Speaker 1: A student popular football player Evil child Lester signing to
Speaker 1: descended Gil who I've never woken up in the morning
Speaker 1: and wondered, did we get the wrong guy? This trial
Speaker 1: was a sham. There's been an outcry. He was absolutely guilt.
Speaker 1: They got it wrong. Initially I was pretty confessed as
Speaker 1: in a sence. Now I wouldn't be surprised either way.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to a special quarantine edition. We got a
Speaker 1: real special guys. What's up with your brodyach with the
Speaker 1: virtual handshake? Oh tell you something that I never told
Speaker 1: no about it? I want to smoke. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: another quarantine addition of all the smoke, I'm excited about
Speaker 1: this one. This is this is this is the A
Speaker 1: list edition. Like I mean, I I think we all
Speaker 1: did ourselves here. Jack Ship, Yeah, man, I can't believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, go ahead and introduce me. Let's get it
Speaker 1: your started. You can't even spit that ship out. I
Speaker 1: know you can't get it out. I ain't gotta lick
Speaker 1: my lips and nothing. I'm ready to go and they
Speaker 1: get ready to go. All right, man, Welcome or the
Speaker 1: greatest hottest actors of our generation. Uhrind sitting ground Yeah,
Speaker 1: groundbreaking musician, jack of all trades, if you don't mind
Speaker 1: me using that term. Welcome Jamie Fox. Thanks for the
Speaker 1: chiming on. Man, come on, you ain't gonna do all that, man,
Speaker 1: hold on, we gotta the rest of the world gotta know, man,
Speaker 1: you man, you left out super party thrower. Man, what
Speaker 1: I still got? Chicks I talked to that I met
Speaker 1: at your party? Was that ten years ago? How long ago? Throw?
Speaker 1: Ten years ago, don't matter? About two years ago, you know?
Speaker 1: And you came in all the smooth and light skilled, smooth.
Speaker 1: I've remember the legendary session we had in your studio. Yeah, man, singing, rapping,
Speaker 1: smoking stupids in there. Yeah man, you but you know
Speaker 1: that's that's really kind of hard. How I got into
Speaker 1: the business like throwing throwing parties, man, Like back in
Speaker 1: the day, like I had just got on this little
Speaker 1: show called and Living Color back in the day, dog,
Speaker 1: and I wasn't, I wasn't nobody. But like I talked
Speaker 1: to this girl, really pretty, and I said, how do
Speaker 1: I get people to come to my party? She said, Jamie,
Speaker 1: throw parties. Invite the girls, but don't put no pressure
Speaker 1: on that's what you mean. She don't put no pressure
Speaker 1: on and make sure they can have a good time.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, relaxed, I said, cool, So
Speaker 1: I throw this little it was a Halloween party, dog,
Speaker 1: and I went all out. I spent like eight hundred
Speaker 1: dollars I had, I had catered, you know back then
Speaker 1: that's early not I went all out and went all
Speaker 1: out dog. And then like it was a Halloween party,
Speaker 1: like Tim thirty was, nobody had to create. I said, damn,
Speaker 1: I don't blew it. I don't spend all this morning,
Speaker 1: got barbecue whatever funk And then like them thirty, they
Speaker 1: started rolling in and then that's yo, Yo came back
Speaker 1: in the day all of you know, all the casts
Speaker 1: was coming. But I was wondering who big was gonna
Speaker 1: show up to stamp the party. And I'm looking outside
Speaker 1: and this motherfucking black what is it? N nexs the
Speaker 1: what's that the black Excess? What's that car? Uh? The Nissa?
Speaker 1: What was the Nissan Excess? And the ex Yeah, that
Speaker 1: black whatever the funk? That was black ass car? Think
Speaker 1: the ship was rich looking. And Wesley Snipes got out
Speaker 1: the room and came to my this is the you
Speaker 1: know the thing. It came up here here party is
Speaker 1: going on. So that started like this tradition man of
Speaker 1: like just getting everybody in the in the in the
Speaker 1: same place. Man, and I would invite. I would invite
Speaker 1: musical people because I wanted to get into music too.
Speaker 1: I would invite music people to the crib. So when
Speaker 1: you saw snooping all them, that was just like part
Speaker 1: of what I had been doing since ship man. I remember.
Speaker 1: I remember the biggest one was in two thousand and
Speaker 1: we had h That's when Puff was hot. Puff was like,
Speaker 1: you know on this ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: This nigga would come to l A and shut all
Speaker 1: the clubs down and we couldn't even get in our
Speaker 1: own club that type ship. And so I threw this.
Speaker 1: It was a house party. And Puffy threw a party
Speaker 1: for like a million dollars in Philly, and I was
Speaker 1: I used to follow him with a camera said he said,
Speaker 1: you play boy, it's part of a million dollars. Like,
Speaker 1: what the funk a million? That was for a party?
Speaker 1: I said, Puck, I threw a party in l A
Speaker 1: for four hundred dollars. That a arrival. That all right
Speaker 1: with his part, and he got mad he's they're gonna play.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm just saying, man, you know. So he
Speaker 1: comes to l A. He gets here, Uh, he calls
Speaker 1: me like a Saturday morning. He said, Yo, play one,
Speaker 1: make that ship happen. So I called up you know
Speaker 1: me and Dave Brown called us from Girls or whatever
Speaker 1: like that, and I have a little small house like
Speaker 1: over there in a in a band all of them
Speaker 1: and show about twelve new When I called him, I said, bro,
Speaker 1: you better get here. His fever pitch. And when he
Speaker 1: got there, he walks in, he said, that's the girl
Speaker 1: from that show. And that's the girl from that movie.
Speaker 1: And that's like said, yeah, yeah, we all know each other.
Speaker 1: But look on the table. I got Kentucky fried chicken.
Speaker 1: I got Coca cola in a in a in a
Speaker 1: in a picture. I said, were two hundred and eight dollars.
Speaker 1: And it's a fever pitch. And at that at that point,
Speaker 1: it was everybody. Missy had a room, Missy Elliot had
Speaker 1: a room. Missy was hot. But then it was a
Speaker 1: dude standing on the standing on the wall. DI did
Speaker 1: nobody know who who he was? Guess who it was?
Speaker 1: He had attracted Jack, don't guess it was. It was
Speaker 1: Jay z. Well, nobody knew who he was. And I
Speaker 1: walked up to him and said, nice party. It's crazy
Speaker 1: like all time and said he it's crazy. So he
Speaker 1: was in for real? Was there? So that tradition? We
Speaker 1: just keep it rolling. You put that on. I mean,
Speaker 1: hands down, this motherfucker. It's crazy. It's craziest. Nice party,
Speaker 1: like the short term, it's crazy crazy. Talking about Jackie
Speaker 1: talking about is this part he wants you to first,
Speaker 1: I'm laughing. I'm laughing. I'm laughing because every time I
Speaker 1: see you do impersonation, Bro, I just think of rotting
Speaker 1: the earl of bones. Bro's gonna be all right, he said,
Speaker 1: he blazed to get burned on. I understanding you can
Speaker 1: get burned. Hey, Steve Stephen, I owe you something, though, Man,
Speaker 1: what's that I've been stealing from you? Bro? What's that
Speaker 1: I've been stealing? You don't? You don't even know? Look,
Speaker 1: you know I'm steal I'm steal in YOUM dog trying
Speaker 1: to hoot, uh huh. And you know I would have
Speaker 1: made it to the league. Just my calf must gotta
Speaker 1: hand on calf. But check this. Every time we're battling
Speaker 1: and I got the ball and it's it's it's last shot.
Speaker 1: You know what I say, pressure, I make a lot
Speaker 1: of pressure. I make a lot of what a shirt saying,
Speaker 1: don't make a move to Bro. I told Matt you
Speaker 1: tell a story, man. I told Matt you told me
Speaker 1: at the game, at the little games, like Jack, I
Speaker 1: was walking like, what's up, Jam. I was just happy
Speaker 1: to see him. You know what I'm saying. You put
Speaker 1: me your sides like Bro, the game was going on. Man.
Speaker 1: He walked behind the bench and pulled me to the
Speaker 1: side while he was coaching the game. He's like, look, Bro,
Speaker 1: I don't know what you got going on, but I'll
Speaker 1: make a lot of pressure. We need you need to
Speaker 1: make T shirts what a T shirt said right now?
Speaker 1: Right now? But but befriend But tell a story though,
Speaker 1: because I'll be telling people. It was. It was just
Speaker 1: tell a story about there was a scheme, what you
Speaker 1: would have done in that situation. Yeah, it was a reporter.
Speaker 1: It was a reporter and uh it was I was
Speaker 1: I made a lot of big shots with the Spurs
Speaker 1: and uh. And it was asked me like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you fis your first time in these moments, you know,
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And you've been dealing well with pressure.
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know what I'm from from part
Speaker 1: of texts we make love of pressure. Oh my almost
Speaker 1: almost to my shoe with nobody said that, and all
Speaker 1: the interviews that I've seen, that's the coolest ship in
Speaker 1: the world. The motherfucker say, I make loved of Look
Speaker 1: at I'm gonna make some shirts and seeing you on
Speaker 1: just so we can have just me. We're gonna make
Speaker 1: the shirts. We're gonna make the salk I made the pressure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't even want to make love? Do you want
Speaker 1: to make their production? Baby hare for time? Yeah? My
Speaker 1: motherfucking face her. We hadn't even started yet. God man, man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you. Let's get to it though. Man, only
Speaker 1: the second male in history to receive two Oscar nominations
Speaker 1: for two different movies, for African American to do it.
Speaker 1: The only other person do it was al Pacino. We
Speaker 1: know it was a grind, but in that moment, being
Speaker 1: that part of history, what did that mean to you?
Speaker 1: In order to get to that history, we had to
Speaker 1: go back or what I what I went through. You know,
Speaker 1: It's sort of like I referenced everything like sports, you know,
Speaker 1: being a rookie on a Living Color or with the winds.
Speaker 1: You know, I was like the eighth funniest person. Imagine
Speaker 1: walking into you the eight funniest person. It was. It
Speaker 1: was Keenan, it was it was Damon, it was the
Speaker 1: fucking Tommy Davison. And then motherfucker's was in incredible. So
Speaker 1: I had to learn how to really compete. And Keenan
Speaker 1: told me something man that I'll never forget. Keenan was
Speaker 1: tough on us, and you'll remember. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you'll remember this er because it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: back Back Colors, one of my favorite shows. Listen, when
Speaker 1: we was on that show, bro think about it. It
Speaker 1: was only twenty two minutes of airtime, so it was
Speaker 1: just like getting game time. So in order for you
Speaker 1: to get game time, and you had to beat Jim Carrett,
Speaker 1: beat that, Damon wins and and Keenan said, listen, man,
Speaker 1: as a black comedian, if you ain't great, you ain't ship,
Speaker 1: he said, so I'm gonna hold you all the greatness.
Speaker 1: So I just I just maintained that man, and and
Speaker 1: like like from doing the stand up comedy, trying to
Speaker 1: be great at that from from from watching Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: on stage, Like I snuck in and watched Eddie Murphy
Speaker 1: on stage. When I was nineteen, I watched Adam Sandler
Speaker 1: do his first gig, Chris Rock all that. So I
Speaker 1: just kept saying, if I could just beat the next
Speaker 1: montheruck in the room, I will always have a way
Speaker 1: to make my way through this business. And then finally, look, man, uh,
Speaker 1: Ray Charles came along. Uh that movie came on and
Speaker 1: it was like I had been preparing myself, not knowing
Speaker 1: that this movie was gonna come along. But my but
Speaker 1: but when I got with the director, the director was like,
Speaker 1: you know, when we first started working on Ray, first
Speaker 1: of all, I had to be a hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: seven times. Yeah, so I was so right now, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm walking around now because I'm getting ready to jump
Speaker 1: up to this Tyson thing. I'm all around there like
Speaker 1: two oh five. But I had to drop to one
Speaker 1: fifty seven. And then he was like, Okay, I got
Speaker 1: a problem. I said, I gotta be able to hold
Speaker 1: the camera on you, but I need somebody to play
Speaker 1: the piano for you. I said, no, man, my grandmother,
Speaker 1: you know, taught me how to play piano when I
Speaker 1: was five years old. So so I'm equipped, I'm ready
Speaker 1: to go get it. And now, mind you, nobody was
Speaker 1: really thinking about the movie Ray Charles. We wasn't thinking
Speaker 1: about that. It was an independent film. And then finally
Speaker 1: I meet Ray Charles and I had to I had
Speaker 1: to like really win him over, and I said, Mr Charles,
Speaker 1: I just want to do the best that I can
Speaker 1: to you know, to to to tell your story. And
Speaker 1: he's like, hey, you know what can you pay the blues?
Speaker 1: I said, uh, I said, what if you could play
Speaker 1: the blues? Fan, you can do anything. So we sat down.
