1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,560 Speaker 1: Hi, and hello. Check out the new episode of the 2 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: Dave damage At Football Program. I Taylor, Maurice Jones, Drew 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: and I break down what's going on with Tom Brady, 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: Sam Bradford, Josh Norman, Game of Thrones, the Golden State Warriors, 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: are more, NFL dot Com, Slash Podcasts, and now Move 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. I've made 7 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: it to Chicago. It is absolutely beautiful outside. We've got 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: some clouds, a little bit of wind here in the 9 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Windy City, but it is It is a beautiful week 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: for a draft and if you're a draft fan, this 11 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: is Christmas week. You can't beat it. So excited to 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: be back here on Move the Sticks from location here 13 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: in Chicago. But my partner, Bucky Brooks is still in 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Culver City in a very cozy studio. Bucky, trust me, 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: hurry up and get out here before the weather starts 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: to change. My friend. Yeah, I've been looking at the weather. 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: Looks like it's gonna get a little chili, so I 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: gotta figure out what to pack. I don't have to 19 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: be in suites like you and the rest of the crew, 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: so I'll try and keep it as well. Maybe have 21 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 1: a little bubble coat. Yeah, throw throw a raincoat in there, 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: throw a sweatshirt in there. I think it's gonna get 23 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:07,319 Speaker 1: a little bit colder, a little bit wet as we 24 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: marched through the week. But man, you can't beat it 25 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: today here in Chicago, Buck, we got a big episode here, 26 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: our Draft week episode. Why don't you fill everybody in 27 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: at home on what's coming up on today's episode, DJ, 28 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: We got a lot to talk about. We have Tom 29 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: Brady suspension right off the rip. We'll talk about that. 30 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: We will have a little mock draft, we go through 31 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: the top ten picks. We will also discuss some of 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: the guys that we like in Day one, Day two, 33 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Day three, and some guys that were pegging to have 34 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: successful careers even if the late round or undrafted free agents. 35 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 1: Let's start right there. You mentioned that Tom Brady. This 36 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: big news came down Tom Brady that that suspension has 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: now been upheld, so it looks like he's gonna miss 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: the first four games of the season. I know there's 39 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: plenty of shows out there talking all about Tom Brady 40 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 1: and the legal matter. Look, that's a little bit out 41 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: of my depth, Bucky. I'd like to talk a little 42 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: bit about Jimmy Garoppolo what we could expect to see 43 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: from him potentially the first four weeks of the season. Yeah. 44 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: I think it's a huge opportunity of Jimmy Garoppolo. Even 45 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: though this would appear to kind of heard the Patriots 46 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: coming out the gate. Three of their first four games 47 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: are at home. They have a talented supporting cast. Rob Gronkowski, 48 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: you bring over Martellis Bennett, you still have Julian Ellman, look, 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 1: Danny am Mondola, and then you also bring in Chris Hogan. 50 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: I believe that Jimmy Garoppolo will be fine. The Patriots 51 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: do a great job of kind of building their game 52 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: plans to help their quarterback half success. We saw with 53 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Matt Cassle, We've seen it with some of the other 54 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: players who've had opportunities. I expect Jimmy Garoppolo to be fine. 55 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: Look for the Patriots to at worse end up three 56 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: and one coming out of that stretch. Al Right, here's 57 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: a quick question for it. Jimmy Garoppolo, if he's in 58 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,520 Speaker 1: this draft class right now, this draft coming up on 59 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: Thursday night, Uh not gonna go probably on that Thursday. 60 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: Maybe we're going on that Friday. Where where would he 61 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: stack up with this group of quarterbacks? Buck, You know, 62 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: I'll put him right there in the mix with Connor 63 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: Cook and Paxton Lynch. When you look at his resume 64 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 1: and what he was able to do with Eastern Illinois, 65 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: then how he performed in the All Star Games, you 66 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: can make the case he's not the statue that those 67 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: other guys are, but he certainly has a quick rhythm, 68 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: passing delivery. He gets the ball out of his hands 69 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: on time, did a great job of throwing the ball 70 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: inside the numbers, would touch and anticipation. I think you 71 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: can make the argument that he would be the third 72 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: quarterback to come off the board based on how he plays. Yes, 73 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: he would have to fight against the perception of is 74 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: he's big enough compared to Paxton Lynch, but all the 75 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: things that he did coming out of school, I think 76 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: he's the top of the second round pick. I think 77 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: he probably would go ahead of Packston Lynch in most circumstances. Yeah, 78 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: I put him right there. I actually grade wise have 79 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: him just behind Paxton Lynch. But I think he'd be 80 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: in that conversation to be the third quarterback in this 81 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 1: draft class. So I think the Patriots will be okay, 82 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: get through those four games, they'll get a hungry Tom 83 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: Brady rolling in Week five, I believe against Cleveland when 84 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: he would come back. Bucky, let's