WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: RZA Part 2 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:11.320 Questloft Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. All Right, ladies 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.360 and gentlemen, as promised, welcome back to Quest Loft Supreme. 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:20.720 To our second part of our conversation with the prolific 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:27.560 Masterful Rizza aka Prince Raqem, the Abbot, Bobby Digital, Bobby Steeles, 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:32.320 the Scientist, Prince de Light, Prince Dynamite was exact exact. Allah, 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:33.320 what's up brother? 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:33.880 How you doing? 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:36.440 Says simple lessings, Thanks for inviting me back. 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:39.199 I have to tell you that, you know, when they 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:42.839 initially told me that you were coming out to do 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:47.720 the back Mud project, just based on the title alone, 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.159 I didn't know what to expect. And for those who 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:54.760 don't know it's out now. I mean this is as 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.440 straight ahead as classical music as I've heard it. I 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:01.320 knew it his classical music, but I thought it would 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.040 be rizified, but he kind of went straight ahead with it. 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.160 Can you give me the basic genesis of how this 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:09.160 project came to be? 0:01:09.840 --> 0:01:13.360 I mean yeah, I mean it started from finding one 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:17.280 of my old lyrical notebooks during the pandemic, like a 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:19.280 notebook to have my lyrics from the age of like 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.080 fourteen to nineteen, and in that book is like all 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:29.160 types of stories and ideas of being younger, first time, smoking, drinking, sex, 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.320 et cetera. And certain lyrics in there. You know, back 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.280 in those days there's writing three page lyrics, so certain 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.720 lyrics had these long stories and these ideas, and I 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.959 was like, I should record these lyrics and write music 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:46.280 to it. You know, I'm busy doing my TV show, 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:49.080 I'm doing post and that, so my brain is in 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.200 composer mode. And I said, I want to actually try 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:55.880 to write an opera or something with these lyrics. And 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.000 as I started doing it, first of all, somebody corrected me. 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.960 It was a guy named Evanberg. It was like, operas 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.240 are usually an Italian wizzard, so I think you're gonna 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.280 be able to do that. So okay, cool, he said, 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:10.960 but you know ballet or sweet so like the Nutcracker 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:13.040 or Peter and the Wolf, that type of thing. And 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:15.320 so I said, okay, let me take that approach, and 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:17.760 then I did. But when I started writing the music 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.920 or playing music and composing it, it all started to 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:28.200 not need lyrics. It started to not be something that 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.119 would just be a continuation of what I'm known for, 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:37.079 that to show an evolution of of of my creative 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:40.800 mind and yet still to me have the story and 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:42.680 the spirit of what I was trying to say in 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.720 the music. You know what I mean. She said something 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:47.959 that you're a scientist or history and all that. But 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.040 I'm gonna correct you on one thing you said. It 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.200 wasn't rizzified. But if you actually take a listen right, 0:02:54.040 --> 0:03:00.480 and you will hear the staccatoists of Triumph burn a 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:05.680 lotus arriving you're here, like the Bobby Digital like on 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.600 the song the type of track about it do much 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:13.680 is actually saying here he comes Bobby Digital. So it's 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:17.120 like the cats of Howard Ryan or the cats of 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:20.760 the vibe that I bring, like MCing shows up in 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.799 some of the melody lines and then the keys of 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.480 which a lot of my tracks come out in, right, 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.280 you know, or the sample heroes like you know Marcone 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:35.200 a hero. You know, it's one of my heroes. Quincy 0:03:35.320 --> 0:03:39.080 Jones of course, rest in peace, Isaac Hayes, like a 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.640 lot of my heroes, and how they would do something, 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:44.600 you know, they did it with soul and with rhythm 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:50.120 right music right. I removed all all the rhythm, all 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:53.000 the percussion, all the lyricism, and then left that as 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:53.960 the ballet. 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:58.320 So well when I'm at Riz, like for me your 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:02.920 relationship would this chords sort of classing I mean some 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:07.960 like knowledge God, which to me, it's the type of 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:13.000 composition that I guess the term is uh with synesthesia, 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:16.400 like where you could see, like you can visualize, you 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:20.480 can see the notes you paint such these pictures with 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:26.160 dissonance minimalism. That that's what I thought. We're based on 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:29.960 the title the Ballet through Mud. But this isn't the 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:34.480 first time that you've done kind of full circle, fully 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:37.760 realized thing like, if anything, I mean you're in full 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.679 renaissance move like be it, you know, directing your movies, 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:45.840 your various projects that you've done with other artists and whatnot. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:51.159 If anything, I think you're probably the most prolific figure 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:55.640 that we have as far as someone actively putting creative 0:04:55.640 --> 0:04:58.880 prints and almost in every creative medium. For you, though, 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:04.880 was the story that you wanted to convey with Bellion. 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.600 Well, one of the lyrics that it started with, right, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.880 it's called Joe was a nerd, right and Uh in 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:15.200 that lyric, I could do a few bars of the lyric. Right. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.800 I don't think I did it last time. I was here, 0:05:19.400 --> 0:05:20.600 but you didn't know. 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:24.000 Okay, So Joe was a nerd, right, so part in 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:26.320 the cadence and part in the lack. 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:27.640 Of MC love. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:30.440 Apologize. 0:05:31.600 --> 0:05:34.480 It starts off like a Sue was this girl who 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:35.480 was really quite fly. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:38.839 Brad was real cool when he was her guy. Lisa 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.760 was freaky, she loved to have sex. Her brother name 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:44.480 was Dexter, but they called him Decks. His sister name 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:47.080 was Monica, and she was a verge. Joe was just 0:05:47.200 --> 0:05:50.120 their friend and he was a nerd. Brad bought the beer, 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.200 Shoe bought the smoke. Lisa had sheets Decks that had coke, but. 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.800 Joe was the type who didn't get high, nor did Monica. 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.600 She was willing to try, so Brad did a joint, passed. 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.680 It that Joe said, come on, man smoking and Joe said, no, 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:05.800 what's wrong? Are you scared? Was asked by Sue or 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.000 you was just a nerd? Joe said that's not true. 0:06:08.320 --> 0:06:10.480 Monica said come on, just have a taste, and she 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.480 puffed on the joint due to smoke in his face. 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.520 Now on Monica, Joe had a crush. He didn't wanted 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.600 to smoke the weed, but felt that he must and 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.960 like many we know, love made him a fool, so 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:22.120 he pulled on the joint to prove he was cool. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:25.400 At Lista was like, yo, forget about Joe. They said, yo, decks, 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.120 where the heck is the blow? He pulled out two grams, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:29.960 said it's all that I bought, but it's more than 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.599 enough that they proceeded to snort. Now, at this time, 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.160 Joe had finished three beers and Brad was like, here, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.880 have another, you queer, and Joe was like no, while 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:41.240 holding his stomach, and while face said Monica, he saiddenly vomit. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.240 She sed, oh my god, shit, how observed, and every 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.400 want to laugh and said, Joe is a nerd. Joe 0:06:46.600 --> 0:06:49.560 is a nerd. Joe was a nerd. Joe brought embarrassed, 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.360 so he did the bird. They chased him. He ran 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.320 inside of old shack, and then was this sound, the 0:06:55.480 --> 0:06:58.920 crashing glass. It was dark inside, so Brad had to 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.080 get a light and they checked to see it. Jee's 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.520 all right. But when they found them, he had quarts 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:06.400 of red blud spitting from his head. And Monica said, 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.240 oh my god, Jorvia's dad and he all started to 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.120 run and never mentioned this incident again to anyone. 