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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie, just thirteen years old, walks into the woods and disappears.

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Speaker 1: No way, this little girl did not just walk into

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Speaker 2: And boof disappear and tonight, bizarre inconsistencies emerge amongst the

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Speaker 2: various stories about what happened to Stephanie.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us.

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Speaker 1: A teen girl, Stephanie, just thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Is lost in the woods, say her parents.

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Speaker 1: We're getting a lot of conflicting reports.

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Speaker 2: The parents went overnight without reporting their thirteen year old girl.

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Speaker 3: With God.

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Speaker 2: As we all gather together this holiday season, whether it's

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Speaker 2: around a manger scene, a Christmas tree, or Menora, we're

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Speaker 2: together as a family. Not everyone has that blessing, that

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Speaker 2: luxury to be together during the holidays. Tonight, please help

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Speaker 2: us bring them home for Christmas. People across our country missing,

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Speaker 2: sometimes for days, sometimes for hours, sometimes for years. Won't

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Speaker 2: you help us bring them home for Christmas?

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Speaker 1: Where is Stephanie?

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Speaker 2: It's going to be a cold day in hgublel that

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Speaker 2: I believe A little girl just thirteen years old walks

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Speaker 4: Listen despite extensive investigative efforts including a neighborhood canvas and

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Speaker 4: video search, along within expansive grid search utilizing canines from

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Speaker 4: Maine Warden Service and Main State Police, Stephanie is still missing.

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Speaker 5: Everything is still on the table for us from her

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Speaker 5: simply being missing to run away through the worst situation

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Speaker 5: because we don't have any concrete tips that have let

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Speaker 2: I find that very very hard to believe that there

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Speaker 2: are no concrete leads or tips.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you're hearing from.

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Speaker 2: Special FBI Agent in charge Kimberly Millcuff from New Center, Maine,

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Speaker 2: then Lieutenant Darren Karn from the Main State Police. There

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Speaker 2: is a lot going on in this scenario, and to

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Speaker 2: figure out where is Stephanie tonight, you have to go

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Speaker 2: back to the bizarre living conditions where she and eight

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a yurt y.

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Speaker 2: Yellow utah are, Rhode Island, t Tennessee a yert to

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Speaker 2: Chris Carson joining us special guests joining us tonight of

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Speaker 2: New Sweden, Maine, a neighbor of the Stephanie Damron family. Chris,

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us tonight

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Speaker 2: because is not very many people are willing to speak out,

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Speaker 2: and I think I know why, but I'll get to

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Speaker 1: Dad, had left the yurt.

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Speaker 2: Which has no heating, no air condition, certainly no WiFi.

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Speaker 2: The mom and dad had gone up the street to

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Speaker 6: That had heating, water the works, leaving.

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Speaker 2: Stephanie and other children there with the grandpa no blood relation.

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Speaker 2: So tell me about the yurt that these children were

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Speaker 7: Originally, when they first moved here, there was built beside

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Speaker 8: Very poor conditions at that time.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to understand how the mom and dad

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Speaker 2: don't know where this guy factors in, but how many children,

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Speaker 2: how many people, to the best of your knowledge, Chris

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Speaker 7: At that time when the parents moved up, it was

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Speaker 2: Speaking of Grandpa to Christy Wren, volunteer searcher for Stephanie,

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Speaker 2: By now, question Christy, who is Grandpa? That would be

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Speaker 2: eighty year old Richard Turgeon.

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Speaker 9: Richard is a friend of more than fifteen years of Dale's.

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Speaker 9: He helped Dale through a rough pad long time ago.

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Speaker 9: They became close bonded. He helped the family to kind

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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, you really got my attention. State to

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Speaker 2: I've done a little research on why they've gone from

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Speaker 2: one state starting in Texas, to another, to another. Now

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Speaker 1: Dave matt these eight.

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Speaker 2: Children, they don't all belong biologically to Dale Damron, do

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Speaker 2: they actually?

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Speaker 10: Lisa Murray Damron was married at the time she met

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Speaker 10: Dale Damron and had been in an eighteen year marriage,

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Speaker 2: Now, isn't it true, Dave mac Let's be specific. Just

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Speaker 2: before a court hearing where the mom, Elisa now Damron,

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Speaker 2: took the four children by the bio dad and left

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Speaker 6: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 10: That is exactly what the biological father of those children,

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Speaker 10: her first husband, had to say. He said they had

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Speaker 10: an upcoming custody hearing, and she left. She took the

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Speaker 2: Well, I just wonder you know, Brian Fis Gibbons, you're

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Speaker 2: the director of Operations USPA Nationwide Security. You lead a

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Speaker 2: find people. That's your specialty. Uspasecurity dot com Brian, maybe

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Speaker 2: he couldn't find his four children because they're living in

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Speaker 2: a yurt in Newst Sweden, Maine, way off the grid.

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Speaker 2: You heard Chris Carson say, you can hardly get up

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Speaker 2: the driveway such as it is.

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Speaker 6: Let's see a shot of this place.

