier, if. 35 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: They had not been one for seven with runners in 36 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: scoring position, if they had not squandered opportunities, of course 37 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: this game could have been. 38 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: A lot different. 39 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: So everyone has sympathy for Ryan Kirkering, and I want 40 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: to show you before we bring a lota in this 41 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: quote from Howie Rose, the legendary Mets announcer on Twitter, 42 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: he said, I don't care who you root for, but 43 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,960 Speaker 1: if you can't find even an ounce of compassion for 44 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: Oriyan Kirkering, you are undoubtedly devoid of a soul. Alana, 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: I know, obviously from a Dodger standpoint, this was a 46 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: great outcome, but anybody who loves the sport could sympathize 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: with what happened last night with Ryan Kirkering. 48 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: Ken, you'd never want the load of what happened last 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,119 Speaker 3: night to fall on one player. And let's be quite 50 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: honest here, the Philadelphia Phillies are not advancing to the CS, 51 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 3: not because of Oriyan Kirkering. If you take a look 52 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 3: Ken at the lack of offense and critical times, which 53 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 3: I know you're going to dive deeper into, That's why 54 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 3: the Phillies are not going to the CS. Has nothing 55 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: to do with the mental gaff from Orian Kirkering. And 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 3: we'll talk about that a little bit more and how 57 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 3: I feel about that and what I hope Phillies fans 58 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,080 Speaker 3: do in the future about this situation. 59 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 4: But can let's talk. 60 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 3: About the lack of offense when it mattered the most 61 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 3: for the Phills. 62 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: No, Alona, That's a great point. 63 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: And here is the key tweet from Jeff Curve CBS 64 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: last night, sums it all up. Turner, Schwarber and Harper 65 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: Turner the batting champion, Schwarber fifty plus home runs, Bryce Harper, 66 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: one of the postseason legends of our time. Their combined 67 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: stats right there, Game one one for eleven, Game two 68 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: one for ten, Game three seven for thirteen. Okay, that 69 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: was a good one. Game four one for fourteen. Now, 70 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: in fairness to the Phillies, a lot of this had 71 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: to do with the brilliant Dodgers pitching, just as the 72 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: Dodgers struggles in this series had to do with the 73 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: brilliant Phillies pitching. The Dodgers hit one ninety nine in 74 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: this series, the Phillies hit two thirteen. So you can 75 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: only be so harsh because the pitching was so good. 76 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: But the problem for the Phillies, as you step back 77 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: now and take a broader look at this, this is 78 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: the third straight year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. Actually 79 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: the fourth great year they've suffered a traumatic defeat. World 80 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: Series in twenty two, NLCS in twenty three, DS to 81 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: the Mets. 82 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 2: In twenty four, and now this series to the Dodgers. 83 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: J t ru Muto said that this wasn't as painful 84 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: as last year because they felt they lost to a 85 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: really good team. But now with real, Muto and Schwarber 86 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: free agents, with Rob Thompson in a bit of an 87 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: uncertain place as the manager. You just wonder what is 88 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 1: going to be with this franchise. That's how traumatic this 89 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: whole thing is going to be for them, Milana and Ken. 90 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: You saw it last night when Kyle Schwarber was addressing 91 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: the media. He was clearly emotional. As you mentioned, he 92 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 3: and Jtrail Muto are entering a free agency period for them. 93 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: He'd love, I would imagine, to finish his career talking 94 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: about Schwarber as a Philly But you don't know what 95 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 3: it's what's going to happen. I realize it's very premature 96 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 3: to sit here and talk about it on October tenth, 97 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: but there is a good possibility that we're not going 98 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: to see Schwarber in a Phillies uniform next year. And 99 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 3: I think these guys in that clubhouse in that dugout 100 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 3: realizing that their lockermates may not be the same guys 101 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: next year as their word today. 102 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 4: And there's relation ships there. 