Speaker 1: So we sat down on the piano, right, and we
Speaker 1: started playing the piano. So we're playing the blues and
Speaker 1: everything like that, and then I hit up. He moved
Speaker 1: into thelonious Month, which is right, real intricate, jash it
Speaker 1: and then I hit the wrong note and he got, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what the fun did you do that? I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I was just trying to keep up
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, the right notes man? You
Speaker 1: know that's and he said, that's what life is, taking
Speaker 1: your time to hit the right notes. So I finally
Speaker 1: played the piece right. He got up, slapped his leg,
Speaker 1: the kids got it and he walked out. So that
Speaker 1: preparation when we got into the movie was all I had.
Speaker 1: One of the problems was that I met Ray Charles
Speaker 1: while he was older. I needed the young Ray Charles,
Speaker 1: so I reached out to Quincy Jones. I go over
Speaker 1: to the Quincy house and said, hey, man, Shu, come
Speaker 1: on in here. Man, what are you trying to do? Man,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm trying to do all the Ray Charles
Speaker 1: said ship Man. It was the son of a bet
Speaker 1: from you know, I have all the kids to what
Speaker 1: he was doing, and he was a son of a
Speaker 1: bet for them. So I said, but I need to
Speaker 1: know the young Raychels. So he gave me a cassette tape.
Speaker 1: I could imagine that conversation alone, man, just sitting there
Speaker 1: talking to Quincy talking about, you know, what he did
Speaker 1: with Michael Jackson and Ussher and all that ship was
Speaker 1: just amazing. And he gave me that cassette tape. He said,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something on this tape. And on that tape
Speaker 1: people would probably have to google this, but it was
Speaker 1: a lady named Dinah Shore on there and she says, Hi,
Speaker 1: this is down the shore from the Donna Shore Show
Speaker 1: were two very wonderful musicians, and Mr Kenney Rogers and
Speaker 1: Mr Ray Charleston and in the back you hear, um,
Speaker 1: even when I'm so happy to be here, you know, Donn,
Speaker 1: I didn't even give me my music that you know.
Speaker 1: And then and then she asked him about the drugs.
Speaker 1: She said, we'll talk about the drugs, right, He's like,
Speaker 1: and he stopped, and so he started to like, you know,
Speaker 1: stumble and the fumble his words. So I took that
Speaker 1: as the DNA that every time he was met with
Speaker 1: something that was challenging, he was he was stuttering the movie.
Speaker 1: And so then we went on. We did the movie man,
Speaker 1: and after the movie came out, you've just seen every
Speaker 1: they flopped to it. It was like, you know, when
Speaker 1: I'm doing these characters, man, sometimes the characters have to
Speaker 1: like embody you. So I embody Ray and then it
Speaker 1: just caught fire and the next thing you know, um,
Speaker 1: we was on our way. You feel like that was
Speaker 1: your crowning moment, right like that was your welcome to
Speaker 1: kay I made it. Do you feel like an exhale
Speaker 1: with that? Well, I mean yeah, because the thing about
Speaker 1: it was is that it was nominated for Oscar, but
Speaker 1: it was nominated for something that was that was dope.
Speaker 1: You know how sometimes you get nominated or people get
Speaker 1: nominated in the character be a little off, like something
Speaker 1: that that ain't really like cool. This was something that
Speaker 1: everybody could rally around music. The Ray was a g
Speaker 1: he was he was dropping jams. He was saying things
Speaker 1: like what I'm making do what they do it? I mean,
Speaker 1: it was like all these things that was coming out.
Speaker 1: So it was you know, it was a moment of
Speaker 1: time that we all enjoyed. And it was black, you know,
Speaker 1: it was for us it was like a and but
Speaker 1: at the same time it was it was universal. And
Speaker 1: Dave Brown sitting here right here, showed your place that
Speaker 1: yo yo, yeah, okay whatever brand that's David. But the world,
Speaker 1: the world No Brian, now shout out Brian, Ye can't
Speaker 1: go life. But you know what, we kept it man
Speaker 1: during that time, man, we kept it show us like
Speaker 1: we was partying when people man uh like Like, as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, after the end of the um,
Speaker 1: when we got that, when we got the Oscar, right,
Speaker 1: we didn't go to the Governor's ball. We Dave threw
Speaker 1: a party for us and we just we just we
Speaker 1: we you know, we went over this way with the
Speaker 1: black folks winning the party. Motherfucker's grabbed the grabbed the
Speaker 1: oscar in my hand was taking pictures with that ship
Speaker 1: and smoking. I lost the motherfucker. I lost the motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I saw the oscar. It was so much weed and
Speaker 1: the motherfucking party was hide and they lost his lost
Speaker 1: his mother baits and ship. He was damn and I
Speaker 1: know this to do this ship. Yeah. Well, let's take
Speaker 1: it back to Man, to really where it all started.
Speaker 1: Born Eric Marlin Bishop, a Texas boy, government Texas boy,
Speaker 1: Texas boy. Yeah, Man, Texas man, it's Steve. You know
Speaker 1: what's that? You know it's about. Back back in the
Speaker 1: they had that California creac. They talked to him a
Speaker 1: little bit. I read on how you change the reason
Speaker 1: why you changed your your name? Uh, tell our fans
Speaker 1: what the reason behind changing from you know, your government
Speaker 1: name to Jamie. Yeah. What happened was that l a.
Speaker 1: It was like open mic night, so like I went
Speaker 1: on as Eric Bishop at at the comedy store. And
Speaker 1: that's back in the day. They were like on Monday nights. Bro.
Speaker 1: It was was crazy. You see, and you see different
Speaker 1: people out. You see like the young Tupac out, you
Speaker 1: see everybody out. Everybody would come out on money. I was,
Speaker 1: that's that's the trip. You know what I'm saying. We
Speaker 1: didn't know. We was hanging with legend. You see young
Speaker 1: Tupac out. I remember Tupac was hanging and he was like,
Speaker 1: damn n pop whatever. And I finally I get on stage.
Speaker 1: Right when I get on stage, like I see like
Speaker 1: you know, I'm straight from Texas, Steve. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't know l A. But everybody was dressed in blue.
Speaker 1: I was like, you your parts probably still starts down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But everybody was dressed in
Speaker 1: blue Steen but it was chrips. It was like, but
Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was, you know. And they said, nig,
Speaker 1: that's that's a crips. That's what the fun. So what
Speaker 1: then they say they you know, they come, they come
Speaker 1: to this motherfucker you know all the time. So what
Speaker 1: I did was I was watching the room and I
Speaker 1: went up and I did all of my person nations.
Speaker 1: But I did them like if there was a crip,
Speaker 1: Like what if? What if? What if? What if? Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1: What if Mike Tyson was a crips? I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: what's up? My then wait bout the champion's going crazy
Speaker 1: and ship right? And so after I get like this
Speaker 1: standing ovation, I come back the next week and they
Speaker 1: wouldn't let me on the stage because the comedians were
Speaker 1: running the list. So like for like a few weeks,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get back on. I was like, damn, what
Speaker 1: the fuck? So I go to this one Santa Monica
Speaker 1: Improv and I noticed that every time they had a
Speaker 1: open mic night, you know, ganga, it'll be a gang
Speaker 1: of dudes there, right, and only like five girls, but
Speaker 1: the five girls will always get on stage. So what
Speaker 1: I did on the list I wrote down all these
Speaker 1: unisex names like Stacy Green, Tracy Brown, Jamie Fox. And
Speaker 1: the dude picked Jamie Fox. As I was at this
Speaker 1: other place, he said, Jamie Fox, she here. I said, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's me. I was like, that's you. I said, yea,
Speaker 1: that's me right here, Jamie. Ni. What's so I go
Speaker 1: on stage? You know, I hit him. I hit him
Speaker 1: with the colleges to Bill Cosby crep all that ship
Speaker 1: I didn't and I was the only I was the
Speaker 1: only nigger doing Uh, I was doing Ronald Reagan impersonation,
Speaker 1: only black dude. Well, it is a matter of fact
Speaker 1: that killing the ship. So now they're shooting eating at
Speaker 1: the improv at that at that time, and I have
Speaker 1: a great set get to stand in ovation, and so
Speaker 1: they're like, Yo, that's that new kid, Jamie Fox. And
Speaker 1: so that's when it's stuck. And I had to get
Speaker 1: used to the name because they was like yelling out
Speaker 1: my name, said Jamie Jamie. But I wasn't paying on
Speaker 1: attention to him. So the next star, I was stuck up.
Speaker 1: But I had just got used to the name. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So that's how I changed the
Speaker 1: name up and the rest of that. Yeah, man talked
Speaker 1: a little bit present day. I mean we locked up
Speaker 1: right now. How are you in the family with what
Speaker 1: you got going on with the new norm? What's that
Speaker 1: for you? Man? Listen, man, I consider consider myself blessed
Speaker 1: at this time because you know, my whole family is healthy.
Speaker 1: When the first jumped off, I said, I got a feeling.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a Texas boy. I said, I got
Speaker 1: a feeling about this. I said, let's all get in
Speaker 1: the same place. Or all twelve of us got in
Speaker 1: the same place. We hunted down, we got what we needed,
Speaker 1: and uh, we've been we've been safe. Man. But you know,
Speaker 1: your heart goes out to everybody else. And I try
Speaker 1: to tell people all the time that even when it
Speaker 1: comes to our political figures, right, I try to because
Speaker 1: you know, we'll be on the phone with these guys
Speaker 1: and you know, and I know everybody, you know, I
Speaker 1: gotta done gigs for Republicans out of the gigs for Democrats.
Speaker 1: I'm a Democrat myself, But all I've been saying on
Speaker 1: the phone is just think about the common man. Just
Speaker 1: think about the common man constantly, like put yourself in
Speaker 1: like you know, everybody don't have. So in these next
Speaker 1: few weeks is really critical that we get the right information,
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to us when it comes to
Speaker 1: black folks, you know, because we're being misled and we're
Speaker 1: also being affected more than anybody. So you know, we're
Speaker 1: trying to just trying to stay calm, trying to keep
Speaker 1: that word out, trying to keep the positive energy, and
Speaker 1: trying to think about you know, the person that that's
Speaker 1: really out to struggle. How much you miss sports, and
Speaker 1: I know you play a lot. I know sports have
Speaker 1: been a big part of your life. How much you
Speaker 1: missing sports right now? Bro Steven is killing if we
Speaker 1: if we had the lot If it's one thing that's
Speaker 1: killing the lockdown, it is not being able to watch
Speaker 1: the basketball ship was heating up. It was so crazy.
Speaker 1: I think about think about what King James had just
Speaker 1: did them three games where he he loved Milwaukee, uh Clippers,
Speaker 1: who else he loves? But I think it was after
Speaker 1: that me he was on some ship. He was on
Speaker 1: some remarkable ship at uh at the year seventeen. So
Speaker 1: I was just watching that, like, man, I can't wait
Speaker 1: for this ship to playoffs. So you're missing that and
Speaker 1: now you're wondering are they gonna be able to I'm
Speaker 1: sure y'all know, are they gonna be able to come back?
Speaker 1: You know, that's what we don't know. But that but
Speaker 1: that was to me, that was like it was at
Speaker 1: the right time. I was like everybody on their games
Speaker 1: and it it was like the big boys was out
Speaker 1: to see Kauai. Uh to see uh uh Greek freak.
Speaker 1: Greek freak. That's what I'm saying, baby face the camera.
Speaker 1: I did say that to him one time. I funked up.
Speaker 1: I thought the Buckers with friends, I said, he said,
Speaker 1: what do you say, Man, I know you from somewhere
Speaker 1: over then there. That's all I know. Yeah, man, missing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: no big part. I mean, like you said, it's the
Speaker 1: best time, right, I mean, the playoffs would be going
Speaker 1: all right now. But like you said, there was so
Speaker 1: much parody in the league this season, and so many
Speaker 1: people wanted to see what that Laker Clipper playoff matchup
Speaker 1: was gonna be. Like, so I hope we can hopefully
Speaker 1: get there, Jackie all right over there, yeah, man, jack
Speaker 1: But I gotta feeling Hey, man, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: I gotta feeling on. He was about to he was
Speaker 1: about to make some history. Man. Let me ask you
Speaker 1: all this a player that is playing someone like Lebron
Speaker 1: James And now I'm watching the Michael Jordan's uh A documentary.
Speaker 1: The question is how hard is it now playing sports
Speaker 1: in the world with social media where the narratives are
Speaker 1: so crazy? Because when I look at Michael, he was
Speaker 1: so heralded man and well deserved. Do you think, I mean,
Speaker 1: how would that would have played out in modern daytimes
Speaker 1: and we'd have had social media. That's that's trying to
Speaker 1: be bigger, He'll be ten times even bigger, Like like
Speaker 1: did you say Jordan was chosen to be to go?
Speaker 1: Like he didn't ask to be to go, he was
Speaker 1: chosen to be to go. But if they would have
Speaker 1: had social media and all this technology when MJ was
Speaker 1: coming up, he'll be ten times bigger than what he
Speaker 1: is now. And here's and here's a question though, would
Speaker 1: it be controversy as well? Because when I look at it,
Speaker 1: like the guys that played now, they don't get that
Speaker 1: love like they normally. It's always it's a lot, it's
Speaker 1: always a hate because I'm looking at Lebron like he's
Speaker 1: in the seventeenth year putting up these type of numbers.
