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Speaker 1: our Recap Season two, episode sixteen, There's the Rub is
Speaker 1: the one and only Scout Taylor Compton. Welcome, Scout. How
Speaker 1: are you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm doing so good your face.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you too. You're the creator and
Speaker 1: writer of the Diaries of the Mortician's Daughter, a semi
Speaker 1: autobiographical coming of age dark comedy inspired by your unconventional
Speaker 1: upbringing in a funeral home. You also co host podcast
Speaker 1: talks to Be with Danielle Harris. In addition to your
Speaker 1: work on screen and behind the camera, Scout has been
Speaker 1: actively writing her own screenplays. Oh boy, don't I know
Speaker 1: what that's like, several of which are now in motion
Speaker 1: to be greenlit. Wow. Wow, yeah, look at you.
Speaker 2: I'm growing up, baby, Look at you go.
Speaker 1: Screenplays, man, it's like the kids, they take over, you know.
Speaker 1: There was a like I worked with a kid on
Speaker 1: Three Wishes in ninety five. Yeah, and he played my son.
Speaker 1: He was what eight or nine or something like that.
Speaker 1: He turned out to like he invented digital money, oh
Speaker 1: within video games and became insanely rich and on the
Speaker 1: cover of Forbes. Not only it was like, you're following
Speaker 1: the same path the kids grow up.
Speaker 2: That's also because we've had people in our lives I'm
Speaker 2: sure you you know like that we were able to
Speaker 2: look up to and admire be like, wow, look at
Speaker 2: that person what they're able to accomplish. And I feel
Speaker 2: like with my generation, at least for me, I feel
Speaker 2: like I'm such a late bloomber. I should have been
Speaker 2: doing this ten years ago, but right right now I'm
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: Well, there's more to tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, more more life, more life.
Speaker 1: Like you know Laurie Strode Rob Zombie's Halloween films you
Speaker 1: were in. It also started Halloween to the Runaways so
Speaker 1: much more. Gilmore Girls fan recognize you as Dean's younger
Speaker 1: sister Claria. Of course, all right, Scout, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about this episode. Emily wins a weekend spa trip and
Speaker 1: ask Laura La to join her for relaxing holiday. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: Rory received some unexpected visitors when she you know what,
Speaker 1: very sort of like non eventful things happening in anybody's lives,
Speaker 1: but for somehow the show makes it compelling. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: A couple of people come over and study, and it's dinner.
Speaker 2: And it's not like house.
Speaker 1: Sheila Lawrence directed at Amy Sherman Palatino, The Great One,
Speaker 1: wrote it Emily and Laura. Emily been on a certificate
Speaker 1: for a weekend at a spa and offers it to Laura.
Speaker 1: Laurla shares her excitement about the offer, but then Emily
Speaker 1: decides she will join her. Oh, make sure all of
Speaker 1: her appointments all together. Are you surprised that Emily is
Speaker 1: not a spa person.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not because it's very much like my mother.
Speaker 2: This sort of dynamic reminds me so much of my
Speaker 2: mom and I so my mom is not a small person.
Speaker 2: And when this happened, I just thought of my own situation.
Speaker 2: I was like, would I ever want to go to
Speaker 2: a spa with my mother? No, because this is exactly
Speaker 2: what would happen. It's like these two, these two women
Speaker 2: doing the same thing. They're both trying to control the
Speaker 2: situation and not wanting to admit that they're trying to
Speaker 2: control the situation. Also, they're both looking for this love
Speaker 2: from one another, but both are not wanting to admit
Speaker 2: that there are looking for this love from one another.
Speaker 2: It's it's like one of those dynamics.
Speaker 1: Right, Emily's ulterior motive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean to me, this episode, you know,
Speaker 2: this episode's really about like how trauma shapes or defenses
Speaker 2: or our defenses, you know, and like what might happen
Speaker 2: if we actually let those guards down, even for a second.
Speaker 2: So I think it's this episode's really important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very honest talk they had on the bed. Emily
Speaker 1: was very vulnerable. Why can't we have the relationship you
Speaker 1: have with Rory she's jealous.
Speaker 2: Of Yeah, yeah, sad so too. The jealousy.
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like Laurel is always trying to or
Speaker 1: giving up with her mom. They you know, they tend
Speaker 1: to sort of like come together and then she gives up.
Speaker 1: Do you relate to that push pulled dynamic with family
Speaker 1: at all? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do. I think I think I think.
Speaker 1: That's why I think most people do, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why Gilmore Girls was so powerful,
Speaker 2: because it had all these layers of different dynamics with family,
Speaker 2: the one that you're in that's messy or the one
Speaker 2: that you like. At least for me, with Loralai and Rory,
Speaker 2: I was always like, God, I want that. I hope
Speaker 2: to be that with with my my child, you know.
Speaker 2: But there's there's there's pros and cons in both of them,
Speaker 2: I feel like. But I think that's what made Gilmore
Speaker 2: Girls so special.
Speaker 1: Here's a question. Would you are on the you know
Speaker 1: your child? Would you err on the side of Emily
Speaker 1: or on the side of Lorala and your relationship your
Speaker 1: closeness to your child?
Speaker 2: Oh man, you know I am. I don't have any kids,
Speaker 2: but I teach a lot of kids, and a lot
Speaker 2: of young adults grab towards me. I have a lot
Speaker 2: of kids in my in my circle, especially that I
Speaker 2: check on and you know, making sure that they're good,
Speaker 2: how are they progressing? All this stuff. But there's there's
Speaker 2: a happy medium, like being their friend, but also having structure.