jump in though, mock 85 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: draft wise, Buck. I thought, we just basically goes through 86 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: these ten picks and let's kind of give us the buzz. 87 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: You know, you're hearing stuff. I'm hearing stuff what we're hearing, 88 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: and we kind of work our way through it. The 89 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: first one, Jared Gough to the Rams, right, that's a 90 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: done deal. Yeah, I mean I think that should be 91 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: a done deal. I think when they made the move, 92 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: they made it with the intention of grabbing the quarterback, 93 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: and the quarterback to me appears to be Jared Goff. 94 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: When you hear the conversations and you track the t 95 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: leaves and connect the dust, it seems like he's a 96 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: matchmate in heaven for the l A franchise. This is 97 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: a talented pass a guy that has really done it 98 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: for three years thirty seven stars, has over fift past attempts, 99 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: and what I like about him he throws with superb 100 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: timing and anticipation, very accurate with his throws. And we've 101 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: talked about it at nauseam. He kind of reminds me 102 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 1: of Matt Ryan. You have a team that has already 103 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: kind of build to do some of the things that 104 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan was able to do early in his career. 105 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: And it's not a coincidence that Matt Ryan went to 106 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: the playoffs very early because he had the supporting cast 107 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: to allow him to flourish. From the pocket that leaves 108 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: us pick number two, Carson Wentzteon would go to Philadelphia 109 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: and Bucky. First of all, before we get to Carson 110 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: Wentz your thoughts on the Sam Bradford News, he wants 111 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: out of there. You know, I'm disappointed Sam Bradford because 112 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 1: I think we always always want guys that are competitors, 113 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that he is asking out before even 114 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: seeing what they do at number two, who they bring 115 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: in and what is the plan. Is disappointed because the 116 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: guy who should be the leader should be the ultimate competitor, 117 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: the guy that doesn't worry about the odds and the circumstances. 118 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: He kind of gears up and gets it done. And 119 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: when you look at the guys who've had similar situations 120 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 1: but have been able to thrive, Look, Drew Brees comes 121 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: to mind. Some of the other quarterbacks that have been 122 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: able to do it. Bread Forth comes to mind. When 123 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: you are the number one guy, you don't worry about 124 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: who they bring in behind you. You continue to do 125 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: your job. And if this team, the Philadelphia Eagles, don't 126 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: like you, there's another team, another one of the thirty 127 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: two will like you, and they will welcome the opportunity 128 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: to have you as a franchise quarterback. But to ask 129 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: for a trade, to me shows a serious sign of 130 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: lack of mental toughness and weakness. Changes my perception of 131 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: Sam Bradford. Yeah, I don't like it at all. I 132 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: think you just show up, you put that work in. 133 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's guaranteed anything in life, but it looks 134 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: like everything is set up for him to be the 135 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: starting quarterback, at least for two thousand sixteen, if not 136 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen. So show up to work, win over 137 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: this locker room, show them that you're the guy, and 138 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: you know you're upset they made a trade. I get it, 139 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: but I don't know what other opportunity he's gonna be 140 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: able to force his way into. I don't think the 141 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: Eagles are gonna be swayed or moved by this. He's 142 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: gonna be on this football team, and now it's just 143 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: create an uncomfortable environment. So I I don't like it 144 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: at all. I do like Carson Wentz though, and the 145 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: way he fits into this offense. With Doug Peterson. I've 146 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: talked about it before. We've talked about it a bunch. Yeah, 147 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: I didn't envision having to give up quite so much 148 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: to go out for either one of these quarterbacks. But 149 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: when you look at the Eagles situation Howie Roseman, Doug Peterson, 150 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: that Clark has already started. They have to be up 151 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: and running and winning by year three. So if they 152 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: wait to acquire that quarterback next year or maybe the 153 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: year after, there's no guarantee you're gonna get him up 154 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: to speed and ready to go in time for you 155 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: to save your job. So if you're gonna make a 156 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,840 Speaker 1: bold move, this was the year to do it. And hey, 157 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: nothing ventured, nothing gained here. They took a big swing 158 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: at it, you know, d you. I think it even 159 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: goes beyond what their current situation is. I believe they 160 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: know that they're in the quarterback market. If you look 161 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: at some of the aging quarterbacks that could depart in 162 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: the next year to Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, 163 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 1: Tony Romo. That puts four or five teams in the 164 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: conversation for quarterbacks in eighteen. When you look at the 165 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: collegiate game and we can't really discuss freely underclassmen, they're 166 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: not a lot of studs that we can point to 167 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: you to say that this guy is going to be 