Speaker 1: Anybody to do anything for seventeen years good and somebody
Speaker 1: get a plaque or get you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: that kind of ship. But he gets a lot of
Speaker 1: he get a lot of controversy. Why is that? Because
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's it's easier today to show
Speaker 1: it takes a strong man to show love, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? And I think you made a great point.
Speaker 1: There's so many there's distractions. Back then, there's no doubt
Speaker 1: and they were. You know, they're the rock Stars, biggest
Speaker 1: team in the world. But at the same time, there
Speaker 1: wasn't we had a we just we just did an
Speaker 1: interview with Bradley Beal talking about how the media tried
Speaker 1: to put him and John Wall against each other when
Speaker 1: they're actually good friends, like brothers, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So to think if the media would, if social media
Speaker 1: would have been able to get in that locker room
Speaker 1: with the ship that was going on with Pipping, because
Speaker 1: obviously Mike felt a certain way about it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, and his reasons, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So what if social media got their hands on that
Speaker 1: and throw that ship around? Could that have possibly caused
Speaker 1: the friction in their relationship or friendship or their chemistry.
Speaker 1: So that's a great question. It would have sucked it up.
Speaker 1: What do you think, because I mean, I don't see
Speaker 1: how these guys like man, you know, like I'm sensing
Speaker 1: to to like motherfucker coming to tell your ass you
Speaker 1: be ready to tell your computer, how would they have
Speaker 1: dealt with all of that? Jack, but that ship, that
Speaker 1: that ship affected Braun and Kyrie, you know, to be
Speaker 1: infected that and just magic they would have stayed together,
Speaker 1: but me personally with Braun, all his chatter, don't it
Speaker 1: don't matter to him because before all his chatter, when
Speaker 1: Braun was a teenager, Braun was sitting there thinking in
Speaker 1: his own mind, I want to be better than Jordan.
Speaker 1: I want to be the best to play the game.
Speaker 1: So everything that's been sad now it's been said to
Speaker 1: him in year seventeen, after all he's done, it doesn't
Speaker 1: it don't matter because his goal was set in his
Speaker 1: own mind, not based off what other people thinkright. Top five,
Speaker 1: top five? Who your point guards to? Top five all time?
Speaker 1: Who your point guard? This all the time? My point
Speaker 1: guard would be uh Lebron James, who magics my point guard?
Speaker 1: At your all? Right too, be Lebron too too. I'm
Speaker 1: going Jordan's I got jo I got Jordan in my two.
Speaker 1: I got I got Kobe at my three. Kobe at
Speaker 1: my three, Kobe my three, go ahead. I got him
Speaker 1: dunking at my four, Tim Duncan at your four. I
Speaker 1: got Katie at my four. I'll about to say Katie
Speaker 1: at my four. Now here's the thing I'm gonna change
Speaker 1: because I had a different order. I had a different
Speaker 1: order the other day. But I'm changing My five is shock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's what I am. I'm going with these
Speaker 1: in five. That the five. Here's the thing. Now let's
Speaker 1: do errors because that's mine for the new era. What
Speaker 1: about the old erabor? Oh, I'm going on. I'm going
Speaker 1: with more cheeks, more cheese. I'm gonna I'm going with magic.
Speaker 1: I'm taking Yeah, I'm still taking magic. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I'm still taking? No, no, no, no, I'll take
Speaker 1: my back. I'm going I Saila, Okay, I'm going magic. One.
Speaker 1: Who we're going to I got Jordan still Jordan too,
Speaker 1: for sure? Three we go, We're going. We're going back.
Speaker 1: Now we're going back. I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you can you know what I'm saying. The the rules
Speaker 1: like rules like different rules like you know, like this
Speaker 1: this area still I let you, I let John have this.
Speaker 1: I'm going George Gervin. Oh, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: Lebron at three three, I'm gonna go. But no a king.
Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna old school on? Um huh. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: going with Pip phel nice nice, actually, hold on, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take I'm gonna go Grant Hill at my three. Okay,
Speaker 1: I need I need Bird in it. I need Bird
Speaker 1: in it or three or four? Four? Four? Oh, that's
Speaker 1: a nice one. Bird at the four is a nice
Speaker 1: stretch for I'm going at the four. I'm going. Uh boy,
Speaker 1: boy boy, that was tough that with Bird. That's what
Speaker 1: I meant. French lick. Yeah, I know right, I gotta
Speaker 1: go Bird too. Yeah, I'm going. I'm I'm going with
Speaker 1: Michalek four shoulders, mchaeale. Actually, excuse me, excuse me, back Barkley.
Speaker 1: I got Barkley at my four. There you go, There
Speaker 1: you go. There's a large Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Horible five. Who you got? I gotta da I ain't
Speaker 1: got no charts. I'm going with Will I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: with Elijah one. Since I picked shot earlier, The Dream
Speaker 1: Dream on the Dream, we touched on it. We touched
Speaker 1: on it a little bit ago. But what do you
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on seeing this this last dance documentary,
Speaker 1: because I think we're spoiled today with everyone just getting
Speaker 1: to see everything about athletes, entertainers, whatever. It wasn't that way,
Speaker 1: like we just tested it. Wasn't that way. So now
Speaker 1: we're getting to see almost a social media look at
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of how great that team was. But
Speaker 1: like you said, you you you're were slowly but surely
Speaker 1: find it out. There's some chinks in the armor. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about what you're saying so far? Well,
Speaker 1: you know what it is. I think that in today's world,
Speaker 1: had this documentary came out there was no social media,
Speaker 1: we will be able to watch it and take it in.
Speaker 1: The problem is once it comes out social media, now
Speaker 1: look at look at Scottie Pippen, what he gotta deal
Speaker 1: with because they're talking about his money. So now you know,
Speaker 1: they make it memes and you know, so it's sort
Speaker 1: of hard to it's sort of hard for today's world
Speaker 1: to accept it. Now. Me being from back at that time,
Speaker 1: or not back at the time, but I mean being
Speaker 1: old enough to have seen those games, I appreciate it
Speaker 1: in a different way because I'm like, damn, I finally
Speaker 1: get a chance to him. Michael talked about scott and
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I thought that was the one,
Speaker 1: right because everybody was ship on Scotty. Be like Scottie
Speaker 1: wasn't ship He wasn't. Then Michael did it all on
Speaker 1: his own. I said, yo, man, y'all tripping Scottie Pippenham
Speaker 1: was one of the Mother's assassin's ever and I said,
Speaker 1: didn't without him exactly. Here's the thing, you guys, know this,
Speaker 1: It's about being comfortable if somebody can make your job easy,
Speaker 1: whether bass, playing basketball, or whether I'm in the movie
Speaker 1: with great, great actors. When somebody can lift your shoulders
Speaker 1: with Michael, ain't gotta worry about guarding the main players,
Speaker 1: so you can save his lead because you know you
Speaker 1: need Michael for that train often anytime you've got somebody
Speaker 1: alleviate that type of pressure from Pipping Harper. Yeah, Ron Harper,
Speaker 1: you're Tony Kukoach. These guys were Hall of famers, and
Speaker 1: so when you look at that now you're able to
Speaker 1: see because you know they're gonna give you tim parts,
Speaker 1: but you're able to see what allowed Michael Jordan's to
Speaker 1: beat Michael Jordan's and those guys were super important. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad that they're getting that shine taking nothing from Michael,
Speaker 1: because you know that's that's come on, you can't see
Speaker 1: it's the goat. But they have to understand, and I'm
Speaker 1: glad that showing it now that it was a lot
Speaker 1: of it was a lot of help in that, man,
Speaker 1: because the days look a lot of times we see
Speaker 1: highlights and we see the greatest of the great but
Speaker 1: we don't see those times when we struggle. And I
Speaker 1: think that's just great about it, and you see the stroke.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say this. It felt good to
Speaker 1: see the quote from Mike saying you can't talk about
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan without Scotti, Pip, and I think to anybody
Speaker 1: what he said, It felt good to finally see that
Speaker 1: quote and see Mike say that, yeah, man, because I
Speaker 1: know for Scotty man, think about being Scotty just being
Speaker 1: like damn, you know, they don't know, but they don't.
Speaker 1: They got crazy and they got the greatest voice, and well, yeah, Si,
Speaker 1: you gotta got the wolf on his throat. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: had to turn the base off. My TeV was st
Speaker 1: you know, but about Nyes on this throat. But back
Speaker 1: to your point, I think that the crazy part is
Speaker 1: it's just because we say Mike had helped doesn't lessen
Speaker 1: Mike's greatness, you know what I means at all. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just that the Mike. You know, look a
Speaker 1: lot of times, you know, like the tough things now
Speaker 1: is even talking about would you get But you know,
Speaker 1: Mike's Mike's I mean, I mean, Mike's of his his
Speaker 1: his just his whole brand is so huge it's hard
Speaker 1: to have a conversation about just basketball. So I'm glad
Speaker 1: they got a chance to show just the basketball. You know,
Speaker 1: I think it's it's important cause a Skip Bayliss says
Speaker 1: something today that Scotty wasn't one of the greatest. He
Speaker 1: wasn't this, he wasn't that. And to me, Mike's legacy,
Speaker 1: Mike will still be great regardless. If he had Pip,
Speaker 1: he would be great, but like you said, he lessens,
Speaker 1: he lessened to burden. But then there's no titles without Pip.
Speaker 1: And when we talk about legacy, we talk about winning championships.
Speaker 1: So so Mike is a great player, there's no knock
Speaker 1: on that. Obviously the greatest of all time. But when
Speaker 1: we talk about legacy, and man Mike said in his
Speaker 1: own words, like there's no Mike without Pip, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So I'm glad that people are finally
Speaker 1: getting to see how important Pip was because like I said, us,
Speaker 1: you know, we're at our forties now we know how
Speaker 1: motherfucking important, how good Pip was. Yeah, man, but but
Speaker 1: you can't listen to skill. See, that's why I sunk
Speaker 1: with y'all man, skiving them, be trying to get headlines man,
Speaker 1: and just say that wold ship. That's why I'm shann
Speaker 1: to be on a skilled skilled skilled still skill kill
Speaker 1: skill hilp Ye all day. That's all he saying all day.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean counting how many times he said
Speaker 1: philp Si that's all he saved. Bro. You can't listen
Speaker 1: to them. I don't listen to them. I listening to
Speaker 1: y'all man, because you know y'all play the y'all know
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank pivot them back to uh sports
Speaker 1: though I know sports probably started in your childhood. Can
Speaker 1: you talk to us about that? And man, you know
Speaker 1: what Texas man, it was everything man, like playing football
Speaker 1: was was was was out there like we didn't have
Speaker 1: no basketball team coming up, like and I just see
Speaker 1: then I see some football clubs. Man. You know football
Speaker 1: is my first sports. I played football. That was my ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you under you understand that man in football in
Speaker 1: Texas was everything. So like you know, like I remember
Speaker 1: like being a sophomore getting on the varsity team and
Speaker 1: I was big back then, you know, to be a
Speaker 1: sohom And I remember finally getting on the team, and
Speaker 1: I had worked all some of My father was a coach.
Speaker 1: He coaches another at another school in Lincoln High School.
Speaker 1: But I worked on someone and I didn't get kicked
Speaker 1: Dallas Lincoln, baby, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: didn't get picked up, and I was in terrible and
Speaker 1: then finally like somebody couldn't play, Like one of the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks didn't play. We ran a three quarterback thing. The
Speaker 1: coach came out there and uh, while I was in
Speaker 1: my uh like we was having two days just I
Speaker 1: got a start. So whenever I could believe, it was
Speaker 1: like the cons of the kids. And then they got
Speaker 1: on bossing. And then I walked in, dog, and it
Speaker 1: was it taught me about just being able to be
Speaker 1: on another level, like to really stripe. And I walked
Speaker 1: in and they had carpet on the floor. Dog, you know,
Speaker 1: like I was like, damn, they got carpet on the floor.
Speaker 1: So I walked in. I'm looking at the carpet and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Dog, I just passed out, passed
Speaker 1: if I out. And the reason I passed out because
Speaker 1: one of the guys on the team, Keith, Keith Henderson,
Speaker 1: who was like a blue Chip, had hit me in
Speaker 1: the solar plex, knocked me out. He said, what the
Speaker 1: funk up? So what then you doing? You got them
Speaker 1: shoes on the carpet and Chip, I was like what.
Speaker 1: And then all the seniors you know, was hazing me
Speaker 1: and Ship like that, and and it was just like
Speaker 1: a feeling that you couldn't imagine. Bro, They hazed me
Speaker 1: and Ship. But then when I got out there on
Speaker 1: the team and being fifteen, Bro, I ended up starting
Speaker 1: on the team, got a got a super super interception
Speaker 1: on a on a scrimmage. You had to go scrimmage McKinney,
Speaker 1: McKinney lines, and uh, the one thing I knew. I
Speaker 1: knew all my plays and Ship, but they had marsh
Speaker 1: all the way down the field. They ran a little bootleg,
Speaker 1: got stepped in front of got the interception. Bro. My
Speaker 1: whole life change. And when people talk about I called
Speaker 1: to motherfucking interception Bro. And I went from being a
Speaker 1: sophomore to Eric Bischer. You know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: and it was like I still people asked me, how big,
Speaker 1: What's the biggest moment of my life? And that was
Speaker 1: the biggest moment, getting that intercession and proven to these
Speaker 1: motherfucker's that I could do it. And then from then on, man,
Speaker 1: I became a quarterback my junior year. Then I went
Speaker 1: to pass for over a thousand yards uh my my
Speaker 1: senior year with one intersection. But you know it was crazy.
