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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, as promised, welcome back to Quest Loft Supreme.
Speaker 1: To our second part of our conversation with the prolific
Speaker 1: Masterful Rizza aka Prince Raqem, the Abbot, Bobby Digital, Bobby Steeles,
Speaker 1: the Scientist, Prince de Light, Prince Dynamite was exact exact. Allah,
Speaker 1: what's up brother?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 3: Says simple lessings, Thanks for inviting me back.
Speaker 1: I have to tell you that, you know, when they
Speaker 1: initially told me that you were coming out to do
Speaker 1: the back Mud project, just based on the title alone,
Speaker 1: I didn't know what to expect. And for those who
Speaker 1: don't know it's out now. I mean this is as
Speaker 1: straight ahead as classical music as I've heard it. I
Speaker 1: knew it his classical music, but I thought it would
Speaker 1: be rizified, but he kind of went straight ahead with it.
Speaker 1: Can you give me the basic genesis of how this
Speaker 1: project came to be?
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I mean it started from finding one
Speaker 2: of my old lyrical notebooks during the pandemic, like a
Speaker 2: notebook to have my lyrics from the age of like
Speaker 2: fourteen to nineteen, and in that book is like all
Speaker 2: types of stories and ideas of being younger, first time, smoking, drinking, sex,
Speaker 2: et cetera. And certain lyrics in there. You know, back
Speaker 2: in those days there's writing three page lyrics, so certain
Speaker 2: lyrics had these long stories and these ideas, and I
Speaker 2: was like, I should record these lyrics and write music
Speaker 2: to it. You know, I'm busy doing my TV show,
Speaker 2: I'm doing post and that, so my brain is in
Speaker 2: composer mode. And I said, I want to actually try
Speaker 2: to write an opera or something with these lyrics. And
Speaker 2: as I started doing it, first of all, somebody corrected me.
Speaker 2: It was a guy named Evanberg. It was like, operas
Speaker 2: are usually an Italian wizzard, so I think you're gonna
Speaker 2: be able to do that. So okay, cool, he said,
Speaker 2: but you know ballet or sweet so like the Nutcracker
Speaker 2: or Peter and the Wolf, that type of thing. And
Speaker 2: so I said, okay, let me take that approach, and
Speaker 2: then I did. But when I started writing the music
Speaker 2: or playing music and composing it, it all started to
Speaker 2: not need lyrics. It started to not be something that
Speaker 2: would just be a continuation of what I'm known for,
Speaker 2: that to show an evolution of of of my creative
Speaker 2: mind and yet still to me have the story and
Speaker 2: the spirit of what I was trying to say in
Speaker 2: the music. You know what I mean. She said something
Speaker 2: that you're a scientist or history and all that. But
Speaker 2: I'm gonna correct you on one thing you said. It
Speaker 2: wasn't rizzified. But if you actually take a listen right,
Speaker 2: and you will hear the staccatoists of Triumph burn a
Speaker 2: lotus arriving you're here, like the Bobby Digital like on
Speaker 2: the song the type of track about it do much
Speaker 2: is actually saying here he comes Bobby Digital. So it's
Speaker 2: like the cats of Howard Ryan or the cats of
Speaker 2: the vibe that I bring, like MCing shows up in
Speaker 2: some of the melody lines and then the keys of
Speaker 2: which a lot of my tracks come out in, right,
Speaker 2: you know, or the sample heroes like you know Marcone
Speaker 2: a hero. You know, it's one of my heroes. Quincy
Speaker 2: Jones of course, rest in peace, Isaac Hayes, like a
Speaker 2: lot of my heroes, and how they would do something,
Speaker 2: you know, they did it with soul and with rhythm
Speaker 2: right music right. I removed all all the rhythm, all
Speaker 2: the percussion, all the lyricism, and then left that as
Speaker 2: the ballet.
Speaker 1: So well when I'm at Riz, like for me your
Speaker 1: relationship would this chords sort of classing I mean some
Speaker 1: like knowledge God, which to me, it's the type of
Speaker 1: composition that I guess the term is uh with synesthesia,
Speaker 1: like where you could see, like you can visualize, you
Speaker 1: can see the notes you paint such these pictures with
Speaker 1: dissonance minimalism. That that's what I thought. We're based on
Speaker 1: the title the Ballet through Mud. But this isn't the
Speaker 1: first time that you've done kind of full circle, fully
Speaker 1: realized thing like, if anything, I mean you're in full
Speaker 1: renaissance move like be it, you know, directing your movies,
Speaker 1: your various projects that you've done with other artists and whatnot.
Speaker 1: If anything, I think you're probably the most prolific figure
Speaker 1: that we have as far as someone actively putting creative
Speaker 1: prints and almost in every creative medium. For you, though,
Speaker 1: was the story that you wanted to convey with Bellion.
Speaker 2: Well, one of the lyrics that it started with, right,
Speaker 2: it's called Joe was a nerd, right and Uh in
Speaker 2: that lyric, I could do a few bars of the lyric. Right.
Speaker 2: I don't think I did it last time. I was here,
Speaker 2: but you didn't know.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Joe was a nerd, right, so part in
Speaker 3: the cadence and part in the lack.
Speaker 2: Of MC love.
Speaker 1: Apologize.
Speaker 3: It starts off like a Sue was this girl who
Speaker 3: was really quite fly.
Speaker 2: Brad was real cool when he was her guy. Lisa
Speaker 2: was freaky, she loved to have sex. Her brother name
Speaker 2: was Dexter, but they called him Decks. His sister name
Speaker 2: was Monica, and she was a verge. Joe was just
Speaker 2: their friend and he was a nerd. Brad bought the beer,
Speaker 2: Shoe bought the smoke. Lisa had sheets Decks that had coke, but.
Speaker 3: Joe was the type who didn't get high, nor did Monica.
Speaker 3: She was willing to try, so Brad did a joint, passed.
Speaker 2: It that Joe said, come on, man smoking and Joe said, no,
Speaker 2: what's wrong? Are you scared? Was asked by Sue or
Speaker 2: you was just a nerd? Joe said that's not true.
Speaker 2: Monica said come on, just have a taste, and she
Speaker 2: puffed on the joint due to smoke in his face.
Speaker 2: Now on Monica, Joe had a crush. He didn't wanted
Speaker 2: to smoke the weed, but felt that he must and
Speaker 2: like many we know, love made him a fool, so
Speaker 2: he pulled on the joint to prove he was cool.
Speaker 2: At Lista was like, yo, forget about Joe. They said, yo, decks,
Speaker 2: where the heck is the blow? He pulled out two grams,
Speaker 2: said it's all that I bought, but it's more than
Speaker 2: enough that they proceeded to snort. Now, at this time,
Speaker 2: Joe had finished three beers and Brad was like, here,
Speaker 2: have another, you queer, and Joe was like no, while
Speaker 2: holding his stomach, and while face said Monica, he saiddenly vomit.