168 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: the saving He's going to be a franchise quarterback at 169 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: the next level. The Philadelphia Eagles were enranged to go 170 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: and have an opportunity to get one of their guys. 171 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: I believe it's a discussion that Howie Roseman and Doug 172 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: Peterson had when they moved up. This is the year 173 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: for us to go get it, because if we don't 174 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: do it and we fall back next year, we may 175 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: not have an opportunity to get a comfortable player. Tell 176 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: you what, Bucky, if you ever, if you're in a 177 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: situation we have to wear a hairpiece, which I don't 178 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: think you'll be in that. I'm not there yet. Chicago 179 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: is not the city for you, man, because if I 180 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: was rocking, if I was rocking some some fake let us. 181 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: I think when a aloan so far off my scalpel 182 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: right now, little Wendy out here. But let's keep let's 183 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: keep rolling. Let's move on pick number three. This is 184 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: where it gets interesting. San Diego and our mock draft 185 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: we did the other day where we had our talent 186 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: mock draft. We had eight of you guys as gms. 187 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: You were picking for the charges. You end up going 188 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: with the Forest Buckner, which I thought was interesting. And 189 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: here we are twenty four hours later. I've talked to 190 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: several people that seem to indicate you're onto something there, 191 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: that it's not gonna be Jalen Ramsey, It's not gonna 192 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,559 Speaker 1: be Larmie Tunsil, and in fact, will beat the Forest 193 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: Buckner with a third pick. Are you hearing same types 194 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: of things? I am hearing the same kinds of things. 195 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: And then a lot of it comes down to looking 196 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: at the board and trying to anticipate what could they 197 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: do in the second round. If you take a Jalen 198 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: Ramsey with number three, when you go back and look 199 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: at the edge players or the interior pass rushers that 200 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: are available, not necessarily in the same class, I could 201 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: potentially walk away with the DeForest Buckner and Karl Joseph 202 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: and DeForest Buckner and a Von Bill. I like that 203 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: pairing better than some of the other ones. If I 204 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: took Jalen Ramsey first, to me, he's a perfect five 205 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: technique and at three or four defense gives them that 206 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: inside pass fresh presence. You put him along side in 207 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: Melvin ingram you get one on ones on those side. 208 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: I just think it makes too much sense for them 209 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: to bypass too far as Buckner in the direction of 210 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: going with an offensive tackle or Jalen Ramsey at that point, 211 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: all right, that gets us a number four. If the 212 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: Forrest Buckner goes at three, then everything I'm hearing all 213 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,319 Speaker 1: all signs kind of pointing towards Jalen Ramsey actually being 214 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: the pick for the Dallas Cowboys, not Ezekiel Elliott, not 215 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: at Joey Bosa, even though they have a need for 216 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: an edge rusher, especially that DeMarcus Lawrence four game suspension. 217 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: But but I keep hearing now as we come down 218 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: the stretch, in fact, Jalen Ramsey would be that pick. 219 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think the big thing for the Cowboys 220 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: they got to make sure that they get a franchise 221 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: player at the top four pick. Um. We can talk 222 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: about Joey bos We can talk about some of the 223 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: other guys, but one thing that we all believe is 224 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is one of the more talented players in 225 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: the draft. You love how he's wired from a competitive 226 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: standpoint and world class athlete, blue chip talent. He gives 227 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: you flexibility in the back end when you bring him 228 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: put him on the field with Barron Jones and Orlando Scandrick, 229 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: you now have a secondary that can compete with some 230 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: of the rivals. You have to win your division before 231 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: you can think outside. I believe he gives them an 232 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to win a division with his versatile skills. I 233 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: agree with you. That gets us to number five. Now, 234 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. I've been just putting Miles Jack there, 235 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: but man it, I don't know if it's it's smoke 236 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: or what's going on here, but there is so much 237 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: buzz now about this medical being a major concern. I'm 238 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: hearing it all over the place. I don't know if 239 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: team is trying to spread this. To me, it sounds 240 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: it's like it's coming from a legitimate place. So if 241 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: Miles Jack is not to pick there for the Jags, 242 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: which was kind of all assumed that would would be. 243 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: I think they try and get out of there. I 244 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: think they want to get out of there. Maybe somebody 245 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: will come up for a Laramie Tunsil if they did 246 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: get stuck. I think you're looking at maybe a Joey 247 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: Bosa potentially even a really early call there for a 248 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd. Yeah, I agree with you. I think they 249 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: need to try and get out of there because that 250 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: is a sweet spot potentially if Larry tells a little 251 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: is available, because you want to get ahead of the 252 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens. As