Speaker 2: I think structure is so fucking important, really important.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I was just seeing a situation the other
Speaker 2: day where, you know, a kid was wanting to give
Speaker 2: up baseball, and I was like, oh, I was like,
Speaker 2: how many how many practices that they do?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Just one like you bought all the stuff. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he doesn't want to do it. I'm like, they're pus,
Speaker 2: You're gidding a little bit.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: You have to give them structure, a little bit of structure,
Speaker 2: you know, make sure a happy medium.
Speaker 1: I feel like right, structure is the thing that saves
Speaker 1: people one hundred. If they don't have it, they crumble.
Speaker 1: If they have it, they can hang on to that ladder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they can go down or up as slowly as
Speaker 1: quickly as they want, but at least.
Speaker 2: They have the option exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: That's what I try to give my boy.
Speaker 2: How are you as a dad? How are you? How
Speaker 2: are you? What's what? Who are you? Who are you?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: Lorli or Emily?
Speaker 1: I'm both both? Yeah, yeah, I'm both. But it's like,
Speaker 1: because he's so he doesn't need any discipline, I mean
Speaker 1: very little. He's very self motivated. He's extremely smart, and
Speaker 1: he's so hard working. He's got all of these characteristics
Speaker 1: that I wanted him to have. And he's you know,
Speaker 1: he's sensitive, and he's he's got a great heart. So
Speaker 1: he doesn't need me to ride him. He just does stuff.
Speaker 1: He knows what he is expected of him, and the
Speaker 1: feedback that I get from his instructors, his teachers, you know,
Speaker 1: he said camp now and his camp counselors and things
Speaker 1: like that. Is it that he's such a well mattered, polite,
Speaker 1: considerate young man and that that does me? I mean
Speaker 1: that really hits me in the heart, you know, just
Speaker 1: love hearing that. But it depends. I mean not every
Speaker 1: kid is like that. I mean there are difficult kids too,
Speaker 1: so then they need they need a whole different approach.
Speaker 2: You did that, though, isn't that incredible? Like you did
Speaker 2: that well?
Speaker 1: I mean, my wife and I did that. I think
Speaker 1: I think a lot of it. And I read something
Speaker 1: where you know, your influence, your parents influence over a
Speaker 1: kid is minimal compared to their environment and their friends
Speaker 1: and their friends friends and their friends parents. And they're
Speaker 1: they're wiring how they're wired. They're they're predestined in some way,
Speaker 1: and I I don't know. I think it's some lanes
Speaker 1: of his life that's true to one other's not so much.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Okay, So, so Emily got Lorelei in her
Speaker 1: congining rooms at the hotel. At the couple's massages. That
Speaker 1: was one of the funniest lines of the whole time.
Speaker 2: So good?
Speaker 1: Like what mom? You know what people do after they
Speaker 1: get like they book a massage together? Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh good?
Speaker 2: But literally went over her head.
Speaker 1: I love how she gets up and she gets on
Speaker 1: an elbow and she's like, Mom, I gotta tell you something.
Speaker 1: You know what people do after these things? Right?
Speaker 2: I want to ask because I didn't really ever like
Speaker 2: see this dynamic. How is their dynamic as actors together
Speaker 2: those two?
Speaker 1: Oh it's great. Yeah, very powerful, very very they're very friendly,
Speaker 1: very close.
Speaker 2: No wonder, no wonder it shows.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh it's no, it's it's it's that's what
Speaker 1: I miss so much about working with that cast. They
Speaker 1: were all so good. Yeah, you know you really had
Speaker 1: to come in with your a game where you were
Speaker 1: going to get your luve handed to you. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was just so great. I see, that's
Speaker 1: the environment I love to be in. It's like, bring it,
Speaker 1: let's see if you got it today. Yeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are just like I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of these shows maybe just because there's so
Speaker 2: there's so many it's just like a coasting. It's like
Speaker 2: a coasting thing all around, not just like actors, but
Speaker 2: like even even what the show is written even when
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be. It just kind of just seems
Speaker 2: like just doing like the bare minimum, you.
Speaker 1: Know what I think has happened. And a friend of
Speaker 1: mine brought this up to me. It's very interesting observation
Speaker 1: about and certain people have stated this in interviews. So
Speaker 1: it must be a thing, right, it must be an algorithm,
Speaker 1: must be data that somebody somewhere is analyzing to make
Speaker 1: shows where they can sort of be background noise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's not to ruffle anybody's feathers and not to
Speaker 1: be so you know, a certain type of show, and
Speaker 1: that not to challenge anybody, not to provoke in too
Speaker 1: many ways, but background noise where people can have it
Speaker 1: on and gain comfort from it. And it doesn't have
Speaker 1: to be you know, the requirements aren't that, you know,
Speaker 1: you really have to nail a performance or the writing
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be great, and it doesn't even have
Speaker 1: to make sense. Really, there can be huge logic holes
Speaker 1: throughout the whole thing, but as long as it's comforting
Speaker 1: right now, Gilmore never had that issue. I mean, every
Speaker 1: once in a while there's a logic thing or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it's so rare, right, it's so rare. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that had all of the elements. It's like a lot
Speaker 1: of shows that imitate that show because there were a
Speaker 1: lot of you know, copycat shows after Gilmore is that
Speaker 1: they just don't have well.