Speaker 1: He was Jamis Winston before Jameis Winston. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was kind of bad because I was a stat stuffer.
Speaker 1: I held us. I had a newspaper status in my
Speaker 1: in my pocket. I'm looking. I mean, I need nine
Speaker 1: more yards I need to get. But yeah, remember sponsors everything.
Speaker 1: And then I went to U. I went to State.
Speaker 1: In the high jump, I was five seven or five eight,
Speaker 1: but I was jumped the six six. And then you
Speaker 1: played some hoop too, right, yeah, but that was later, man,
Speaker 1: Like our hoop team was terrible, you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: like how you go to basketball gyms and they got
Speaker 1: the banners the championships. I banner said, welcome, that's it,
Speaker 1: that's it. But you know, WEAKEL had all the basketball bats.
Speaker 1: We had the basketball players. Yeah. We we played against
Speaker 1: Dallas linking a lot in the state championship, but put
Speaker 1: out the leak in the Dallas leak. We both got
Speaker 1: a lot of stapship championships. Yeah, man, And poured author
Speaker 1: with that track, Motherfucker's to fly. They don't know Jack
Speaker 1: right there, the voice is running from the cops. Got
Speaker 1: him on the track. Good. That's all good. The best
Speaker 1: way to get fast steal something. Yeah. Did you were
Speaker 1: in the band back then too? Right? Man? That wasn't
Speaker 1: all kinds of bands. Me and my boy had a
Speaker 1: band called ex Caliber Dog. We was you know, I
Speaker 1: was trying to get on ex Calibu. So some like
Speaker 1: cassette tape days. Man, you know, uh but I remember
Speaker 1: we was like at a you know, the little talent
Speaker 1: shows the ship at the school. Man. I had my
Speaker 1: curl and ship. You said question because said this ship
Speaker 1: was dry? Was your curl wet or dry? My ship
Speaker 1: was dried off? Why I didn't? I didn't use the
Speaker 1: stay sofer. I used some ship called Hollywood curl. So
Speaker 1: it was like it was like a cream. You put
Speaker 1: the mouth again there and then you know it stayed dry.
Speaker 1: So when girls see me. I used to tell him
Speaker 1: I was Dominican, was real. Man, Go man, go man,
Speaker 1: got stares rying, you know what I'm saying. They had
Speaker 1: to keep your ship dry. The ship too wet. It's
Speaker 1: like at the Hollywood Current. We had a curl that
Speaker 1: could have been on the side of one of their boxes.
Speaker 1: You had a real curl back then that like I
Speaker 1: want number seven. Let me tell you, nigga, let me
Speaker 1: tell you something better than that. I had the picture
Speaker 1: of them niggas ready for the World, and I took
Speaker 1: it into the shop of the shop. I said, I
Speaker 1: need this, right girl, dog, I need Melvin Riley. I
Speaker 1: need Melvin Riley from Ready for the World. So they
Speaker 1: put the ship and my ship. I had a h
Speaker 1: It was low on the front, long in the back
Speaker 1: of ship like Nelvin Raley. It looked like a Z
Speaker 1: twenty eight because I had the lower and long. So nigga,
Speaker 1: so ready for the world, come to Reunion Arena. I
Speaker 1: got tickets dog row six, and I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I swear to guy. When Melvin Riley came out, he
Speaker 1: looked at me and said, but I did like this,
Speaker 1: I said, and you see this, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: curl swing and sitting looking good all the way. And
Speaker 1: then when I finally got it, and how well it
Speaker 1: was crazy is man? I finally get on and Melvin
Speaker 1: Riley came to my house. I said, motherfucker, I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how That's how great God is. Man. It's like
Speaker 1: I ended up getting on and then having him at
Speaker 1: the crib. I said, man, you don't remember me, Like, no,
Speaker 1: remember I had your curling rows six all that. But
Speaker 1: you know what the music was everything, man, music. I
Speaker 1: was always just trying to get into the music, you know,
Speaker 1: playing writing songs and ship and you know, singing line
Speaker 1: of Richie songs back in the day, you know, to
Speaker 1: the girls, hello, all them ships. You know. I was
Speaker 1: just mimicking everything. And then now it's crazy, how now
Speaker 1: these people like in my cell phone you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's like it's like blessings, like you can't believe.
Speaker 1: So you went to college to study music performing arts? Um,
Speaker 1: when did you get into the stand up? Stand up comedy?
Speaker 1: Get When I got to San Diego doing music, I
Speaker 1: was in a college like International college. It was eighty
Speaker 1: one different countries in mine that were representing my school.
Speaker 1: So I would do the music in San Diego, but
Speaker 1: I would drive up to l A do the common clubs.
Speaker 1: Or I would do Lahorea the comedy store down in Lahorea.
Speaker 1: And I was only eighteen, so I couldn't get in
Speaker 1: the club, so they would make me wait outside the club.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Then bring me in, let
Speaker 1: me do my stand up. So I was constantly like,
Speaker 1: you know, since I was clowning, since I was a kid,
Speaker 1: you know, I was constantly working on my uh you know,
Speaker 1: working on the craft. And I got there earlier, and
Speaker 1: that was the big thing. Was like using the college
Speaker 1: as a sort of like a landing pad. But since
Speaker 1: l A was only you know, ship an hour and
Speaker 1: a half away, I would come up here and get
Speaker 1: it popping. And then my my uncle was assistant chief
Speaker 1: of police of a school districts and Mel Brown he said,
Speaker 1: he said, I know you uh, I know you're saying
Speaker 1: and stuff. I said, yeah, he said, you come on
Speaker 1: over here, and I don't want you to uh meet
Speaker 1: Harvey Food Quap. I sew who that? He said, that's
Speaker 1: Marvin Gaye man. So I'm like I'm thinking, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: gout that Marvin Gay Man ship out here. Man, I'm drunk.
Speaker 1: So he gave me an address and then he's a
Speaker 1: joking motherfucker. So I'm thinking that's a fake address. But
Speaker 1: I get there. It's in Brentwood. And when I look
Speaker 1: on the um on the mailbox and says Dorothy Gay
Speaker 1: and Freeman and knocking knock on the door, and Harvey
Speaker 1: Football comes to George, this big black dude. He said,
Speaker 1: you wanted to sing? I said yeah. He said, come
Speaker 1: on end. So when I went in the apartment, I
Speaker 1: looked to the left and it was these reel the
Speaker 1: reels and keyboards and ship and he said you see that?
Speaker 1: Said yeah, he said, that's Marvin Gaye's keyboards, the last
Speaker 1: thing he played before he died. And bro I sat
Speaker 1: down and started playing, and the dude was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: you got it. And so I started like singing and
Speaker 1: ship like that, and he started having me come to
Speaker 1: the crib and and I was trying to get on.
Speaker 1: At one point it got a little weird because you
Speaker 1: were having me singing Marvin gay songs all the time,
Speaker 1: having people come over. Uh, And I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I know you're missing Marvin and stuff, but I want
Speaker 1: to I want to get my own thing, he said.
Speaker 1: I apologize, man, he said, you know, we had just
Speaker 1: lost him a too long ago. So cool. So I
Speaker 1: basically became like his uh his, like his assistant, like
Speaker 1: filing stuff for so like I just you know, just
Speaker 1: stay around the house and bro. This is a crazy story.
Speaker 1: At one point, I was following these cassette tapes, right
Speaker 1: and I picked up one cassette tape to seeing what
Speaker 1: was on it, and I pressed play and it was
Speaker 1: it was the original of sexual and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 1: they gets four o'clock in the morning. I'm like, I
Speaker 1: could take this ship and get some money for this ship.
Speaker 1: And that I went walk, I went. I went and
Speaker 1: woke him up. I said, man, you gotta tell me
Speaker 1: about this. He said, yeah, man, I got a lot
Speaker 1: of them Ben Saince he was working on. I said,
Speaker 1: tell me about that night, man. He said, this is
Speaker 1: what it was. Marvin was in the studio. It's like
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning, and I'm like, Marvin, man,
Speaker 1: let's go. Man, it's late, you know. And he had
Speaker 1: connected all these little, uh these tape machines together working
Speaker 1: on this track, and he said, yeah, I know it's late,
Speaker 1: he says, but where's Marylyn? He said, Man, Marylyn sleep
Speaker 1: right here on the couch. Man, let's go, and he goes,
Speaker 1: get up, man, Wake up Mary, Get up, man, he said.
Speaker 1: Then I got it. Run the tape back, bump, get up, bro.
Speaker 1: That's that's how crazy is that? So that's I I
Speaker 1: called myself to Black Forest gun Bro, because I've just
Speaker 1: been like in every nook and cranny of his business.
Speaker 1: And then you know, Ship worked out talked us little bit.
Speaker 1: How you landed that in Living Color role? I had
Speaker 1: got on this one TV show called Rock, but for
Speaker 1: some reason they fired They fired me, and some ship
Speaker 1: went down on going down. But I got fired and
Speaker 1: I shot the pilot and I told everybody in tarrell
Speaker 1: it I was gonna be on the pilot. And when
Speaker 1: the pilot came out, you know I wasn't on that
Speaker 1: said my grandmother thought I was like here doing drugs
Speaker 1: and some ship. I was like, damn, I gotta get
Speaker 1: to ship, right, And so then the show and Living
Speaker 1: Color was looking for other comedians and I went in
Speaker 1: and put it like the cattle call. So went from
Speaker 1: a hundred to fifty to five to ten down to five,
Speaker 1: So it was me and for the cash, right, and
Speaker 1: to be honest, during the audition part, I was blowing
Speaker 1: that ship. I wasn't doing good. But then Keenan said, look,
Speaker 1: I want to see y'all do stand up and I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Ship, and the other four people didn't
Speaker 1: do stand up comedy even though so they had to
Speaker 1: this when the laugh Factor we first started. So I
Speaker 1: go down to the laugh Factory. But I was late
Speaker 1: on purpose because I wanted to go last. So when
Speaker 1: I go up, you know, like in the hood, Like
Speaker 1: in the hood, you always play your music, because that's
Speaker 1: where I came from, like robbing Harris because so I
Speaker 1: told him. You know, I was like, I got my
Speaker 1: music and Ship I had a queued up. But the
Speaker 1: laugh Factor is more like the white place. So I said,
Speaker 1: play the music. They didn't play the music. I was like, oh, Ship.
Speaker 1: So I went up there and just started freestyling some
Speaker 1: Ship and in the audience was Keenan and Jim Carrey
Speaker 1: and the Flag Girls. But I did this one joke, bro,
Speaker 1: and it was about uh. I said, black and white people,
Speaker 1: black and white men. Uh uh. The only difference is
Speaker 1: the heartbeat because the average the average black man. The
Speaker 1: average white man's heart beats like this, right, while the
Speaker 1: average black man's heart beats like this. They're going crazy
Speaker 1: going then, I said, ladies, I said, ladies, I said, ladies.
Speaker 1: That's why when you made can love. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: who's better, but who would you rather make love to?
Speaker 1: Somebody like this or would you rather make love to
Speaker 1: an ovation? Bro? I saw Keena, everybody going crazy man,
Speaker 1: the Flag Girls and Boom. I was on the show
Speaker 1: where did you get the motivation for some of the characters?
Speaker 1: You you know, made your career off of Wanda? Oh Man, Man, listen,
Speaker 1: you know what Wanda came from. Just you know how
Speaker 1: motherfucker run on time. I grew up girl, So so
Speaker 1: you know, you take all them girls that you grew
Speaker 1: up with that type of ship and you bring them up. Man.
Speaker 1: You know how Texas is man and all where about being?
Speaker 1: But that came on one night I had ran out
Speaker 1: of material and I just said, hey, all the pretty
Speaker 1: girls makes you know, pretty girls clapping? I said, now
Speaker 1: all the ugly girls, let me hear you say something.
Speaker 1: And it was complete size. I said, man, look at
Speaker 1: all the up girl was talking about talking about it
Speaker 1: started like that, I did that character after audition. So
Speaker 1: when Keenan said, hey, man, do that motherfucking other girl
Speaker 1: that you do? Uh for one of the for one
Speaker 1: of the shows. So he reached in his bag bro
Speaker 1: found his blond as wig and it was like, I'll
Speaker 1: rock your world and that. Yeah, but that but I
Speaker 1: needed that because if you think about it, living coloring
Speaker 1: all those characters that were doing at the time, you
Speaker 1: needed to get a character. It's not that was gonna fire, yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know, it's just like it's like any basketball team,
Speaker 1: you was gonna get cut. So that character took off, man,
Speaker 1: and then like it took off, and I loved it.
Speaker 1: But then I had to shed that ship because like
Speaker 1: you know, motherfucker's was, you know, like the girls ship.