I look at the Jaguars roster though, 253 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a bad deal to get Joey Bosa 254 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: to pair opposite um Dante Fowler. Give them two for one, 255 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: two young pass rushers to build around Malik Jackson coming 256 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 1: in Jared Adrey. Continue to be there, build the front 257 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: line where you can attack in waves and rotations. If 258 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: they do that, they have a chance to get back 259 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: off the matt in the FC South. That's direction I 260 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 1: would head if I'm the jacksonman. Jaguars, tell you what 261 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: you know. As we as I was on the flight 262 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: on the way out here, I was just kind of 263 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: going through some notes and looking up some stuff, and 264 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 1: and one of the points on Joey both so I 265 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: think is taking a kind of a beating throughout this 266 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,199 Speaker 1: draft process. Everybody knows him and he's kind of one 267 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: of those guys people say he's overrated and the numbers 268 00:11:48,400 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: went down. But I don't know if anybody ever brought 269 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: up this point. Do you realize everybody talks about his 270 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: numbers decreasing. First of all, he had more pressures this 271 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: year than he did previously. And then the other thing 272 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: I would mention is the guy played three fewer games. 273 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 1: He was suspended for a game, and then the year 274 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: before they go on that playoff run in the college 275 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: football Playoff, they played fifteen games, So you've got three 276 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: fewer opportunities to to get that production. So I don't 277 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: know that's even been thrown out there with this guy. 278 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a good observation on your part, because 279 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: a lot has been made about the numbers, a lot 280 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: has been made about the lack of production, or to 281 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,800 Speaker 1: perceived lacks of production without noise Spence, but as you 282 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: point to, he played three fewer games pure opportunities to 283 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. And even though you would like 284 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: him to be a little more explosive and dynamic in 285 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: his movement skills. I think he's planning dynamic enough to 286 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: be able to be a consistent pass rusher. He has 287 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: to work on some things, but I like his game. 288 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: I think six is a nice spot for him. And 289 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: by the way, I have to go back and double 290 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: check this, but I don't even think Noah Spence played 291 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: that year. The year before, wasn't he out for the 292 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: entire year? Then he showed up at Eastern Kentucky, So 293 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: I know that's been kind of the narrative out we 294 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: had Noah Spence. On the other side, I don't even 295 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: think Noah Spence played in two thousand and fourteen, But 296 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: I might need it. Maybe I'm just losing my mind. 297 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: Maybe need to double check that one, but maybe we 298 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: can get maybe research by the end of this pot cast, 299 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: they can double double check that one. But that's that's 300 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: my recollection. Let's move on here now, buck ahead. You 301 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like all the drafts are kind 302 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: of running together. When you think about Joey Bosa and 303 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: North Spence day combination, you do wonder if you would 304 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: benefit from a dominant player. I believe he's still a 305 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: top ten talent. I just think you need to know 306 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: exactly what he is. He's a tremendously talented and technical player. 307 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: If you get him in the right system, he can 308 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: be very productive. All right, Number six, then I mean 309 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: if Larmie tuns is still on the board, I would 310 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: think Baltimore goes there. If not Larmie tuns So, I 311 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: think Joey Bosa would be a great fallback for the Ravens. 312 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: I don't think they can go wrong because Larmie Tunson 313 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: gets past three. I think Baltimore is in play. They 314 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: can have their druthers, they can get a premier left tackle, 315 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: they really solidify the franchise for another decade. Or they 316 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: can get Joey Bosa and really add to the pass rush. 317 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: You have Terrell Sucks and Elvis Dooomerville two pass rushers 318 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: over thirty years old. You need more young bodies, young 319 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: fresh legs to get after those quarterbacks. Alright, Number seven, 320 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: San Francisco forty Niners. Ronnie Stanley has been a name 321 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: that I've heard, I've heard. You know, look, this team 322 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: has taken shots on injured players before. Maybe if Miles 323 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 1: Jack maybe they're okay with his medical situation, they would 324 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 1: take a shot on him there. It just seems odd 325 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: because you've had Patrick Willis who battle some injuries before 326 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 1: he retired. You looking at Varrol Bowman whose battle injuries, 327 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: and Chris Borland, you know, ended up leaving early and 328 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: retiring from football. To take an injured player or someone 329 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: that has some risk involved in the linebacker position, that 330 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: that would surprise me. Yeah, it was surprised me too. Ultimately, 331 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: we can talk about injuries and whether they affect draft status, 332 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: but they ultimately do because you want to make sure 333 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: that the guys that you get show up on opening day. 334 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: And so in some situations when you're