Speaker 2: They don't have any d Yeah, clean herself, right, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Background noise, background noise.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: It's because we have too much distractions, because it literally
Speaker 2: is that. I mean, could you imagine that. I'm just
Speaker 2: going into Like as you were saying that, my mind
Speaker 2: went to, you know, turning the TV guide and finding
Speaker 2: out when the episode would air and having to be
Speaker 2: in front of the TV to see that episode or
Speaker 2: you'd miss it. Or then then now you have VHS
Speaker 2: tape three, you can record it and what do you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying? Like everything she was so excited
Speaker 2: to come together and like escape together. Now it's like
Speaker 2: we're just like disassociating ourselves from one another.
Speaker 1: In our shows, right all right, So after the facial,
Speaker 1: Anily sneaks into louralizing to chat about all the robes,
Speaker 1: what's next on the our Tinneraries, which is a couples
Speaker 1: of stash, which we talk about. After not being impressed
Speaker 1: by the vegetarian memory. They go to a chop house.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a nice steakhouse. Yeah, that was hilarious.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: That was not that was not up her. Ally, she
Speaker 2: was like and she's just mortified by everything, right, and
Speaker 2: she kind of slowly started to like let her guard down,
Speaker 2: which is really nice to see. I love it when
Speaker 2: Emily lets her guard down. It's like the cutest thing
Speaker 2: to watch, it really is.
Speaker 1: Right, So now she's getting eyeballed by Halandon. I think
Speaker 1: that was hall Lindon. Hallandon was a big star in
Speaker 1: the set of duc at his own shows and that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Yeah, he played a guy named Chad
Speaker 1: and he invites them later to dance and she does.
Speaker 2: God, there's such a beautiful moment.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was really such a beautiful moment watching that. Even
Speaker 2: even with them at the bar, you know, like they laugh,
Speaker 2: they talk, it's almost like we were I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was seeing a glimpse of the relationship that they
Speaker 2: could have had if they both, like I said, let
Speaker 2: their cards down. And then boom, it just like falls
Speaker 2: apart again.
Speaker 1: Well, hell, Lindon got a little close there with the
Speaker 1: slow Dance number two and Emily freaked and left and
Speaker 1: blamed Laura l I and said, I'm a how dare
Speaker 1: you get me in this situation like this, I'm somebody's
Speaker 1: wife and I can't do this? She was out there.
Speaker 1: Can't blame her, right, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, but what's so heartbreaking is, like, you know, Emily's
Speaker 2: you know, she tries like her way of showing love
Speaker 2: is deeply flawed. Sure, but it's like wrapped up in
Speaker 2: this like expectations and this passive aggressiveness. But she does,
Speaker 2: I mean, she does want a relationship with her daughter.
Speaker 2: You can just see it so bad.
Speaker 1: You can just yeah, you know, you think it's cheating
Speaker 1: if you slow danced with a guy named Chaf.
Speaker 2: And then the guy's name is Chad, it's cheating, just kidding.
Speaker 1: So still Emily and Laura were, you know, they're finally
Speaker 1: getting law. Something always goes wrong. That's the purity of
Speaker 1: the relationship, that's the beauty of the writing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's also like Laurla, you know understandably she's she's
Speaker 2: still carrying a lot of scars, you know, from childhood
Speaker 2: with her mom and her upbringing. I just recently did
Speaker 2: a TV show and and the writer we we we
Speaker 2: went to his family home and the script that he
Speaker 2: wrote was kind of based on his family, and I
Speaker 2: remember having a conversation with him. I was like, hey, like,
Speaker 2: this is going to bring up some stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: but you think you field those things until you're like
Speaker 2: brought on these situations and you're like, oh, I actually
Speaker 2: have not gotten over ABC and D and they come
Speaker 2: out with glimpses you know, trauma.
Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, let's go to Rory's Friday night. Paris shows up,
Speaker 1: Panic study, and then another guest shows up, Jess.
Speaker 2: Okay, Scott, can we just talk about Jess in Paris
Speaker 2: having this surprising, like spark filled conversation about literature and
Speaker 2: fast food. It was so good. It's such a good
Speaker 2: and I thought, now that I watched it as like
Speaker 2: an adult, I thought, wouldn't it have been interesting if
Speaker 2: Paris and Jess ended up together?
Speaker 1: Did they not?
Speaker 4: I know, all these people are like what na, but
Speaker 4: they're dynamic with each other, killed each other. It's kind
Speaker 4: of interesting, But sometimes you need that sort of that
Speaker 4: sort of person.
Speaker 2: In your life, you know, I'm saying I thought I
Speaker 2: thought their book Chat Is I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: it was considered one of the best literature dialogue the series.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a great piece of television. There's there's
Speaker 1: no to bring these characters together like that. It was.
Speaker 1: It was. It was wonderful to watch, and you want
Speaker 1: more of it, right, you wanted? I was thinking, God,
Speaker 1: this this is the spinoff. This should have been the spinoff.
Speaker 1: You know, she should have been involved. I think Amy
Speaker 1: just didn't want to lose too many you know, players
Speaker 1: on her on her show to a spinoff, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Okay, Paris was the obvious candidate. You know,
Speaker 1: their chemistry is great.
Speaker 2: What was Amy like? I mean because I obviously dealt
Speaker 2: with her as a young child, and she left such
Speaker 2: a such a mark for me at that age.
