WEBVTT - #210 - Blanco Brown on Original Title of “The Git Up” + Meeting Tim McGraw for the First Time + Being Discovered at 7 Years Old 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.680 M. Welcome to episode Blanco Brown. The first time I 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:06.080 met you was at the house where the house Now, 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.840 first I met the house whenever I mean, I mean 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:12.440 that seems like ages ago. Man, it went the alone 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.240 go with time to pay my face to me, that 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.480 seems like ages ago. So this is how and then 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:19.680 I want to get under your story. But this how 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:21.920 I found you, much like anyone else. I was just 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:24.880 on YouTube and it was like videos you may know, 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.440 and I was like, well, this this is interesting. Guys 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.680 out from a trailer doing a dance. I could probably 0:00:31.680 --> 0:00:35.280 do that. And so then I watched the video of 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.560 you and Laney, who, by the way, that video actually 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.839 brought her an eye to be close. And so I 0:00:41.920 --> 0:00:44.680 was like Laney, I said, Laney, can you come and 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:46.400 teach me how to do this dance? And she goes, 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:49.520 I'll just call Blanco. Next thing you know, you're driving 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:51.879 up with shooting back at the pool. You pushed me 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:54.280 in the pool. We got ten million viewers on ours. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:57.920 You got like a billion on your man and they 0:00:57.920 --> 0:00:59.920 get up as as blown up. Let me play at 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:06.120 it to get up first. Here it isn't you have 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:09.600 dance dance this thing? Do you think over five thousand times. 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.640 I don't even count. You're doing your sleep now. I 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:18.280 hadn't done it a lot of times your whole life. 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:20.320 You're gonna have to do it right. Yeah, it ain't 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:22.920 gonna ever go nowhere. It's gonna be a part of 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.320 my journey. You know, you're about the only guy I 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.800 look at right now and go I relate because I'm 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.800 traveling like crazy, trying to eat, trying to work. Oh yeah, 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:34.039 and I see last night. I saw you Sunday at 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:36.720 the Titans game singing the national anthem, and then you 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.920 were doing the dance in the end zone, and then 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.200 I see you at the World Series last night, and 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.560 then you're back here tonight. You're you're hitting hard. Man. 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:48.440 I'm telling you, I couldn't turn down them tickets. I 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:51.080 was like, this is an experience I've always wanted to 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.680 go to one, and this is bucket list. What's the 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.320 last six months been like for you? Uh? Non stop, busy, busy. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:03.920 I mean I haven't been in Atlanta longer than three 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:08.920 days at a time, none stop. And are are you 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.799 in a mix of so appreciative but also so tired 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:13.440 and just going? Man? I can't wait for the holidays. 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:19.679 I mean not even that I'm tired, um holidays. I 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:24.280 may be working doing a holiday. We're gonna talk about 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.040 a couple of things. We'll talk about the album, which 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:28.680 it's out. I want to do a little bit about 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:31.919 you first. And your real name is where Blanco Brown 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.160 comes from, because I neither wanted those are in your 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:37.080 real life. I also used a pseudonym, so Blanco Brown 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.160 is from what people used call me ben in Blanco 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:45.360 from the Bronx. But I'm from Atlanta. Um, my real 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.600 name is Benny and Brown. I dedicated Brown to my 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:53.720 grandfather who was adopted. UM, and that was our original 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:56.560 last name. So that's how you got Blanco Brown. And 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:57.919 so you don't want to go by how do you 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:04.480 say your name? Benny? Benny Benny Yeah, Amy Amy? Are 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:06.920 there two other Benny Amy's ahead of you? Yeah, my 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:11.480 granddad and my dad. My granddad passed and so you 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:16.840 were like, Benny Amy, that's not a stage name because 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:18.679 I didn't use mine. My real name is Bobby. My 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:20.480 my real last name is Bobby Est. And I was like, 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.600 dang name. Yeah, I mean really, people started calling me 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.840 blanco and being calling me blanco for so long that. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:30.560 That's what everybody called me in you know, in Atlanta, 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:34.880 l A, New York, it was just Blanco. You grew 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:36.200 up in Atlanta, but you have spent a lot of 0:03:36.240 --> 0:03:38.920 time like in like rural parts of Georgia too, in 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.720 the country. Uh, during the summertime, I would go to 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:44.880 the country, but the Gioga which is Taylor County, and 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:47.880 I spent that time with my bunts and cousins and 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.080 family down there and learned the other side of the world. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:53.680 And so growing up for you kind of talk to me, 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:55.160 talk to me about what it was like growing up 0:03:55.160 --> 0:04:01.280 at like age ten, eleven, twelve years old. Um man, 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:03.920 I mean it was a lot going on in the world. 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.760 I hadn't seen so much by then and had been 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:12.000 through so much by then. Um, but I think I 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.920 was a sweet kid. You know, I was real chill. 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:20.120 You didn't really know my circumstances. Um, I just didn't 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:25.200 enjoy life. But even then, there was a lot of 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:29.880 rehearsals and uh, singing that talent shows, trying to win 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.520 some money back and then you know, help mom out. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:40.640 Um yeah, I mean my childhood it's always been about music. 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.400 Let's talking a couple of things. I wanna talking about. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.560 We'll get to the like the childhood performing because I'm 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:47.440 interested in that where that all started with you. But 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:49.799 you talk about your circumstances. Talk about that for a second, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.200 because I'm not super familiar with your circumstances, Like what 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:57.320 you grew up in. Oh, I mean three bedroom apartment, 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:06.880 brick walls inside out, no soft landing, hard concrete floors. Um, 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:11.840 three families in one three bedroom apartment. It was me, 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:18.359 my aunt, my cousins. Uh. I mean my grandmother had 0:05:18.960 --> 0:05:23.400 my other aunt older, so she was around my age 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:28.039 older hunt mother. I mean like it was deep and 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.880 you know, violence not in the household, but outside the household, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:41.360 like every day. I mean gun shots and fights and 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:46.600 the better things to be remembered, uh, opening fire fire 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:50.440 hydrants and just being in front of the water with 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:54.839 everybody playing freeze cups. And I was, you know, I 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.320 was the type of person when I got the freeze cup, 0:05:57.320 --> 0:05:58.599 I ain't like to eat it from the top. I 0:05:58.600 --> 0:06:01.520 turned it on the back on the bottom. That was 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.760 the soft, good, sweet part of the freeze cup. And 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:09.839 um man, I mean the lightning bugs, catching the lightning 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.679 bugs playing not not zoom where you go to somebody 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:17.520 house you're not gonna do and you run um once 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.760 you through red, Like I mean, like the the goose, 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.599 how didn't go Seek? How didn't go get? I mean 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:29.440 like that was my childhood and those are the memories 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.400 and they're like I mean, just talking about them and 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:36.480 thinking about them, it's it's still up a moment in 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.520 the space I would do all over just the way 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.240 it was. It's funny you say that, because I grew 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:43.080 up a poverty kid too. I'm pretty proud of it 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:45.880 because and I say that often. It's funny that you 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.920 say that like I used to. I used to go, 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:51.280 I'm very resentful that I had to grow up and 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:53.880 eat a meal a day, hopefully, or I grew up 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:56.279 on food stamps or welfare. I used to be really resentful, 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:58.479 But as I got older, I started to go, man, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:07:00.760 I'm so strong from that, and I also know what 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.520 it's like, so I can help other people now, because 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.960 I think there are so few of us that understand 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.200 and can do something about it. And so it sounds 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:12.800 like as you're telling your story and I'm watching on, oh, 0:07:12.840 --> 0:07:16.360 I get that. I understand that. And when you say 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:21.520 you wouldn't change anything about it. I wouldn't either, man, 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.200 because as we rise, we're able to help others, like 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:29.240 others helped us at some point. Yeah, and you talk 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:31.239 about my grandma raised me, adopt me for a while, 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:35.360 and so your grandparents are a big part