Speaker 2: She sed, oh my god, shit, how observed, and every
Speaker 2: want to laugh and said, Joe is a nerd. Joe
Speaker 2: is a nerd. Joe was a nerd. Joe brought embarrassed,
Speaker 2: so he did the bird. They chased him. He ran
Speaker 2: inside of old shack, and then was this sound, the
Speaker 2: crashing glass. It was dark inside, so Brad had to
Speaker 2: get a light and they checked to see it. Jee's
Speaker 2: all right. But when they found them, he had quarts
Speaker 2: of red blud spitting from his head. And Monica said,
Speaker 2: oh my god, Jorvia's dad and he all started to
Speaker 2: run and never mentioned this incident again to anyone.
Speaker 1: So so anyway, I'm amazed at anyone that's able to
Speaker 1: sort of retain that amount of text in their heads.
Speaker 1: You when did you write this year?
Speaker 4: I probably was sixteen, So yeah, wow, man, Okay, so
Speaker 4: you actually quoted a good friend of mine, Jazzy Jeff,
Speaker 4: when Jeff once famously said a quote to like leave
Speaker 4: nothing behind.
Speaker 1: A lot of our hip hop generation we know that
Speaker 1: like a figure like a Tupac leaves earth. But has
Speaker 1: you know, so much product left over? Like Prince has
Speaker 1: over five thousand songs in his arsenal. But for you,
Speaker 1: you said that you subscribe to the theory that you know,
Speaker 1: get it all out, leave nothing behind, like just on
Speaker 1: a daily for now, assuming that you're not in the
Speaker 1: fight or flight hustle mentality that you were back in
Speaker 1: ninety two ninety three when you were putting the clan together,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to shoot your shot. How is just
Speaker 1: your daily creative muscles flowing at this stage.
Speaker 3: It's like creativity is the energy it's to flow.
Speaker 2: It's it's almost like we're breathing in a way right
Speaker 2: in the sense of it's just seen you right, even
Speaker 2: how we talk.
Speaker 3: It's just it's a creative cadence or a flow to that.
Speaker 2: So for me, you know, to say that, how do
Speaker 2: I take that energy and put it into a structure
Speaker 2: that's to say, right, mm hmm. Yeah. Daily, you know
Speaker 2: I make I'm either making music or writing down, you know,
Speaker 2: ideas for a film, or writing lyrics or or making beats.
Speaker 2: It's like I never stopped treating. It's like I can't
Speaker 2: stop treating. To be quite frank with you, like like
Speaker 2: you know, like not to get too personal here, but
Speaker 2: you know, my wife, she made a joke. So the
Speaker 2: god from Supreme he rebuild it. One day I saw
Speaker 2: him on Instagram and he was talking to He kind
Speaker 2: of quoted me or something. But he came to my
Speaker 2: crib and you know, you know, I was showing on
Speaker 2: no Videl and showing in my crib. But I don't
Speaker 2: know what was what got U say every room?
Speaker 1: But we right up.
Speaker 2: You know in the bedroom because of my bedroom, I
Speaker 2: have beat machines. I gotta I got my bed and
Speaker 2: I got my piano. You know what I mean to
Speaker 2: my wife, you know she sleeps beside the piano. Just
Speaker 2: say she called that, you know what I mean, She's
Speaker 2: life right, So she went roll with me because that's
Speaker 2: what she's with right, get it right? So what point
Speaker 2: being made. I'm just saying that to say of how
Speaker 2: much that creativity is around me and in me. So
Speaker 2: talking of the Valley through Mud, a lot of it
Speaker 2: was written right in front of my wife when I
Speaker 2: found the book.
Speaker 3: I can tell her, so she became my first audience.
Speaker 2: Right then I'm playing something and she gonna be sitting
Speaker 2: there watching, you know, you know, like I said, started
Speaker 2: doing the pandemic, So she might be watching the news
Speaker 2: and she's watching the news and me scoring or writing
Speaker 2: something to this story I got and I'm scoring her world,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean at the same time, You
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I got it. The creativity is
Speaker 2: like that for me and even for whether it's lyrics.
Speaker 2: I got a phone full of lyrics, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean that? And Jeff gave us some wisdom. He said,
Speaker 2: try to die empty, but it's probably not possible. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's possible for me because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, the book that I'm talking to you about,
Speaker 2: it's four hundred lyrics in that one and I got
Speaker 2: two of them. It's just like if I didn't say
Speaker 2: Joe was a nerd. Nobody's going to hear Joe was
Speaker 2: in nerd except for if he was hanging out with
Speaker 2: me back in high school. Right. So that's just how
Speaker 2: it is, right, But that's the art of growth, art
Speaker 2: of creativity. It evolves right in all of us. And
Speaker 2: at the level that at my level of creativity, it's
Speaker 2: like I understand more about what I what inspired me. Right,
Speaker 2: if you mentioned knowledge Guard, or if you mentioned anything
Speaker 2: from the treatment from the Purple tape, right, it's almost
Speaker 2: like even my experience then was more darker, more gritty,
Speaker 2: more aggressive towards the world, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And not saying that I couldn't get like that anytime.
Speaker 2: And stuff on my feet, right, Like see, I might
Speaker 2: Tyson slap Jake when he stepped on his feet, but
Speaker 2: Jake shond have stepped on his toe in the.
Speaker 1: Ring, right, But oh yeah, woke, come up.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm just saying, give your stuff on his toe
Speaker 2: and then deep right made is that you know that
Speaker 2: energy you're always gonna exist. But we've been blessed to
Speaker 2: put that in our back pocket and put in our
Speaker 2: front pockets. We could wear our creativity, you know, wear
Speaker 2: our cheet wear our positivity. And not to tip this
Speaker 2: to you, but it's just like yo. You know, you
Speaker 2: get get up there every United at at any moment,
Speaker 2: you're gonna you may catch a wave, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You know, thought might go into something. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean? You might You know it ain't
Speaker 2: that be hurt like that. It's just like yo, you might.
Speaker 2: You may start going, you may go. You may bunk
Speaker 2: bunk out the band and the dudes may come in
Speaker 2: on the on the one may come in on the three.
Speaker 2: You may whatever it seems, you can't. You can't get
Speaker 2: rid of it.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And so I'm the same.
Speaker 1: What are your current preferred weapons of choice when it
Speaker 1: comes to beat making? Now?
Speaker 2: I think once again, like all of us, all these
Speaker 2: I got so many toys, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: But but that in Sonic, don't call it.
Speaker 2: They got two of those. I got one in my
Speaker 2: office that uh with the floppy disks, Yeah, with the
Speaker 2: floppy disc.
Speaker 1: I got a dog. To this day, D'Angelo you you
Speaker 1: must have said something to D'Angelo back in ninety five.
Speaker 1: To this day, to this day, still uses that in Sonic.
Speaker 1: And I don't know how he finds floppy discs and
Speaker 1: scuzzies like for for for listeners out there, you know,
Speaker 1: this is this is pre pre pre pre pre pre pre,
Speaker 1: but pre gigabytes, you know what I mean. Like and
Speaker 1: but to this day he still has his original nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety five and sonic and and scuzzy and the floppy discs.
Speaker 1: And he said that, like you said something to him
Speaker 1: about that machine, and that's been his inspiration since then.
Speaker 2: Like you know, it was a powerful machine and it
Speaker 2: still has something you know, I think, Yeah, still got
Speaker 2: a couple a lot of mathematics, you know, a lot
Speaker 2: of thematics.
Speaker 3: Actually did something really cool a few years ago.