103 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: No question, and they want to resign Schwarburn real Muto, 104 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: Ranger Suarez another potential free agent. The expectation there is 105 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: they probably will lose him and they have more of 106 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: an ability to replace a Suarez with Andrew Painter coming 107 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: up and all of that. But sure there are questions 108 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: now that we're lingering the whole season and then have 109 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: lingered over this team. And there's been a lot of 110 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: talking in recent days about the Yankees failures in the postseason. Well, 111 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: the Phillies have kind of had a similar run here 112 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: at least the last four years. 113 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 2: And what it underscores again. 114 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: Is how difficult it is to win the World Series 115 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: in an era where you have an expanded postseason, in 116 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: an era where money doesn't always buy you everything. Teams 117 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: are more competitive now, It's really hard. So we will 118 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: see where this all turns with the Phillies. But obviously 119 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: that was a very difficult loss for. 120 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: Them in so many ways. 121 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: So a lot of let's turn, I guess to game fives, 122 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: and let's start with the Cubs and the Brewers. Cubs 123 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: rallying from two games to none down, they now have 124 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: to go back to Milwaukee to win. 125 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 3: With Cook, I tell you what, both home teams have 126 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 3: won their games Ken, So what does that mean is 127 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: that Milwaukee's turn in Game five? 128 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,799 Speaker 1: You would think, but the pitching of both teams, Alanta 129 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: is kind of in shambles, So I don't know where 130 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: this is going. And for the Cubs, Imanaga is going 131 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: to have to play some kind of role. There's a 132 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: starter or following an opener, as he did in the 133 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: Padre series. He is the guy lined up to pitch, 134 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: usually prefers an extra day's rest. Won't get one here, 135 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: and they have others in the bullpen, maybe in Aaron Savali, 136 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe a Colin Ray who will have to step up 137 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: because they're in a funky place with their pen right now, even. 138 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: With the days off here. 139 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: And then the Brewers are kind of in a similarly 140 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: difficult situation. The Miz is going to play a prominent 141 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: role as a bulk guy most likely in this game, 142 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: but they're gonna need contributions from others as well. And 143 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: for me, this is a coin flip. Whenever you get 144 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: to a game five, it's a total coin flip. Home 145 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: Field certainly helps the Brewers, and they play really well 146 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: at Miller Park, but a lot of who knows what's 147 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: going to happen here? 148 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: You know, Ken It's crazy too, because if you think 149 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 3: about the other side of things. In the American League 150 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 3: Division Series, it's a game five for the Detroit Tigers 151 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: as well as the Seattle Mariners. AJ Hinch and the 152 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 3: Tigers oping that home cooking is not the thing going 153 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 3: on because they're going back, of course, to Seattle for 154 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 3: Game five. What's interesting to me, Ken is that you know, 155 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: Tarek Schouble is going to take the mound as he should. 156 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 3: But the Tigers have lost every Trek Schoolble start this 157 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: season against the Mariners. How much is that in their head? 158 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's in their head. That is 159 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: one of those baseball things. Allot it to me that 160 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 2: is likely to reverse. It's one of these fluky things 161 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: that just occur. 162 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: Now, Trek Scooble isn't an interesting spot here, and I 163 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 1: wrote about this. Actually, I have an essay coming out 164 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: on the pregame show tonight about Trek Schooble and this 165 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: whole circumstance. So he is likely to be the back 166 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: to back American League Cy Young winner. We can pretty 167 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: confidently predict that in American League history, only Randy Johnson, 168 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: Pedro Martinez, and Roger Clements have won back to back 169 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: Cy Young's. There are a few more who have done 170 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: it in the National League. So he's going to be 171 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: the fourth, and that. 172 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 2: Is quite an accomplishment. 173 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: But last year Game five against Cleveland, what happened. He 174 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: goes through four scoreless, then gives up the basis loaded 175 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: walk to Jose Ramirez and then the grand slam to 176 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: Lane Thomas. That was Game five last year. Here we 177 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: go with Game five this year, again on the road, 178 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: and all eyes are on him. He's going to be 179 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the back to back cy young guy. And it wouldn't 180 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: be fair to say Trek Scougele is some kind of 181 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: not clutch performer if he doesn't pitch well tonight, but 182 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: this is a big situation. 