of your life. Um, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:41.400 my grandmother's. My granddad was like never really around, and um, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.000 as I got older, I could have spent more time 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.600 with him, but I just didn't. And then when he passed, 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:50.720 it was the most hurtful thing in the world, and 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:54.400 I just went back to that moment of Man, I 0:07:54.400 --> 0:08:01.000 could have changed that situation on my own. I don't 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:02.560 know if he didn't want to be around, if it 0:08:02.640 --> 0:08:04.840 was something that was going on within the family, you 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.080 know what I'm saying. I don't really know the details 0:08:08.160 --> 0:08:12.720 of it, just know that I've badly seen him. When 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.480 all of you guys are in an apartment, I get 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:17.240 that too a little. All my cousins I used to live, 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.720 you just live where you can live, right, Like everybody's 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.240 trying to to to have enough money to pay rent. 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:25.080 Sometimes you got money to pay rents. You all moved together. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:26.360 A bunch of us live in the trailer for a while. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:28.720 A bunch of us an apartment, So like, I get 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.000 that and also know me, I was the kid in 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.320 the group that was I'm gonna get out and I'm 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.679 gonna use education like that was my thing. It sounds 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:37.400 like yours was music. Sound like you were doing music 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.680 way early. Yeah. Then my first deal and I was seven. 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:44.360 You what? Yeah, my first deal when I was seven 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.800 years old? And how did that come about? And how 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.720 did you get to a place where someone could see 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.760 you at seven to go? I like that, kid, man, 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:56.320 that's a good question. I never really got the answer. 0:08:56.360 --> 0:08:59.520 I never asked that question. I just know that we 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:06.240 were we're recording and doing records like just like that. 0:09:06.280 --> 0:09:11.199 I just remember who it's seven years old discovers you. Um. 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:14.240 It was New Star Records guy by the name of 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:19.600 Anthony Richardson. Um. And I don't know if he discovered us, 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.120 if somebody took us to him, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.600 I really can't remember how it happened. You're seven years old? Yeah, 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:31.840 I just know we were singing, recording, practicing, going to school. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.199 Who's we by the way, me and my brothers? Okay, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.199 so were you guys like in a singing group and 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:39.199 a group? How many were there called times three because 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.480 it was three of us, all brothers, and it was 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:46.880 just the X with depostrophe S three. I still got 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.760 the pictures. Now, where were you in the age group 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.160 of the three brothers? Um, I'm in the middle, okay, 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.160 And so you got with the goal of what I know, 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:58.160 you're only seven. But looking back, were they trying to 0:09:58.200 --> 0:10:01.040 break you guys? As like the JA five? But the 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.319 X the three like what I think more so like 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:09.760 another bad creation meets some singing brothers because we were 0:10:09.880 --> 0:10:13.000 we were like really singing, like you know what I'm saying. 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:16.880 But Jackson five, it was that would have been hard 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:20.880 to Jason five laden there. Man, they weren't legendary tal 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.960 after they were legendary though, Like they had to even 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.080 start at Yeah, what I'm just saying. Like by time 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:29.400 we were the eight, they were already like Jackson five 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.839 ABC is a good like another bad creation? All those 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:36.760 groups were around that time too. We're all you guys 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:38.600 just singing or you guys doing hip hop stuff too, 0:10:39.240 --> 0:10:41.480 just singing. And I was the rapper in the group, 0:10:42.240 --> 0:10:44.559 so wait where are you rapping? I was like the 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:52.360 the uh, but it's from immature who I was did 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:59.120 like the sexes talking. I did the sexest talking eight. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.199 I'm telling you, yeah, girl, you know all this time 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:08.640 I've been playing around. I mean like, yeah, I've been 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.800 playing with my g I Joe's and POGs Girl, and 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.680 I've been thinking about you. I know, I'm nine, man, 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.960 that is hilarious. I know I'm a third grade girl, 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:19.559 but I'm drinking milk. Yeah. I mean so that's kind 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:25.000 of how you know, um growing up I was I 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:28.240 didn't have the confidence to sing, so they would give 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.959 me the parts where I was more like mellow talking, 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:36.560 kind of rapping kind of singing. I didn't find my 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:41.600 singing voice until like fifteen sixteen. So you're fifteen sixty. 