dealing with shoulders 335 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: and things, you can make exceptions. You can talk about 336 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: those guys. But now we have a situation where we 337 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: want to get better. If I'm Chip Kelly, I'm looking 338 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: the best way to improve my team is to work 339 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: on my offensive line. Let's establish our sales as a 340 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: dominant offense, control the clock, limit the defensive exposure. That 341 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: is the way that they can really make a move 342 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: in the NFC. West Cleveland picking at number eight Ronnie 343 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: Stanley would be in play. We haven't even Well, we'll 344 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: see what happens with Ezekiel Elliott. I know that's not 345 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: a huge need for this football team. They have so 346 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: many other weaknesses. But Ronnie Stanley would make some sense 347 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: both if he were to fall there would make some sense. 348 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: Miles Jack, who we've talked about again comes down to 349 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: the medical. What about Ezekiel Elliott, we haven't talked a 350 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: lot about that. There, they've got curl Well, they've got 351 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: Duke Johnson with that surprise you. I would be a 352 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: little bit surprised, maybe just because of the fallout from 353 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: the trend Wretchard Richardson deal. However, I don't think there's 354 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: any denying his special qualities that he brings to the 355 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: table as an inside and outside runner, runs the ball, violently, 356 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: breaks tackle, shares contact, has a way to get to 357 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: the pay hurt. What I like about him the most 358 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: is his ability to catch the ball out the backfield. 359 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: Hasn't really shown any games, but he has some of 360 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: the best hands that we're gonna find as he begins 361 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: to work out for those teams, he's going to really 362 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: really impress people that Cleveland Brows should be excited about him. 363 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: If he's there because he certainly gives down a building block, 364 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: a place to start when it comes to rebuilding that offense. 365 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: I could also look to trade out again. Who knows, 366 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: maybe Paxton Lynch could come into play for the Browns. 367 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: We'll get to pick number nine Tampa. I've been kind 368 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 1: of you know on this Vernon Hargraves train there to 369 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: the Buccaneers. I think Leonard Floyd and Ed Dresser could 370 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: also be in play there. Even Kevin Dodd. Maybe that's 371 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: a little bit early for him, but somebody can get 372 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: after the quarterback or corner. They've invested so much in offense, 373 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: you gotta believe this is a defensive pick. It has 374 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: to be a defensive pig. They gotta get back and 375 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: make up some of the ground on defense. I'm thinking 376 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: Vernon Hardgraves as a lockdown corner would be a nice fit. 377 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: But any of those past words would be an inside 378 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: or outside could help them get home or be more active, 379 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: more disruptive and create problems for the NFC sell proponents 380 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: I like to pick. I would be more apt to 381 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: go with burning hard Graves because I want a young 382 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: corner that I can I can room for the number 383 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: one row all right, we get to pick number ten 384 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: the Giants. I just look at this is one I 385 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: didn't have a ton of intel on. I've heard Leonard 386 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: Floyd a bunch so shade with him. That's kind of 387 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: the buzz that I'm hearing. But you're in a situation 388 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: where maybe Ezekiel Elliott is still They're still on the board. 389 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: I don't know if Miami would come up, maybe you 390 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: trade back a little bit, or if the Giants just 391 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: sit here and say, look, I know we've got Shane Vereen. 392 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 1: I know we've got a lot of options here at 393 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: the running back position. But is this still a situation 394 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 1: we could say this guy is just too good. I 395 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: can't pass them up. Maybe it is Ezekiel Elliott there 396 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: at ten. Well, I think it's tough because I think 397 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: there are a couple of different ways you can go 398 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: with this pick. At ten, you're Jerry Reich. You're trying 399 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: to figure out who is going to give me tremendous 400 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: value right away. Ezekiel Ellett is a Pro Bowl caliber player, 401 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: a guy that you can just see really take the 402 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: ball and kind of dominate and be a guy that's 403 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: touch guy. Or you can think about let's play defense. 404 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: Let's put some more speed on the field. They haven't 405 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: taken a first round lineback, and since Carl Banks came 406 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: off the board at eighty four, you can go get 407 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: a guy like a I don't know, Leonard Flud, Miles Jack, 408 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: someone that can be a difference making from sideline to sideline. 409 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: I really like the direction that they had because they 410 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: really have flexibility. This will say a lot about their 411 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,719 Speaker 1: rebuilding process based on who they pick at number ten. 412 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: The Rashan Jennings was the name that was eluding me there. 413 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: You also have Andre Williams, so a little bit of 414 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: a crowded backfield, but nobody is gifted is Ezekiel Elliott. 