183 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: He has a two point one to three ERA in 184 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: the postseason for his career. This is not a guy 185 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: who's performed poorly. 186 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: And in Game two he gave up to two homers 187 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: by Polanco solo shots, but otherwise was really good. So 188 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: it's a defining moment for him. It's a big moment 189 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: for the Tigers. And we're going to see too if 190 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: Seattle can finally get back to the ALCS with George 191 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: Kirby on the mound. They've had the magical run from Raleigh, 192 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: who has been great even in the postseason. I don't 193 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: know where this is going to go tonight. I don't 194 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: know that anyone does, but it's going to be really 195 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: interesting for sure. 196 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 3: Well, whomever wins will face the Toronto Blue Jays and 197 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 3: can I believe that you are in Toronto now? But 198 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 3: win or lose, Tiger Territory is going to have it 199 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: all covered with the Athletics, Tiger Beat reporter Cody staven Hagen, 200 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: Kieran Steckley, former Tiger Austin Jackson. So make sure that 201 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: you tune into either a Game five win for those 202 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:52,199 Speaker 3: guys or a post mortem of the Detroit Tigers. 203 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 4: It is time for Grill and Ken. 204 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 3: We appreciate the opportunity for those of us that are 205 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 3: watching and listening to us here, whether it's on YouTube 206 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,199 Speaker 3: or wherever you get your podcast, to ask Ken Rosenthal 207 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:06,959 Speaker 3: a question. 208 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 4: So we're going to start with Neil. 209 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 3: He has a question in regards to Clayton Kershaw, who 210 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: obviously did not have a good outing out of the 211 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 3: pen in Game three for the Los Angeles Dodgers. So 212 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 3: we'll go to this question here, and it is Ken, 213 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: has Kershaw pitched his last game? Do you think kersh 214 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 3: future Hall of Famer is on the Dodgers roster for 215 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: the CS. 216 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 2: Wow, great question. I don't know the answer to that. 217 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: Probably it would depend someone on the health of Tanner Scott, 218 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: but actually Tamer Scott is out for the next serious 219 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 1: I should have mentioned. 220 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: That I do expect to be on the roster. I 221 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: don't know what is the better option here. 222 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: They still can have a spot for Kersh. No, he 223 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: didn't pitch well in that particular circumstance the other night, 224 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: but part of it was in going back out had 225 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: to do with Tanner Scott not being available. So it's 226 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: a fair question, Alta, But what do you think on 227 00:10:58,320 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: this one? 228 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 3: Well, I can't imagine a world ken And before let 229 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 3: me let me preface this conversation with everybody knows that 230 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 3: I am a Dodger fan, and everybody knows that I 231 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: am a Clayton apologist. But for a good reason, I will. 232 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: I will defend Clayton Kershaw to my dying breath. I 233 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: can't imagine a world in which Clayton Kershaw is not 234 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 3: on the postseason roster. That being said, I also think 235 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: people look at it as he came out of the 236 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: bullpen and he didn't perform. Well, I look at it 237 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: differently at the time that Kirsh came out of the bullpen, 238 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 3: we did not realize that Tanner Scott had that lower 239 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: body incision abscess situation. Right, So, okay, maybe Kershaw was 240 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 3: kind of taken one for the team. Did he have 241 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 3: his best stuff? Absolutely not, But they were down Tanner Scott, 242 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 3: so I give that a little bit more weight in 243 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 3: terms of perhaps that is the reason that he went 244 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 3: back out there for a second inning. I think Kirsh 245 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: is on the CS roster. Okay, another question here in 246 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 3: terms of the New York Yankees, can see Carrera has 247 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: this to say, what has the NYY management done wrong? 248 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: Wow? We could talk about this now. 249 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: I wrote my column yesterday about this whole situation, and 250 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: what I wrote was that based on the outcome of 251 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: this season and the series against Toronto, it does not 252 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 1: seem to me that alone is enough to have a 253 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: management change in New York, either with Brian Cashman. 