1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Wire to Hunts rut Fresh Radio bringing you 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 1: the latest reports from the White Tailed Woods and now 3 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: your host, Spencer new Hearth. This is Wired to Hunts 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 1: rout Fresh Radio powered by First Light. I am your host, 5 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Spencer new Hearth, and this week we're talking about hunting 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: with an opening day mentality. Welcome to Wired to Hunts 7 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: what Fresh Radio. I'm your host, Spencer new Hearth and 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: this is episode four dred and sixty and joining me 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: is Mark Kenyon, who has an approaching opening day coming 10 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: up in Michigan. And by this weekend, for most of 11 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: the White Tails range, Mark, people are going to be 12 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: able to hunt. Maybe some states in the South have 13 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: a little bit later opening, but for of folks listening 14 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: to this, you probably can be in the woods at 15 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,320 Speaker 1: this point, which is super exciting. Um. And for you, Mark, 16 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: what is your mindset like going into opening day on 17 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: October one in a state that doesn't open until October 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: and you have to watch everyone else having fun in September? Yeah? Man, 19 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's been a long time coming, and 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: I'm very very excited. I like you said, I feel like, 21 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, once October hits like it's hunting season. I mean, 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: it's hunting season everywhere, so I know everyone's been chomping 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: at the bit if they haven't been going yet. And uh, 24 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 1: it's just it's just a great time of year. So 25 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: let's just pause for a moment to be really freaking 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: excited about that. And um and yeah, I mean I'm 27 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: feeling great. You know, October one is uh, it's it's 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: a holiday of sorts here in Michigan, so there's gonna 29 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: be a lot of people hitting the woods. And and 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: I always look at it as one of those very 31 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: best chances of my entire season regard lists of intel, 32 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: regardless of weather. I always look at those first couple 33 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: of days as a really good chance. And it's actually 34 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: something that maybe it is worth discussing a little bit, 35 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: because you know, if you were to look at the 36 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: weather forecast for a lot of parts of the country 37 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: right now, it's kind of stagnant. There's not a lot 38 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: of change, there's nothing really exciting. There's not that big 39 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: sexy cold front. Uh, nothing like that, at least from 40 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: the places I've seen, and definitely not here in Michigan. Um. 41 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: So I know some people that might see that and 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: be bummed and be like it's not gonna be that great. 43 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not gonna go out, or maybe I will 44 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: just try shoot a doe or whatever it might be. 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: But you gotta remember, at least if you hunt in 46 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: one of these places that's opening right now, this is 47 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's different than what someone's experiencing in 48 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: North Dakota where their season has been going a month. 49 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: And if my season has been going a month and 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: October first rolls around and there's no great front, there's 51 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: nothing that's really going to change dear movement, then yeah, 52 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: I'm not too excited about it. But if nobody has 53 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: been hunting in your area for eight nine months and 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: these deer are still doing their thing relatively unbothered, you've 55 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: got this short window to catch him off guard. And 56 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: I can tell you even here in Michigan, where there's 57 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: lots of hunters out there, where there's an antler list 58 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: season that came in two weekends ago for a little bit, 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:21,959 Speaker 1: and there was a youth season that came in three 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: and a half weekends ago before that, so there's been 61 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: a little bit of pressure already. Even with that, I 62 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: still almost every year catch a good buck on his 63 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: feet in daylight or close to it, or have some 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: kind of close encounter, some kind of excitement on one 65 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: of those first couple of days of hunting. So um. 66 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: So that's all to say that, you know, get out there, 67 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: give it a good shot or two. Even even if 68 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: you're I don't know, on a small property and you've 69 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: got to be really careful about hunting pressure. I still 70 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: think it's worth a good stab or two in the 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: beginning because worst case scenario, you don't kill a buck 72 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: and things don't go as planned and some does blow 73 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: out or something. But you've got plenty of time until 74 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: we get into late October or November, when when most 75 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: people feel like is their their best chance. Right Um, 76 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: there's plenty of time to recover from any mistake right now. 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: So I say swing for it because I think they're 78 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: out there, and uh, that's that's at least the way 79 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: I'm looking at it, and I'm feeling I'm feeling good weather. 80 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: It's not great, but it's not horrible. It's kind of average. 