0:07:13.200 --> 0:07:20.200 So so anyway, I'm amazed at anyone that's able to 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.040 sort of retain that amount of text in their heads. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.960 You when did you write this year? 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:37.200 I probably was sixteen, So yeah, wow, man, Okay, so 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.559 you actually quoted a good friend of mine, Jazzy Jeff, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.400 when Jeff once famously said a quote to like leave 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:47.280 nothing behind. 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.880 A lot of our hip hop generation we know that 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:56.240 like a figure like a Tupac leaves earth. But has 0:07:56.640 --> 0:08:01.560 you know, so much product left over? Like Prince has 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:05.720 over five thousand songs in his arsenal. But for you, 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:08.600 you said that you subscribe to the theory that you know, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.600 get it all out, leave nothing behind, like just on 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.400 a daily for now, assuming that you're not in the 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:22.560 fight or flight hustle mentality that you were back in 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.080 ninety two ninety three when you were putting the clan together, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.200 you know, trying to shoot your shot. How is just 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:37.240 your daily creative muscles flowing at this stage. 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:40.720 It's like creativity is the energy it's to flow. 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:44.679 It's it's almost like we're breathing in a way right 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:48.400 in the sense of it's just seen you right, even 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:49.040 how we talk. 0:08:50.160 --> 0:08:54.319 It's just it's a creative cadence or a flow to that. 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.959 So for me, you know, to say that, how do 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.680 I take that energy and put it into a structure 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:05.280 that's to say, right, mm hmm. Yeah. Daily, you know 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:12.079 I make I'm either making music or writing down, you know, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:17.880 ideas for a film, or writing lyrics or or making beats. 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:19.840 It's like I never stopped treating. It's like I can't 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.040 stop treating. To be quite frank with you, like like 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.160 you know, like not to get too personal here, but 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.760 you know, my wife, she made a joke. So the 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.640 god from Supreme he rebuild it. One day I saw 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:34.400 him on Instagram and he was talking to He kind 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.000 of quoted me or something. But he came to my 0:09:37.120 --> 0:09:39.240 crib and you know, you know, I was showing on 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.120 no Videl and showing in my crib. But I don't 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:42.679 know what was what got U say every room? 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:43.840 But we right up. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:45.920 You know in the bedroom because of my bedroom, I 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:50.520 have beat machines. I gotta I got my bed and 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.480 I got my piano. You know what I mean to 0:09:53.640 --> 0:09:58.040 my wife, you know she sleeps beside the piano. Just 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.760 say she called that, you know what I mean, She's 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:04.600 life right, So she went roll with me because that's 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.280 what she's with right, get it right? So what point 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:10.199 being made. I'm just saying that to say of how 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:15.920 much that creativity is around me and in me. So 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:18.319 talking of the Valley through Mud, a lot of it 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.480 was written right in front of my wife when I 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:21.080 found the book. 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:23.920 I can tell her, so she became my first audience. 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.040 Right then I'm playing something and she gonna be sitting 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:28.880 there watching, you know, you know, like I said, started 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.000 doing the pandemic, So she might be watching the news 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.000 and she's watching the news and me scoring or writing 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.000 something to this story I got and I'm scoring her world, 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:39.920 you know what I mean at the same time, You 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:42.760 know what I mean, I got it. The creativity is 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.200 like that for me and even for whether it's lyrics. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.319 I got a phone full of lyrics, you know what 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:50.720 I mean that? And Jeff gave us some wisdom. He said, 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:55.079 try to die empty, but it's probably not possible. I 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.000 don't think it's possible for me because at the end 0:10:57.000 --> 0:10:59.920 of the day, the book that I'm talking to you about, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:02.920 it's four hundred lyrics in that one and I got 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:07.240 two of them. It's just like if I didn't say 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:10.559 Joe was a nerd. Nobody's going to hear Joe was 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.079 in nerd except for if he was hanging out with 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:16.000 me back in high school. Right. So that's just how 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.440 it is, right, But that's the art of growth, art 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.679 of creativity. It evolves right in all of us. And 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:27.640 at the level that at my level of creativity, it's 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:32.320 like I understand more about what I what inspired me. Right, 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.880 if you mentioned knowledge Guard, or if you mentioned anything 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.079 from the treatment from the Purple tape, right, it's almost 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.080 like even my experience then was more darker, more gritty, 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.679 more aggressive towards the world, you know what I mean? 0:11:47.080 --> 0:11:49.040 And not saying that I couldn't get like that anytime. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:51.640 And stuff on my feet, right, Like see, I might 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:53.719 Tyson slap Jake when he stepped on his feet, but 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:55.680 Jake shond have stepped on his toe in the. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:59.439 Ring, right, But oh yeah, woke, come up. 0:11:59.440 --> 0:12:03.200 Right, I'm just saying, give your stuff on his toe 0:12:03.280 --> 0:12:06.400 and then deep right made is that you know that 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:10.120 energy you're always gonna exist. But we've been blessed to 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.800 put that in our back pocket and put in our 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.319 front pockets. We could wear our creativity, you know, wear 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:20.400 our cheet wear our positivity. And not to tip this 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:22.439 to you, but it's just like yo. You know, you 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.400 get get up there every United at at any moment, 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.360 you're gonna you may catch a wave, you know what 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.480 I mean. You know, thought might go into something. You 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.400 know what I mean? You might You know it ain't 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.000 that be hurt like that. It's just like yo, you might. 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:36.000 You may start going, you may go. You may bunk 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:38.400 bunk out the band and the dudes may come in 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:40.480 on the on the one may come in on the three. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.600 You may whatever it seems, you can't. You can't get 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:44.040 rid of it. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:44.960 You know what I mean? 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:46.680 And so I'm the same. 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:57.559 What are your current preferred weapons of choice when it 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:00.280 comes to beat making? Now? 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.760 I think once again, like all of us, all these 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.400 I got so many toys, it's ridiculous. 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.120 But but that in Sonic, don't call it. 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.520 They got two of those. I got one in my 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:13.559 office that uh with the floppy disks, Yeah, with the 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:14.400 floppy disc. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.839 I got a dog. To this day, D'Angelo you you 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.840 must have said something to D'Angelo back in ninety five. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:31.160 To this day, to this day, still uses that in Sonic. 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:37.679 And I don't know how he finds floppy discs and 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:43.360 scuzzies like for for for listeners out there, you know, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.199 this is this is pre pre pre pre pre pre pre, 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:52.760 but pre gigabytes, you know what I mean. Like and 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:57.200 but to this day he still has his original nineteen 0:13:57.280 --> 0:14:02.720 ninety five and sonic and and scuzzy and the floppy discs. 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:05.760 And he said that, like you said something to him 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:08.440 about that machine, and that's been his inspiration since then. 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.160 Like you know, it was a powerful machine and it 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:15.679 still has something you know, I think, Yeah, still got 0:14:15.720 --> 0:14:19.280 a couple a lot of mathematics, you know, a lot 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.080 of thematics. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:21.920 Actually did something really cool a few years ago. 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:25.960 We did an album for The Soccer Continues where he 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:28.760 had the musicians play and then he just ran everything 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.520 through the ASR and it shit sounded like it sounded adventage, 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:35.160 like you know what I mean. It wasn't totally totally 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.120 bunk bung, but it was over eighty percent closer to 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.200 what the invented sample would be. But it wasn't the sample. 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.440 It was just musicians playing through the ASR. So for 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.920 anybody out there who can't find the ASR, there's another 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.000 thing called the DP four which is Sonic made, which 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.360 has a lot of the effects of the ASR. So 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.000 the ASR had like fifty built in effects that you 0:14:57.040 --> 0:15:00.720 can put your sample to do right Vanderpoles and and 0:15:00.960 --> 0:15:03.440 it would have low pass filters and et cetera, et cetera. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:09.520 But the DP four was the flagship effects model for it. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.000 So if you can't find an ASR ten or or 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:15.160 EPs sixteen plus and you can find a DP four, 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:18.920 you can actually still get that ASR sound by running 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.520 your new equipment through that. So that's one of the 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:26.320 share that which the viewers my listenership. And then I'll say, 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:30.600 right now, for me, I think what MPC did, right, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:36.359 I think MPC has for hip hop and for creativity 0:15:37.280 --> 0:15:43.000 mastered the way uh the newer the PC the mp 0:15:45.480 --> 0:15:48.000 But yeah, but it's a software and it's a hardware 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.640 all at once, you know what I mean. And so 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:54.200 that to me is my favorite piece right now because 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:55.440 at the end of the day I can put it 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:59.680 at the center of everything and then have the simple 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:02.400 no with of how to work with the MPC right, 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:05.000 and then run all my ship through it without even 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.240 looking at my pro toubs. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:12.080 Speaking of leaving empty, what becomes of all the residual 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:19.000 riser beats that were not used between when you first 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.520 got your machine, and these even dates back to the 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.160 Prince of Queen days of ninety one. What becomes of 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.640 the volumes and volumes of just leftover beats and whatnot. 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.520 Well, for what people will consider, you know, my prime time, 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:37.840 it's not a lot. Because I had two floods, you 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:38.320 know what I mean. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:39.960 That's my worst night, man. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:41.520 Yeah, I had two of them. 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.000 Though, It's like, how'd you get two? 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.560 Right? And you said left on the floor, Yeah, because 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:50.720 I'll be thinking decent and the floppy disk being those 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.360 little cases eighty in the case, and you don't mind 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.920 you said it on the floor under the keyboard. I didn't. 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:59.480 I never expected that to be an issue until it was. 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:04.200 Until my just was floating, right, And then I build 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:07.679 my ship differently, and the water can't come from the bottom, 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:11.920 motherfucker comes from the top. But I laughed at it, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.119 right because at the end of the day, I had 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:18.119 a flood right after thirty six chambers, right before we 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:19.960 get to that. Then I had a flood right after 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:22.800 Liquid Swords, you know what I mean. And then and 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:26.280 then I moved to another studio build that up and 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.480 had another water issue then, and that's to run it 0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:29.960 all together. 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:30.960 Here go the funniest part. 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:34.760 And while we're filming the Wu Tang series and I'm 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:37.920 composing the music for it, and it's an episode that 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:41.240 Malluo van Peebles is directing, which is about the flood 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.440 it cost me that morning, and I'm talking about in 0:17:44.520 --> 0:17:48.600 my Charlie house. Water is coming into my house. We 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:51.800 got the street line backed up and it's and I 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:54.160 told him, yo, gee, this ship is real. 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.960 Are you a water signed person or like I'm a cancer. 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:58.680 So I don't know what that means. I know it's 0:17:58.680 --> 0:18:00.280 a moon, but I don't know if it's water mud. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:03.320 But I will say that at the end of the 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:06.480 day though, it means sometimes you gotta be set. Noah 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:09.080 had to get in that arc, you know what I mean, 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.040 had to close those doors and move. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.120 So are your archives protected? Now? 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.359 No, not like that. I'm gonna say you didn't learn. No, 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:23.679 I'm gonna say no, I don't think you could protect 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.639 what's going to go. That's just my opinion. So I 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.920 might be too philosophical there. But at the end of 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:31.040 the day, you know you're gonna get it out what 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:33.160 you get out for the time. You have to get 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.159 to do what you do, and don't be shy to 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.399 get a lot of it out if you can, right. 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:41.040 I remember Sky was something that ever could that on 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:44.399 that versus he was like, girl, drop that shit, you 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.120 know what I mean, So get out what you can. 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.600 But of course some of it, it just existed for 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.280 the moment. It's still in the universe. It's still there 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.840 even if you on even play that track one time, 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:02.560 it's still captured in that cube of time. But yeah, 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:06.760 my archivan, I've never been good at that, I said, 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:08.560 I will say I never really good at archiving. 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.520 I feel you living in the moment. Yeah, I always 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:16.639 wanted to know what your feelings were of your level 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:22.880 of soul kind of having two renaissance periods. One could 0:19:22.920 --> 0:19:29.520 say that the quote unquote Chipmunk soul movement like two 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.080 thousand and two thousand and one to two. You know, 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:36.879 like basically I will say, when just blazing kind of 0:19:36.880 --> 0:19:40.680 with with Justin and and with Kanye as well. But 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:46.520 also I definitely feel now, especially like post Griselda stuff 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:51.520 your old drug and you know, rock Manciano your old drug. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.280 I mean just there's like almost a second wave of it. 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.639 How do you feel that have you ever got the itching? 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:01.800 And I know, like most creatives don't want to go back, 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:04.160 They want to push for it, and you're definitely pushing forward. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.560 But is it a part of you that when you 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:13.000 hear your ideas still resonating twenty thirty forty years later, 0:20:13.640 --> 0:20:18.480 does that give you the itching to reaching your stax 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:22.040 records politics, to come back in laces again. 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:25.520 I don't think so, to be quite honest, it's almost 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:28.320 like damn, okay, no, seriously, I don't think so. 0:20:28.440 --> 0:20:33.359 It's more like for me, if something happens naturally right. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.000 Then I'm just gonna do it. But but I won't 0:20:36.080 --> 0:20:40.639 be like if everybody start going shell to Adidas, am 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:43.159 I gonna throw on those shelteres in that, you know 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:46.840 what I mean? One of my blessings in my flaws 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:53.320 is kind of you know, probably personality thing putty self 0:20:53.400 --> 0:20:57.520 centered on me pretty sure that you know what I mean, 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:00.760 Like like I'm mean, you know, like you know what 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:04.520 I mean? Pretty pretty, you know, and and and and strive. 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.800 It's hardly even say it because as I'm older, my 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.080 humbleness is here and my humility is here, and I said, 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:11.160 all praise is due to a law. 0:21:11.760 --> 0:21:15.280 But I definitely came from that personality. 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:18.840 Just like you know what I mean, Like like dudes, 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:22.160 is you know, kind of my humility. But like me said, 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:26.879 you feel some certain way. It's almost like I'm Bruce Lee. Yo. 0:21:27.160 --> 0:21:31.320 They doing what they doing, like yo, you know this. Look, 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:32.560 let me let me do a little ego in it. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.160 They breaking boards and you gotta respect them. They trained 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:40.000 themselves to break a board. But I'm breaking bricks all right, 0:21:40.800 --> 0:21:43.280 I'm breaking bricks. And so if you want me to 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:46.200 come back to the gym and break some bricks for you, 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:47.800 you know what I mean, I'll do that. But I 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.359 don't need to break bricks no more. Right, It's like 0:21:50.400 --> 0:21:52.040 I don't need it for the external. I better now 0:21:52.160 --> 0:21:55.200 be in the internal. So so if we go back 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.400 to the ballet, it's like yo, okay, do that kid, right, 0:22:00.520 --> 0:22:00.760 get it? 0:22:00.920 --> 0:22:01.680 And then you do that. 0:22:01.760 --> 0:22:05.080 Okay, now you're doing that. Cool guess what. Okay you 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.280 did that. Now watch me do virtue OsO shit that 0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:10.000 you can't do because now you got put it into 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:14.240 ten thousand dollars in So that part of me is 0:22:14.280 --> 0:22:15.720 a is a thing so let me say though, but 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:18.880 it's a but it's flattering too, and it's complementary because 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.080 at the end of the day, and I said this 0:22:21.200 --> 0:22:23.520 to Uh, I think I said it's to Kanye doing 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:28.040 twisted dark fantasy sessions. When I said WHU Tank Forever, 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:32.040 I wasn't just talking about us as the figures of it. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:34.439 I was just talking about to be brought to the game. Yo. 0:22:35.200 --> 0:22:38.399 That energy, man, that energy ain't going nowhere. Y'a somebody 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:39.840 gonna pick that up. I don't care if you pick 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:41.840 it up from old Dirty, you know what I mean. 0:22:41.920 --> 0:22:44.320 My in my analogy, and this may sound crazy, but 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.399 in my analogy, you know, Dirty helps the South, you 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:52.920 know what I mean, Dirty helps another energy expound is 0:22:53.119 --> 0:22:58.680 expand Dirty helps miss the Elliott right in my analogy. Right. 0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.480 So it's just like, because I'm seeing him as I'm 0:23:01.480 --> 0:23:04.120 seeing the one artist him as an example, I'm seeing 0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:05.880 that artist able. 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.000 To inspire other artists, you know what I mean, to 0:23:09.560 --> 0:23:10.040 make them. 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:12.440 Like Buster once said to me, he was like, Yo, 0:23:14.080 --> 0:23:17.080 when he heard his album, they freed his brain, you 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:19.600 know what I mean. Freedom? So so you made somebody 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:21.560 may get that from meth. They may get it from 0:23:21.680 --> 0:23:24.080 ray like briz alday they ripping. 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.040 I love Brizil. They put this shit on. You listen 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:27.639 to this ship for two hours and. 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.639 Still be and still be zoning in with another joint, right, 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:34.240 because the catalogue has grown like that. But yeah, but 0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.480 do I hear ghosts driven here when it may be 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:40.920 an unknown MC like is lord indictus of their m 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:43.879 C who took and who it might whether he did 0:23:43.960 --> 0:23:47.800 it consciously or subconsciously, is able to see that she 0:23:48.800 --> 0:23:51.119 be inspired and then put it back out in a 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.920 different way. And I just and with this. So they say, 0:23:53.960 --> 0:23:56.920 brush Lee is the father of m M A. You 0:23:56.960 --> 0:23:57.439 know what I mean? 0:23:57.960 --> 0:24:03.679 He makes G Condo, Right, So G Condos took boxing, fencing, judo, 0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.760 ju jitsu, wing, chun cho, a young fat you. 0:24:07.760 --> 0:24:09.800 Know what I mean? Hung god, you know what I mean? 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:12.320 He put all that, you know what I'm saying into 0:24:12.440 --> 0:24:17.600 one thing, studying Muhammad Ali and studying Japanese kimbo. Right. 0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:19.840 So point being made is that he's one of the 0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:22.840 first ones that pioneered at But as time goes on, 0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.119 maybe somebody else will say, oh, that's the man, like 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:28.000 the ain't a whiteson man, you know what I mean? 0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:30.680 Or whatever not like that. The bute point being made 0:24:30.760 --> 0:24:33.640 is that so it's flattering. It's a blessing to see 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.440 that that whatever we added to the culture is still 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:39.359 there and the others are able to find their voice. 0:24:39.960 --> 0:24:42.440 You know. I think Drew did a joint recently with 0:24:42.600 --> 0:24:44.520 with with one of my woul brothers, you know what 0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:47.880 I mean. I was with Rock a few months ago, 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:51.800 just you know, just chilling and he's just like yo, 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.040 you know what I mean. He's like yo, you know 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.640 at being an abbot. Cause I say this real quick. 0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:00.720 So a habit is the one at the temple. He 0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.560 don't fight really, no more like that, you know what 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:07.000 I mean. He's let it throw a little wisdom out now. 0:25:07.119 --> 0:25:09.760 He could fight, though I don't get a twisted now 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.760 the average is staying on one finger, you know what 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:13.080 I mean. 0:25:13.480 --> 0:25:16.480 But he should be past that. He should be a 0:25:16.680 --> 0:25:18.760 spiritual guide an example. 0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:22.400 So for me, going back to the ballet, I'm continuing 0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:24.680 to show us that there is no limitation of the 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.400 art that founded in us, that started as hip hopp 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.280 is our entry into art and culture, you know what 0:25:30.320 --> 0:25:33.359 I mean? And connect the same entry, connect same energy 0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.080 find itself in a classical place where you're sitting there 0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:40.040 and everybody got on a suit and tie and there's 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.240 somebody from our to no nah that's presenting that night. 0:25:43.720 --> 0:25:45.760 Can you sit there and and and and watch a 0:25:45.880 --> 0:25:49.040 film and be like, oh shit, that film was done. 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:51.200 Like right now, Frank Ocean is about to do his 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.840 first movie. Yo. You know what I'm meaning? Oh that 0:25:53.880 --> 0:25:56.879 shit is wow, Frank Ocean is what is this artist 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:59.760 who who had this hip hop on be foundation? What 0:26:00.000 --> 0:26:03.880 it's his cinematic expression? Right? I've seen Zoey Kravitz movie 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:07.720 Blake twice, Right, you watch that one same thing, Like, 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:11.960 look at this artist evolved right where some actresses will 0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.920 never be brave enough to even take that chance. So 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.080 I'm I'm doing that as well in my travels. 0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.760 All right, I feel you, but I definitely feel as 0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:29.520 though it's an homage to you and how your you know, 0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:32.280 your styles is influential. But I definitely see the importance 0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:38.600 of taking steps forward and not looking back. But sometimes 0:26:38.640 --> 0:26:41.359 I just get it itching and you know, go back 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.320 to the old neighborhood and have a fish sandwich exactly, 0:26:44.760 --> 0:26:45.000 you know what. 0:26:45.359 --> 0:26:46.720 But like I said, if you get that inch and 0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.800 if I get that itch, I do it. You know what, 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:50.680 there's a couple of joints that's in the that's in 0:26:50.760 --> 0:26:51.200 the oven. 0:26:52.160 --> 0:26:53.919 You know. Sometimes be in the studio or somebody one 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:57.159 of my little brothers may pop over. Okay, just hit 0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.200 play and be called something, and it'd be like and 0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:02.080 is it? It may just stand stay in the studio. 0:27:02.160 --> 0:27:04.080 But there's always something in there, right. And it's like 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.560 I said, when I made beats or make music. No, 0:27:06.760 --> 0:27:10.439 of course, of course there's days where you know I'm digging. 0:27:11.720 --> 0:27:14.919 At our last Vegas show, I bought my MPC right 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.680 because sometime I like to open the show with just 0:27:17.760 --> 0:27:19.680 a lot of eight O eights and stuff. But in 0:27:19.760 --> 0:27:21.480 this particular and I got like fort these joints, but 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:26.639 in this particular one there's a there's a sample and 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:29.840 so since we had some downtime, I loaded it and 0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:33.960 it just start hitting play. Uh and scratch was there? 0:27:34.520 --> 0:27:36.840 Deck was that capit It was yo. They was like 0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:38.200 give us that ship. 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.879 It was it was it was sounds and records that 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.320 dudes happened stumbled the poor chet. It wasn't even stack ship. 0:27:45.920 --> 0:27:48.000 It was just you know, whenever you dig, you dig, 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:50.000 and you you sample it and you hold it right 0:27:50.520 --> 0:27:53.440 but I was like, I told Scratch Show, just come 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:55.040 and see you how give it you? He ain't come, 0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.560 you know, not that I wasn't moving, but if you 0:27:58.560 --> 0:28:01.240 would the guy there within that hour, I'll be like, oh, yeah, 0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:02.920 you play with it and do and do what you're 0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:03.719 gonna do with it. Then. 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:13.000 So I'll ask you in your arsenal, can you name 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:14.400 five of your favorite creations. 