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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, DJ, Bock back with you as we

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Speaker 1: start a new week, Buck, we get a chance to

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Speaker 1: look back at the first week of the preseason. Man,

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Speaker 2: Again, how you doing, I'm good, DJ, Like you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it started for us on Thursday night.

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Speaker 2: And look, the great thing about the preseason for me

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Speaker 3: But really it's the rookies.

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Speaker 2: It's the guy that we tracked the entire process, right,

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Speaker 2: even though it's the preseason, it does kind of whit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I love you know, this morning, I got up and

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Speaker 3: So I just want to watch all those top quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: I want to see, you know, some of these other

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Speaker 3: How did they look?

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Speaker 1: By the way Blake Watson, how he went undrafted, the

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Speaker 3: That's that's another conversation for another day. But it was

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Speaker 1: Let's just dig through what we saw with these rookie quarterbacks,

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Speaker 3: Let's start first of all.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams as much, you know, as much hypeen, as

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Speaker 3: It sounds weird to say it. In a preseason game.

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Speaker 1: I thought he had a lot of pressure on him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he absolutely did. And I would say not only that,

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Speaker 2: I think it's not only a lot of pressure on him.

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Speaker 2: And you can see really early, even though the backups

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Speaker 3: It's explosive.

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Speaker 2: And I know it's a preseason game, but sometimes, man,

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Speaker 2: He is as advertising. This offense might be as good,

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Speaker 2: It just gives them so much that they can do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I look, everybody's going to show the boot and

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Speaker 2: That is what makes them special, and that's what you

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Speaker 2: But if he ever had enough discipline impatience to play

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Speaker 3: Very early in his career, we didn't get a lot

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Speaker 1: A quick drive, got down there and put the ball

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Speaker 2: Well, I thought it was interesting that dan Quinn compared

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Speaker 3: That's a lot to ask of a young quarterback.

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Speaker 2: And it's a recipe not for disaster, but it's a

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Michael Pennix Junior nine to sixteen hundred

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Speaker 2: Well, look, I thought the guy that showed up for

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Speaker 3: That's part of the job.

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Speaker 2: When you're running the relay, rich you got a hand

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Speaker 2: a good problem to have with you at Alanta Falcons.

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Speaker 2: You invested a lot in the position, but it appears

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Speaker 1: If you're a Falcon fan who hadn't been to a

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Speaker 3: Man. I don't know, it's something about being lefties.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's you know the baseball stuff that I love,

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Speaker 3: Man. It's just it's fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: It is fun to watch, and it's it's great to

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Speaker 1: Let's take a quick pause here we come back JJ McCarthy,

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Speaker 3: H you are listening to move the six that we

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Speaker 1: Back, all right, buck, JJ McCarthy again, a lot of run.

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Speaker 1: You see the numbers here, eleven or seventeen for a

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Speaker 2: Hey man, Jim Harbough might have been onto something when

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Speaker 2: Maybe he knew that the offense that they ran up

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Speaker 3: But this dude is really solid, man.

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Speaker 2: And I know we deemed him and Drake made for

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Speaker 3: He looks the part. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: To have success whenever he gets his opportunity to beat

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Speaker 1: It's also one of the biggest takeaways from me because

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Speaker 1: There is a toughness there that will not only serve

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Speaker 2: Underrated part of the position toughness, mental and physical. Can

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Speaker 2: The fact that JJ McCarthy stood in there was in

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Speaker 3: He didn't blink, he didn't fall apart. You gotta love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just some guys just watching him like okay,

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Speaker 1: The one thing that I love about him and I

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Speaker 3: He's no taking I'm gonna take to take a shot. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Some of those things are going to go down, but

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Speaker 2: It's just a matter of can he make good decisions

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Speaker 1: Minnesota with Kevin o'connoch scited to watch those guys. All right,

441
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Speaker 1: One more rookie quarterback here bo Necks with the Denver Broncos.

442
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Speaker 1: Fifteen of twenty one, one hundred and twenty five yards,

443
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Speaker 1: a touchdown, three carries for seventeen yards. Again, a lot

444
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Speaker 1: of work there for Bownicks. What you see, Yeah, a

445
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Speaker 1: lot of work for bo Nicks and DJ.