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Speaker 2: There's no phone, there's no electricity, there's no heating.

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Speaker 6: Much less air conditioned.

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Speaker 1: No wonder he couldn't find his children.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And just to give folks some perspective, you know

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Speaker 11: So you know, this.

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Speaker 3: Yurt living with no connectivity, no cell phones. This is

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Speaker 2: Out to Christy rand joining us a volunteer searcher. She's

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Speaker 2: been out being the bush, is trying to find then

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Speaker 2: thirteen year old Stephanie, who's just a beautiful little girl.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine her alone out in that wilderness. I

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Speaker 2: know canines were brought in and I'm going to get

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Speaker 2: best witness I ever put on the stand. Christy was

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Speaker 2: because I've learned that there was another young daughter, now

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Speaker 6: Isn't that true?

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Speaker 9: Yes, that's definitely true. Lis oldest child would be one

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Speaker 9: lives out of state, obviously, is nowhere near where they

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Speaker 2: See you know, that is for me my worst nightmare,

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Speaker 2: that I'm cut off from my children or I'm away

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Speaker 6: That would be hell to me. People say, what is hell?

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Speaker 2: She ran away, and I guarantee you there's a reason why, because.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Koloshewski is joining us a renowned for psychologist,

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Speaker 2: author of Dark Sides.

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Speaker 6: And you can find him on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Doctor Jeff Kloshewski, forensic psychologist, It's like

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Speaker 2: relationships when you break up and you break up and

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Speaker 2: don't work out. At some point you have to think, wait,

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Speaker 2: wait a minute, I'm the common denominator. Maybe I have

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Speaker 2: the problem. When you have one child run away, I

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Speaker 2: don't know whose fault that is. But when you start

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Speaker 1: They're the common denominator.

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Speaker 11: That's true. And the one thing about this case from

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Speaker 11: what we know already is that this hopping from state

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Speaker 11: My big question is it sounds like there's a lot

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Speaker 2: Away off dissecting what happened in the past. Why did

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Speaker 2: the other daughter run away by the same time Stephanie

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Speaker 2: Damron disappears, walks into the woods and poof disappears.

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Speaker 6: That's not true.

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Speaker 1: That is not what happened.

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Speaker 6: I don't know what happened yet, but it ain't that.

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Speaker 6: Let's go to that night listen.

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Speaker 12: After a serious argument about chores, Stephanie goes for a walk.

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Speaker 12: Lisa and Dale Damron are in town on a job

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Speaker 12: and the dam Rons think Stephanie will return shortly. As

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Speaker 12: dam Rons reporter missing.

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Speaker 2: Let me understand exactly Todave's Matt crime Story's investigative reporter.

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Speaker 2: What are they saying happened to Stephanie.

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Speaker 10: They were not home when this happened, and that Dale

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Speaker 10: from Star saying there'd been an argument and Stephanie took off.

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Speaker 10: I mean, that's the story that they stick with, but

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Speaker 10: it makes absolutely no sense because of where they're located, Nancy,

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Speaker 10: there's no restaurant in town nearby, there is nothing but

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Speaker 10: I mean, she'd have been found. This is impossible.

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Speaker 6: You can't just drop a bomb on me and not

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Speaker 2: To react to Chris Carson Senior joining us from New Sweden.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the only people with the backbone to

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Speaker 6: He's a neighbor of the damn Ron family. I've got

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Speaker 2: I thought Dale Damron was on disability.

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Speaker 6: What job interviews did he say he had?

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Speaker 8: It was Ruby Tuesdays.

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Speaker 1: Did he get the job? I'm curious yet.

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Speaker 7: He says that he did, and he worked there for

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Speaker 8: I do not.

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Speaker 7: No, No one's actually tried to even confirm that.

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Speaker 6: No one has tried to confirm it.

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Speaker 2: Even if he did have a job interview that day,

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Speaker 1: Now Here we have.

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Speaker 2: Dad Dale Damron first explanation as to what happened to

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Speaker 13: Listen, her sister and her got into an argument. Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: The kids would go down.

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Speaker 13: There, catch tadpoles and everything. And that's what everybody up

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Speaker 2: Well when we came home, got video from our friends

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Speaker 6: So maybe it's just me Christy Rand.

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Speaker 2: But when I can't find one of my children, I

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Speaker 2: why did they wait until the next day to report

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Speaker 9: Well, according to the parents, Stephanie would walk away and

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Speaker 9: at first they didn't immediately panic. They according to them,

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Speaker 9: I've never heard Chris would know better. I don't think

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Speaker 2: Just what did you just say, Christy, that this thirteen

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Speaker 9: They say that she was known to go for walks

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Speaker 2: Well, going for a walk and spending the night in

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Speaker 2: on the panel tonight. Has there been a suggestion that

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Speaker 1: I've never heard that till this very moment. Is that true?