0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:16.159 I don't know if I could do that, but I 0:28:16.280 --> 0:28:18.480 can tell you, like certain ones that that I felt 0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:21.720 that'd be interesting. Let be uh like there's some there's 0:28:21.720 --> 0:28:25.240 always a moment when you feel like there was a boom. Yeah, 0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.640 yeah that nobody nobody did that, and they I did 0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:30.520 that and they can't do it and they might can 0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:34.240 never do it. Well maybe they can, especially technology back then. 0:28:34.359 --> 0:28:37.080 So when I did Glaces of Ice, you know what 0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:42.000 I mean? Yes, yeah, niggas and niggas can't fuck with me, right, 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:46.800 I was that feeling of with that track, And it 0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:49.160 took a few days to make it. So that's another thing. 0:28:49.200 --> 0:28:51.360 It wasn't like I made it in fifteen minutes, but 0:28:51.440 --> 0:28:54.280 I made that in fifteen minutes, right, But you could 0:28:54.320 --> 0:28:57.880 tell just lookes drums and and fucking actually doing the 0:28:58.080 --> 0:29:00.880 mutes and and and solos on the spot. That's what 0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:03.320 makes it so bouncy. I'm just doing that ship live, right, 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:09.200 But on Glaciers It's just like I really composed it 0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.080 in a way, you know what I mean, and I 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.160 kept changing it. I was very cool with the idea 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:16.840 of what it would of what it became, and then 0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.440 I did that right because lasers, I made Lasism before 0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:22.480 Randy Days and then Randy Day sat on the grill 0:29:22.560 --> 0:29:25.840 for three days too, right, And what I like about it, 0:29:25.920 --> 0:29:29.200 it's just that there was just a vibe of feeling right. 0:29:29.240 --> 0:29:33.280 It's not that complicated in all reality, but everything from 0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:37.800 the sample that intros to the thunderstorm to the girl 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:40.760 I sing for him but he isn't here, yo, son, 0:29:41.120 --> 0:29:46.880 and that fucking that fucking string uh fucking trimblo down 0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:52.320 to fucking boom boom. It's like base, It's like what 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:54.400 the fuck? All that shit just came to that moment 0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.080 and then the hook, Like when I told Blue Vaysberry, 0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.400 I want you do the same this ship. 0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:03.000 Yo, Can you please tell me how did Blue Raspberry 0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:06.720 get in the game, because to me, like she doesn't 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:11.440 get enough credit or whatever for like her ad lives 0:30:11.560 --> 0:30:13.239 and what she adds to the game, like how did 0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:14.560 she wind up in the Click? 0:30:15.400 --> 0:30:18.880 Well, I think Ray Kwalm met her first early on too, 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.720 back in Atlantic City. I think at one of those 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:26.120 early rap things he got contact with her. She actually 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.440 sung for us that night. She sung Whitney. 0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:33.480 Houston as good as Whitney Houston like then she went 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:36.000 and blew. She hit that patty note as you hit 0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.040 that note in places that. 0:30:38.880 --> 0:30:39.479 Yeah right. 0:30:39.960 --> 0:30:42.280 She was one of the only person to do it 0:30:42.400 --> 0:30:43.840 beyond you know, in real life. 0:30:44.640 --> 0:30:47.400 And so I just always brought her to the studio, 0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:49.320 and when I would do her, it was just like, 0:30:49.800 --> 0:30:51.600 I'll just tell her to say this song, saying this song, 0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.240 say this song. And she had such a good repertoire, 0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:59.160 like on method Man saying man right, this this is 0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.920 that's again. I'll tell her sing these songs and then 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:04.800 I would take them and then put them in the 0:31:04.840 --> 0:31:07.280 ASR and chop them into something else. And I just 0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:08.920 thought it was as unique that she was like a 0:31:09.040 --> 0:31:12.680 living two box. So her name was Candy, of course. 0:31:13.080 --> 0:31:14.920 But let me say one thing about her that I'm 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:19.640 proud to say. Earlier this year January of this year, 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.560 I did a concert in Colorado. So I'm part of 0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:26.800 this imagination artist, so I have to owe them three concerts. 0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.360 This was my second one. I did do the links orchestrated, 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.719 you know what I mean. So we trotted it out. 0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:35.120 We got the Officer to play, and I bought Blue 0:31:35.200 --> 0:31:38.120 Raspberry to do her parts. And Bro, she got a 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.040 stand at the ovation. She just was and she came 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:41.840 out like she was. 0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:43.880 She was like a She came out like a week 0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:44.479 being Gladys. 0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.920 She had this dress on. She I mean, she felt 0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:48.680 so good that night and I was so proud of her, 0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:54.240 and Yo, she was flawless. She's like a celebrity, you know, 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:57.440 one of those every celebrity don't make it, Bro, you 0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.000 know what I mean, somebod are locked in jail. 0:32:00.040 --> 0:32:03.000 Well, some of our greatest it could be an a 0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:03.800 mental asylum. 0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.560 Some of our greatest are stuck right in that home 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:10.720 because they pregnancy or or from something like that turned 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.040 that rote a different way, and not saying that. You know, 0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:16.040 she didn't get some accolades, and she had some success 0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:19.640 in her life, but for her level of talent, the 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:23.240 crowd like they just they I didn't tell them to 0:32:23.280 --> 0:32:25.280 stand up. She just was chilling that ship. 0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:29.200 Was there ever going to be a Blue Raspberry album? Yeah? 0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:31.440 I wanted to do a Blue Raspberry album. I had 0:32:31.440 --> 0:32:35.920 to assign the foundation the fourth disciple, Okay, but he 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.120 you know, he was kids and ship being kids and 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.320 focus kids being kids and shit. 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:46.400 All right, So you said Glaciers of Ice and. 0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:48.640 I mentioned rand. 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.600 I was just stand special. I think Brandon Ruck is 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:55.120 a special really, yeah, I'll tell you. 0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.640 I think Brandon Ruck is a special follow it right, 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.960 so hard to follow it that that's what makes it 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:02.560 special to me. 0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:05.360 I don't even count that as the first song on 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:08.800 thirty six Chambers like for me, like same on is 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:09.400 the first. 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.240 Makes it same? It's contained, but even though same goes 0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:16.080 a little bit off the rails, it is prettyktanined. I'm 0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:20.320 gonna challenge you, okay, no, to go ahead and follow 0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:24.520 it because it actually and I didn't know that, right, 0:33:25.240 --> 0:33:30.520 but it's actually a composition, almost like an orchestrated composition. Yes, 0:33:30.800 --> 0:33:33.040 it starts one way, it builds up it gets to this. 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:37.040 So I just think that the part of beat making 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.400 that I that I feel confident in. If I want 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:43.080 to say, you ask me about what I think is dope. 0:33:43.560 --> 0:33:46.320 I think that when I'm able to tell a story 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:48.760 with the music before the MC even gets on it, 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.040 Like if you take the rap off and just listen, 0:33:51.400 --> 0:33:54.200 it's still shit happen and the shit is going. It 0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:57.000 ain't just like a full ball phrase that I'm just 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:59.400 dropping the snare, dropping the drum, add in the high 0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:02.840 ask and doing the one on a four drop. It 0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:03.240 ain't that. 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:05.440 It's a lot going on in that motherfucker. 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.239 You know what I mean? That to me, it's my 0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.640 thoughts when you actually like what impresses me? When I'm 0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:14.560 able to do that, you know what I mean? 0:34:15.280 --> 0:34:19.200 Got it for me? I'll say that. I know you're 0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.880 always tired of cats asking you like, if you were 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.480 to pare down WU Tank Forever to a single album, 0:34:27.400 --> 0:34:34.239 would you be able to for me deadly Medley, I 0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:37.840 want to redo that joint because that, to me is 0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:41.080 one of the heaviest I don't know that was a 0:34:41.120 --> 0:34:43.320 crazy That was the value that makes me want to 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.680 card drack a garbage truck and just ramming in a wall. 0:34:46.600 --> 0:34:49.840 Like uh see, now you see. So I'm glad you 0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:52.200 respond to stuff like that. So some stuff is for 0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:56.960 the aggression. It's straight up for fuck that we kicking it. 0:34:57.600 --> 0:34:59.440 That's that's my walking music in the morning, when I 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.680 do my five thousand steps in the morning. Nellie Melly 0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:06.880 is on that mixes. It just makes you walk different. 0:35:06.920 --> 0:35:10.320 Man, that's crazy. That's what you know what I like 0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:19.120 on that album m that was a wall that would 0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.279 be called bum. Yes, the track like that. 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:24.919 I like the track like that because once again, if 0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:26.840 you don't have the lyrics, it's telling your story. 