81 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: Here in Michigan high bear metric pressure, which you know 82 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people say is a good thing. I'll 83 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: say that I'll hope it helps things out a little bit. 84 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: And uh, and I've got some intel on a on 85 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: a buck, so I think, uh, you know, you never know, 86 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: it's probably not gonna go the way you wanted to, 87 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say I'm going to head into the 88 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: field on the evening October one feeling cautiously optimistic. So 89 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: if if you are hunting in a state like Pennsylvania 90 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: or Illinois or Michigan that has one of these early 91 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: October openers, what is like your ideal textbook set up 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: look like for that being weekend hunt? You know, I 93 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: think it's it's pretty standard. It's it's similar to a 94 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: lot of people when they're opening their season on September 95 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: September one, in that it's food related. It's just different 96 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: because the food source is probably different, right, So like 97 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: North Dakota, their food source they might be focusing on 98 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: September one might be green soybeans, or maybe it's an 99 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: alfalfa field. Uh. Here in Michigan on October one, those 100 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: things aren't quite as attractive. So I'm thinking corn, right, 101 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: corns dried down and becoming very attractive. Right now, I've 102 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: been seeing a lot of deer feeding on the edge 103 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 1: of the corn fields right now. Another thing that I 104 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 1: know is happening here for sure and across a number 105 00:05:42,680 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: of other states, are that acorns are hitting the ground. 106 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: So I've got a lot of buddies who have been 107 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: telling me that their trail cameras have been drying up. 108 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: They're not getting a lot of trail camera pictures. And 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: the assumption is that that's because the acorns are hitten. 110 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: And so now these deer have moved off of food plots, 111 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: or they've moved off of whatever you know spot. These 112 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: people have their cameras and they're now back in the 113 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: timber eating uh, eating that gold delicious Uh, not gold, 114 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: but eating that delicious white oak. So I think that 115 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: for me, I'm set up somewhere either transitioning from bed 116 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: to food or very close to on top of that 117 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: food source that's most attractive in my area. Um, so 118 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: I've got a spot where I can plant some food plots, 119 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: where I've got some grain food right now that's next 120 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 1: to a standing corn field. That's gonna be something that 121 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna like a lot very close to good bedding, 122 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: very close to good food, and safely in between the two. 123 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: That's that's like your textbook, simple early season opportunity if 124 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: you're hunting public land or something where you don't have 125 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: that kind of obvious food source that's not getting pounded. Now, 126 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking an oak flat or an island, or like 127 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: a finger with some oaks on it that extends out 128 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: into a swamp a mile back on public land, or 129 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: an island of high ground with a couple oaks on 130 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: it that are dropping acorns back in the thick, wet, 131 00:06:56,760 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: boggy stuff, or maybe some some oak ridges way back 132 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: in the timber, whatever it might be, or maybe there's 133 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 1: an isolated apple tree. If you can find that dynamite 134 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: food source that's isolated and far away from other people 135 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: and in the cover, that's what I'd be thinking about 136 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: on heavily pressured land right now. And some of the 137 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: stuff that you talked about their mark is actually part 138 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: of like our reading material for this week, which you 139 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: can find in the description of the podcast episode. There 140 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: are four articles that I would recommend for white tail 141 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: hunters to read this time of year. The first one 142 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: is how to Deer Hunt Standing Corn by John Eberhart. 143 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: He breaks down three tactics he can use to find 144 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: and kill white tails around corn fields before they're harvested. 145 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: And then the next is everything I use on d 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: I Y Out of State Deer Haunts by you Mark, 147 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: where Mark lays out his entire gear list from his 148 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: sleeping bag to his truck top or do was camp 149 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: stove and he was climbing sticks to his optics, quite 150 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: literally everything that he travels with on d I Y 151 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: White Tail Adventures. And then an article by Tony Peterson 152 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: A Guaranteed Way to Ruin any Deer hunt. He talks 153 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: about how certain distractions can make you have less faun 154 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: and less success. And then finally the Truth about Frontal 155 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: Shots on Deer by Dylan Tramp. He breaks down all 156 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: the considerations from a deer's anatomy to its behavior to 157 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: your gear setup for taking a frontal shot on a 158 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: white tail with our tree equipment. I like it. I 159 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: feel like this part. I just wish that we had 160 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: a visual because when you give us the homework assignment, 161 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: I just imagine you in your glasses with what are 162 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 1: your sweater vests on? You know, or like a what 163 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: is it not a sweater vest? It's uh car card again? Yes, 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: you're in your card again? When you give us these 165 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: homework assignments and you're standing at the front of the 166 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: classroom and you're writing these down on the white board. 