415 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: So you just see what the what the giants end 416 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: up doing there. That's kind of our top ten buzz 417 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: what we're hearing, Buck. But now I think we're gonna 418 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: move on. Now what we're doing headlines here? What's gonna 419 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: be the big headline after round number one? I think 420 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: I think you're up first here, Palm. You know, uh, 421 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: the main thing for me when it comes to round 422 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: number one is trying to find the right players and 423 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: where they can go off the board. So the headline 424 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: for me is Corey Coleman will go off the board 425 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: before the Quan tread Will. And I know this is 426 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: a surprise to some because we talked about Corey Coleman 427 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: only being a guy that runs four routes, the slant 428 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: to hitch the post and to go with his speed, 429 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: his explosiveness, his ability to put the ball into paint 430 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: will attract teams looking for difference makers and a class 431 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: where you don't have a lot of burners or a 432 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: lot of big play specialists, he is the premier one. 433 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: I believe because of that, his value is in hand. 434 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: He goes before Lawine tread Will, I wouldn't shock me. Look, 435 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: I think he's the best receiver in the draft. I 436 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: would look forward to UH to find out where he's 437 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: gonna end up and how he's gonna be used, because 438 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: I think the guy is just a big play waiting 439 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: to happen. And I look at a team, maybe even 440 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 1: a team like Cincinnati. You put him opposite A J. Green, 441 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: He's gonna see nothing but single coverage. He could go 442 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: off in that type of a situation. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, 443 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: it's one of those things where you're always looking for 444 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: someone who can find a way to create big plays, 445 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: big opportunities if you have him on the outside. I 446 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: certainly believe that he can do something that they haven't 447 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: had before in the league, and that's those vertical stretch players. 448 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: So when you're the bottom of the first round and 449 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: you're looking to separate those guys from others, having a 450 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: guy like him can certainly make the difference. Alright, my headline, 451 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: you're ready for it. I'm gonna go Brown's bag Bosa 452 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: And I was working on maybe even trying to extend 453 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: that out to try and go with this whole theme. 454 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: I was gonna go Brown's bag Bosa and a bevy 455 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: of ball and then I was like, yeah, it's too 456 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: many do it, but too too many people. But they're 457 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: gonna be in a situation to in a situation where 458 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: they get both player. I think they probably would have 459 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: targeted and considered it number two. They dropped back to eight, 460 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 1: they still get him, and then I think you look 461 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: for them to trade even more in this draft. I 462 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: think you're gonna see them This is just my opinion, 463 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: but trying to find value in all this currency they have, 464 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: I think you could see them trade some of these 465 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: picks they have for next year picks. In other words, 466 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: you could take a two from this year and spend 467 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: it off into a one. Next year, you can take 468 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,959 Speaker 1: a three, turn it into a two or what have you, 469 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: and be kind of set up to not only do 470 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: some damage in this draft, but be really ready in 471 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: next year's draft, which I think there's gonna be some 472 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: premier players and uh to be able to move around 473 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: the board really get some top notch players, you know. 474 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 1: I think the thing about Joey Bose and going to 475 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: Cleveland is they certainly need someone that can be a 476 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: productive player, someone that certainly has a hometown field. We've 477 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: seen the production in the impact that he had at 478 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: Ohio State. You put him there, at least the fans 479 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: are familiar with him, they can buy into that. I 480 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,640 Speaker 1: think for the Cleveland Browns, it's important that they don't 481 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: need to hit home runs, but they need to hit 482 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: a lot of singles and doubles because you have a 483 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 1: lot of holes on your roster, a lot of guys 484 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: that you have to get on your roster to really 485 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: help you compete in the a f C North. They 486 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: need to make sure did they get guys with high 487 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: floors and not so much worry about high ceilings. You 488 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: want to make sure that you don't miss when you've 489 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: been a franchise that has mishandled and mismanaged so many 490 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 1: picks in the past. All Right, Bucky, I'll tell you 491 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: what this wind out here. Uh if if Mark Grace 492 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: were just pop the ball up in the air and 493 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: I might look like it's gone, It's it's gone. It's 494 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: long gone. Uh. Some players to watch on Day two, 495 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: So we're kind of anticipating who's gonna go in the 496 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: first round and who will be the big storylines. Two 497 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: players to monitor in the second day, and I'll say 498 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: Christian Hackenburg. Guy that's been an enigma for me in 499 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: this draft class. You know what is he? Is it 500 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: the guy we saw as a freshman and showed all 501 