Speaker 2: We did an album for The Soccer Continues where he
Speaker 2: had the musicians play and then he just ran everything
Speaker 2: through the ASR and it shit sounded like it sounded adventage,
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. It wasn't totally totally
Speaker 2: bunk bung, but it was over eighty percent closer to
Speaker 2: what the invented sample would be. But it wasn't the sample.
Speaker 2: It was just musicians playing through the ASR. So for
Speaker 2: anybody out there who can't find the ASR, there's another
Speaker 2: thing called the DP four which is Sonic made, which
Speaker 2: has a lot of the effects of the ASR. So
Speaker 2: the ASR had like fifty built in effects that you
Speaker 2: can put your sample to do right Vanderpoles and and
Speaker 2: it would have low pass filters and et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But the DP four was the flagship effects model for it.
Speaker 2: So if you can't find an ASR ten or or
Speaker 2: EPs sixteen plus and you can find a DP four,
Speaker 2: you can actually still get that ASR sound by running
Speaker 2: your new equipment through that. So that's one of the
Speaker 2: share that which the viewers my listenership. And then I'll say,
Speaker 2: right now, for me, I think what MPC did, right,
Speaker 2: I think MPC has for hip hop and for creativity
Speaker 2: mastered the way uh the newer the PC the mp
Speaker 2: But yeah, but it's a software and it's a hardware
Speaker 2: all at once, you know what I mean. And so
Speaker 2: that to me is my favorite piece right now because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day I can put it
Speaker 2: at the center of everything and then have the simple
Speaker 2: no with of how to work with the MPC right,
Speaker 2: and then run all my ship through it without even
Speaker 2: looking at my pro toubs.
Speaker 1: Speaking of leaving empty, what becomes of all the residual
Speaker 1: riser beats that were not used between when you first
Speaker 1: got your machine, and these even dates back to the
Speaker 1: Prince of Queen days of ninety one. What becomes of
Speaker 1: the volumes and volumes of just leftover beats and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Well, for what people will consider, you know, my prime time,
Speaker 2: it's not a lot. Because I had two floods, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's my worst night, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had two of them.
Speaker 3: Though, It's like, how'd you get two?
Speaker 2: Right? And you said left on the floor, Yeah, because
Speaker 2: I'll be thinking decent and the floppy disk being those
Speaker 2: little cases eighty in the case, and you don't mind
Speaker 2: you said it on the floor under the keyboard. I didn't.
Speaker 2: I never expected that to be an issue until it was.
Speaker 2: Until my just was floating, right, And then I build
Speaker 2: my ship differently, and the water can't come from the bottom,
Speaker 2: motherfucker comes from the top. But I laughed at it,
Speaker 2: right because at the end of the day, I had
Speaker 2: a flood right after thirty six chambers, right before we
Speaker 2: get to that. Then I had a flood right after
Speaker 2: Liquid Swords, you know what I mean. And then and
Speaker 2: then I moved to another studio build that up and
Speaker 2: had another water issue then, and that's to run it
Speaker 2: all together.
Speaker 3: Here go the funniest part.
Speaker 2: And while we're filming the Wu Tang series and I'm
Speaker 2: composing the music for it, and it's an episode that
Speaker 2: Malluo van Peebles is directing, which is about the flood
Speaker 2: it cost me that morning, and I'm talking about in
Speaker 2: my Charlie house. Water is coming into my house. We
Speaker 2: got the street line backed up and it's and I
Speaker 2: told him, yo, gee, this ship is real.
Speaker 1: Are you a water signed person or like I'm a cancer.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what that means. I know it's
Speaker 2: a moon, but I don't know if it's water mud.
Speaker 2: But I will say that at the end of the
Speaker 2: day though, it means sometimes you gotta be set. Noah
Speaker 2: had to get in that arc, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: had to close those doors and move.
Speaker 1: So are your archives protected? Now?
Speaker 2: No, not like that. I'm gonna say you didn't learn. No,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no, I don't think you could protect
Speaker 2: what's going to go. That's just my opinion. So I
Speaker 2: might be too philosophical there. But at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, you know you're gonna get it out what
Speaker 2: you get out for the time. You have to get
Speaker 2: to do what you do, and don't be shy to
Speaker 2: get a lot of it out if you can, right.
Speaker 2: I remember Sky was something that ever could that on
Speaker 2: that versus he was like, girl, drop that shit, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So get out what you can.
Speaker 2: But of course some of it, it just existed for
Speaker 2: the moment. It's still in the universe. It's still there
Speaker 2: even if you on even play that track one time,
Speaker 2: it's still captured in that cube of time. But yeah,
Speaker 2: my archivan, I've never been good at that, I said,
Speaker 2: I will say I never really good at archiving.
Speaker 1: I feel you living in the moment. Yeah, I always
Speaker 1: wanted to know what your feelings were of your level
Speaker 1: of soul kind of having two renaissance periods. One could
Speaker 1: say that the quote unquote Chipmunk soul movement like two
Speaker 1: thousand and two thousand and one to two. You know,
Speaker 1: like basically I will say, when just blazing kind of
Speaker 1: with with Justin and and with Kanye as well. But
Speaker 1: also I definitely feel now, especially like post Griselda stuff
Speaker 1: your old drug and you know, rock Manciano your old drug.
Speaker 1: I mean just there's like almost a second wave of it.
Speaker 1: How do you feel that have you ever got the itching?
Speaker 1: And I know, like most creatives don't want to go back,
Speaker 1: They want to push for it, and you're definitely pushing forward.
Speaker 1: But is it a part of you that when you
Speaker 1: hear your ideas still resonating twenty thirty forty years later,
Speaker 1: does that give you the itching to reaching your stax
Speaker 1: records politics, to come back in laces again.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, to be quite honest, it's almost
Speaker 2: like damn, okay, no, seriously, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: It's more like for me, if something happens naturally right.
Speaker 2: Then I'm just gonna do it. But but I won't
Speaker 2: be like if everybody start going shell to Adidas, am
Speaker 2: I gonna throw on those shelteres in that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? One of my blessings in my flaws
Speaker 2: is kind of you know, probably personality thing putty self
Speaker 2: centered on me pretty sure that you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like like I'm mean, you know, like you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Pretty pretty, you know, and and and and strive.
Speaker 2: It's hardly even say it because as I'm older, my
Speaker 2: humbleness is here and my humility is here, and I said,
Speaker 2: all praise is due to a law.
Speaker 3: But I definitely came from that personality.
Speaker 2: Just like you know what I mean, Like like dudes,
Speaker 2: is you know, kind of my humility. But like me said,
Speaker 2: you feel some certain way. It's almost like I'm Bruce Lee. Yo.
Speaker 2: They doing what they doing, like yo, you know this. Look,
Speaker 2: let me let me do a little ego in it.
Speaker 2: They breaking boards and you gotta respect them. They trained
Speaker 2: themselves to break a board. But I'm breaking bricks all right,
Speaker 2: I'm breaking bricks. And so if you want me to
Speaker 2: come back to the gym and break some bricks for you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I'll do that. But I
Speaker 2: don't need to break bricks no more. Right, It's like
Speaker 2: I don't need it for the external. I better now
Speaker 2: be in the internal. So so if we go back
Speaker 2: to the ballet, it's like yo, okay, do that kid, right,
Speaker 2: get it?