Speaker 1: And he was coming up to me in clubs and
Speaker 1: you only give you the bit. I said, hold on,
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember this crazy I remember Johnny Gil
Speaker 1: Johnny Guild. Johnny Gil said some one time to go.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, hey, my my mind, n hold on.
Speaker 1: So so I didn't want to get stuck in the motherfucker.
Speaker 1: So you know, I just had to keep coming to
Speaker 1: other characters so I could keep hitting my different ships.
Speaker 1: So you know, they say, I don't just do her,
Speaker 1: I do all these How instrumental was Keenan every way
Speaker 1: is not only in for a living color, but launching
Speaker 1: and giving guys like yourself, Jim Carey, I mean, David
Speaker 1: Allen Greer, Tommy Davidson that platform to go on you.
Speaker 1: If you think about that cast, I'm sure you've done it.
Speaker 1: But all you guys went on to long, successful longevity
Speaker 1: and whatever profession and you know, whatever reil we wanted
Speaker 1: to do. Compared to that coach, that was really hard on.
Speaker 1: I remem m Keenan saying listen, you gotta prove yourself.
Speaker 1: Maybe I don't think it was funny as everybody else,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, what he did was when
Speaker 1: you walk on the set, bro, it was all black people,
Speaker 1: black writers, black people working. I said, damn mind the
Speaker 1: right spot. It was all black. But he held that
Speaker 1: ship here all of you you had to be absolutely
Speaker 1: air tight. But what it was, man, he had his
Speaker 1: finger on the culture. Bro. He knew the music. He
Speaker 1: had to fly girls. But every time we went out
Speaker 1: to do some jokes like, we would come to keen
Speaker 1: and said, yo, man, we don't think the writers is
Speaker 1: writing funny And I said, yes they are, y'all. Motherfucker's
Speaker 1: just saying trying. And he would take whatever that was written.
Speaker 1: He would look through that ship. He said, go try this,
Speaker 1: and the next thing, you know, bro, we would have
Speaker 1: talked of the town on that Monday morning. So it's
Speaker 1: like he was he was constantly like he would constantly
Speaker 1: put us in competition with each other. You know, Tommy
Speaker 1: Davidson killing that ship. Uh, David Evan Rear killing that ship.
Speaker 1: Everybody was killing and what he did was he made
Speaker 1: it sexy. It was like everybody came to the show.
Speaker 1: J Loo was on the show. I remember seeing j Lo.
Speaker 1: The first time I saw j Loo, I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not hitting on you. You're the most beautiful person
Speaker 1: in the world. I said, I got a girl. I said,
Speaker 1: but congratulations and she was like she was chilling that ship.
Speaker 1: And so we became friends. And then, like if you
Speaker 1: think about it, back at the time, every hip hop
Speaker 1: star he was seeing the future. All the hip hop
Speaker 1: is coming to a living color. Yeah, man, you have Uh.
Speaker 1: Teddy Riley was in Dots Affect everybody. So he taught
Speaker 1: you how to be fly with your ship like you
Speaker 1: could be funny but at the same time be super fly.
Speaker 1: Oh that was you know what I'm saying. So to
Speaker 1: this day, we're still rocket Man and and and those
Speaker 1: guys are still doing their thing. And uh, it's because
Speaker 1: of those early lessons. Keenan never ran because I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think we hear him mention enough to you know,
Speaker 1: to to that man he gave to the game. He
Speaker 1: he put, he put all that ship together, and he
Speaker 1: had a motherfucker nervous dog. Look, we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: there at ten. I got there nine fifty nine. Pulled
Speaker 1: me out to meeting. While you're late, I said, it's
Speaker 1: nights nine, No nine, No, we started working in a ten.
Speaker 1: So you gotta give me an answer. I said, like, like,
Speaker 1: like what, you better figure it out. You can standing
Speaker 1: out here to figure it out. I'm not talking a
Speaker 1: damn Maybe I got a principle, like what the fund?
Speaker 1: And so I would just sleep on the set so
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be late, because you know, I'll come out
Speaker 1: the club. And I come out of the club, I
Speaker 1: was AI and be talking about practice, and I'm talking
Speaker 1: about I was supposed to be franchise player. So I
Speaker 1: was just go straight to the set and then just
Speaker 1: wake up. I'll be on time the Jamie Foxx show,
Speaker 1: something I watch, you know Fancy Braxton. You know Mama
Speaker 1: talked to us how that came about and how you
Speaker 1: end upetting that off the ground. To be honest with you, Bro,
Speaker 1: I had ran out of money. Uh, and Living Color
Speaker 1: was over. I remember, you know, l A tough on
Speaker 1: you too. Right after the Living Color was I was riding.
Speaker 1: I had this little BMW with the top there, and
Speaker 1: I'm riding down the street like on sunset or something,
Speaker 1: and Uh, I hear somebody say that ship over, motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I was, damn that over, motherfucker's I said, got there.
Speaker 1: It was bad, and I remember like Chris Tucker was
Speaker 1: coming up. I remember Chris Tucker was coming young. I
Speaker 1: was like, god, damn you hit. And I remember this
Speaker 1: girl ran up to me. She said, oh my god.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what's up? She said, do you know where
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker is? I said, oh the fuck. So I
Speaker 1: had moved to Vegas, bro, because I ran out of money.
Speaker 1: And then uh, this this this this network called the
Speaker 1: w b UH was starting their network, and so I
Speaker 1: went in and met with them and said, I got
Speaker 1: this idea and people probably have to google this, but
Speaker 1: there was this uh English television show called Fawlty Towers
Speaker 1: with John Kleaves and it was like the Benny Hill
Speaker 1: and all the type of yeah, all of all of them.
Speaker 1: So I saw that hotel show. I said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: I want to do a show like that where I I,
Speaker 1: my my, my, my, my aunt and aunt were in
Speaker 1: the hotel and I come to work there. And by
Speaker 1: having the hotel we can have different people fall through then,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And so they was like, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: we dig it. We're just trying to get going. So
Speaker 1: they gave me the opportunity, and bro, I remember the upfront.
Speaker 1: You know you gotta go to the upfront to announce
Speaker 1: your show. Bro, I didn't even have a limo. It
Speaker 1: was like I went to getting the limo and some
Speaker 1: ladies slapt my hand. That's not for you, that's for
Speaker 1: uh Savannah and some of the shold man limo and
Speaker 1: they put me in a van. I'm like, oh, bring
Speaker 1: it up. You know that plain white panel van. I said,
Speaker 1: damn nigg So finally the show come out, though bro
Speaker 1: it did sign Feld numbers. It did like like she's
Speaker 1: like the fourteen or something like that. And then it
Speaker 1: just caught, you know, and then uh, fancy fancy came
Speaker 1: from the r. Kelly video grassing of course, Garrett Morris
Speaker 1: and all them, and you do you don't know when
Speaker 1: you're doing it, bro, but it just it just all
Speaker 1: came together and it became like this thing that people,
Speaker 1: you know, people gravitated to them and and it was
Speaker 1: it was on absolutely I loved that ship that was
Speaker 1: dough ninety six. Gary McGuire movie comes out. You went
Speaker 1: out for tid Well, Uh they end up giving up
Speaker 1: the Cuba goodon Junior? How bad did you want that role?
Speaker 1: Because I was the dope movie. Bro. It was. It
Speaker 1: was crazy because you know, the dude saw me read
Speaker 1: for it and says he's gonna love it. I said,
Speaker 1: who tc, Tom Cruise gonna love it? I said, what? So, Bro,
Speaker 1: I ended up reading with Tom Cruise. It flew me
Speaker 1: to New York, you know, but you know I wasn't
Speaker 1: used to seeing a big stars and ship, you know,
Speaker 1: So in the reading, Bro, I'm reading the ship and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm from TV shows, reading kind of
Speaker 1: loud and then I was like, yeah, show me the money,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, looking at Tom Cruise like yeah,
Speaker 1: show me, you know what I mean? And Tom here
Speaker 1: was you know here movie actor. So his voice was soft,
Speaker 1: he said, so I couldn't hear him. So I thought
Speaker 1: he had lost his place. I said, uh we right
Speaker 1: here says I know, I've already said my life. I'm
Speaker 1: waiting on you, and you know, mother got nervous and
Speaker 1: ship started sweating. I blew it. And after I blew it,
Speaker 1: I was like, damn no, I blew this ship. The
Speaker 1: the producer was mad at me, and then uh, Cuba
Speaker 1: Gooding got it right. But then when Collateral came up.
Speaker 1: When Collateral came up, Tom Cruise remembered that him and
Speaker 1: Michael Man and boom he liked to read and boom
Speaker 1: and so you know what ended up being limits turning
Speaker 1: out being eliminated because we did Collateral and we actually
Speaker 1: get nominated for Collateral. So you know, just just hanging
Speaker 1: in there, man, you know, making that shift pop. I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I can't. I can't missing free throws
Speaker 1: like that because I'm Mr free throws out. I missed
Speaker 1: that any giving Sunday, Yeah, how did that role. Come
Speaker 1: about that start that start your sophomore year when you
Speaker 1: got punched in the Solar PLEXI he was traded to
Speaker 1: be a really baby and then I didn't even know man,
Speaker 1: but it was crazy. It was crazy because Oliver Stone
Speaker 1: directed it and basically Puffy was supposed to play the part.
Speaker 1: But Puffy was you know, he was dealing with big
Speaker 1: businesses and everything like that. So, uh, Oliver Stone at
Speaker 1: one point when I came in to read again in
Speaker 1: you know, he said I was horrible, Bro, because I
Speaker 1: was like reading loud, and she says, fuck, is you
Speaker 1: reads so loud? You this television ship is sucking me up.
Speaker 1: So what I did was, Bro, I had just got
Speaker 1: that ninety seven coop, that Mercedes, I got a cam
Speaker 1: qorter bro, put on my football gear, took all my
Speaker 1: homies gut and just started like like I was in
Speaker 1: a like I was in training camp, Bro. And while
Speaker 1: we was doing the training camp ship, I came up
Speaker 1: with a song. My name was Wally with money. I
Speaker 1: keep the ladies creaming and all the fast you gotta
Speaker 1: scream and think you can't be feak me, You're dreaming.
Speaker 1: So we made this song up and Bro, I showed
Speaker 1: him the tape. That's who the funk I'm looking for
Speaker 1: right now, That's who I want. So we started in
Speaker 1: and give him Sunday Bro, and we're shooting that ship
Speaker 1: in Miami. I need to get paid. All the money
Speaker 1: that I got, Bro, I spent it in Miami. I
Speaker 1: was just the first time Nika absolute z bro said
Speaker 1: the dog I had a ball. Nikka was in Miami
Speaker 1: with mess shirts and and Farrari's and ship. I was
Speaker 1: fucking I was on allay man and then you think
Speaker 1: about everybody that's in it. Alfaccino, uh Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor,
Speaker 1: uh L, Dennis Quay, Me and ll was fighting. That
Speaker 1: ship was real. Ain't never yet count us about that
Speaker 1: because I heard you touched on that. I heard there
Speaker 1: was some real ship going on with that was his
Speaker 1: feeling on that, Yo. What what what happened was is
Speaker 1: that for some reason, like he he kept slapping me,
Speaker 1: he thought I think he thought it was a little
Speaker 1: bit real in the in the movie, like Nigga, we're
Speaker 1: not really on the fucking team, like we really don't
Speaker 1: have to get to practice, like we're going to say action.
Speaker 1: But you know it was. But I think That's what
Speaker 1: made the movie real because we was like really competitive,
Speaker 1: but we were doing the scene and the motherfucker put
Speaker 1: the motherfucker pushed me in the scene, bro, and I
Speaker 1: swear to god, I landed and somebody else to set.
Speaker 1: I went back so far, I said, what the fund?
Speaker 1: And so then he got testy, man, and we got
Speaker 1: to scrap it on whatever like that. You know, but
Speaker 1: you know Green, you know I won't get the whole
Speaker 1: another set. I woke up in Jerry mcgrin said, why
Speaker 1: does this thing? Has Niver pushed me like this? Man?
Speaker 1: You know this ain't a real movie. But you know,
Speaker 1: we worked the ship that week. Were cool now but
Speaker 1: at the time and sort of goofy, but if fueled
Speaker 1: the scene because when we was doing them scenes and
Speaker 1: Willie Beamon was going through a ship, that ship was
Speaker 1: real man, because it's like, you know, you know how
Speaker 1: this is man. You get competitive, you know, you get
Speaker 1: really competitive, and girls on the set, and you know
Speaker 1: I was. I was so wild. Every time every time
Speaker 1: I showed up to the set, I had a Hummer,
Speaker 1: had a different car every time. You know, I was
Speaker 1: playing the whole role. Had the girls in the car
Speaker 1: and ship showing up to the set, so I was
Speaker 1: I was out in my mind, bro. But it as
Speaker 1: far as just the acting goes, like that speech. Everybody
Speaker 1: remember the Alpaccino speech, right, Here's the fun fact. Alpaccino
Speaker 1: was having a tough time with that speech because he
Speaker 1: ain't never been around football. That's that's where I I
Speaker 1: knew football. So when he was he was trying to
Speaker 1: get that speech off, I said, hey, I said, out,
Speaker 1: when you talking to these players, they want your players,
Speaker 1: they're your family. I said, a lot of these players
Speaker 1: come from the hood. They only father is you, So
Speaker 1: you gotta talk some like it's your father. Man. That
Speaker 1: motherfucker turned up on you. Motherfucker turning in your fighting motherfucker,
Speaker 1: I said, job, he was, how was the football sayings?