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 1: that promise, or as a guy with a new coaching staff, 502 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 1: and you can so look at a lot of different 503 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: issues here. Guy who just wasn't accurate, got hit an 504 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: awful lot to have a good offensive line in front 505 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: of him. But Bucky, this is a player I don't 506 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: know exactly what to make a Christian Hackenburg. I hear 507 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: you know stories about this. There's teams that like him, 508 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 1: but the teams that I talked to. I don't get 509 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: that vibe, so I'm sure they're out there, but I 510 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: think that's gonna be a big storyline to follow Day two. Yeah, 511 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: I think there's there's a lot of stuff that you 512 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: kind of have to figure out on with Christian Hackenburgh 513 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: because we can talk about the talent, we can talk 514 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: about the size and those things, but ultimately he has 515 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: to be able to deliver the ball within the strikes 516 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: on and he didn't do that a lot the last 517 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 1: two years of Penn State, And even when you go 518 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: back and look at this freshman year, there were some 519 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: nice flashes, but we were grading on the curve because 520 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: he was a freshman. We were saying that he would 521 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: continue to develop and he would be the number one pick, 522 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: possibly at the position because he continued to develop. We 523 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: didn't see that development. We saw him struggle in a 524 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: new offense under a new coach, and it just makes 525 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: me wonder, can this guy fit in all situations? Can 526 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: you really work with him? Can you get the potential 527 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: out of him that you see with the natural talent? 528 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I certainly think he's worth keeping 529 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: an eye on. All right, Bucky giving me one here, 530 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: who do you? I'm gonna go with Noah Spence. North 531 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 1: Spence from Eastern Kentucky because when we saw I made 532 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, I mean he was unblockable, coming off 533 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: to as first step quickness, being able to use his 534 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 1: hands consistently, get around the edges, and dominated to one 535 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: on one in team drills. However, since the end of 536 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, he really hasn't dabs, hasn't impressed at 537 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: the combine. You hear murmurs about he wasn't really good 538 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: with the interviews. You're trying to buy into the fact 539 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,679 Speaker 1: that he has done away with some of the character 540 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: issues that kept kept him from playing it Ohio State. 541 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: So if I am a team, I'm wondering about Newes 542 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: Spence because he is definitely talented. He's one of the 543 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: few natural pass rushes in the draft. But the character concerns, 544 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: where's the right value to take a Newes Spence. That's 545 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: why he's someone I'm keeping my eye on. On the 546 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: day two. All right, let's do a bonus round here fast, Bucky. 547 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Derrick Henry is another name to watch. 548 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: I don't think he'll go in the first round. I 549 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: think second third round. It will be fastenating. It'll be 550 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: a big storyline to watch where he ends up, it 551 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: will be a big storyline, big, fast and physical. I 552 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: want to see where he goes. He goes to the 553 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 1: right out offense, he could be a Pro Bowl player, 554 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: but if he doesn't, he can struggle. So I'm looking 555 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: forward to see Derrick Henry play at the next level, 556 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: to see what he can bring. And also the reputation 557 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 1: of Alabama running backs. We talked about some of the 558 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: guys that have underperformed. Can he be a guy that 559 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: kind of changes the tide? All right? Who you got, Bucky? 560 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: Jaylen Smith? Jali Smith from Notre Dame. I'm curious because 561 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: we loved him as a player, thought he was one 562 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: of the best players in the draft. The knee injury 563 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 1: was unfortunate at the Fiesta Bowl. Which team decides to 564 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: poar to trigger and at what point in the draft 565 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: do you do it? Do you do it on day 566 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: two or do you wait till round four before you 567 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: pick Jalen Smith? All right, Bucky, that's that's day two. 568 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: Let's move on now to day three and uh player 569 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: you're looking forward to seeing where he lands. An intriguing 570 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: player on Day three of the draft, Tavon Young from Temple. 571 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: He is the most uh fluid movement guy that I 572 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 1: can see as a potential nickelback at the next level. 573 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Love the way he plays off, Love his eyes and 574 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: his footwork. I think he has a knack for playing 575 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: a position. In the right system. He could be a 576 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: dynamic number three corner. I'm looking forward to see him 577 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: come off the board, maybe in Day three. I think 578 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: he's gonna outplay his draft status. Buck. I think here's 579 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: a chance we might hear him on Day two when 580 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: when it's all said done, late in the process. Starting 581 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,639 Speaker 1: to hear that buzz build. You've been talking about him forever. 