254 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: The general manager or Aaron Boone the manager. 255 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: I know a lot of Yankee fans hated that column 256 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and hated that premise, And certainly you can make the 257 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: case that Boone now eight years in, cash twenty seven 258 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: years in, they have not won a World series. 259 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: Okay, you want. 260 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: To make that case, that's fine. But this season, I 261 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: don't know that they did all that much wrong. I'll 262 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: start with Cashman. So Cashman pivots from Juan Soto after 263 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: they lose him to the New York Mets. They get free, 264 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: they get Goldman, they get Bellinger, they get Devin Williams. 265 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: Devin Williams didn't work out great, but he wasn't horrible either, 266 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: and the other three were pretty good. Then the deadline, 267 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: he fortifies the bullpen, picks up some bench players. I 268 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: don't know that they did a lot wrong. They were 269 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: better defensively down the stretch, not great, but better. 270 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 2: More athletic. 271 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: They just got beat. And in this day and age, 272 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people have a hard time accepting it 273 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: when their team just gets beat. They got beat by 274 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: a better team, and at some point it's on the 275 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: players too. Freedom Rodin pitched poorly, the offense really besides 276 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: Judge was not good. So I'll excuse Cashman on that. 277 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: And I don't even know how you can look at 278 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: Boone and say this was his fault because they just 279 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: got again out played. 280 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: They won ninety four games. 281 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: They should have yes won the division, but they lost 282 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: the tiebreaker to the Blue Jays. They had that mid 283 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: season low that was brutal, but they came out of it. 284 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: They beat the Red Sox at some point. You've got 285 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: to look at this a little bit reasonably. Now, if 286 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: hal Steinbretter, the owner, said, you know what, I do 287 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: want to make a change. 288 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: I want to do something different. I get that. 289 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: Okay, then you got to find someone better than these two. 290 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: Now you might find a better manager easier than a 291 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 1: better general manager that Brian Cashman. Believe it or not, 292 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: but these jobs are not easy. So obviously I stand 293 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: by what I wrote, and I know a lot of 294 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: Yankee fans feel differently, and I totally respect that and 295 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: get it. But this idea that if season does not 296 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: end the World Series title, it's a failure, it's ridiculous. 297 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: It's simply ridiculous. As I said before, Alana, it's really 298 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: hard to win a World Series, period. 299 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 3: And it just goes to show you, and I've said 300 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: this a thousand times. Money buys good players, Ken Rosenthal, 301 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 3: It does not buy wins, and it does not buy championships. 302 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 3: Now the New York Yankees are in can kun with 303 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: the New York Mets and the Boston Red Sox and 304 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 3: a number of other teams too. So it just goes 305 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: to show you money helps. It's not the end all 306 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 3: be all. Switching to the Phillies, who are now also 307 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 3: on their way to can Kuhn Video Game Nation wants 308 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: to know. Do you think Dave Dombrowski is a threat 309 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 3: to be dismissed of President of Baseball Operations of the Phillies. 310 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. 311 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: And Bob Nightingale the USA Today wrote a long story 312 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: about Dobrowski and in their relationship the owner John Middleton, 313 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: and basically John Middleton wants Dombrowski to be the Pobo forever. 314 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: The real question is Rob Thompson, and it's not simple 315 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: a question of whether the Phillies want him back. It 316 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: might also be a question of whether he wants to 317 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: be back. A manager goes through these things and it's difficult. 