Speaker 1: That I know? They had to be dope to shoot?
Speaker 1: How was the football sayings? I wanted to do all
Speaker 1: of my stunts right, So we would shoot all night,
Speaker 1: but they would shoot the football scenes during the day.
Speaker 1: So I would go sleep for like two or three
Speaker 1: hours and then go to the B team and then shoot,
Speaker 1: put the mic on when when the director wasn't there,
Speaker 1: and shoot my own football scenes. Because I didn't want nobody.
Speaker 1: I all wanted it to be me. By doing that,
Speaker 1: I got the lion share of the park because the
Speaker 1: way all of the Stone wrote the movie is that
Speaker 1: he wrote it for everybody's narrative. But since I would
Speaker 1: go to boast man, I was working like eighteen hours
Speaker 1: a day, bro, But I wanted to get their football right.
Speaker 1: And they didn't know that I could really throw that thing,
Speaker 1: because I could throw the thing about fifty sixty yards
Speaker 1: in the air. So I was there and are getting
Speaker 1: man and if it felt good, and it's like all
Speaker 1: that ship that we had in Texas, it all came
Speaker 1: into play. Even when it came into I said, hey,
Speaker 1: because sometimes they want to do a movie ship like
Speaker 1: I want you to drop back and didn't do a spin.
Speaker 1: I said, they don't do that in the NFL. Back
Speaker 1: you got a certain amount of time we got to
Speaker 1: get the ship off. And so by having that background,
Speaker 1: it made it look authentic, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then but the one thing I did do, though
Speaker 1: I took a hit there was like you wanna take
Speaker 1: a mother don't given motherfucking Texas. Don't hit me. They
Speaker 1: don't get I don't know, motherfucking after nick, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: a real athlete, man, just a little motherfucker's safe came
Speaker 1: through my motherfucking nigga this part of my helmet, and
Speaker 1: I said, hey man, anybody else hitting me, they're gonna
Speaker 1: get fired. Don't how motherfucker putting my ship back here,
Speaker 1: so you know, And it was crazy because t O
Speaker 1: was done their mother and t O was a beast.
Speaker 1: They told TiO said line because you know it was
Speaker 1: it was pro football players against the arena league guy.
Speaker 1: So To was lining up all the dvs and said
Speaker 1: they could guard him. He was killing them. And at
Speaker 1: one point they ran up the running reverse for t
Speaker 1: O and he ran off the set his mother's and
Speaker 1: the motherfucker dude with the camera said you think you
Speaker 1: can can you can keep up with him? I got him,
Speaker 1: like I just turned look out, I got it. Motherfucker
Speaker 1: took off the mother's running cooled, both his hands blew
Speaker 1: out on the tires of the fo. We don't have
Speaker 1: to hear you slow down, t say, s I better.
Speaker 1: You've played some amazing supporting roles leading up to obviously
Speaker 1: where you were the main star. You know. Obviously any
Speaker 1: given Sunday he played alongside Will Smith and Ali Tom
Speaker 1: Cruise in Collateral. Looking back on that, what does that
Speaker 1: mean to you? And what resonates the most about all that?
Speaker 1: I always give props to to Uh, to Will Smith.
Speaker 1: He wanted me to play Bundeini Brown and Ali Muhammad.
Speaker 1: Ali is a property. How are you gonna be? God? Shuck?
Speaker 1: Shouldn't you come out to the garage? But number two?
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't have had the opportunity had he not
Speaker 1: told the director, Yo, I'm rocking with Fox, or I
Speaker 1: don't do the film, And so yeah, it's been and
Speaker 1: you know they don't happen in Hollywood, man, you know
Speaker 1: they don't happen in our business. So my main thing
Speaker 1: was that being those characters, alongside those guys. I wanted
Speaker 1: to be that Scottie Pipple. I wanted to be that
Speaker 1: person because I knew that that if Will Smith is
Speaker 1: doing Ali, especially with the Ali, because it was so
Speaker 1: important and Will was such a big star and it's
Speaker 1: a a big star. Um. I was there to make
Speaker 1: sure that he didn't have to worry about what I
Speaker 1: was doing. This part of the movie is gonna be
Speaker 1: solid and you don't realize it, but you're hanging another
Speaker 1: character in the rafters. That's sort of like if we're
Speaker 1: referring to Basketball, all of my characters when I look
Speaker 1: at him, Man, if it's Wander or Willie Beamon, Bun,
Speaker 1: Bundy Brown or all these characters, I hang them up.
Speaker 1: So whenever you get a chance to do the character
Speaker 1: on that type of level, Um, I want to be
Speaker 1: able to look back at my career and say, man,
Speaker 1: I turned into all these different people and sold it.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's like I take that and and now to
Speaker 1: this day, man, and in our business, you know, as
Speaker 1: much as you put into it, you can continue to
Speaker 1: work and continue to find shi. So I feel like
Speaker 1: I'm just still just getting started. It's party two too
Speaker 1: late to started acting career. Man, it ain't never too late. Man,
Speaker 1: Come on, man, jack what you wanna do? Man? The
Speaker 1: movie Steven Jackson, I'll make love to pressure. There you go.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a segment for that at the end.
Speaker 1: So yeah, hold on, we're gonna get to that. Definitely.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that. To me, It's it's hard to
Speaker 1: embody when you're playing a public figure or another famous figure.
Speaker 1: You were able to do it obviously with Ray Charles.
Speaker 1: You mentioned you're working on the Mike Tyson movie as well.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us a little bit more about that? Yeah, man, uh,
Speaker 1: you know I've been looking. When I went on stage
Speaker 1: in the Hood Comedy Act theater, right, I started killing, killing,
Speaker 1: killing as a young, young, young comedian. Right. But one
Speaker 1: particular night, I'm on stage and I get to my
Speaker 1: Mike Tyson joke because that's my best joke. Everybody go
Speaker 1: crazy on that joke. And I get to that joke
Speaker 1: and I do it and nobody laughed. You know why,
Speaker 1: because Mike Tyson's in the audience. Nigga's out here. The
Speaker 1: niggas said it was black. It was something in the
Speaker 1: back stage, Joe, Mike is here here. I said, oh Ship,
Speaker 1: And then you know, everybody was like you my frightful
Speaker 1: And then a little black a little black girl was
Speaker 1: in the front. What you're gonna do, Jamie, You're scared,
Speaker 1: You're gonna do your jokes and like this, shut up up.
Speaker 1: This is where Mike was knocking. Mom fucker's out for
Speaker 1: just smiling and Ship. So I was like damn. So
Speaker 1: then the dude, you know that said your. Mike said,
Speaker 1: do the joke and that ship better be funny. Crowd
Speaker 1: went from looking at Mike and then looked at me.
Speaker 1: So I do the joke, Mike Tyson, Kentucky Fried Chicken,
Speaker 1: whatever the joke was, right, I think I did the joke.
Speaker 1: The joke was Mike Mike Tyson driving No, it was
Speaker 1: me driving up to Kentucky Fried Chicken. And I said
Speaker 1: I couldn't see, but I heard, and I thought Michael.
Speaker 1: I thought Mike Tyson was. I was working at Kentucky
Speaker 1: Fried Chicken because I heard Hi, Chicken, take your orders
Speaker 1: and this. I was like, oh ship, so standing ovation
Speaker 1: And after that, Mike comes up to me and says, Verry,
Speaker 1: it's the crazy motherfucking just punched me in the chairs.
Speaker 1: Like I'm okay man. So I started hanging out with
Speaker 1: Mike and Bro. He was bigger than the world. He
Speaker 1: was bigger in all the My to do had a
Speaker 1: Lamborghini truck. We'll be at the club. He see a girl,
Speaker 1: his be like, hey, you like BMW, you like card,
Speaker 1: you like Bess? And I mean, like what And he
Speaker 1: would go to BMW shot just buy one. I've watched
Speaker 1: Mike his whole career. And then I watched The Good,
Speaker 1: the Great, the Bad, and the Ugly and now this Mike,
Speaker 1: And so I said, Mike, you have to let me
Speaker 1: embody you. You have to let me tell your story.
Speaker 1: And so now Martin Scorsese, who hasn't done a boxing
Speaker 1: movie since Raging Bull, has agreed to take on the helm.
Speaker 1: And when we were talking about the movie, I said,
Speaker 1: what's interesting about Mike. It's not the ring now, it's
Speaker 1: the mic that we see now. It's the mic that
Speaker 1: when he lost it all. When I called Mike one time,
Speaker 1: I said, Mike, how you doing it? And it's this
Speaker 1: voice all crases to allow my brother to attack. So
Speaker 1: why are you happy? I'm happy. I don't have any
Speaker 1: money anymore. I don't have the money. Said why do
Speaker 1: you said that? Why why does it make that? It
Speaker 1: because no one could take anything from anymore vultures. Nobody
Speaker 1: has to try and take taking from me. So I'm
Speaker 1: just happy. I said, that's the person. We gotta show,
Speaker 1: the person who lived the life. And he'll tell you
Speaker 1: I either live on top of the mountain on the
Speaker 1: bottom of the ocean. I said, when we embody that,
Speaker 1: I said that Mike when I play you, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I'm gonna embody you so well that when I walk
Speaker 1: into your house, your kids will run up and say,
Speaker 1: Dad's hard. So it's it's gonna be one of those ones.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm telling you, and it's it's and you
Speaker 1: remember the I don't want to give too much of
Speaker 1: the way, but a lot of it. We bounced back
Speaker 1: and forth to the documentary of him being in the documentary.
Speaker 1: So when I strapped that one on, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: When should we expect that in theaters if theaters come back. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: you know the thing is now, by having this lapse,
Speaker 1: it gives us a little bit of time to like
Speaker 1: correct some things we want on the script, so so
Speaker 1: we you don't be being able to touch all the basis.
Speaker 1: But you're looking at two thousand twenty one, the beginning
Speaker 1: of it, shooting it, and then possibly at the end
Speaker 1: of the year unveiling. So um, look, man, I think
Speaker 1: Mike's come on, man, that that era in that time,
Speaker 1: his unprecedented president. Let's talk a little. You touched on
Speaker 1: Ray Charles earlier, but being able to embody him the
Speaker 1: way you did, what kind of historical significance does that
Speaker 1: mean to you? Because he was so important to our
Speaker 1: culture as a whole, and for you to be able
Speaker 1: to embody that, how important was that to you? I
Speaker 1: think it was super important because we don't always get
Speaker 1: a chance to tell our legend stories, and so that
Speaker 1: was the first time we got a chance to see
Speaker 1: a legend and all of his glory, his good, he's bad,
Speaker 1: and his ugly and at the same time present the
Speaker 1: music in a way to where the whole world was affected.
Speaker 1: I mean. And the backstory of is that it was
Speaker 1: an independent film, so we had to We got a
Speaker 1: little bit of the money from Phil and Shoes who
Speaker 1: you know on the stapleson, but we had to prove
Speaker 1: to him that it was uh, it was worth it.
Speaker 1: So at one point we created the Singer Theater in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven and we did let the Good Times Roll.
Speaker 1: It wasn't in the movie, but we had to do
Speaker 1: it for the investors to let them see it. So
Speaker 1: we had a thirty piece orchestra. The investors walk in,
Speaker 1: the director says hit it, and we go boom, Hey,
Speaker 1: y'all tell everybody great Charles in town. Boom got a
Speaker 1: dot on the card up and I'm just ready of
Speaker 1: the clown. Don't let nobody playing your cheek. I got
Speaker 1: thicker bits fall and our planning a kid for let
Speaker 1: it get to our role spent bad. I'm all s
Speaker 1: s bad. Just get yourself to let the good time go.
Speaker 1: I go up to man Steve Steve. Then I go
Speaker 1: up to the to the to the investor and said,
Speaker 1: I understand the big pocket the money is, so we
Speaker 1: get so we get the money. I had to set
Speaker 1: up and then once we do the movie, man, think
Speaker 1: about how the movie moved the culture after the moa uh,
Speaker 1: Kanye West, Kanye West, after the movie Kanye West. I
Speaker 1: mean because like going back to the parties that I
Speaker 1: was thrown. The way I met Kanye was at the
Speaker 1: party Brian, Brian. That's that's why people looking at Brian
Speaker 1: dance and he just don't dance. Someone pushed it together.
Speaker 1: The motherfucker brought He brought this that same party that
Speaker 1: I was telling you about the jay z and everything.
Speaker 1: The next party, Brian says, I got this dude named
Speaker 1: Kanye West. I said, what's a Kanye West? He said, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm telling some motherfucker cole. So when Kanye came over.
Speaker 1: I said, I said, Brian, what do you do? He said,
Speaker 1: he rapped? He produced. I said, okay. So I walked
Speaker 1: up to Kanye and said, hey, man, you know when
Speaker 1: people come to my house, man, they gotta perform. Man.