Speaker 1: And then you do that.
Speaker 2: Okay, now you're doing that. Cool guess what. Okay you
Speaker 2: did that. Now watch me do virtue OsO shit that
Speaker 2: you can't do because now you got put it into
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars in So that part of me is
Speaker 2: a is a thing so let me say though, but
Speaker 2: it's a but it's flattering too, and it's complementary because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, and I said this
Speaker 2: to Uh, I think I said it's to Kanye doing
Speaker 2: twisted dark fantasy sessions. When I said WHU Tank Forever,
Speaker 2: I wasn't just talking about us as the figures of it.
Speaker 2: I was just talking about to be brought to the game. Yo.
Speaker 2: That energy, man, that energy ain't going nowhere. Y'a somebody
Speaker 2: gonna pick that up. I don't care if you pick
Speaker 2: it up from old Dirty, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: My in my analogy, and this may sound crazy, but
Speaker 2: in my analogy, you know, Dirty helps the South, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Dirty helps another energy expound is
Speaker 2: expand Dirty helps miss the Elliott right in my analogy. Right.
Speaker 2: So it's just like, because I'm seeing him as I'm
Speaker 2: seeing the one artist him as an example, I'm seeing
Speaker 2: that artist able.
Speaker 3: To inspire other artists, you know what I mean, to
Speaker 3: make them.
Speaker 2: Like Buster once said to me, he was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: when he heard his album, they freed his brain, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Freedom? So so you made somebody
Speaker 2: may get that from meth. They may get it from
Speaker 2: ray like briz alday they ripping.
Speaker 3: I love Brizil. They put this shit on. You listen
Speaker 3: to this ship for two hours and.
Speaker 2: Still be and still be zoning in with another joint, right,
Speaker 2: because the catalogue has grown like that. But yeah, but
Speaker 2: do I hear ghosts driven here when it may be
Speaker 2: an unknown MC like is lord indictus of their m
Speaker 2: C who took and who it might whether he did
Speaker 2: it consciously or subconsciously, is able to see that she
Speaker 2: be inspired and then put it back out in a
Speaker 2: different way. And I just and with this. So they say,
Speaker 2: brush Lee is the father of m M A. You
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: He makes G Condo, Right, So G Condos took boxing, fencing, judo,
Speaker 3: ju jitsu, wing, chun cho, a young fat you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean? Hung god, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: He put all that, you know what I'm saying into
Speaker 2: one thing, studying Muhammad Ali and studying Japanese kimbo. Right.
Speaker 2: So point being made is that he's one of the
Speaker 2: first ones that pioneered at But as time goes on,
Speaker 2: maybe somebody else will say, oh, that's the man, like
Speaker 2: the ain't a whiteson man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Or whatever not like that. The bute point being made
Speaker 2: is that so it's flattering. It's a blessing to see
Speaker 2: that that whatever we added to the culture is still
Speaker 2: there and the others are able to find their voice.
Speaker 2: You know. I think Drew did a joint recently with
Speaker 2: with with one of my woul brothers, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. I was with Rock a few months ago,
Speaker 2: just you know, just chilling and he's just like yo,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He's like yo, you know
Speaker 2: at being an abbot. Cause I say this real quick.
Speaker 2: So a habit is the one at the temple. He
Speaker 2: don't fight really, no more like that, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. He's let it throw a little wisdom out now.
Speaker 2: He could fight, though I don't get a twisted now
Speaker 2: the average is staying on one finger, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 3: But he should be past that. He should be a
Speaker 3: spiritual guide an example.
Speaker 2: So for me, going back to the ballet, I'm continuing
Speaker 2: to show us that there is no limitation of the
Speaker 2: art that founded in us, that started as hip hopp
Speaker 2: is our entry into art and culture, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And connect the same entry, connect same energy
Speaker 2: find itself in a classical place where you're sitting there
Speaker 2: and everybody got on a suit and tie and there's
Speaker 2: somebody from our to no nah that's presenting that night.
Speaker 2: Can you sit there and and and and watch a
Speaker 2: film and be like, oh shit, that film was done.
Speaker 2: Like right now, Frank Ocean is about to do his
Speaker 2: first movie. Yo. You know what I'm meaning? Oh that
Speaker 2: shit is wow, Frank Ocean is what is this artist
Speaker 2: who who had this hip hop on be foundation? What
Speaker 2: it's his cinematic expression? Right? I've seen Zoey Kravitz movie
Speaker 2: Blake twice, Right, you watch that one same thing, Like,
Speaker 2: look at this artist evolved right where some actresses will
Speaker 2: never be brave enough to even take that chance. So
Speaker 2: I'm I'm doing that as well in my travels.
Speaker 1: All right, I feel you, but I definitely feel as
Speaker 1: though it's an homage to you and how your you know,
Speaker 1: your styles is influential. But I definitely see the importance
Speaker 1: of taking steps forward and not looking back. But sometimes
Speaker 1: I just get it itching and you know, go back
Speaker 1: to the old neighborhood and have a fish sandwich exactly,
Speaker 1: you know what.
Speaker 3: But like I said, if you get that inch and
Speaker 3: if I get that itch, I do it. You know what,
Speaker 3: there's a couple of joints that's in the that's in
Speaker 3: the oven.
Speaker 2: You know. Sometimes be in the studio or somebody one
Speaker 2: of my little brothers may pop over. Okay, just hit
Speaker 2: play and be called something, and it'd be like and
Speaker 2: is it? It may just stand stay in the studio.
Speaker 2: But there's always something in there, right. And it's like
Speaker 2: I said, when I made beats or make music. No,
Speaker 2: of course, of course there's days where you know I'm digging.
Speaker 2: At our last Vegas show, I bought my MPC right
Speaker 2: because sometime I like to open the show with just
Speaker 2: a lot of eight O eights and stuff. But in
Speaker 2: this particular and I got like fort these joints, but
Speaker 2: in this particular one there's a there's a sample and
Speaker 2: so since we had some downtime, I loaded it and
Speaker 2: it just start hitting play. Uh and scratch was there?
Speaker 2: Deck was that capit It was yo. They was like
Speaker 2: give us that ship.
Speaker 3: It was it was it was sounds and records that
Speaker 3: dudes happened stumbled the poor chet. It wasn't even stack ship.
Speaker 2: It was just you know, whenever you dig, you dig,
Speaker 2: and you you sample it and you hold it right
Speaker 2: but I was like, I told Scratch Show, just come
Speaker 2: and see you how give it you? He ain't come,
Speaker 2: you know, not that I wasn't moving, but if you
Speaker 2: would the guy there within that hour, I'll be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you play with it and do and do what you're
Speaker 2: gonna do with it. Then.
Speaker 1: So I'll ask you in your arsenal, can you name
Speaker 1: five of your favorite creations.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I could do that, but I
Speaker 2: can tell you, like certain ones that that I felt
Speaker 2: that'd be interesting. Let be uh like there's some there's
Speaker 2: always a moment when you feel like there was a boom. Yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah that nobody nobody did that, and they I did
Speaker 2: that and they can't do it and they might can
Speaker 2: never do it. Well maybe they can, especially technology back then.