167 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: That's that's what I envisioned at this part. So someone's 168 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: gotta like photoshop that together for man, and we can 169 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: post that I feel seen. That's that is what I'm doing. 170 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:52,079 Speaker 1: That's that's exactly what. And then the folks that you're 171 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: gonna hear from this week, we have Lindsay Thomas Jr. 172 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: In Georgia from the National Deer Association, Caitlin Moss in 173 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: Missouri from Caitlin Moss Outdoors, and then a new hand 174 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure from the Just Hunt Club is Brett Joy, 175 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 1: and then we end with Byron Horton from Ohio from 176 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: the White Tail Experience. I like it well, uh Man, 177 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: There's been a whole a lot of these opening days 178 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: in Michigan where I've talked to you beforehand and then 179 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: we decided we'd come back in the next week, and 180 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: I would always say, I hopefully canna have a good 181 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: story for you. And you know, there hasn't been a 182 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: whole lot of them where I've got the good story, 183 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: but there's been a few, and uh, I'm just gonna 184 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: cross all my fingers and toes and say it one 185 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: more time and tell you that Spencer, hopefully next week 186 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 1: I've got a good story for you. I like it, 187 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: all right. Good luck, Mark, and the next time I 188 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: talked to you, it will be October. Hallelujah, all right. 189 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: And joining us on the line first is Lindsay Thomas Jr. 190 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: In Georgia from the National Deer Association. Now, Lindsay in Georgia, 191 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity has been lately 192 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten uh Spencer Almill 193 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 1: split that up a little bit because I hunt my 194 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 1: family's land in coastal Georgia, where we have a little 195 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: bit of an earlier rutt our rut peak is usually 196 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: the last two weeks of October. Uh Down, I'm gonna say, 197 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: based on um scouting that out a little bit in 198 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: the last couple of days and and watching my cameras 199 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: that we're at about a four to five on buck 200 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: movement in coastal Georgia right now. Um. But I also 201 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: hunted this weekend another property about an hour north of 202 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:21,440 Speaker 1: there that's more up in the central Georgia UH section. 203 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: That is is more of a you know, middle November 204 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: rut like the rest of the state. UM, and I'd 205 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: say it's more of a three there right now in 206 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: the majority of central and central Georgia. UM. But I'd 207 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: like to say Coastal it's picking up a little faster 208 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: because our rud is earlier. Lindsay, you are an expert 209 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: when it comes to what white tails want to eat, 210 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: So let's start with man made food sources. What are 211 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: some man made food sources that are relevant in October 212 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: for white tail hunters in that part of the country. 213 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: Gonna be you know, an if you got in a 214 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: fall all food plot. Uh, some with some fast germinating 215 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: annuals like cereal grains, brass because I'm cereal grains being oats, 216 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: sweet rye if those were if you got those planets 217 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: and they're coming up in time for October, those will 218 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: be drawing already. It's been a little too wet honestly 219 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: in the southeast lately. We just got some food plus 220 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: planted this past weekend at my family's land in Coastal Georgia. 221 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: But but normally September and early October is when most 222 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: people who are planning their falls food plot that you 223 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: know could be a factory in October um and if 224 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: you have a leftover, say warm season plot of some 225 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: beans or colthies, or a soybean field that hadn't been 226 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: harvested yet, that may still come into play as far 227 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: as man made. How about natural food sources in the South, 228 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: What are some food sources that are relevant for October 229 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: in that part of the country. Gonna be acorns, the 230 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: white oaks should start falling. I was out this weekend hunting. 231 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: The water oaks were starting early, and there was a 232 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: very abundant water oak acorn crop out there right now, 233 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: but to the point that it was too too much, 234 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, I really couldn't get any type of deer 235 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: concentration around the water oak tree because there were lots 236 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: of them. The white oaks were not falling yet. And 237 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: we've also got a pretty good crop of swamp chestnut oaks, 238 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: which are also in the white oak family, so they're 239 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: pretty desirable acorns. I'm seeing good crops of those, but 240 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: they're not falling yet. The white oaks really won't start 241 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 1: kicking in until October, and the swamp chestnut oats a 242 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: little bit later. We've got a good crop of crab 243 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: apples out there right now. That's what I was actually 244 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: hunting over this past weekend, was uh, some patterns around 245 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: crab apple trees. Um, and it looks like a good 246 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: per simmon crop too. But those per simmons will probably 247 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: be strong in October. Crab apples will pretty much be gone, 248 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 1: so we'll be talking about um acorns and the white 249 