Speaker 1: But I just I think she was so happy to
Speaker 1: come on set and direct an episode to be with
Speaker 1: Pete that she loved, who loved her back fiercely, who
Speaker 1: she fought for to get those roles, and because she
Speaker 1: was fighting so many battles, you know, off the court
Speaker 1: as it were, she loved being in there and playing
Speaker 1: with us because she knew that it was going to
Speaker 1: be this wonderful, supportive, hysterically funny experience. Yeah, and she
Speaker 1: did that four times a year. Or something like that.
Speaker 1: And every time she came on set, it was just like,
Speaker 1: you know, the level just went way out.
Speaker 2: Everybody just was there every time I came to play, right,
Speaker 2: really every time. And I mean I have pictures of
Speaker 2: her and I like playing hacky Sack like it's so wild,
Speaker 2: Like I remember her vividly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, she's you can't forget her, you know,
Speaker 1: she makes that impression. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, always
Speaker 1: just there to make things better for everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: a great listener, great friend.
Speaker 3: All right, so.
Speaker 1: Just tells Ry that Luke sent him off to drop
Speaker 1: food off because she was alone. Rory asked serious questions,
Speaker 1: trying to finally used the lead. Yeah, and then stay
Speaker 1: he ate. He sat down Laura. I request Lauria to
Speaker 1: something bad while she's gone bikers and low lives. What
Speaker 1: would you do if your parents left you alone? And
Speaker 1: what did you do?
Speaker 2: And what did I do? My parents left me alone?
Speaker 2: I probably did as much as Rory did. Unfortunately, I
Speaker 2: lived in a mortuary, so not a lot of people
Speaker 2: wanted to come over anything. So it was not because
Speaker 2: I wanted to fold laundry just because I had dead
Speaker 2: people downstairs. I really wanted to egg out at my
Speaker 2: house at the Cemetery. So I went, and I I
Speaker 2: would just watch my favorite show, which was the Sixth
Speaker 2: Sense is that's Sixth Sense movie? And then well, uh,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was like a big like Rugrats
Speaker 2: fan as a kid, okay, like all those Nickelodeon shows
Speaker 2: and then ma Maury and then Jerry Springer gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right? So Paris drives all the way to
Speaker 1: stars Hall from hard for to say with Riy Scout
Speaker 1: what kind of high school or of roy or Paris
Speaker 1: or maybe a Luise? What word?
Speaker 2: I was none of them. I was like a Jess.
Speaker 2: I was very much a Jess, just like trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out. Had a lot to a lot of
Speaker 2: my past, and I was just trying to navigate. I
Speaker 2: really wanted like people to like me, but I didn't
Speaker 2: know how to. I didn't know how to do it.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I was very much Jess. Sorry, Mom and Dad, No,
Speaker 2: I was just too There's good things about being as
Speaker 2: we figure it out, We figure it out. It just
Speaker 2: takes as a bit of time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those days, all right. So he shows up, it's
Speaker 1: clear that he wants to spend time with Rory, but
Speaker 1: you know, is why does he always teases her about
Speaker 1: wanting to be around him?
Speaker 2: You know, you know, well he's a little boy still,
Speaker 2: you know, he's a little, little, little confused little boy.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like you poke the girl at recess and that
Speaker 2: you run away. His flirting is flirting. Chops weren't really
Speaker 2: up to par but I mean they worked for they
Speaker 2: worked for Rory. They were very endearing for sure. I
Speaker 2: mean it's even like if you went back to the
Speaker 2: beginning of the episode, even with like the the umbrella,
Speaker 2: you know, going over like there's there's there's this like softness,
Speaker 2: you know, that that tiny gesture that was like his
Speaker 2: version of.
Speaker 1: Affection, tending to her needs, anticipating that's what That's what
Speaker 1: a good guy does with somebody who cares does and.
Speaker 2: Rory saw it, she sees it. She's not you know,
Speaker 2: she's not used to that. You know, there's so much
Speaker 2: battle going between her and her and Dean. They're inner
Speaker 2: dialogue is obviously like you know, they're they're slipping away
Speaker 2: from one another. But yeah's relationship. You don't want to
Speaker 2: identify yourself as separate.
Speaker 1: He's just blow Yeah, it's so paris is so excited
Speaker 1: when Ry invites her to eat with them. Do you
Speaker 1: feel sorry for parents? I do feel like I do too.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: I did it when I first watched the show, But
Speaker 2: now I'm like, yeah, I get it, Like I get it,
Speaker 2: poor Paris. It's like this, It's like the same dynamic
Speaker 2: that Jess has, just a little. It's just just different.
Speaker 1: Her dad comes to her. Dad cancels a divorce when
Speaker 1: he realizes how much is going to cost him, and
Speaker 1: he allows his wife to redecorate the whole house.
Speaker 2: That house as a child.
Speaker 1: That's crazy house. That's not good. That's not good.
Speaker 2: That's like your reflection in your rearview mirror.
Speaker 1: Is that concept that's not good, That's not going to
Speaker 1: produce a happy child. Yeah, they say conflict, you know,
Speaker 1: it is the thing that that that ruins a child,
Speaker 1: the constant conflict. You know, you're always gonna have conflict.
Speaker 1: But I mean it doesn't have to be Yeah at
Speaker 1: that level. Jeez, When Roy Jess Parasy together, it seems
Speaker 1: like they all get along so well. Do you do
Speaker 1: you think that this would be it would be this
Speaker 1: natural if it were Dean instead of Jess. What do
Speaker 1: you think that that conversation between Dean and Paris would
Speaker 1: either be non existence or very brief.