446
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Speaker 2: This seems like it's a quarterback competition that's tilting in

447
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 2: bo Nix's faith inside job. But it feels like Chompayn

448
00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,720
Speaker 2: wants to get Botnicks every opportunity to win the job.

449
00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:02,720
Speaker 3: May have.

450
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Speaker 2: You know, and I've done this in classes sometimes you

451
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Speaker 2: kind of maybe slide some dances over to make sure

452
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,359
Speaker 2: it's an open book test, to make sure all you

453
00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,560
Speaker 2: guys have a high grade.

454
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Speaker 3: He's doing that for bo Nicks.

455
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,720
Speaker 2: Bo Nix looked like he's very comfortable doing what Sean

456
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Speaker 2: Payton wanted him to do. We saw him lead the

457
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Speaker 2: team to four scoring drives, two field goals, two touchdowns. Uh. Look,

458
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Speaker 2: he played like he played at Oregon. He was efficient,

459
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 2: he utilized his athleticism. He was tremendous in terms of

460
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:30,919
Speaker 2: being a dincon duct passer and pushing it when he

461
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Speaker 2: had opportunities.

462
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Speaker 3: But this is vintage bo Nix to me.

463
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Speaker 2: This is the version of Bownicks that Sean Payton wants

464
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Speaker 2: and that we will continue to see in Denver as

465
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Speaker 2: they build this thing out around him.

466
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Speaker 1: Solid debut performance for the kid. Yeah, No, I thought

467
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Speaker 1: showed good comfort there. You know, it was interesting. There's

468
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Speaker 1: a there's one play they hit kind of little pick route,

469
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Speaker 1: little wheel route. He's going to be able to deliver

470
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Speaker 1: on all those game plan plays that Sean Payton's going

471
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Speaker 1: to dial up on a weekly basis where they're going

472
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Speaker 1: to set things up and they're going to be able

473
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Speaker 1: to attack. And I think he's going to allow This

474
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Speaker 1: isn't a knock on bow, but I think he's going

475
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Speaker 1: to allow Sean Payton to play quarterback from the sideline.

476
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Speaker 3: We've talked about that with some quarterbacks. McVeigh.

477
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Speaker 1: We've talked about with him in that vein as well,

478
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Speaker 1: can you can you execute my vision for this offense,

479
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 1: for this series, for this play. I think he's going

480
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Speaker 1: to be able to do that. I think Sean Payton's

481
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Speaker 1: going to be happy with the way he's able to,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, execute what he sees from the sideline. So

483
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Speaker 1: I thought that was apparent. There are some things to

484
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Speaker 1: clean up he got, you know, he had pushed up

485
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Speaker 1: in the pocket a few times, kind of running into

486
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Speaker 1: throws instead of resetting. And again at Oregon, the ball

487
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: was coming out so fast that we didn't get it.

488
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Speaker 1: He didn't get as much work at that, So that's

489
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Speaker 1: something that as he's reading things out and gets moved around,

490
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Speaker 1: he's going to have to be a little bit better

491
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Speaker 1: about getting his feet back in the ground. So there's

492
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Speaker 1: stuff to work on there. It wasn't, you know, a

493
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Speaker 1: flawless performance, but they scored points, they moved the football,

494
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Speaker 1: and again, I think the biggest thing, my opinion, is

495
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Speaker 1: just he's going to be able to He's going to

496
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Speaker 1: be able to mesh and marry well with Sean Payton.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a perfect marriage, and we talked about it.

498
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Speaker 2: We didn't compare him to Drew Brees, but we could

499
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Speaker 2: envision him doing Drew Brees like stuff from the pocket.

500
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Speaker 2: I think we talked about it on multiple occasions that

501
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Speaker 2: you could see him in this offense just because it's

502
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Speaker 2: easier for Sean Payton to build an offense around the

503
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Speaker 2: talent light bow Knicks because they're comparable in terms of

504
00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: skill set wise to Drew Brees. And that's saying that

505
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Speaker 2: with the utmost respect for Drew Brees. I think Sean

506
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,879
Speaker 2: Paynon is very comfortable with both Nicks as the quarterback,

507
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Speaker 2: and I think we'll continue to see that over the

508
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Speaker 2: course of the preseason.

509
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Speaker 1: Yep, no doubt. So that was a look there at

510
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Speaker 1: those top quarterbacks. Another couple of rookies that jumped out

511
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Speaker 1: Austin Booker edge rusher out of Kansas to the Chicago Bears.