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: oak families starting to fall in October and for simmons 250 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: should be pretty good. Are you seeing any signmaking in 251 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: the woods yet in Coastal Georgia? Yes, Um, I got 252 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: my first picture of a younger buck going with a 253 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 1: full great sequence on September eleven. Uh, it got an 254 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: other sequence. Um, they three a little bit over bug. 255 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: So they're starting scrapes in Coastal Georgia. When I was 256 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: down there, besides the ones my cameras are on, I 257 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: was seeing you know, the first uh, scrapes under leaking 258 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: limbs all around in the traditional locations. Now up in 259 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: the property I hunted up in Central Georgia, closer to 260 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: Central Georgia, I was not seeing that. I'm not seeing 261 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: scrapes start up yet, and that makes sense. We're normally 262 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: in Central Georgia about two weeks behind the rut timing 263 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: of coastal Georgia. So yeah, things are starting to cook 264 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: in coastal Georgia, and you know the next four weeks 265 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,840 Speaker 1: are gonna be really strong for a bud movement, but 266 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: again not quite there in central Georgia. Now every year, 267 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: and I talked to you, Lindsay, I ask you to 268 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: speak on behalf of white tail studies and science about 269 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: what it says when it comes to cold fronts. And 270 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: it's a little bit unfair of me, but you do 271 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: such a good job of articulating it that I'm gonna 272 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: ask you again. So when we inevitably get that October 273 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: cold front for most of country, which I don't see 274 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: in the forecast yet, but it's it's certainly gonna happen, 275 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: what do studies and scientists say about white tail movement 276 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to cold weather or warm weather? The 277 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: data does not show a connection. It just done. Lots 278 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: of studies have been done on this. You can talk 279 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: to the experts. They've stock stared at the data until 280 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: their cross side and you just can't see a correlation 281 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: between buck movement or deer movement and air temperature. Uh 282 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: So it's the rut. That's really what it is. Cold 283 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: fronts get hunters on their feet, not so much the deer. Um. 284 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: I love to hunt cold front as much as anybody else, 285 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 1: but this science shows. I mean, look at what's going 286 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: on in coast of Georgia right now. The buck movement 287 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: is picking up as it should right now given the 288 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: typical timing of breeding. The peak for us is going 289 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: to be around the scene late October every year. Wherever 290 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: you hunt, you know that that peak of breeding is 291 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: going to happen roughly around the same time every year, 292 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: and the buck movement is going to increase as the 293 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: weeks approach that date, no matter what the weather is doing. 294 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: So uh, you know, when a dove comes into Estus, 295 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: a cold front is not gonna stop that. She's not 296 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: gonna go out of Estras because it's warm. Um. So 297 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: when a doze in Estus, bucks are going to be 298 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: pursuing that. You know they're going to be active. So 299 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: you know, as I always say, look if it's around 300 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: the time of the peak of the rud or getting 301 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: close and buck movements picking up and should be where 302 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: you hunt. If it's warm, you still should go hunting, 303 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: don't stay home. Just because it's warm, because the bucks 304 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: are still moving. That is what the data in in 305 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: numerous studies using GPS collared bucks shows. Going forward. Then 306 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: in the six week or so, what do you think 307 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: that buck activity is going to be on a scale 308 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 1: of one to ten in Georgia. I'm gonna say next 309 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: week in coastal Georgia, we're gonna be around of five 310 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: to six. Um. Opening day gun season for US is 311 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: October six, should be things should be really good around 312 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: then on bug movement, So five to six next week 313 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: as we get into early October, and then you know, 314 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: moving on up again. The last two weeks of October 315 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: are going to be strong for US. Middle Georgia, most 316 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 1: of the state i'd say is more around a four. 317 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: Maybe UH should be up to around the four next week, 318 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: is what I'm thinking, because again they'll they'll begin to 319 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: sort of following along picking up with those first tenantive 320 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: scrapes uh starting next week. All right, lindsay, great, Intil, 321 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: thanks for joining me in. Good luck with the rest 322 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 1: of your season. You're too, Spencer, thanks so much, all right, 323 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: and joining us on the line next is Caitlin Moss 324 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: from Missouri. From Caitlin Moss Outdoors now Caitlin and Missouri. 325 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: What would you say the buck activity is bad lately? 