Speaker 2: Oh, there would be no conversation. There would be no conversation.
Speaker 2: Dean is so lost in his own mind. I don't
Speaker 2: and and Rory Rory, Rory, Rory, Rory, Rory Rory. I
Speaker 2: don't think that he would even be able to compute
Speaker 2: anything else, you know, I mean, I do not remember
Speaker 2: that relationship though, Scott, Like, when you're in that relationship,
Speaker 2: it was like I eat and breathed this person, this person.
Speaker 2: It's it's so tough. No, you were never I was.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 2: I was a Dean at one point.
Speaker 1: I was never a Dean. Jess uses the word chaperone.
Speaker 1: Does he think he and Rory will do something of Paris?
Speaker 3: Wasn't there?
Speaker 1: You think he's got it on his mind? Yes, of course, of.
Speaker 2: Course, of course he does. Would he do anything? Do
Speaker 2: you think he would have?
Speaker 1: I think if there was an opening and she was
Speaker 1: okay with it, yes, So do you.
Speaker 2: Think that she was emotionally cheating?
Speaker 1: She is? Yeah, Yeah, she's a kid. She's sixteen, can't
Speaker 1: she's seventeen now, right, she's seventeen. Bourgeine right, expecting teenagers
Speaker 1: to control themselves. I mean, come on, did you could
Speaker 1: you control yourself?
Speaker 3: Cut? I?
Speaker 1: Oh, I could not, lest we judge.
Speaker 2: I just you know, I just wish that. I wish
Speaker 2: that at that age we weren't so hard on ourselves
Speaker 2: to like communicate easier. You know, like it should be
Speaker 2: so easy to like communicate to like an opposite sex
Speaker 2: or the same sex whatever, you know, just to be like,
Speaker 2: I'm not into you anymore. This isn't working. Why is
Speaker 2: that so hard to say? But why is that like
Speaker 2: so difficult at that at that age in time feels
Speaker 2: like forever.
Speaker 1: But Dean's a Dean's a good guy, right, Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a good, solid guy. Maybe not for her, but he's
Speaker 1: a good, solid guy, decent, decent person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just like clutching to this version of Rory
Speaker 2: that he you know, that he used to know the
Speaker 2: girl who's like all the books and town festivals and
Speaker 2: straight lighting plans. But now she's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: she's inching into this like complicated dynamic with Jess, and
Speaker 2: she's becoming more independent and becoming more layered, and you know,
Speaker 2: you can see your stepping into like the next chapter
Speaker 2: of her life kind of thing, and I'm sure he
Speaker 2: can see it too. Yeah, I see Deane's kind of
Speaker 2: stuck at the starting line, is what it is. He's
Speaker 2: just stuck at that starting line.
Speaker 1: Well, I think what Dean offers hers consistency throughout a lifetime. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's really no unpredictability there whatsoever. I mean, what
Speaker 1: you see is what you get, and there's something very
Speaker 1: positive about that. But for her, I think she wants
Speaker 1: to get wrecked. Yeah, because I think she understands. Because
Speaker 1: she's so literate, you know that she she needs to
Speaker 1: live an artistic life. And in order to live an
Speaker 1: artistic life and to grow and to learn and to
Speaker 1: add depth to her character and her soul, which craves disaster, right,
Speaker 1: she craves it. But it's kind of what she's used to.
Speaker 1: I think maybe she is deep down it's the only
Speaker 1: way you can grow. It's like, learn the big lessons
Speaker 1: from the big accidents. And the big accidents always feel
Speaker 1: so good right now when they're working out, right, they're very,
Speaker 1: very intoxicating. But I think what we didn't know back
Speaker 1: then was that it's just all temporary and they're just
Speaker 1: life lessons and it's just something you got to get
Speaker 1: through and it's you know, kind of an aberration, but
Speaker 1: you're on a certain path for sure. But the artistical
Speaker 1: life is different. It's different. It's high risk, high reward,
Speaker 1: you know, that kind of thing, but a lot of suffering.
Speaker 1: I think true artists are attracted suffering, you know, the
Speaker 1: real deal. If you're the real deal, you're going to
Speaker 1: suffer a lot. That's going to be really good for
Speaker 1: your art.
Speaker 2: Man, I feel like you're talking to me, right, I
Speaker 2: guess I like that don't know what it is. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh shit, yeah, that's true. That's so true.
Speaker 1: I mean like it all depends on who your literary
Speaker 1: heroes are. Yeah, right, what you know what turned you
Speaker 1: on at seventeen or sixteen? Who did you read? That
Speaker 1: just blew your hair back and you were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was possible, you know. So I
Speaker 1: think that all informs and I think Jess has gone
Speaker 1: through it. Rory's going through it to an extent, right,
Speaker 1: But I think she's drawn to that darkness. Yeah, she
Speaker 1: knows that there's knowledge there, there's there are lessons there
Speaker 1: that she would like to learn.
Speaker 2: So it makes it so compelling to watch.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, no, there's no question there's no question. I love it.
Speaker 1: I am sending you a digital tissue, thank you. But
Speaker 1: it's so good.
Speaker 2: It's so good to like real that about yourself.