582 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: He's been a fan of You've been a big fan 583 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: of his. But I'm starting to hear some of that 584 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: chatter as well. A really, really good football player. We 585 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: enjoyed watching him down there at the Senior Bowl. But Bucky, 586 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: I gotta stay true, man. I know you, You're loyal 587 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 1: even though you're Carolina failiar. I know you. You know 588 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:37,640 Speaker 1: you get conflicted a little bit unless it's basketball season 589 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: as a Carolina guy, But I stick with apps State 590 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: through thick and thin, it doesn't matter. We're a big 591 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: one a program. Now I'm gonna Ronald Blair defensive end 592 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: from app State, very productive, very physical, and people say, Okay, 593 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 1: we played in the Sun Belt, but go watch him 594 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: against Clemson. Has two sacks against Clemson when they matched 595 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: up earlier this season. He's a power rusher. I think 596 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: he's probably a four three left end. He maybe even 597 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 1: to grow into a three four end because he's so 598 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: strong at the point of attack. But a really really 599 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: good football player and has an app State guy. I'm 600 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: looking forward to seeing where he lands. And he's fast 601 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: and physical, very productive, has stack production. Those kind of 602 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: trays translate to success in the National Football League. Alright, Bucky, 603 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: last topic here, late round or undrafted player we think 604 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 1: could have a nice future. And I'm gonna go William 605 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,239 Speaker 1: and Mary old Bill and Mary. You know that neck 606 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: of the woods down there. DeAndre Houston Carson a safety 607 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,679 Speaker 1: that I think it's gonna have a chance to get 608 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: drafted on Day three. Maybe late, uh, maybe a little 609 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: bit down the line, but I think this guy is 610 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: gonna be a great special teams player. I think he's 611 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: gonna be a third safety and he's gonna play for 612 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: a long time. I think he does have an opportunity 613 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: to played for a long time. What I like about 614 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: him he has cornerback in his background. So when you're 615 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: looking for those guys, those free safeties, those strong safeties, 616 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: guys that can drop down in base situations, covered to 617 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: tight end, I believe that Houston Carson certainly can do that. 618 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,320 Speaker 1: Huge value pick a guy that can also play on 619 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: special teams. I like that pick. All right, give me 620 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: a late one here, Buck, late round. I'm willing to 621 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: bank on his intangibles and attributes. How about Scooby right 622 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:10,679 Speaker 1: from Arizona? Just Scooby Dooby doo to productive for me 623 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: to completely throw away. I believe if he's a late 624 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: round pick or undrafted player, I think he finds a 625 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: home in the National Football League, finds a way to 626 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: get around the ball. I believe despite his physical deficiencies 627 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: in terms of athleticism and speed, I think at worst 628 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: he's gonna be a balls to the wall special tamer. 629 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:29,840 Speaker 1: I believe this guy is gonna play for a long 630 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: time in the league. Yeah, I think he's gonna end 631 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: up being a starter when it's all said done and 632 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 1: We've talked about the poor workouts, didn't run well and 633 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. The athleticism, the guy is 634 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 1: always around the football, so that that does count. That 635 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: does matter. I think he's somebody you'll see maybe in 636 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: a part time limited basis early on in his career. 637 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: I think he's just one of those guys gonna fight 638 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: his way onto the field and end up being an 639 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 1: effective starter. Could not be in a big value pick 640 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: in the draft. I absolutely agree with you. I think both. 641 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,640 Speaker 1: I think both of those guys gonna have an opportunity 642 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: to play for a long time. Special teams are gonna 643 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: be their calling card. Though, well, Bucky, that's gonna do 644 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 1: it for us. Here. I did not get blown off 645 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: the ledge here, which was positive. Uh. We got a 646 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: lot of good draft stuff discussed here. You're coming out here, 647 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,200 Speaker 1: look forward to seeing you. I'm gonna buy your dinner, 648 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: I owe you one and uh, and we're gonna march 649 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 1: towards this draft. It's fine, it's finally here. I can't 650 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: believe the draft is over. We get to do draft grades. 651 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: It should be fun. Oh, I love draft grades. I 652 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: didn't mention, by the way, I will be expensing that 653 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: dinner I paid for. But now I'm gonna take you. 654 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take you out to dinner. Hey. Look, I 655 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 1: appreciate everybody that's followed us on Move the Sticks on 656 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: our podcast as we've marched towards the draft. It's been 657 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: a fun journey. Thank you for staying with us. Thanks 658 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 1: for checking out our three sixty series. By the way, 659 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: if you haven't checking check that out. Go to YouTube 660 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: or go to NFL dot com Slash Move the six 661 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: three sixty. We have a lot of great interviews with 662 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: the top players in this draft class. It's been fun, 663 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: it's it's been interesting, a lot of interesting stories in 664 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: this draft. You can't wait to find out where they 665 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: end up. And you can watch all of our coverage 666 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: here on NFL Network Thursday through Saturday.