318 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: So I would expect when things settle down, he would 319 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: want to be back. But if you're the Phillies, maybe 320 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: you look at this and the successive playoff failures and 321 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: they've come earlier each year, and you say, okay, we 322 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: want to do something different. Dave Dombrowski could make that 323 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: decision that would not surprise me. But I honestly think 324 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: Rob Thompson is a good manager for this team. And 325 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: the compassion he showed last night with Kirkerhan coming off 326 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: the field and in his news conference, those were the 327 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: hallmarks of a leader. So to me, Rob Thompson should 328 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: be back if he wants to be back, And the 329 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: question is going to be do the Phillies want him back? 330 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 2: That's number one. 331 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: Kyle Schwarber can And what do you think his market is? 332 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 3: He's a DH Obviously, fifty home runs this season, fifty 333 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: plus home runs this season. He is going to be 334 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 3: thirty three in March, which, as we know in baseball terminology, 335 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 3: might as well be one foot in the grave. But 336 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: what do you think is his market? What's his ceiling? 337 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 3: What's his market? Where do you see him? 338 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: I see him at four years getting a fourth year, 339 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: and I see him at thirty million plus, so four 340 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: years one to twenty minimum, and that's probably around where 341 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: he'll be, either with the Phillies or someone else. Now, 342 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: there are teams that could really use Kyle Schwarber, just 343 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: as there are things that could really use Pete Alonzo. 344 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: And they're not only the teams that they play for, 345 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: so it could get interesting with both. In Alonzo's case, 346 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: he won't of a qualifying offer this year. I don't 347 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: believe Schwarber is eligible for one either. I can't remember 348 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: that exactly. But both those guys, because power is such 349 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: a premium right now and it's so difficult to find 350 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: hitters like this, they should do well. 351 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: Ken, where do you think a better fit would be 352 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: in terms of the Boston Red Sox as at a 353 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,360 Speaker 3: DH first base, whatever, Pete Alonzo, Kyle Schwarber. 354 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: That's a right left question, and they would have to 355 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: decide which do they prefer, the right handed hitter or 356 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 1: the left handed hitter. Most of their outfielders are left 357 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: handed hitters. I don't know that that figures into it. 358 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: It kind of depends on Reregman too. If they lose Gregman, 359 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: then you need a right handed hitter and you have story. 360 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 1: But really at that point you would need the right 361 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: handed thumper. So Alonso is in many ways a very 362 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 1: good fit for the Red Sox, and that's going to 363 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: be a really interesting one because how badly do the 364 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: Mets want them, how badly do they want to mix 365 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: it up? 366 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 2: After what happened to them this season. 367 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: This offseason is going to be wild, as it always is, 368 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: and some of these questions Alana are going to be 369 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,040 Speaker 1: really interesting to see play out. 370 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 3: When you think about the Red Sox, I know the 371 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 3: Red Sox were eliminated in the wildcard round to the 372 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 3: New York Yankees, But when you think about the Red 373 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,639 Speaker 3: Sox ten and they're pending free agents, who do you 374 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 3: think is more likely to opt out? Or in Bregman 375 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 3: story Giolito, When you look at those guys, who do 376 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 3: you think ops in? 377 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: Who you think ops out? 378 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: Regman is out. I don't even know there's any questions. 379 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: Is forty million a year but he's owed what two 380 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: years and eighty something like that. He'll beat that as 381 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: a free agent. He'll beat the total. He might not 382 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: beat the AAV but if he gets I don't know, 383 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: six times. 384 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 2: Thirty, he's pretty happy if that's the number. 385 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: So he's opting out and the Red Sox will be 386 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: in there trying to keep him, because you've seen with 387 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: Alex Bregman, not only is it the performance on the field, 388 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: he makes everyone around him better. He's almost like another 389 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: coach in the dug out so Bregman is mensely vable 390 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: to the Red Sox and what they do. Gilido, I 391 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 1: would expect ops in, although starting pitching, maybe he chooses 392 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: else to do something else, and Story I would say 393 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: ops in too, But I don't know. In stories case, 394 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: you may look at the shortstop market and say, you 395 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: know what, it's pretty thin Boba Schet. Most teams don't 396 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: look at him as a shorts up. Maybe Trevor Story says, 397 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: I will opt out and see what I can get 398 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: out there. 