512
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Speaker 1: I thin get two and a half sacks when watched

513
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Speaker 1: that video. He was fun man. We talked about him

514
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Speaker 1: a bunch of the run up to the draft, just

515
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Speaker 1: hadn't played a lot of snaps, hadn't played a lot

516
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Speaker 1: of football, but he had that. I literally my comp

517
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Speaker 1: for him was the Kirkland brand Max Crosby.

518
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Speaker 3: That was my uh.

519
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,479
Speaker 1: That was Michael Harris never he comes out and then

520
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: he goes off. So uh, it was kind of a

521
00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 1: you know, good find there for the Bears. And then

522
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Speaker 1: I would say it, you know, look, there's more rookies

523
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Speaker 1: you can jump into. But another one you had uh Burton,

524
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Speaker 1: uh from the from the Bengals out of Alabama and

525
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Speaker 1: played really yeah from.

526
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Speaker 2: From Yeah, from out this Way Pet played at Calabasashi

527
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Speaker 2: under Curtis Conway. Curtis Conway does a good job of

528
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Speaker 2: getting them ready even though he bounced around, And it's

529
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Speaker 2: one that he's another easy one. Both of the guys

530
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Speaker 2: that you mentioned were easy to predict as preseason darlings

531
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Speaker 2: book it because of the energy level we played and

532
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: the fact that his game is a perfect fit for

533
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,479
Speaker 2: what ebra Flus wants to do. And then Jermaine Burton

534
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 2: having an opportunity to kind of be that number three

535
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Speaker 2: receiver inside of Jamar Chase and t Higgins. He is

536
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,360
Speaker 2: going to get a lot of one on one coverage

537
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: and a lot of slot defenders gonna have a tough

538
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Speaker 2: time dealing with him because he can twist you in

539
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: nots with his robber and ability and play making. Building

540
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Speaker 2: really good player. It was good to see him get

541
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Speaker 2: off to a good start.

542
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Speaker 3: Yep.

543
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Speaker 1: Will Shipley got in the end zone there out of

544
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Speaker 1: Clemson for the Philadelphia.

545
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Speaker 3: Yeah, my favorites. Yeah, you were in.

546
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Speaker 1: You were definitely on Will Shipley, which is tough for

547
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Speaker 1: you to do as a Carolina guy, any other any

548
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Speaker 1: other rookies, Buck, Before we get into what you saw

549
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Speaker 1: in your game with Casey and Jacksonville, No, I.

550
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Speaker 3: Think you hit most of them. Man, it's just good

551
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Speaker 3: to see.

552
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Speaker 2: I would say the one thing that stood at and

553
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Speaker 2: we'll talk about this at some point.

554
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Speaker 3: DJ the kickoff.

555
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Speaker 2: I don't know what it was like for you when

556
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Speaker 2: you were watching and calling the game.

557
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of consternation.

558
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of like, tummy's what we're going

559
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: to do. And so in a Jags game, right out

560
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Speaker 2: the gate, Parker Washington pops the first one for seventy

561
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Speaker 2: four yards. Wow, andj you see it and you're like, ooh,

562
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Speaker 2: this is a problem because it's a wave of blockers.

563
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 2: Then you get past it, it goes. And then you

564
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: saw the Tennessee game, the returner got busy on a

565
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Speaker 2: big return And I just know how these coaches operate.

566
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Speaker 2: They ay, yeah, coach, I see all this back at

567
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Speaker 2: the end zone thirty yard line. Let's go, we canna

568
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 2: pop this to the thirty yard line. We're not gonna

569
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Speaker 2: deal with it.

570
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Speaker 3: It's gonna be I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

571
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Speaker 2: Now it was interesting. There was a safety in the

572
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Speaker 2: game that I was at in Jacksonville where the ball

573
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: bounced into field of play, went to the went close

574
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Speaker 2: to the end zone. The returner went into the end zone,

575
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 2: grabbed the ball that was out and brought it back in. Yeahint,

576
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: So guys have to be up to date with the

577
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 2: rules in those things. So I think you'll see some

578
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 2: funny things. But at the end of the day, when

579
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: the game gets into those critical moments, you can get

580
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Speaker 2: the ball at.