Speaker 2: So when I did Glaces of Ice, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? Yes, yeah, niggas and niggas can't fuck with me, right,
Speaker 2: I was that feeling of with that track, And it
Speaker 2: took a few days to make it. So that's another thing.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like I made it in fifteen minutes, but
Speaker 2: I made that in fifteen minutes, right, But you could
Speaker 2: tell just lookes drums and and fucking actually doing the
Speaker 2: mutes and and and solos on the spot. That's what
Speaker 2: makes it so bouncy. I'm just doing that ship live, right,
Speaker 2: But on Glaciers It's just like I really composed it
Speaker 2: in a way, you know what I mean, and I
Speaker 2: kept changing it. I was very cool with the idea
Speaker 2: of what it would of what it became, and then
Speaker 2: I did that right because lasers, I made Lasism before
Speaker 2: Randy Days and then Randy Day sat on the grill
Speaker 2: for three days too, right, And what I like about it,
Speaker 2: it's just that there was just a vibe of feeling right.
Speaker 2: It's not that complicated in all reality, but everything from
Speaker 2: the sample that intros to the thunderstorm to the girl
Speaker 2: I sing for him but he isn't here, yo, son,
Speaker 2: and that fucking that fucking string uh fucking trimblo down
Speaker 2: to fucking boom boom. It's like base, It's like what
Speaker 2: the fuck? All that shit just came to that moment
Speaker 2: and then the hook, Like when I told Blue Vaysberry,
Speaker 2: I want you do the same this ship.
Speaker 1: Yo, Can you please tell me how did Blue Raspberry
Speaker 1: get in the game, because to me, like she doesn't
Speaker 1: get enough credit or whatever for like her ad lives
Speaker 1: and what she adds to the game, like how did
Speaker 1: she wind up in the Click?
Speaker 2: Well, I think Ray Kwalm met her first early on too,
Speaker 2: back in Atlantic City. I think at one of those
Speaker 2: early rap things he got contact with her. She actually
Speaker 2: sung for us that night. She sung Whitney.
Speaker 3: Houston as good as Whitney Houston like then she went
Speaker 3: and blew. She hit that patty note as you hit
Speaker 3: that note in places that.
Speaker 2: Yeah right.
Speaker 3: She was one of the only person to do it
Speaker 3: beyond you know, in real life.
Speaker 2: And so I just always brought her to the studio,
Speaker 2: and when I would do her, it was just like,
Speaker 2: I'll just tell her to say this song, saying this song,
Speaker 2: say this song. And she had such a good repertoire,
Speaker 2: like on method Man saying man right, this this is
Speaker 2: that's again. I'll tell her sing these songs and then
Speaker 2: I would take them and then put them in the
Speaker 2: ASR and chop them into something else. And I just
Speaker 2: thought it was as unique that she was like a
Speaker 2: living two box. So her name was Candy, of course.
Speaker 2: But let me say one thing about her that I'm
Speaker 2: proud to say. Earlier this year January of this year,
Speaker 2: I did a concert in Colorado. So I'm part of
Speaker 2: this imagination artist, so I have to owe them three concerts.
Speaker 2: This was my second one. I did do the links orchestrated,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So we trotted it out.
Speaker 2: We got the Officer to play, and I bought Blue
Speaker 2: Raspberry to do her parts. And Bro, she got a
Speaker 2: stand at the ovation. She just was and she came
Speaker 2: out like she was.
Speaker 3: She was like a She came out like a week
Speaker 3: being Gladys.
Speaker 2: She had this dress on. She I mean, she felt
Speaker 2: so good that night and I was so proud of her,
Speaker 2: and Yo, she was flawless. She's like a celebrity, you know,
Speaker 2: one of those every celebrity don't make it, Bro, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, somebod are locked in jail.
Speaker 3: Well, some of our greatest it could be an a
Speaker 3: mental asylum.
Speaker 2: Some of our greatest are stuck right in that home
Speaker 2: because they pregnancy or or from something like that turned
Speaker 2: that rote a different way, and not saying that. You know,
Speaker 2: she didn't get some accolades, and she had some success
Speaker 2: in her life, but for her level of talent, the
Speaker 2: crowd like they just they I didn't tell them to
Speaker 2: stand up. She just was chilling that ship.
Speaker 1: Was there ever going to be a Blue Raspberry album? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I wanted to do a Blue Raspberry album. I had
Speaker 2: to assign the foundation the fourth disciple, Okay, but he
Speaker 2: you know, he was kids and ship being kids and
Speaker 2: focus kids being kids and shit.
Speaker 1: All right, So you said Glaciers of Ice and.
Speaker 2: I mentioned rand.
Speaker 3: I was just stand special. I think Brandon Ruck is
Speaker 3: a special really, yeah, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: I think Brandon Ruck is a special follow it right,
Speaker 2: so hard to follow it that that's what makes it
Speaker 2: special to me.
Speaker 1: I don't even count that as the first song on
Speaker 1: thirty six Chambers like for me, like same on is
Speaker 1: the first.
Speaker 2: Makes it same? It's contained, but even though same goes
Speaker 2: a little bit off the rails, it is prettyktanined. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna challenge you, okay, no, to go ahead and follow
Speaker 2: it because it actually and I didn't know that, right,
Speaker 2: but it's actually a composition, almost like an orchestrated composition. Yes,
Speaker 2: it starts one way, it builds up it gets to this.
Speaker 2: So I just think that the part of beat making
Speaker 2: that I that I feel confident in. If I want
Speaker 2: to say, you ask me about what I think is dope.
Speaker 2: I think that when I'm able to tell a story
Speaker 2: with the music before the MC even gets on it,
Speaker 2: Like if you take the rap off and just listen,
Speaker 2: it's still shit happen and the shit is going. It
Speaker 2: ain't just like a full ball phrase that I'm just
Speaker 2: dropping the snare, dropping the drum, add in the high
Speaker 2: ask and doing the one on a four drop. It
Speaker 2: ain't that.
Speaker 3: It's a lot going on in that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? That to me, it's my
Speaker 2: thoughts when you actually like what impresses me? When I'm
Speaker 2: able to do that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Got it for me? I'll say that. I know you're
Speaker 1: always tired of cats asking you like, if you were
Speaker 1: to pare down WU Tank Forever to a single album,
Speaker 1: would you be able to for me deadly Medley, I
Speaker 1: want to redo that joint because that, to me is
Speaker 1: one of the heaviest I don't know that was a
Speaker 1: crazy That was the value that makes me want to
Speaker 1: card drack a garbage truck and just ramming in a wall.
Speaker 2: Like uh see, now you see. So I'm glad you
Speaker 2: respond to stuff like that. So some stuff is for
Speaker 2: the aggression. It's straight up for fuck that we kicking it.
Speaker 1: That's that's my walking music in the morning, when I
Speaker 1: do my five thousand steps in the morning. Nellie Melly
Speaker 1: is on that mixes. It just makes you walk different.
Speaker 2: Man, that's crazy. That's what you know what I like
Speaker 2: on that album m that was a wall that would
Speaker 2: be called bum. Yes, the track like that.
Speaker 3: I like the track like that because once again, if
Speaker 3: you don't have the lyrics, it's telling your story.