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Speaker 8: I have never heard of that either. That's the first time.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I never heard that.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's just someone's speculation.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what does the father Dale Damon have to say

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Speaker 13: Where we live at and the way we live at

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Speaker 14: So we got the phone calls that she took off

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Speaker 13: And we figured by the time we get home she'd

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Speaker 15: End of Stephanie still hasn't returned an hour and a

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Speaker 2: You heard Dale Darmron speaking to on Patrol Live. We

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Speaker 6: Then nighttime falls.

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Speaker 16: As sunset approaches with no sign of Stephanie, the Damren's

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Speaker 16: The teen isn't responding to anyone screaming her name, she

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the search that then ensued. Of course,

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Speaker 2: law enforcement had lost twenty four critical hours by the

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Speaker 2: years old. Please continue showing photos of Stephanie while we're

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Speaker 2: talking in case it sparks anyone's memory. What happened then,

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Speaker 2: Chris Carson, seeing you're joining us the darn Ron family, neighbor,

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Speaker 7: When I'm Kelly and I first realized that she was missing,

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Speaker 7: it was a few days after they actually called the

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Speaker 7: I were getting ready to go to town, and uh, Lisa

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Speaker 7: h Then after she found out, no, he doesn't. Here's

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Speaker 2: I did what was his demeanor when he told you

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Speaker 8: It was Lisa that told us, and she was actually

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Speaker 2: Chris Carson Senior, you're telling me you didn't realize until

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Speaker 2: how many hours later that Stephanie was missing until Lisa

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Speaker 2: Danron told you?

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Speaker 6: How long had it been.

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Speaker 8: Oh it wasn't hours, it was a couple of days.

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Speaker 6: And you're their next door neighbor.

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Speaker 8: Yep, right next door neighbor. Stephanie used to come here

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting to me to Franz Borghart. He

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Speaker 2: is a high profile lawyer, criminal defense attorney, founder of

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Speaker 2: on and on. Franz. When I put a witness on

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Speaker 2: up to a jury. If they've got problems, I tell

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Speaker 6: So they know the problems.

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Speaker 2: One thing I look at is whether they are willing

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Speaker 2: to come forward tonight. Chris Carson is joining us willingly,

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Speaker 2: but the mother and father won't speak out.

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Speaker 6: They are in the middle of a.

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Speaker 2: Search for their daughter. Yeah, they're shrinking violence when it

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Speaker 6: And I've got a problem because what.

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Speaker 1: Carson is telling me is very different.

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Speaker 6: From what the dad has been saying listen.

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Speaker 17: Damn Ron says in the first half hour after returning

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Speaker 17: knocking on every neighbor's door notifying them Stephan he was missing,

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Speaker 17: but neighbor Doug Tinsley says he and other neighbors Chris

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Speaker 14: Within the first half hour of me being home. I

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Speaker 2: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, you were just hearing the

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Speaker 2: biodad Dale Damron on locating the lost describing Franz.

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Speaker 6: Borghart how he went all the way to.

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Speaker 2: The creek on one end and all the way to

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Speaker 2: They say nobody told them. She was missing for two days. Now,

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Speaker 18: Well, if I'm defending Dale, Dale's certainly not coming on

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Speaker 18: your show, Nancy, because his consistent, inconsistent statements are going

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Speaker 18: guys clearly aren't going to win any parenting awards and

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know anything that you just said. It's

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Speaker 2: sch defense lawyer Babbel. I asked you who to believe,

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Speaker 2: and you start talking about a parenting a word. Nobody's

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Speaker 2: walking out of this crowned miscongeniality or miss sweet Potato.

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Speaker 2: That's not happening tonight. But I find it very very disturbing.

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Speaker 2: Christy Wren joining us in addition to Chris Carson, the neighbor.

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Speaker 2: Christy Wren has been out searching for Stephanie.

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Speaker 6: Did you come in contact with any any person.

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Speaker 2: That stated that night, that day when she was finally

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Speaker 6: Them Stephanie's gone. Have you seen her anybody?

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Speaker 18: No?

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Speaker 10: Never.

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Speaker 9: I want answers why you are saying you were screaming

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Speaker 2: You know what, Chris Carson joining us the neighbor, Chris,

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Speaker 2: I want to tell you what happened.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 2: I heard a neighbor was ill, and I took them

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Speaker 6: I locked on the door and I said.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm your Caddy corner neighbor.

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Speaker 2: And she said, are you the woman looking for her cat?

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Speaker 6: I went, well, that was a while ago, She goes,

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Speaker 6: that's when I first met you. I don't know if

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Speaker 2: You were walking up and down the whole neighborhood screaming Cinnamon, Cinnamon,

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Speaker 2: that's the name of our cat. And then he went

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Speaker 1: We heard you in the house.

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Speaker 2: That was for the cat, Chris, the cat who we

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Speaker 7: They haven't talked to any of the neighbors about anything,

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Speaker 2: And I want to stress that as of tonight as

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Speaker 2: of interest, a suspect. Neither has the fake grind Paul

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Speaker 6: The FBI has been called.

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Speaker 1: In on the search for Stephanie.