Speaker 1: That is. Yeah, I think Dean's frustration is warranted. This guy,
Speaker 1: he's suffering like Luke. He suffers like Luke.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they are so similar, aren't they that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh I never noticed that sitting around suffering. He's watching
Speaker 1: Larele I, you know, go after Rory, go after other guys.
Speaker 1: Are big core by other guys the way Luke has
Speaker 1: had to watch. It's going to continue to watch Laurel. I.
Speaker 2: But those type of men just sit back and watch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I you know, I have a reputation
Speaker 1: of diner. You know I can't. I can't accept Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I can't. I have an excuse. I can
Speaker 1: hide behind my diner, my reputation, all that.
Speaker 2: I was literally going to just say, they give them excuse,
Speaker 2: They give their inner dialogue excuses all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that diner man, that's right down.
Speaker 1: I gotta go better. I gotta I goly man. Someone's
Speaker 1: got to make the donuts. You know. No, I can't
Speaker 1: mess around with you. I can't worry about you and
Speaker 1: Max or you and whoever?
Speaker 2: Did we ever see your kitchen?
Speaker 1: No, no, it didn't exist. There was no kitchen back there,
Speaker 1: bags and bags of items there's there's just there was
Speaker 1: no kitchen. There was a room back there. That's that's
Speaker 1: where Robert Lee, our vaunted extra Robert Lee would hide out.
Speaker 1: Really yeah. He would duck down and for cover and
Speaker 1: then emerge. And that's also the place where Caesar got
Speaker 1: much shorter. Yeah, because he started out kind of tall
Speaker 1: and and then he got you know, he lost about
Speaker 1: six inches or more.
Speaker 2: Oh so funny.
Speaker 1: Well, this is one of the first times we see
Speaker 1: Paris stand up for Rory. Were you surprised?
Speaker 2: Wait? I really think that we need an episode of
Speaker 2: just watching your character cook in the back. I think
Speaker 2: we all, for the whole, for the whole fandom, everybody
Speaker 2: that loves the show. I think they would pay big
Speaker 2: bucks they see you cook the meals that were that
Speaker 2: were presented to the cast.
Speaker 1: You know, I got offered a show. I got offered
Speaker 1: a show, not not where I would be cooking, but
Speaker 1: there would be lots of kitchens.
Speaker 2: Yeah what oh yeah, yeah, and you have PTSD. You're like,
Speaker 2: I need to turn this down, No more kitchens for me.
Speaker 1: Now we're kind of waiting on approval.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yeah, I'm so for it.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean they never saw the kitchens in
Speaker 1: seven years or twenty five years. If this show gets approved,
Speaker 1: there's going to see another butt kitchens. Oh. I love it.
Speaker 2: I love it for people want you to be babe.
Speaker 2: That's it right there.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, you know chain me to the stove man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't mind.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it. So have you evercovered for a friend
Speaker 1: the way Paris did for Rory? I mean that was
Speaker 1: quick thinking. Paris. It was my fault. Just came over
Speaker 1: to see me. I have a crush on him, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah.
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm not that fast. I'm not that fast, Like
Speaker 2: I really, that's something that I struggle with. I'm I
Speaker 2: am so shocked and amazed by how people are so fat.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm terrible with arguments. I'm like, just give me,
Speaker 2: can you give me like ten minutes so I can
Speaker 2: like out of my thoughts and then come back and
Speaker 2: then I'll tell you what's going on. I'm just not
Speaker 2: that good. I thought it was so I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: out of the box. For her, and that was such
Speaker 2: a nice moment to see for.
Speaker 1: Her character doing something for somebody else.
Speaker 2: Somebody else. Andy's face, though, I feel like she was
Speaker 2: like shocked, but like not too shocked. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's it. That was a that was a very shocking moment.
Speaker 2: But I think a really a big stepping stone for
Speaker 2: for those.
Speaker 1: Two, right, huge, yeah, big moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, Dean calms down after he hears this,
Speaker 1: but I think he's still is smelling a rat a
Speaker 1: little bit.
Speaker 2: Don't you hate?
Speaker 1: Not hate?
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a strong word, but those couples that argue
Speaker 2: in front of people, that was literally what was happening.
Speaker 2: I felt so bad for Paris and I was like,
Speaker 2: first of all, Dean, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: Whoa whoa, whoa whoa? He was like, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was really bumed. You know, somebody that's six' four
Speaker 1: needs to just, chill. Chill you, know they can't get
Speaker 1: bigger or, louder and that's, scary you.
Speaker 2: Know. Yeah, Yeah And rory handled herself very very well
Speaker 2: in that situation as much as she. Could BUT i
Speaker 2: really was very upset Being i'm sorry being being, sister
Speaker 2: was very upset watching that, right that is not, Out
Speaker 2: that is not what you.
Speaker 1: Do and then now we go back To emily And.
Speaker 1: Laurela theyre at the, hotel they're packing their. Stuff, emily you,
Speaker 1: know pulled the plug on the whole thing after the
Speaker 1: The chad Incident chad h And laurla, said maybe an
Speaker 1: intense weekend together wasn't the best. Idea she's just starting
Speaker 1: with something smaller like stealing a. Robe, Yeah emily. Agrees
Speaker 1: Is emily being naive when she ask her why Her
Speaker 1: LA i can have the same relationship With lord Lion.
Speaker 1: Ry is that a question That emily would really, ask
Speaker 1: wouldn't she? Know or is that her blind?