Speaker 1: Look now now that you open up that record, I
Speaker 1: gotta ask you man, first of all, let me finish
Speaker 1: my my other four Stroke of Death on on ghost
Speaker 1: Face record with the backwards record. Shit. Oh god, yo
Speaker 1: almost now I literally almost crashed my card that ship.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I just like I said, that's that
Speaker 2: was a question. But it's like it's remember remember I
Speaker 2: don't I know you remember this look Sometimes at the
Speaker 2: block party mm hm, the DJ throw something on and
Speaker 2: somebody get punched in the face. That's how hip hop was,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: For this podcast, a lot of those that have been
Speaker 1: privy to going to Latin Quarter would tell me that
Speaker 1: when Steti Sonics goes, Stetsa comes on exactly that man, Yo, run.
Speaker 2: Run exactly.
Speaker 1: My third joint, probably my all time favorite Wu Tang
Speaker 1: Cannon song, is the stomp by ODB.
Speaker 2: To this day, like he started the foundation of that
Speaker 2: beat though he so so od B he bought that
Speaker 2: beat to me. I got him an as r. He
Speaker 2: made four beats in his life, okay, right, or four
Speaker 2: that he played me, and this was one of them,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: and all I did was after beats and you know,
Speaker 2: a few souschool but that group too too. Toom Zoom
Speaker 2: doom the boat. I put that little thing in there
Speaker 2: that's to add to it. But that was the total groove.
Speaker 2: It's total rhythm and Brooklyn's dowers. Well, people don't give
Speaker 2: od B the credit for that either. To Mask get
Speaker 2: most of the credit, and I get some credit for
Speaker 2: it too, But no, od b Uh, he only made
Speaker 2: a few beats, even though he was a human beat box.
Speaker 2: He could have made a hundred beats, but he just
Speaker 2: he was the equipment, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 2: ship but that's one of them. So I'm glad to
Speaker 2: hear that that's one of.
Speaker 1: My last one. And again it's only because when we
Speaker 1: were living in London, broke, hungry, borderline depressed. We have
Speaker 1: a way different relations and shit with Ta Cal than
Speaker 1: you did, like and I know Metha always says like
Speaker 1: I hate that album, but that album kept our sanity.
Speaker 1: Like we were living in London at the time when
Speaker 1: just like all you had there was no internet, no streaming,
Speaker 1: so you were forced to listen to against your will
Speaker 1: like I'm a scatman and like just all of whatever.
Speaker 1: It was on pop radio at the time, so we
Speaker 1: just always kept but PLO style on to Cal was
Speaker 1: like that was you know what, actually, you know, it's weird.
Speaker 1: There was one time, I'll say like maybe around ninety
Speaker 1: four ninety five we were basically pick a Western European
Speaker 1: country and stay there for a month and just hit
Speaker 1: every city, every club and whatnot. There was one time
Speaker 1: when we played in the south of France, and this
Speaker 1: is how sneaky pre internet life was. There was a
Speaker 1: crew in France that basically committed the entire to Cal,
Speaker 1: the entire built for Cuba Links and the entire returned
Speaker 1: to the thirty six chambers and we sat backstage, We're like, yo,
Speaker 1: these motherfuckers are actually doing the whole entire thirty album
Speaker 1: from start to fit, as if it was their joints,
Speaker 1: Like I know these lyrics from somewhere, and you know
Speaker 1: they use other instrumentals and try it, but the audience
Speaker 1: didn't know any better. I mean, two of your most
Speaker 1: eccentric creations I'm obsessed with. First one, how did black
Speaker 1: Shampoo come to be?
Speaker 2: Fucking uh? I think that's the coast well right right,
Speaker 2: So I think it was I think the machines, but
Speaker 2: you you know, I knew the lyric. He had the lyric,
Speaker 2: and so I was like, fuck it, let him loose
Speaker 2: on it. It was definitely very It was that, to
Speaker 2: be honest with you, it was Black Shampoo. And there's
Speaker 2: another one that wasn't on the American album called sun Shower.
Speaker 1: Wait sun Showered from wait that ghost released?
Speaker 3: Or no no, not the Sun with slip Wick and
Speaker 3: all that.
Speaker 1: Okay, no, no, no, I'm talking about son Showers the
Speaker 1: Power Nope, because there's a ghost version of Okay.
Speaker 2: It's one.
Speaker 1: It's one.
Speaker 2: It was on a Who Tank Forever album, but only
Speaker 2: on the European person Okay, I'm not understand that that.
Speaker 2: In Black Sampool were two of the last tracks and
Speaker 2: it was kind of at the time, I think I
Speaker 2: was really.
Speaker 3: Falling into Bobby Digital creatively, right.
Speaker 2: You know that we recorded Whutank Forever and the Grave
Speaker 2: Digger second album at the same time. You know that.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he did it. Okay.
Speaker 2: I had everybody live in La well for at least
Speaker 2: two months. He mus a ping pon, but we had
Speaker 2: to stay in LA for two months. Grave Biggas came out,
Speaker 2: We had an American studio, had the whole shit locked down.
Speaker 2: I was just going to room the room making both albums,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I think, and then
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Bobby Isuel was coming.
Speaker 2: So I think that I started like stop sampling and
Speaker 2: started playing all of the machines and black Wool as
Speaker 2: a result of that, and you got a lyric, you know,
Speaker 2: some baby oil shit.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We got it. Okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say in your second most eccentric
Speaker 1: beat that I'm obsessed with how many people ask you
Speaker 1: about the Guitar Center commercial. Oh shit, you don't understand, yo,
Speaker 1: there's an obsession with trying to figure out like it's
Speaker 1: so wild and crazy.
Speaker 2: I don't remember it told me, but I knew you
Speaker 2: weren't aware of it.
Speaker 1: There is an underground society of beat makers that like,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get my boys Jroe Elliott right now,
Speaker 1: who's in the roots to like flip it? Like you
Speaker 1: you remember you doing a demonstration beat.
Speaker 2: Up on the spot of some shit on that on
Speaker 2: the spot, right. I remember Dallas Foston had made this
Speaker 2: machine called the beat Thing. Right. It was the first
Speaker 2: machine that I saw that had a battery power for
Speaker 2: two three hours, meaning you can make the beats on
Speaker 2: the plane on the plane and exactly right. And so
Speaker 2: you know I bought it, yes for that. I never
Speaker 2: released a song from it or nothing. But it's just
Speaker 2: like I'm on a play. I'm not wasting just messing around, right,
Speaker 2: I get it. And then that Good Talk Center I
Speaker 2: remember him talking. I said, you gotta bother that s
Speaker 2: was just this ship and you can just do this ship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't remember the beat at all, bru.
Speaker 1: There's a whole underground society trying to figure out because
Speaker 1: you know, the crazier your beats are. It's like we
Speaker 1: just sit and try to analyze that ship, like try
Speaker 1: to figure it out.
Speaker 3: But even if it's ugly appreciated.
Speaker 1: No when it's ugly and stinking and unorthodox, it's even
Speaker 1: better for me. You know, I don't I don't consider
Speaker 1: like a good song bat song.
Speaker 2: It's just like us Thomas doing the dog.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, of the many disciples that also like co produce
Speaker 1: what you who's the disciple of your arsenal of or
Speaker 1: your generals of producers that you worked with that later
Speaker 1: went to, you know, Helm for the projects, not like
Speaker 1: which which ones? Do you feel like?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not trying to make it play favorite.