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Speaker 6: This little girl, just thirteen.

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Speaker 2: Years old, was either running away from something or running

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Speaker 1: Tonight, Where is Stephanie?

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Speaker 2: What about the search once the parents finally report her missing,

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Speaker 17: Listen the Demarns contact the mainstay police and organized searches begin.

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Speaker 17: Investigators conduct a neighborhood canvas in video search. K nine

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Speaker 14: I honestly think that she got picked up by somebody.

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Speaker 14: She thought she was going to home that night and

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Speaker 14: I don't think she's anywhere in new suite now. I

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Speaker 14: I had somebody on there that she found a number,

449
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 14: and they swapped numbers back and forth and she met

450
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 14: him up at the top of the road.

451
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not what the witnesses say happened. You were

452
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: hearing the dad speaking on locating the lost. This is

453
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 2: something I don't quite get. Chris Carson Senior, the neighbor

454
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 2: of the dam Ont family.

455
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 6: Who is she supposed to be?

456
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: This is a thirteen year old little girl, just turned thirteen.

457
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 2: She's homeschooled, so they say she has no contact with

458
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 2: the rest of the world. She and her sister, the

459
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 2: older sister, Star, do puzzles that they get from the library.

460
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: Occasionally they're way up a dirt trail living in a yurt.

461
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 6: If they don't have heat, air conditioner.

462
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 2: Water, they have to go up to the camper how

463
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: a mile away and drag water back down on a toboggan.

464
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: Yet I'm supposed to believe what the dad's saying is

465
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 2: that she has internet access. He's also saying she went

466
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: to the end of the driveway and somebody picked her up.

467
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 2: Nobody saw that happen, nobody heard that happen, and they

468
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 2: in fact say the opposite, that she walked into the

469
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 2: woods end quote disappeared.

470
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: So they have Wi Fi.

471
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 8: Time.

472
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 7: When Stephanie went missing, the only Wi Fi capabilities that

473
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 7: they had was from a cell phone. I believe they

474
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 7: are on a tel network and you can it barely works.

475
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 7: They really didn't get starlink control after Stephanie was missing.

476
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 2: Let me talk to you about the cell phone. I'm

477
00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 2: very curious about the cell phone. Stephanie or did not

478
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: have a cell phone. It would have been Grandpa, the

479
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 2: eighty year old non biological relative living.

480
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 6: With them, his flip phone. Is that what we're talking about?

481
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 7: Yes, the clipboae and we actually saw start using a

482
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 7: football of that long time when they were up here.

483
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 6: Okay, let's talk about the search.

484
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 2: I'm supposed to believe that this little girl just turned thirteen,

485
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 2: get somebody God only knows who to go up to

486
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: the Canadian border in New Sweden, out in the outskirts,

487
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 2: not even in New Sweden. Look there that somebody came

488
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: there and got her and absconded with her. While the

489
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: testimony is she went into the woods, not met somebody

490
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: at the end of the driveway, it sounds bogus to me,

491
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: Christy Rand, who has spent.

492
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,719
Speaker 1: Tears, sweat and blood searching for this girl.

493
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: How likely is it that this little girl just turned

494
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 2: thirteen uses grandpa's flip phone to have a hot romance

495
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 2: and get somebody to meet her at the end of

496
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: the driveway?

497
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: Probability slim to none. No, it didn't happen.

498
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 9: Not only do people like Chris that have met Stephanie

499
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 9: seem to think that she didn't even have the personality

500
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 9: type to be flirting or meeting men online. It didn't happen.

501
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 9: I think there's a possibility that she wanted a phone

502
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 9: so that she could run away or get out, but

503
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 9: I don't believe that she was full with that.

504
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 2: Now she doesn't seem to have the capability to do that.

505
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: But that said more importantly to Brian Fitzgibbons, who sends

506
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: a team of investigators all around the world trying to

507
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: find missing people. That's rank speculation that this little girl

508
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 2: had a hot romance online and convinced somebody to drive

509
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: up to New Sweden and take her away from it all.

510
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: There's no indication. No one saw a car, no one

511
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: heard a car, No one knows of anyone she was

512
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 2: talking to online or calling on her grandpa's her fate

513
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: grandpa's flip phone.

514
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: What I go back is to the witness.

515
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: Account, the grandpa and the sister state she had an

516
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:28,239
Speaker 2: argument with the sister in the moment, which means it

517
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 2: wasn't planned. In the moment about chores in the yert,

518
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 2: I guess sweeping the dirt floor. They had an argument

519
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: and she, according to them, went off into the.

520
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 6: Woods and disappeared.

521
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 2: That is the original story. All this about meeting somebody

522
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: online is concocted.