326 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, honestly, I would 327 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: say it's about a five. I would say less. But 328 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: this past week we got a cold front and I 329 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: think a few people were able to capitalize on that. 330 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: Um But just from my personal experience this past week, 331 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: it's been pretty slow, and I think the biggest reason 332 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: is because it's just so hot. We're getting tempts and 333 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: like the mid eighties, so I think they're just not 334 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: really moving much in daylight. And I've seen a few bucks, 335 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 1: but not not as not as much activity as I 336 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: have seen in past years. What are you seeing for 337 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: signmaking right now? Not much. I kind of did it 338 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: a little bit scouting preseason, and typically you know this 339 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: time of year, I'm seeing rubs and scrapes everywhere. But 340 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: I've seen one rub in about a two mile radius 341 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 1: and two scrapes, So nothing. Nothing to um crazy right now. 342 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: And um, this is a piece that I have hunted 343 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: in the past, and by now typically there's a lot 344 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 1: more signs, So pretty slow now. I know that you 345 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: hunt a lot of public land and you often are 346 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,640 Speaker 1: scouting as you go, what are some things that you're 347 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: looking for in late September early October when you're scouting 348 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: in season, well late September, it's kind of a weird. 349 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: It really just depends on I would say, whether I 350 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: really like to look for bagg fields if I can 351 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: some public doesn't have that. Last year it was a 352 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: crp um feel, and so this year it's beens. So 353 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: I've kind of been focusing on that um and just 354 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,399 Speaker 1: kind of getting a general idea of where they're moving 355 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 1: and maybe where they're coming from. And then as I, 356 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: you know, kind of get a pattern on them, I 357 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,160 Speaker 1: like to move in into the timber a little more 358 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: and try to get a little bit closer to the 359 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: bedding UM. So that's kind of been my focus currently. 360 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: What are other relevant food sources on public land in 361 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: that part of the country Right now, the acorn crop 362 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: is pretty good. UM, I'm seeing a ton of those, 363 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: But where I'm at, it's there's just so much food 364 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: that it can be really hard to pinpoint. There's just 365 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: a lot of brows, there's a lot of bag fields, 366 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of acorns, so it really is difficult 367 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: to kind of figure out where they're at because there's 368 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: no like one direct food source. So yeah, and are 369 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: you having more success finding buck move in the mornings 370 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: or the evenings right now? Well, I only hunted one 371 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 1: morning so far, and it was honestly really good, but um, 372 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: it was cold. It dropped down into like the fifth East. Um, 373 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: so I thought I might as well try it out 374 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: and see and I did see a buck, But um, 375 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: so far, I've pretty much just been focusing on evenings 376 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: just because it's really hot, and um, they just have 377 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: been hitting the bean field at night. So that's my 378 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: current situation. Walk is through what your ideal public land 379 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: set up looks like in Missouri in early October, whether 380 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: that's a morning hunter and evening haunted, and what you're 381 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: hunting over in the timber? Is it a field edge? Oh? 382 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,920 Speaker 1: I like to be in the timber, um kind of. 383 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: I would say halfway between betting and food if I can, 384 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 1: because by then I typically figure out at least a 385 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 1: general area of where they're hanging out, So I would 386 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: say timber next to some kind of oaks three or 387 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 1: something that could potentially draw them in. I really am 388 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: just kind of a hanging hunt scout. As I go person, 389 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: So it really just depends what kind of activity I'm seeing, 390 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: but that's typically what I go for. Go forward. Then, 391 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: in the next week or so, what do you think 392 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: that bucket activity is going to be on a scale 393 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 1: of one to ten in Missouri? I say it's gonna 394 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: be about a four or five still, just because it's 395 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: gonna be so hot. Um. I think once attempts start dropping, 396 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: you know, maybe early October, then I think things will 397 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: start picking up. All right, Kitlin, thanks for the information, 398 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: good luck with the rest of your season, and thanks 399 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: for joining me. Thank you all right and joining us 400 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: on the line. Next is Brett Joy in New Hampshire 401 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: from Just Hunt Club. Now Brett in New Hampshire. What 402 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: would you say the bucket activity has been lately? On 403 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,880 Speaker 1: a scale one to ten, I would say it's done 404 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 1: pretty low. Um the last week or so, I'd say 405 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: it's probably been something like a free Um. We're here 406 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: in our second week of the season. I guess, yeah, 407 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: well almost in our second week of the season. The 408 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: end of the second week, UM, temperatures have been slightly 409 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: above average and that's gonna suppress movement early season for sure. UM. 410 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: The other thing is we have seen um kind of 411 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: just a shift in dear activity this past week. I 412 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: would say, from more of a summers feeding pattern to 413 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 1: a fall feeding pattern. So I would say overall activity 414 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 1: has been pretty low. When you're hunting the big woods 415 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 1: of the Northeast, what are some food sources that you 416 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 1: find to be most relevant in October? UM? So for 417 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: most of the Northeast. UM. In the big woods, mass 418 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: crop is the name of the game. Whether it's harder 419 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: south soft mass UM. For us, it's it's acorns, particularly 420 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 1: red oaks. UM. They're the mass crop that's most prevalent 421 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: in our area. UM. You may have some white oaks 422 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: as well. UM, beech nuts as you go further north, 423 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: and the oaks are is prevalent UM. And then across 424 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: the Northeast for soft mass mass it's gonna be apples. 