Speaker 2: So I can pat those bumpers down a little bit
Speaker 2: from my you know, from the avid seat. Look, first
Speaker 2: of all, I think fourth had the most potential. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna say something my Foult disciples, you know, for those times.
Speaker 2: I don't know how as Tom said, but during that
Speaker 2: time period he didn't have a lot of records.
Speaker 3: He made his collection of beats and songs almost from
Speaker 3: one crate.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: This one create that he had contained one hundred tracks
Speaker 2: for him. They have sample Love Story four or five,
Speaker 2: maybe even ten times for his catalog. You see what
Speaker 2: I mean? Because of really the way he did it,
Speaker 2: the pieces that excited him or the rendition of the
Speaker 2: version of that song, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: I think he was very special, but yet don't have
Speaker 2: a lot of material. True Master, I think, who was
Speaker 2: already making beats and you know he was hanging with us,
Speaker 2: hanging with Premier. You know, he introduced us to Premier.
Speaker 2: You know, I knew Keep before that. But but True Master,
Speaker 2: I think if you listen to True Master tracks, he's
Speaker 2: I think he's the most consistent at staying at a
Speaker 2: sound right. He stays at that.
Speaker 1: He did fish I think, yeah, I know you did
Speaker 1: fish on on on Goods joint. You've been warned, and
Speaker 1: he did a Brooklyn Zoo too correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly got it. So he's consistent with like it's
Speaker 2: going to be hip hop, it's going to sound like
Speaker 2: it ain't going to sound too far fetched on the left,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But then the brother who
Speaker 2: I think put the most time into it is the
Speaker 2: fifth the last people who is Mathematics. You know, he
Speaker 2: he he came in late, but he never stopped. He's
Speaker 2: still you know, right now, Mathill dropped some ship on
Speaker 2: you right now, and it's like, yo, you know tu
Speaker 2: Mass has sent me a few tracks recently and for
Speaker 2: something he wanted me to, you know, help him with
Speaker 2: and and you know it sounds like I said, he's consistent.
Speaker 2: But math Math can make a stacks album with musicians
Speaker 2: and make it sound like a Wu Tang thing.
Speaker 1: I believe. He said in an interview that trailing Quentin
Speaker 1: Tarantino for Kill Bill prepared you for your your directing debut,
Speaker 1: Man with the Iron Fists. What's it like to work
Speaker 1: with Eli Roth? Because I only know Eli Roth because
Speaker 1: he makes one of the most disturbing, uh you know,
Speaker 1: her afflicts of all time?
Speaker 2: So well, first of all, in Man with the Iron Fist,
Speaker 2: Man Eli, we laughed because I vote the first draft myself.
Speaker 2: But I was still you know, at the at the
Speaker 2: I won't say novice level. I was at the intermediate level.
Speaker 2: I wasn't good enough to really write a whole movie.
Speaker 2: I was getting there, you know, for so let's just
Speaker 2: say this was my college sheet. But I needed help.
Speaker 2: And Eli you know, he used to always be at
Speaker 2: Clinton House. You know, we watched a lot of movies together.
Speaker 2: I considered him a classmate. It's like four of us,
Speaker 2: you know, like maybe Edgar Wrighter be up there, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So he, you know, helped me finish,
Speaker 2: help me write now with the Iron Fists, and because
Speaker 2: I got it written, I was ready to direct it.
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is, as a writer and we
Speaker 2: did the film, it was like some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that is gry, like he'll, I say, they're gonna.
Speaker 3: Blame him for it in Mail Dyan Fense, like they
Speaker 3: chop his arms off, all that shit.
Speaker 2: No, and then some of the stuff that was actually
Speaker 2: funny and soft it was him, which is interesting because
Speaker 2: exactly it doesn't make right.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Funny thing is, you know, don't forget I'm a grave.
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 2: But the thing, you know, startying with Quinn was a blessing.
Speaker 2: That's got to say that. You know a lot of
Speaker 2: people got to go to college, uh and get there
Speaker 2: and get their education. I was blessed to get it through.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just use this world as a definition of it.
Speaker 2: Do apprenticeship, you know what I mean. I was willing
Speaker 2: to sit beside great masters. You know, every every time
Speaker 2: I acted in the film, like you know, when I
Speaker 2: was an American gangster, I'm sitting beside really scott y know,
Speaker 2: and being the resid helps you know what I mean
Speaker 2: meaning like I'm not doing some bomb some bare related
Speaker 2: like you know what I mean. Right, I traveled well
Speaker 2: you know, not to use money here by my multimillionaires,
Speaker 2: so it's not like I need anything, right, So so yeah,
Speaker 2: I could beat you in Italy, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And we could talk about it.
Speaker 1: So what was camp Quinton like? Because for me, one
Speaker 1: of the things I'd like to do the most if
Speaker 1: I ever have free time. I love going to his
Speaker 1: two movie theaters. I always go to New Beverly Nice,
Speaker 1: like I'm always. I'm always because his collection is just
Speaker 1: the illness as far as but I know that studying
Speaker 1: under him, and he's so like he likes the energy
Speaker 1: of creative people. Like what was the whole process like
Speaker 1: with kill Bill? How do they call you?
Speaker 3: And well, like you said, his movie theaters before his
Speaker 3: movie theaters.
Speaker 2: It was his house, right, all those prints he would
Speaker 2: show him at his home and invite his friends over,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And I was amongst those friends.
Speaker 2: And then I was, you know, brave enough or humbling
Speaker 2: enough to be like, y, can you teach me? You know?
Speaker 2: I want to learn? And him also he doesn't know
Speaker 2: how to use music equipment. But he's a very musical guy.
Speaker 2: He could have been a music producer based on him here,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So he was like, okay,
Speaker 2: share you share that knowledge. And so we shared knowledge
Speaker 2: with each other and sportship, friendship and spent a lot
Speaker 2: of time together. But the time is. If you want
Speaker 2: to make movies, then watch movies. If you want to
Speaker 2: write books, then read books. Right, want to write a movie,
Speaker 2: then study scripts. I bought fifty scripts just to read them.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm reading Breakfast the Tiffany's you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm reading the Breakfast Club. Fuck it. I
Speaker 2: read both of them, right, because these are successful scripts,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And then at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, though, I also get to you know,
Speaker 2: like before kill Bill was finished, you know, he read
Speaker 2: it to me parts of it, and then when it
Speaker 2: was finished, he gave me a copy, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. You know Jango I was writing now nine
Speaker 2: is while he was writing Jangos, he was on page forty.
Speaker 2: I was on page ninety. So I was blessed and
Speaker 2: Eli as well, you know what I mean. It was
Speaker 2: it was you know that crew, Elvis Mitchell, you know
Speaker 2: a certain crew with people and all that knowledge, and
Speaker 2: me I was sponging the knowledge like I was.
Speaker 3: I was allowing the knowledge to sponge on me.
Speaker 2: Take it and the doorb it uh and then just
Speaker 2: give you one idea of how something like how a
Speaker 2: day would go.