523
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 3: I agree, Nancy, and we have to take those witness

524
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: accounts for what they are. These are people that are

525
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: wholly dependent on Dale Dan run Okay, that are providing

526
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: this informational law enforcement. The second piece that I wanted

527
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: to say, when we're dealing with a flip phone that

528
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: won't have apps that are encrypted, all of those communications

529
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: are going to be readily available to law enforcement. So

530
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 3: if it were the case that Stephanie was using this

531
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 3: flip phone to communicate with somebody to pick her up,

532
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 3: law enforcement would have that. That's an ideal scenario to

533
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: track communications. This is not like an iPhone sixteen that

534
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: could have any number of apps where communication tracking would

535
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: be very difficult.

536
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 2: Even though he originally said, and you heard him from

537
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 2: the Horse's Mouth, that he thought.

538
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 6: That Stephanie went angrily into.

539
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 2: The woods over chores in the yurt down to the

540
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 2: tadpole hole.

541
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 6: It was kind of like a ditch with water in it.

542
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: We were showing it earlier, and that's where he originally

543
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: said she went.

544
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 6: But then after he thinks.

545
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 2: About it, comes up with a story that she obviously

546
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: fell in love with someone and hit out listen, or.

547
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 14: If she could just contact someone and let us know, Hey,

548
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 14: I'm all right, mom and dad, you know, let us know,

549
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 14: let us know what's going on. Like I even told her.

550
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm from West Virginia, so I don't expect

551
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 14: everybody understand if she was fourteen, you know, turn fourteen,

552
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 14: she fell in love with some boy and everything, and

553
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 14: she wanted to hide out and everything until whatever. That's fine,

554
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 14: let us know what's going on so we can help

555
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 14: them take care of her.

556
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: Hide out with the boy? What boy?

557
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: Internet searches have been done, forensic searches have been done.

558
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: There is no boy. What is he talking about.

559
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: I'm from West Virginia, so maybe everybody else doesn't understand.

560
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: But falling in love at fourteen with some boy or whatever,

561
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: he's totally changing course, davemac, Is there any indication she

562
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: had an online romance?

563
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 10: Any none, whatsoever? Nancy, There is no indication that she

564
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 10: or her we're able to get online. All of that

565
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 10: story comes from Dale Damrun.

566
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: As of tonight as we go to air, neither Dale

567
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 2: Damron nor his wife have been charged.

568
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 6: They have not been named a person of interest a suspect.

569
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: Neither has the fake grandpa that lives with the two

570
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: little girls. What did the search for thirteen year old

571
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 2: Stephanie entail? What was done to Christy rand joining us

572
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:36,479
Speaker 2: who is a searcher and has been spending time, effort, money,

573
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: resources trying to find Stephanie?

574
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: Tell me about the search.

575
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 6: I understand drones, k nines and more were used.

576
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 9: K nines basically any resource that our main state police

577
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 9: or the FBI could have brought in. It was brought

578
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 9: dozens and dozens of vehicles all along the street. I

579
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 9: know that some of what went on was kind of secret.

580
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 9: If we've heard reports from the Andrew the neighbor uncle Andrew,

581
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 9: that his property was searched as well as far as

582
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 9: I know, they've approached neighbors looking for security camera footing,

583
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 9: anything that's relevant.

584
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: I want to go to Chris Carson, now, the neighbor

585
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: of the damn On family. What did you observe of

586
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 2: the search because the dogs didn't pick up anything.

587
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 7: The first set of dogs that they brought in were

588
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 7: just search dogs, normal search dogs, and my property. I

589
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 7: opened it up to anybody, you know that was a

590
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 7: search team to come on my property and do whatever

591
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 7: you got to do, and I'm cool with it. And

592
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 7: uh so they the search teams were just honestly, there

593
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 7: were nuts. They were all over the place. It was crazy,

594
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 7: it was. It was just a huge thing going on.

595
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 7: Uh and then they brought back another set of dogs,

596
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 7: but these ones were of course Cadabra built, which are

597
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 7: different from Serchoke and those guys they I mean, we

598
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 7: had that everything going on, helicopters over my house. It

599
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 7: was shaking my house. It was they were searching. They

600
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 7: did a good job searching.

601
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 4: Despite extensive investigative efforts, including a neighborhood canvas and video

602
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: search along within expansive grid search utilizing canines from Maine

603
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 4: Warden Service and Main State Police, Stephanie is still missing.

604
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 15: Investigators remained tight lipped about what exactly was found on

605
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 15: the grandfather's cell phone, but calls in the FBI's Child

606
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 15: Abduction Rapid Deployment or Card Team to assist in the investigation.

607
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 15: Investigators follow up on leeds in West Virginia, Texas, New Hampshire,

608
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 15: and even Canada, but none have led them any closer

609
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 15: to Stephanie.

610
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 5: Their tips from the public that maybe she had a

611
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 5: social media friend at the time or an acquaintance. We

612
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: just try to follow up on any information for those

613
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 5: oversigned states.

614
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: First, ye're hearing from a special agent FBI agent at Kimberly, Milka,

615
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 2: and then you were hearing from New Center, Maine. And

616
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 2: then also from New Center, Maine, you were hearing Lieutenant

617
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 2: Darren Karn, Main State Police. Did you hear what they said,

618
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons, what Karn said? He said there have been

619
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: tips from the public that maybe she had a social

620
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: media friend. We follow up on any information, yet there

621
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 2: has been no name, There has been.