Speaker 2: SPOT i think it is her blind, spot poor, THING
Speaker 2: i really. Do LIKE i, said, LIKE i just keep
Speaker 2: on going back, to you, know my relationships THAT i
Speaker 2: have with my. Family it's, like especially it's a generation,
Speaker 2: thing right.
Speaker 1: Too like.
Speaker 2: Sometimes that generation just doesn't see what's right in front
Speaker 2: of them or doesn't see their wrongs, either which makes
Speaker 2: it very very. Difficult you, know this is.
Speaker 1: An interesting topic. Here, yeah WHEN i was growing, up
Speaker 1: parents could trust, schools they could trust other, parents they
Speaker 1: could trust, community they could trust the, cops they could
Speaker 1: trust everybody to take care of the. Kids it really
Speaker 1: was a. Community, yeah you, know it really really was a.
Speaker 1: Village that doesn't happen. Anymore you can't trust anybody to do,
Speaker 1: anything which is WHY i think. THIS i think it's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that it's not talked. ABOUT i
Speaker 1: think that's why one of why this show resonates so
Speaker 1: deeply is because it is reflecting the times so perfectly
Speaker 1: and so honestly that, man you.
Speaker 3: Can't you.
Speaker 1: Can you can live inside of a bubble where everybody
Speaker 1: trusts each other and they could raise your. Kid you
Speaker 1: can trust. That but you go outside that, bubble, no
Speaker 1: which is WHY i think the show is so. Popular
Speaker 1: it continues to be so popular because it is a time.
Speaker 1: Capsule that show is a time. Capsule that stars hollow
Speaker 1: was not an uncommon reality in the sixties and you, know,
Speaker 1: fifties sixties and part of the.
Speaker 2: Seventies that's what even you describing, THAT i, mean even going,
Speaker 2: back there's there's NO i think that Is you're exactly
Speaker 2: right why this show is so. POPULAR i, mean even
Speaker 2: even WHEN i was watching it as a, KID i
Speaker 2: was like fantasizing about living. THERE i was, like how
Speaker 2: great would that be to be in a community that
Speaker 2: loves each other and takes care of one another and
Speaker 2: a family that's like there for one, Another and you
Speaker 2: know that's not really my. Dynamic so it's, yeah you're absolutely.
Speaker 1: Right and they didn't need to be so. Close, yeah
Speaker 1: but they. Were they were and they are because you
Speaker 1: could Trust Ms. Patty you can Trust Kirk, WELL i
Speaker 1: mean to an, extent you can, trust you can trust every.
Speaker 2: Reason my, Dog i'm definitely trusted, to like walk my.
Speaker 1: Dog but you could Trust. Luke you could even Trust. Jess,
Speaker 1: yeah and you, know HE'S i think at the end
Speaker 1: of the, day He's, yeah he's sort of a, rebel risky,
Speaker 1: guy but he's NOT i don't think he's. Dangerous, No,
Speaker 1: right he may be a little responsible here and, there
Speaker 1: but he's not. Dangerous he's not intentionally. Dangerous he's. Not
Speaker 1: he's dealing with some anger, issues but he's he's he's
Speaker 1: he's not. Dangerous, yeah but THAT i think is the
Speaker 1: power Of so, anyway are you surprised That luke was
Speaker 1: not a part of sending over the, food Sending jess
Speaker 1: over the, food or do you Think rory was charmed by?
Speaker 2: That you, know that that did take, me that that
Speaker 2: did surprise. Me it did surprise me that.
Speaker 1: It was just.
Speaker 2: Him but, then now knowing how he, Is i'm, like
Speaker 2: should it have surprised?
Speaker 1: Me, no.
Speaker 2: Like that little kid poking and running. Away but he's
Speaker 2: he's definitely very inserted, in like he inserts. HIMSELF i
Speaker 2: mean you have to admire, that, right you think he's
Speaker 2: a master.
Speaker 1: Manipulator is just being?
Speaker 2: BOLD i don't, KNOW i don't.
Speaker 1: KNOW i think he LOVED i think he loves. HER
Speaker 1: i think he thinks about. HER i think he loves.
Speaker 1: HER i think he wants to be with, her and
Speaker 1: he's playing it.
Speaker 2: Cool but, man but to be that bold too, though
Speaker 2: that's LIKE i don't Think i've ever gone to someone's,
Speaker 2: house made up an excuse and then invited myself. In
Speaker 2: that's amazing to have that, confidence you, know or TO i,
Speaker 2: guess just to be that that entranced with.
Speaker 1: Someone, well it's, literature, right it's like this, deep this
Speaker 1: deep long mm. Hmm it's what you want to read about.
Speaker 1: Exactly it's what you want to watch on the. Show
Speaker 1: is what he's willing to do to get close to.
Speaker 2: Her, yeah that's what you want in. Life m.
Speaker 1: Hmm and who doesn't want to be pursued that?
Speaker 2: Way, yeah that's, right, right that's.
Speaker 1: Right and knows what he's, doing.
Speaker 2: Which is interesting because because because your character might have
Speaker 2: been able to learn a little bit from From. Jess
Speaker 2: they just had a little pow wow at the diner
Speaker 2: while you're cooking some. Food how do we get him
Speaker 2: to fall in love with?
Speaker 1: US i don't know that that's.
Speaker 2: Possible which's possible to.
Speaker 1: Get a woman to fall in love with?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: No, no it's just.
Speaker 5: You, know they either just give up and settle or,
Speaker 5: like all right, us so DON'T i?