581
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Speaker 3: The thirty because we can't kick it out of the enzone. Yep,

582
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Speaker 3: one undred percent. I think you're gonna see a lot

583
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Speaker 3: of that Week one.

584
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Speaker 1: I think to me, if I was a head coach,

585
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Speaker 1: I'd say to my special teams coordinator, I know you

586
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Speaker 1: got great plans, but I'll tell you what we're gonna do.

587
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: For the first four games. We're kicking out of the

588
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Speaker 1: back of the end zone. Let's pay attention to what's

589
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 1: going on around the league, what we like, what we

590
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: don't like, what would worry us, what could get us

591
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Speaker 1: in trouble, and then maybe well we'll revisit it. We'll

592
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Speaker 1: revisit it and see, maybe we'll maybe we'll get into

593
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Speaker 1: that quote unquote landing zone, which is going to be

594
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Speaker 1: the name a lot of fancy football teams this year.

595
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Speaker 2: It will be it's too big of a play. I

596
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: saw because earlier, you know, the first couple of games

597
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Speaker 2: did we watched DJ, nothing happened. The ball was getting

598
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Speaker 2: to the twenty eight, twenty nine year old, and I

599
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: was like, well, just didn't really produce anything. Then all

600
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Speaker 2: of a sudden, I don't know, if those guys had

601
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 2: a chance to look at what happened on Thursday night,

602
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: they made some adjustments and we saw guys.

603
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Speaker 3: Have huge returns over the course of the weekend. Yes,

604
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Speaker 3: a matter of time.

605
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 2: Once guy's kind of figured out and take advantage of

606
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: some of the rules, you can see more of those returns.

607
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Speaker 3: And that's why these coaches gonna be like, yeah, we're

608
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: not playing rock at the ball. Yeah. If I was

609
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Speaker 3: a head coach, my landing zone be in the third row.

610
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Speaker 1: That's where my landing zone, because that's where we're kicking

611
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Speaker 1: that thing, all right, Buck?

612
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Speaker 3: How about any other takeaways from your game there? What

613
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Speaker 3: you see? I would say the can City Chiefs.

614
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Speaker 2: You know, we talked about the formula and you've been

615
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 2: you've been with Andy Reid, you've brought with him in Philadelphia.

616
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Speaker 3: He loves to steal those games at the beginning of

617
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Speaker 3: the year.

618
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Speaker 2: He's not giving away games that first month season, DJ,

619
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Speaker 2: Pat Mahomes and crew went right up and down the field.

620
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Speaker 3: They did a really good job. Now they only got a.

621
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Speaker 2: Field goal, but what they were to do, Hollywood Brown,

622
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Speaker 2: who got hurt in the game.

623
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Speaker 3: You could just see it, DJ. You could just see

624
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Speaker 3: the speed.

625
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: You could see how Pat Mahomes was going to utilize it.

626
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 2: They ran the football a little bit, but you don't

627
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 2: worry about them. I think on the jack side, it

628
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: was good to see a couple of things. Trevor Lawrence

629
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Speaker 2: was in rhythm early. That's really important because in the

630
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 2: red zone last year they struggled. He had Travis y

631
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: Tann a little anger out for a touchdown. And you know,

632
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 2: the Jaguars spent a lot of money on their own

633
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 2: guys this year. You know, they talked about Josh eins Allen,

634
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, Tyson, Campbell.

635
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 3: They brought in some free agents with DJ.

636
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 2: When you start having those big money core guys, you

637
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: got to get the developmental.

638
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: Guys to come.

639
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: And so the second and third year players that pot

640
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,160
Speaker 2: Parker Washington being a guy that stood up and made

641
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: some plays. They had a guy Chris from Braswell who

642
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: made some plays at cornerback. And then t Bigsby, who

643
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 2: I told you last year was the fantasy dar.

644
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 3: He shot, I don't care. No no, no, no.

645
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no no no no, I'm not I'm not saying

646
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 2: go get on, get on the train.

647
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Speaker 3: I'm just saying he showed up. You two. He made

648
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 3: a jump, he showed up. I'm not saying go your

649
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: fantasy guards. But I was way aggressive on that one,

650
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: aggressive on that one. Good. He looked good though. He

651
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,680
Speaker 3: looked good at his opportunity to play. Well, yeah, that's

652
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 3: that's good to know.