399 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: But at the same time, he's not coming off an 400 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: amazing year. 401 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: He's coming off of in pre year, so it's going 402 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 1: to be an interesting decision for him. 403 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Boston is good for Story and I 404 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 3: think he likes it there. But I agree with you 405 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: on all of those counts in terms of who opts 406 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 3: in and out. It's always going to be fun in 407 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: the off season going in to next year. All right, 408 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: coming up, we're talking about our dude and dork of 409 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 3: the week. 410 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 4: Stay with us, we'll be right back. Bet MGM players will. 411 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 3: Receive an MLB Parlay Boost token to use the token 412 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: at a parlay wager made up of entirely MLB bets 413 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 3: to your bed slip and activate the token score extra 414 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 3: winnings if you're wager that was made with the parlay 415 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: boost token wins. Gambling problem more concern, there is help 416 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: Call one eight hundred gambler. 417 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 2: Dude, Dude, dude. 418 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 3: All right, Ken, who is your dude of the week 419 00:19:58,440 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 3: for this week? 420 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 2: Actually, Alana, I'm going to let you go first. 421 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 3: Oh, I get to go first. Okay, So my dude 422 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 3: of the week is Oriyan Kirkering. And I realized that 423 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 3: the play at the plate and throwing to the wrong 424 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 3: base was obviously a mental lapse. But for this young man, 425 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: who is only twenty four years old to go out 426 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 3: there and face the media and answer questions, you know, 427 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 3: if I can get on Justishom Junior for not talking 428 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: to the media and turning his back. I want to 429 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 3: give props to this kid who very easily could have 430 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 3: been so embarrassed and so heartbroken that he didn't address that. 431 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 3: You can see him there holding back tears. It was 432 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:38,479 Speaker 3: a very emotional moment. But I appreciate the fact that 433 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: he was candid and honest and raw and answered the questions. 434 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,439 Speaker 3: And I hope to God and Pedro Martinez said this 435 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:50,360 Speaker 3: the best on TBS last night that do not allow 436 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: this talent to carry this load for the rest of 437 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 3: his career. 438 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 4: And I agree. 439 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 3: Everyone's been there in this game, Ken, everyone's made a mistake. 440 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: We've done it our careers where we've all made mistakes 441 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 3: we wish we could take back. So Ryan Kirkering, this 442 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 3: does not define you. This is not who you are. 443 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,400 Speaker 3: You are my dude of the week. 444 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: Great call, and I was waiting for you around him 445 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: because I wasn't sure where you were going to go exactly. 446 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: But I've got two. Roki Sasaki obviously has to be 447 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: the week. We didn't give him enough love in the 448 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 2: first segment. 449 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: That three inning performance last night was just brilliant, and 450 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: he's been brilliant the whole postseason and for coming back 451 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: from what he came back from, the injury and the 452 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: mental questions about him, all of the things, the transition 453 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: from Japan to the US as a twenty three year old. 454 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 2: That is impressive. 455 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: My other dude of the week, we haven't talked enough 456 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: about this guy either. Flat Junior I good. Yeah, he 457 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: had against the Yankees and it was kind of out 458 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: of nowhere because he didn't have a great September and 459 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: there were concerns the chets not behind him and all that, 460 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 1: but he was brilliant. 461 00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: And the other night on Fox after the game the 462 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 2: Yankees lose, that was it was just hilarious. 463 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: Well that was so glad, glad, you and your Roki 464 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: sak both dudes of the week. Now, I want to 465 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: get into something right here, because Dave Roberts didn't he 466 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: say last night a lot of that Rokie Susaki's bullpen 467 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,000 Speaker 1: performance was the greatest performance by a reliever ever, or 468 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: something like that. 469 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 3: I did not hear that part, And I know you're 470 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: you have somebody else in mind who is a Ken. 471 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: All right, all right, you're talking about one of the 472 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: great all time appearances out of the pen that I 473 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: can remember. 