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:44.160 Are you still in school? Yeah? Definitely, okayt you graduate 0:11:44.200 --> 0:11:46.840 high school? Ye? Okay. So you're singing all the way 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.400 through high school all the way? Are you known as 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.480 that kid? The singing kid? In high school? Like we're 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.600 all known as something? I was a nerd. I wasn't 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:55.920 known as the singer. Okay. So you're singing all the 0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:58.520 way through and as you go through up until about 0:11:58.520 --> 0:12:02.680 twelfth grade at that point, is your biggest break before 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.800 you graduate high school? Uh? I mean we met with 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:08.960 a guy named Kada Masson Bird. He was over at 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:12.480 Motown and we were about to do a deal. Met 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:17.880 him at the Intercontinental UH in Buckhead, right by Lenny Small. 0:12:19.480 --> 0:12:21.400 He looked me and my brothers and my mother in 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:24.320 the face said, y'all don't have no worries, Mama. They've 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.880 benna be able to take care of everything. We're gonna sign. 0:12:29.679 --> 0:12:33.520 We didn't get signed, like two weeks later, found out 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:37.760 he was no longer with Motown. That was one of 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.200 the moments that was like a huge moment. And then 0:12:41.000 --> 0:12:42.480 do you think he lied to you or do you 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.640 think he got fired in the process of signing you. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:48.720 I don't know if he got fired, if he just 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:52.200 something happened the way he just left. Um, but I 0:12:52.320 --> 0:12:57.559 just know the deal didn't happen, right And uh after 0:12:57.600 --> 0:13:01.720 that Outcast we were doing a deal with Outcasts, and 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.439 you know they was you know, uh at that time 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.800 in my life, they was just a dope group. It 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:13.240 was from Atlanta, like guys from home. Um, and I 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:16.320 remember me with them, and they wanted to sign my 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:21.079 younger brother to a solo deal. So he's gonna do 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.200 a solo deal. And then you know, me and my 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:26.520 older brothers were like, okay, cool, let's that would be 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.240 fine once she get all the way a way he 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.400 needed to beat and then he'd bring us home. And 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:34.440 then that didn't go the way we planned it either, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:37.200 you know what I'm saying. They send up signing him. Ah, 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.679 he ended up signing to a whole another deal and 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.600 he came out with a song or a few songs. 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:48.560 And yeah, I mean when you meet with outcasts, do 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:52.000 you actually meet with Andre and Big Boy like the 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:53.559 other guys who show up and they're like, all right, 0:13:53.559 --> 0:13:55.360 this is the plan. So they were doing things outside 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.960 about cast away early even before they blew up. They 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.840 were they were purple label and gonna. My dad actually 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:05.160 just text me that picture like two days ago on 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.800 my phone, like of us in the same room with 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.880 him with our shirts on, taking pictures with him. Yeah, 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.839 so that didn't work out. You graduate high school? Yeah, 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.559 and what's the plan then for you musically? Because high 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:20.920 school it's probably big deal to graduate high school? What's 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.160 from me? Well, my whole my whole life. I was told, 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:28.520 you know, um, stick to my art. I went to 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.200 school for art. I got a basket of fine arts 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:34.160 and so we're not to college yet though. Yeah. From 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.240 high school to college. Okay, So then you decided to 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:37.880 go to school where you're gonna go to school? Where 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:39.520 did you go to school? I went to a I 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.280 U okay? And your thought when you go to college 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:48.680 is blank, finished college or learn music or make friends? 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:53.640 Like really my thought what college was be the person 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.640 that went to college. And if that don't work out, 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.520 just know that music is always number one either way. 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.000 I went down just there's you know, pretty much just 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.880 said I had a degree. And what you study in school? 