Speaker 3: It was like, yeah, I got I'm doing a double
Speaker 3: feature tonight, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: It could be uh, Paul Mazerke's film, right, fucking you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Chris Christofferson's fucking four films or
Speaker 2: something like we're gonna do Convoy and maybe casting over
Speaker 2: Wong one of his joints, right, And so I'm like cool,
Speaker 2: and and so we go and watch them. You know,
Speaker 2: we've watched so many films. The Queen was such a
Speaker 2: film cinephile, right, Yeah, that he had thirty five million
Speaker 2: to print, so you watched it in a big d
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But then he had sixty milli plints.
Speaker 2: So now that means you got to watch it in
Speaker 2: the living room, right, what it's going the morning? Now?
Speaker 2: Who tapped out? Who made it? For the next one? Me?
Speaker 2: I I'm you know, we hipot that's studio time. But
Speaker 2: us I got older, I could go to six in
Speaker 2: the morning, and then he had all the books and
Speaker 2: that that he allowed access to, like yeah, you want
Speaker 2: to take a book, the book whatever, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, like that to me is that's the dream,
Speaker 1: like for real, like I love old archives and movies
Speaker 1: like i'm I'm I was. I was so envious that
Speaker 1: you had access to that man. That's that's I.
Speaker 2: Would say something about him real quick too, so people would,
Speaker 2: you know, just for sometimes people like he says this
Speaker 2: world and this movies a lot and all that, and
Speaker 2: it's like this hospitality. It's like, you know, my brother freedom,
Speaker 2: my younger brother. You know, there's some time and all that.
Speaker 2: You know, even if I wasn't in town and Quinn
Speaker 2: was sewing movie, you'll let my brother come and watch
Speaker 2: it with him and give him a room to spend
Speaker 2: the night.
Speaker 3: And freedom is straight up. And it's just like when
Speaker 3: you family, you family and.
Speaker 2: If you know. And that's so he was the godfather,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was he was the
Speaker 2: abbot of film for me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And I would come with my peoples and he always
Speaker 2: had supreme hospitality and and also always would give us
Speaker 2: a little bit of wisdom. You know, remember one day
Speaker 2: one of my mans that got murdered, and this was
Speaker 2: the night that we had a plan to do something
Speaker 2: together and I was gonna you know, I came because
Speaker 2: I said I'll be there.
Speaker 3: So I got there, I said, I'm actually don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to go. I got you know, I
Speaker 2: got a problem I gotta deal with. So what you're
Speaker 2: talking about? Hold on? Hold on? We playing this ship
Speaker 2: like a month ago, right, So I'm like, yeah, so
Speaker 2: hold on, let me make your margama to talk about it.
Speaker 2: And I sold. So we talked about the problem, like yeah,
Speaker 2: my man that and so you know, maybe I don't know, right,
Speaker 2: Bong bong, right, yeah, and also deal with some things, right,
Speaker 2: he said, hold on the miss playing style to you said,
Speaker 2: you gotta understand. You said you're up here, right, and
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of people from your community, from
Speaker 2: your generation, from your culture that's up here. Say you're
Speaker 2: up here just so that you can reach down and
Speaker 2: pour somebody else up. That's why you're here, so you
Speaker 2: can always be able to reach down and pour somebody
Speaker 2: up if you ever go down. There's nobody up here
Speaker 2: that can reach down. M You know what I mean,
Speaker 2: so keep moving up here.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what I want to close with. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been studying you, and this is kind of what
Speaker 1: I brought up the last episode for you personally. And
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a few of us that, you know,
Speaker 1: when we make it, there is a survivor's guilt that
Speaker 1: sort of overshadows us a little bit. How do you
Speaker 1: deal with the idea of survivor's guilt or the idea
Speaker 1: of like, not everyone can come with you that sometimes
Speaker 1: you have to save yourself, put your own oxygen mask
Speaker 1: on first before you can help other people.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I do help, right,
Speaker 2: I continue, you know, you know, that's just what we
Speaker 2: we gotta do that because that's that's part of our blessing.
Speaker 2: Right at minimum that just use the Bible on this one.
Speaker 2: At minimum, you got ten percent times, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So at minimum, you know, so I start
Speaker 2: to compartmentalize it. You know, I have my wife, you know,
Speaker 2: as a good head on her shoulder, and I have
Speaker 2: my older sister, and sometimes we'll choose who to help.
Speaker 2: Who've been helped five times already? All right, that's the
Speaker 2: fifth time. Let them go, you know, what I mean,
Speaker 2: But we all here to help believe that and know that, right.
Speaker 2: And the blessing though, hope, I hope you feel the same,
Speaker 2: is that sometimes you do go out to the world
Speaker 2: and you see, you know, whether it's homeless people. You know.
Speaker 2: I remember lying with Jay one day and we got
Speaker 2: to a light and he stopped the call your old
Speaker 2: stop stop stop and going down this windows just pulled
Speaker 2: out from under his getting some homeless that all right,
Speaker 2: go you know what I mean? And yeah, I do
Speaker 2: the same shit. That's what that's why, it's my man
Speaker 2: and whatever. But it's like I've seen the natural I've
Speaker 2: seen goes through the same thing. Right, It's that's how
Speaker 2: we are, That's how. But the beauty of it is
Speaker 2: that because we deal with hopefully we deal with all
Speaker 2: the stress and the and the obligatory thing of helping others, uh,
Speaker 2: the pressure of family needing.
Speaker 3: Help a lot and not never satisfied.
Speaker 2: Because you may help them five times, they won ten times, right,
Speaker 2: But then you're still able to go home to your peace.
Speaker 2: If I wasn't able to go home, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like if I go back to East and
Speaker 2: I go to the room mansion, that ship is in
Speaker 2: the woods. Bro it's quiet. So I go back to
Speaker 2: that temple. Then I'm able to calm my shit down, reevaluate,
Speaker 2: and go back out again. So the best way I
Speaker 2: can say that is that you gotta be able to
Speaker 2: plug them back into yourself right. And then the last
Speaker 2: thing I say is that at this age, I realize
Speaker 2: that really helping people don't mean giving them no money.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the first that they want, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, That's not what they need, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? The money, it's almost.
Speaker 3: Like it's like food, You're gonna eat it and ship
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 2: You know. They need to know how to fast, They
Speaker 2: need to know something else. And at this age, I've
Speaker 2: been doing that more, you know, like striv into like Okay, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give them a little blessing.
Speaker 1: But now help people now. But now I got to.
Speaker 2: Now let me hit them with this. If they don't
Speaker 2: take this after I gave them this, then that means
Speaker 2: they don't want me. They want this, and they go
Speaker 2: better go find that someone else. Because money, uh, money
Speaker 2: is something that you bless your family with. But I
Speaker 2: will say this too, money is something that is earned. Man.
Speaker 2: It's It's something that is earned. If you don't earn it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, you will never know the
Speaker 2: value of it.
Speaker 1: There it is, brother, Thank you, brother, Thank you. I
Speaker 1: appreciate you. This is a Quest Love Supreme our our
Speaker 1: Part two conversation with Riza uh Man of Renaissance. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even going to ask you what
Speaker 1: do you have next down the pipe because I know
Speaker 1: You're always going to have something down the pipe. But
Speaker 1: thank you man for for just years of blessing us
Speaker 1: and inspiring us.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you for coming on Quest Love Supreme.
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you question asp Baz.
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