653
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: The Chargers and the Seahawks Chargers offensively just couldn't do anything.

654
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: They could not move the ball, they couldn't get third

655
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: down conversions. Easton Stick had a tough one. The Joe

656
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: Walt played I think gosh, I might played the whole

657
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: first half. Uh he was good, so got into his

658
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: chest on one, gave up a little bit of a

659
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: power rush outside of that, really clean. He's gonna be

660
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: a really good player, Steady Eddie. He's freaking huge, man.

661
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: He just looks so big out there. You got to

662
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: see the first couple of snaps. It was kind of

663
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: a statement thing. They came out with Jordan McFadden their

664
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: guard in as the sixth offensive lineman. Uh so, giving

665
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: you a a little a little taste there. But they

666
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: didn't have their backs. So when you don't have you know,

667
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: obviously no Herbert the receivers, you didn't have mconkey. Hopefully

668
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: he'll be back soon. So again, not a lot of

669
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: guys out there defensively, same thing, you know. You know,

670
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: Bosa mac Derwin, James one of those guys. So from

671
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 1: the Chargers side of things, really, the only takeaway I

672
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: would say is I'd be a little bit I'd be

673
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: mildly concerned about the backup quarterback situation Easton, and I'm

674
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: sure he'd be the first one to admit he's got

675
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: to play better than that, because if you have to

676
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: play with him you got to have it, you gotta

677
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: have a chance. So he was not he was not

678
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: great there on the other side with the Seahawks Buck

679
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: and we talked about it. We talked about it. Gosh,

680
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: how long ago? Wasn't that long ago? Or we just

681
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: talked about the fact that you know, Leslie Fraser mentioned

682
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: in the secondary and how positive and glowing he was.

683
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: It's a good group. Greek Wollan looked really good, really good.

684
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: They've got a chance to be really good on the

685
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: back end, and they've got a nice wave of rushers

686
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: up front. They got a lot of depth up front.

687
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: So I was impressed in Mike McDonald's first game. They

688
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: were flying around and then offensively for them, you know,

689
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: I thought, really I thought, uh, Sam Howell looked fine

690
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,719
Speaker 1: through he's got a live arm.

691
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 3: And PJ Walker was great. He played really well. As

692
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: they're three.

693
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 1: That's an enviable situation to have PJ Walker as your three.

694
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: I would imagine they'll get some calls on him if

695
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: they don't want to carry three.

696
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:26,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's funny, right, So Mike McDonald the Seahawks

697
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: defense and what we thought, like, So it's funny because

698
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: they were talking about the culture and how Mike McDonald

699
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: maybe a little militaristic. What I loved about Mike McDonald

700
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: the things that I heard out of Baltimore was how

701
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: he took all of those iterations of the defense, how

702
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: he organized it, simplified it and condensed it to make

703
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,959
Speaker 2: it very adjustible to the players while also making it

704
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: conceptual where it was easy to build upon the layers.

705
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 2: And thinking about the Seattle Seahawks defense, I thought it

706
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: was a solid foundation in place. They just needed some

707
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: extra stuff, right, It needs some icing on the ca

708
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: some sprinkles, just a little something to.

709
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: Dress it up. Mike McDonald has that.

710
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: And I will say this, don't underestimate Leslie Fraser's ability

711
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: to contribute on the defensive side the ball. He was

712
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: a really good defense coordinator for a long time. You

713
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 2: saw the work that he did in Buffalo. I just

714
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 2: think that's a fabulous combination. So I like that for

715
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: the Chargers. The way the charges play, I think it's

716
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: a it's akin to cooking in a crock pot, Like

717
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: it doesn't happen instantly. It's a slow, methodical, slow burn,

718
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: and then you look at after hours like, oh, okay,

719
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: this is what it looks like and just watching the

720
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 2: rebuild that he's done Stanford, Michigan those other places, DJ

721
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: it it took a while in some of those places

722
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,959
Speaker 2: for it to latch on, but then when it did,

723
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 2: it's snowball and you saw the masterpiece that came out.

724
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: It might just be a slow burn for the Chargers

725
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: early in terms of just embracing us out. It's really,

726
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: I think, radically different than the way that they played previously.