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:12.320 All right? So you study art, but you're doing music. Okay, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:13.960 so you studying what does it? What do you just 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.000 study art? Or what does that mean? I mean you 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:21.960 go through all like art theory and like paintings, like sculptures, 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.320 like the like, not even music, like you're a whole 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.880 different track. Yep, I did. I did all that, like 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:31.040 sculpturing and websites from dream weave it to mag went 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.120 three D and I do all that so even like 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:35.800 some digital art stuff too. And then if you were 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.760 to have let's just journey off a bit and let's 0:15:38.760 --> 0:15:41.320 say the music stuff, you end up getting an art degree. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:42.920 If you were to pursue that. What would you have 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.720 done in art? Oh? Man, you know cartoon network or 0:15:46.720 --> 0:15:49.840 something some voice over us with some animations. I can 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.920 talk just about like anything, and you can. Yeah, let's 0:15:53.960 --> 0:16:02.120 just squirrel, just a squirrel, pretty good? That duck one warm? Okay, 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.560 let's do one more. That doesn't That isn't an easy one. 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.200 How about a platypus, because we have no idea what 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:15.480 a platypus sounds like. I don't know, maybe, but earnestly 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.360 um music was always the forefront, but I didn't have 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:23.960 confidence to do it. I didn't have the confidence in myself. 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.880 So I just wanted to figure out how to be 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:30.520 a part of it. I started engineering straight out of college. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:32.720 I started engineering so like the sound engineering, so for 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.560 if you're listening right now, what that is is you're 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.680 at a computer and you're basically adjusting the levels of everything, 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:39.160 like to break it down like a five years old. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.040 So you're you're engineering music. Where do you learn those 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.800 skills to be a music engineer? Uh? One of my 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.680 homies named Darryl showed me how to use the controls, 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:53.080 and I started messing around with it, and then next 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:57.920 thing you know, I was engineering recording for the Wild 0:16:57.960 --> 0:17:02.920 Gospel compilations and stuff. Uh deep set. So I bet 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.159 self taught. Yeah, your friend just said here, there's the 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:07.400 kind of how to do it. Then you just took 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.920 it in digit thing. He gave me a um a 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:14.280 layout template. I started building from that, and then I 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.120 came up my own template and I just started making 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:20.040 money doing it. So it was just like one of 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.440 those situations. They kind of filling my lap and I 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:25.720 was just like, Okay, I get to start building relationships 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:28.320 with people and then hopefully they listened to some of 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.639 my writing one day because I was always writing. You 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.240 know what I'm saying, note here, note there. I was 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.159 a professional haiku writer. Can't nobody outright me in the 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.720 haiku format. You know what I'm saying? Wait, you got 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.480 you didn't You got paid right of haiku? No? No, no, 0:17:43.560 --> 0:17:47.240 because if there was no money, I know it ain't 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:48.800 no money. And I'm just saying it was a good 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:51.880 That was a good start. I got the creative block 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:58.600 going um and I just built from there. After that, 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:02.399 I was like vocal reducing for free, but didn't know 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:05.000 that you can get paid more to vocal reduced. Thank you, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.320 we're getting paid to engineering, said that all day. Why 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.040 are somebody to tell you what to do and what 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.199 not to do? What's the difference in vocal producing and 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:16.040 engineering engineering. I'm him buttons, I'm copying page and I'm 0:18:16.080 --> 0:18:20.640 moving stuff vocal reduction. I'm telling the artist what't notes 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.600 to hit, how to take the song to the next level. 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.919 It needs a harmony. Here, go low, here, lead this blank, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:31.320 it's it's it's producing. So I found the love and 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:35.080 that and realize I can get paid more in two hours. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.240 They're sending in the studio for sixteen now. Just about 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.600 vocal producing. So I said, I was never engineering no more. 