425 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: So I think those are probably the three food sources 426 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 1: to be focused on right now. So oaks, beech nuts, 427 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: and apples, And it seems like there's a pretty good 428 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: mass crop for all three this fall. Are you seeing 429 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,640 Speaker 1: any signmaking in the woods yet? Yep. UM, we kind 430 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: of got off the deer activity little bit this after 431 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: the first week of the season. So I did do 432 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: a little scouting yesterday. UM, gotten to an area mountainside 433 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: that's full of red oaks. Found a bunch of acorns 434 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: on the ground, so I knew those trees are producing, 435 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: and immediately h started to find some bucks signs. So 436 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,239 Speaker 1: I found a bunch of scrapes, kind of a new 437 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 1: scrape line. UM. I haven't really seen much of that 438 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: until I guess this past week. I've I've seen some 439 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: bucks hitting licking branches. Well, that kind of continues year around, 440 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: but I have seen it pretty good in the month 441 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: I guess August September, UM, but I haven't really seen 442 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: any fresh scrapes where the grounds bought up, and so 443 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: I just started to see that. So that's a good sign, 444 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: and I think probably most of that's going to be 445 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: tight to betting and then obviously around food sources. What 446 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: sort of differences do you notice around signmaking when it 447 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,199 Speaker 1: comes to bucks in the Northeast versus bucks in the 448 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 1: Midwest when you're hunting around more traditional agriculture. So I 449 00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: think there's not a ton of difference. And like the 450 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: nature of the sign I guess it's you know, rubs 451 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: and scrapes and stuff like that, there's there's not much difference. 452 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: I think that the difference is the variability in the 453 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 1: volume of sign um. Because we have such low deer densities, 454 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,719 Speaker 1: you're gonna see sign in a particular area more dependent 455 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,679 Speaker 1: on a buck's personality. In the Midwestern maybe time fifteen 456 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: bucks using a particular area. Pretty good chance one or 457 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: two or five or even ten of those bucks you're 458 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: gonna have a fairly aggressive personality. Um. You know one 459 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: that inclines in the lead leaving a bunch of sign 460 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: down up here in the big woods are deer density solo. 461 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: There may be like three or four bucks in the 462 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: area period, and maybe only one or none of those 463 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: bucks have the personalitationality to leave a bunch of signs. 464 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: So you may see at just a little sign, but 465 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that you're off the X or it's 466 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: not there that you should spend time on and trying 467 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: to gauge that. You know, the volume of sign and 468 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 1: how you interpret it is important. So they may find 469 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: just maybe one or two scrapes and a couple of 470 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: smaller rubs um, and that may be enough for me 471 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: to investigate more or hunt that area, because there may 472 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,680 Speaker 1: be a great, big you know, old mature buck. That's 473 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: it just doesn't have a personality to the caraffe entire woods. 474 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,199 Speaker 1: If you find an area where the entire woods store up, 475 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: well that's really good too. But I wouldn't be discourage 476 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: when you find you a lower volume of sign um. 477 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: It's it's being able to gauge that and realize that, hey, 478 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,159 Speaker 1: there aren't twenty bucks in here, so I can't. I 479 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 1: don't won't expect to see as much sign as I would. 480 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: You know, on the back edge of a bean field 481 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: in September and you know, Indiana or something like that. 482 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: If you want to focus on buck bedding in October, 483 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: how do you identify and find buck beds in the 484 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: big woods? That's the challenge. I think it's mostly topography 485 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: driven in the mountains. Um as you get into some 486 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,560 Speaker 1: lower land stuff, it's going to be dictated by you know, 487 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: fit cover or swampy areas. They're a great bet um. 488 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: I don't spend a ton of time worrying too much 489 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 1: about specific beds. I'll know that, hey they're going to 490 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: bet on the point of this mountain like they always do, 491 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: or on this bench on mountain. I'm more worried about 492 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: the best food source and then kind of what bets 493 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 1: beds relate to that food source, rather than trying to 494 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: find the beds and then find the food. So um 495 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: our bucks are I don't want to say they're nomadic 496 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: because they definitely have like home ranges, but they move 497 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: a lot within that home range, and their home ranges 498 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: could be huge, so I'm not so focused on this bed. 499 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: They may have twenty different you know, areas that they 500 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: bed to the course of a year. So just trying 501 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: to find the hot food sources probably a better idea. 502 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: And then you know the topography that lends itself to betting, 503 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: uh directly, I guess related to that food source is 504 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 1: going to be your way to find you know, where 505 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: they're betting going forward. Then in this next week or so, 506 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: what do you think that buckettv is going to be 507 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten in New Hampshire. 