Speaker 1: They said, you're wrapped. This motherfucker freestyle some ship man Steve.
Speaker 1: I said that. God damn, how come you ain't famous?
Speaker 1: He says, I'm trying to get on and he goes, uh,
Speaker 1: I got this song that that I think you'll be
Speaker 1: good on. Yuh, I think you'd be good on the song.
Speaker 1: And so well, what is it? I got a studio
Speaker 1: on the back. So we go on the back of
Speaker 1: my studio and the motherfucker said the song go. She
Speaker 1: says she wants some marvn game, some Luther vange Yaw.
Speaker 1: I said, oh, ship, I said, I got it. So
Speaker 1: I started singing. I started singing the ship all high
Speaker 1: and said he said, and this one I knew Kanye
Speaker 1: was boss. He said, uh, what you're doing? I said,
Speaker 1: when I'm trying to put the rmb ship on, because
Speaker 1: you know what I'm sing RMBC, I'm putting the R
Speaker 1: and B. Don't do that just singing this ship record.
Speaker 1: So when he said that, I thought like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: Stone ain't gonna make it. The next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: Brion was like, remember that song you said you want
Speaker 1: to make. It's a number one in the country. Fast forward,
Speaker 1: fast forward, it's number one in the country. And then
Speaker 1: Ray Charles comes out. Brian hit me again said wake
Speaker 1: your grass up, with your gass up, with your ass up.
Speaker 1: He said everything three times. He said, get down here. Uh,
Speaker 1: Kanye gotta missile. And this is after Ray Charles that
Speaker 1: came out. So I get to the studio and Brian said,
Speaker 1: just follow my leave whatever you do, follow my lady.
Speaker 1: So we're going there and Kanye is playing the track
Speaker 1: to gold Digging Thum, I ain't saying she gold digging well,
Speaker 1: but she ain't miss I said, oh ship, Brian hit
Speaker 1: stopped on the record and said that ship is whack
Speaker 1: and let you put a fox on that. Mother and said, Brian,
Speaker 1: what you doing? He said, mother, you know what I'm doing.
Speaker 1: Just get in the studio. So I get in the booth,
Speaker 1: bro and we take over the session and we keep
Speaker 1: going over and over and I said, running back, running
Speaker 1: back again, and I said, and then the next year,
Speaker 1: you know, about an hour on the hand, she take
Speaker 1: mama yea trend. Indeed, Oh she's Aliger where over black
Speaker 1: Man two Facts, two thousand and six Grammy Awards. With
Speaker 1: Grammy Awards, you get a chance to perform Georgia on
Speaker 1: My Mind with Alicia Keys. Yeah, talk to us about
Speaker 1: that at that point. Man, you know this is you know,
Speaker 1: movies have a it's like an it opens up like
Speaker 1: a flower. So that's when the flowers full bloom. Now
Speaker 1: we get a chance to uh celebrate Ray Charles music
Speaker 1: on the highest level with the incredibly talented Alicia Keys
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones at the time was was a conductor, which
Speaker 1: was beautiful. We had lost Ray Charles. Ray Charles had transitioned,
Speaker 1: but he got a chance to view the movie in
Speaker 1: his own way. And so here we are, you know,
Speaker 1: dual pianos with me and Alicia, and it was just great. Man,
Speaker 1: she's amazing, is in so super talented. And but there
Speaker 1: was one situation where I felt like the song, I
Speaker 1: felt like we were playing it, you know, straight, but
Speaker 1: I felt like we needed to put a little sauce
Speaker 1: on it because it's Alicia and it's myself. So it's
Speaker 1: like Georga Arga, the whole d Angel. It's like the
Speaker 1: old Freeze song Jorga all my mind right. And I said, Alicia,
Speaker 1: why don't we take a page from Biggie when we
Speaker 1: do the when we do the bridge boom boom boom
Speaker 1: boom boom or the read child to Ming boom boom
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom. So we put a little thing
Speaker 1: in there just to sort of not you know, to
Speaker 1: the hip hop to the to the so yeah, and
Speaker 1: then and I said that when we're doing it, boom
Speaker 1: boom boom boom boom. And I told the baseline to
Speaker 1: go do the do Doom Do Do Do Do Do
Speaker 1: Do doom boom boom boom boom boom. So to be
Speaker 1: able to not only be in that moment, but do
Speaker 1: something a little special to to not two people out
Speaker 1: there who's you know, the fans. Uh, It was dope, Man,
Speaker 1: we gotta stand in ovation And it was just another
Speaker 1: one of those things that you can hang up in
Speaker 1: the in the in the raptors and man, another moment
Speaker 1: beautiful following Ray Charles, that was such a big role.
Speaker 1: Were you picking your next projects carefully? Like? What what
Speaker 1: changed after Ray Charles? It was crazy. Man like Rachel
Speaker 1: is such a big film and the Oscar and everything
Speaker 1: like that. I had to let it. I had to
Speaker 1: let the Oscar go because because my people was like, oh,
Speaker 1: we only need to do Oscar things. That's no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. I want to go back to the
Speaker 1: to the funny. I want to stay funny. Matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I didn't even keep the Oscar with me because the
Speaker 1: Oscar had some kind of crazy power with it. Bro,
Speaker 1: I can't explain it. You touched that ship and you
Speaker 1: start speaking in an English accent and ship you know
Speaker 1: when I stopped it. Action it's small. I start take
Speaker 1: the ship. So you see people to win them oscars
Speaker 1: and ship. That's a curse, bro, I said, I don't
Speaker 1: want that. I want to tell these jokes. I went
Speaker 1: on the comedy too. After that, I was at Madison
Speaker 1: Square Garden and at that time there was rumors that
Speaker 1: me and Oprah were in some type of relationship, which
Speaker 1: was funny. So I went on stage. I said, I'm
Speaker 1: dating everybody. Man, but but but but we were cool,
Speaker 1: and I did the joke. I said, they said I'm
Speaker 1: dating everybody, and so I said, so I'm laying in
Speaker 1: the bed with Oprah, I'll lean over the gale and said, hey, man,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, right they step to give me some
Speaker 1: juice right standing ovation And I said, if I think
Speaker 1: the joke was, if I wasn't making love to open,
Speaker 1: she'd have a brand new episode of her of her
Speaker 1: favorite things. And I did the whole thing. Jamie, we
Speaker 1: got something, Jamie ly Jeu two thousand twelve. Uh, Jango,
Speaker 1: How did that come about? Yo? Two thousand twelve. I
Speaker 1: had changed management and uh, literally like I heard about django?
Speaker 1: Man through I heard about Jango from uh Tyler Perry,
Speaker 1: m H. Saler. Perry was like, have you heard have
Speaker 1: you heard about this Django? This Django movie says yes
Speaker 1: with um with um Quentin Tarantino. I said, oh, that
Speaker 1: sh sound crazy. So he was. He was talking about
Speaker 1: it and then Will Smith and I was like, man, oh,
Speaker 1: will you gotta do that ship? I said, motherfucker. He
Speaker 1: was like, well, he didn't know if he wanted to
Speaker 1: play a slave. I said, yea, yeah, you're not a slave.
Speaker 1: He wrote though, but you know, so he passed and then, uh,
Speaker 1: I've seen the motherfucker interest at Interest album. I was
Speaker 1: at the show. I was doing the show. He came
Speaker 1: back and said, yeah, you heard this ship smoovie smoothe
Speaker 1: Janka until intein know what's you George movie? Quentin Tarantino
Speaker 1: shopping up Jane Games. I was like, Yo, yo, good
Speaker 1: looking black motherfucking ass. Better do that ship man. You know,
Speaker 1: just what was that? What was that was that? To
Speaker 1: his smooth league the un school game? You know what
Speaker 1: do you think? I said, man, Yo, look at motherfucking ass.
Speaker 1: You gotta do that ship man. But for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: they all passed. And then I got a chance to
Speaker 1: come in and meet Quentin Tarantino. And the thing was
Speaker 1: is that you know, he never saw rain, you know,
Speaker 1: so the way the way he saw Ray was that
Speaker 1: he was looking for wardrobe lady and the wardrob lady
Speaker 1: didn't race, so he watched it. Had me come in,
Speaker 1: and I was already off script. I was already off
Speaker 1: book again, being prepared man, being that sophomore in football,
Speaker 1: being ready and uh. And I told him I know
Speaker 1: about the word nigger and all that to stand what
Speaker 1: that was back then, and it's necessary to tell the
Speaker 1: story so they don't bother. I understand that. And then
Speaker 1: I told him, I said, well, here's the thing though, Dog,
Speaker 1: I got my own horse. And he said, shot your
Speaker 1: own fucking horse. I said, I got my own horse.
Speaker 1: What the fuck? I said, yeah, it's outside, bro, and
Speaker 1: I said, not only that, but your stuck horse looked
Speaker 1: just like my horse. We just gotta paint the feet,
Speaker 1: just paint the paint the shoes white and we're good.
Speaker 1: And so he was like, I've never in my entire
Speaker 1: fucking life heard that somebody bringing the horse. I said,
Speaker 1: I got my horse right uside, Bro, let's know what
Speaker 1: we're doing. And boom. I got on the movie, bro,
Speaker 1: that you know, and then we got into the movie. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was volatile, but it was
Speaker 1: a movie that for black and white folks. But it
Speaker 1: was the first time you saw a black character really
Speaker 1: be the hero. And was all Quentin Tarantino. He really
Speaker 1: wanted that to happen. When Django came out, man, you know,
Speaker 1: it was gang Busses and it was like, you know
Speaker 1: it uh, you know, it moved the culture in a
Speaker 1: different way. Yea. And people didn't understand the history of Django.
Speaker 1: There have been jangos made years back. Django was a
Speaker 1: character from Italy from the Spaghetti Westerns. That's how you
Speaker 1: got Clint Eastwood. So when I did that, that version broke.
Speaker 1: When I go to Italy or in any of these places,
Speaker 1: I can't even walk the street because that was you know,
Speaker 1: that was like a superhero. Yeah. So so it all
Speaker 1: worked out. That's beautiful. What was it like working with
Speaker 1: Leo to me, one of the most underrated actors of
Speaker 1: our generation, What was it like being able to team
Speaker 1: up with him on that? First of all, that that's
Speaker 1: the homy man. A lot of people don't know, like
Speaker 1: Leo is like a real, real dude, and you know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to. I don't. I don't validate nobody
Speaker 1: just because they entered the culture. But like Leo stood
Speaker 1: in line for the big album back in the day,
Speaker 1: his best friend is you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that's why. That's why in Wolf of Wall Street
Speaker 1: when he popped, like, that's really him, that motherfucker, Like
Speaker 1: he really on the ship. The motherfucker he does his
Speaker 1: things if oh man all the way, and the cold
Speaker 1: part about it was, you know, he knows the whole
Speaker 1: all the scenario. Here we go, Yo, one day, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get that motherfucker to do that ship. But he's
Speaker 1: a real dude. And when he came on to the
Speaker 1: set when we first did the readthrough, he had problems
Speaker 1: with the word niggado because he was saying and he said, oh, pala,
Speaker 1: I can't I can't say this. I just can't do it,
Speaker 1: and then sent Meel Jackson goes, hey, motherfucker, it's just
Speaker 1: another Tuesday. I said that ship, I said, I don't like.
Speaker 1: So he had to really wrap hisself into that character.
Speaker 1: And at one point I said, I put him to
Speaker 1: the sec that Leo, listen, I ain't your friend right now.
Speaker 1: We're back in the day, and who was back in
Speaker 1: the day. They would they would kill you hanging out
Speaker 1: with me talking to me face and face. So you
Speaker 1: gotta let that ship go. Man. The next day, that
Speaker 1: motherfucker came into the set and I said, what's up, Leo, Yo,
Speaker 1: what's up? What's up? Then speak to me when they
Speaker 1: say action. Motherfucker went in his bag and that's one
Speaker 1: of the cars. That's one of the coldest performances. You
Speaker 1: take the performance out and and he talks about the performance.
Speaker 1: I won't I won't say some of the private stuff
Speaker 1: that he talked about. I won't say who it is,
Speaker 1: but there was this black guy when he grew up
Speaker 1: he used to hang out with and so he mimicked
Speaker 1: that character for for for that movie. Man so powerful,
Speaker 1: motherfucker man when he came on to the when him
Speaker 1: and Samuel finally came on to the set, Man the
Speaker 1: motherfucker's walking and slow motion with their baits and ship man,
Speaker 1: real Hollywood stars, all stars, imagine an all star Samuel Leo.
Speaker 1: I mean, the motherfucker was going at it. So that's
Speaker 1: why that movie did what it did. Beautiful thing. Speak
Speaker 1: us a little bit about how important social justice and
Speaker 1: uh equality is to you in your life and and
Speaker 1: you know the the role you played and bringing more
Speaker 1: attention on the Traylon Martin situation. Well, I mean, look, man,
Speaker 1: the one thing about social media what it has done
Speaker 1: is pulled up the carpet. It lets us see something
Speaker 1: that we've been something that we've known about for a
Speaker 1: long time, the underground, the sincerity and the racism. Um.