727
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: It may take some time to embrace like that, the

728
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 2: physicality and the grind of it, but I think eventually

729
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: it's gonna pay off. And obviously you need to have

730
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: QB one to be able to see what they're going

731
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: to do.

732
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: But yeah, I think it'll be fine.

733
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely changes things. I tweeted this out and

734
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: just in terms of takeaway from these preseason camps that

735
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: we get a chance to get out and visit practice

736
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: and then just watching not only game live, but watching

737
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: a bunch of tape this first week. One thing that

738
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: jumped out to me Buck is a we're seeing a

739
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: lot of Nickel blitz like and we've been on this

740
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: trend for a while in terms of like the days

741
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: of the Little Baby Nickel in there. That's just a

742
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: little cover guy that's just quick and agile, that's over.

743
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: You want a guy that can force the run, that

744
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: can tackle, and now more than ever, just because of

745
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: all these different fronts and simulated pressures that they're bringing,

746
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: Like I've seen a ton of Nickel blitz and what

747
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: I'm seeing is these guys are being coached up. It

748
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 1: has definitely been a teaching point. Has to be because

749
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: I've seen it everywhere. Is that the hands are getting up.

750
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: I've never seen more secondary rushers get their hands on

751
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: passes in my life because forever it's just hey, head down,

752
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: eyes on the chet, like you go like you were

753
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: going to the quarterback outside shoulder or whatever so he

754
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: doesn't roll out, and then you're going at him. Now

755
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, guys, this league, the ball comes out

756
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: so fast. You know, you think about JJ remember JJ Swatt,

757
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: Like even somebody who was as good a pass where

758
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: as he was, he had an innate feel of like, man,

759
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: they're going to be conscious by getting the ball out,

760
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: so I can still impact the game by getting my

761
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: hands up. Now, I've never seen it this many times

762
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: between the linebackers and secondary rushers buck of get five

763
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,320
Speaker 1: six yards away from from the quarterback and having the

764
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: instincts and the awareness pop your hands up in there.

765
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: And I'm seeing tip passes all over the place. Yeah,

766
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 3: So it's funny. Man.

767
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: Our buddy Greg Ciano used to really really really drilled

768
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: at a ton at his places. He would always talk

769
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: about matching the hand, so the guy as they were rushing,

770
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: they were matched to hand of the quarterback to really

771
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: it's a great teaching point, you know, to be able

772
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: to enhance their opportunity to bat the ball down. And

773
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: so those guys were practicing and get it up and

774
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 2: DJ we talked about interceptions, tips and overthrows. Man, those

775
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 2: batted balls they're scary. I'm sure you as a quarterback

776
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 2: the ball is batted up you you don't have anything,

777
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: You're like, oh my gods. And if you're because the

778
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 2: way the game is going, these teams are running these

779
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: quick games and screens and those things. Your pass rushers,

780
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 2: even the second of you guys, if they're trained to

781
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: get their hands up and it just tip it and deflected,

782
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: you canna get some turnover, some easy turnovers off of

783
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: those deflections.

784
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just curious, like just from you going out

785
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 1: to camps and being at games and seeing things. If

786
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: you've if you've seen the same thing, I've just never

787
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: seen this many balls get tipped up in there. It's

788
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable.

789
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's obviously been a concerted effort where people are

790
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: talking about it. They're talking about if I can't get

791
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 2: to the quarterback, how can I disrupt the rhythm of

792
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: the passing game? DJ hands up it look having to

793
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: make them make the quarterback throw through the thicket or

794
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: throw through the trees or look, it shrinks, not only

795
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 2: like you talk about the bad balls, but man, it changes,

796
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: like the trajectory of the throws and all those other things.

797
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 3: It becomes challenging.

798
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: And also as we're getting more non prototypical size quarterbacks

799
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 2: in the pocket.

800
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the point those three points off the edges. I

801
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 3: think some coaches refer to it as make them throw

802
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: from the wheel. Yeah, make them throw from the center

803
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 3: of the pocket, throw from the wheb.

804
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: But they got to throw up over the top of

805
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: these these these tall trees.

806
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can get you can get some things that

807
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 3: impact and disrupt the passing.

808
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:35,120
Speaker 1: It, especially because so many quarterbacks will just replace the blitz.

809
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,719
Speaker 1: So in other words, wherever that rusher is coming from,

810
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: they're throwing right into it because they know that's where

811
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: they've got a matchup.