508 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of looking at the forecast here and 509 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: it looks like we're going to have a cold from 510 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 1: that's gonna come in in the next couple of days. 511 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: I'm not sure it's that when this is gonna come out, 512 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: but I've seen pretty quickly so towards you know, the 513 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: first of October, last few days here in September, we're 514 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: gonna get some below average weather, uh temperature wise, so 515 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: I think that will give up pick the buck activity. 516 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: If you have found that food source, that mass crop 517 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 1: food source that they're on, I think you could have 518 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: some excellent movement maybe you know, seven, eight, nine, even 519 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: ten um. If you're off the accident on that food source, 520 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,200 Speaker 1: you're probably gonna have more of the same. So find 521 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: that food source and where those deer moving to stop 522 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: here because they're not moving that far is critical. If 523 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: you find that, I think you're gonna have some really 524 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: good activity um in the next week. Now, earlier this month, 525 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 1: breat you killed one of the widest bucks that I've 526 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 1: ever seen a picture of. I think you said he 527 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 1: was twenty seven inches wide. If you want to see 528 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: the video of that hunt, you can go to YouTube 529 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: and check out just Hunt Clubs channel and you'll find 530 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: that haunt there. Uh crazy deer, crazy hunt. Thank you 531 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: for joining me, Brett, and good luck with the rest 532 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: of your season. Thanks Spenser, appreciate it YouTube all right 533 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: and joining us on the line. Last is Byron Horton 534 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: in Ohio from the White Tail Experience now Byron in Ohio. 535 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: What would you say the buck activities bent lately on 536 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: a scale of one to ten. Yeah, based on some 537 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: trail camp dads and visual sightings, I'd say a solid 538 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 1: six out of ten. We had some favorable conditions for 539 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: our opener as far as uh below normal tents, and 540 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 1: we visually saw a couple of bucks on their feet, 541 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: including some some mid morning action which was kind of crazy. 542 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go ahead and go six out of ten, 543 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: which seems higher right now? Where are you running a 544 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 1: lot of your trail cameras right now? Right now, I'd 545 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: say a majority of my trail cams are on scrapes, 546 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: and personally I'm attacking a little more big woods pieces, 547 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: so um, I have shifted to maybe some bigger trails 548 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: going in and out of oak flats, um in and 549 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: around clear cuts as well, but dominant us on on 550 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: the scrapes right now. You said that you've been seeing 551 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: better movement in the mornings. What does a morning set 552 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,920 Speaker 1: up look like for you in early October? Yeah, I think, 553 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: based on some of the trail cam data and obviously 554 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: general hunts morning, I like an early access. UM, getting 555 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: in there well before daylight, being at the base of 556 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: your tree a solid hour two hour and thirty before daylight. 557 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: It's definitely key. And then obviously UM kind of playing 558 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: the game of avoiding where these deer transitioning to UM. 559 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: Other than that, it's it's it's nothing crazy UM as 560 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: far as the morning hunt goes. But the trail camp 561 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: data does seem to show those cooler mornings and the 562 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: deer movement. As of some of the scouting I got 563 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 1: done right before season. I had more bucks in daylight 564 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: in the morning halfs than then, say, the evening, So 565 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: I would not hesitate if you had the information to 566 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 1: go after it. In Midwestern states like Ohio. What are 567 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 1: some relevant food sources that you're focused on on public land? Yeah, 568 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: oh so the key UM And something I've kind of 569 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 1: been been trying to figure out better in the last 570 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: couple of years is scouting the oaks that are actually 571 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: producing every year or every other and really poking around 572 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: a good amount of the week or so before season. UM. 573 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: It seems like chestnut oaks, which is kind of a 574 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 1: belief part of the white oak family, UM, are are 575 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: hot this year. And yeah, that's what I've I've bumped 576 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: some deer off of even mid day. Uh, it seems 577 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: like early October. Sometimes I catched these deer midday on 578 