622
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 6: No online friend. In other words, that's a dead end.

623
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely, And the question is, in order to have

624
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 19: a friend on social media, you have to have an

625
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 19: ability to connect to social media, and that's not happening

626
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 19: on a flip phone.

627
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 3: That the grandpa has, right, So you know this is

628
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 3: a dead end. These tips from the public seemed to

629
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: be from the parents, right. And then the next thing is,

630
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 3: you know, knowing that neighbors heard about this days after

631
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 3: Stephanie was missing, you know, investigators are writ about one

632
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 3: thing that they don't have any leads to go.

633
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: On, and now we learn another piece of the puzzle.

634
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 6: Tonight, everything is not as it sings. Listen.

635
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 17: Neighbors report hearing Dale, damron and loud arguments that went

636
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 17: on for more than thirty minutes at a time, directed

637
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 17: at his wife and children. The screaming matches, recalled by

638
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 17: neighbors Shelley and Chris Carson, happened frequently in the weeks

639
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 17: and days before Stephanie vanished, with one such screamfest happening

640
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 17: the day Stephanie vanished.

641
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: Chris Carson, neighbor to the damn Rons, Chris Carson Senior,

642
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,439
Speaker 2: Did you ever hear Dale Damron screaming at his wife

643
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 2: and children?

644
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 8: Absolutely?

645
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 7: Yes, And it was not just so we listening. It

646
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 7: was almost daily, constantly sounded like the kids would jumping

647
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,919
Speaker 7: their car, slam doors and pump the horns, beep and.

648
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 8: Beep and beeping, and it was it was just like that.

649
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 8: It was just kind of craze.

650
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 6: What was he yelling at them about.

651
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 8: You really couldn't hear. You could hear a lot of profanity,

652
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 8: the F bombs and stuff like that, and uh.

653
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 7: You really didn't hear anybody yell back, and if you did,

654
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 7: you really couldn't tell what they were saying, because there

655
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 7: when he yells, he make sure that you hear him yell.

656
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: Speaking of dropping the F bombs and screaming at the

657
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: children so loudly the neighbors could hear it. This is

658
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 2: out in the middle of the wilderness. We actually have

659
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 2: some of that caught on video with dann On screaming

660
00:37:53,520 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: and cursing out the neighbors. Listen, weird the street, idiot.

661
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 20: No, your daughter?

662
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 2: What in the hey, Chris Carson is him? Is that

663
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 2: him cursing out your wife.

664
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 7: Absolutely, we didn't even Shelly's never met him before. He

665
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 7: just came up and we saw him out the window.

666
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 7: Well Shelly did. I was in the basement, and uh,

667
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 7: while my wife she looks she's going to protect her

668
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 7: property in her family and it's hers.

669
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 8: She usually doesn't yell like this, but uh, that day,

670
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 8: obviously she did it.

671
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 7: And uh he was just I don't know how to

672
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 7: say the word, but he just wasn't making sense of anything,

673
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 7: just saying that we need to keep our mouths, his

674
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 7: family out of our mouths. And uh, it kept going

675
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 7: on like that, and he kept threatening show to hey,

676
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 7: you know, come out in the roads.

677
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 8: I'll punch you, lay you right out. So I was calm.

678
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 7: I had my hands up, you know, a crossed over

679
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 7: and I did have a firearm, but up here in

680
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 7: may you kin and uh, we get bearers. I mean

681
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 7: they'll show up anywhere, so I always have one. And

682
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 7: I walked out there and uh, he said, what are

683
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 7: you going to do?

684
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 8: Shoot me?

685
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 7: And I was like, well, if you touch my wife,

686
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 7: I will shoot you. And then uh, shortly after that,

687
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 7: Lisa came down and made him hit in the car

688
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 7: and she took them back home.

689
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,760
Speaker 2: I noticed that he that your wife said your daughter

690
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 2: came here for help.

691
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 8: Oh, yes, she came.

692
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 7: Both daughters, Stephanie and Starr, would come here to get

693
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,839
Speaker 7: water because we had a badger out that summer when

694
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 7: the rest of the family was living up Andrews. So

695
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,479
Speaker 7: the girls they would they came up here and rev

696
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 7: water and pulls off of our trees. And uh, they

697
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 7: enjoyed the chickens. They've come up and play with my

698
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 7: chickens and uh, but they wouldn't stay very long, and

699
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 7: then they would just rushed back to their house, almost

700
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 7: like they kind of weren't supposed to be here.

701
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 2: And I want to stress that as of tonight as

702
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: we go to air, neither Dale Damron nor his wife

703
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: have been charged. They have not been named a person

704
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 2: of interest a suspect. Neither has the fake grandpa that

705
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 2: lives with the two little girls.

706
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 6: Take a look at more of that ring camera.

707
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: Footage you have.