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.560 And you were good at it, like you felt like 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:47.000 you you kind of found your calling vocal producing. Yeah, 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.080 I was great at it. So who was one of 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.600 the first artists to come to you and go I'd 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.120 like for you to vocal produce me. And you're like, wow, 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.240 I'm actually moving up, Like somebody who's got some real 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:59.200 money on them is actually asking me to help them. Oh, 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:03.080 Christine and Milly, Yeah was the first, like Dippelow like 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.040 that just for those listening to Christian Millian thinks diplop songs. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:09.600 Like I was doing her stuff, and then I went 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:13.800 from her stuff to um, Kiki Palmer. Then I wore 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.080 him dad to like Selina Johnson. And so does words 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:19.679 start to spread then, like if you work with someone 0:19:19.800 --> 0:19:23.160 and and Christie Milian goes, he's great and she chucking 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:24.879 her producers the producer talking, they're like, you know you 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.320 get shoulda blanco? Is that kind of how your word 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.040 came in? That's how it came in? And then before 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:36.120 you know it, I was voke reducing Monica and uh, 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:41.320 I mean different people. Uh Fergie, yeah, Fergie. Uh. I 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:46.560 did Chris Brown stuff, um, Childish Gumbano and Lloyd like 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:50.280 different records. All that just came all in one nutshell. 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:52.840 They came at me fast. Some of the stuff that 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.159 I went vocal reducing, I did the vocal reduction. I 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.280 mean I did the vocal arrangements on them, and they 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:01.280 were my backgrounds that I was singing for these records 0:20:01.280 --> 0:20:04.160 that they didn't want to replace, so they paid me 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.399 and they just put you on the record. So you 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:10.639 were singing it as an example track, but it was 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:12.639 so good they said, hey, we're just gonna put this 0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.720 on the record. So not only you're producing now you're 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:24.840 actively on background vocals too, Yeah, by mistake and um Man, 0:20:24.920 --> 0:20:36.120 I mean you can't really guys work. So who did 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.359 you work with where you go wow? Like that is 0:20:39.400 --> 0:20:43.760 a special vocalist? I mean plenty of dose. But who 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.600 comes to mind first thing where you you're in a 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.440 studio with them. We just talked about a big list 0:20:47.440 --> 0:20:51.560 of names. He trying to get me in Trouble, No trouble. 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:55.040 I'm looking for a good one where you walk in 0:20:55.480 --> 0:20:57.520 and you're just not bad, but one where it's just 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.840 like oh wow, like your eyes open, because everybody's good 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.800 at the major league level, everybody's good. Man. There's so 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:06.480 many great vocalists, you know, you know who blew you 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.359 away blackout where you're like wow, it's a lot of 0:21:09.400 --> 0:21:13.760 great ones. Fergie, it was a lot of great ones. Um, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:15.600 I mean it still is a lot of great ones. 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.520 I mean from Monica to Ki going Monica that was 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:23.080 the first one you mentioned, Monica Special. It's a lot 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:28.160 of special ones, you know. Hey, diplomatic ancer, how did 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.920 you work with Kane Brown? Uh? A producer that I 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.080 met and I was doing some Voger production for some 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:38.600 other artists that he was working with. Um Kane was 0:21:38.640 --> 0:21:42.960 working with him, and he become the studio every day 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:46.240 and like he was like, I want this guy to 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.560 Voger produce me. I like, what do you do? And 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:51.679 we got in the studio and I started them are 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.720 records for him by singing them, and he would get 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.880 in the booth and just put this thing on and 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:02.680 we just built like I mean, it's some records that 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.760 note the world I haven't heard yet. I mean we 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:11.199 did a good eight nine records. Yeah that he's just 0:22:11.200 --> 0:22:14.120 sitting on right now. Yeah, they just sit there. They 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:17.639 jamming too. I've heard about people and I talked to 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:22.360 John Mayor about this where people can see colors when 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:24.480 they hear music, And even John Mayer said he wasn't 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.720 so advanced, and he's very advanced musically, but he's like, 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.720 I don't I can't see colors. Like I don't have that. 0:22:29.280 --> 0:22:31.360 But do you have that where you can hear colors, 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:35.160 see colors from music like a certain note? Yeah, definitely, 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:38.720 I see him colors their shapes. Talk to me about 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:41.440 that for a second. How does that work? I don't 0:22:41.480 --> 0:22:45.120