Speaker 1: Now it's wide open. Even if you look at today's world,
Speaker 1: what's going on right now? What happened to I think
Speaker 1: the mayor of Georgia just posted something that was you know,
Speaker 1: these Uh, these terrible, terrible words that someone DM I live.
Speaker 1: I live out here and in Georgia, and h they's
Speaker 1: somebody somebody called us some names and she posted it
Speaker 1: to put them on blast, but to let you know
Speaker 1: that you know, that ain't gonna stop up from what
Speaker 1: she's trying to do. Yeah, and so so now, like
Speaker 1: I said, we've known about this for all our lives.
Speaker 1: Now we're dealing with the face and face. So doing
Speaker 1: movies like Just Mercy with Michael B. Jordan's, man, man,
Speaker 1: it's so important. It's so important because thanks man, thank you.
Speaker 1: And it's so important because you know, Michael B. Jordan's
Speaker 1: what he's doing for the for the culture. Man, Like
Speaker 1: when he did uh, you know, when did Fruitville Station,
Speaker 1: you know, like he started laying that narrative down, and
Speaker 1: even when he did Black Panther, he still had a
Speaker 1: narrative for us that was, you know, highlighting us important
Speaker 1: for us. So Just Mercy is just the evolution of that,
Speaker 1: you know, doing a movie to where we put the
Speaker 1: spotlight on a person who's wrongly accused of a rape
Speaker 1: and put on death row without a trial. And when
Speaker 1: we got into these roles, man, we knew we were
Speaker 1: doing something special and important and because it sits home
Speaker 1: with me. Man, you know my pops, he was a
Speaker 1: coach at Lincoln High School. Man, they put my pops
Speaker 1: in jail for twenty five dollars worth of the legal substance.
Speaker 1: They put him in jail for seven years. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: this dude was an educated for twenty five years in
Speaker 1: the hood. He would have kids at the school seven
Speaker 1: days a week just so they wouldn't get shot or
Speaker 1: or give him something to eat. So here they take
Speaker 1: this man who would bring the judge to the school,
Speaker 1: who would talk to the kids. You know that very
Speaker 1: judge presided over his case. Put him in jail with
Speaker 1: some of the kids that you feel what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: see is is it personal? And the thing is is
Speaker 1: that I don't go visit nobody in jail. Bro, I
Speaker 1: don't do that. I can't. I can't. And even when
Speaker 1: my pops, I said, I told him, I can't see
Speaker 1: you like them and I see you as a king,
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't see you like that. So I
Speaker 1: wrote in one letter, I said, when you get out,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save your life. And I fought. I fought
Speaker 1: the people, I fought in people for years, and you
Speaker 1: know they didn't understand that my pops Man was so
Speaker 1: important to me. He will. He made me round it
Speaker 1: like he showed me how to play tennis. I said,
Speaker 1: why A were learning? Why A were learning what white
Speaker 1: people do? He said, because I want you to be
Speaker 1: able to go everywhere. So imagine me playing tennis with
Speaker 1: my pops Man. You know in text I couldn't play
Speaker 1: at the country club, but he was getting it in.
Speaker 1: So when you get out, man, this is two thousand one.
Speaker 1: He get out, I said, listen, I'm gonna save your life.
Speaker 1: You come live with me. He right over there, right now.
Speaker 1: We've been here for almost twenty years. Twenty years now
Speaker 1: together man, so and and and so. It's it's important
Speaker 1: that we keep that narrative, that we don't get exhausted.
Speaker 1: That's what's great about Brian Stevenson, the the the lawyer
Speaker 1: that Michael B. Jordan played. He doesn't get exhausted. He
Speaker 1: keeps ringing the bell saying we have injustices and injustice
Speaker 1: we're always rearest ugly head. And the most inopportune time
Speaker 1: to look at it now with with we're dealing with
Speaker 1: COVID and who's going to be the one who are
Speaker 1: going to suffer the worst? We are because of the injustice,
Speaker 1: because of the way we're structured in in society. We
Speaker 1: don't have the health care. We don't even when it
Speaker 1: comes to the money that they're giving out right now,
Speaker 1: what a black business is gonna do when you see
Speaker 1: everybody else sort of prospering to get money, how do
Speaker 1: they get the money? So it's it's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of things that we touch on just by doing the movie,
Speaker 1: and we just have to keep it. We have to
Speaker 1: keep it going. Our art is our way to crack
Speaker 1: that code, is our way to open people's eyes. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, like we'll continue to do that.
Speaker 1: Continuing to be great is the only way. Because we move,
Speaker 1: we set culture, we move culture, we shift culture. We
Speaker 1: are culture. So that's the only And I and I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Matt, Like sometimes I've heard you speak, man,
Speaker 1: I heard you speak about a situation. I wanted to
Speaker 1: go into it now, but I heard you speak about
Speaker 1: a situation and where you said, no, we don't have
Speaker 1: to live like that no more. We have our own voices.
Speaker 1: And I thought, what you and Stephen do, man, Like
Speaker 1: I don't even think y'all know, but it means so
Speaker 1: much because you keep it real. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: there's a level of intelligence and a level of I'm
Speaker 1: black and I'm proud to it. That that that makes
Speaker 1: us feel good about it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: A lot of special What act our filmmaker should we
Speaker 1: have on our show? Now, listen before you answer this question,
Speaker 1: whoever you say, whoever the answer is, and you have
Speaker 1: that connect which I'm sure you do. You got to
Speaker 1: connect them. You know everybody? Yeah, you know everybody? So
Speaker 1: who do you think should be a guest on our show?
Speaker 1: You should have? Leo Man? Yeah, that there was a
Speaker 1: Black Honors and he came out and gave me the award.
Speaker 1: Man and I explained them to Leo. I said, Leo,
Speaker 1: it's not that we're looking for validation, but when people
Speaker 1: like yourself lend yourself, give your energy to us and said,
Speaker 1: he's sports, said you gotta have him because he's sports. Said,
Speaker 1: I guarantee you I'll work on him. Man, But he's
Speaker 1: a he's a he's a dope. Mother. That's the same
Speaker 1: way we feel about show. Bro. You don't know what
Speaker 1: you're doing for our show. So hell yeah, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate what we appreciate it. Man, Hell yeah, good call Jack,
Speaker 1: who's an actor actress you haven't worked with yet that
Speaker 1: you would like to m I want to work with
Speaker 1: I want to work to D. Man. Like like back
Speaker 1: to the party, I thought a party here, different kind
Speaker 1: of party where I had we featured. D D came
Speaker 1: to the party, he said, at the table, and he
Speaker 1: just uh, he just broke it down like all the
Speaker 1: actors and actress was in here and he was just
Speaker 1: giving us the keys you know to you know, uh
Speaker 1: to how to you know, make ship right? You know
Speaker 1: in the business, you know, you know, you know how
Speaker 1: you talk. You know, of course you gotta do anything,
Speaker 1: you know, but boom, get that ship. But he was
Speaker 1: breaking it down so incredible for us. I said, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta work with him because I know when you
Speaker 1: work with him, you're gonna elevate. All right, Okay, alright, okay, okay, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because we had a we had a carry, we had
Speaker 1: a U Mariachi band for him, he said. I said,
Speaker 1: you know you've got a Mariachi ban for you. You
Speaker 1: got a Maria alright, okay, got you. You got a
Speaker 1: Mariachi all right, Uh okay, Hey, what's your favorite uh
Speaker 1: what's your favorite TV series? Recent? Serious of all time? Samford?
Speaker 1: This Sun man, I'm watching that. I watched that every day.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I watched that ship, bro, like I was
Speaker 1: watching that ship that when the motherfucker's the TV got
Speaker 1: stolen and ship just just classic, man, that's my great
Speaker 1: you mentioned early on in the nineties, everyone was around.
Speaker 1: You were around everyone. Any cool, biggier pop stories, man, ship.
Speaker 1: Tupacis just to be out. I remember one time he
Speaker 1: was at the comedy store. I was looking at Pop
Speaker 1: but we didn't we didn't look at him like Tupac.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, and somebody pulled a gun out, nigger.
Speaker 1: Somebody pulled a gun out the comedy store and shot
Speaker 1: that motherfucker. He was like ah, and so just running
Speaker 1: down the street with Tupac, I mean back by this.
Speaker 1: It was crazy. And then you know, we would see
Speaker 1: him mountain and I remember that night, the night the
Speaker 1: night he passed away. I remember him like it was
Speaker 1: so crazy, man, like in the argument with these guys
Speaker 1: and he was like pop, man, man, it ain't worth,
Speaker 1: it ain't worth or whatever. And I was living in
Speaker 1: Vegas at the time, and then that night, man, you know, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: the whole world stopped man, and I remember walking into
Speaker 1: the I remember walking into the MGM Graham and mc
Speaker 1: hammer walked up to him and said, man, he gone,
Speaker 1: this was early. He was like, stop man, cut the
Speaker 1: bush and we just see him. So unfortunately, um, you
Speaker 1: know that story, but just to be able to know too, funk.
Speaker 1: I remember. I remember how he was so nice to
Speaker 1: my mom. Like we were at the standing called the
Speaker 1: Urban League, right, you know, some guys was tripping at him,
Speaker 1: and he was like, but he turned around and saw
Speaker 1: my mom was so gracious man, and he was like,
Speaker 1: how you doing, sweetheart? You know that's so mannerable and
Speaker 1: so cool. So I don't know, man, it's it's surreal
Speaker 1: that he's gone, uh and things like that, but those
Speaker 1: those just be the homie. Then he came and didn't
Speaker 1: a living color. He came and didn't living color, and
Speaker 1: when he came in, it was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: you didn't realize that these were gonna be moments that
Speaker 1: would last forever in time, to be very significant because
Speaker 1: he wouldn't be here. But this happy, go lucky fun
Speaker 1: and just uh just so sad, but at the same
Speaker 1: time beautiful to be able to have those moments. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite sports moment? Uh, Lebron James coming back three one,
Speaker 1: that's big. That was big. That was that was big.
Speaker 1: That moment. If you can sit courtside at any game
Speaker 1: in NBA history, what game would it be? Oh, it
Speaker 1: would be uh damn, it would be eighty Uh When
Speaker 1: when was Magic Johnson? Huhm when he hit the hook?
Speaker 1: Eighty seven? Yeah, eighty seven got him mighty beautiful. You
Speaker 1: want to talk about beauty, poetry, emotion. Never, I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that. And what's crazy was I was in college
Speaker 1: and me in my roommate. You know, he was white
Speaker 1: from like normal from Oklahoma, and you know we weren't tripping,
Speaker 1: you know, we weren't tripping on the on the on
Speaker 1: the teams because you know, I was a Maverick fan.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, we just automatically started routing.
Speaker 1: I said, he said, come on, come on. I was like,
Speaker 1: come on, come on, Magic. Next thing, you know, we
Speaker 1: got on Lakeer, Jersey whatever. And just just to see
Speaker 1: that see that ship play out like that, Bro, that's
Speaker 1: just amazing. I was course out that history um, your
Speaker 1: favorite impersonation? Yeah, your favorite impersonation? Give us that character
Speaker 1: real quick. Who's your favorite person to celebrities? Favorite celebrity
Speaker 1: to to mimic? Uh? Ship, there's so many like I
Speaker 1: know you do damn to everybody. It's got to be
Speaker 1: my text right now. All right, So we had the
Speaker 1: Beggest segment, right this is a part of the segment.
Speaker 1: This is part of the segment. Well, you know, we
Speaker 1: all we all fans of all the all our guests
Speaker 1: and some things we want to ask for. So this
Speaker 1: is my Matt. Are you involved today, Matt? No, I
Speaker 1: just want to be on set alright. Cool. So bound
Speaker 1: Matt is helping me launch my my my acting career
Speaker 1: because he's gonna be behind the camera, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm say, doing a lot of stuff. So so not
Speaker 1: only do I want to be on set one of
Speaker 1: your movies and kind of learn from you and kind
Speaker 1: of see how you move around and how you do
Speaker 1: how you get into character, but I also if you
Speaker 1: have something going on, let your boy get a camera
Speaker 1: or something. Got it, I got it already down that Listen.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hold this other down, Jack, Listen, this is
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do Jack, I got a new TV
Speaker 1: show on Netflix. It's called Dad Stop Embarrassing, and it's
Speaker 1: about me and it's about me and my oldest daughter
Speaker 1: all the ship that we don't win through from the boys,
Speaker 1: to the to the to the to the drinks, to everything.
Speaker 1: So we just sold it. We shot just before we went. Now, Bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta come on all the way. I'm serious, Jack,
Speaker 1: I'm serious that I'm coming on. Man. We gotta make
Speaker 1: this man that should be good fresh Matt. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get some Bro. We got listen and we gotta put
Speaker 1: it in the script of where you have to say
Speaker 1: that team when you are you're nervous. I love the
Speaker 1: fresh fresh with good Hey man, Well Jamie, thank you
Speaker 1: for your time. Man, We really thank you. Thank you guys. Man,
Speaker 1: you guys keep you. Thank you man, Hey, that's you
Speaker 1: uh man, amazing episode thought, brother Jamie. You can cast
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