812
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 3: But you've got a linebacker trying to get over there.

813
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 3: You've got a winner.

814
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: And now it's like, well, these guys train so well, man,

815
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to navigate around the free rusher. And

816
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: it does kind of create a wall as you can

817
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: kind of fan out the protection. You get a free

818
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: run through, and it is you get a bunch of

819
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: big interior guys, edge guys, and now even the guys

820
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: coming off the corner, when they get their arms up,

821
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: it makes them play like they're six three six four,

822
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: even are five to ten. So it's yeah, I think

823
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 1: you hit on something there that's fascinating just about the

824
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: size of the quarterback, which hasn't been an issue because we've.

825
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 3: Been in the gun.

826
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: We're getting the ball out quick, you know, and that's

827
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: kind of negated any advantage of being a big, tall

828
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 1: quarterback to be able to hang in there in the pocket.

829
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: Big strong, sturdy era that we had, I mean, think

830
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: about it was Peyton Manning six five, Tom Brady six ' five,

831
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger, darn near sixty six like that era, Philip Rivers,

832
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: like that was the era that we can't just came

833
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: out of. We're all those top guys, Eli Manning, like,

834
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: guys are huge to now we're playing with you know,

835
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: and not and not all of them are six foot,

836
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: but you're talking about a lot of We had a

837
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: lot of six.

838
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,479
Speaker 3: To one, six to two quarterbacks in this league right now.

839
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's changing everything, and so we're seeing it

840
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 2: happen in games. I'm telling you, man, the prototypes, as

841
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 2: the prototypes go, there can be some advantages for the

842
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: teams this deal draft and go after those prototypical guys

843
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: on the defensive.

844
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: We both we both call games for teams that have

845
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: giants over Lawrence and Justin Harber.

846
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: And and there's advantages of those guys that can throw

847
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: over those guys. But then also when you think about

848
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: building your team defensively, we talk about the long arms

849
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: and you know, and and size and armland being able

850
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: to condense the pocket, collapse the pocket and get your

851
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: hands up. Turnovers come when those things happen.

852
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: Anything anything else standing out, anything else you want to

853
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: get into before we jump out of here bock no.

854
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: The kiss A quick turn around DJ. So hard to

855
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: believe that.

856
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 2: Like we're Monday, We're already gonna be covering another game

857
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: on Thursday.

858
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,720
Speaker 3: Like we are in the midst we are in the mixed.

859
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: It's together. We're together on that one. I don't know,

860
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 3: I know, I know. I'm looking Thursday. You working Thursday.

861
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,839
Speaker 3: I think a Thursday fifteenth. Yeah, I'm on on Yep,

862
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: we'll be together.

863
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: We'll be together, get a chance to hang out and

864
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: watch a ball game, and then uh, we've got our

865
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 1: first high school scrimmage Friday. You guys, you guys going Friday,

866
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: don't I don't think you're not doing scrimmages? But are

867
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: you going to do an inner squad?

868
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 3: What are you in our squad? Last week?

869
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: We do like a little game situation scrimming je on

870
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: Thursday where we kind of run through a game day,

871
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 2: go through situations, try and get the substitutions right, all

872
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Speaker 2: those other things, and then kind of go there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I love it. I think you're smart. Not doing

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Speaker 3: the scrimmage trying to get to the start line.

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Speaker 2: With everybody start line, we don't know what happens trying

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Speaker 2: to get to the start and like give them a

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Speaker 2: little taste and get.

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Speaker 3: Going and get them out of there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't have a big high school either, or

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Speaker 1: something like, oh boy, hold your butts, let's not get

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Speaker 1: anybody hurt out here.

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Speaker 2: Don't try and win the scrimmage. I learned now, don't

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Speaker 2: try and wind to scrimmage. Get enough, now work, get

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Speaker 2: you guys off the field, get.

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Speaker 3: Them out of there. All right, that's gonna do it

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Speaker 3: for us today. I hope you guys have enjoyed it.

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Speaker 3: We will be back.

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Speaker 1: Couple more episodes coming your way this week. We are

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Speaker 1: in the middle of preseason. Uh, and there's nothing better

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Speaker 1: to have football back. Enjoy, enjoy talking about I hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoy listening. We'll see you next time. Right

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Speaker 1: here on, move the sticks.