0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:31.920 Look now now that you open up that record, I 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:35.440 gotta ask you man, first of all, let me finish 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:41.319 my my other four Stroke of Death on on ghost 0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:48.920 Face record with the backwards record. Shit. Oh god, yo 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.879 almost now I literally almost crashed my card that ship. 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:54.160 Like you know, I just like I said, that's that 0:35:54.320 --> 0:36:02.120 was a question. But it's like it's remember remember I 0:36:02.160 --> 0:36:05.520 don't I know you remember this look Sometimes at the 0:36:05.560 --> 0:36:08.680 block party mm hm, the DJ throw something on and 0:36:08.760 --> 0:36:14.160 somebody get punched in the face. That's how hip hop was, 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:14.440 you know. 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:18.160 For this podcast, a lot of those that have been 0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:22.840 privy to going to Latin Quarter would tell me that 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:29.120 when Steti Sonics goes, Stetsa comes on exactly that man, Yo, run. 0:36:31.160 --> 0:36:32.240 Run exactly. 0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:38.400 My third joint, probably my all time favorite Wu Tang 0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:43.720 Cannon song, is the stomp by ODB. 0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.480 To this day, like he started the foundation of that 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.360 beat though he so so od B he bought that 0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.360 beat to me. I got him an as r. He 0:36:56.520 --> 0:37:00.960 made four beats in his life, okay, right, or four 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.160 that he played me, and this was one of them, 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:06.319 you know what I'm saying. And I was like, all right, 0:37:06.360 --> 0:37:08.239 and all I did was after beats and you know, 0:37:08.280 --> 0:37:13.160 a few souschool but that group too too. Toom Zoom 0:37:13.480 --> 0:37:18.359 doom the boat. I put that little thing in there 0:37:18.360 --> 0:37:21.640 that's to add to it. But that was the total groove. 0:37:21.760 --> 0:37:25.120 It's total rhythm and Brooklyn's dowers. Well, people don't give 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.600 od B the credit for that either. To Mask get 0:37:27.680 --> 0:37:30.800 most of the credit, and I get some credit for 0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.120 it too, But no, od b Uh, he only made 0:37:34.120 --> 0:37:37.719 a few beats, even though he was a human beat box. 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:39.640 He could have made a hundred beats, but he just 0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:42.200 he was the equipment, you know what I mean. And 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:44.759 ship but that's one of them. So I'm glad to 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:45.680 hear that that's one of. 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:50.719 My last one. And again it's only because when we 0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:58.640 were living in London, broke, hungry, borderline depressed. We have 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:01.040 a way different relations and shit with Ta Cal than 0:38:01.080 --> 0:38:03.360 you did, like and I know Metha always says like 0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.960 I hate that album, but that album kept our sanity. 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:08.759 Like we were living in London at the time when 0:38:09.080 --> 0:38:13.760 just like all you had there was no internet, no streaming, 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.120 so you were forced to listen to against your will 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:24.760 like I'm a scatman and like just all of whatever. 0:38:24.800 --> 0:38:26.600 It was on pop radio at the time, so we 0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:33.200 just always kept but PLO style on to Cal was 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:40.479 like that was you know what, actually, you know, it's weird. 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:44.880 There was one time, I'll say like maybe around ninety 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:51.280 four ninety five we were basically pick a Western European 0:38:51.320 --> 0:38:55.359 country and stay there for a month and just hit 0:38:55.480 --> 0:38:59.239 every city, every club and whatnot. There was one time 0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:02.400 when we played in the south of France, and this 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:06.560 is how sneaky pre internet life was. There was a 0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:15.080 crew in France that basically committed the entire to Cal, 0:39:15.200 --> 0:39:19.720 the entire built for Cuba Links and the entire returned 0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:24.239 to the thirty six chambers and we sat backstage, We're like, yo, 0:39:24.440 --> 0:39:30.160 these motherfuckers are actually doing the whole entire thirty album 0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:32.280 from start to fit, as if it was their joints, 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.480 Like I know these lyrics from somewhere, and you know 0:39:35.600 --> 0:39:37.880 they use other instrumentals and try it, but the audience 0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:45.879 didn't know any better. I mean, two of your most 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:52.799 eccentric creations I'm obsessed with. First one, how did black 0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:53.759 Shampoo come to be? 0:39:57.120 --> 0:40:01.960 Fucking uh? I think that's the coast well right right, 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:03.840 So I think it was I think the machines, but 0:40:04.480 --> 0:40:07.919 you you know, I knew the lyric. He had the lyric, 0:40:08.080 --> 0:40:10.719 and so I was like, fuck it, let him loose 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:14.120 on it. It was definitely very It was that, to 0:40:14.239 --> 0:40:16.080 be honest with you, it was Black Shampoo. And there's 0:40:16.080 --> 0:40:19.759 another one that wasn't on the American album called sun Shower. 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:23.640 Wait sun Showered from wait that ghost released? 0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:26.120 Or no no, not the Sun with slip Wick and 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:26.400 all that. 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:30.640 Okay, no, no, no, I'm talking about son Showers the 0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:35.480 Power Nope, because there's a ghost version of Okay. 0:40:35.560 --> 0:40:35.880 It's one. 0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:36.279 It's one. 0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:38.040 It was on a Who Tank Forever album, but only 0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.239 on the European person Okay, I'm not understand that that. 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.160 In Black Sampool were two of the last tracks and 0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:47.800 it was kind of at the time, I think I 0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:48.560 was really. 0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.520 Falling into Bobby Digital creatively, right. 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.960 You know that we recorded Whutank Forever and the Grave 0:40:56.040 --> 0:40:57.840 Digger second album at the same time. You know that. 0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:00.600 I didn't know that he did it. Okay. 0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:03.719 I had everybody live in La well for at least 0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:05.440 two months. He mus a ping pon, but we had 0:41:05.440 --> 0:41:07.560 to stay in LA for two months. Grave Biggas came out, 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.239 We had an American studio, had the whole shit locked down. 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:14.160 I was just going to room the room making both albums, 0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:17.080 you know what I mean. So I think, and then 0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:18.839 at the end of the day, Bobby Isuel was coming. 0:41:18.920 --> 0:41:24.200 So I think that I started like stop sampling and 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.239 started playing all of the machines and black Wool as 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:30.480 a result of that, and you got a lyric, you know, 0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:31.919 some baby oil shit. 0:41:32.000 --> 0:41:32.200 You know. 0:41:33.840 --> 0:41:34.919 We got it. Okay. 0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:37.640 Yeah, I was gonna say in your second most eccentric 0:41:37.719 --> 0:41:40.560 beat that I'm obsessed with how many people ask you 0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:45.040 about the Guitar Center commercial. Oh shit, you don't understand, yo, 0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:50.279 there's an obsession with trying to figure out like it's 0:41:50.360 --> 0:41:52.000 so wild and crazy. 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:55.680 I don't remember it told me, but I knew you 0:41:55.719 --> 0:41:56.320 weren't aware of it. 0:41:56.480 --> 0:42:01.520 There is an underground society of beat makers that like, 0:42:01.600 --> 0:42:04.520 I'm trying to get my boys Jroe Elliott right now, 0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.360 who's in the roots to like flip it? Like you 0:42:08.560 --> 0:42:10.360 you remember you doing a demonstration beat. 0:42:10.320 --> 0:42:11.880 Up on the spot of some shit on that on 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:15.640 the spot, right. I remember Dallas Foston had made this 0:42:15.760 --> 0:42:19.200 machine called the beat Thing. Right. It was the first 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:23.880 machine that I saw that had a battery power for 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.120 two three hours, meaning you can make the beats on 0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:30.279 the plane on the plane and exactly right. And so 0:42:31.280 --> 0:42:33.400 you know I bought it, yes for that. I never 0:42:33.520 --> 0:42:36.239 released a song from it or nothing. But it's just 0:42:36.400 --> 0:42:39.080 like I'm on a play. I'm not wasting just messing around, right, 0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:42.080 I get it. And then that Good Talk Center I 0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:43.880 remember him talking. I said, you gotta bother that s 0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:47.040 was just this ship and you can just do this ship. Yeah, 0:42:47.200 --> 0:42:49.560 I don't remember the beat at all, bru. 0:42:49.800 --> 0:42:54.480 There's a whole underground society trying to figure out because 0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:58.719 you know, the crazier your beats are. It's like we 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.680 just sit and try to analyze that ship, like try 0:43:01.760 --> 0:43:02.399 to figure it out. 0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:05.279 But even if it's ugly appreciated. 0:43:05.760 --> 0:43:09.439 No when it's ugly and stinking and unorthodox, it's even 0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.520 better for me. You know, I don't I don't consider 0:43:12.640 --> 0:43:13.960 like a good song bat song. 0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:16.879 It's just like us Thomas doing the dog. 0:43:18.200 --> 0:43:18.399 Yes. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:23.600 Absolutely, of the many disciples that also like co produce 0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:28.239 what you who's the disciple of your arsenal of or 0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:33.560 your generals of producers that you worked with that later 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:36.360 went to, you know, Helm for the projects, not like 0:43:36.560 --> 0:43:38.279 which which ones? Do you feel like? 