474 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 2: Dave, Let's go back to twenty fourteen. Now, I know 475 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: it's a long time ago. 476 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: At this point, Madison Wilmgarner closing out the World Series 477 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: with five less. I think that's a little bit better 478 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: than Listen Rosenthal. 479 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: No Dodger fan or manager wants to remember twenty fourteen 480 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 3: in the San Francisco Giants. We just blocked that out completely. 481 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: I did have a text conversation with Dave Roberts this 482 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: morning about Roki Sasaki, and I talked to him about 483 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 3: what a transition, right, Remember back early on when Roki 484 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: Sasaki was in the dugout crying because of a bad performance. 485 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 3: It was almost as if he didn't understand, you know, 486 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: he'd not understand that's not fair. Didn't It's a difficult 487 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 3: it's a difficult transition right from Japan to Major League Baseball. 488 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 3: And Dave was like, if you take that picture, like 489 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 3: we are right now side by side of Roki Sasaki 490 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,159 Speaker 3: crying and then striking out J t rail Muto, what 491 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 3: is stark contrast? So, yes, Roki is the Dodgers closer. 492 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 3: I did not know that that team needed. Okay, who 493 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 3: is your doork of the week? 494 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 1: Well, my doork of the week goes back to the 495 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: New York Yankees and the performance of their players, and 496 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to give it to all of their hitters 497 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: besides Aaron Judge. Now I'm being a little unfare Toeram 498 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: McMahon and John Carlos Stanton, who were not horrible, but 499 00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 1: the offense outside of Judge, granted, they faced great pitching, 500 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: particularly in the first two games. The starters Gossman and 501 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: Ya Savage and then the bullpen. 502 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: Game in Game four. 503 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: But come on, the Yankees are built on offense. They 504 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: had the highest scoring offense in the major leagues. Yes, 505 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: the most home runs as well, but they could score 506 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: in other ways and they simply did not produce. So 507 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: the Yankee the hitters other than Judge dorks of the week. 508 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 3: All right, my dork of the week, I'm on a 509 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: preemptive strike here. Ken I'm not saying these people are 510 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 3: dorks yet, but let's make sure they don't become dorks. 511 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: Anybody that wants to give a Ryan Kirker in grief 512 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 3: or crap about what happened, do not do not do that. 513 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 3: I understand you can be upset about what had happened 514 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 3: in that situation, but let's not put the way to 515 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: the world on this young man who already feels horrific 516 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 3: about what happened. Again, as Pedro Martinez said, do not 517 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 3: let his talent, this talent carry the load for the 518 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 3: rest of his career. He's a very good picture, a 519 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 3: very good talent, and he has good he has a 520 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: great career ahead. So let's be kind. 521 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 2: Alan. 522 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,360 Speaker 1: I've got a prediction Opening day next year, Philadelphia standing 523 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: ovation for Ryan I hope so it helped me. 524 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 3: You know, let's do it absolutely Mookie Betts when he 525 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 3: was you know, hitting a buck and they gave him 526 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 3: a standing way that helped you. By the way, extra 527 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: credit as far as due to the week, we should 528 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 3: have said this earlier to Nick Castellanos who absolutely bolted 529 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 3: in and from right field to comfort Ryan Kirkering on 530 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 3: the mound. 531 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 4: Imagine where imagine where. 532 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 3: Nick Castillanos was, obviously, and you saw him walking with 533 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 3: Kirkering into the dugout before Rob Thompson stopped him to 534 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 3: talk to Kirkering. Good on you, Nick Castillanos for holding 535 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 3: up one of your one of your teammates. I mean, 536 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: it's this is this is why we love this game. 537 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: But remember, guys, they're people before their players. 538 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: No no doubt, and Nick did great things there and 539 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: really the entire clubhouse rallied around him last night because 540 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: as you said, Alan, and we'll maybe close it out 541 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: with this, the players understand, man, they understand better than anyone, 542 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: and they know how difficult the game is to play. 543 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 4: No doubt about it. 544 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 3: All right, if you're watching on TV, thank you so 545 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 3: much for joining us. We appreciate you time. We have 546 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 3: a couple more minutes back here, and that's it. We're 547 00:25:55,040 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: back on Monday eight