Speaker 2: Worse, hey my boxes at least ten are.
Speaker 1: Checked it's like when they look at you like you're
Speaker 1: not going. AWAY i. Knew, okay let's.
Speaker 2: Go how did you and your your wife? MEET i
Speaker 2: Was were you the? Pursuer?
Speaker 1: Oh, YEAH.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: TEACHING i was very busy teaching. Acting m h and.
Speaker 1: UH i was at a complex that at four, theaters
Speaker 1: AND i was teaching downstairs. Theater one night she was
Speaker 1: upstairs in another class AND i was upstairs before my
Speaker 1: class started talking TO i had a couple of assistants
Speaker 1: AND i was talking to them. Upstairs they were we
Speaker 1: were seated and she just walked. By it was just
Speaker 1: that you know, thing, wow locked eyes and like. HELLO
Speaker 1: i didn't say a. Word but, then you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: think the next WEEK i saw her outside during a
Speaker 1: break and, uh you, know don't.
Speaker 2: You know it's in the, ass.
Speaker 1: You know, it that's. MINE i take a, ride probably
Speaker 1: not seal.
Speaker 2: It i'll get a. Sidecar she was about to.
Speaker 1: Light a cigarette AND i popped it out of her
Speaker 1: mouth and flipped it into my. Own no, NOT i, was,
Speaker 1: okay nobody's. Smoking that's just like it was all black and.
Speaker 1: White oh my, GOD i love.
Speaker 2: IT i love.
Speaker 1: It tell me About diaries Of Morticians.
Speaker 2: Daughter you, know it's been in development for a really
Speaker 2: really long. TIME i first was like developing it obviously
Speaker 2: because of my stories and my, bringing and you, KNOW
Speaker 2: i think there's there's it's the story is kind of
Speaker 2: about the dysfunction of, families which is really amazing and
Speaker 2: obviously makes for a good Show Gilmore. Girls but then
Speaker 2: it's also about the community that's around it as, well
Speaker 2: which is kind of what you were, Saying AND i
Speaker 2: just didn't really ever think of that With Gilmore, girls
Speaker 2: but it, is it's like this own bubble that this
Speaker 2: small man. Has AND i really am obsessed, with you know,
Speaker 2: why a coming of age. STORIES i think so much
Speaker 2: importance comes comes from those, stories especially for our. Kids you.
Speaker 2: Know that's not like pushing the envelope like, euphoria.
Speaker 1: You, know and stuff like.
Speaker 2: That but, yeah So i'm hoping to make it A tv.
Speaker 2: Show but While i've been, WAITING i just wrote the.
Speaker 2: Book So i'm about to launch the. Book oh, gosh, yeah,
Speaker 2: right which is pretty much just the first season wrapped
Speaker 2: up in a little bow. Tie BUT i just tossed
Speaker 2: into the universe and to soak someone like reels it.
Speaker 3: In, Right.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about your horror. Experiences you're known for
Speaker 1: your roles in. Horrors is this your favorite genre to act?
Speaker 2: In is it my favorite genre to act? IN i,
Speaker 2: MEAN i guess it's like it's familiar, territory. Right it's
Speaker 2: like it's like you With. Luke it's, like you, know
Speaker 2: it's very. FAMILIAR i know. IT i CAN i can
Speaker 2: do it in my. SLEEP i know, it you, know
Speaker 2: backwards and, forwards SO i can always like jump into.
Speaker 3: It is it my?
Speaker 2: FAVORITE i don't, Know I'M I i feel Like i'm
Speaker 2: discovering new elements of myself right. NOW i just started
Speaker 2: directing the last two, years and even with, THAT i
Speaker 2: am from WHERE i started to WHERE i am right.
Speaker 2: Now it's like vastly. Different and it's because there's these
Speaker 2: growing pains That i'm doing with myself and discovering myself
Speaker 2: as a you, know it's a mid thirty year old.
Speaker 2: Woman i'm just like really enjoying finding my. Voice and
Speaker 2: it's the first time That i've been able to find
Speaker 2: my voice and not hide behind a. Character AND i
Speaker 2: think horror obviously helped me a lot with my. TRAUMA
Speaker 2: i think being able to like let that sort of
Speaker 2: fear and that sort of energy come, out you know
Speaker 2: what horror brings, OUT i think definitely helped me in
Speaker 2: that time in my. Life BUT i, mean it's ALWAYS
Speaker 2: i love it so. Much it's always such a really
Speaker 2: great genre to go back to and be a part.
Speaker 2: Of But i'm discovering other.
Speaker 1: Things it's quite a. Voice thank god you found. It keep,
Speaker 1: talking thanks keep, writing keep. Doing it's a it's a
Speaker 1: gift to all of.
Speaker 3: Us.
Speaker 1: Uh and you're gonna have to come. Back, unfortunately you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to come. BACK i wish because there's so
Speaker 1: much more to unpack here with. You we didn't even
Speaker 1: get to you, know very many of the, questions but
Speaker 1: there's so many more, questions and you're going to answer.
Speaker 1: THEM i will hold your feet to the. FIRE i love.
Speaker 2: It, No i'll definitely come. BACK i have to have
Speaker 2: you on my podcast.
Speaker 1: Too oh, yeah, yeah let me. Know let's let me.
Speaker 1: Know all of us appreciate, you appreciate the time and the.
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Speaker 1: Tailor coompton and, remember best fans on the. Planet where
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