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:38.799 Really? 0:43:41.040 --> 0:43:44.680 I mean, I'm not trying to make it play favorite. 0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.000 So I can pat those bumpers down a little bit 0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.959 from my you know, from the avid seat. Look, first 0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:53.239 of all, I think fourth had the most potential. I'm 0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:57.000 gonna say something my Foult disciples, you know, for those times. 0:43:57.040 --> 0:43:59.000 I don't know how as Tom said, but during that 0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.240 time period he didn't have a lot of records. 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:06.600 He made his collection of beats and songs almost from 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:07.120 one crate. 0:44:07.760 --> 0:44:08.920 Okay, you know what I mean. 0:44:09.640 --> 0:44:15.280 This one create that he had contained one hundred tracks 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.799 for him. They have sample Love Story four or five, 0:44:20.160 --> 0:44:23.320 maybe even ten times for his catalog. You see what 0:44:23.320 --> 0:44:25.840 I mean? Because of really the way he did it, 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:30.680 the pieces that excited him or the rendition of the 0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.800 version of that song, you know what I mean. So 0:44:33.960 --> 0:44:37.279 I think he was very special, but yet don't have 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:40.719 a lot of material. True Master, I think, who was 0:44:40.800 --> 0:44:44.600 already making beats and you know he was hanging with us, 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.160 hanging with Premier. You know, he introduced us to Premier. 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.640 You know, I knew Keep before that. But but True Master, 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:55.359 I think if you listen to True Master tracks, he's 0:44:55.520 --> 0:44:58.600 I think he's the most consistent at staying at a 0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:01.759 sound right. He stays at that. 0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.160 He did fish I think, yeah, I know you did 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:08.239 fish on on on Goods joint. You've been warned, and 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:10.839 he did a Brooklyn Zoo too correct. 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:16.200 Yeah, exactly got it. So he's consistent with like it's 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.000 going to be hip hop, it's going to sound like 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.479 it ain't going to sound too far fetched on the left, 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.399 you know what I mean. But then the brother who 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.600 I think put the most time into it is the 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:29.279 fifth the last people who is Mathematics. You know, he 0:45:29.600 --> 0:45:33.879 he he came in late, but he never stopped. He's 0:45:33.920 --> 0:45:36.320 still you know, right now, Mathill dropped some ship on 0:45:36.400 --> 0:45:38.120 you right now, and it's like, yo, you know tu 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:40.560 Mass has sent me a few tracks recently and for 0:45:40.680 --> 0:45:43.040 something he wanted me to, you know, help him with 0:45:43.160 --> 0:45:46.320 and and you know it sounds like I said, he's consistent. 0:45:46.880 --> 0:45:51.239 But math Math can make a stacks album with musicians 0:45:51.320 --> 0:45:52.759 and make it sound like a Wu Tang thing. 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:57.360 I believe. He said in an interview that trailing Quentin 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:03.960 Tarantino for Kill Bill prepared you for your your directing debut, 0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.520 Man with the Iron Fists. What's it like to work 0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:09.280 with Eli Roth? Because I only know Eli Roth because 0:46:10.040 --> 0:46:14.200 he makes one of the most disturbing, uh you know, 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.200 her afflicts of all time? 0:46:17.760 --> 0:46:21.080 So well, first of all, in Man with the Iron Fist, 0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:25.760 Man Eli, we laughed because I vote the first draft myself. 0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:28.200 But I was still you know, at the at the 0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.839 I won't say novice level. I was at the intermediate level. 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:36.000 I wasn't good enough to really write a whole movie. 0:46:36.360 --> 0:46:39.160 I was getting there, you know, for so let's just 0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:42.600 say this was my college sheet. But I needed help. 0:46:42.960 --> 0:46:45.040 And Eli you know, he used to always be at 0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:47.200 Clinton House. You know, we watched a lot of movies together. 0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:50.560 I considered him a classmate. It's like four of us, 0:46:50.680 --> 0:46:53.160 you know, like maybe Edgar Wrighter be up there, you 0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:57.640 know what I mean. So he, you know, helped me finish, 0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.440 help me write now with the Iron Fists, and because 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:02.840 I got it written, I was ready to direct it. 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:05.200 But the funny thing is, as a writer and we 0:47:05.320 --> 0:47:06.880 did the film, it was like some of the stuff 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:11.440 that is gry, like he'll, I say, they're gonna. 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:13.040 Blame him for it in Mail Dyan Fense, like they 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:14.279 chop his arms off, all that shit. 0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:18.080 No, and then some of the stuff that was actually 0:47:19.520 --> 0:47:23.920 funny and soft it was him, which is interesting because 0:47:24.280 --> 0:47:25.759 exactly it doesn't make right. 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:26.280 Exactly. 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.399 Funny thing is, you know, don't forget I'm a grave. 0:47:29.960 --> 0:47:30.360 I got you. 0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:34.200 But the thing, you know, startying with Quinn was a blessing. 0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:35.600 That's got to say that. You know a lot of 0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:38.600 people got to go to college, uh and get there 0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:41.520 and get their education. I was blessed to get it through. 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:43.759 I'm gonna just use this world as a definition of it. 0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.000 Do apprenticeship, you know what I mean. I was willing 0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.080 to sit beside great masters. You know, every every time 0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:50.640 I acted in the film, like you know, when I 0:47:50.680 --> 0:47:53.759 was an American gangster, I'm sitting beside really scott y know, 0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:56.319 and being the resid helps you know what I mean 0:47:56.760 --> 0:47:58.920 meaning like I'm not doing some bomb some bare related 0:47:59.040 --> 0:48:01.560 like you know what I mean. Right, I traveled well 0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:04.840 you know, not to use money here by my multimillionaires, 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.560 so it's not like I need anything, right, So so yeah, 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:10.520 I could beat you in Italy, you know what I mean? 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:11.560 And we could talk about it. 0:48:12.120 --> 0:48:15.759 So what was camp Quinton like? Because for me, one 0:48:15.800 --> 0:48:18.279 of the things I'd like to do the most if 0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:21.360 I ever have free time. I love going to his 0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:24.680 two movie theaters. I always go to New Beverly Nice, 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:28.200 like I'm always. I'm always because his collection is just 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:32.960 the illness as far as but I know that studying 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:36.080 under him, and he's so like he likes the energy 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:38.719 of creative people. Like what was the whole process like 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:41.080 with kill Bill? How do they call you? 0:48:41.320 --> 0:48:45.000 And well, like you said, his movie theaters before his 0:48:45.160 --> 0:48:45.960 movie theaters. 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:50.120 It was his house, right, all those prints he would 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:52.439 show him at his home and invite his friends over, 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:55.240 you know what I mean? And I was amongst those friends. 0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:59.920 And then I was, you know, brave enough or humbling 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.160 enough to be like, y, can you teach me? You know? 0:49:02.160 --> 0:49:04.680 I want to learn? And him also he doesn't know 0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:06.799 how to use music equipment. But he's a very musical guy. 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.480 He could have been a music producer based on him here, 0:49:10.400 --> 0:49:11.759 you know what I mean. So he was like, okay, 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:14.680 share you share that knowledge. And so we shared knowledge 0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:18.040 with each other and sportship, friendship and spent a lot 0:49:18.080 --> 0:49:21.480 of time together. But the time is. If you want 0:49:21.520 --> 0:49:24.600 to make movies, then watch movies. If you want to 0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:27.879 write books, then read books. Right, want to write a movie, 0:49:28.040 --> 0:49:32.359 then study scripts. I bought fifty scripts just to read them. 0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:36.480 I'm like, I'm reading Breakfast the Tiffany's you know what 0:49:36.520 --> 0:49:38.719 I mean, I'm reading the Breakfast Club. Fuck it. I 0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:42.000 read both of them, right, because these are successful scripts, 0:49:42.520 --> 0:49:44.040 you know what I mean. And then at the end 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:45.600 of the day, though, I also get to you know, 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:49.080 like before kill Bill was finished, you know, he read 0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:50.800 it to me parts of it, and then when it 0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:52.440 was finished, he gave me a copy, you know what 0:49:52.440 --> 0:49:56.160 I mean. You know Jango I was writing now nine 0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:58.560 is while he was writing Jangos, he was on page forty. 0:49:58.600 --> 0:50:01.840 I was on page ninety. So I was blessed and 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:03.719 Eli as well, you know what I mean. It was 0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:07.160 it was you know that crew, Elvis Mitchell, you know 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:10.360 a certain crew with people and all that knowledge, and 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.719 me I was sponging the knowledge like I was. 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:15.719 I was allowing the knowledge to sponge on me. 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:18.640 Take it and the doorb it uh and then just 0:50:18.680 --> 0:50:21.840 give you one idea of how something like how a 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:22.360 day would go. 0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.920 It was like, yeah, I got I'm doing a double 0:50:25.960 --> 0:50:27.640 feature tonight, you know what I mean? 