708
00:40:40,280 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 20: Let you have there. We don't why what a lie

709
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 20: you walk in you're talking about?

710
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 21: I'm gonnamed? Yeah, how many going?

711
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 20: Who you you go yourself? Because we never got along? Yeah,

712
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 20: your daughter's came here.

713
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 6: This thirteen year old little girl is missing.

714
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: Stephanie argues with his sister about chores, and she tears

715
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 2: up and walks out of the home into the woods.

716
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: Where is Stephanie. Bizarre inconsistencies emerging tonight, and the theories

717
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: from the dad become even more and more unpredictable.

718
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 14: Listen, I hate talking about one of my kids any way, shape,

719
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 14: but I really at this point don't trust anything that

720
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 14: Stars telling me about the whole situation.

721
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy grace.

722
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 10: Dale.

723
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 17: Dan Ron goes so far as to accuse Stephanie and

724
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 17: her sister Star of waiting until the old man they

725
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 17: called Grandpa, eighty year old Richard Turgen, would take his

726
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 17: medication at night, then grabbing his phone from under his

727
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 17: pillow and using it to talk to boys.

728
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 2: So Christy Wren, who has been searching for Stephanie, the

729
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 2: theories are getting zanier and zanier. At the beginning, we

730
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: were told by the sister Star and the fate Grandpa

731
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: that there was an argument over chores. Stephanie walks into

732
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 2: the woods and is never seen against you, just magically.

733
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 2: Now the dad is claiming that the little girl poisons

734
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: the fake Grandpa giving him medications so they could get

735
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: on his phone and using the phone to talk to boys.

736
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 9: There's nothing that makes sense here. We've gone from she

737
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 9: walked into the woods, walked to the street out of

738
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,479
Speaker 9: trind Online. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if

739
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 9: we'll come out with more theories.

740
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 6: Dave Matt.

741
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 2: We just showed Chris Carson, the neighbor Chris Carson Senior,

742
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: the neighbors ring cam where the dad, Dale Damron is

743
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: screaming about CPS. He's got good reason to suspect CPS

744
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 2: was called.

745
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 6: Isn't it true?

746
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: CPS took the children away for a period of time

747
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 2: when they lived in Texas.

748
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 10: They get they actually lost they being the damn run

749
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 10: we're talking about Dale and Lisa. They lost custody of

750
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 10: their children for six months, Nancy, and it went back

751
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 10: to and this incredible judgment on his part. They actually

752
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 10: Dale Damron was smoking marijuana in the car with the

753
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 10: kids in the car, and of course the police see

754
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 10: them and they follow him into a McDonald's where he's

755
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 10: just puffing up. And you know, that's the type of

756
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 10: man we're dealing with, somebody who thinks that's perfectly acceptable behavior.

757
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 10: But yeah, that's how CPS got involved with this family

758
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,240
Speaker 10: to start with, was from the public intoxication and putting

759
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 10: all of his children at risk for his own well being.

760
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: Maybe that's why he thinks everyone calls CPS on him

761
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: this time, As a matter of fact, CPS was called

762
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: on them because the children looked like they hadn't had

763
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: bass and we're basically wearing rags. But I want you

764
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: to hear what Damron has to say on locating the.

765
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 14: Lost Stephanie was sneaking around when Pappau was taking at

766
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 14: sleeping pills, and we weren't around because we got my

767
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 14: dad is eighty years old, just had a massive heart

768
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 14: attack about a year and a half ago, so they

769
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 14: got him on sleeping pills and a bunch of Hart pills.

770
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 14: What Stephanie was doing and her older sister was involved

771
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:13,840
Speaker 14: in it just as much. They were waiting until Papal

772
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 14: took his sleeping pills or was it paying attention, they

773
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 14: would sneak off with his phone.

774
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: That's what is called an alternative narrative. We didn't hear

775
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,240
Speaker 2: anything about that when Stephanie first disappeared in the woods.

776
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: Witn't a parent's site. I think she's met somebody online.

777
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: Look at the grandpa's phone. That's not what the story was.

778
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: Doctor Jeff Kelshewski. What is an alternate narrative?

779
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 3: Right?

780
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 11: It's a false narrative. And how many cases have we

781
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 11: covered when the person was guilty and they try to

782
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 11: build a false narrative for people to go chase down.

783
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:55,399
Speaker 11: That's exactly what's happening here. This guy knows more than

784
00:45:55,600 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 11: what he's disclosing. And I'm glad the FBI has involved

785
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 11: because if this is something that was this child taken

786
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 11: across state lines, who knows where this is going to go?

787
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: And I want to stress that as of tonight as

788
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: we go to air, neither Dale Damron nor his wife

789
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: have been charged. They have not been named a person

790
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 2: of interest, a suspect. Neither has the fake grandpa that

791
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 2: lives with the two little girls. To Franz Borghart, veteran

792
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 2: trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney, founder of the Borghart Law Firm,

793
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: former prosecutor, professor of Louisiana State University, Franz, there's another

794
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: word for alternate narrative. Tonight, we know there is a

795
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollar reward.