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 1: these oak flats if I if I had time to 579 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 1: scout um. Other than that, the other thing I kind 580 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: of look forward with oaks related to it is windy days. 581 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: If you have, how at least here in Ohio, something 582 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: above fifteen miles an hour, or gusty or a front 583 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: or some sort of storm, it puts a lot of 584 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: oaks on the ground quickly and there's dear no about it. 585 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: So that's some of some of some tactics that I 586 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 1: kind of have used or in fine tuning in the 587 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: last couple of years. Is those windy days. Uh, Dumping 588 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: oak um kind of creates a nice effect on those 589 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 1: oak class We're coming off of a recent full moon. 590 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: Is that something that you notice had an effect on 591 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: deer movement for Ohio as open or is it anything 592 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: that you pay attention to in hunting public land? You know, 593 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't really look at the moon as anything. 594 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 1: I may look back at the overhead and under foot 595 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: times if if I see obscure movement, but it's not 596 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 1: something I base anything around. I'm much bigger on hunting 597 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: pressure and weather and what are you seeing for signmaking 598 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: right now? It's limited. Um, Actually, that's something I'll bounce 599 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: around the week before the opener, only found one rub, 600 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: and then I'll go in in on my evening hunt 601 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: on the open or Saturday evening. I found a small 602 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: cluster of rubs, but you know, I walked a mile 603 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: to get in there and didn't see any So it's 604 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: it's something that right now if you find it, especially 605 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: maybe in lower dear number population areas, I think it's 606 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,160 Speaker 1: something really key in on because you can judge how 607 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: fresh the rubs are with the shavings, but also if 608 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: that tree is kind of bleeding or you know, it's 609 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: got some moisture to that rub, it's it's definitely a 610 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: telltale sign right now. You mentioned that part of your 611 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: game plan is trying to avoid hunting pressure. Is there 612 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: any part of like the month of October that you 613 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: see less hunting pressure than the less of this than 614 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: the rest of the season in Ohio? Yeah, I do 615 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,479 Speaker 1: think it does relate to the Buckeye games, uh a 616 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: little bit as far as football fans, But you know, 617 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: you've really got the public land, not to yourself, but 618 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: there's a there's definitely a low and hunting pressure from 619 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: the second week of season two really right around the 620 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: twentie UM, I want to say so especially weekday hunts 621 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: and even weekends. There's there's less pressure now for the 622 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: next stile, let's call it twenty days before it really 623 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: ramps up. If you're doing some in season scouting in 624 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: early October, what are some things that you're looking for. Yeah, 625 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: I would say finding trail, like we talked about with 626 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: the rub lines, because those are limited right now. Those 627 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: are key droppings under certain oaks, are on oak flats. 628 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: Bumping deer in general is always a good thing. UM. 629 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: Potentially you know, to get some visual sightings. UM. I 630 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 1: do look for a little bit of brows if there's 631 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: greenbrier in an area. UM. And then obviously scrapes because 632 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: there's not a time that are opened up, so it 633 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: was getting on those and then deploying cameras that can 634 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: can let you know what's going on. UM. But I 635 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: do think you know, in season scouting right now is 636 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: huge because I'm looking ahead wanting to know when that 637 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: that early to mid October cold friends coming and that's 638 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: when I want to be in position going forward. Then 639 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: in the sex week or so, what do you think 640 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: that buck activity is going to be on a scale 641 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: of one to ten in Ohio? Yeah, I'm gonna go 642 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: three point five. I just don't think it's it's super high. 643 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 1: We kind of just have some stagnant to average weather. 644 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: There's a few maybe small rainfronts in the fork US, 645 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: but no dramatic drops, no home run get everybody excited 646 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: on Facebook type cold fronts that I can see at 647 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: this point. So I don't think chances are going to 648 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: be as high as they work for our open All right, Byron, 649 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: good luck with the rest of your season, and thanks 650 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: for joining me. Thanks Spencer, And that concludes this week's 651 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: episode of rout Fresh Radio. Thanks to Lindsay, Caitlin Brett, 652 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,719 Speaker 1: and Byron for joining me, and thank you guys for listening. 653 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: As a reminder, you can find this week's reading materials 654 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: in the description of the podcast, like how to deer Hunt, 655 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: standing Corn, everything I use on d I y out 656 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: of State deer hunts, A guaranteed way to ruin any 657 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 1: deer hunt, and the truth about frontal shots on deer. 658 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: The next time I talked to you. It will be October, 659 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: which I'm sure you're is excited about as me. Until then, 660 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.