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:32.040 It could be uh, Paul Mazerke's film, right, fucking you 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:35.279 know what I mean, Chris Christofferson's fucking four films or 0:50:35.360 --> 0:50:39.400 something like we're gonna do Convoy and maybe casting over 0:50:39.520 --> 0:50:42.719 Wong one of his joints, right, And so I'm like cool, 0:50:43.239 --> 0:50:46.160 and and so we go and watch them. You know, 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:48.640 we've watched so many films. The Queen was such a 0:50:49.520 --> 0:50:54.120 film cinephile, right, Yeah, that he had thirty five million 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:55.520 to print, so you watched it in a big d 0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:57.760 that's one thing. But then he had sixty milli plints. 0:50:58.120 --> 0:50:59.320 So now that means you got to watch it in 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:04.000 the living room, right, what it's going the morning? Now? 0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:07.840 Who tapped out? Who made it? For the next one? Me? 0:51:09.200 --> 0:51:11.960 I I'm you know, we hipot that's studio time. But 0:51:12.040 --> 0:51:14.239 us I got older, I could go to six in 0:51:14.280 --> 0:51:16.920 the morning, and then he had all the books and 0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.879 that that he allowed access to, like yeah, you want 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:22.239 to take a book, the book whatever, you know what 0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:23.200 I mean, you. 0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:29.400 Know, yeah, yeah, like that to me is that's the dream, 0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:33.680 like for real, like I love old archives and movies 0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:35.920 like i'm I'm I was. I was so envious that 0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:39.480 you had access to that man. That's that's I. 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:42.040 Would say something about him real quick too, so people would, 0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:44.840 you know, just for sometimes people like he says this 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.680 world and this movies a lot and all that, and 0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:52.000 it's like this hospitality. It's like, you know, my brother freedom, 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:54.560 my younger brother. You know, there's some time and all that. 0:51:55.520 --> 0:51:59.520 You know, even if I wasn't in town and Quinn 0:51:59.560 --> 0:52:01.600 was sewing movie, you'll let my brother come and watch 0:52:01.640 --> 0:52:03.120 it with him and give him a room to spend 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:03.400 the night. 0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.600 And freedom is straight up. And it's just like when 0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:09.520 you family, you family and. 0:52:09.600 --> 0:52:11.600 If you know. And that's so he was the godfather, 0:52:12.280 --> 0:52:13.320 you know what I mean. It was he was the 0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:15.879 abbot of film for me, you know what I mean. 0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:17.880 And I would come with my peoples and he always 0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:22.480 had supreme hospitality and and also always would give us 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.399 a little bit of wisdom. You know, remember one day 0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:28.800 one of my mans that got murdered, and this was 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:30.600 the night that we had a plan to do something 0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:34.000 together and I was gonna you know, I came because 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:34.680 I said I'll be there. 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.960 So I got there, I said, I'm actually don't. 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:38.600 I don't want to go. I got you know, I 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:40.759 got a problem I gotta deal with. So what you're 0:52:40.760 --> 0:52:43.080 talking about? Hold on? Hold on? We playing this ship 0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.080 like a month ago, right, So I'm like, yeah, so 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:48.880 hold on, let me make your margama to talk about it. 0:52:48.880 --> 0:52:50.480 And I sold. So we talked about the problem, like yeah, 0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:54.279 my man that and so you know, maybe I don't know, right, 0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:58.719 Bong bong, right, yeah, and also deal with some things, right, 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:02.560 he said, hold on the miss playing style to you said, 0:53:02.600 --> 0:53:07.360 you gotta understand. You said you're up here, right, and 0:53:07.440 --> 0:53:10.799 there's not a lot of people from your community, from 0:53:10.840 --> 0:53:14.239 your generation, from your culture that's up here. Say you're 0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:16.680 up here just so that you can reach down and 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:20.160 pour somebody else up. That's why you're here, so you 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:22.680 can always be able to reach down and pour somebody 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:26.319 up if you ever go down. There's nobody up here 0:53:26.360 --> 0:53:29.080 that can reach down. M You know what I mean, 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:30.520 so keep moving up here. 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:33.360 That's kind of what I want to close with. You know, 0:53:33.680 --> 0:53:38.840 I've been studying you, and this is kind of what 0:53:39.000 --> 0:53:44.000 I brought up the last episode for you personally. And 0:53:44.080 --> 0:53:47.000 I feel like there's a few of us that, you know, 0:53:47.160 --> 0:53:51.360 when we make it, there is a survivor's guilt that 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:55.800 sort of overshadows us a little bit. How do you 0:53:56.000 --> 0:53:59.320 deal with the idea of survivor's guilt or the idea 0:53:59.320 --> 0:54:03.120 of like, not everyone can come with you that sometimes 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:07.600 you have to save yourself, put your own oxygen mask 0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:11.600 on first before you can help other people. 0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.440 At the end of the day, I do help, right, 0:54:14.120 --> 0:54:17.520 I continue, you know, you know, that's just what we 0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.600 we gotta do that because that's that's part of our blessing. 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:23.839 Right at minimum that just use the Bible on this one. 0:54:24.640 --> 0:54:27.960 At minimum, you got ten percent times, you know what 0:54:27.960 --> 0:54:31.399 I mean. So at minimum, you know, so I start 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:35.279 to compartmentalize it. You know, I have my wife, you know, 0:54:35.560 --> 0:54:38.200 as a good head on her shoulder, and I have 0:54:38.360 --> 0:54:41.080 my older sister, and sometimes we'll choose who to help. 0:54:41.840 --> 0:54:44.000 Who've been helped five times already? All right, that's the 0:54:44.040 --> 0:54:46.759 fifth time. Let them go, you know, what I mean, 0:54:47.040 --> 0:54:50.400 But we all here to help believe that and know that, right. 0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:53.759 And the blessing though, hope, I hope you feel the same, 0:54:55.160 --> 0:54:57.320 is that sometimes you do go out to the world 0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:01.200 and you see, you know, whether it's homeless people. You know. 0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:04.239 I remember lying with Jay one day and we got 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.080 to a light and he stopped the call your old 0:55:06.120 --> 0:55:09.319 stop stop stop and going down this windows just pulled 0:55:09.320 --> 0:55:11.000 out from under his getting some homeless that all right, 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:16.040 go you know what I mean? And yeah, I do 0:55:16.120 --> 0:55:18.000 the same shit. That's what that's why, it's my man 0:55:18.480 --> 0:55:21.399 and whatever. But it's like I've seen the natural I've 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.120 seen goes through the same thing. Right, It's that's how 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:26.600 we are, That's how. But the beauty of it is 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:31.319 that because we deal with hopefully we deal with all 0:55:31.360 --> 0:55:36.239 the stress and the and the obligatory thing of helping others, uh, 0:55:36.440 --> 0:55:38.799 the pressure of family needing. 0:55:38.560 --> 0:55:42.600 Help a lot and not never satisfied. 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:45.920 Because you may help them five times, they won ten times, right, 0:55:47.280 --> 0:55:50.320 But then you're still able to go home to your peace. 0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.200 If I wasn't able to go home, you know what 0:55:54.200 --> 0:55:55.440 I mean, Like if I go back to East and 0:55:55.480 --> 0:55:57.680 I go to the room mansion, that ship is in 0:55:57.760 --> 0:56:00.680 the woods. Bro it's quiet. So I go back to 0:56:00.760 --> 0:56:05.200 that temple. Then I'm able to calm my shit down, reevaluate, 0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:08.759 and go back out again. So the best way I 0:56:08.800 --> 0:56:11.000 can say that is that you gotta be able to 0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:14.799 plug them back into yourself right. And then the last 0:56:14.840 --> 0:56:18.480 thing I say is that at this age, I realize 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:21.200 that really helping people don't mean giving them no money. 0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:24.200 You know, that's the first that they want, you know 0:56:24.239 --> 0:56:26.719 what I mean, That's not what they need, you know 0:56:26.719 --> 0:56:29.759 what I mean? The money, it's almost. 0:56:29.520 --> 0:56:31.680 Like it's like food, You're gonna eat it and ship 0:56:31.719 --> 0:56:32.000 it out. 0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:35.719 You know. They need to know how to fast, They 0:56:35.800 --> 0:56:38.759 need to know something else. And at this age, I've 0:56:38.800 --> 0:56:44.200 been doing that more, you know, like striv into like Okay, hey, 0:56:44.560 --> 0:56:46.120 I'm gonna give them a little blessing. 0:56:46.200 --> 0:56:48.239 But now help people now. But now I got to. 0:56:48.640 --> 0:56:50.919 Now let me hit them with this. If they don't 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:55.000 take this after I gave them this, then that means 0:56:55.040 --> 0:56:58.400 they don't want me. They want this, and they go 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:02.439 better go find that someone else. Because money, uh, money 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:04.600 is something that you bless your family with. But I 0:57:04.680 --> 0:57:10.239 will say this too, money is something that is earned. Man. 0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.440 It's It's something that is earned. If you don't earn it, 0:57:14.520 --> 0:57:15.719 you know what I mean, you will never know the 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:16.600 value of it. 0:57:18.040 --> 0:57:22.040 There it is, brother, Thank you, brother, Thank you. I 0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:24.600 appreciate you. This is a Quest Love Supreme our our 0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:29.840 Part two conversation with Riza uh Man of Renaissance. And 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:33.080 you know, I'm not even going to ask you what 0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:34.760 do you have next down the pipe because I know 0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:36.680 You're always going to have something down the pipe. But 0:57:37.320 --> 0:57:41.280 thank you man for for just years of blessing us 0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:42.040 and inspiring us. 0:57:42.120 --> 0:57:42.240 Man. 0:57:42.320 --> 0:57:44.720 I appreciate that. 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