796
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 6: Do you believe Franz that rewards work.

797
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,760
Speaker 18: I don't think fifteen thousand's going to get it done, Nancy.

798
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:53,439
Speaker 18: I also think that the fact that there's no significant

799
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 18: forensic leads gives me pause. So I just don't think

800
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 18: we're going to find her.

801
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 2: Ryan fitz Gibbons, Director Operations usp A nationwide security What

802
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: do you.

803
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 3: Think, Just like Attorney Boardcard said, with no substantial forensic leads,

804
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: with no network of friends and associates, you know, Stephanie

805
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 3: was living a very isolated life. Who are you offering

806
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: this reward too?

807
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 2: Is the question?

808
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 10: Right?

809
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 3: So a reward can work in a suburban or urban

810
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 3: scenario where there are a number of people to offer

811
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: it to who might have information.

812
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 2: Well, if you don't think the reward's going to work,

813
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: fits Gibbons, what now, I think I'm just gonna quit

814
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: because the reward may not work.

815
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: No, you know, we can't quit. Obviously, the FBI, I believe,

816
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: has to continue this search in that woods. You know,

817
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 3: I think there's a very good chance that she is

818
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 3: out there and that there are more questions to be

819
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 3: filled in. With that cell phone, I'd like to know

820
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 3: what's going on with that with Grandpa's cell phone.

821
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: Christie rand for once in my life. I disagree with

822
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: fitz Gibbons. I don't think she's in those woods because

823
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 2: if canines sit dogs, good ever, dogs can't find her.

824
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 1: I don't think she's there.

825
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 2: Christy, what do you think you've been the one out

826
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: in the woods looking for her.

827
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 9: I think there's a possibility that none of us knew

828
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 9: that we do not know when Stephanie actually disappeared, which

829
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,800
Speaker 9: would mean we could have had not only the twenty

830
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,759
Speaker 9: four hours missing of time to be looking for her,

831
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 9: but as many as two full days before the twenty

832
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 9: third I think they had a lot of time. Whatever

833
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 9: happened to Stephanie, if she is in the woods, it

834
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 9: is it's not directly behind her home and was placed somewhere.

835
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 9: I believe an accident or something may have happened, But no,

836
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 9: I don't believe she's directly behind the home. I don't

837
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 9: think she just walked into the woods and got lost.

838
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 9: I'd like to hope that the search was thorough enough

839
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 9: that if she had walked in the woods and was

840
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 9: injured within a mile or so of her home, that

841
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 9: someone would have found something in those first initial large searches,

842
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 9: and there was nothing.

843
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 6: Chris Carson.

844
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: You are the neighbor of the damn On family. You

845
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 2: know these little girls, Chris. One thing that's very disturbing

846
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: to me is that this could have been avoided. I

847
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 2: don't know what neighbor called Child Protective Services, but somebody

848
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: did call and CPS came out, Chris Carson, and did nothing.

849
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: They saw the girls living in these horrible conditions and

850
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: did nothing.

851
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,399
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was Dick Hilly and I we definitely did

852
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 7: not call CPS. Other folks in and our little white

853
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 7: neighborhood here had because of what I mean conditions. I

854
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,799
Speaker 7: mean sometimes it'd be thirty below zero living in that year,

855
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 7: so they would call and try to get in kind

856
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 7: of like a wellness check. And the response we go

857
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 7: from DHHS or CPS was oh, we.

858
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 8: Don't have any volume right now available to go check.

859
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 7: And this is a thirty below zero and they refuse

860
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 7: to even send somebody out here.

861
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 2: CPS, Child Protective Services at it again, and now Stephanie

862
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: is gone. If you know or think you know anything

863
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: about missing Stephanie damn Ron, It's not over yet, please

864
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: call Mainstay Police. Eight hundred ninety two four two two

865
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: sixty one repeat eight hundred ninety two four two two

866
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 2: sixty one or eight hundred two two five five three

867
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 2: two four eight hundred two two five five three two

868
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: four there is a fifteen thousand dollars reward, and tonight,

869
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: when we remember American heroes, I want to remember and

870
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 2: honor people that come forward, people that have the backbone,

871
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: the bravery, the courage to come forward and try in

872
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: their own way to save children that are being abused,

873
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: that are being mistreated, that are suffering. Those are my

874
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: heroes tonight, and I ask you all to please help

875
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 2: us find the truth about Stephanie Damron. Thank you to

876
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: our guests for coming forward tonight. Thank you to Chris

877
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 2: Carson and Christy Rand for speaking out on behalf of

878
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 2: this little girl who has no other voice for her. Again,

879
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 2: no one has been named a suspect, no one has

880
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 2: been named a person of interest. As we wait for

881
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: justice too unfold, we remember an American hero, Officer Darren

882
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: Burk's Dallas PD survived by his grieving mother Cheri. American

883
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 2: hero Officer Darren Burks. Rest in peace, Officer Fancy Grace,

884
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 2: Goodbye friend,